107: Neon Genesis Evangelion w/ Raven Sullivan

Weird things happened in the Beady Weird Weird Weird. Wow. Welcome to bled Ssetto. This is gonna be an amazingly deep dive, epic esoteric anime episode. We're gonna talk about Neon Genesis, Evan Gleen, Evan Gillian. We're gonna get into that later, but we're gonna talk about our friend Raven. Hello, Ravens here, I'm here. Thank you for having me. Evan Glean, Evan a tongue. Yeah, we uh, we brought our best little buddy, Raven here. Wait, we've talked about him, so he's

like our house cat. He's like we've talked about him so many times on the show. This is my birthday. Twin we were more wet, literally literally gotta let the We're about to let the world. We can't say, are are so security? No, no, no, no, I'm just saying the thing we always say to everybody. They gotta know now, Okay, okay, yeah, I feel like I'm talking too loud. Now, No, you're not. We got the same birthday, y'all. It's true. Is like the same day, same year, a couple hours apart,

same year, same hospital. So we were older already really like you never guess that your social Security numbers one off, one apart, it's wow, digit apart. Yeah, yeah, y'all figure that one out yourselves. So they're more in a couple of hours apart the same hospital. Like, okay, it makes sense. So how old were you and I when we met? We were in mister, I think I was like a freshman in high school. But yeah, so I was. I don't know, I can't

like that. Wait question. Did we meet in computer class or yeah? Oh right, yeah, it was like you were listening to kill Switch engage or something like, well you like kill switching, yeah, which is literally how me and Ryan became people together. It was probably I don't know if it was killed Switch, was it was metal music, but I'm like it was probably because that was like that was the hot band that we were like

what fourteen fifteen something like that. Yeah, So we had computer class together, and then I think the next year or maybe the next like semester or something when the class has change, we had a math class together. It was pre algebra with a mister Constant, Mr Constantine. Yeah, yet might have to bleep that, but maybe mister mister boy man mister mister boy. He was great. He was great. Well, he didn't like me,

really, I loved him. Bro well, like Nick helped me cheat on a lot of tests redacted, but I did definitely help him, which is which is hilarious because math was my worst. Yeah. I don't know why. I was like, this guy's gonna help me. My faith in you. So it was that class. Oh yeah, always crim say we was farming nukes on Modern Warfare two. Yeah, we did a lot of delinquent stuff. But it wasn't until that class that we had the realization we have

the same birthday. Like one of us was like, oh, my birthday, I don't even remember. My birthday is the summer? Yeah I do, yes, literally it was it was your birthday fifteenth, Like, oh what? And then we found out it was the exact same day. And then we found out it was the same hospital. And it's like the wildest synchronicity. So we we were the wonder twins as well. We always have like joint birthday parties and like and everything, so yeah, this is my

this is my wonder twin. But Ryan, I think you've raven longer, yes, a little bit. Yeah, So when I was in ninth grade and tenth grade. I was in the the RTC. You know, right, I forgot about he was in college juty school. Yeah, I was in college duties Campo camp junior college dude. But to ninth grade. I actually your sister is my age. She's in this. Yeah, you guys had like the same like we moved here. The shout out Victor, her

husband Victory, and Chastie was in many of my classes. Yeah, yeah, like several of them, and we just had all I met you first, she brought you. You came to my place to like help with them. Not quite not quiet. I can tell you get that. I'm gonna tell you. He always he always forgets how he met because he was younger, he was in middle school. He just blanked it out of his brain. But so Chastie was in my classes. We got to be really good

friends, and you know that whole story. But they don't know where I was at lunch. Chastity freshman year and I was still new to Grace Creek. I'd only been there since the seventh grade and didn't really have any good friends other than like Nick on the bus and some like Alex Alex Hodge was just a few people, and uh, ninth grade, you know, I started meeting all these new people and Chas was just super sweet, super super

nice. She's she's just like she's a lot like my sister and her very like calm mannerisms, you know, like very gentle approach, and she's just super nice to me. And I was this awkward kid, and she was like, what's your name? And I said Melvin. She tells me mel since the ninth grade. Why did you say Melville? I don't know. I was just a shy kid, and I thought it'd be funny. I was trolling her and and I literally was like, no, no, no, I'm just playing and she's like, no, no, you're Melvin.

And to this day, almost thirty years old, you know, every time we crossed paths, she still calls me mel literally, yeah, every single time. And for a while Raven did so. Anyway, so the next year, because how you introduced yourself to me? Yes, oh you did, I did? Yeah, I did. It stuck with okay, it's stuck with Chastity in our little friend group in the ninth grade. And actually

that year, so I was in RTC. I went to the middle school to do like a mentorship program from the eighth grade, y'all were taking, like, are you actually are you a grade below? Nick? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Oh that's why I always thought you were younger. So I went to you were in the seventh grade. Held back makes a lot of sense. But a little goblin in elementary school, dude, it makes a lot of sense. Well, no, seriously, I

always thought you were younger because you were a grade below. I didn't know you were born the same year. That's why I was looking. No, no, no, no, it's like, yeah, I got held back in the first grade for being a little goblin bullish, but I've got I'm the family dog. I'm not gonna say who they are, and you know who they are. I have friends that are twins, and one of them got held back in the first grade, so the mom held the other one

back. Oh it's hilarious, y'all know. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so ninth grade, I went to middle school and I was coincidentally assigned to your table to like moderate y'all's little EOG studies. I thought you were helping me with math. I feel like it was something like that was his mentor. Yeah, dude, are you kidding me? Yeah, No, I'm not kidding. Yeah. I remember coming. I was looking like I was cool, you know, was pretty cool. It was really like an RTC

field trip thing, like for that class period. We got in school bus. What did you say? You have my headphones on so I can't hear You're good? Yeah, So we went to the middle school and I literally hung out with Raven for like an hour and a half, and I just thought, like, this kid is funny as fuck, honestly, even back then. And then it was the next year, in the tenth grade, Chastity and I were in English together and I was coming over to your house

for a while to do projects, and that's yeah. And then it just spiraled and we've all just had this crazy friend group ever since. Homies. For a minute, I cannot believe that you were his tour dude. We didn't even talk about how. Also, the three of us rode the same bus by the time we were all in high school, right, yeah,

remember, Yeah, I always forget about that. It's because like most of the time it was like Nathan and I put it like torturing this one kid because we were like bullies and said, yo, he was at the table, and I honestly felt bad for that kid. Now, no, but I mean this kid was like, I'm a vampire, so he kind of deserved it. But poor kid man, he was he's doing good. I mean, I don't want to he was saying he was a wizard. He was saying, you know, I said I was a vampire. That's what

it was. He definitely wasn't all there. I felt hard for the kid. Yeah, I realized, now I'm gonna get canceled for this. I'm having a hard time moving past the Melvin thing. Oh dude, this is no bs. Like to this day, every time I see Chastity around Ryan, it's may see each other and she says, hey, melt every single time. I don't know if I've ever like seen her call you Ryan, welcome to TYL said so a few times. A few times she's ever called that. Yeah, So that's that's it. It was like it was it

was definitely fate. I mean it was like, you know, coincidentally being assigned to your group out of the thirty other groups of kids that day and then riding the bus and y'all having the birthday. I mean, it was obviously meant to be that we would all be. I don't know, it doesn't like technically count that I know Nick longer because we were probably like right next to each other and those little baby and better true, that's like Cagaron

brolly. I mean honestly that that we were probably in the same room neighbors, probably honestly and were roommates, like y'all might have switched, Alex, y'all might have been switched. I say, we say that all the time. You say that all like it was just like joke around, be like, hey, how are you doing? Raven? Yeah, yeah, Warren shout out Warren show. Every single every year without fail, on our birthday, he goes on Raven's Facebook and says happy birthday, Nick, and he

goes on my Facebook. It says happy birthday Raven. That's funny man. Every year man. Yeah. Okay, So before we get into Evan Gilly and we'll move into that, but I did want to ask you, like, how did you first hear about like all the phenomenon stuff, because we

never talked about it, you know. I like, I don't know if like that memory is just like out of my brain, but I have like this inkling of a feeling that I think Nick just told me one day, like You're like, you're about Ryan's dad, right, I'm like, no, what happened? And then it's just like hook hooked me in man. Yeah, it's like, Okay, that's insane. You know that's cool. I feel like I do remember it being like that. I think after Jeremy

dropped the bomb on me that one time. It's just like something you just yet you gotta just like you gotta tell someone else exactly, yeah, exactly. No. I mean we never talked about it. You know. I told some friends about that, like recently. I was like, oh, so, yeah, shout out Elissa, Trevor and Martona Els tell me coming on here. You know, that's a nice nice you told them about it, yea. And I told it like Trevor was like, I told him about your dad. I was like, yeah, I just look up Chris

Bledsoe on like Google. He's like immediately pulled out his post. That's funny. It's funny, man, because you've been in my house like one hundred and fifty times. But we purposefully hid this from people that came to a house like in the dark about it until after, like that one time I got to talk to your dad about it. I was a cool conversation. But you know when was that. I don't even remember that at their house. Yeah, I was just at their house. I was like, so

like like what are they you know? I was like just asking all just told me, man, it's pretty cool. That's sick. So and then the other question I wanted to ask you before we get into Evan Gillian, which is gonna be so deep, dude that I'm still processing that. We watched the fourth movie last night and I'm like, what the fuck I thought there was monsters in the world for fifty seconds like that. I don't have to go to work tomorrow, but seriously, so, I know that recently

you've seen a few orbs. I just was wondering if you'd be willing to share. Like it's just like just be like, you know, driving home from worker, just like stepping outside, you know, from work, needing a break. I'd see something like orange and glowing kind of just like hovering around in the background. As soon as I like pull out my phone to like take a picture, it's gone. And then there's this one time my cat Pedro shout out, Pedro eighteen years, you know, he's going good.

But yeah, he got out one time and he was missing for like a week, and like, weirdly enough, one night Ryan just called me to check up on me and see how I was doing. I was like, man, I'm doing good. I'm like, you know, no luck. But like my sister had been sitting on the back porch waiting, you

know, to see if he would just come home or something. And like we're talking and then I just see another one like kind of up at like almost like like a little bit above the buildings of our apartments, you know, and I'm just like look, and she's like what is that? Like that's an orb. I don't know what to tell you, but like, dude, it's real, right. Wasn't there also a thing where she was like wondering if it was a satellite? And then it did? Yeah?

Yeah. She was like is that like a Like She's like, there's gonna be like a satellite or a plan. I was like, I don't think so disappeared, Like yeah, it's like that's how they work, bro.

Yeah. She was just like like in shock after that, you know, still brings it up every now and then when we're talking have you contemplated the fact that that was a conscious entity that was aware of you and exactly when you would see it at that moment with your sister, If you process that, well, you know it's because it's crazy, because it felt like it was like I took it as like a good omen and like three hours later,

like midnight, I was just walking around my apartment complex with a flashlight and I found him in a storm draining page cat. Yeah yeah, yeah, So like he had been looking for Pedro for like a week, like literally, and then the night he sees an ORB. A couple of hours later, we found him. Come on this, dude, and Nathan shout out, Nathan ye shout out, crawled into a sewer duct and like I would cover him out in mud and probably bodily fluids and who knows what else.

Yeah, it was I gotta get my boy out, though, you know, he was like he was scared. He dude, he was scared. Yeah, but we found hours after seeing an ORB. Yeah, hours, Come on, dude, that's crazy. That's no coincidence, Absolutely no

coinesce. I'm excited to get into Evan Gillian now because I wasn't really saying this last night while we were watching the movie because I wanted to save it for the episode, but a lot of a lot of the themes and and some of the like morals of the movie really resonated with me about like the conditions to see the phenomenon, Oh in what? In what way? Like well, well, maybe, I mean we we do probably need to like lay down a base of a preface. I'll answer your question and then we'll

we'll start a basic preference, preference whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's that dyslexic brain sometimes if you know. But it was just like, you know, just just to give a little tease, it was it was the whole in the fourth movie, it was about the AVA Unit one and the AVA Unit thirteen, but it was like showing the symbology behind the number one and

the number thirteen, hope and despair. The moral of the story as like he had witnessed such profound trauma that on the other side of the trauma he was awakened enough to understand compassion, and like that's that's the thing with the phenomenon, Like, you know, thousands of people have reached out to us, and every one of them that see things usually are traumatized. Yeah, and it's like it's it's like sometimes the soul comes here, is weird?

Is is going to sound out of context that trauma happens for the specific reason of like awakening us, and the movie was just reminding me of that. No, I feel that there's a lot of things about Evan Gelian as like a story that have a lot of parallels with the phenomenon for sure, and that's like one that's one of the coolest things about it. So uh okay. To preface, Raven, I think you are you were pretty instrumental in like getting me like really into anime. Yeah, you know what I mean,

like really into it. Like when I was a kid, I watched a couple things like I watched like Dragon Ball Z and yeah, I was shown in basics exactly Pokemon. Yes, yes, Pokemon. I had. I had been watching Naruto a couple of years. And then I meet Raven when we're like fourteen, and Raven is what you what word would you describe? Would you say? We aboo? Would you say? I think that's

kind of like what a cultured nerd. Cultured nerd I like to me, we aboo is like a negative you know, but he's not a negative version though it can be. But some people like wear it as a beast. I use it as an insult to other Yes, that's yeah. I think more like more like anoisseur. That's you're you're a connoisseur of really like most things, like Japanese culture, like you're just into it like that. So so he showed he started showing me like some really left field stuff, some

some wild stuff. I mean, you showed me Evan Evan Gallian pretty early on. Yeah, but like so we're talking about this show. It's called Neon Genesis. Evan Gillian's from the nineties. Yes, from the nineties. This is one of one of the most popular like nineties robot giant robot anime. Yeah, yeah, and it's one of you in my it's like probably Gundam was popular for what Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's hard as Gunda but like Adam's got the whole market of like action figures.

But that's what that anime was made to do, was sell action figures. It's like Transformers. It's like the Japanese like equivalent Gobots. But you know, oh yeah, there's no semantics for this. Yeah, but yeah, that's one of your faces. Yeah yeah, it's like probably number two on my list or two number ones fully Coli. Yeah, that one shocked me because I thought you would say Naruto, I don't know, drawn four. I guess number four. Yeah, we'll say three. One piece took that

place. Yeah yeah, yeah man. But yeah, over the base that I want to lay down for this show, because this is the way reserve. Oh yeah, that's in top five. That's more for the manga though, but like you know, are great. I like the movies. So Evangelian is a very complex show. It's very dark, it's very deep. But most of all, and the reason that we're so interested in it to talk about it today is it is deeply, deeply a cult and spiritual and

it's all about consciousness. So it's funny because like the base of the show that the guys is that it's like this like giant robot anime yep, it's like aliens are attacking Earth called angels, and it's like, oh, let me get my fourteen year old son to pilot this giant robot. Yeah yeah, literally, oh cool, yeah yeah. At the beginning of evan Gelian, it seems pretty it doesn't seem that complex. It seems pretty simple.

They're like, Okay, the Earth's being attacked by a giant alien. They're calling it an angel, and for some reason they need these fourteen year old kids to pilot these giant mechs and fight the angels. That's like the basic right, yeah, you kind of. Oh and by the way, uh, the whole time, even from the jump, like the very beginning of Evan Gelian, it is dripping with religious occult symbolism. Yes, dripping. Oh okay, So the facility, the name of the facility that makes these

giant robots that fights these angels is called Nerve. What's the slogan. Slogan is God's in his heaven. All's right with the world. God's in his So from jump, they're giving you some nuggets of like they're talking about God. Well, dude, like one of they're kind of like trying to be like let mankind take the wheel kind of thing, you know. Yes, And the very first scene when Misato picks up Shinji in the blue car to

take him to Nerve, the license plate was three three three. That everything everything throughout the whole movies, the license plates, the buildings, in the back. The signs on the train, it's all thirty three three one one three one one three because you know, the movies are angel numbers. Yeah, constant thirty three's dude. Yeah. So I mean like quite quite literally from top to bottom, it's dripping with occult stuff. Even the titles of

the movies are angel numbers. Literally, like the first movie is called Evan Gellian one point one one you Cannot and two point two two yeah, three point three three you know you are Not Alone? Saw something like that. Yeah, they have weird titles, but they're all angel numbers. Yeah, so like literally before crazy actually they're first they're originally like one point oh two point oh and then they made like an extended version that's where you get the

one point one one two scenes. Yeah yeah, they're angel numbers way, yeah, that's what they made it. Like, so even before you turn the movie on, you're like angel numbers, like and then you see them boom, they're fighting an angel and these angels like when they attack, their energy manifests in the form of like crosses of light. Yeah, so even before it starts giving you the deep info, it's like it's subliminally showing you. Yeah, every explosion is like cross shaped basically. Yea. Even the

dialogue, it's like they slipped symbolism into the dialogue. Like in the first movie it was talking about these kids being part of Project Marduk, right, yeah, you know what Marduk is. That's the Sumerian like Christ like archetype. What's the son of Inky, the big god of Sumerian tablets? All

the little all the little descriptions of facilities and places. It was all Greek mythology, Sumerian or Biblical names and references and symbols like nerve like nerve hsques, like main supercomputer is called the Magi system, and all three supercomputers are the names of the Magi from the Bible. Oh my god. Yeah, oh no, no, no, no, no, what are their names? I think I forget but anyway, yeah, their name the three Magi from the the North Star, the Star of David, is it? No?

Not the Oh yeah, so it's a mel koar, balth Bazar and cast Bar like like that's the name of the mat computers. Yeah, yeah, it's just probably mispronounces. Do you real bad? But do you find that out? In the first movie, how did you find that out like the nineties anime. Oh literally, just like here's the supercomputer and then it

like they all have like little labels with their names on. Oh yeah, So that's that's kind of an important thing to say if anybody out there's planning on watching, which I mean, I think we can highly I would definitely recommend it if you like anime or just deep deep crazy. Yeah. But so they originally it came out in the nineties and it was an anime,

like a normal episodic anime. But then in like the two thousands, like the twenty tens, you know, two thousand and sevens when the first on the first one, and they remade the series into movies, which, in my opinion, and you know, everybody has their own opinion about it, in my opinion, these movies are a lot more palatable than watching the entire series, and I think they also the series is a little more psychological and

like kind of like a slow burn, but like it's cooler. It dives deeper into the like the mindset of the characters, you know, but like, yeah, which is also cool. But the movie is just like bam bam bam, here we go. Yeah, it's here's all the sauce, you know, here's all the sauce. Yeah. So it's so really the first one wraps up. It's it's like not a lot of like crazy mystical you know, stuff happens. I mean, not anything too literally the craziest

thing that happens. They're like, here's the first angel. Its name is Lily. It's the second angel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was the text and the dialogue that was mystical in the first movie, right, you know what I mean. It wasn't like the things that were happening overtly like the fourth movie. The fourth movie just dunks your head into it. I can't wait. So, like just some of the stuff I wrote down from the first movie in the very beginning, it's like info

dumping you. It says, angels ate from the tree of life, humans ate from the Tree of knowledge, you know, and it's like it's that it's that, uh, it's the biblical like Genesis flood story, why God flooded the world, you know it reset it's like the humans were becoming as God, you know, the whole Tower of Babel. They were trying to reach the heavens. That's the whole thing about Evan Gellien. Yeah. Literally, I mean that that is that's what's playing out in front of you during

the movies. What I love about these movies. It took me to the fourth one to finally click like, oh, this is what it's like. You notice when they're facing these like reality breaking supernatural threats and they're they're using technology, right, but like again, I think the phenomenon the technology is like blended with the supernatural. Yeah right, Like the body of the vessel is an angel. Yeah yeah, Like all all are like just shared DNA

of the angels. Like this is the reality of UFOs, you know, like they call them synthetic Humanoid Evan Gelian. It's like the the full title of the robots. Basically, like that's that's essentially the reality of UFOs. Not that it's literal like spaceship baby Baby, but it's like it's it's it's a it's an entity that transmits other divine entities through realities. But what's crazy is like when they're when the humans are piloting these ships and they're fighting the

supernatural threats, but they're basically using supernatural technology. You notice there's always like one more little button they can push for more power. I think of the fourth movie. They're literally warping through dimensions and they're like, oh oh no, no, no, we got five percent power left. Push a button and some some like backdoor code, yeah, and some bigger engine comes out. It's like it's like they were constantly pushing the technology to new heights that

were shattering the rules of reality. You know, you mean, like, Okay, I don't want to go on to that point because we're not at that part of the moment till we get to like three point zero. Dude, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah, So I mean, yeah, do you have anything else written for the first one? Oh? I have a lot written? Oh okay, just just little data points like sell the We didn't even talk about this yet, so they introduced yes, do you want

to explain? Sure. So one of to me, one of the coolest parallels maybe not the coolest, but most interesting parallels that Evan Gelian has to like the phenomenon and to consciousness in general, is there is a shadow government in uh Evan Gelian called Sella or Cela, which in German means soul. Right, Yeah, and just that they're like this elite, hyper elite,

one percent, shadow government, secret society, occult knowledge. Yeah, like they communicate to the head of Nerve through like monoliths basically, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they literally look like that, but like the symbolism on it. Yeah, and so the shadow government, you never like see their faces, you never see like their bodies or anything. They just communicate

with these monoliths. The logo for Sella is an upside down philosopher's stone and the circle in the middle is the Apple of Eden, and there's a snake coiling around it. There's seven eyes on the on the symbol, and then there's a quote. And what does the quote says. It's in German. The quote is God judges above the firmament, above the stars, as we have judged, is what the quote is translate. Yeah, well this is what I found. I just looked up the words cell and I don't know

that this is a real, uh correlation. I just thought it was a really cool coincidence. But in Scottish folklore, seely or se e l i e is their term for like fairies and supernatural beatings, So could be a correlation there. I mean, we can't know for sure, but it is

cool. Yeah, no, yeah, that's cool. That's sick. Also, like another like cool cool thing is you know, I wanted to bring this up earlier, but like you know, the title is basically Greek, right, the title of the show Neon Genesis Evan Gillian is like Greek for like like new Original Gospel or something like yeah, you know, new Original Gospel, which is like right, calm, well, especially with the crosses

of light like yeah, you know, yeah, Christ consciousness. But yeah, so it's cool because so essentially, just to talk a little bit about the plot so you understand like how how Cell operates. It's like this main character, Shinji, He's just this fourteen year old dude, and in the very beginning you find out his dad is like basically the head of Nerve, which Nerve is like kind of like the Men in Black kind of like a

very futuristic experimental wing of the military that has these everything else. Earlier like yesterday, I can't remember, was it the CIA. Yeah, you're like it's kind of like DARPA kind of like that futuristic tech, you know, and they have these robots and and and his dad is like the head of that. But as it goes on, you find out his dad is like the head of seal or sell or whatever. You know, he's working on his own accord. He's like following their instructions, but he's like doing his

own like secret shit in the background. He's like kind of like, well, he surpasses them, Yeah, surpasses all of them. And it's it's crazy because there's multiple layers of like shadow government in the military that that is

trying to protect humanity. And then you have this like shadow occult group that is multi generational, has the supernatural occult knowledge to see AONs into the future and know how to orchestrate this precise spiritual predestiny plan for all of consciousness and and and like carry it out by basically ritualistically forcing the prophecy to come true ahead of time. And Evan Gellion, that's the Dead Sea Scrolls, right,

is like the guide stone to pushing this evolution further. You know, they call it the apocryphal Dead Sea Skulls, which is a real thing. So it's crazy. It's it's hereditaries like that too. You know. It's like it's like I think real life is like that. There are secret occult groups that have this multi generational plan and everything that we see and experience are just like tick not you know, check that off the list of prophecy they're

trying to fulfill. It's very cool. They're in a pyramid. They operate in a big black pyramid underground. Yeah, but then Cell is in an upside down pyramid. Yeah, it's cool. It's as above so below. It's really. Yeah. Nerve and Selah, at least in the beginning, like in the first movie or second, they seem like they're like opposite organization. Yeah, it's like like Nerve works for Sela and they like they still

have their own secrets. Like there's that part in the second movie where like Gendo and fut Skier on that moon base and they're like, yeah, but they won't let us on the moon base. You know, they're like just kind of circling around it. Yeah, like what are they up to? Yeah, they're still keeping their working on Ava mark four though in the background. You know. Yeah, it's like in it's like an extremely elaborate plan, Like that's planned down to the most minute d down to the decisions.

Yes, the people will make. Yeah, they know the decisions that people. They know the decision everybody's gonna make. They's predetermined, like you know, the pilots are predetermined, pre selected through the Marduk Institute. It's like every child in Tokyo three has potential to be an Ava pilot, but only specific ones can ascend awaken. Yeah, yeah, that's what When do you find out which movie do you find out that, like the pilots themselves are

able to ascens at the end second? Right, okay, like he starts the like their impact is it? Right? So we should briefly breeze by the impacts real quick. So this Shadow Organization sella they are, you know, doing these things to make these cataclysmic events happen. And these events happen in the form of impacts. They call them impacts, and they're these huge

even world cleansing Yeah, like like quote unquote angelic. It's not angelic, but it comes from the angels that they've been fighting and stuff like that. Uh, and it wipes out huge portions of the of Earth. Each time there's an impact that just I just clicked. I'm just like clicking more things. Like the first impact was when Adam comes to Earth like thousands of years before, you know, humanities. Oh, that's when the first thing you

know, where it was when Arctic Wow? What Yeah, And that's where that's when in like twenty ten, twenty fourteen, Missado's dad is like out there just in like you know, excavating and stuffing. That's where they find Adam, the first angel, which triggers the second impact. And then you were telling me this last night while we were watching the fourth movie. You were like, oh my god, I just realized the impacts are the Four Horsemen aclypse. It's because like an impact turned the sea red. Yeah,

like wormwood. Whoa dude. And it's like at that point, Gendo is saying, after the fourth impact is about to begin, He's like, the four Horsemen have assembled, you know he said that. Yeah. Last night, Raven was like, oh my god. And I was like quack quack quick yea, like it clicked save it. Oh my god. Yeah. Everything. So it really this this series or this movie or whatever you wanna call it, it really like faithfully follow the like end times and an allegory

it is. It's literally an allegory for like biblical prophecy. Yeah, and through the awakening, throughout the history of this story, there are four major impacts that they reference, and it's a parallel to the four Horsemen. You know, each time they get progressively worse and different. It's like different plagues human. The first one, like I guess it probably only covered through like Antarctica, which is kind of makes sense to twise, like just like a

frozen hellscape. Yeah yeah. And then the second one painted the sea's read. The third paints the lands read, you know, purifying everything. Yeah, Like it's crazy, so crazy. Now what what, Let's let's hold off on the fourth one. We'll build up. We'll build up to that. What were you going to say, I don't remember. Okay, so

the first two impacts essentially happened before really the show even starts. Yeah yeah, and then you we see the third impact take place at the end of the second movie, and basically a lot of the second movie, if I remember correctly, it's just like they're fighting angels. There's a little bit of exposition. There's you find out a couple nuggets other way around what the second

movie was like a lot of introducing new characters. They're introducing like a little bit of a showing they're like, that's right, motives like that when you meet like Kaji and like you know Osca. Yeah, the new pilots and all that. Okay, so yeah, Mari Mari. Yeah, the second one didn't get like super mystical until the end. Yeah. It was because they we're gonna have OSCA test out that Mark four you know, Eva Gillian unit, and it had an angel inside of it. Somehow it was like

infected. That's why. Yeah. And then like you know, Shinji had the dummy plug system and they were like, yo, you gotta kill this this Evan Gelli and Saint Angels like I can't. Osca is in there, you know, he just does nothing, and they basically like add the dummy plug system and like force him to like kill Osca you know. Yeah yeah, and that that's what infects the world. I don't know how that somehow that triggers the second third. Well what happens. Remember it's because he awakened.

Yeah, okay, it's because an angel attacked and he had to awaken to kill it. And also something about Ionami. Oh, he was taken. He was eating inside and angel ate her and was gonna take her like forever, and he awakened and like jumped through that dimension and poor ol. Yeah, and then it brought the impact exactly so so in like a super dire moment towards the end of the movie. Shingji the main character, Yeah, he awakens and it causes that third huge cataclysmic event. And also just

like so that you know Shinji as a character, he's extremely traumatized. I mean, imagine being a fourteen year old kid. You haven't spoken to your dad most of your life, and then all of a sudden you get a call from your dad and he's like, hey, I want to have lunch and how it always goes, but can you also save the world for me? Yeah, you show up and your dad's like, yeah, we're not having lunch. I just need you to risk your life and get into this

robot you've never been in and try to fight a freaking massive alien. Yeah. Shinji is very, very, very traumatized. He's also very very meek. Yeah. Yeah. For the first three movies, I didn't like that, but after seeing the fourth, I'm like I get it. Yeah, I get it. He's an allegory for christ consciousness. Yeah. He was completely non violent and compassionate through the whole movies, you know, and he

ascended past all of them. Yeah, like straight up yeah he uh so, yeah, that's really like one of the only super crazy mystical things that happens in the second movie. He ascends boom, third impact, world goes crazy, and then uh, there's a there's a fourteen year time skip yep, yep, right between two and three. Yeah, y'all have any notes on two that you want to? Yeah, you want to. And I feel like we've we've breathed passed. We haven't even talked about like what the

avas actually are. You're not just robots, oh yeah, for their sake, Yeah, they're literally robots that are synthetic clones of like the first Angel Adam or the seconde so, and we didn't even talk about the Lila thing. So it's like it's it's like the humans at this point are playing god.

They're they're studying the supernatural because the angels, sure, they appear to be aliens from off world, but you know, at the end of the day, they're supernatural entities that travel through reality and through the cosmos, you know. So it's like the humans are mimicking the supernatural technology, but also like it's real because they're learning the mysteries of it. And you know, so these avas are like basically part angel and they have a mind of their

own. And we didn't say this, but every time one of the angels is killed, and in the first three movies a lot of angels are killed because you know, it's before the avas are just fighting each other. There's a cross of light, a massive cross of light like think like mushroom cloud explosion news, Like whenever you'll destroy the core of an angel, it like,

yeah, makes this massive bright. It's a cross of light with a halo of light and rainbows arching all around every time without fail when angels are killed. Cross of light, halo of light, rainbow of light. They're telling you, it's like it's it's the biblical symbolism. You know. But where were we going after second? Second? Second? Two? Yeah, you got anything? The only thing I really like because like I knew you guys would pick up more than me. But like the key of Nebucannezzar.

Yes, yes, it's the guide stone that will link man with God. Basically, it's like literally the key looks like it was a syringe to inject. It was like a syringe, but it also looked like a nervous system. Oh well, Nebucannezzar was the name of the matrix ship, right,

ye, And that's also yeah. So in the very beginning of the movie too, Okay, So movie one, you find out that the humans, the groups sell the Evil Occult group, has made a pact with Lilith, which was this angel that they had crucified on a cross like under underground, like deep under the nerve headquarters. Is Lilith crucified and stabbed with the lancelogynis, you know, yeah, and they made a pact with her for power basically. So in the very beginning of the second movie, one of the

angels is escaping. I'm not sure if it was Lilith, but it was. They had an angel contained and it starts to escape, and in the dialogue they're like the angels escaping from containment unit Cocaitis and I'm like, okay, gotta look it up. So Cocitis is ancient Greek. It is literally translated into lamentation the river of whaling in the underworld of Greek mythology. So

like it's constant like duality. It's like heaven and hell symbolism, but it's also inversed, like the angels are basically the demons they are, you know, it's it's that as above so below, like they're they're inverting biblical symbolism. It's I mean, it's like they hold them underground, crucified on a cross, but it's Lilith, which is the biblical dark. She's a demon. Yeah, she's a demon, but she's crucified on a cross. Yeah,

you know. Crazy. A couple other lines from the second movie, like Raven said, the key of Nebuchadnezzar is the guidepost that we unite soul and God. It will open the gates of human instrumentality. So they're talking about it's that left hand path that the Seal group is trying to ascend in in an attempt to like become as God. Yeah, whereas opposed to Shinji's path, which is the christ consciousness path, you know, which is how it you know, I guess we could say, like that's how it ends

up. He ascends to love and compassion and kindness and he becomes a God. But in the second movie, they say, chaos is in the eye of the beholder. The world is always made up of harmony and order. You know, that's the most sonic quote. Chaos out of order. It's just it's spirit science. It's it's like the wisdom of Atlantis. It's like reality is dual. It's chaos and order, light and dark in and yang. And another quote that I thought was profound was let me find it really

quick. And the end of the first movie, they said Shinji needs love only because only love will ease his loneliness. So it's this theme of him being so desperate and broken and traumatized in despair. And you know, you saw how the fourth movie ended, he finds love and forgiveness even for his enemies. You know. But it's crazy, is that's how it ended in

the nineties anime, and nobody liked that back then. I could see why end of Evangelian, which is like he was like, okay, well fuck you, here's the dark forgiven and it's so bad, dude, really it's really good, but I mean like bad, like dark dark. No. I like this happy ending. Yeah, older, yeah, no, the older I get, like the more, I'm like, okay, yeah, that was great, but like like ask me, like ten years ago, I like loved end of Evan Gelly and for some reason. I think.

I think, like real talk, man, I get soured if shit doesn't have a good ending. Yeah, because it's like I've invested all this time into energy watching these characters. We gotta watch End of Evan Gelling, but you're at least once you're just gonna give me a middle finger and make me have spent years in my life watching this all be for nothing. Yeah, that's what That's what Anno did with End of Evan Gelling because he made it happy at the end of like the nineties anime. But like I said,

people a lot of people complain for some reason. So like the ending of that anime was just like Shinji like accepting and loving himself, Like you know, that's what we got from that, like closure for him. You know, that's awesome. So and I was like that was great, and then nobody liked it for some reason. I love that, Well, it was awesome. Was it different than the way the movie ended? Though? Yeah,

it's I don't even know, it's so much weirder. It's like it still does like the thing where like the fourth movie is like everything's like a set and a stage. Yeah, it does that, but like the budget they were running out of budget towards those last couple episode. It's like it's kind of bad. It's like it's still a good ending. Okay. So uh the third movie, well, I've got one more note from the episode or from the second movie. And there was a base that they were creating.

It was at called gold Gotha base. You know, gold Gotha is gold Gotha is the place that they say, uh, Judas is Scariot went and basically killed himself after Jesus was crucified. It's like the place of bones and skulls. It's a biblical quote. Okay, whoa. So the freaking the Biblical references are on a ten in this. This is why I'm glad we're doing this episode. Like I knew you would like pick up on more things than I did, and there's more than by the third movie. I

just stopped writing. Yeah, it never stopped. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's great about that's franchise. Man. Every every little name of a of a of a being, or a facility or a government program, it's all either fucking biblical, gree Smith Sumerian, a cult, Tree of Life, Kobala shit. Yeah, none of it was was random. No, like they they pick and pull from like everything. Yeah, like that's what they

wanted to do when they made this anime. Like they say, like it was just to stand out from like your regular mac animes, like your gun dams and stuff like that that were going on. But I think it was more than that, you know, Yeah, it was on purpose. It was definitely. You know, we were talking about that earlier because yeah, the creator of Evan Gallians like, oh no, we just we just did it look cool, Yeah, because it looks cool and different and whatever.

But like you watch this and you're like you are lies in show you like the nineties anime. It's like the opening theme has watch it now it has like the opening has like the Tree of Life like in it. Yeah, in the opening theme, dude, it's crazy. I feel like he's got to be an initiative of an order or he's just studied his whole life and

he's highly knowledgeable of of this esoteric stuff. But it is not an accident where it was just a psychic download, dude, because like it's essentially just an animal for most of his life, you know, But I don't know what he does on his free times, right, I mean believe it was psyching downloads, bro. But like with the symbolism that he's using, is like it's too accurate. That's that's knowledge that has to be collected. That's that's not coincidence, dude, it's two pin point accurate. Yes, like

precise. This guy is on some ship. He's he's an initiative of an esoteric order or I don't know, he'd be knowing he be, he'd be knowing for sure. Movie yes, okay, three point three three three point three Third movie, bless It starts on a tin. Yeah, it's absolutely. It starts like crazy action from the jump Marion Oscar just in outer space fighting an angel. Yes, yes, that was that was like that was probably the first movie where the animation was like stunning. Yeah, because it

was made more recently, right, twenty fourteen or something like that. Huh, it was like stunning. Yeah. The movie starts off there immediately fighting angels like from the jump, and then like three or four angels in a row they're fighting like it is like intense, intense, intense. It's obvious from the beginning of the third movie that because the second movie ended with another impact and Shinji awakening and all that stuff. It has obviously ramped stuff way

way up. Think about the Four Horsemen. As the horsemen appear, things get exponentially worse. Yeah, Like each each one of the Horsemen and they show up, it gets worse and worse. Impact is more severe exactly,

and it gets more intense and and that kind of stuff. So, uh, it's obvious from the start of this movie that things are getting close to the end or you know what, well, the real the rest of the you know, because Shinji's been sleep for fourteen years, the main character, and like some point towards the middle or the beginning middle, he's like makes it where he's trying to go. He's he's been hybernating for fourteen years.

He's like basically a prisoner. He escapes and then he's like kind of shown the reality of the world and it's all dead. Yeah, Like the whole world just dead, Like when like Marion Oscar in Space, the whole world is just read it's dead. Yeah, there's like only small pockets of society even left. You want to call it what Zella calls it purified, but he did it. Yeah, it's all which which which further contributes to that trauma, like because now he ascends, he goes into a fourteen year coma,

wakes up and realized, I basically just destroyed the world. You know, I basically just killed most of the planet. I think it's worth mentioning he was stopped from Yeah, we we glanced past this. He was stopped from fully ascending, right, So in the second movie, he ascends.

Yeah, that's why they call it. In the movies, they call it near third impact, like it was he starts, he starts awakening to like cosmic level consciousness, and he's like he's like glowing, like a basically a being of light, and he like walks through to another dimension of reality and like performs a supernatural miracle and he like brings her back into the physical world. Yeah who ray Yeah yeah, when she's trapped inside that angel, you

know right right, they called it miracles. Remember they kept saying we need another miracle. Yeah yeah. And then so essentially they they expound on the information in the third movie they talk more about how you know, these special kids who are selected to to pilot these big ava robots, they have the ability to ascend like their literal consciousness. Yeah, awaken. They can awaken,

and when they do, they you know, glow with light. They become extremely powerful, and it's so interesting because you're like, oh, great, that's really cool. That's that's going to help them fight the angels, right, they like they fuse with their angels. Yeah, they're with their evan Gellion. Like you see it in that. It's not a robot anymore. Yeah. No, it's like literally Unit one's arm was like ripped off, and you see when Shinzi ascends, it like ros it sheds the fucking

material robot materials. Yeah, it was just like flesh, you know, Like but it's like kind of flesh and light. It's like yeah, you see like the arm come out and it's like light and then it becomes it kind of pops out like a lightsaber. Those Yes, it's very visually just jaw dropping. Yeah, but they finally like give you the info that like, yeah, these kids can ascend and it's a big deal. So you're thinking, like, oh, great, they can beat the angels with this

now. But but all of these dark organizations pulling these strings all of this stuff, they don't want these kids to ascend. They they put it under the guys, or the excuse of like, well if if you ascend, that could start another impact, right, but that's like not like truly what's

starting the impact? Truly? What's the impacts are that Sella has been putting all of these things in place, They've been they've been tweaking things, they've been like placing breadcrumbs, leading everybody to these very very specific events that are

causing the impacts. So they're using that as an excuse to say, like, no, we don't want these kids to to ascend, and so they put collars on these kids called is it DSS Yeah, deification shut down collars to where if they begin to ascend, it'll literally just blow their head off. Yep. Yeah, rip to that one. It's crazy because it's like that one was put on Shinji and he's just like took it off. We know why he took it off though by the fourth movie, right and how

he did it? Yeah, all right, So then what happens next? So in the third movie, we know they can awaken and they're basically like God's becoming gods. These AMA pilots, they're not ordinary humans. And Shenji's with this other guy and he has this duplication color on. You meet Calaru in the third movie, he awakens and what happens? Who awakens? Cower awakes? Like why and what they were doing? I honestly don't remember why. Yeah, they were going down into the like the help it to get

the two lances. Remember that you thought they were going to be the same lance. It was like cash Longinus and Laungus. You think that they're going to get Cashious and Longinus, but Gendo put yeah, he put two Longinus into unit thirteen. So let me let me try to make that makes sense real quick for everybody. I'm gonna just give you the super super quick version. Basically, think of these as like like you know, primordial biblical artifacts,

these spears, like the spear of destiny exactly. So think of it like this, like in the earliest stages of a planet. Let's just say Earth in Evangelian lore, an angel falls down to the planet and all life on that planet comes from that angel. Right, There's only supposed to be one angel that falls down to each planet. And so let's say, remember there's two main primordial angels that all life come from, Adam and Lilith.

So only one is supposed to fall down to each planet either Adam or Lilith earth Head two both or Earth had Adam and Lilith yea, and when that happens, to prevent like basically complete chaos from erupting, they sacrifice one of the angels with the spears, so the Adam would show up and he would have the cashious spear, and the Lilith would show up and she would have

the launginous spear. So Shinji goes underground to where Lilith was sacrificed because they both fell onto Earth, and he was expecting to see both spears because he knows that's what they told him, is like, there was an Adam and a Lilith, so you should go down there and see Laungeness and Cassius, and with those two together you could write a new reality for this planet and you could fix everything. He goes down there and it's two longinous spears,

which is not supposed to happen. It's like literally the whole time that everyone is trying to stop him from pulling the spears out to even like how in the unit thirteen with him, which like most of these eva are piloted just by one person. Unit thirteen has two. But there that's for like a backdoor thing, you know, yeah, yeah, And everybody's trying to stop Shinji like no, no, no, it's the wrong spears. Don't pull the spears. Those are not the right spears. And I almost called him

lufy. Shinji is so like determined to like redeem himself because he you know, he's he in his mind, he basically ruined things to everything. Yeah, he thought he ruined the whole planet. So he's like, I gotta fix everything right now. So he's zealous. He's way over zealous. He pulls the spears out, bro, and that's when you find out that that was orchestrated by that dark government se they replaced the cashious spear with another lounginous

spear, knowing he would pull them. Knowing that he would pull them, he pulled them started the last impact. So, so remind me why that other kid awakened, because by that point I was three movies in back to back, and I was like overloaded Fromentually. Cawuru was the first angel, and all part of that plan was to get him to ascend to become the thirteenth angel, to trigger that Fourth Impact. Yeah. So so the way

that he actually ascended though, was I think. I think it's because he got near Lilith, I think, but because he was a like an angel of Adam. I believe, yes he was, Yeah, because Adam was the first angel. Yeah. Yeah, And it showed him at one point maybe in the fourth movie he was in this eternal cycle of always incarnating. There just for that to play out, remember, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and then Shinji eventually rewrote that and made peace with him. Yeah.

Oh. Also those chokers that they were, what were the crystals that their Socil crystal Vogel crystals, Yeah, which are of life. So Marcel Vogel was a guy. I'm not sure what decade it was in, but it was in the nineteen hundreds. Sure, I thought you were saying vocal and I was like, oh, I get it because it's near his throat like Vogeoka. And Marcel Vogel was a scientist. He was. He was a legitimate like he created the technology for lc dtvs oh squid crystal display. He

worked at He worked at a company that it's a big company. It's like IBM or I can't I can't remember which one and he was like this fringe like Einstein type who would get these crazy ideas about crystals and how they have applications and technology. And he started having dreams about the Cabala tree of life. And he had this dream where he saw the ball a tree of life materialize and then it's geometry shape the dimensions of a crystal. This is his

real if it's in a dream. And he woke up and he created the Vogel crystal, and it's the most powerful cut of crystal known to mankind. So it's a type of cuts. It's the cut. It's not an actual crit it's just a quartz, but it's the precision. It's laser cut to perfectly mirror the geometrical dimensions of the cabolatry of life. And he got that

in a try so. So, yeah, those chokers that they put on these kids have those like Vogel Vogel crystal crystals in them, and if they begin to ascend, those crystals like come out and then go back in and blow their head off. Do you remember the fourth movie when he was being shown that power plant that had all those big devices that prevented the cleansing from reaching their society. It gave him a little pocket of normal earth. Yeah.

Yeah. The nodes of this power plant system were perfectly arranged in the cabalatry of life. Yeah, it was actually the cabolatry. It was like the exact geometry. He paused it and looked at it. Now, think about this, Oh yeah, I'll just put it look cool really, bro, And then those devices that have that power have Vogel crystals that are even cut to the Caballatry of life. It's too specific. It look cool. Yeah. He ain't full of me, son, No, he ain't full

in us its way. It was very artific architecture. It was it was like a mind put all these little pieces together very intentionally. He's lying to us, bro, He's lying perfect. It's a liar. Yeah, he's trolling. Hey. Yeah. Ryan made a good point that, like you know, a lot of this this mystical knowledge, these secret societies, they are very hush hush yes about it, and they won't even admit when they a lot of their swear oaths. Bro, they can't just come out and

tell you like this is what it means. They're not allowed. Yeah, that's probably exactly what happened. He probably has is a part of some this is just speculation, but some society, and maybe he had to to write like I ain't gonna say nothing about my anime. And I don't know that for sure, man, But I really do feel like there is a there's some form of psyche, a coalition of artists and creators of you know,

film and media and and and just big high arc. I feel like there is a push to put this esoteric information into it, you know, I can feel that. All right, let's get to the finale the fourth movie. All right, this is where it goes. This is it. That's where they take you out the kiddie pool. I mean I kind of do that in the third movie, honestly, honestly, yeah, well this is where they push you into the deep end. Like, this is where they make you smoke d mt Yeah, yeah, dude. They put the pipe

to your mouth and light it for you. They're like, you're ready, yeah, smoke roots. Yeah. It's not about robots. It's not about any of it, honestly. Yeah, Like from early on in the fourth movie, it's like, Okay, let's cut the ships. It ain't just about these big robots no more. Let's start giving you that here's what it's

all about. Yeah, and by the way, I'm so happy that they actually gave us the infant because you know, so many of these like artsy type things, they just still won't give you the vague like bo was afraid. That's why I haven't seen that one. You guys make me not want to watch it, honestly, Honestly, bro, I can't recommend that. It's heartbreaking. It was a very disappointing. It's like, already astro Man's that such a great people. Yeah, I got their flop. Yeah,

I know you, and I know your tastes and stuff. I think you'll actually like enjoy watching the movie, and there were definitely moments where like I was enjoying watching it for sure. Just it's funny. It's very funny. I think the best piece of advice I could give you going into that movie is like, do not expect to understand a single thing that's happening, because

they will never explain it. That's how I felt like when I was doing the research for Evan Gillian on the I felt like a maniac all this stuff. It's a lot of info, But Evan Gillian actually gives you the explanation one way or another, you might have to dig for it. At least gives you the symbol so you can do the research exactly. Might not give you the information that they give you. You can find it in like PlayStation two games that never came to America. Dude. The thing about Evan Gillian

is this literally recognizable symbolism. You can look it up and know what it's telling you. Yeah, it's it's universal. And not to go on a tangent about Bosa Fray, but like he literally went so far as to like take the symbols and alter them and it'll just be like triangles everywhere. It's like, you just don't even know what what are you trying to tell you? It's like, okay, obviously this is esoteric, but I don't care because you see me as a dummy who doesn't deserve to know, you know

what I mean? That's how I felt from that, Yes, the way up its own end, I felt like it was a very arrogant movie, like you're not even gonna give me a crumb of the cookie, you know what I mean? Like it does that's what y'all give. Hereditary was satanic. I mean, it was it actually was pretty evil definition. Yeah, it's kind of spook though. Yeah, it's my favorite. It's my favorite

horror movie. Oh yeah, especially that I'm sorry, I'm just going on a tangent that she's like crawling on the ceiling and she starts banging her head really fast, Like if the first time it scared the ship out of me watching, like every time I watch it now, I just can't help but laugh because it's so this is the last thing i'mnna say about it. I went into that movie Blong, dude, Blong, no idea what I was watching. I was like, oh, it's I hear a kid gets her

head knocked off by a like a like a lamp post or something. Yeah, I was like, I'm in Here's why. Evan Gillian to me is like one of the greats of occult knowledge. It's like it's like high art because again, it like it gives you the symbols and you know what it's telling you. He's he's working with you, like if you just dig a

little, you can find out what you're supposed to find out. Yeah, and and where the previous movies were a little kitchy with their symbolism, I mean, some things are in your face, but like you said, a lot of the things in the back, you gotta look in the background. But it's there. It is there. But the fourth movie couldn't be more in your face, could not There's the container holding everything together just pops and it all just oozes out, like, yeah, they're fighting at one point

two of the AVA pilots like in their avas. Also, can we talk about the ship the woonder, Yeah, we never even talked about that. Let's just fucking Noah's Arc basically. Yeah, they're like that scene like we're Missado's in there and I can't even remember Ritsko. Yeah, yeah, she comes up and she's like, you're always in this room. We should just making your office. And then they explain they're like it has every single life form in it and each container, right, like, oh, I forgot

about that, yeah, missus Noah's Ark. Yeah, she even says the word the arc, that it was designed to be an ARC. That's right. So in this giant, massive new ship that they fly, they also powered by AVA Unit one. Yes, let's throw that out there. We're gonna put that in the supernatural technology. Uh huh. They're literally like they turned an angel into a ship, like yeah, you know, and and it inside of it they have one of every living organism on earth, and

yeah, it's an arc. It's literally it's Noah's Ark. But at one point two of the Ava pilots in the Ava's they go into this like portal into this like it's basically the gates of Hell. It's very obviously trying to visually convey to you that they're going into hell. You know, they're literally going to Hell where Ghindo is to stop him from doing. By the way, we didn't mention that either, because i mean, now we're here,

we're at the fourth movie, so we can talk about it all. Ghindo, which is the guy that shin Shinji's dad who works for Nerve and then Sell the Dark. We also Door of Guff, which is the portal to Hell. Basically. We also didn't even mention that this group sell. I mean, you mentioned they were like German, but the dude, it's like it's the Nazia coal uh huh. That was a real thing. The Nazis

had a cult knowledge. Gosh, you think about the you know, the movie, the way they had those AVO units that were powering the one cannon. You see how they were like marching, It's just legs like kind of and they were like that green color like a yeah, but I was thinking

that when I saw it. So in the fourth movie, you find out that you know, so many times or how much time has passed because Shinji's been like hibernating and like literally resetting the world's population through cataclysms every time he awakens or whatever. And the show is very interstellar two thousand and one ask where it's like always from Shinji's perspective, So you the viewer drop in when Shinji wakes up and it's just a new world now and everyone's age the new

technology, and it's like what the fu. Yeah that we discovered the gap in this between three and four we're going to call the movies because you know it's three point one point, but it was like two years right right. Yeah. But my point is by the fourth movie, the Evil Cell group has ascended to this level of supernatural existence where they're operating from hell. They're they're not human anymore. Yeah, they they've they've descended into like the dark

rest that's what. Yeah, because Gendo they were like he gave away his humanity for like the knowledge and power, which is like when he went through Yeah, you know, it's like Odin sacrificing his eye and he takes his

glasses off and he has no eyes, remember. Yeah, But anyway, they go down into hell basically, and they're fighting like swarms of millions of avas, and the avas are swirling in sacred geometric patterns, and at one point it's like a full spiral of consciousness that then explodes into the perfect flower of life, like the exact like like literally it is the flower. It

is the perfect flight. So that's what I meant with like, we got a preface before this, before all this craziness happens, there's like a little

bit of like a Farmville incident going on. Yeah, there's a ray clone learning how to be a human, you know, and then Shinji's just being traumatized in late down the whole time until until he just yeah, that whole snaps into it, that whole like ray thing with like her like learning how to be a human and stuff, and like it like inspires hope and then all this stuff and then she just gets her head blown off right in front of Shinji, who just which interestingly enough, starting to get better is a

huge turning point for Shinji because he got super ultra traumatized from seeing that other kids in the third movie. And so it happens to Ray and you're like, oh God, like his brain is gonna snap, He's gonna be but it does the reverse, turn him towards the light. It turned him towards the light. He he like finally had enough and was like, if I

don't do something, nothing's gonna happen, So I have to go. And it like charged him rather than you know, I'm sure they were trying to have the opposite effect, just keep breaking him so he can't do anything, breaking him and breaking him down, give him hope, break him down, you know, over and over exactly. But he he like transfixed or or he alchymized his trauma. He went past it. That's the word I was

looking at. He transmuted his trauma, pushed through it, and he actually used it to like charge him into you know, ultimately, and he he awakened, not in the literal Evan gelion like I'm I'm glowing, but like emotionally he awakened and he was he was confident and he was not scared anymore. He used to be a cry baby. Now he's like, sure, I'll come fight, I'll save the world. He wasn't scared or he changed. He's just like immediately he was like, I know what I have to

do now. Yeah, he's the one. He was like Neo, He's like that was his Neo moment. Yeah, it's like there's that moment with Neo where you see like him become the one, you know, and he need to believe his personality changes. Had that Yeah, you know, holds up his arm blocking all the hits from agents Smith like it's nothing. He's calm, he's collected whatever. Shinji has that exact same moment. The rest

of the fourth movie is that moment. Yeah. So basically like okay, so we're at the part where you know they're they're storming the gates of Hell. It's like the final battle. They get through the Gates of Hell, and like you said, it's very visually cutting edge, think like you know end of two thousand and one where they're going through portals and it's like trippy

like DMT visuals. This movie starts going in that direction and like at one point they start diving through uh like more exotic layers of imaginative reality what do they call the anti universe, and they explain like Boonder and the rest are like, oh, we can't go through there. It's likely human can't go

through here. Yeah, not normal humans, yeah normally, Well yeah that they didn't we didn't say that part that, like like Shinji Mari and all of them are like literally just like clones of themselves too at this point. Yeah, they're not the original. Yeah, you find out that, like all the Ava pilots, the reason that they are special is because they're essentially like they're descended from those original angels. They're like clones of those original angels,

like they basically are. So now we're bringing in the Special bloodline ship great, more and more truth and fiction exactly. So yeah, at a certain point, they're like they're they're not on Earth anymore. They're in another dimension with color DMT fractals, And they literally explain to us the viewer through through character dialogue, they're like, yeah, basically we're in the anti universe

where everything is not like it's not real, it's it's like imaginative. So the universe is going to create holograms and simulations for the mind to comprehend the events that are unfolding. But it's like all imaginary space, and it's it's like, you know, Shinji piloting Unit one, like in that sense, like physically fighting his father, you know. Yeah. Yeah, so like Shinji basically descends into this anti universe to to confront his father, and it's

like you're almost witnessing like their souls battle. Yeah, and it's just showing it to you in a way that you can understand, which is also exactly what the characters are going through, like they're in. Like Ryan said, this imaginative space simulations look like sets exactly a movie show or like a movie

a movie show. The fourth wall of Evan Gillian falls apart, and next thing you know, they're fighting on like a Hollywood studio set because it's the universe giving them a simulation of the conflict between their souls at this point. But the battle's not real. It's just like energetic. It's like their consciousness, Yeah, yeah, fighting each other like they they are on the set of Evan Gellia Brain fighting. Yeah. It even shows a title card on

a projector for Evan Gellion. It's because and it shows the nineties anime cool because it's like it's at the end of it. He realized it's like, oh, this isn't like we're not supposed to fight, and he's just like they talk it out. Well, yeah, they keep fighting for eternity, and they keep hitting a stalemate, and then the father starts giving this dialogue that's like, you represent the number one. You piloted the first ava and

the thirteenth ava. I'm piloting the thirteenth Ava. We are this eternal pair, one representing hope, thirteen representing despair. We are the equal and eternal opposites in our conflict will always result in a perfect harmony. And then it showed these like sacred geometry symbols of the two spears. They look like tuning forks, and then it showed these DMT like frequency patterns with the forks spinning and vibrating, and it was basically it would also show another scene of them

just clashing spears. For all reality, it's basically like dark and light, yin and yang. It was this cosmic cycle, and he was like, your brute force isn't gonna hurt me. You can't. You can't affect me in this reality with anger and strength. We're gonna have to talk. You know. The battle is different here. Yeah, we can't. We neither of us are going to die. We're gonna visit. This will go on

forever. Yeah, we're gonna We're in a different reality now. The physical violence is beneath our existence at this point, which is like a kind of like a weird allegory for reincarnation, Like all the physical stuff you do doesn't matter. You have to do the spiritual work. You have to do the inside, the emotional of the And we didn't even mention the head of his mother. Remember, Oh yeah, when they when they descend into the imaginary space, yea a giant like look now, like three d renders. I've

done DT once. I've only done DMT once, and I'm in no means an expert, but I will say my experience was exactly like that movie, where like basically they're all coming to terms of the fact that they're breaching into

the imaginary reality and everything around them is warping. You're seeing sick or geometry DMT like fractals, and then like imagine you are on a ship on the ocean or like in the void of space, Like your perspective is like you can see the sea around you, but then you look up and you see this guy and the void of the cause most and the entire space of that void is filled with a face. That's what they did in the movie. But it was a real It wasn't a cartoon. It was like a cgi

head. They straight up just like some uncanny It was weird. They obviously tried to because you look at the rest of the animation in that movie and how gorgeous it is, like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But you look at that, it's obvious that they try shock you. Yeah, they tried to make the most shocking and uncanny, like uncomfortable thing they possibly. Oh it worked. Reality is changing, you know. Yeah, yeah, things start to not make sense when during this battle, things start to

look different and feel different. Physics starts to change. It. It gets yeah, like like the fights, like the physical fights sometimes would be like in Tokyo three on the street. Sometimes it was in like a kitchen, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. One time it was on a Godzilla set, yeah yeah, And it was like cgi like it knock it buildings down like a god's element. I really like the way they mess with the animation at the end there. Yeah, it's and it's it's to convey that

like we're outside reality now, like things don't make sense anymore. Oh dude, we forgot to mention the part we're a homegirl with the red hair oscocus. She awakens to like save him in the end. She so like, dude, we glossed over this. So she begins to awaken before reality completely falls apart, and like she becomes this light being with a cross of light in a halo of light, and she turns into this giant godlike being rainbow

light covering her exactly. And then in the spirit realm, she speaks face to face with her higher self. Yeah, and her higher self self, her original self, the perfect version of herself. Yeah, that ascended to God, and it said something to her. It said something like she was like, oh, behind the showing off her call or she was like, I can't ascend like you. And she was like, oh, you're so dumb, and she just takes it off. But she told she told her

something like the final level of ascension is to become a god. Right. Yeah, she said something like accept my love kind of thing. I think, yeah, And then she just snatches her out of here and takes her away, and she ascends out of her physical body and she doesn't even die. Yeah, she becomes a straight up white being. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the robot, her actual eva explodes. It's like her body dies and her spirit ascends, you know. Yeah, that that happens before reality

breaks apart, and then reality breaks apart. The movie essentially wraps up with they are able to create an artificial spear through sheer willpower human willpower, by the way, which is something they call them lillins, but like they briefly explained in that moment that like that's one of the most potent powerful energies in the universe is human will power, right, And they they basically manifest a new final spear that is like a combination of laungeness and cash and I don't

either, but SHINGI spear of hope, I think. Yeah, Shinji wields it, and then with that he gets to completely rewrite reality and he creates a new, perfect reality. He creates a reality that is free of all of this conflict of the Avas and the Angels. He basically like he raises Evangelian completely. Yeah, And the end of the movie is like, call it Neo Genesis. It's real, live camera footage of Japan. Yeah, Like it's not a cartoon anymore. It's real. So what it's implying there

is that Shinji rewrote his reality, and that rewrite is our reality. It's the normal life we're living now. Yeah, it's it's our reality. Yeah, which would which would explain you know, the significance of all of that symbolism and all of that stuff. It's still like lingering around even if the actual physical angels and avas aren't there, that like you know, symbolic energy

is still in this realm, you know what I mean. Literally, when he's talking to Ray, like like you said, they show like this like almost like projector thing in the background that shows like the original nineties anime like fast forwarding through and he's like, I'll rewrite a reality without Angels, without Evan Gillian, and she goes Neon Genesis. Yeah. Yeah. Neon Genesis basically means a new beginning. So like I'm I'm kind of I think in

modern times there deserves to be a list of like enlightening films. You know, I'm working. I'm working on my own personal list, and I feel like Evan Gillian just has made it onst It's been on the list. The series as all yeah, like this is like one of like that series is like near and near to my heart and I'm glad I could like get you guys to experience that with me. Yeah, it was fun last night,

Like that was that was a blast, super fun. It's extremely like I know a lot of you guys are are probably like your brains are throbbing right now. It's extremely complex, It's extremely deep and intricate, but like the messages in there couldn't be more potent. It's high art. It's high art, it's high occult, it's high spirituality, and like that is one of the many things that makes Evan Gillian so so dope. You gotta show they haven't seen your toys, toys. We gotta show Ravens toys. This is

a gift from Angel. Shout out Angel. He's our model on our instagram if you see our one of our toy companies. But they make collectible boys. So that's Ava. Thirteen Rights is Unit thirteen. You can see by the four huh, this is ava Unit one got shout out Ben Jones for this one. Shout out. I don't know. I don't know either, been he called me on my birthday. I love that boy. This is from the end of Evan Gelli in the nineties movies. Is Ray ascended as

a God? Yeah? Oh my god, I didn't even notice. You're wearing the cella hat. Yeah, we got the a shiny crying shirt. Yeah, those glass Nicks. It's got like Evan gillian Nike limited edition shoes. Yeah, the clothes are just like honestly, they weren't very collect or, like a lot of the sneaker heads were just like kind of thought they were trashed. But I was like, those look like Evan Gillier's shoes. Av Gllian shoes. No, no, no, I just called him that,

bro. I thought you were just joking. I just called them my Unit one shoes. But like, no, they're like Nike blazers that collabed with a company called Acronym. But that's not what we're talking about. Anime that is near and near to my heart and my modern list is like and this is no particular order it's like Matrix two thousand and one. I guess, oh, definitely, Akira Neon, Genesis, Evan, Gillian Sorretty much Ghibli Gibli Giblia, Ghost in the Shell. Okay, we gotta watch Ghosts

in the Shell. It's like that. Yeah, can I come back for that one? Is it a movie? Yes, it's one movie. Okay, I'll watch a movie. One movie. It's like, it's so good. Yeah, watch it now. We're just kind of geeking out about anime. So I hope you guys enjoy it. Another one that he one thousand percent has to see Box No, Yes, well, yeah, you gotta watch that. You've been talking about it. Paprika. Oh yes, yes, I want to watch. We didn't have Paprika, we would not have

Inception. Yeah, literally made inspired by Inception straight up. Yeah, Like that's the inspiration for Did Christopher Nolan direct? Was it black Swan? No? No, no, no, no, okay, So Black Swan is also inspired by another movie written by the same dude. So Toshi Cone, great anime director. That's who made Aprica. No, he Fabrica. He made one called Perfect Blue. I've heard of that. It's very dark. It's not nothing. I don't think anything esoteric comes from it, right,

Like you know, watch that on your own accord. If we didn't have that, we wouldn't have Black Swan either. I'm just like, hey, look at all these cool anime films that made modern American movies. You know. Yeah, that's so cool, like how influential Japanese culture is. Honestly, bro, I believe you know what. That one we watched way back in Greensboro with Nathan You guys, Oh my god, that's another good one. It's like a little twelve episode twelve. Yeah, it was short.

I wish I knew it. You told me about this, Yes, it's you. It's sunny sunny boy boy, Yeah, you're about this. It's like it's up there with like end of Evan Gelian, like weird esoteric good. Oh, it's it's very very weird. Love that. But it's on par with Evan Gillian and the fact that they just give you enough to understand what's going to do the work and find out. Yes, it's very cool. It's not a super short series, but it was fantastic and then fully

coolly. If you want to turn your brain off and watch another robot anime, yeah, yeah, I seem fully COOLi back when I was in middle school, I don't really remember it that well. I remember it was very weird, but like I liked it. Oh yeah, it was kind of a cult classic kind of vibe. But dude, I just I love that. Like high art, I feel like I feel like Japanese anime in general has some of the most spiritually profound mesthals for sure in their work. Yeah,

I would agree for sure. It seems like, uh, you know, Eastern mysticism. Eastern spirituality is like very potent even to the even Yeah for sure. But but there's a lot of Western and evangelia. There's all biblical prophecy. Yeah for sure, it's but yeah, there's a lot of that, like it's it's so can even if like video games, think about Japanese video games, Yeah, they're all super spiritual. I mean not all,

but means some of them are just giant robots. Also, but I feel like I felt like Japanese animation and art in general, yeah, media probably doesn't have the strict restrictions that the American you know, like Western, because I feel like I feel like there's a lot of censorship. I feel like there's a lot of negative agenda in Western media, like if there really was a secret control group. I think they have their fingers on Western media.

But it seems to me like Japanese media is so free with with this esoteric knowledge. It's it's it's like someone lightning shit. Bro Akira changed me, Oh, we're gonna have to do an episode about definitely going to do it. You mentioned in passing Zone of the enders. It's like, no, that's very esoteric, dud. The little items in the little items that you pick up to hal yourself are Metatron cubes. Damn. You reminded me

of something I wanted to talk about Metatron, about Evan Gillian. This was my running theory of Evan Gillian. I feel like it's the story of Metatron. Metatron. Yeah, you mentioned that earlier before we started this, and this is a deep sub I've been wanting to do an episode on this anyway, Like I've been talking to Jenny about this this week about how much I've

been just really wanting to talk about Metatron. Last week or the week before, Jenny put the Metatron's cube post on our Instagram, remember, because she asked me and I was like, I want you to post that I'm getting ready to research an episode or whatever Metatron is is. I think it's in the Keys of Solomon, which was like an esoteric Arabic text about the biblical

prophet Solomon. You know. According to the Keys of Solomon, Enoch from the Bible was after he lived his human life and he reached the level of being a sage and like being the scribe of God and communicating with God. The story goes according to the Keys of Solomon and according to the Zohar, which is a mystical Cabbalistic you know, like Cabbala. Yeah, it's a

Cabala text. According to the Keys of Solomon and the Zohar, Enoch has sended to become Metatron, like basically the king of the archangel's the highest archangel, and it's the story of mankind through perfect knowledge and all the christ consciousness shit, you know, ascending to become an angel, to become a divine being. And I feel like that was the story of Evan Gillian. He

was basically Metatron. Bro. Yeah, he was like this human that ascended to be a god and he rewrote all of reality and like it's it's it's pretty crazy. Like, I think Metatron is real. I think I think the archetype of christ consciousness is also the archetype of Metatron. It's like the story of us ascending to being divine enlightenment. Enlightenment, Yeah, okay, that's yeah that if you had to sum up like kind of like the moral

of Evan Gillian, I think that's perfect. But he's literally turns into an angel like Metatron. Yes, you know, story and the movies are three three three. Obviously there's a one one one to two two two, but then there's a what's the last one point one point zero one one point There's a lot of three and one combination one three, like the thirteenth abo the first one and one three, or the license plate in the beginning was three

three one. There's a lot of combinations of one and three. I'm like kind of glad they went with that title because like, for the longest time before this last movie came out, I thought it was gonna be called like four point four four or something like That's it's like kind of we're about to take this to the next level, Okay, But Metatron's number is eleven thirty three, right, you know, so that you could you could stretch that

that number is hinting at Metatron's number. Now, all of these secret societies believe that, like we're talking real human history. They really believe that Enoch and Hermi's trus Mejistus were one and the same. The story of Metatron is the story of Hermi's trus Mejestis. It's this ancient being who revealed the Wisdom Emerald tablets. You know, it was the first ever mystery school of secret

society. Enoch would have been somewhere around five to seven thousand years ago if if that you know, biblical version of history is true or whatever, and he ascended and he never died of physical death, and he went on to become most like Biblical and like religious texts all have like very similar stories. So I can definitely see that being. I could too, But that's like in mystical texts. It's it's they they like Freemason's Rosa Crucians, all of

these like prominent esoteric groups. They believe that the biblical Enoch and Hermistry's Manchesters for one being, and they were heard, and they really believe he ascended to be Metatron. Wow, yeah, I did. Not know that parallel. Well, what does it sound like the phenomenon? They're angels, But it's also our higher self consciousness. It's consciousness where where it's just a spectrum

of consciousness. And actually, I know this is I'm rambling here, but Jim Simmy then shout out, Jim, he's he's very high level guy in the CIA, and he's he's he's a nice guy. And he wrote a forward in my dad's book. But anyway, we were at a mutual friend's house one time for Easter with Jim and his wife and and and some other

friends of my dad's whose whose names are casually mentioned in the book. And I was talking one on one with Jim, and he was explaining to me how he and those in the know, you know, in the Department of Defense and the secret groups in the government, see the phenomenon and they believe that it's a spectrum of consciousness. They believe that there are levels of existence in this reality. And they believe exactly like you know, it's it's it's

ascending to next levels of psychic existence. And he set straight up like the lady and entities like her, or beings that are so godlike powerful that through thought they can change reality. If they wanted to, they could think of thought and just destroy an entire planet or solar system or whatever point being. They believe that way, that it's a spectrum of consciousness ascending through reality.

Angels are like in a sense, like kind of like that and Evan Gilly and like the light beings, I mean, yes, yeah, I think that's what there are that if they if like the light beings of you, it's an allegory stuff exactly exactly, Evan Gillian, is an allegory for like phenomenon, the phenomenon and the awaken of the awakening of consciousness. Yeah, and like I believe these esoteric groups all have the knowledge of the phenomenon and

they know that it's about spiritual or like an esoteric awakening. We all learn the secrets and the mysteries of consciousness, and that's why they're trying so hard to teach us all that it's all aliens UFOs. We all have to be material, live that life, chasing money and don't worry about the spiritual mystical things, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, it's crazy, man, I recommend Evin Gillian. We got the official stamp of approval. Yes,

it's it's on my all time esoteric. Yeah, we should like compen draft up a list like official list of Yeah, and that would make it, that would make it so. Yeah, thanks Raymond, Yeah, thanks for coming. Yes, this this, we'll do it again for sure. Yeah, we got to that. I want to do that the episode. Hey, okay, yeah you don't like that, let's do it. You don't like it, yeah, we'll do it sure. So hopefully you guys enjoyed this. We definitely plan to do maybe this will wet your whistle.

We plan to do Akira and Princess Mononoke relatively soon, so, but we're also going to space them out for those people who don't know anime. But right, trust me, weves but trust me, this stuff is so deep and spiritual. It's honestly, it's interesting to hear about either way. It's it's just real. It's interesting to see the symbolism and the visual whoa the mt like visuals and Emma Gillian and yeah, all right, you know how we wrap it up? Right? All right, let's do it three two

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