BIG FACTS feat. ED DAVIS (CHECKMATE SPORTS)

The day we are very very very very happy to have and David, CEO and founder of check Makes Sports in the building. And he is also the son of the legendary Big Duke from Boys in the Hood. Right, Yes, I said, I'm his first born man. Yeah, when you started, when you started to come. So we launched Checkmate Sports in two thousand nineteen. Got into the industry about two thousand sixteen, working with other agents, interning, trying to you know, find my way in and then eventually learned the game.

I said, you know what, I'm just gonna go ahead and start Chetmate. So we launched in two thousand nine. Team have been up and running ever since. And what made you decide to go that route because the average so that the average, the average young black man wants to play sports a rap. Let's just keep it, you know what I'm saying. So what made you decide, man, I want to go be an Asian and help it's not their money up kind of got him along the

right path and all that ship. Man, that's a good question. Honestly, seeing my dad in the music industry, you know he started out with Suave House, Social Death and all that, and just seeing him basically he was giving me the game at such a young age, like, man, this music industry ain't what you think it is. And so instead of it turned me on and trying to get into I was like, all right, pops, well you did this. You know you're giving me the game. I'm gonna go

ahead and I'm gonna go this way. So I used to tell you some of the bullshit they're going on in there from day one, like what some of the things, what some of the some stuff I ain't even say that, but it's some stuff. You know, that a lot of a lot of stuff going, you know, casting couches and craziest type of stuff to get into the industry. And it was something that I wasn't, you know, just morally

just it just it wasn't aligned with that. So I said, you know what, Um, either I was gonna try to be a producer, a DJ or something like that, but I just didn't have the skill set for But I played ball. I was a quarterback, was really good at that. I said, you know what, this my lane. So I've been rocking with that ever since. Yeah, that's how I go. You ain't forcing, you ain't trying to force something that you ain't feel, right, I mean, at least you got

something to you. So right now, I got about five. We got two guys that went into the league. Travis Read from South Alabama, we got him to the Colts and Christian Angelo from Hempton University. He ended up going to the New York Giants. And now the cool thing about that is we did that in the heart of the pandemic. So we launched check Make Sports in two thousand nineteen, and it was crazy because our first draft class ended up going into the draft in two thousand twenty.

But we all know what happened in two thousand and twenty with COVID. So our first year we're coming out the gate trying to make a name for ourselves. We put about kids, these guys training and then comes for you know, when it gets ready for them to go to Pro Day in March two thousand and twenty, they shut everything down. So when you put the twenty or thirty thousand into their training and you know what I'm saying, all of that stuff, how do you guarantee that you

recoup There's no guarantee. That's Gere breaking artists, You're breaking athletes. That's what we're doing. That's that's the crazy part about it. How hard it ben Ship like, man, It's it's it's difficult anything I think, in any in any industry when you're black, especially when going into the industries where we're not known. You know, like if you start the record label's cool, you know what I'm saying, We don't see

bird Man. We see people who did it. But when you get into the sports world and that good old boy network, it's a little difficult. Um. And that's why I had to launch Chat Make Sports because I was interning for other agents trying to get in, but they were always little brother me, you know what I'm saying. They would just made me do a little you know bs word microsoftic sales stuff like that. So I said, you know what, I'm just gonna stand my bread up.

And then you know, we took off with chetmate for sure. What's your stuff? Your stuff, your whole stuff? Black that. Yeah, I used to have the expanding guy, but he ended up started his little agency and stuff like that. We put them on, but right now it is all black on. OK. So what's your how you well, what is your approach to keep athletes like on the proper path to get to that level of that draft because keeping the real we don't have athletes say that, keep it real like

I smoked lane or do this or do that? You know what I'm saying. But you obviously know now this is your investment. You don't put money into him. It's a little different than the wrapper. Keep it healthy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, what's some of the ship you do to keep them negging straight in? Now? Right? Another thing that could suck these athletes up to the women. Know what I'm saying. Someone can have vices with women,

be going to crazy, they on practice day focus. You know what I'm saying That that that can suck it up. So how you keep them how you keeping focus on outside looking in. When you're a fan or when you just watch the game as a novice, you know you wonder why certain players stay in the lead longer than others.

And then when you start to get in an agent or in the industry where you're investing in these players, you start to respect guys like Lyric Fish, jerr Than Jerry Rice and guys who got the talent and stay out of trouble. But to be honest, most of these guys, man there, it's it's they got the egos, a lot of them with divas and stuff like that. But that's

why they need the diva's. Man. Man, I had a guy I got him to the league and I ain't gonna say his name, but it was crazy because I got him to the league after all the pandemic stuff. It was crazy. He got to be one of the two people. But you know, so't gonna but he get him to the league, right. He called me four am. I think he got arrested. Something crazy to happened. I picked up the point, like what's going on? I feel like jarryguis somebout here goes He's like, man, I want

to come home. I said, but what what happened? He's just like man um. I walked into in the in the in the team room and I seen the depth chart and I was like, okay, what happened? Man? They had me last on it on the depth chart. I said, Okay, then what happened? Nothing, that's it. I'm last. I'm like, you're probably not gonna play. You was un undrafted. You be happy there, you know what I'm saying there? And so we had it was like five am. Had to

call his mom's dad. We're sitting on the phone. We're just having a whole little uh were trying to keep him from jumping off the cliff. So that right there was my first little thing, like, man, these guys that that mentally their egos and stuff like that, Like they need a team around him because it's a lot of pressure on them. You know, they all get hit in the head. You know, that's just a part of the football.

What the kind of question with that? I think he's talking about the CTV and yeah, you think that was not that had anything to do with it. Now, I mean, he was a rookie, so he ain't been in the league that long. But it's just the you know, the nerves and stuff like that. That's all everybody getting hit in the motherfucking right. Hey, so what kind of D What kind of D should ship? Man you believe it or not, man um. A lot of times the athletes get a bad, bad rap, but it's the people around them.

You know. When you get into the industry, you start realizing that it would be the handlers, the middleman, the mom, the dad, the cousins, who more Hollywood than the actual athlete. You know. So that's the stuff that you have to deal with as an agent. You know, if you're trying to talk to a player, they may be locked in

on football, they locked in on basketball or whatever. But then you have to go out here, say, okay, talk to my uncle, talk to my dad talking about you know, so now you gotta go talk to the dad who talking to three other agents, you know, who may promise them a job, promise them you know x amount. So it's a lot of stuff similar to the music industry. It's that it's the same thing. It's just instead of

they rapping, they throwing the football catching it. It's funny, it's one of these guys I was recruiting and I actually drove up to his house. You know, I went in and I went into the house. Uh, buddy, put me onto him. I walked in the house. They had twenty tho dollars and once on the table. So I'm looking around. I'm thinking like, okay, this is set up,

like what's going on? Come to find out his dad owned a I can't say what it because the people are linking, but he owns a business where he needs a lot of ones, you get it. So they he there cash, you know, counting money on the table stuff like that. So I'm like, okay, I ain't gonna say, but I'm just I look. I'm like, okay, you know that's what's up. You know what I'm saying, Like, I see what already with this conversation, go ahead. So I do my little pitch, you know, and then at the

end they're looking at me. They're like, okay, so you know, if I feel it, like what's up? What y'all got to say? Let's let's say it. And it was like, you know what, you're gonna gonna put some money up aside. I'm like, so I sit back in the chair like, oh man, it's gonna be one of these conversations. So, yeah, I was making some money. I mean, that's cool, but I just has to make let me say that's cool, it's that's I understand that that's part of the game.

But a lot of times people, you know, be throwing out astronomical numbers. So what solo? Let me let me see this. So what an agent job to do? When I come to you? How am I selling myself to you? Like if you come if I was if I was a prospect right now, what would you come tell me and my family if he was a First of all, we want to make sure that you're gonna be the focal point of our you know agency. A lot of times players go to the agencies that have a hundred clients.

What I'm saying, I'm already that, I'm already that, I'm already him. I'm already that nigga. What you're gonna tell me to make me basically, what I'm gonna do is just show them that we're gonna work for him, fight for him, and have their best interest at heart. You know, we took two guys that were under the radar and that was unranked, you know, Travis and Christian from HBCUs so imagine what we can do for a player like

you from Georgia, Alabama, USC things like that. So we're gonna make sure that what I'm saying, I get what you're saying. I'm saying is I'm already that nigga coming out of high school. I know I'm gonna be the ship's But you're trying to sign me. What are you telling me? You're telling me some ship that I'm already that's already gonna happen. And he's probably hearing it. Let's just keep it real. He probably hearing it. Even though

you're the black agent. He at his heart he want to funk with you, But here hearing it from the white agency. Like what you're gonna say special? You know what I'm saying. Yeah, at the end of the day, it ain't something special to say. It's just building that relationship. Everybody's gonna say the same thing. But who you wrought with you know who's gonna be there. Yeah, that's that's what it is. At the end of the day. We all got the same money, We're all gonna pay for

the same training, we all passed the same example. We all can do negotiate the same contracts. It's just who do you like, who do you relate with? Some ball here telling me he couldn't get me got dam two or three on a thousand and he already got god damn. They can't do that though, Yeah, what you mean they can't do that? But it is Yeah, so what you mean, Oh, so when they ask you for money, that's illegal. That's why I'd be like, you know, we gotta sit back

and stuff like that. But I mean, it's illegal. But then there's ways that people maneuver around you. Go ahead, Ja, ask your question, Jake, go ahead, go ahead about that. I already asked answer that. I guess. It's like it's not not doing that. It's like it's like choosing a lawyer, Like it's the lawyer that you trust or the manager or whatever. So it's just a nigga to go represent you like a man. That's what the sports they put a little bit into you because they got to get

you training ship. What about the niggas, like we know how you see the nigg in the hood like funk with all the athlete coming up and make sure they go to the middle man. Oh, they didn't need to bring it to the age they get paid. They like the A and R. So they're gonna find the town. Then they go take it to the aging, they go take it to whoever. Yeah, so they get paid to know what I'm saying, on the back end, finders figure or some right on the back if that player blows.

But I heard say the percentage with the agent, like I think it's like fou pucent, they give you a five percent. A lot of that stuff is is really they're not supposed to be doing that. So if I've been taking to take care of you because you can't do it as age saying that, yeah, a lot of that stuff that they're doing is is under the table. You get what I'm saying. But it ain't supposed to be like that. So this is the out the thing

that they've been saying about college athletes. Right that's why that this passed and right now they can get some before that is one of the nes to starve. And that's where everybody has been kind of protesting the n C Double A and all that ship because it's like you can't do nothing, you can't do that, you can

get no money here. All you can do is play football and go to go to class don't make sense because a lot of these niggas coming from nothing and their family at home fucked up, and you're telling me I can't get no money. So why you know they're gonna do something legal ships? Exactly? I got to gotta take some type of risk. I don't want this, ain't guarantee. Is the one thing about that one thing and go wrong?

You take one hit, you know what I'm saying. And the crazy part is the universities, the coaches, everybody else making millions of dollars, but the players and athletes they not. They always getting short. What's like marketing for for like? So that the best way I can explain it is I feel like athletes are now the new influences. So you know how you got Jake Paul and these guys making money and dollars, but now they're trying to get into boxing. But now you've got guys like you know,

just think of Reggie Bush when he was coming out. Say, when these guys were megastars, but they wasn't able to capitalize off of it. But now if you've got four or five million followers, you can hook up with a UH supplement company. You can hook up with up and coming Nike or something like that, and promoted to your brand, you know, to your social media, and now you get paid.

And that's gonna change the landscape for ages because now if you were a big firm and you just say hey, so and so, I'm gonna throw you a hundred thousand dollars if you're a freshman, been making you know, to three million a year, a hundred thousands on men, you know, So now it's not it's no longer about who got the bigger bag. It's really about the right thing. Who do you relate to, who do you trust, and who

do you feel you know got your best interests. So that's why, you know, I'm really excited and I'm mos focused now on the college athletes because it gives you a step ahead because a lot of these agents don't know who the best players are. They just wait to see who ESPN say, oh he's a number one player, and then they go throw backs. They got the mud. They don't know, They don't know the real talent to

everybody else knowing. So for ages like me and people who really know the game, you know, you be knowing these guys night tim grade years, you know, build that relationship with them, and then when they become superstars, you already got you already locked there, you already got So what's your what's what you do is something that happens.

So sometimes a rapper might be signed to a CEO one to three records or whatever the case is, right, and then I don't know, the eyes might get big and somebody might get in the end and they'll be like, man, I don't want to be with you no more. I want to be with them. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, crazy at the top of the Bailly on top. That's

how I'm doing on the commercial. So how how would you deal with an athlete that you went and got out the mud, put the money into them, training them all that ship, and somebody got his and be like, bro, I don't want to be with you no more. I want to go be with the mother folks. I think the first thing you gotta do is you can't take it personal because that's just part of the business and you treated just like a relationship with your significant other.

It's always gonna be somebody trying to get at them. But if you're doing your job, doing right by all you can do is just trust and hope that you know the right thing. But do people get in their ear most definitely. But that's why you gotta have certain things in place where if I put X amount of dollars in you and you go somewhere else, I need to get that back. So that's how it go. Okay. So what's some of the other ship that that you thought about getting into other than sports or some other

business or some other ship you've got going on? Man. So the cool thing about what I did was it was so hard for me to get into the industry. And I noticed, you know, it was difficult, and I thought it was like just being a black guy into into the industry. I said, man, it's you know, the good old boy network. But come to find out, it was a lot of ages that looked like me that wasn't helping me out get into it. Those were the guys. It wasn't just the Caucasian people. Now it's not a cover,

it's an outside thing. Is the people on the inside. They like being on the inside. They don't want to keep you, they don't want to keep us in there. So I mean, you know, and the cool, you know, crazy thing is my um my principal from high school. He was actually an agent. You know. I've reached out to him a couple of times, try to intern with them. Never gave me an opportunity, So I kind of took

that to heart. I was like, well, you know what, when I had my breakthrough, I'm gonna do something where we can help people not just like me, just people just want to get in have an opportunity. So what we did was we actually launched the check Make Sports Agent master Class in janeweary and since Jane, where we've helped over seventy people, you know, become sports agents. And the cool thing about it is they do it without having to go to law school, so you don't have to.

Is your your classes able to certify them to do what they need to do, and then you can certify an they can go through your ship and become a license actual credentials. Yeah. Cool think about it is because I actually heard about hill Um last year during the summertime. Another agent I was talking to. He was like, man, you know, Neil's gonna come out. I think that's gonna change the game. And I'm always one of those people who try to see, you know, stuff before it happens.

So I ended up doing my research and I said, man, this is this is a game changing. We don't have to invest in these you know, these athletes, no more going to the league. We can get them in freshman sophomore year for for nothing, just building that relationship and then do right by me and and then ride that way. So I ended up writing the book The n I L Goal rushed back in November, and then we launched the company, um, the program in janewear, and since then,

I mean, it's been amazing. So holding up man, Yeah, man, I hope you see to push forward man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy because, um, I've noticed that a lot of these other agents, you know, the big time agents that we all hear about, it's not because they were you know, some smart guys something something like that. It's just somebody it out for him, you know, somebody brought him in. And I noticed a lot of people in other communities they were bringing me Oh you're sawing, nephew,

come on, you know what I'm saying. But for us, I'm like, oh yo, you look like me. Listen. That was like it kind of pushed you away because they liked being the only one in there. So I was like, okay, well, you know we're gonna flip the script, and that's what we've been doing. So let me ask you this. So when you were in high school, did you is this something that you wanted to do or is this something that you just kind of like figured would be the best way for you to kind of get out of

what you were doing. Are you interested in sports and ship? Yeah, of course I played. I played football. It's a high school quarterback. So I wouldn't to go to the league, of course, like everybody. And then I came out. I came out with Cam Newton and Russell Wilson, and I was because Cam Newton six five, maybe this ain't gonna work. So I had to pivot. And I was like, it was either between being a coach and being and an agent.

And then I just like the lifestyle. I liked the control of my income of an agent, and I like being an advocate in bent to fight for these players. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to agent round and that's what happened. So you had to take a class to go to school for the ship. Yes, So originally the way that we've all known to become an agent, and you either have to go to law

school or you have to get your masters. So I ended up going to Virginia State from my undergrad went to Georgia State, got my masters, and then took the certification exam for the NFL and did it that way. Man. I actually took the exam in two thou eighteen. Right. It's sixty questions. Um, it was forty two to pass. I got forty seven, right, And that's how the NFL act.

Right after we took the exam, they said, you know what, too many people passed the exam, so we're gonna move the score from a forty two to a forty eight. So I got only seven. Yeah, So I get it in the mail. I see you made forty seven out of yes, I passed. That's good. And then they said, but we ended up because they said it's a scaled exam. They said, so on, so many people passed it, so we moved it to a forty eight. I said, why

so the crazy things? You only could take it once a year, so I had to wait an entire year study all over again. Lock in, you know, locking, because that test ain't easy. And I ended up passing it the following take the example and uh, but the cool thing is now with the new law that passed, now you don't have to do that anymore. So you can't take it without your master. No, well you gotta he your regularly exactly, but now you can. Now you don't have to do that anymore. Now you don't have to

go to law school. You don't have to have your masters. But the industry don't want you to know that, because of course they want to keep making all the money. So with the new law that passed in July first that allows student athletes to get paid. Now, all you have to do is go through a certification program like what we offer, and you can become aging thirty days. So this is something that the Big Facts found was like our listeners of people would ask some questions like this, right,

what kind of money? And do an agent make? What kind of money is really in this ship? So high end everybody knows rich Paul right, yeah, so last year, cording to Force, he made forty five millions and he was like number right, number nine. Now Scott Boris is always ringing number nine agent, Yeah, right, number nine. I think it's eight or nine for the top ten highest paid agents for two thousand and twenty, so in the calendar year in the pandemic he made forty five million.

Now Scott Boris is number one. They ranked him. I think he made soccer players and no baseball. He got all the baseball players, so he did a hundred and sixty million, and then second was the soccer guy. He ended up doing like a hundred and ten million. So the thing about being an agent, it's a bunch of bs to get to the other side. But once you get in that top ten, it's crazy because you think about it. Scott Booris made a hundred and sixty million,

Lebron made eighty, Floyd made like a hundred. Messy made like a home because he multiple gets ages and making more money than the players. So it's, uh, it's a lot of money. Yeah. So but I'm saying on the ground level, like just getting into it, like the ground levels, just like anything music, uh, Wall Street, the top twenty percent of the ones who making all the money, everybody

else pretty much you can. But I mean when I say making all the money, making the millions eight nine figures, now you can get in and you can make you know, a hundred thousand here and there, But you don't become an agent to make six figures. I made six figures before I became an agent. You become an agent to make millions, you know, like sick money, you know what

I'm saying. So that's what you're doing. If you're doing it for a hundred thousand, you can go do host the real estates and stuff like that to get that. But for this, this is strictly five, ten, twenty hunter million. When you're when you're scouting, like your prospective clients and stuff like that, Um, what do you do to kind of, for lack of a better way to put it, rail them in and maintain that relationship all the way up until it's time for them to actually get signed. So

when it just depends on how you coming. If you're coming in with a bag, if you got you know, so so and so behind you put about two or three million, you can go in and do pretty much what you want to do. But most people coming in how I came in with, you know, chromes compared to them, You got to find the diamonds in the rough, so

you got to really know the talent. So that's why we went after the guys went after our first year because we knew that the bigger agents wasn't gonna be on them, So we had to go find those guys, build that relationship, and then you know, hopefully it blossom into the league in the next level. But I mean, like on a personal level, how do you what do you do to kind of like keep them under your wing so that they don't go with something what I

think I think, or keep them loyal to you. I think the best thing to do is just be a professional. You know, sometimes agents or people who want to get into industry, they want to be the friend. They want to be the buddy. They got enough friends, they got enough buddies. They need somebody that they can trust when ship hit the fan. They want to make sure that, Okay, my agent know what he's doing. My agent gonna stand

on the table for me. He don't protect me. So as long as you're being a professional, doing right by them, not lying, you know, being upfront with them, I think that's the way the best practice. I mean, everybody has what works for them, but I think that is the best way to maintain that relationship because if you go

in trying to be a friend. Then your client gonna turn into a diva and now they're gonna start calling you at you know, making you know, just treating you like a servant, you know, and you don't want to be that. You wanted to be mutual respect amongst you and your clients. So what you do when you see that man, Okay, I can see he got a little bit of that ship in him. He gonna go straight. I don't do it. I don't deal with it. My

first first couple of years, I dealt with it. You know what I'm saying, just trying to break my name. But now that I got my name, I don't deal with it because the money ain't it ain't worth it, you know. It's just man. The worst thing that having no client is a bad client. I tell people that all the time, because they're gonna call you, they're gonna blow your phone up, and then they're not gonna do

the right thing. The worst thing you can do is stand on the table for a player, you know, put up X amount of dollars, call a team, fight for me to get a workout. And then he get there and then he got he got an attitude problem, or he doing the wrong thing, because then what's gonna happen now with those teams gonna be like, who who's guys? This? That's it guy. So now if I got another guy called, they're gonna be like, I don't know. So that's why you don't want to attach your name to you know,

players like that. In the league is different front the music industry. You know, the league is real. If you don't act right, they're gonna get you up out of there, you know what I'm saying. So I realized that I take the same approach they take. They're not going to invest in the player million. So why should I invest in my player, you know, into a player if they're

not acting right? But should should? Should athletes be aware of the flashy agent because some agents, some agents go get a lot of ship jury watches, cars and all that ship the kind of real them in but they really don't be knowing the business. I don't heard that too, you know what that that's what everybody say. But I had that model do what winners do. And I hate to say that, but that's what people like. You know, people like that that that flashiness. I don't do it.

I'm dabbling into it a little bit. But it's just not me personally, you know what I'm saying. I just I'm more of a substant guy over flash um, just because you know, growing up in the music industry on the inside, I've seen everybody. Everybody thought had money, you know what I'm saying. I saw the flag. I grew up early ninety, so I saw Atlanta. I'm like, yeah, it looked good on TV. And then I'm seeing them coming back, you know, sleeping on somebody couch. You know.

So I don't really care about the flash. I care about the substance. But you know, some ages they win with that. But I don't think it's gonna last because athletes are no longer going to be broke. You know, if I come to the table and I've been eating Raymond, you know, eating Raymond noodles for the last four years, and then somebody dropped a hundred thousand dollars, that's like, whoa, Okay,

that's cool. But if you know, with this name image of lightness, now athletes getting hundred hundred thousand dollars for a post, so that's like okay. And a lot of these agents who flashy, they cover it up, you know, they cover up being corny, they cover up not relating to their these Yeah, so it's just like that. It's like, all right, I can't, I ain't. I ain't got a mouthpiece, I can't relate. So you know what, take all this money, take all his money. And the bad part about that

is it's just it's a transaction. It's like if you buy your significant other, if you pay for she's gonna be she's gonna be out the first time she hit the fan. But if you gotta organic relationship, she's gonna be there with you. That's why a lot of times athletes get out the league or they're get in a bad spot and they call the agent. The agent like, dude, I got ninety other clients. I'm gonna go rot with them. You know, I see you later. Because it's a transaction,

it's like, hey, I put the money up. You do your part. But those agents who went in for the right reason, they're gonna be there and they're gonna fight for him. What's some value of ship your pops taught you, dude, just on some life ship outside of sportsman, to be just some life ship, how to how to move around out here? Anything? Told me a five minute decision could change your life. A five minute decision can change your life.

I mean, and you just think about that, from from sex to drugs too freaking you know, pulling the trigger. You know, anything you can do in five minutes that could change a whole outlook on life. So when he said that, um, that was that really stuck with me. A lot of stuff. I remember. I remember when um, the R. Kelly stuff came out back in the day and I was talking to Pops like Pops, um, I don't think he did he rich And I remember I was driving down Brown's and me or I was going

to football. He pulled a call. He looked, he said, hey, man, don't you ever say that? Man? And I didn't realized that at the time. You get what I'm saying. But he was just like, you can never put anything past people because of money. And I was just you know, and it's stuck with me. And he always a lot of stuff that he said back then. It didn't hit me until I got older and I just started realizing, like, man, he really he really put me up on game and you know, shout out to Pops and shout out to

shout out to shout out to my mom. She just her cancer went too remission. I'm really I'm really happy about that because that came out of nowhere and she beat that. So she's shout out to her because that was dope to see her. And you're from the east side, Yeah, Stone Stone Mountain, Ye going to race? Yeah, Yeah, we're on the upcome man a lot. You know back that they used to be the cat you know now everybody, all the motors and shakers coming out of Stone Mine.

So what's the most iconic song gonna last ten ft ten years? Please don't say swag serve? Yeah it is we got We got no offense to this wag serving people. But that ship be that is the biggest ship crazy because that ship like swas surfing is not I don't know about to play some wife changing and niggas that came from Stone Mountain. I can name thirty niggas that came from the West Side that didn't change. Are they relevant right now? Talking about everybody? Who are you talking about?

I'm talking about plenty of people. We got the Stone shout to the whole hotel and all the surrounding yet to everybody. But I am curious of who some of these Stone Mountains. Okay, I'm curious. I'm just curious. I'm not signing. So that's time I checked. Switch Beaks was from Stoneman. Is a don't you coman? I'm hey, yeah, Stoneman really one and a half. Okay, yeah, because this

nigga claims New York. Come on, no, he's not. He he got we got got damn sweat, sir, and child is gonna be the child got beano who Let's take swa out there, y'all. Man, he's from New York. Okay, we got we got me easy easy running the city right now? Facts that out of me? Yeah, we got and um and I'm just thinking about like that's enough. Yeah, that's enough. Yeah, that's got mountain, I would read to say. And then we got the sports World. We got Mars Shawn.

We got Drew who plus Mars Shawn Brooks. Oh yeah yeah yeah, we had Drew end up going to the nigga Java. They turned up. You got me reading for industry, yeah, oh up, pretty tight? Pretty oh yeah yeah so Stone you know, turn off? Yeah, yeah, here for the boys. Not about the whole ship started at the eight room right there on the More. I always that boy Stone Mount scream, I said my whole ship. I didn't say Screen, but he running the Fitness World Facts Stone. It sounds

like east Side. It sounds like if y'all want me to start naming all day with the east Side so we can go out. But what we're doing, what's next? Screen was moving on? So what the future looked like for you, man? The future is bright. Um. Honestly, when I first got into the industry, I felt like it was a race to race to the bottom because if you had a bag, you wasn't going to beat these

big ages. You know what I'm saying. You can go in there trying to be cool and all that, but it was coming in with a crazy check and money talk. But now with this new this new Neil, it changed the game. The landscape is it's a it's a blue ocean, and I feel like it's the wild wild West right now.

So as far as our company and check Make Sports, we're getting into the space of more representing UM athletes, professional and student athletes on the marketing side and educating people so that they can do it because it's a lot of moms, it's a lot of dads who got sons and daughters who may not be Reggie Bush, but they can make money. And that's big because everybody's not going to make it to the NFL. Everybody's not gonna make it to MLB, They're not gonna make it to,

you know, the NBA. Do you tell your clans that day one, like, Bro, you might not make it to the NFL, Because any rapper I've ever funt with, I'll tell them like, you might not make it, Bro. The first thing, if you want me to funk with you, you need to know that you might not make it. Bro. I tell them because at that point I feel like they're gonna make it. You might not stay. You might

not stay. That's what you pretty much because I really don't try to go after guys that ain't gonna make it, but the guy I feel like, if you don't do what you're supposed to do, you may not stay. So I feel like, as far as for our company, with this Neil, we can help guys. And that's powerful because now you can make generational wealth at the college level, you know, so you don't have to make it too because think about t Bow, think about think about what's

his name, the human Johnny Johnny football. Ye had a cold following and ain't make it in the lead. But if you can cash in, you know, five ten million in college or in high school because now high school athletes can get paid. Yeah, when they got started letting you only get their money earlier, and that could change that.

But I think the field that is when they that type of money that early, and I want them to I want them to cash out, they probably gonna be able to stay focused, but get focused on some motion ship right then might getting focus on I'm just saying a young person. I'm not even saying that. This means you go to college, You go to seventeen years old, and we all have five million dollars, all four of us different five million dollars. Everybody would have a different situation.

That's why you're here. That's why I think. I think. I think if you give the niggas the money early, that will prevent them from turning in a mc hammer. M hmm. What you like when he was older and fucked it up, sucked it all the way up. If you if you give them the money early and they sunk up a little bit of it while they're still young, they have plenty of time to grow into adults and to understand and mature with the money and understand what

they're supposed to do with it. As appolised tug let down, I agree with what you're saying. What she say, finish of the story is if you give a nigga some money while he's young, if he foks a little bit of it up when you give it to him, then he still has to do with that money. If you give an old nigger somebody yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it's black with eighty million. Yeah yeah, come down the money management and stuff like that. It goes both way.

But she says, she's saying, when you you you still got a shot because your talent still, I'm saying, I feel like you'll do more good than harm. So it's you because it's gonna help the help you and your family out. You get what I'm saying. It's a lot of times I'll be going to recruit players. I see players and their mom don't have a dollar to get something. That's and that's crazy because you see, you know, their son or daughter. Everybody is staying got their jersey on,

you know, but mom can't get a hot dog. And yeah, the players can't get a job because they got to be a football practice. Oh yeah, you get what I'm saying. So it's all that's changing now. So I think if you like a rock and heart, why they just can't get a soundary the college college just make billions because the thing is they like to control the players. Yeah, but they still just motivated pay them. Nigga. I feel like they're paying them in scholarship education, which is get

your education, but it's some bullshit. It's like I need to That's why they started. Let me need to get their own money. So by the time I mean school, going through the school ship getting money, I might figure out something else of business before I even get to that that they want to control you. Yeah, so you stay here for these two or three four years, make us a whole bunch of money. We don't get you

stay years and then you might go to the league. Right, but you know how that can it is what it is, so outside of your agency, Like what type of ship do you to do in your free time? And do you have like a family? You got kids and ship? Yeah. I actually just got married, uh in two thousand and twenty September to my longtime longtime girlfriend five years September September six. Now I I can feel it now, September six,

September six. So we end up making an official pandemic taught me a lot, you know it really, you know, at that time alone in isolation, you know, made you made me realize how important family was. You got kids, no, not yet, So we planned we want to enjoy a year together and then so you know, we'll see what happens next year. So what kind of ship do you like to do? Honestly? I saw the sports. I'm real big into just um self development and just money management.

So I'm big into real estate, crypto um investing, things like that. So I pretty much do what everybody do as far as um. You don't like the travel or nothing, you know, I worked for Delta for teen years and I could fly throwing bags under the plane bag of channel, and so I've been able to fly since twenty so I'm pretty much flew out from then and then just traveling. Guys, Honestly, I just like being at home. I like relaxing and

bills paid. You got any like any games or anything that you like to play, like board games and ship? You know what man, I sound real boring. I was like, I don't play. I like to read books. Man, I'm real. If you got a day when you want to just get on some bullshit, not extreme bullshit, but if you said, man, the day off to be on some bullshit and maybe go to the Cheetah and get me oh yeah, so still club stuff like that. I mean, yeah, I'm I'm a kind of stour of that. Ye let him know.

I was that Stroker's last night a matter of fact. So that was cool, and it was it was more stunting east Side, yeah, you know, and it was It was funny because when I was walking in, uh you know, you take your your your idea, get a dude, your idea whatever. And he was like, hey, I know you. So I think he knows me through my dad or do Funky or brand of My brother would always be over there. He was like, you have sports age to do, right. I was like yeah yeah. He was like oh yeah, man,

I've seen your your class. Man, um, I want to mess with you to take my number, and so I put my hands up to get was like, man, you're good man. Going in. I was like cool, Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Everybody mess him up, but he was cool man. He sold a lot of love man, and um, you know, but yeah, I definitely parted in the city, but I grew up in that DJ pretty ull take Travis Porter, you know Roscoe Dad. So we was at Frequency big all that. So I partied. Man,

I've done everything I wanted to do. The thing I want to do now is at third I said, I want to make real money. You know what I'm saying. I got enough experience, I got enough locker room war stories to tell everyone, Oh yeah I did all this, But now, you know, can I change my family life? Fact? You know what I'm saying. If I have a son and have a daughter, can I change they? Like? Can they? Can they call me and say, hey, Pops, I want this job. Made that call. That's what I'm focused on

right now. So party and stuff, I feel like that's pre thirty. You know what I'm saying. Cool, now get a bad then go party you know what that that's what you want to do. But right now we're just focusing on, you know, bad talk. You're also a massive Big Facts fan too. We salute you for that. Most definitely, most definitely what was like two and three your favorite episodes. I love the one with a bird Man. You know, the Birdman is an underrated genius when it comes to

that music. You know, I like bird Man. Um, that's funny. I like the guy, the pimp guy. Yeah, his what's interesting. It was really a lot of people. Yeah. I liked him. Yeah, I was that was that was choosing ship. I got chose done. Um. So on the on the business side, I like Aristotle stuff too. I like his stuff. So yeah I personally no, I don't. I know people got work with him, but now I don't know him personally.

We got to hook that up. Yeah, do that cool and shout putting up let he say you upset up here. We appreciate you be coming through my brother absolutely check out any final words for the people, man some games from knowledge and how to get some money, how to stay out of bullshit, whatever you want to tell the people. Um. If I leave you guys with anything, I think my life changed when I became coachable. You know, prior to me becoming prior to me being thirty, I always had

minimal success. But I never had that breakthrough where you know, I could get to seven figures. I always was stuck, you know what I'm saying at a certain point. And then when I got third, I said, you know what, my you know, my New Year's resolution was just to learn, you know, not trying to be the smartest guy in the room, you know, just find somebody who who know more than me and just be coachable. If they say do this, do it, you know. And ever since I

did that, I had a breakthrough. My life has been up. You know you're saying financial breakthrough came from just listening. Yeah, because sometimes we read a book. We read riched that for that and then the first thing we do we hop on the internet at like we got all figured out. We get we get one dollar off a bitcoin, and now we Dave Ramsey, you know, we know everybody, you know.

And so I was one of those guys because I read Rich that part that Risch, that part of that twenty so I've always been at and I said, you know what, I'm sick of that. I don't want to be the smart guy. Don't know who's smarter than me, and it's showing. And then I went and got next to them and I just learned and I soaked it up. And then from that I realized everybody who around me was successful, was married, you know. So then I said,

well maybe I need to get married. My girl been here for five years, she's been, you know, holding me down. I said, let me go get married. And uh And it was because when I losing their bitches. Man, this ship, Man, that should be fun. You lose your girl, bro, why do you think they're losing them? Know? What's that about? No, I'm been locking then what I've been locking in thirty years? Man,

I ain't going Okay, cool cool cool? But yeah, I just felt like to you know, having the right one significant other, Yeah, that should help take something from you too, when you when you got the wrong one. Yeah, not when you when you lose that one. Oh yeah, that whole Yeah. Man, Why do you think people, I mean, why are you thinking? Why you think people they don't be working out that pandemic? I think the pandemic pandemic a lot of relationships. It's either made a stronger fuck

them up. Yeah, because you actually got to see who this person will all day, all night. You know what I'm saying. I gotta be locking in with you know, I gotta I see flaws that I never would have saw you know what's interesting, I realized that most people get married for the wrong reason. Wrong reason. I feel like, you know, you're signing a marriage contract because it's a business decision. You get it. So when whoever you married,

they should be an asset. They should make you better because you guys are coming together, combining in wealth, and so it's not just you know, love is important, but it also has to make sure that this is a good business decision. That way, because love and stuff like that can be fleeting. It could it's temporary, but at the end of the day, you still got to do business. What you think is a business decision. You know, it

depends on your situation. So if you got twenty million dollars and then you're marrying somebody who you know down bad, you know that might be a bad decision. And and I know it sounds you know what I'm saying it would you rather have the almost equally yo partner that ain't gonna really be loyal to that you're using you don't give a funk about you? Are they equally yoke?

What I'm not saying what I'm saying financially financially, but they're on some bullshit or would you rather have this person? I look, I don't have nothing willing to learn. Women to shut the funk up and follow you, help you build empire. And that's a good business de season because they're gonna listen, you get what I'm saying. But if you got somebody they got bad financial this is then that might hurt you. So I just feel like, you know,

they got to be a business partner and romantic as well. Okay, I think that. I think that it help. I feel like, yeah, I feel like I had twenty million dollars again, whoever, No, if I had twenty million dollars and I married somebody who didn't have as much money, that means I love right right for for them? Yeah, you love them for them? Yeah? Yeah, for them. That's why I shouldn't be But why just

look at something about them for then? I signed a contract for that though, if you love her, just move her into your house, take care of for the rest of your life. And that's real ship. I signed a country, I signed a contract. Yeah, could that be that real ship? That real ship? Not like what he said, like the end of the day, I can just love you then, Yeah, that's what it is. Why we have to put this. Yeah, but if it's now, we're going to do this to day, Yeah,

saying you just gave them. Yeah, like why should we're married? You're gonna ring in everything you don't like it, But I'm not putting it. I don't know. I don't really I'm not really big on titles and ship like that. So I'm told I'm with that. I can give you the big ring, call you my wife, but we got to do no contract. Basically, how does somebody why is that? Why is that? You know what it is? Because because I got sisters? What the marriage? What the paper do though?

Whole wholesome hold of accountable? Now the paper don't do them. We got them guarantee if you funk up, she get half of the money. Hold you accountable, Washington that money and little Now I don't got to add the money now I put the money in somebody E's names. Not even about the money, like its something's happening. You got to make it and you weren't callherent the laws of our land. She can't make decisions if you're not married. Well,

nigga's understanding that. But you got somebody, Yeah, somebody that's gonna let Lena say, you put a big old rock on the hand. See, but see that ship don't really that ship don't matter because some people don't give a funk about ship like that about big rocks and ship. Like what I'm saying, whatever, whatever that that we do, whatever, what this say? We're married without signing that paperwork. I'm

doing basically like I'm doing everything. I'm taking you out, I'm loving you like a wife, I'm treating you like a white She gonna ask you, why won't you sign the paperwork for? What is that about? I'm just saying that I get what he said, already have signed the mother year. Yes. What I'm saying is if I would have thought about this, like in the end of the day, what are we doing this fun? That's what that's the episode. Now, Yeah, that's a whole episode. Why isn't now why did I

sign that contract? Yeah? Every time I've signed technical, Every time I've signed a contract, I received signing. It's technical for you, all that all that, all that ceremony, ship and all that ships. Every time we signed a contract, they send a wire. Yeah. So when I signed the country got a life Parker on paper. I got her going on weather right, I'm saying, what that paper? Why a motherfucker gotta stand up here the State of Georgia have to tell me I'm married forever. If I'm saying

this ship forever, I don't get that. Why I take a judge or preacher staying tell me that I'm married this woman forever when I'm already sided up for it. That's a fact. But I want to understand it when you when you get made this ship up, playing playing Devil's advocate, when you're a Nigger and you fucking get ready to fucking like do some like funk ship bullshit, that paper makes you think twice not really not given, Jeff bezout. At the end of the day, I love

you enough, but you're gonna having this sheet anyway. That's just how I go. It ain't your bazo and all them to give a funk about getting their wife. I did love you enough for you to have half of this. Take that. I don't care. Go ahead, all right, yeah, if you've been that since the go ahead? So why why do why do people feel like it's going back to losing your wife or your girl, or whatever the case is you want say. But I just gotta throw this out there. I lost my wife. I lost everything.

They put everything with that. No, they had everything, doing everything for them. Melt When you lost everything, you lost your meltal in your heart. Okay. Yeah, So with that being said that we will revisit this sign the paperwork for what? Why not you're gonna sign a record cont I ain't no bett and he just gonna sign record contracts at all. I'm not saying. I'm not taking it away from what I got going on. Bro. I love my wife uncle. Yes, And in the paperwork, don't mean

I don't even know where it said. I ain't seen it almost since I feel you. What I'm saying is she got it. Why the fun is that come out? It's in a safe, It's a contract, That's what it is. You combine it well, but who's who's the Motherfucker's gotta tell me the mother That was the same people that tell you how fast you can drive, how slowly you can drive, stop at the red like it's day. We get that part. I feel you on that ship. I

feel you. But loan is God, no loans men God say this, mel But I think marriages are more for like, so good sign the female validation of because marriage their sisters, family members, auntie, his cousins, daddy's everybody. Like then they can't put a ring on the chat like y'all, don't marry y'all. Like you gotta look at it like back in the day, like marriage was a common practice of the institution of love and finances. Man, ship, they're just making some ship to make a nigga, say heimpo to

have a one bitch man at the end of the day. Alright, marriage is supposed to magazine. We can marry. That's what I'm saying. No, man, they said some they throwed on in the game. Bro, nigga is supposed to be kings. You're supposed to be kings. Man. That's why it ain't enough. That's why it's a shortage on niggas. Listen because it because it's say list hold what you're say. Basically, you study history. Back in the day, all the rich people, so all the Floyd Mayweathers, they could get a hundred

thousands of girls. The problem with that is most people was poor, so they would leave countries and go to other countries where they could get women, and so that would make those countries weak because they didn't have no soldiers and stuff like that. So that's why they make it so that one man, one girl, because if you know, the richest dude got a hunted girls. You know, now these dudes sit around here like man, I'm going to d R you know, and that change power makes sense? Yeah,

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