BIG FACTS feat. CAM KIRK & SONNY DIGITAL

But wherever hell your word, y'all were truly missed in my heart man Likewise Jwise coming back again, but just be happy to be welcome. Cam Kirk Man, you're gonna kicking with us today. I mean you're familiar with Big Facts, so you know we're gonna get into whatever we need to get into. You know what I'm saying. I'm excited. Yeah, ready, let's start. Let's start with a little bit of bragging rights man, Oh, who all have you shot for? Who

are is Cam Kirk shot for? It? Like, put some of them names out there because you're very, you know, very big part of a lot of people's image and their photography and everything, like or you can just say the world minus the world everybody like, Yeah, I've been blessed. I've had a blessed, a blessed career, nine years doing it UM. Most notably in music, I shot UM. I'm known for my work with Gucci, Man The Future, Young

Scooter One, Savage, metro Booman, Ray Schremmer, Mike Will. Pretty much have had to honor to work where everybody coming out to a bigger, small and then on on a company standpoint, which I like to brag about more. It's like Nike, Adidas, Poma, Airbnb, Um, yeah yeah yeah for the money really yeah, what you really want to be at the NBA? Uh? Projects like that, you know, I'm definitely super excited about as well. How do you start?

How you start off a big number? Campra Man. I picked up a camera first because I thought I was gonna be a party promoter. I was always going to be a concert thrower. So in college I booked with Khalifa for a concert It's two thou and ten, and I was really just working around to be honest, like I had never done anything UM in Atlanta. I was just a college student and I had this opportunity. I

booked him. I took out a student loan and after the concert, like I was trying to take a picture with him, my phone was dead, all my friends had left. At this time, I was like cleaning up the space. And after that, I was just like, man, I'm gonna go buy a camera. So next time I do event, I'm gonna have a camera. I'm gonna be able to take a picture with him. Guy's literally as far as I thought about it. And um, after I did that concert, a lot of local artists started to hit me up,

like yo, who are you? What do you do? So I actually got into managing the artist. And then while enaging the artist, I was like, shoot, I'm gonna just use this camera on you. And then from there, you know, I just found a way to make you know, fifty bucks a hunting bucks, just shooting him, his friends, other people, and then it just became something that I fell in

love with for people trying to come up. Though, I think the dopest thing is that you you you created like you you created that, like you went like I remember, he created the culture. That's what I'm saying. Every time you see Metro, you see him taking the pictures. Like he didn't ask for no hand out. He damned there didn't even talk like, no, no, I didn't know your name for a long time. I don't know homie with

the camera, you know what I'm saying. But he made show he got get him in metro confused back in the day like for real, for real, Like that's how No, but that's how like that's how instrumental he was in that whole time period and era because he was always there like that ship was crazy. No, I appreciated that, Like, uh, seeing a lot of you all on my on my come up definitely is special. And I just always love Atlantic for embracing me, like, you know, just being a

kid from out of town. Um, a lot of people. I'm from Maryland originally Peg County, so a lot of the times y'all saw me quiet. It is just because out of respect for that, you know, the culture of the scene. I'm not here to be loud. I'm here to do a job and I'm here to respect what's

going on. Like I always say, as a photographer, is important to note when the document of moment and when the creative moment, and at the beginning of my career was important just to document what I was seeing and not I actually try to disrupt it do too much. So yeah, I was super quiet, kid, I wasn't talking at all. And the studio sessions, I was just happy to be there and just trying to do my job. So how do how do? How do? How do? How

do they work? Like like what they call it when they were talking about the last time, you know, man, I I ain't got into it yet, to be honest, but I'm working on something right now. Um, I don't know. Just looking into it, it sounds like something interesting because right now, you gotta say, I'm a photographer that came up on social media era, so my photos are everywhere on the internet. You know. Once I posted to Instagram, it's being ripped by every magazine posted here here. Like

I just look at people's phones. Sometimes they have a photo I took as a screen saving. I'm like, I just did not give you that photo. I can't give you rights for none of that. So the idea of an n f T for me as a content creator is it's something that I'm interested in because it's really a way that I can control the rights and control how people are using my work online, which is something

that most photographers struggle with. To this day. I mean some of the photos y'all know that's famous that I took. I didn't really make no money off of it, besides maybe the day I got paid for doing it, or whatever the case may be. So the idea of something giving me royalties on a digital use sound amazing to me. Um show, That's why I brought it up. Yeah, I got legendary pictures that you can if you just say, then you do a photo shoot with somebody and you

get them to shoot a single picture and you made that. Yeah, we can make a lot of money together, you know what I mean? Like for sure, but for me, like I look at myself, it's also like a leader to a lot of younger photographers and just the community out here in general. So it's important that I know it before I started to jump out there and say this is what I'm doing. So I'm in that phase right now.

I'm just talking to a bunch of companies and just really understand it the game plan, and then when I have it, I'll be able to pass it down and then do it the right way and show people and then say all right, this is how you can actually do it, because it's gonna get tricky. I mean, you know, artists don't always understand this n f T stuff. So that's always been a tricky part for photography, is like

how do I monetize this? Like if I take a picture of you today and then tomorrow you're going Internet and you see I sold it for fifty tho, I'm sure I'm gonna get a call from you, you know what I mean, even though technically and the way the way it worked copies, right, I own it. Like if we really wanted to go to war, I'm gonna probably win in the court of law. But it's tricky, you know what I mean, Like you gotta you gotta save

that relationship. Yeah, sometimes it ain't worth it. An email when we did a little photo shooting, you like you want to retain the rights ownership? Yeah, I mean that's for somebody else to use it, Like they gotta come to you. Fact because the third party, it's really what you're doing for because that shop, we just deal with a little one that turned out super fire. He wearing other brands, So say the label want to take we call him wearing Psachi. We're gonna sell this photo to

PSACH for a million. No, you can't do that. No, that's so you got to own it in order to be able to protect yourself because they'll just keep monetizing it, you know what I mean, over and over for years and years and years, and you don't get nothing off of it. Yeah, nothing to beyond. Yeah, and you hold an artist for real for that matter. So you do that type of stuff just to make it clear. And then what labels when he gets to the real money

and budgets like that costs money. It's a price for everything. So if you want to own something that's like a masters for a music artist, there's a price for it if you want to own it. But if not, then let's just do this little license deal. You can use it forever long you want, and after that, you know

what I mean, you give it back to me. Basically, learn all this ship just coming up, like having lawyers and ship coming up through the runt man mistakes, you know, you're learning first two mistakes, you know, and just seeing the game. Um as I moved up in the game, I talked to older photographers, you know, I researched things. I'm a big fan of just learning as much as I can. But then also it helps it. You know, my best friend is a lawyer. He protects other people's rights.

So as we're coming up, he learned and stuff in law school. That's telling me like, yo, you know x Y all right, I adn't know that, Okay, back um. But it's difficult because end of the day. I always tell photographer, you can have all your ship right on paper. You can know you're right. You can know this. If one of these artists taking use your photo, what you're gonna do. You're gonna sue him. You can try, you won't make no money. You don't have the money to

fight against him in court. So it's just tricky. It's tricky because it's all about relationships at the end of the day. So you gotta know when to pick and choose your battles. Like I've walked into Urban outfitters and seeing my work like on a shirt hmm, but it was an artist and I'm tired you with So it's kind of like, you know, like he may not understand this ship is supposed to go. If I call him out, it's gonna be like he ain't gonna understand it. Like

I paid you, I paid you for the shoot. You paid me for the shoot, but you ain't paid, just go do whatever you want to do with it. So especially in Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta, they don't understand that. So it's like you really got to pick and choose. They spend all their money and when it get fresh and all this ship, theyse's face. Yeah, photo expected. You can choose my battles like you got it. You can use it for that. That's cool, but you're not not necessarily

supposed to, you know what I mean. But what do you think that you should try to? Uh, Like when you do shoot with niggas, you should tell them like look, bro, the big niggas like bro, you did brood makes some moneyut of these kids. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, But it's again, it's just tricky. It's tricky because you got these other artists sometimes to have so many hands in the pot that they don't even want to acknowledge you. And then

also keep it real. I'm blessed that Atlanta embraced me and I carry myself a certain type of way, but some of these artists don't respect the photographer enough to listen to me talking about I want to do business with them, like it's something that that see what I really got going on, and they'd be like, all right, that's a good that's a good idea, that's a good look. But it's still a fight for it, Like you know, they're rather do business with somebody to take pictures. Take

the pictures, but keep it moving. So for me, I learned that ship early that it ain't it ain't even my job to try to do too much real business with artists. Like to be honest, I have a whole system where I don't really charge artists. I charged the label, and I charged the companies that want to use these artists. But I know this long time ago, I'll never forget. Like and I and I love Young Dolph and I did a shoot for him one day and it was a spurred the moment. He called me like, pull up,

I want to do a shoot at the studio. I need to get some photos, and you pulled up. We did the shooting. At the end of the shoot, we never talked numbers. At the end of the shoot, he just pulls out some money. He's going through his He's like, which how much you want? And at that moment, I couldn't tell him, like, you know, I get ten thousand. The shoot because at that moment, he would have never understood that, like it would just been like you trying me,

you know what I mean. So at that moment, I realized, like it didn't even make no sense to me trying to take your money. I just need your relationship. I just need you to call me so right now, I just said, yo, bro, I don't even want your money, like you're good, don't pay me, and I didn't shoot free. And then from there though dog see me and his love, it was it was also a chess move for respect because it's like most of these rappers, you know, no offense to him, it's just how it is. They look

at photographs. It's a nerdy broke nigga's like, you know, because some of them moved, they carried themselves like that move like that you had to run in with an artists don't like a bad photo shoot or somebody trying to chump you off of you know, where you might have some words or some ship like have you ever had them? Type of situations? Never? Never dope. But I'm a I'm my manner like if you have no words me, there's something wrong with you. Like I'm not even like

because I don't even carry myself like that. So for me, it's all about that. But also I played the position. I respect the role. End of the day, it's the industry, I man, it revolves around the artist, you know what I mean. So I'm not gonna be stupid and then act like I'm the most important one on this set. No, I'm not the most important one on the set. It's the artist. So I've I'll wait five hours if you're late, Like, this is what it is. You're the artist, you control

the court. But in certain ways, I'm not just gonna let you just just pump me, y'all. You ain't just gonna do me whatever. But I don't put myself out there to get done dirty, you know what I mean. Like that's the beauty of photography. I'll tell people, it's like you can only waste both of our time. You either gonna pay me and you get the photo, or we're both gonna sit here and shoot, gonna be getting dressed out, haircut, and ain't no one's gonna get those photos.

So it's like it's like there's no way I could get guy in photography in a certain sense because you're gonna either pay or were both just gonna waste time, but you're not gonna get the photos and not pay me. It just doesn't work that way because I won't send the photos. So it's like it's nothing to talk about.

So from that standpoint, it's it's chill. But when I when I really switched my business model to not be charging artists and also just strengthen my relationship with them, because it's like every time they see me, it feels like I'm doing them a favor, but they're not understanding, or they might understand that, maybe they don't trip on it. I'm monetizing it in ten other different ways. You know

what I'm saying. It's because of the shootout did with you that people want to book my studio, you know what I mean? What they want to buy the merchant that I said, or signed to my label that I got. It's because of the work we do. So when I learned that it's just more important to just have artists as your friends or in alliance with you, then be trying to charge them for what they don't want to pay you. They don't want to pay nobody if they

don't got to, and anything wrong with that? How did you get good at photography, like because you said that that wasn't your thing, Like did you did you go did you study certain ship? Or how did you get good at it? Because there's a lot of photographers Like that's the other things too. Do you feel like it's a crowded space because there's a penny people with cameras,

but then have photographers they just nig with cameras. Yeah, well I had to learn early on that photography is a skill first and then there's an art form second. So once you unmaster the skill, that's like music, like you want to know how to make a song, and then you can start to put your own swag on it for the most part, or you know, other areas. So at the beginning, I was just shooting. I was just bushing, to be honest, Like, um, a lot of the photos you've seen, like even like the famous photo

I took a Gucci with the gun. It's in black and white. It's in black and white because I don't know how to edit photos in color, like you know, like it was like so I wasn't necessarily just doing it on purpose. I was just like ship, when I turned the black and white, it looked good. But in color it don't really look that good because the skin tone is like I didn't really know what I was doing, So to be honest, I struggled out to the beginning.

I missed a lot of pivotal moments that I could have really captured and really made movies out of because I didn't really know what I was doing. So once I kind of figured it out, like or A got exposed to other photographers and saw the quality of their work, I just started to try to figure it out. So I watched a lot of videos, like I watched behind the scenes of like photographers I'm I'm into and I freeze the camera and see, okay, how he shooting. He

shot from this angle, he was crouching. He used, this, ain't this camera. I'll be studying stuff like that. So then from there I just started shooting as much as I could and just continue to get better. But for me, it was always about quality. First, just get a good quality photo, and then people respect that make it look clear um, and then from there you can add your

own little spinner flare to it, for sure. So just being around the culture and just being around this ship, studios, traveling, whatever the cases what's what's some of the craziest ship that you don't witness on encountered Like you gotta say who, but like that he was like, oh man, this is I've witnessed a lot of like legendary stuff to be honest, like moments that um are just wild, just being in

the right place at the right time. But that's kind of where I always felt like the universe was leading me to a studio sessions or sessions encounters like I think I was there, Like the day Mike Will met Ray shremant, like how do I how do I happen to be there that day with my camera? You know, it's like that's bad random. You know, to day metromed Meek Mill for the first time and Thug met Meek for the first time and they recorded a record, Like I just happened to be there one there that day.

So I've been able to witness a lot of crazy stuff like that, And I think that's the most inspiring part about the job as a photographer is honestly watching the way the music industry in Atlanta collaborates with each other. That's like a big part of my business plan also comes from that because I'm not seeing you know, thug and future exchanging money back and forth when they do these verses. They doing the verses and they figured out

on the back end. And that's kind of how I took my appro photography, is like what I look like, tapping their pockets right on the spot, like let's just create, let's make some dope ship and then in the back and we're gonna figure that out. And that always that always like renders a better vibe when you're not trying to like handle the business up front and then you build that relationship and do all of that on the back. And I learned that so um, trying to just think

of moments. I mean, how didn't witness you know the famous video I put out that went viral, like coming back from the road with young Scooter at seven in the morning going to the brick factory and seeing Gucci boxing, Like like what the like why is he? Why is he sitting in the middle of the living room with his shirt off, just boxing, Like so just funny moments

like that, like what the fun is going on in here? Um? So, just like I said, just crazy ass sessions or or people you wouldn't expect are cool or in the same room together recording or doing like I wouldn't and stuff like that. And I've been just blessed to get access through you know, so many artists to witness this stuff. But I definitely have seen some some wild ship and some legendary ship for real. So what's the more collective?

What is it? Collective Gallery? So Collective Gallery is another one of my business ventures, is the newest one, um But it's basically again taking inspiration from what I learned in the music industry and saying like, how come a music artist could be successful, you know, they're good in his career and then he could start a lay one and you know kind of pyramid scheme and or bringing other people up underneath him through the same way. And it's like it just got me to thinking, like why

they're the only artist that kind of do that. You know, other other art forms to have success, have notoriety. Why can't they just basically take their blueprint and duplicated onto three other people and then get to get a cut of what they do. So Collective Gallery is my label. It's a photography based label where basically we go in and we on other photographers and we banaged their career, We monetize their career, we take their career, blow them up.

But then also they signed to me, so it's like a label. So the fun part about Collective Gallery is I get to kind of run around like I'm QC or something else. But we're doing it with with photographers and we have fun with and it's the first of its con So when we put that out, um, like, obviously I'm an artist signed to us, all my work now is is a part of the Collective Gallery. We've got three other artists. We've got John Cannon, he's twenty

one savage photographer. Uh he shot the Savage Mode cover. We got Scrilled Davis, he's an upcoming, you know, amazing photographer. He just did Uh he's actually directing too, but he did Milatto's Beatbox Freestyle. He directed that and shot all the photos for that. Um. And then we got a new artist in Jayalen the Mirror, who's kind of like a mixed medium artist. He does like photography, but he also paints over the work as well, and his work is incredible. And then we signed a few more artists

that we actually got on contract now. Um, but it's exciting. It ain't no super Yeah, I had to show you something. Ship's crazy. You do some next level ship. To be honest, he's fired. He's young, he's like twenty years old. He's gonna blow up crazy. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Joining the big fast conversation as well is the one the only son you know. Sunny Digital has stepped in Shotter Quest, the world famous quest, Travis part up in What's What's up? Up? What's up?

Sunny Man? We give We're giving Flowers the dope creators today. You know what I'm saying. So y'all to the dopest creators, y'all, y'all Flowers on the walk game. Yeah, doing y'all thing I've been. I've been telling that I've been. I've never seen y'all like together, but y'all doing y'all things. That's a funny. Y'all did it from the ground up. Y'all got this rock ship going a little man. I appreciate it,

may do it a little. So we're talking to count about some of the many of names that he worked with. A lot of people might not know, so we won't make them hips. So but let him know, like sunny Digital. You've got a lot of hits. Let him know some of these people name some of the hits. Give us about five or ten like cut the mindesty and popular

ship now, Like I just honestly I'll be forgetting man. Okay, let's future same, She's the same damn time right, X and Rex was the first one racks on Racks Okay, yeah, opened up the doors and wrapped it. That we did Yeah birthday song change, and that we did the mccoonan Tuesday. How we get hold of stuff? I would just I

ain't gonna lie like it. So it'd be so hard for me to name out the accolades though, because when when we was taking these shots and doing all this stuff, it was like it wasn't for what it is today, Like like I had tweeted some ship like a couple of weeks ago, Like when you're doing legendary ship, you just you never know you're doing that ship until, like you know what I'm saying, you look back on it and see what it is, What was the impact on

everybody else? Like when I when I was like really just in it, bro, we was in it, just having fun. So I never really looked back on my accolades, like on something man, look what that guy? Or look what that did? You know what I'm saying, But I had to feel good when you got your first plaque. It felt good getting my last. Always see that ship come to your front though that you know what the box is really that that's always a good feeling. Like I'm

not gonna lie getting getting those. I feel a lot better than me just talking about it and ship though, you know, it's like it's like something that I ain't even got to talking about, Like when I got I got all my plexic my studio, when people come in there, they just be amazed and ship though, you know, you know, I ain't really gotta do too much talking at that point,

you know. But but let's keep it real, though, do you feel like sometimes and I think we had this conversation, and do you feel like sometimes people leave you out of the conversation of Atlanta's great producers because people will be around and their name names and I have to throw your name, don't forget sunny, you know what I'm saying. And it's a little to everybody doing to everybody bro, you know, like but of course, though I know I

know that that's just how it is though. But I feel like that's just like the type of person I am. No were like, I'm not gonna sound forgettable though, but I do just be in the cut, just doing what I need to do and stuff though, you know. But like I've seen that. I've seen like a little picture going around with the little Mountain Rushmore with all the producers and shipped on it, and you know, I'm gonna be a real nigger about it, so I've seen it.

It was I believe it was Metro Sizzle had a blank space and they had Pierre on there and they was talking about the early tens. I was like, man, it's they are rays start off on their own foot by like throwing Pierre in that mixed though because he didn't come out there earlier. He came out a little later and stuff though, so that that was already kind

of wrong right there. I was like, man, I should have It would have been a respectable look to have, probably like Lex to somebody on there who was like, really like you know what, like you and Lex or you and Spins or you know what I'm saying, somebody like that. I wouldn't even necessarily throw myself in there because it was a lot of even Mike Well. I was like, Mike, Mike, you know how long we've been

riding before I had ship going. But like even Mike, Mike willdo like it was a lot of us that came out, so basically we need to put some more heads on the mountain. I was thinking about taking it. It was a good idea. I've seen that that picture online with the mural and ship. I was like, shout, I might take and go get that ship put on. Have somebody painting on one of these walls and ship though, but the right way over everybody makes supposed to be on it, and ship though, Like it's it's a it's

a wall that you can rent out there. They do murles on over there on north Side Drive with the water boys being right there. It's a big as it's a big as wall. I had thought about it, like yesterday, I was like, I might just just rent it out for like a month and paint the little ship on that ship, you know what I'm saying, and do it the right way. I wasn't eve gonna tell nobody I was gonna do it. I was just gonna just like this this high is supposed to be. Are you caught

the hit? Ship bro um before my started making beats when I was like twelve thirteen, So from from all the weapon to their up until I was like nineteen and ship that was it was grind. Oh but you know coming in so young like that, which I'll be trying to like tell like these young kids and I feel like they're listening now, they don't seem so much of a grind. It's like most of a hobby though because I was, I wasn't. It wasn't nothing I had

to pay for the time. I was still my mom and ship though, you know what I'm saying, Like it wasn't no no overhead and ship, so it was a hobby. Like so when other things be out there playing basketball or my brother and then played the video game and ship though my hobby and be making beats. So it didn't seem like a grind at the time. Though. When it became a grind is when you get your hit. Yeah, that's when they would come a ground when the ship get real. Now is your job now go up? You

gotta keep this ship up. That's really the hard the hard part. Everybody crying about getting in and ship though, but ship, maintain this ship is like I ain't gonna say the hardest part though, but nigs be forgetting that part though, you know what I'm saying, Like, you got to maintain this ship. Like once you get a hit, you're gonna another one. Once you get another head, you're gonna need another one. Once you get another head, you're

gonna get another one. You know what I'm saying, This ship like, you gotta prove yourself constantly though a lot of like I'm God trying to get them hit on, God trying to get them fucking with that money, you know, your lifestyle changing that money start coming in too, and then you create a you create a um what you call it. You create something for yourself where you create the way people look at you. Nothing from Cuban, Juban. I'm only doing that. I'm stopped doing this like I'm

doing that. I'm doing this. I've been I've been shot. I'm saying, but you don't set the ball for yourself. Oh yeah, I can't go smaller than this now. I do that intentionally for myself too, though, you know what I'm saying, Because it's like ship, the lad to change I went and bought this ship with expensive as hell, but like ship, I got get back to work now, you know what I'm saying, Like this ship wasn't this ship?

You can get back in this studio as soon as I bought this mother for the first place out with inspirationally make them money, Like okay, ship, you know all this ship costs though, But like I said, like really maintaining all this ship your lifestyle like that that's really the hard part. Don't we get into this ship though, you know, Like so this is what I wanted all so, like you know, like a lot of like top tier producers such as yourself, are like studio junkies. They stay

in the studio whatever whatever. But you go out. You know what I'm saying. I see you at night often, you know what I'm saying, and you do, like you move around and like you you're like a lot of different places. So how does that being out and like being around and actually being on the scene, how does that kind of like bolster your creativity? Alright, being on the scene, that's the show, Like it helps out the creativity though, But when I'm out, honestly, like it's bigger

than being a producer. It's bringing yourself. So like I go out show my let people know that I'm a real person, because there's a lot of people don't even know Sunny digital real person. They think that I do all that, you know, it's all branding and stuff, you know, so people see my face putting that face to the name and ship though, you know, like and I've been doing that though, and I just I just enjoy going out. I'm like, I'm a people person, but I just be cooling,

you know what I'm saying. So I do like to be out, you know. So but like me like going on trips, going to l A, going like to anywhere. You know, I take all that, like what I see in my experiences and stuff, and I kind of just translated through the music and stuff. Like I kind of do. Got to travel a lot to to make good music. You know. I gotta see certain things to be exposed. Certain things feel a certain type of way, you know, when I'm at home. I'm at home, you know what

I'm saying. So it's easy to work here. But you know, I don't say burnt myself out being here over but I s everything here. You know, my life here, you know, what I'm saying. So like it ain't just the studio no more. I'm thirty now, So like I got a kid and ship though I got, I got, I got, I got my own studio that you know, I gotta uphold to you know you still you still have the same spot, punch, Because that's the next question I want to ask everybody. How important is it to find the

right spot to work out of? Like you got a legendary spot, you're still at that spot? No, damn, you know what, I'm the hardest sunny digital beasts you ever gave me in the world. That's whatever was going on in that spot. I never went in, but maybe he came outside and gave me tim beats cam about shot a video in there for for me and you, but

a lot of his I kicked out that motherfucker. Imagine, bro, somebody I wouldn't even have Somebody shot a gun in the in the crib and then went through the floor through the bottom. Yeah, So one, none of your bullshit is just my mama. My mama worked in the in the neighborhood, right Yeah, that bro, that's the only job I had to She had hired me to work there. Ship, right, and you know, we were just basically was easy. I had to go go clock in and go back home and go to sleep. So we had to show lock.

All my homies stayed on the same block. My mom was getting all of all of us in. And ship though, but ship, all that ship, you know, just it was too many people, you know, and like, like I said, when that ship happened, I wasn't even at home and ship. I don't even find out the ship happened to the next morning to the the police at the door, I'm like, he'll happen. Somebody shot through the floor. I'm like ship the rest of piece of sunny old spot, a lot

of legendary you know. Club. It was a new the new spot though. Right now I'm getting redone right now, actually on back, what's coming in and redoing, redoing the studio for me right now, I'm not the studio but the club spot back. What made you choose your spot? What? What is it called a collective? What do you call your spot? Camp, Kirk Studio, Kirk Studios, drunk Ship. What made you choose that spot? When did you know like this is gonna be the spot, To be honest, that

spot was. It was given to me, um, you know ironically. So before I opened the studio, I had a name for myself. But I wasn't really making that much money. So I never really felt like I could actually go to a commercial place and get my own space. I wasn't really ready for that. Yeah, it didn't makes sense to me. I didn't have the studio business like that.

I was making a little bit of money. I think I was still probably been traveling with with wat and people at times, so I wasn't really doing it like that. But I met a guy who had the space. He had basically like he has basically the relist that I

got in that building. He had it before I had it, and he was trying to open up a recording studio on one side, and he had an extra room and he was like, Yo, I'll give you this extra room for free if you're gonna do your photo shoots out of here, bring artists and they're gonna see my fied and then we're gonna be lived. So I was like, shift, if it don't cost me nothing, there's no risk. Yeah, Like, I just do it. So I used to have a small room over there. Um, it was super small compared

to what we got now. And yeah, he had the big, big side, and you know, me and my boy Keenan was actually here. We actually opened up the studio together. And he never he never opened up his studio side, like I think he just underestimated what it costs or whatever the case may be. So for the first five six months, I was kind of just trapping out of it. It's like a private space. Um. And then I came in there one day and we were getting evicted because he never paid rent ever. So I was just like,

what's going on in here? Lu. I'm like, yeah, facts, because the building landlad was like, you know, we looked your name up and they can you know, you can find articles about me. At that time, I just wasn't really making no bread like that. And then they were just like yeah, it was like, you know, we think you do good business. We see you come here all the time. And they felt like I got tricked, so it was like we feel bad for you, so we'll just turn the whole lease over to you right now.

So they ain't check my credit, they ain't check my income, they ain't check nothing. It was just like you can't afford it. You keep it um so ship. It was like a blessing because then I just took over the old space and I just bet on myself like all right, we're gonna do what We're gonna do it the right way, and we're gonna actually get people in here. We're gonna sell the studio time. And here we are three and

a half. You know, years later, we do six hundred appointments of money in there with the most bookspace in Atlanta in the world if you really ask me. But yeah, but literally there's six hundred shoots going in there every month and everybody's in there, every artist you could think of as well, big or small. So it's a blessing to now be like a staple, you know what I mean. And I have that to lock it down. But I got it on something definitely God work, you know what

I mean. It salute to Cam. I ain't gonna lie. I remember seeing he brought me over the long time ago. Yeah, first got it. Yeah, when the buddy still had studio over there. Just see where it's it now. It's mind blowing like crazy. I'm like, the boy got the whole building down me on the slip, you know. No, it's a blessing, and I'll never see anybody else, any other humans in there. That's else to feel. I like him. He might be he don't really be there, but he

don't be there. I gotta be that way because at first I was in there just running this ship myself. And then I'm just like, all right, this ain't this ain't the look, because then people are just gonna underestimates you, like you can't be your on work. So then I started investing. I got twenty one employees right now across all my businesses. So it's like, now I know how to delegate, and it just I'd rather just pay you

than me even try to work the same job. I'd rather give you the job and I can sit back and do this. You may never work there, you know what I'm saying. Like the office still running, They still here doing whatever they gotta do. So when I learned that, I just learned the power of delegation and being a boss. So whatever it takes, with the true meaning behind it, and you know, find a ways to duplicate yourself because I couldn't run that studio with all these appointments still

be a photographer traveling and have my label. It wouldn't make sense. How are you dealing with the days? Like we could sit here now and everybody grunted to get to a certain point, But how you deal with the days? The broke days? Because a lot of people, well we're trying to give them games ship like that. They'll be like, well, it's easy for y'all because y'all ain't broken, you know what I'm saying. Like, n we was broke before, you know what I'm saying. But how y'all deal with the

broke times? And how did you deal with the broke times? Get the way you're at? Man? So for me, I never saw the blueprint that led me to have money when it came to photography because I didn't know no photographers with bread or with money doing it. So money wasn't a motivation. It was just about making a lot of lifestyle for myself or just being able to live.

So I was never I never had money pressure on myself back then because I was just like Ship, if I can afford an apartment, I could stay in Atlanta, I can do this, I can do that. I'm good. So it really wasn't until I started making money that money starts to become oh, make money, Let's make some more money like that. Um So at the beginning for me, I'm lowle maintenance. I'm low maintenance to this day. Like I don't move around too crazy, so as long as I can do what I gotta do. So back then

it was dollar menu food. I was blessed to travel with artists and sometimes the artist to get me food. I didn't really have no pressure. I was more excited about the work we were doing. Like my happiest days were still like like Sunnay said in that spot, you know, the work we were doing, seeing ourselves on TV for the first time, like things that nature just was happy days still to this day. So for me, it ain't

never been about money. So maybe it's a little different from me because I didn't really get into an industry where it's like like that. Though, why why something? You know? I hate why some of the best days the broke days. Girls don't like that. You're trying to get out of pressure. Pressure exactly, pressure when the pressure on its own. But I'm gonna be real though, real nigger ship though. They just need to get jobs. We sweep preached that's the

big fact of Bible. Yeah, the job bro, like what, I don't want it, bron, nigg want to be sunny digit on Camp Kirk. They don't want to get a job. I mean, I want to do it over now, that's true. We're talking about snapping the reality though, man. Ship. That shouldn't happening overnight. Man, you know it might happen because

you know it might or might not happen. No. But for the most part though, I had to convert with mikecause I'm like, Bro, I was thinking about signing like all these people, artist, producers and everything though, but everybody start looking at how I live my life. You think they like supposed to be lived like that too. And I'm like, hey, Mike, tell the niggas to have money, and she likes get a job like I like ship. That's like, okay, that makes sense though, you know what

I'm saying. Like, but at the time when we was broke, though, we don't win to here, we we don't. Ain't nobody really want to go through what they had to go through. You know what I'm saying, You gotta go through this ship, man. Everybody be looking at this ship like it's easy, easy, easy way to get here. Bro, Just this ship Bro, you gotta put your work in, Bro. And we still ain't done. We're still at the beginning. I feel, you know, most definitely. But I think it's just social media just

obviously just stories everything and the result mindset. It's like, you know, if you really just look at the math and stuff you can google, like google how many people in America make a hundred thousands a year, it's less than ten percent, Like you know, it's like the numbers are low. So it's like, why do you just assume you're just supposed to all vactly be rich or so it's like when people understand those things, they realize they

put less pressure on themselves. But I think it's just it's just false realities of like people thinking you're supposed to be a millionaire. That's what success the media, Yeah, that's not success excess in a million dollars, like because if that's the case, then the percentage even lower. It's probably how many percent of people are maying there is It's probably success is happiness and you being able to do what you wanted to do on this earth to

the fullest ability of what you are. So if I made eighty thou dollars, you couldn't tell me I wasn't successful, Like if that's what I wanted to do, I wake up every day happy. That's what I'm supposed to do. That's success to me, got their own everybody at their own things. I think so many people put money in the same boat at success, and I think that if more younger people just would separate those two. Money could be part of your success, but it shouldn't be success.

Shouldn't be your definition of success. It's put less pressure on yourself, like people be losing their mind trying to make money, like it's crazy. It's hard to preach that with social media though, I ain't gonna lie like these little niggas is in hindsight looking for me. We're looking out. We can see reality though, but like man, when you lit nigga, see niggas with loads of money and ship though we're talking about that percentage and ship though about

how many people having that many? That's that's the people that's on paper though they see every paper nigga. Two doors for me, like having blocks like like on the same block, like you know what I'm saying, like like that that that was really going on. That's what we see the niggas who should on black and white. I don't think they not don't lie doing that ship. Everybody that we see is that's how they live right now.

So it's like it's it's like like how you said though really it's that social media when when they can see it, like like I said that, I don't even

really I don't. I don't really deal with artists like as far like new artists anymore unless they know what the funk going on this ship though, you know what I'm saying, because like they're gonna look at it another another rapper situation and think his ship supposed to be like that, what you mean, like deal with me about like sound him or send them beat or signed them, sign him when you signed, when you essentially signed anybody to you, they're down. They'll be like it's like you adopting.

You know what I'm saying. So it's like like like your daddy not type like like like you know what I'm saying, Like, so like that's how that looked to you to do everything everything my fault and when everything is your responsibility. Everything whatever happened good, they did whatever exactly, they did it on their own. When when it's all good, Yeah, no help, So what's your fuck up? Don't sunny then if it suddenly had me funked up? Like come on man, like you know but but but it's just it's just

how that ship, how they look. I can't at signed to me, so I can't you know, I can't talk about them. Man. He just he got ahead of it, so you know what I'm saying, Like everybody, basically, bro, really, I'm gonna tell y'all one situation. I'm gonna tell you all one. I had a whole I'm gonna tell you all one situation. Though. So when I had first got my studio clude Digital and Ship, though, I was like, I really got it too. I got my studio so I can got damn go to the labels Like I

got a studio, I got orders. Cut me to check. Bro, we can record here, you know what I'm saying, We can you know what I'm saying. So it was an easy place because I already got my situation with Atlantic and Ship. So I'm like, all I gotta do is get y'all high here and don't cost me to record y'all. You know what saying? I got everything right here. You know what I'm saying we can, we can situation ship, so bom, I like, all right, So I got four artists.

Two of them was my friends, two of them was two other yeah, two other randoms that I was like, okay, y'all, y'all kind of fire with this ship or whatever. Though, So my two friends and ship though a matter of fact, you had this nigga boat had a show. We all went down on Panama. We went to Panama, right, and so when when when when he had a show up? I had a show? Will brain probably like to two of the artists are two and another two of another show or something like that just kind of split up it.

So don't be four artists going on one show and ship. So we'll bring them out and ship. They't let them do their thing though, you know, like niggas ain't that's exposure for your like like like nig you ain't had no show tonight, like nobody had nothing going on. Like we're making this ship go on right now, so come on with it. You'm saying, you come on do your ship though. So I don't know, I wanted one of my artists flex to the other artists, like he got

paid for the show. What I It wasn't the friend that flexs to the random nigga. R No, it was the friend that flexs to the random nigga. And that that's what made it even seem more legit, because you know, they like they already know like your favorite niggas, So you're gonna get the money for exactly. But I ain't nobody get paid for no show. The only person that got paid for the show was him. Yeah, we was all coming out on so like, hey man, we got this going on, we're gonna bring it. He the only

one that got paid for the show. Ain't nobody get buzzed down for nothing? We all driving down on our own diamond ship though, So my friend gonna tell the other artists that he got paid for the show for what reason, I don't know, but it started. It started some internal ship though, and the artists got mad at me, made it made it this song about me and ship, bro. But did the random nigger ever like approach you and talking out like that? Man? All right? So look that

was the whole thing. I was like, I didn't even know you had this undercover pressure with me and ship though, like until they started telling me. And so later on down the road. I'm such a cool nig I'm like, I ain't really tripping because you don't really understand in the dough. But I ain't gonna really full with you like on that level again though. But he came to a sensence and came and chopped it up with me as a as a grown man last after this record

after I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he don't know, if he put it out of not though, But it was just the fact that it was made though. I'm like, like, you know what I'm saying, Like that, that'd be the whole thing. Bro, Na, I ain't got nothing meet doing anywhere, not really. You gotta know what's going on at this point too. I'm putting my foot down. Hey, I'm not your daddy. You know

what I'm saying. Get you a job if you need some money, bro, And the ship work, bro, Like be a real nick about this ship, Like when when you sign the artist what you ain't gonna game ship it'll be bro. I look, bro, when when you coming, when you come with Sunny Bro, you you can go anywhere, we can go anywhere in the world. Bro. I'm going in any studio, but this ship different. That he need to need some money, that's that's fine. You just gotta get your fine now. Look it's already and ready to go.

But look, look, getting money right now ain't hard. Bro. It ain't hard, bro, Like, don't you don't matter been black and white. If it's black and white, all documented on document, Get your motherfucker money. Bro, we all had to get this shot out the mud. Bro, I'm not saying that he comes saying to you, look that nigga might want to wear chrome hard jeans. Yesterday, yesterday, I still got him on my chrome hart hot. I got

my ship, I got two three follow him hot. Yeah, Sonny, you come to me and say you want to say not not sused to not boom boom. If there's that type of situation where it ain't too much, I gotta build up. Yeah, I'm coming there. I know how to handle the business. Though. Now Bro, okay, you right here, I'm gonna get you some money. I'm gonna give you some money. Bro. Saying like you should meet a nigger like trying to take it from zero a little yea the spot. Let me give you a good example though,

so you know you know seeing your tril. Yeah, I've been see your trail. He does. He does a lot of stuff we've been doing. Yeah, he had wrapped him. I've been this n just alone, cool as hell like but so, but he kind of buzzing right now though. But I've been doing this. Nigga from Metro induced me to him probably like ten years ago type ship though, you know what I'm saying. At the crib, and Nick came that Nigga had so much money to that day. Bro,

he was just buying beasts from everybody and ship though. Bro, he was bro and he bought a verse with OJ and ship bro. So she was crazy that day. But but um so with him when he started recently bubbling and ship though, I had reached out to him. I reached out to him ten years ago, like I was gonna sunk with him just off the fact that he had bought so many beats from me though, and I

just sunk with his music and ship though. So he had ship going on, we was we was still fueling flame behind what the funk he had going on, you know what I'm saying. And so at that time I wanted to funk with him and ship though, would ended up happening the nigga had got shot. The funk up and ship though, and kind of like he got shot and kind of like just fell off the scene a

little bit though, you know what saying. The music when a priority at that point at that point, yeah, so so now he kind of he come back on the scene and like when I had started to see it though, I reached out to him. I'm like, hey, bro, like what so, let's let's work out of situation and ship when they start like kind of bubbling and ship though, you know, they got everybody on their line, you know

what I'm saying, everybody on the line. So it's like sometimes I can't I can't even compete as far as like financially with whatever label or anybody gonna give you though, because honestly, I'm not about to give a nigga fifty thousand or whatever thousand and because on some ship though, Bro, if we're gonna do any work and if it gets to that level and ship though, you know how much I can charge you for a beat, you know what I'm saying, So we can we could paying this ship

out though, Like was it's gonna be like alright, ship, how much. You won't shock you this and that and beat if you want to reduce that. But I mean, dope, they do. But they don't even know I love them. I'm so bank I got. I gotta ask you now because you got you got your label. So when you signed these niggers and ship, though you you gave them a bag and ship, who um trouble. I didn't get them nigger ship. We came up together, we were brothers.

It was a feminine so we all. You know what I'm saying, Like, all right, so what would you do were you never do no paperwork and nothing? That ship? You see a feminine? I see that different now you know what I'm saying. So like I ain't up to my life as a bidding, I'm signing it digital. What would you look at? How would you doing right now? He doesn't want to be the dad I got, I got, I got, I got three three young niggers that don't

funk with. But it's already what it is. They already have their own paper, they already they're already doing their I can't I'm doing. I'm doing a big factors. I'm looking at you know what I'm saying. I'm looking for

that little a little problems, y'all. We see I see, I see all of them doing their things, and look, it's not that many of them though that and I'm looking for that though I won't think it's kind of doing their thing though, but understand they do need a little more too though, Like like that they're gonna need, They're gonna need, They're gonna need like a Mike Will to come in and sign. Why not signing coming? You know, it's they don't want to make it look like when

he signed, like sign signed, what is some guaranteed? What am I doing? But everybody got beats? Everybody, That's what I'm saying, thank you, But I'm trying to explain to him how Nigga's thinking. But look that's cool and niked thing that all I got it beats, But no, I'm really got his beat. But Nigga's like, bro, I can wait. No, I didn't gonna feeling like bro wait my time but nothing. But you know, you know, a rapper worst worst fair though is like signing and then being broke and they

don't want to sign it broke. If you sign, I'm like, that's the biggest ship. Like once I signed, I should be straight. That ain't really, that ain't reality. But that's how they think. I'm gonna tell us, real ship, if you signed a nigger like this today and he blow up and the end of time for y'all to bust his money up, you're gonna want your money for your beach you're publishing, then he gonna be a nigga that's gonna be on Big Fat saying you some bullshit because

you ain't get the nigga ship from the real. Right, Well, look all right, so look not no, I didn't give me ship. He give me but not hey, but look but look bro, look this is the whole thing though, So now you're right, you're right, but this alright, so my whole thing too, for real, for real, Like I wasn't all some guy, damn, it's it's it's situations that

I wasn't even having with my friends. I'm like, bro, it's certain niggas that I don't want to really even sign because I see them being bigger than what I can offer them right now, at this, at this moment, and they're gonna they're gonna get business savvy and in a minute and understand that whatever I offered them. It probably was gonna be some bullshit, but it was fitting

for the time though, what you was in. So I understand where we're out of that shome now, but but it was a situation that we had what's fitting for that time and stuff. I ain't no like ship. I believed in you like ship. Like ship. We believed in each other, like like you know, you gotta you gotta be you gotta be out. But you gotta think about that's coming from nothing together. But you got something. You look at that, but that that what you got someone already.

But I don't look at all this ship. But there you gotta put in the game. That's why you gotta don't many, bro, they look that cool. We're gonna build haters all around us when when you're doing saying what you don't want to be in being there with him. Bro, Look, man, you you don't think the big companies and business with niggas that hate them likely Look it's different though, But now the biggest difference though with me and them is

I actually be on the ground with these niggas. Though still though, do niggas be in the office and ship though, so honestly, they don't even they matter the whole label, and they don't even know who they're mad at. When these niggas get mad, they know they can get mad directly because I'm on the ground with him, but I might need just you can't even take this chance. You can't even take the chance to keep doing the beat.

They don't get management. Management deal. I thought about that tool, Come with it, you know, and then we're gonna make it like my life. You really is a nigga daddy for my life in your end in a certain sense though, And you right though, I was like my whole thing right now, like you know, I'm dealing with producers like I really felt with them because I can. I can get through them. I can talk, and I can make this ship make sense to them, making I can show

them this whole ship, how this ship go. I can show them I can break this ship down as an artist and ship though I know a little bit, but as far as like how they be feeling this ship though, I'm kind of oblivious to that ship though, you know what I'm saying, Because I ain't know all this. You gotta look at it like these niggas nowadays, at least these niggers nowadays, like at least want to get like a hell cat and a condo out of the situation.

That's what I'm saying. I produce, produce somebody you can start their kids, health cat, come on one you want, man, That's all it takes for you, because they just want to be inspired, not off your ship off knowing them for to go outside and jumping it. I'm gonna make a banger. That's a fact though, because that's too many

y'all need to turn they turn their niggas up. No, that's a fact that crapship starting to go out the dough facts though, like get okay, you did turn you up, put you out within its meeting alright, So so but bag, don't you gotta look I look still from my end though, I ain't gonna lie. Bro. You know bro, we all right, so we I see you, I see you, I see your most spot. I see you with Mike will spot more than anything, Bro. When I walk in his spot,

I'm inspired. Bro. I'm like, oh man, he got these two artists really whole platoon, but swedel and got damn Jimmy. I'm like, you ain't gonna telling me. I can't hand no motherfucker artists, Bro, are are I shouldn't bro, because I'm like what they're doing over there, I'm like, I just need to find I need to find that. You know what I'm saying? What if I got though? I know I know going on that blessing hold him now what I need I need to nig said, hey man,

my home, my host. Look are you looking for a blessing? Man that type of nigh don't go ahead, but I ain't bless that's the blue bliss. I'm saying, like you see you go, you see y'all nigga out of hood. Okay, shot ready you're gonna go get you know you got your niggas got who turn like? That's all they need is a son they digital to stamp like that. We finally got them be brothers and turn them up. Because if you believe in the nigga that much, why do you want to invest? Should I do in the time?

Time and none of the days time was enough? When you gonna be turned up? They do? But I mean, ship you want to do some nigga you don't want to do nigga? Everybody was that's the one they got introduced. Bro. It's different, it's changed. I ain't like then change Now the niggas is getting money. I ain't gonna lie, ain't so and that bring back to see your trust ship though he had he having his own motion and ship though, so when I came and I asked, like April, let's

figure out something. But but I ain't gonna lie. I know, I know with our brain straight to me and without cause. I got, I gotta situation with it. I got situation where Atlantic still though to where I like I got, I got. I'm signed over there as the artist to Atlantic got them if you But they will though, but it's a process though, they still gotta wait, just like

being with you first. Then we're gonna do all that if I believe, honestly, if I believe in the nigga what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna kick it to a nigga, A bro I got my situation in Atlantic broke, but I ain't gonna lie. A lot of times niggers be getting turned off when you talk about major labels though, But I ain't got nothing bad to say about my label. Them niggas do whatever I asking to do. They cut me and check it by asked you know what I'm saying,

that's that's how my studio got built. And ship, you know what I'm saying, that's how I bought my Mama crib. I ain't got nothing bad to say about the Atlantic and ship though, you know what I'm saying. My my situation Atlantic they he loves you man. Whatever situation they gave it was fitting for the situation and still working right now though, you know what I'm saying. So but but like when like they get they get bad looks,

you're gonna make your steal your nicklas or something. Get your R and B singles, No, look, look this the whole thing. Though honestly, bank Bank, I'd be out the way. Though I'd be out the way. I'll never go looking for nothing that first. So what do you get somebody? All that ship, but you don't do nothing for him?

Like you give them all the ship to change a little bit of money to health cat all that ship, but you don't do nothing for their career like you don't do nothing, Like you don't help them actually do something. Don't that count for something? You mean you'll help him do it? You don't help them do nothing, like you don't introduce them, and some people do they give him the ship. But some people get gonna make that type of investment. Some people give some people give them ship.

They can't do ship for the artists. They don't have the power to do. They don't have a power that's got the money and the ship. So you have a bunch of motherfucker's walk around looking like that you have money to turn the nigger up. You got that money. I don't mean you know if you got money. I don't mean you know, Jay Banks, don't nobody don't even let me. Damn y'all didn't let me face money down me. I'm not saying that. I'm trying to talk what I said.

If you if you got money, if you got that type of money to turning it up to that level, then you have enough money to be able to pay people to be put in place that no people and then know what to do. It. Still don't feel different broke trying to do that. It's broke as what I'm saying. So what I'm saying is it's sunny the felt, and I like both of your sides of it. But Sonny

can go get some ship done for you. Bro It ain't just feel to be a chain and you're sending hold all that though, so you say you got out, I got to cover all of that. Man, I'm coming look you because you that kind of if you're a different type of CEO, that weed is a hundred of it. Now they can't buy that with time. It's the whole thing. Though. What I'm saying, though, I think we're going over everybody here.

I'm opportunity in this situation though, you know what I'm saying, Like, no, Nigga, I ain't saying you're going to sign on for starting. I'm saying you go sid and nigga who already got it a little b one chance. But even still this this, this is the the the messed up part for me though. When niggas is bubbling, they know they're bubbling and ship though, so they get officers and ship though. So like this, like when I come, I'm not gonna just I'm I'm

afl of the situation. So I'm gonna be like I'm gonna call the big dogs in, so we're gonna get atlantic in the situation and stuff. You know what I'm saying. But like niggas don't wanna they don't wanna go there route I can. I can get you to the water, I can be I'm put you I'm gonna let you meet create, calm in the head, head hot. He can come whatever, check he won't. You know what I'm saying. I can put you there, I can put you in the front of any any lay. I can take you

to anywhere. You know what I'm saying. But it's like, you know, people gotta look at it like like that though, But when they know he hot, don't you know he probably can get more and not look at the whole situation and ship though, Like what I can actually do for your situation though, you know what I'm saying, Like like you know, you don't want to get what he's saying, but you don't get what I'm saying to your brand, to Digital son and Digital Club Digital that you feel

attaching it to your brand, You gotta attach them to it, bro, you gotta embrace like that what the niggas artists don't be blowing up because they treat these nigga like like you just like separate entities. How do you need to blow how do you need to blowing the niggas up? Because they showing its united. They like they're grabbing these niggas like, you know what I'm saying, that's the only way it's gonna work. But I ain't gonna lie bank.

I've been doing that. I've been having the niggas everybody next to me. Bro, That's why nigga still sunk with me right now, get that pot up. I'm saying like, if you signed a rapper, like you don't sign the rapper. You can't just have him next to you, and you ain't got him next to you next year. That's why I won't even deal with it. Just depends. Like for me, I'm like, I'm coming on at this point. It's like

am I gonna am I gonna be that guy? I'm gonna be like a crib cowman handling business with you. You know what I'm saying. I see something, man, you know you know what I'm saying, Like it's music, but it's still though you're a nigga, bro, change ship different if you have now if I was signing to Camp, it'll be different. I feel like, all right, we're gonna get us some money together. No matter what. Cam gotna,

Cam don't care. You carry yourself like a guy. Them artists he man, he's being modest of it because I've been around him for too long. Anything Sunny got everybody around him know, they got access to it. I know that, so it's like he just got to fix it. You're just not saying that. So you know, if we're going out right now, if I'm your artists and you got five change, you know you're giving him one of the two change put on. That's just natural. You like like

that stuff that different. I mean, I would say, you gotta just say that. You know you're gonna do that, you do that, But I'm not. I'm not saying that because I feel like that. That's just things that just kind of naturally come to me. Though. You know what I'm saying, Like if I do got an artist, of course, if we go out, I'm taking this off. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna outshine this. Yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah,

that's what I'm He's saying. You can't look like that, and yeah, yeah you ain't walking so so so a little bull so so a little right even the way the way I'd be thinking about this ship though, Like so when I have I had my artist cute at the time though. Remember que Also, I always felt like he was a better rapper than me though, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, I'm gonna have him. We're gonna do a project together though, just so he

can stand hold on, wait a minute, you know. Yeah, I felt like he was a better lyricist, like as far as like you know, like look, you know what I'm saying, everything like he has, So it was like I want I put him next to me so he can outshine you though, you know what I'm saying. So it was always It's always like I'm doing what's in favor for everybody else though, because I do know my position. I'm producing, or I just like this ship though I like.

I like things I like though, you know what I'm saying, Like, but I ain't gonna get straight um Stunn on the nigger or cut off access to a nigga. I'm you saw twenty one man, you got done that signed to me? Bro? You like, like Cam'm said, you do, got access to everything. I got to take the Bentley. I don't care to take that where you are. That's like, take take any anything. All this ship material bro, let's make up, let makes exactly, like, yeah,

I come in. I can't just be in the studio over shaking, trying to face what's what's what's your what's your think? Create better music though hungry shaking that type of ship or turned up. I'm just serious. You need comfortability for both niggas. Ain't bro, who's who's hosting when they home? You gotta think about what nigga you got a different world, That's a fact. Paintish painting struggle music

got popular to paint over with. Don't get what all these kings who are saying that paying ship they're still holding up them right, ain't know what you don't It don't matter what what artists you signed. When we when I signed artists to my label, we give twenty thousand dollars up front. But you gotta do that. Photographers, you have that comfortable feel like I just moved up. Yeah, like they say, like that day I go that way happened.

So so look give me some up now. Look even like all right, so I'm really a advocate about that

ship though I've been on something. I've been preaching about niggas getting their checks and ship though, like they get your money and ship though, so I know, even like dealing with the artists, why I can't sign them directly though, I'm gonna take you to the big facilitate you to go get a bigger check though, you know what I'm saying, So that that's what that's really why I stand that with with like technically signed an artist though, but even

like with producers and stuff, like I said, I've been such an advocate on like man, I've been in fund up deals and ship though. I'm like, man, shouldn't nobody sign anything anything without any type of monetary exchange to it too? Though you know what I'm saying. So you know if you signed anything and they need to get something, So like with my producers right now, I know producers, they'll be ready to sign for nothing. I put a piece of paper in front of you. There they're signed

this ship. Don't matter what it's on it long just say Sunny did toping. They name it the Bodoee that that go like that though producers ain't even like I can't, I can't let you normalize that. He's saying, like, just if you go get a producer, like how you are seventeen years old of your basement, fresh out your mouth, Bro, he go tenth, don't. I'm gonna get you some placement we're producing. You're gonna start getting money immediately if you're

beating into him. It's different with the rap. Nah, broe Nah, you ain't getting that money immediately. Bro. I'm telling you from from my standpoint. Man need nigga is starving. Bro, you get a hit, you ain't seeing no money from that motherfucker them that year after that, publishing publishing base. Ain't no time if I've been broke seventeen years already, ain't no time. But but but but but what you gotta understand though, I feel you, though, But it's like, Okay,

imagine you having a hit. You know you got that hit once, you know you got that hit, and then mother going up. You got big jugs and big jugs and folks and come people. No, no, no, no, no, no no no. Let me tell you that's that's a deadly game. Now right there. We're talking about hits. Now, I'm talking from the perspective of like first hit. Though.

You know what I'm saying, first hit, they're gonna hit you with some bullshit, bro, you know what's saying because they don't even know if're gonna get another hit after this ship though, So they're gonna they're gonna hit you with it, and I'm coming in like they're gonna. If you're coming in, you're coming off. They offer you do

on your first hit, they ain't gonna get you. Ain't gonna get what you're posted agetting to until you got your second hit up on the board, third hit on the board or something like that though, So it'd be some bullshit up until then though. But even still, you gotta understand how the ship feeling now as a producer, though, the niggas ain't getting paid them that year later after this songe hit though, But the rapper that song that're doing shows living life. But put fairness to the cult

of the producer ain't got to really be out. I don't need you needn't go number one, so so keep doing it. So yeah, that's right, that right though, But you're right to to a certain degree if you're that type producer that don't you know, you don't want to, you know what I'm saying. If you want, if you want your money to come every now months after the hit come out, and fine, you do that, but you gotta get your door war and for that money that

got down, keep you floating and ship. So it's all been about being a hustler because once I got this hit, Okay, once I got this sunny, all these niggas in need little towels want that sunny, my bag. I'm hustler. And that's what I'm saying, what you're talking about. I did that because like these niggas ain't you know, I don't really at the time, I didn't. I didn't know Future. I didn't really know why. I see, they didn't know each other. No, it was a whole one man that

didn't know each other. So it was like there wasn't no means for anybody to help each other, saying chemistry

wasn't there. There wasn't no like chemistry until like well with me and Future after the after the direct on recks really are like kind of in the mixing ship though, But nobody really knew each other though, so it wasn't knowing centing for nobody to help each other as far as putting Nick out though, So like I'm sitting like I ain't even got my tag on the ship though, So I'm like, man, y C, you make sure you're shot me out the radio station when you go up

there or whatever. But that ain't what going on. Niggas trying to get their shot up the ground too, you know what I'm saying. They're like this nigga. So once I figured that out, and I won't an't mad, I like, I understand. I just gotta figure out how I'm gonna do this ship too, So I'm gonna let know the type ship. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna let y'all know, like, oh me, like we're doing this, that's how we're gonna do it, you know, and like what we're really coming.

My ass was coming with another one. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That first one was cool and then we really really coming. My was just coming with the next one. Like okay, this nigga he here, you know what I'm saying. But like that ship that that producer ship man like produces that ship alone shot to the rap on tobody when you got the like, shout out my producer because I fun with all, but I know you funked with the producers. Cake Heavy, Yeah that's my brother.

What I'm saying is like you got more patient than a rapper. Once I come out here as a rapper. I gotta be a rapper then sing the bayment and got them banging my bang. I got something to do two thousand beats. You don't take me nothing to do. I ain't gotta be in front of the camera, still trying to be no rapper ever, do me two thousand beats and gonna play with two thousand? Ye nigga dropp

a song? You as a rapper, How you look to, how you look to you know what I'm saying, what you're doing, So I don't need something I never even like, like for real, just to even think about it right now.

I never had the conversation like with the artists even here from this damn point though, you know what I'm saying, because it's usually me bringing more to it though, so you know, just kind of being selfish though, but not trying to like I was just kind of being like one side of like, okay, is I'm bringing the value to the situation though I never really like, I ain't gonna say I didn't mind. I didn't want to take

anybody at pinion then though. But it's like I got this ship figured out though, you know what I'm saying, So It's like I never really took in consideration and how artists would feel about this ship though, so you know what I'm saying, So so like that's your me just not knowing this ship though, Like so you know, like rapper because that's a that ship is a hard job. It is, Yeah, like in this day and time, like you gotta keep up with it. Like nigger, they ain't posting,

ain't got got no money, by no clothes, bro. Anytime you time you po you friend, what you ain't ain't they ain't gonna live. And then then ain't story you

got on? You don't fell off three days and they feel like you don't fell off a forever, especially if that's how you got on, especially came out like and then I know like it would be a lot of prey ship too with with like the rappers and ship though with the people that be around, I'll also be seeing that too, because you know, people might look at people might look at the situation bigger than what it is, and you know, start telling the artists man yo son

of yo, Man's like what's going on? Yeah? And then like sunny Year is my man's you know what I'm saying, Like It's all good though, man, get a rope. I'm I'm still open to working with artists though too, Like I'm not against it, like you know, I just like I said, just like you never did a whole like a whole project with somebody like yeah, I did it with a Savage, I did one with um. We did that shop with McConney. Everything was like it was the type of ships, like we was all working together, like

we was all honed in and stuff like um. But right now, nowadays, I'm not really like big on doing whole projects no more like I feel more comfortable probably coming in and doing like one or two beats or something, and I want to bring another produce. I'm really good at putting together projects, you know what saying. I could put together some good as ship though, Like I can put it together for you know, you can bring me your ship broken up, I'll tell you what to due.

We put that ship back together and put it out and had that ship ready to go. You know what I'm saying. I might come in and produce on some certain of ships if I need to, But for the most part, like right now, I ain't even got the time to like sit down and just do one project unless it's like, unless it's like one of the ones though, we're like, you know, the artist who gonna get us up out of there, and it's gonna do numbers and stuff.

But to build up part like getting the new artists and stuff, it's kind of hard to lock in and just do one project just sold me. I could produce it and put together for you though, but not actually sit down in the studio and do it every day with you though, you know. And on top of that too, I just feel like when when a lot of them sounds the new tapes would be kind of like you know, I'm a musical person though, so I like it to

sound different, you know what I'm saying. It's a lot of ship that we kind of like when when it's one sounds, it's one sound, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes I want to see how somebody sound like over another producer's beat, you know what I'm saying, and just you know, get a new vibe, you know what I'm saying. And I'm, like I said, I'm here for the opportunity to so I always try to bring in new people

into the situation, you know. So if we're doing a project or something, I see an opportunity for other producers to get in and you know, potentially like get a placement in their eyes and stuff. You know. So that's how I kind of work the situation versus me just being in there. I feel like like kind of like

how Mike will do. And if it is some producer that's fired though the owner, I probably end up signing the type ship though, you know what I'm saying, Like, so look with my producers, so look, look, look I can show you, I can I can show you my my my last, my last ship. Though, like I said, I'm an advocate on getting everybody pay because I was.

I was in the situation though, So as far as like you know, coming from producers standpoint, So with my producers right now, I'm giving them many advanced for show because I'm like, I know, I know, I can't. I'm what I'm giving the producers. I would have to add extra zero on top of that to make it for the artist and ship though, you know what I'm saying. But like the producers and stuff, you know, give them

a little ten fifteen, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, just in the house all they make crazy, but he'll team. But we've been to get you on better. You try to make such an album type ship beat, Bro, I'm gonna do. We made this ship right back. You're signed to me too. How much you selling beats for right now? Five dollars you're signed me, Bro. We're gonna study home forty racks. Bro. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna

make the money. We're gonna make all the money back though, you know what I'm saying, so like and that that that's so that's just a producer fee too, you know what I'm saying. Then then we talked about the royalties to not and you know, a year later the ship though, you know, that's when your money start rolling in. You know what I'm saying. You get do, get your sound. Once you get your sound happen once you hot, you hot,

you in. Yeah, you know, I don't know how to produce a tag ship going now, But I mean back then that that ship was like a major, major little thing for us to get known, you know what I'm saying, and have people know who he is and get some extra money and stuff, because like every time they hear the song, they hear your name Yeah, another thing I was doing to I would DJ and this ship I was going to doing all The producer studded, Yeah, I felt bad because I like this ship. It was too

simple though. I feel like I'm contact somebody your job, really, DJ. You know what I'm saying. I ain't a real DJ. You know what I'm saying. Too easy, too easy, d J screen, you know what I'm saying. Going on the stage, I'm getting by like Tim Rex. I'll have it though what Sunday and Metro was DJ and I was like I fought with it, but I actually I learned. I learned how to do it. You want to be DJ? Ship? Just mean I need to make bees. I can't be mad at this. I feel like, man, hey man, I

feel like I'm taking somebody's job. Man. I'm like, man, somebody couldn't do this ship. What's next for you? Uh? People ask me that it's just maintaining keeping this ship going, like like when you see yourself though, like I know you got goals and playing. I've seen it a little bit White Boys, and I mean the goal is uh from studio side camp CRAEC Studios, is to bring that that same style across the world. So we're trying to open up more locations and um, different cities, different states.

So from now when I want that to eventually be like when you think of creative especially within our culture music industry, you gotta shoot your stuff at a Camp Craik studios. So that's on that and on Collective Gallery of my label, we want to be as big as every other label was the biggest Death Jam, biggest QC, biggest,

everybody else doing it but for photographers. So that whole game plan is just the level of playing field, like where it's like it could be more photographers sitting here in this share I'm at, and it won't be normal. It won't be abnormal. It's like, oh we're talking to they got that shot, this cover, they got to this, and we got a lot to offer as well from a content standpoint. So for the label Collective Gallery, the

goal is to blow that up. I mean I want to see ten more labels about in the next year. I want other people doing it so then it's legit because that's another revenue train for photographers to get in

and get some support. Um. And then on a personal level, man, I just want to be as big as I could be and be as positive as I can be, And I really just want to do things that's gonna change the world, like in other ways other than just what we do within the culture, like I invest in stuff within the community, Like our partner with Sprite we put out fifty dollars to put out trash cans and recycling bins and bad neighborhoods just to like clean up the

litter to trash. Like I'm meant to like more than just what we do within the music industry, I want to take this following and do some better good for it. So hopefully within the next couple of years you'll start to see more things I do directly in the city that you could be like we got that because Cam did that, or this and that. So what we've got ship bro just working my side, a couple of artists, Hey, man zoom, just man on me, Man, you want to sign?

Are you're right so way you don't want to know it? Man and turning. I'm trying to tell he got the playing over there, Man, he got the player said right in the mix. Man, Yeah you see here a good mixed too, though, because he got he got, he got the money and he got the he got the outlet to get them right there, like he got um, what's

buddy name on? I can't tip my my schwits. He got tired in ba pocket tired, you know, tired he up there, You know what I'm saying, So he can't Man if you're tired and I'm gucci, I got the new audists right here, don't meet some money for her? Boom boom. You know what I'm saying and sending up through there. You know I ain't gonna say tired all though, but you you're a bit part here, big part in that situation, tied is that nigked for real? We're doing

salute salute, salute, salute. Appreciate you'all pulling up. You know what I'm saying, Cam Kurt must continue success. Did you bringing some ship too? Yeah? Okay, let me you got to do that Sunday digital boxes and ship and pictures queer salute Sunday't gonna get a nig ship of my shoes can count? Kirt? I got Kirk exclusive, Well, appreciate super. Let me get one of the boxes. You got some boxes for you, but I don't know gonna let me show it to you to bring that alright, no keeping plastic.

It's like the counch I just signed. Yeah, I just signed a new liquid deal. So I'm the face of this new brand called I w Okay. They actually under the family. What what kind of looking? It's a whiskey. They under the Diagio family to be honest to their partners with the rock and all that. It's all in the same household. But yeah, yeah, I just wanted to bring something to you guys. I don't know if y'all drink or not, but if not, what kind of looking?

It's a whiskey. Whiskey, Yes, one of those little things. Bourbon, Yes, fine bourbon. Yes, I w harper. Where they get this up? Man? You get that at any liquor store you want to go to. Yeah. Big, this is a big play for show and that's a that's a gift the merch for you as well. I know, I bless you already know that, but yeah, yeah, appreciate. Yeah. So so within this they made my own specialty cocktail. So within the within the boxes, it's all the ingredients to make like a drink that

they made or their signature for me. So when you go into it, tell you just how to make it. What you gotta put together so as to make cam Kirk basically and that's all the all right, Yeah, looking ship won't be some big money? Yeah yeah, some money right now? I know it is. Yeah, big shout out to cam Kirk, Sunny Digital. You know what I'm saying. Everybody, pull up. I got tied my life away to be allerged the country. Cam Kirk designed his life to ski

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