BIG FACTS feat. BIG OOMP

Big Bank. You don't be on nothing. I be on okay, So let me ask bring you big big facts right now. Visit the new website today Big factspod dot com line from the culture Lab in the ATL. It's time for that big facts, Big Bank, Baby j d J screen Welcome in today. A true at l o G, a true ATL pioneer, the legend Big OOMP is with us representing the Course records. What's up? What's up? What's uping man? Everything good with you?

God?

Thank you?

What up?

Salute you for pulling up. And we got so much to talk about, I mean, the endless amount of things to talk about. But first we just like to do it well. Just check everything is going good with Big On feeling good, Mine, mindset is good, spirit is good. And I know it makes you smile when you think about everything that's kind of circulating. Thirty three years of Big Oomp record, Yes, sir, thirty three years yeah, yeah yeah.

N I did, Man, I had no idea I was even gonna be in music. M you know, so for us to still be going thirty three years and like we're still gonna be another thirty three more. I never would imagine, never would imagine.

And it started before actually putting out action. And we'll get into some of those acts. You said, y'all just had like stores just slanging mixtapes.

Right yep. Started in ninety one.

I was, you know, I was in the streets doing something totally different from music. And me, I'm still South, you know, me, I'm still South, And dude night start evering more every one day at the job Corps. They had made this mixtape and they ran up on the truck and uh, back then I had a Cherokee with all the speakers and all that beating. They ran up on me with a mixtape they had them made, you know, like big boy put this in your tape there, I put it in, man, I think was knocking so hard

So you're originally from Saint Louis, right.

I'm originally from Southwest Atlanta. That's case Adam Drive.

I know that.

Jilly.

Yeah, my bad.

But okay, So when you first were coming up and getting everything together or getting started or whatever, you interned at Bobby Brown's studio.

Who notes read.

I've been reading the notes that were in your bio. I know I know you for real, but I'm just trying to like together. Yeah, and now they got the ship on your on your page on your bio.

Jenny did that Bobby Brown?

No, I'm sorry, I'm yeah.

I never had a job.

No, I know that, but I'm saying I thought it was like a little known fact that maybe I didn't know but my apologies.

Okay, So so basically you said, you just you slipped up into the music shit just by being the hostel.

By being in the right spot, meeting them guys at the red light. Yeah, they had made that tape, and uh, like I said, I basted some money into them jokers, and they went about a whole bunch of tape decks and all this equipment that they needed, new turntables and stuff.

Thirty three years, still in that one location.

That's the only spot I got left now, but thirty three years right there, old National discod got the road right, that was out second store.

So, what what's the like after the streaming and all that shit came about, Like how did that affect like the tape stores and shit? And then what you have to see a lot of then, well, way before the streaming, bootlegging came bootleggingh niggas on every corner every.

Gas, every parking lot. That was the first downfall of the mixtape game. Like niggas came with the bootlegging man. They were selling stuff for like two dollars, dollars, three for teen, all kind of crazy stuff. So that was the beginning of that the whole downfall. Then came the streaming, which really messed up everything. Record stores put out thousands of record stores. Uh you know, they was able to get the music for free. So streaming which is in now, it's still got music and shamls.

Shit, it's still screwed up.

You think that where the coaches started at in Atlanta with big On.

It's Big On that started to coaching because you gotta think we come to bomp shot not yet.

To get CD. We did get bad skilled.

Yeah, way one.

You know when we first started, you had a few black stores one but the half of it.

Yeah.

And but when we when we came, it was like we was younger, Like I said, I was in the streets. So we created a whole movement. And when we created that movement with the mixtapes and record stores, then we started the TV show. We started the TV show that really solidified us as like these are niggas you got to see when you come to another you want to promote some music, anything, you gotta come see these joggers. Now at that time we had them blow Jail up

It was Jelly.

So Jelly was doing like two three clubs a night. Then my tape got hot, he was doing two or three clubs. So on the weekend we covered.

Like six of the hottest crump clubs.

You know what I'm saying.

And shoot man. At that time, it was like, you want to put out a record, you won't even be in the music. Then you just got to come and deal with up because we had the TV show Want Nobody interviewing niggas back then like that, we had the twelve record stores, we had the DJs. No, we were ready breaking records. You know what, you had to see us, Do you want to get your record? Really moved through the A broke We had to be a part of that.

So let me ask you this, how do you how important do you think the break and mortar locations were to your ability to be able to proclaim yourselves as the kings of the South when it came to promotion as far as records and stuff and artists were concerned.

Like I said, we had a store on every side of town, all the way around two eight to five. No, what were the largest retail black chain that we would allow your product to come in the store. Back then, they had the Turtles and the Blockbuster music. All of them was changed so they wouldn't even up independent music. Rico Brooks was the first guy to start bringing and hipping in independence.

Peppermint music. But outside of him, it was.

A handful of black stores and they was funny bringing independent product in. So that's what really made me create the whole retail chain. We were like, you know what, man, they ain't the independence ain't really got no help. So I started bring it, bring it, bring it, bring it, bring like passing Troy. We was the one that broke Pastor Troy here in Atlanta, like, don't nobody bring that in? I was the first one bought one hundred CD from that lady Canon Augusta put it in all my store.

That dropped some fact.

That's what I was getting at.

With DJ was mostly on the east Side. Yeah, I remember DJ.

Yeah, that was had the east Side. He was the man before we even got started. You know what I'm saying, Like he had the thing on lot, but he was the east side. The West Side wasn't really up on the you know. It was like traveling out of.

Town man, then out of town SAT day. For the South Side, you stayed on simpthing. Nigga, You ain't going out the own national for what. You ain't going to the road, you know what I'm saying.

Like they didn't go down. Yeah, Like he had the whole ship and we was on the west side. We wasn't even out in the east side. That JA put out a disc tape Smurf No, Yeah, DJ, Smurf Lady, d J Kids and Rob king up with J Player punto all them druggers. They just us.

No, that's what it really blowed us up.

I remember that.

That's how that's how we really took That's how we put him out of business. To be honest, we put him out of bill. It was over by the time we got out there fast man.

Shoot.

It was a dude named e T had a speaker booth out there and he got in touch with Howard MC and Song were like, man, y'all got to come get this tape, man, they gotta take that don dish. Y'all out him from a dude ran a roll out there, got this tape and then she said, DJ Smurf goes fishing Jetty something like that.

Man.

We put a whole production together, this the whole J team. Yeah, just all of wrapping. We made up songs.

Man.

It was like Doctor dre produced that mix tape and that ship blew up when.

It went from J team to nothing Southern style DJs camp. Not that there was no distion, but what movement you think came after y'all that kind of kept it going as far as like Atlanta DJ movements.

Well after our whole ride you had, so you had drama came started super but not mixtapes. We were like running mixtape for I don't know a whole bunch of years.

Drama was the one that came when.

He started the Yeah, the personal mixtape, Grills and he did the he did all the advertising. That was really the next person to come and do. When us we stayed underground, you know what I'm saying, Like we knew we was illegal, you know what I mean. We want you to know what we were doing and kind of

Nah. Yeah, how That's what I can ask you.

How y'all managed to stay like just out of the bullshit, you know what I'm saying. You know the bullshit niggas go through and they had this long of a run, you know.

What I'm saying.

How y'all how you how you steal away from all the bullshit?

Because I never got mingled with the outside people, Like we started as a family from the streets and they grow and the core people that was the head of the whole situation with street guys, which was my guys. We didn't mingle outside of our.

Circle, you know what I'm saying, trying to cross over to them.

Yeah, yeah, we had our own space. You know what I'm saying.

If you don't come in our space, we really ain't mingling with you, you know what I'm saying. So we don't stay out the way of all everything. You don't ever hear big They ain't caught up in nothing nothing. In fact, you know what I'm saying. I stay out the Trokles way. You know what I'm saying. I'm just here to help people. I ain't here to you know, being no miss. You know, if it comes our way, it will take care of but that I ain't looking for it.

So like when you were when you were first starting out, and you were first like because because you were already a street dude. So when you started seeing like some real motion and success with like the music shit, like you didn't want to go out and turn up with the team.

It ain't that either.

So we really was been underground our whole life. But we've been successful underground our whole life. But when I put out unk and we got the song walk It Out, that that really.

Took us outside of Atlanta.

Georgia, the South, like we were with nationwide number one record in the country, and that really was our first bust. You know what I'm saying to the world everywhere. You know what I'm saying, our mixtapes, it's all over the world. But it was just mixtapes other people music. But we came with unk in that walker out jumped out there, and man, it took us to another whole level. And shoot,

So I went about to.

Go getting tangled up and all that stuff that was going on out there. So I bagged up and my host scess of a hit record. I was in the house standing out the way of trouble because.

It feel like you're gonna get caught up in the in the mix.

Of them, because.

You know, to be speaking and you know, at this time, when I'm talking about BMF had to hit the city, and they was the ship like they was the conversation every night.

Baby D was my artist.

Baby D got plugged in with them guys and started running with him real tight. And it's like now unt Camp is involved with BMF.

Now it's unt Camp and BMF.

And they was doing so much that I knew trouble was coming, you know what I'm saying. Like I said, I I didn't want that kind of heat. I was I'm already doing good for myself with no heat. That was a lot of heat. I saw it was coming. So by the time I record hit, I had to put myself out the way because the streets was BMF. I don't give damn what club you were. You hit BMF here, bml J left and it's a fight here Da da da dah. I just I couldn't get involved

So when you talk about the track record of Big Big On Records. Obviously if you if you talk about your roster, you was telling me it started with Major Bank. Y'all had Sammy Sam Baby d recipes a little c uh. I know it's more than I probably intoxicated uh local dj on. But even outside of that, what is it called top quality productions?

Stop quality production?

We was talking to Monte to y'all produce some big records, one of them being flow right Along, which I know y'all still eat good off of to this day. What's some of the other records and some of the other people that you felt like y'all y'all pushed up their careers, that y'all should get flowers.

For Man, we got so much production out though.

Tons like.

Yeah, gee, crying up gee, he said, t I, man, we don't did. I don't know how much slew a production, but I don't really really really really really really really remember it's the ones that make the mailbox miles. So I might always go back to the floor Rider, you know, walk it Out, two Step, Get Low, and Sugar is my biggest four records out of NDS. Walking Down, two Step, Get Low, Get Low, and Sugar is another record, flow Rider, which one is Sugar. It had a Chick Night Sunshine

Okay, But even outside of that, you're speaking like.

They had a bunch of more record foolish.

Foolish low Yeah, Yes, a lot of records. Yeah, But I'm saying even outside of that, like you got a salute the camp brand for like you said, past the Troy, But I ain't gonna lie, like I think like a lot of the lot of those like t I mixtapes and all that stuff I got for y'all stores, and there's a lot of like different artists that came just through them stories all cooking.

So so so as far as.

Broke like yeah, broke Flowers, Flowers, all of the production of John Yeah, boys who you with?

Boys who were to put in the work with that who you were in nineteen ninety seven we had on our mixtape back then you bought our mixtapes to hear new records.

Freaknick.

We broke who you with? During Freaknik That was the first one on our hottest mixtape, and we was nigga. Everybody came to a lot and got left with with mixtapes during them freakniks. You going out of Auburn Avenue. We got ten boosts from one end all the way down to the other.

Exclusive.

You can't get nobody music but our mix tapes. But Rocco.

That's what That's what I'm trying to get your whole pocket. I'm trying to get you the fop in a little.

Everybody who first was coming out, man, you came through us because we're the one that really broke your records from the radio. Jelly was doing five o'clock traffic game with smoking Beat, go back, go back to raheem, were breaking rahem, most beautiful girl and all that.

You know what I'm saying. We were way back then, like oh shit, man, everybody.

What's what's what's one situation that might have like you know, won't get emotional, but like hurt you though, Like man, we really, we really put it all out there to help break this artist. And then like we might have wanted some love back for a feature or whatever it might have been, and they might not have kept it real. Have you had those.

Unfortunately? Man, It's crazy.

We have so much respect from people and we give respect to well, we ain't never really gotta know three thousand jumped on the record when he was.

Charged me, he wrote and gave me the publishing.

Heard this so much for this city, you can have this.

He wasn't even rapping at that time, that's all right, and he killed.

He took the record at number one here. Yeah, we ain't even have New York the record first came out. We didn't have up top when Jim Jones and Drake got on that record. That she was number one on all them stations Boston, everywhere, all them top stations up north. Who was number one on every station over there?

What made y'all kind of keep it independent throughout? Because I think at that time y'all was doing business way it was a catch.

Or so, to be honest with you, we didn't really keep it independent. I just didn't know no better. I had my own money, you know what I'm saying. If I didn't have money, then I probably hurt up and try to find a way.

To New York. You gonna get a job, get a deal, you know.

Right, People's coming out there, like Lula, they had to go get it.

Everybody was coming out at that time.

They didn't have money, so they had to go get deals. I had money, so it ain't crossed my mind. I need a deal, you know what I'm saying. I was winning, we had the regularly, you know, we had our own movement, and we was doing good, you.

Know what I'm saying.

And I didn't have the knowledge to know, go get a deal. When I got Sam and Sam hot with Rhyme with some players in the score card wanted.

To sign Sam.

Well, so I didn't understand, Damn they won't Sam. I need to sign Sam. I was like, man, I gotta sign the camp were the own camp, Like I got five artists. I ain't just breaking my stuff up. You know, you gotta sign everybody. And at that time, I'm visually looking at cash Money, No Limit, swave House. Then was the three labels that was doing good, went at my success time, and I'm like, sure, man master Peace started dropping records, he got a record deal, cash money. They

Man.

I supposed to have just been like, hell, yeah you can sign Sam. Let go, let Sam get through the door. Now here come whoever, baby, deal whoever the next artist. I was just like, now, y'all gotta sign the whole camp. I ain't sign the whole camp everybody that I ain't breaking my stuff up. And that was a mistake. That was a mistake. So if I would have new then mentally making the right decisions at that time, I would

Should have been a little broke, you know.

And got thing I'm thinking different that what it was really at least he admitted it.

Else when.

What's some ship that you've seen in this ship now that you be like, man, I never would have saw this fly these day and time. I bet, like back from where we come from, it's like ship that going on now even have to be in the music and it could just be anything.

Well, for what I'm gonna say now, because I called football and I'm around these children, man, parenting. If I got to speak on anything about that subject, I got to take it back old school and say parenting man, because when I was a child, parenting, man, you get slot, nigga, you get knocked out with your pants, ain't going off your ass, with your hair, napping with your cussing, talking crazy? Oh yes, sir, no, yes, unless yes ma'am. Like I'm

Man. What you think like when you look at modern day Atlanta where you think the city kind of went to the went left? Where you think things started going left with Atlanta?

When you say what you mean, just.

Like I guess people be feeling like Atlanta needs to be a place where you could kick it. It was always the streets. But like you can kick it and don't have to worry about certain things. But everybody it's basically they don't feel like it.

Parenting, okay, after it, it affects everything you can. Man, niggas were coming here from everywhere.

It was gravy. They can wear.

They jewelry out and stuff. Man, listen, I have a nice car on my jewey. I would not pull up getting off the fucking highway on Martin Luther King.

I'm gonna be like, because I don't want to kill one scared nigga. Support the hustle up. Ain't got no care. I got cash out.

You know what I'm saying. They sold the man, but they all over your car. They'll stand on top of his spell man listen, Man parenting, parenting.

Nigga blue man.

A lot of them switched cars of parenting and it was safe. Like like she just said, it was safe. I remember the good days. So it being say, I remember the days when it wasn't all the shooting. You know, when I was young and my twins, it wasn't a whole bunch of I almost knew who the killers was, almost knew who the killers were?

You almost knew how not to set.

Yeah, go in that neighborhood. You know Jay Bull over there? Now you go there, now.

Gold over there?

You know you go over that tard over there.

You know what I'm saying. You kind of know who the killers is.

You know what I'm saying now you don't know.

That little joker right there with the pair hangout and twisting the head put a bullet in bangs.

Right Parenting, Then.

If you can bring a club back with which one would it be.

The Bounce even though it's a club, But it ain't the Bounce. I bring the bun I made so much money at the bounceding parties, Man, three thousand people. Man, the bounce, even though I love the five five Man, you know that I had great days.

Is like, man, the Bounce is like fifteen.

You know what I'm saying.

I gotta go to the Bounce because I've done so many big parties at the I did five five nine part I did three twenty one parties. I did like a pavilion parties. I done did parties and a lot of them street clubs back then. But the Bounce has been the ultimate for me.

Be nothing like the Bounce Bounce downstairs. Les was crazy too though downstairs downstairs that what j it was downstairs they had super friends in them upstairs, but downstairs there's a lot of records broke downstairs, especially the east side west of Courtland, the originals on Courtland.

Downs at the bottom.

Down, So that's when east.

The niggas, the niggas with the money used to be in the Bounce.

Boy like oh yeah, the bounces. They had everything. They had the bigger.

Man, you know, people with the traffic on two way to five getting off on bank. It was down two way to five. Yes, crazy, crazy boy. Then I used to do them parties and most apart man for my birthday. Thousands people used to come to them parties all over everywhere, come flying.

From out of town everywhere. There weren't no, weren't nobody doing this.

Like you said, you all gonna know who who what?

Yeah and what's what? Yeah, but you know such to them that that yeah, that used to be the biggest.

Like the only person that I know that was even comparable was like Danny Boy and that then.

But other than that, like that, it was like big.

Like getting money, that's what that's I think that's I think that's what it is. Parenting for sure.

Ain't no mom, no more money.

Nigga don't know how to though.

They don't know how to get no money because anything like what we used to do, go buy, spend fifty dollars, ten dollars, nigga, I don't spend five dollars to try to come up before a breakdown.

What we used to do is below. These niggas standard d day. They don't feel like they're supposed to start with.

But see, man, another thing is it's like taking one out of these max back then either and you can trust a homide. Now boy, you can't lift your homie see too much, but you'd be dead for that what he saw. You ain't gonna find a way the trip acrossing for.

That, but find a way to running mouth.

I'm trying to tell you, man. And you know, back then it's just the killing one. It wasn't out there like that. I ain't got no switches now, boy, that you ride by a scene now used to be sem eight fifteen, a little yeller thing because nigga got fifteen shots and then nine or whatever. Now you ride about somewhere, man, it's a hundred of them little yellow thing. It's one hundred shells out there. Now, Man, three seconds, I ain't shot that thing. That's one hundred shells laying out there.

Top three of all time out of Atlanta rappers.

Man, God, why you put it on?

We gotta do it. We're gonna close this conversation after this because we don't have a lot of debates on big facts and we're not gonna add lib. We're gonna let him say what he says.

It's gonna be tough because I'm older, you know what I'm saying.

So a lot of that new stuff I can't understand what they're saying. Don't get offended, Jade like y'all through. I don't know what the hell didn't he talking about it?

I know he one of.

Them biggest atl artists of the last ten years, an know. So you know I'm about to I'm out this my top three, this is my top three. I'm about to go with Jesu t I, the old TI, now this new t Im about the twenty folds and the first to all that right there with all the money.

You don't want to all that, Yeah, I want to hear the old. Yeah.

So I'm here in my top because because he done made that music. I used to ride, I mean really enjoy too. And I might have go with Sam and Sam Samon Sam one of my favorite rappers. Like you take me back to a group, I might have to go with the Diablos. That's how old school I am. You know what I'm saying.

They had the streets on fire. Hey, but who you think?

Which artist you think had the biggest This is the question had the biggest impact to the world?

From eleven and in eleven who had the biggest impact?

Three?

Talking about song or just a whole run the person?

How had impact on people? Lets it go for song cultural impact?

Cultural impact from song Andre three thousand on what talk of our remix? He said, make your mama proud? Take their shirt two sizes down. Member shirts is way down here? Who's wearing about the whole world was wearing white T shirts down to your knees, right, and that's came out.

That was it for white teams down to your knees.

You are correct.

They ended the era of it. They ended the era of white teams down to your knees. He said, make your mama pride, take their shirt two sides of day.

And that was it. I see no more white teams, white T shirt.

That's one moment, though, Come on, come on?

Which go ahead? Go ahead?

He was about to say which artists.

Which artist has had the biggest influential impact from Atlanta?

Which artists had the biggest influential impact? Crazy, I don't know, man, Sure lately it's been youngd Up like he'd been the hottest got little baby, you know, but influence, I don't know.

I don't know.

Tell me like how TUPI say, Jesus say too, I say future, future for sure, Pluto for sure in my opinion, See.

I don't listen to the future. I can't hardly understand something.

She going too fast?

Too slow?

Was I be smoking?

Man?

Man, you need some scar face. No, I'm old school to tell you. You tell your music now, don't. You can't even really he what y'all talk about? Man talking though, frust like the man, I don't know, no foulk be talking. I can't hear no, folks, I can't hear that.

The funny you know, the funny thing is.

Walk it like you talking.

I love that.

Let's stop with my record.

Yeah, listening to that one, I heard that clear.

What I did?

Did y'all? Y'all had to do some beatings on that record.

Yeah, yeah, thirty percent of it.

That's dope. This it's funny though in the nineties I think it was Booty shape and then it's like cast get him all the dungeon and all that. That was one thing. But see then, like the people a little bit older than yourself, even when Oak Camp came with the crunk, some of them couldn't digest it, like yeah, you see what I'm saying because everybody's all ug K and this kind of yellow. So it's just funny how the ship progresses.

And well what about me?

When I tell you, uh made the song walking out and I come in the studio they played the record, was like my tale, Like, man, this is a hit. I was like, he said, we got a hit. I said, oh yeah, I said play it man. Thing came on walking out, walk in, walk out? Like what what what?

He said? Oh man, this is a hit. They need to come out now.

I said, play it again, man, that man, play that record. Man, I could not hear what.

He talking about two Step? After that, he said, man.

Well a gainster label. Man, we can't come with walking out? Walking out?

What what what doing?

He was like, oh, man, this a hit, like I'll tell you this ship gonna hit. And I was like, man, play it again. I couldn't hear it, man. But the best thing I did was not say, Man, we ain't thinking about I say, man, if that's how you feel, I said, I tell you're gonna break the record. I'm gonna break the record.

This is a hit.

Alright, let's go get it mixed and go. And that's how that had happened. But other than that, that thing was almost shut down.

Did that change your whole perspective on ship, because right after that was two steps, two step came around to them, Yeah, and that was gonna be No.

There was some dance record all over again, and I was just like, man, but end up being the here too.

So the remixes really took both of them up through there.

So having them type of records like and being the type of nigga that y'all was, did y'all go place? And nigga tried y'all like y'all with that type of record, when y'all come places.

No, be honest with you, Bro unc blowed up outside of Atlanta. As far as shows, yeah, he can count on one hand probably him being booked in Atlanta at that time.

During yeah that she skipped the chicken Yeah yeah.

Mm hmm.

She went it was like hit white people in college people no niggas, no niggas riding around and no cut be you know, setting don't.

Walk it out. No, I ain't never even been to walk it out show mm hmm. Never.

You just had the business. Never is that is? That is? That is the artist, the artist that you had a chance to sign, that you missed out on, that you slept on, that they got.

They blew up t I he cousin name too. He's dead now, rest in peace. But Bro tipped to me at least three times begging me to sign him.

You ain't see it, see that.

So at that time I was doing what I was doing. But you know, when you're working on the inside, you don't see the picture.

From the outside. From the outside a little.

I knew what I was doing, but I had money, so we just doing the mad street promoding. People were seeing stuff. But man, at the same time, I didn't know what I was doing. Man, I'm learning this shit day by day. I ain't have a clue what I was doing. It was just day by day by day.

And at that.

Time, man, I was like, man, I don't want to sign nobody, like, I don't know what I'm doing. I signed tip. I don't know how to really put no artists out.

You know what I'm saying.

I'm learning day by day, like literally just coming up with ideas. Hey man, we about to get some posters made. Hey man, we about to get some fly man. Hey man, let's go hit them stoves on the East side. Hey man, were coming over stuff day by day, just building the blueprint. I didn't know. Indiri came to my office with her guitar. Indiri came to my office with her gut tar, did a record. I'm just looking at her like, I don't know what the hell to do with this.

I don't have a clue. At the time, we got dropped around the club and ship.

You know what I'm saying, not playing a good talk man, I don't know what man, crime up crime I first got started a little dude. Was it Jay Will trying to get me to trivial try to get me to sign them. Who else at that time Jerome tried to get me to partner with him with the Diablos.

M hm.

But the biggest one is Tip, Like, I know I turned that down at least three different times with his cousins bringing them to me.

What you say, turned down? Like? How's that? Like? What's that conversation? Like? Is it just no? You know, keep doing your thing, bro, I don't.

Know what I'm doing.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

It look good. I'm just spending money. I talked him like, I'm telling you how yeah, the same thing. But he just kept feeling like the more and more he saw be su stuff because if nobody wasn't doing it, Remember, nobody wanted doing this, so he's just seeing, He's just seeing. He was like shit, you know, he felt like I probab knew what I was doing, but man, I didn't have a clue. I wish I did. She was definitely been my artist, you know, like they say, one of

You think if you would have made some of the moves a little differently, Like I feel like big On was like the first QC. But you think you would have had like that type of success if you would have made some different decisions or.

If you would have greater knowledge, Oh yeah, I'll probably be I'd be one of the biggest probably labels facts to this.

Day right now.

If I would have went on the jump then in the with the big dog. Know I'm I got a big dog. Make you a superstar?

You know what I'm saying. You know, tell that what my career would have been.

I would have been around people who got the knowledge of saying, now you need to do this, you need to do this, you need to do that.

I was just me. I didn't have a mentor. I didn't have nobody go.

Sit down to and be like, so, you gotta think when I got started, Coach k was coming up my steps asking me what to do, what I'm doing, Jason Jeter, who had t I coming up my steps asking me what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, Scooter who managed just to autumn, Scooter Bru coming up my steps asking me what I'm doing, how I'm doing Like I was the fourth front before all these guys tuck off with their careers and their artists.

You could never Maybe I'm just throwing it out there. Make a call to a Jermaine Duprix or somebody from the face for no game or no nothing like that. Y'all didn't have that type of camaraderie.

Ah back then, I was a straight street dude.

Jam uh yeah, I got you know, you know he was that guy at that.

Yeah he won.

I couldn't even imagine us sitting down even talking at that.

Probably wouldn't want to talk.

Yeah, two three niggas with me braid looking like I slapped, tell me.

Yes right right. There wasn't even any damn.

It was a shade.

It was a niggas feel like you type of ship out of them those dark, those black ass shaves.

That was it.

And the hundred people in the ump shirts. Man, they didn't go nowhere less than the honey.

Oh yeah, but that's how we broke Jenny. Jelly was a d J. We moved Jenny around like an artist.

I remember.

Jelly around like we putting up the club like nigga Jenny.

You know what I'm saying.

We with Jenny and we all got to get up there there. I mean, it's been so many times we don't have to put that ship down and then the next time it's all g you know what I'm saying, Like we with Jerry, we with Jailly, you know what I mean. Moved jail around like he was an artist and it worked twenty deep with a DJ's.

The relationship still in tact with like everybody from on camp to do like if you'll, if y'all, y'all just did a reunion birthday. But it's the relationship in tach with obviously Jelly Monte Baby d.

Baby work my booth now out there on National that's who Okay on Fridays and Saturdays. Okay, that's hard. Still me and Jelly my Tay. So we got an app all our mix tapes on the app called mix Tape Mobster.

That's hard.

Where's Where's now?

I'm still doing shows. She just did the wall.

She got there late, so I ain't do the birthday man, but he got that show coming up with next week at State.

Farm, Easy Pop Restaurant.

I just owe my up a restaurant on five teen Fabrine Road, that Burger's Hole, Wings and Rolls just a four million back, maybe twenty five items good food.

And you spoke a little earlier of Sammy Sam. Where is Sammy Sam?

What I'm saying?

I just really yeah, he came always been home less than a year, did like ten ten years?

Mm hmmm, uh we did a ten.

Year bit, did you you? Was it was Roco doing business with Sam before you or after you after me?

So I had Sam, Sam went to jail. Sam came home and signed with Rocco.

I wanted to.

Say that Rocco had a step dad. It's song song it to Smurf Rocket Rocky Road, Rocket Road.

Yeah, I think so.

I think you might have did the cross deal with smur something and Smurf walked them into Universal and stuff your say.

I came home and I.

Got with them with my prison about three or four years.

Yeah.

I just seen Sam at the concept.

Yeah, you're on point right now. It's the best. I don't seen him on focus and on point. And since I've known them.

Had that b.

That was for years.

Was crazy. This was hard be talking. Sam and Troy went at it too, right, Yeah, yeah, I remember that. I had to hit it beer yeah, oh yeah, Sam and try Yeah. But that's when you could go at it and.

You know, nobody fighting music even see that the same I ain't really never really want to know.

I beef.

You know what I'm saying. He just do it for entertainment, keep the name going. I'm so bride here, came home and did nobody now to get it? Probably know any of the shoot no, though it's a little different. Probably you're gonna really gonna fire your glass up.

Ain't to say, you know, damn guarringing like your ass.

Let's gonna get it, boy.

Anything else to got big fat if big On wasn't the record executive. What do you think your other.

Callings about your real estate portfolio?

I just see now I'm learning.

Yeah, that's what I would be doing real estate. I don't like thirty one properties.

There you have it.

If I want to do my music, probably be heavily. I'll probably be building this shit downtown.

But no, m.

What's thirty What the next thirty look like?

Next thirty years?

Be a couple of more restaurants, maybe a chain of restaurants, maybe two different guys, three different guys, chain of restaurants, probably building some multi unit stuff. Just shot a movie. It's at editing, So some more movies and that's about it. Man, I don't have a lot of more stuff I want to do at all. Really at my end the retirement stage, I just got to finish up some stuff that I already been doing. The restaurant is the newest adventure, but

And yeah, that's it. I got shoot smoke movies, a.

Lot, a lot of a lot of like record e section, I guess like Lucy and Grange and some of the people they'll put like the kids in control of their label. Like is that the future for Big On Records are.

I don't even deal with the record like Big Corey my.

Son, Yeah, he run all that stuff.

He got like ten places in his last year. This production game is crazy right now. And Trigger Steward he over there working with Tricky Like Trigger got him in the headlock right now. So he got a bunch of big records back.

Would you sign one of these young niggas, Like if they was hot in the streets right now?

Would I?

Yeah? I would, you would?

But so crazy story right, So there's been a lot.

Of hot street artists.

But man, they so far street, Bro, I'm so far out the way of that. I'm like, Man, I can't even do it. I can't even I don't even want to touch it, man, because I don't want I like, standing outside of my partner, like at my office, I don't feel like I gotta get it. But these young boys, I might. I can't stand out there no more. Man, what was out here getting into me? So I rather not even engage into all the young stuff.

That's going on. You were involved with the game, you.

Were involved with the guns, all that shit that's causing deaths, twenty year prison sentences.

Stay away.

I don't want no part and I don't want my son, bro, because he got a life to live. We got a bunch of businesses that he can gonna inherit it. He don't need that trouble to make my money, you know what I'm saying. So all money ain't good money. That kind of money right there for me at my age, the mature level I'm at and the peace of mind where I'm at no price to it. I can't sign none of that crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying. My son and my tape, they won't see, you know

You know what I'm saying.

I don't want my son dealing with the y'all niggas.

They like why you put my record out yet the ain't want to cuss, be disrespectful. That shit go two ways fast, you know what I'm saying. And trouble because this kid don't even know how to respect they boss.

Men, you know what I'm saying. And that's just idea though you know how to talk to spend their.

Money on them. You think you think that's a little awkward because I'm just keeping it real. You might sign somebody or you might have that type of tension. But they don't go to the big labels with all that, Like they don't have that same energy with the big, big big labels. Bro, they don't. Bro, have we seen any of them. They might go on social media and complain, but they don't get in their face.

And actually, but I feel like they don't get in their face with the big labels and do all that because they don't have they don't have the same type of access. That's a good point to the big labels as they do right here with them.

That's a great point. That's a great point.

Like they can't get man, they can't get past clearance to get to fucking lootion.

That's real. You can't pull up to Manhattan or LA and just go upstairs and talk to them that ship. Yeah, but you can pull up to office and be like, oh what the hell?

Yeah, like I say, parenting man, the young.

Boy that's the name of this episode.

Got no respect, you know what I'm saying. Put up, why this DJ ain't playing my record? And then up man stuff man too much to come too much?

For real? I agree.

Give me a artist who ain't talking about all that craziness and he can you know, you know how to promote himself, you know how to do his social media and stuff and listen to that.

Mm hmm.

But the street stuff, that money is it is gone for me.

It's gone the same way.

Give me an artist who topping that stuff and he just ain't that street dude. You just know how to wrap it.

If you keep.

I don't.

I don't want no rep.

That's the I don't want no part. Even if he ain't doing he bring that should have tracked this ship though, real. So Yeah, like you said, I.

Am the man.

When we first came out with East Side versus the West Side, Bro, we go do shows, you gonna always have these few niggas standing in the front to shoot gang sign bean mugging, maybe straight.

On some other stuff. Man.

Everybody jumping around, they enjoying the show, they enjoying the record. But you got them few little druggers right there. Man, they on some well I can't wait the kitchen or something, you know, just throw it out, man. Yeah, when it was Stemma eight back then, and it's about a hundred of them now, i'na go.

Everybody gotta switch. Yeah, everybody don't go parenting.

But do you think Okay, speaking going back to parenting and all of that, do you think that a lot of these issues with these newer younger kids outside of the parenting also have to do with the fact that most of these people are residents of drug users all that.

Check this out, right, So I coached football, y, so I don't coach cust the kids, right, another cust the kid don't even low cussing in my program. Well, there's so many other programs out there around now they got. You can go on YouTube right now and pull up some game. You got six year old kids, sell them a all the way up to fourteen cussing, Yeah, I

Is crazy man. But you think about it, guess what's definitely doing. It's so many.

Kids play sports, right right. I wish I could be the guy, but I ain't the guy. I wish macaolm Mix or Martin Luther King or somebody can just drop down and say, all your youth coaches, All y'all from that side of town, that side of town, that side of town, that city, that city, that state, this state, all y'all come come here. Guess what come here? All y'all can be the new leagers of our youth. Facts right, y'all got so much control over the youth and power.

Y'all got more power than the parents.

Right, all your knuckleheads, let's do this plan right. No more cussing the kids. Let's make sure the kids going to school. Let's make sure the kids saying yes sir, no sir. Let's make sure the kids saying thank you to their mom and daddy.

Drop it.

Let's make sure the kids say I love you mom and daddy, good night mama. Let's be their mentors and lead them the right way. Let's set up programs to where we educating them to beat something in life, getting them ready for cottage court. This is so much that US football coaches can be leaders to the youth.

But guess what, it's so many of.

Them knuckleheirs want to win so bad they really give a damn about what's going on with the youth. Wesh, they steps after they leave them, they caress they just want to win right now. So if they can put that anger in the kid that kill them in talenting the kid to go out there and win, they got to beat them or cuss them and make them feel like I'm about to knock his dig in the dirt all of their stuff. And that's what the coach is

Man, it's just foodish man, it's crazy.

I hate going to a game, and I got my kids together and I'm talking to them, saying positive words and stuff about how let's go win. But then we got to hear the right cross walk with right cross ten yards, they chomping up and down knock a nigga ship.

Like what what bro be trying to knock a nigga shit loose?

Too?

While by putting that thing, he but that what though you're putting all that killer instinct, then they're gonna be the ones they're ready to put that sweet ready to shoot your.

Ass eight of time. You know what I'm saying.

You already instilled in that that grit. You know what I'm saying, you putting that grit. You know you're putting that and it ain't no decent grit. It ain't no go be tough Bill d One athlete, scholar, athlete, not a nigga ship. Listen, you ain't thinking about education, You ain't thinking about no respect, no nothing. Are you thinking about going to get that wrap?

Mhm? This question for everybody sitting in this space. Would you ever move from Atlanta? Meaning as in your primary residence where you go every day, it's not Atlanta? Would you ever move from Atlanta.

Yeah, I would, I would always have a house here, but I would.

Because I would, I will.

I would like to sell your house here and now.

You live just get the hell on the way from that.

No, never would see it for myself either, which I ain't no telling.

Yeah, I know up but but but as I get older, I never know. You know what I'm saying, I might want to go and enjoy that beautiful weather, a house late boats.

You know what I'm saying.

That's a lot of living out there, man, if you got the money, it's another next level of living out there, another next level living with that money. You know, with a piece of man, man, you can go enjoy it. But now when I leave Atlanta, know but ship violence so bad here, Nigga, I'm scared when I leave, I get to the West side, but they're like here on the foot little water board.

You know what I'm saying that Nigga five years ago.

Knocking nigga ship, trying to tell you, man.

Nigga knocking ship ship man Damn Harry one team said, who's scared? The kids say they scared when they bitchyad.

Kids eggs.

You're talking about high school cheers, kids no care.

Who's scared. They were pulling them to.

The kids to be coached by them.

To huh the parents allow on their kids to be coached by them type of guys.

Yeah, but see that.

But see that ship right there, That ship be causing the ship to be happening off the field with the parents because I know, like when when I when, like when used to play and like they used to play some some kids that were just like out of control, like I.

Used to come on the field. I'm like, who the hell are y'all playing with?

Like in real life? First kJ kJ kJ they played football for me. She brung kJ out there when he was six and Joe had on rough kJ up right, not fighting, but just doing mauled him up on a plate. This girl done ran out on the field. You no grab kJ What are doing?

She cussling in there. I go, woh whah, woah, woah, woh wah.

You can't come out of and do that.

I mean, straight boy by the junk boy ready to go am.

But it's like, but you see how like when they be having like shootings and stuff at like little kids games, it be because of the k not nigga shit looses like like these kids are only don't know what they're taught.

So like when they go.

Over the line and like do more than just tackling or you know, they really be trying out there trying to kill niggas and shit. Like if you are out there trying to kill my child, I'm not going for that. Like if you if you grabbing my child and shaking them and slamming them to the ground and doing all that and not playing football.

I'm not going for that.

Need to take in the Ivy League, maybe we trying to knock.

A ship on the strong survide who wanted to. I understand what they it's a bullshit, But.

But you got parents that ain't going for that ship.

Now you're right.

It ain't got to have all this. I've been coaching twenty two years. I've been in the championship seventeen times and don't won ten championship without all of that, without all the.

Oh man, none of that.

It don't it don't take that to go and have a successful season and teach the kids and develop the kids. You know, it don't take all that. I did it too many times. Start out fifty teams in that age group at the end and no family. It's on the two teams. Seventeen times out of twenty two years, I've been one of them, two teams at the end, no cussing, zero.

Hey, it was one of the biggest misrepresentations of Atlanta that you think people got from somewhere else that you're like, Man, I just want to straighten this up.

This ain't this, ain't that with this, ain't elemta you know what I'm saying.

Mm hmm.

That's a good question. You got me right there, because shoot, the gaze is here everywhere. The scammels, Oh.

Man, they ain't lying on the lying on that.

Give me that one right there. You gotta good one. That boy who got the ansle with that boy? Look at her, Look at boy. I don't know what's the answer about. You're crazy. I see they lie on. That's what's going over there. Y'all think touch out, we move man.

More scammer than drug didders, Yeah, scammers and drug dodders.

But that goes back to a lot of these a lot of guys or girls or you know what I'm saying. Whoever, they don't And I'm not saying that you don't have to hustle to scam.

But like.

Hustle when you're talking about hustling and scamming versus selling drugs, like you gotta you gotta really know what you're doing, and you gotta really be able to push your product and stay down and take that risk.

And you know what I'm saying, all kind of ship like it ain't that ship.

It's a lot of shit before scamming. Man, you get hustled by anything. Bolts said that we shoot, Yeah, everything, shade, butter, incense, whatever you get. You to hustle to flip a dollar. Man, niggas don't want to rub up taking scam now. They ain't got no hustle. They ain't trying to find a product. They gonna put two three penns of dollars or something on and reset it in. Yeah, that's not even people's thoughts no more.

That's that's over.

That's over.

So I think we get it back to how you think get it back to that? I think the coming back parenting. I don't have to, right though, we're gonna start the new generation up.

But what about what about what you said when you say parenting. I get it, but what if those parents see it trickle down, like what if them parents don't have the right parents, And now we don't get to this point where it's like ship we're telling them, telling them to parent them, but they weren't even parented.

Because I feel like I feel like this, I feel like it used to be before, Like when a nigga used to hit rock bottom and go flat, The first thing a nigga was thinking about is like what can I what can I flip or what can I say?

All the like get my money back up and run my ship back up.

Now niggas are thinking like when they hit rock bottom and they go flat, Okay, who got the most or who got what? I can take it and be right back to a hundred from zero without having to hit fifty.

They don't want to grind no more looking for a link. What did they read?

But I feel like we're all looking for a lit But we know in the meantime we got a hustling girl.

Looking for a lin in a positive way.

Yeah right, I got you.

I always provide longevity.

Yeah I ain't talking about it positively, talking about like me sitting up here with their jeer and they were like, oh well, I know, I ain't getting me something that's a link.

You know.

I got you that type of.

Up at the gas station. I ain't looking and this the ain't no gun in the back of my head, nigga.

Drop come out. I want it all.

Yeah, that ain't trying to hustle and grind no more.

Yeah Nah, you're right.

Yeah that's crazy.

Damn man, I think, Man, it's still somebody.

I think.

I think the rappers can can can convince the young.

But it takes the right leader to pull them rappers. I'm just saying about the youth coaches, the you coaches. Man, let me tell you something, man, you coach got more power than really man. If you think, man, it's it's so many football teams and basketball teams and track and basket baseball. Man, so many youth coaches bank it's probably I don't know, nigging in them jokers. Man, You youth coaches in all sports. If somebody can pull them together, that'll set the tone. It's set the tone. It's set

Man.

Rap music is and it got something to do with everything of culture right now. But how much of that rap music is positive?

Right now?

This much.

Rap music is into all the commercials, whatever people doing to make money, whatever they got going on, music is involved right It's it's got a big niche to whatever. Somebody trying to create a dollar and rap music is big. But somebody got to be the leader. I don't know who it's gonna be. Y'all got an outlet podcast, This is a great outlet to start if y'all got youth. I don't know who y'all viewers, but you know, shoot, I can start a whole something. I got to direct something.

I think we did our part. We have a lot of people that walk up to us and tell us, you know, we positively impact people. That's what I'm saying, do our part, But everybody got to do their part.

Me I do my part of my community. I have so many people praise me on what I do. I give back, I feed the key, I do book back, I do all kinds of stuff for the community. Man, I always get those praises back in those thank yous and all that stuff, But we need more.

And more and more and more. What's the biggest gym on the biggest game you would give somebody watching big facts right now, like through your life experience and your journey, everything that don't been through. What's your biggest game and biggest gym you'll get somebody?

I would say, you know, set some goals, find a way to commit to your goals, find a way to work, you know, daily towards your goals. You know, give it you all, you know, make the best effort you can. And with no goals, Like what are you doing? You know, what's your plan? You know you ain't gotten nothing sick to do tomorrow? Then what you're waking up doing?

You know what I mean?

Like's create a lane of things to do that's gonna make you successful, that's gonna get your another step ahead of life.

You know what I mean?

If you're waking up every day and you ain't getting that done, and you ain't already rich, and what are you doing? Make some goals. Get your things to do list, stay committed to it. Scratch this shit off as you knock it out, and keep creating things to do list. Keep getting ahead in life. You ain't growing in life or getting ahead in life, and you ain't already got it?

What are you doing? Ye?

Know what I mean?

Like, just make some goals and stay committed to it. Give one hundred and twenty percent and you'll get there. Bring stuff to the finish line.

Know what I mean? Finished when you started?

Get stuff to the finish line.

Oh man, it's a little to you on thirty three years, you know, saying much respect to you, thirty three more. We wish that to you. You know what I'm saying, thank you for every day.

I finally got my way up. Get on the number one.

Number one. I had a call. I had a calling nigga to call another nigga, the call a nigga to find you can't.

Just fine, I'll hit you in the D, I said, D who.

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