Beating The Book: The Week 13 NFL Guessing Lines Show with Vinny Magliulo

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dot com. Check it out t h E S C O r e X dot com now live from the Visa in studios in the South Point Hotel and Casino. It's Gil Alexander. It is the numbers game right here at Visa Vegas Stats and Information Network serious XM Channel two O four, Visa dot com, the Visa an app Fobo TV skill Alexander was hatten in. Jorges here as well. Jorge he Mondaca final two days on a numbers game? Or how does it feel we're really gonna make a

big deal on this? I'd like to um, we'll get into guessing lines in week thirteen in the nationalble like Week thirteen, Jorge, that means there's only like three guessing lines after this because we don't really do one for week seventeen because it's squirrelly, but week thirteen will do

it with Vinny. Vinny is on the phone right now with Chrissy, Vinny Mali Ulu and Chrisy Andrew's right now caucusing, negotiating, batting it back and forth with these lines that are they're going to post here at the South Point Hotel Casino, which they will do here within seconds, and then Vinny will walk in here and uh, we will do the Guessing Lines show. I've been in a cocoon tribute to the old Stardust Show with Roxy Roxborow back in the day,

trying to isolate value next week's upcoming NFL lines. And if you listened last week, what were the two lines that I was most outraged by? Do you remember the red skins of the Cowboys, which Vinny told me was eight and a half. I guess six. I said, grab the skinnies right there, and if you did, you're a winner. A lesson in when you bet these if you got it right after guessing lines are during guessing lines, you would be a winner on the skins. And the other

one was the Dolphins. If you recall where I was like, the Cults are favored by nine, What give me the Dolphins just on principle? In fact, the Dolphins made a run it actually winning that out right. So that's That's kind of the story with guessing lines from week to week. The first reactions, the ones that I'm outraged by the most, oftentimes are the best because I don't have five more days to like debate it in my head back and forth and screw with it and ruin the initial clean thought.

And there's some weeks where I'm not outraged by any of them, which is sort of deflating. We're trying to isolate value. We hope that there's some outrage. We'll see what happens. Week thirteen. National Footballing. Nobody's on buy anymore full schedules. Everybody after tonight will have played eleven games. A little bit of breaking news, uh, it was being reported VS sources that Nathaniel Hackett was being relieved of

his duties as offensive coordinator for the Jaguars. Now it is official that Jaguars have made it official they have relieved their offensive coordinator of his duties. Doug Marone will be talking later on this afternoon but it looks like he'll be in charge of the offense for the rest of the season. Oh, they got more problems than Nathaniel Hackett. We'll get to the Jaguars. We'll get to everybody in the NFL. Um just a teaser update? May I say

this many? Yeah? Let me just just one comment on the follow up, Christie and I, Chris Andrews brought up a great point. The Bills have more wins than the Jaguars. The Bills have more wins the result of yesterday's game. Listen, the Bills are a team that that that a lot of folks made fun of, right, including perhaps ourselves at some point. Remember the Buffalo Alabama line from just a few weeks ago. We wouldn't use Buffalo anymore, would we

in that conversation. Not at all, Not at all. Of course, they were the huge Jonador sevent point dogs to the Vikings, feed them. Crushed the US teasers on sides in the NFL this week, totals didn't work out so well on teasers. By the way, let me just point that out for folks who and this is the thing with the teasers dissertations, right, people have gone, people have run a muck with it.

They've gone crazy. They're teasing everything in the world. I will say this teaser sides though this week in the NFL once again, chud ching twenty four of twenty eight. Just walk up to the counter and say teaser on sides and you're good to go. Eighty five point seven. The only teaser sides that did not come through from this weekend in the NFL, uh the Niners the Cardinals, both of whom got crushed. His dogs since Senata, which ended up being I think they ended up being a

one point dog in the end. There were some they were a dog in some spots. I did see Cleveland one yesterday. God who's more moribund right now? The Jaguars of the Bengals. Bengals who were actually in playoff contention at five and five, they got crushed by the Browns. And the fourth team that did not get in with the teaser, the Pittsburgh Steelers ultimately did not get in twenty four. Others all got in. Let's do this. Let's start with the well, let's start with tonight's game once again,

just to an update. Tonight's game, Titans at the Texans. Marcus Mariotta is a go for the Titans. He and his elbow are ago. The Texans have won seventh straight after losing their first three, and we have documented on a numbers game time and time again just how unbelievable these seven wins are for the Texans, including Jedi mind tricking opposing coaches, snatching victories from the jaws of defeat with pick six is all kinds of ways playing with

Thursday nights squarely squirrely Thursday night games. Texans are four point favorites here at the South Point Hotel Casine over the Titans three and a half. Kind of consensus e I believe across the board here they were the Texans. Um for those of us holding a f C South Colts to win an FC South tickets at eight to one or greater Titans, could you show up tonight place I would appreciate that, we would really appreciate that you

were worried in that cult scheme yester at all. By the way, this game did open higher when uh uh Marcus Mariota was was a questionable did open six and a half very quickly got adjusted down. So now four Texans four tonight and two four and forty two. Mike Terico would like us to use the appropriate Hawaiian pronunciation of mariota. Mariota. That's correct, okay um okay. So I was just mentioning before you got here, Vinny. Last last week on the show, what were the two lines? I

was most outraged by the Redskins. You said, we're getting eight and a half at the time of guessing lines against the Cowboys, I said, give me the skinnies right there and then, and they would have won with that line. And then the other one was the Dolphins of the cults. Remember I was like, Colts by night, are you kidding me? Give me the Dolphins. So hopefully we have similarly good

first outraged. Really interesting part about that, the Colt scheme and open, wind up, wind up, opening ten, nine and a half and ten, it got bit down then up at up again, Yester, you know yesterday so uh, once Tannehill was announced or was questionable or then probable, so early Dolphins money, but then Colts money did show. So and it's always the the ongoing theme of what a quarterback means versus his backup what really matters in the

betting market. You're handicapping, Uh, the the the depth of the position as much as the starter, and handicapping the market, if you will, market reaction to such things. Here's the a f C playoff picture after week twelve, by the way, on the screen at Visa dot Com and Fubo TV. Chiefs and Pats. Uh, this is to win the conference odds via our friends across the the city here of the West Gate Chiefs plus Patriots plus two seventy five. And then you see the other contenders three through six.

Right now the playoffs where to start. The Ravens would actually be the team in the number six whole, but the Colts the type uh, still very much in the mix. Titans really need to win tonight to stay in that mix. Dolphins and Bengals right down the outside looking in. Um, that's the a f C. And then if you flash over to the NFC, same graphic, Uh, this is to win their conference. Uh SATs minus one rams plus one seventy five. And then really it's a free for all

after the Mayor's Cowboys, Vikings Skins. Skins would actually get it as a wild card right now? Are you getting Is that right? That is that right? Wow? Uh? Seahawks Panthers, Eagles, Packers also in the mix a little Packers not so much. Let's when you look at that list, they are lurking because their schedule makes them better than lurking. Anyway, let's get it going. This is guessing lines at tribute to

the old start up show. Again. Within this process, we hope to isolate value for next week and to uh talk about everything in the process from yesterday and Thursday first game. And by the way, these numbers are in. These are up uh and uh available for wagering here at the south Point. So Chris Andrews, just give the green light too, Lou Virgin supervisor behind the counter. Lou getting sick juice. That's right there you go. We're doing a fine job. And also the college games for next

week are posted as well. Yes, so we got we'll look at some of those before we go off air. But the first game gil Thursday night, the Saints and the Cowboys. There's some nice so this is a nice Thursday night game. All of a sudden, these the Cowboys are resurrected, are they? Uh? This This is from this is from this from It is amazing how how the NFL, specifically, I'm sure it's true of other stories, but the NFL really magnified how people like to see things through their

own lens. My Cowboys buddy friend um who texted me actually goes boy AMRII Cooper really showed up on Thursday. I'm like, seriously, Quentin Dunbar slipped and fell down and then ha ha Clinton Dicks took a bad angle on the other one easy and by the way, and I'll shout this out. Giants and Redskins fans, I think are the two fan bases and the two betting sides that have the most to complain about when it comes to officiating. The Cowboys hosting the Saints here, the Cowboys beat the

Redskins on Thanksgiving. They cover in the process, although it depends when you got the number, If you got it when I set it on guessing lines, the Redskins cashed. Later the Cowboys cash. But there was a p I on one of Colt McCoy's duck interceptions. There was a clear p I on that play that went uncalled, and then Jordan's reed got targeted where the announcers even said you could hear it up here uncalled. Like what happened

to this league. You're not calling the helmet to helmet now, so anyway that I'm not saying the Skins would have one, but they certainly would have covered for everyone. So the Cowboys win. So the Cowboys and Skins now currently tied at six and five at top the NFC East. Zeke a touchdown, Amari Cooper ends up with eight catches for one, a D and two touchdowns. And then there's the Saints who are now ten and one after the Redskins Cowboys game.

They beat the Falcons. They win by fourteen. I think that's the game that most people missed for Thanksgiving festivities. But basically the Saints didn't do all that much in terms of stats. Fifty two for breeze for one, four touchdowns, a pick, just a hundred and sixty two yards passing when you factor in a sack. Basically, every time the Falcons looked like they were going to get in cover position, they would turn the ball over. Essentially, was that game.

And both of these teams in this matchup gil with extra time, right, so the short week to play on Thanksgiving and now three extra days um uh to prepare. So Saints are on the road. Here, Saints are on the road Saints by a touchdown seven and a half oven with the hook the hook. Keep in mind, now, if the Cowboys lose here, which their favored I mean the big underdog here, so they're favored to lose. If you will the Cowboys lose here, I know because I'm

a Redskins guy, that they play the Eagles. If the Eagles be the Redskins three way tie a six and six, I just want to play that, all right, that's the third at that game. So I said seven at seven and a half, we'll go with a full Sunday slate. No boys anymore, got a lot of games to get to. It's guessing lines with Vinnie Malulo in for Christie Andrews right here in a numbers game in Visa. Back to a numbers game with your host Gil Alexander, broadcasting live

from our visa in studios in Las Vegas. Back on a numbers game where sports betting analytics live, actionable sports betting information. Of course, tomorrow a lot of college football on the show. We'll do Cracking Sharp on Thursday for week thirteen. You know the drill. Uh today though, um, let me just repeat guessing lines here, Vinnie Malulo in for Christie Andrews today with Christie listening, hanging on every word. I'm sure waiting, waiting for a mess up. He'll he'll

get his wish. I'm sure it's at some point here, just some smart you know, just gotta say something. So let me ask you this though, Vinny, So I was telling mission PAULI. So my my betting this weekend Thursday was massive for me, Sunday was extremely good. Friday was a modest win. Saturday I gave some back that was mitrogen.

Today was the tough day for me of the four Um, thank goodness for Alabama running it up, and then Utah has come back to make it come back to make it okay in the end ultimately, But was that if your betting standpoint here at the south point, was that how the money was for you? Or did you do it well every day? A couple of things. So you know, we we talked at length about how busy this weekend went, one of the busier betting weekends of the year, and

it didn't disappoint I think from from our perspective. What's important about that, Gill is that with now five other states having sports wagering, the trend that we've noticed has continued, and that trend is that handles up if you look at a year ago compared to now. Um, it's it's nice to know that businesses is not only holding steady but also increasing. So that's great and that's uh again

happy for the folks and other jurisdictions. But certainly it's a great point though, right because that was that was a word people like, oh, well, it hurts about it. Well, here's the thing, it's becomes mainstream. I'm not gonna say it's becoming more man. Sports wagering is now uh mainstream. It's part of the sports fabric and and and experience

out there, let's face it. Um, particularly with with mobile apps that are available not only here in Nevada, but even in some of the other jurisdictions, not every one of them, but I believe in New Jersey there is an opportunity for there is a mobile app available. So when you have that, it's nice to know. Now from our perspective, it was kind of up and down all weekend. Thursday got the betters got off to a good start in the fact that all three favorites one and covered

NFL favorites one and covered. Uh. I think what saved our side of account or a bit was the fact two of the games went under because typically it's favorites and over that the betting public enjoys and and and and wagers. But it was just kind of a back and forth all weekend. But you know, we came out a little ahead on on every day yesterday. Uh yeah, and it came to yesterday, it came down to the Vikings game less and we needed the Vikings last night and they got there. So but you know, a good

uh a good, a good weekend. Again, it did not disappoint. It lived up to its billing as one of the busiest betting weekends of the year. And it's funny, and this will make no sense because ultimately I'm only beholding to my own wallet, But winning Thursday, Friday and Sunday, even losing college FO on Saturday, college football is so enjoyable, right, Like, it's such an enjoyable product that even even while losing, even that that was the one of the four lows,

I was like, this is still awesome. You know, what saved the book came down to one game on Saturday too. At the end of the day with with the back and forth aspect was SC's back door cover against Notre Dame. UM David Perdham reporting that was the biggest decision of the year for some books. Um, I could see it.

It was. It was a late game on a holiday weekend. Obviously, the game opened, Uh you know what, nine and a half, ten went, the game went to fourteen, so and and Notre Dame was up fourteen, they were downten nothing and then they were all was sitting on four team with less than a minute ago and sc uh se cover. They've scored and covered. So yeah, that was that was a pretty big decision. I could see where some folks

had quite a bit of writing on that. We'll talk called a lot of college football tomorrow because man, this debate over what happens if Georgia loses to Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State went out. Now, this will be fascinating, you know, Gil, I've been listening to a lot and we get a lot of inquiries. Yesterday Chris and I were at the counter when we were talking and then we were in the back with Jimmy. Everybody, well what if, what if?

What if? What if? There's always the what ifs and what ifs have been going on since the committee started to announce their four teams. Um. It will continue to when the when the when the playoff does finally expand, and I say does, because it will happen, it'll expand when it gets to six or eight teams. We're gonna still have the debate what if and what who's going to be number seven? Eight? Debate debate six and sixty five.

So it's not going to change. And again at the end of the day, we can you know what if and hypothesize all we want. We don't again, just give us, give us the matchups. We'll give you the numbers. That's your job, that's us. Um. By the way, I said, biggest decision Notre dame usc best decision, I should say, according to Perdum for some book. Yeah it was. It was an important result, all right. We got a lot of games togein Vinny, Vinnie and for Chrissie. Let's get

some more. First game on Sunday morning, Gal the Colts at the Jaguars. Wow, how how the weeks have changed this line? Oh my goodness, have the uh Jaguars are three and eight? I don't know if you know this, the Colts are now six and five. Andrew Luck yesterday and victory against the Dolphins thirty for thirty seven for three forty three, three touchdowns again, Uh, two picks fumbled once,

but Indian apples recovered. That's always the thing with Andrew Luck, right, It's like I threw two picks at the almost fumbled the ball once. But we're just gonna We're gonna look away because come from behind. Sacked one time, he was finally sacked first time in a mess of set in a mess of two hundred and thirty nine dropbacks to be exact, where he's gotten sacked to thirty nine in a row before actually getting sacked. He led the Colts on three scoring drives in the final eight and a

half minutes. Uh. They overcame two offensive penalty to set up Adam Vinitarry's forty six yard field goal with eight twenty six left, then a twelve yard strike to Eric Ebron tying it at twenty four four twenty five remaining, and after the Colts defense forced the second straight three and out, Luck two took over on his own forty two and kept his balance long enough on a third nine ductor tackle to connect with his receiver Rogers and uh that's all she wrote. And the Colts win it

after the three touchdown passes Chester Rodgers. By the way of the thirty four yard game, that's set up Minitary's thirty two yard field goals time expired. Colts twenty four of the Dolphins three touchdown passes in eight straight games. Now for luck, tying Peyton Manning for the second long a streak in NFL history. Let me just say this footnote to that game that again the announcers weren't really

focused on at all, didn't mention it. But as much as I gave crap to Frank Reich in that game against the Texans for going for it in his own territory against the Texans and overtime, all the Texans that needed to do is get one first down and they

end up winning the game in overtime. Frank Wich at the end of that game played it brilliantly, which is to say that when the Colts got their game tying touchdown, there was a flag on the Dolphins fifteen yard penalty enforced on the ensuing kickoff, and Ke Mortar kicked it brilliant beautiful and they have got an additional flag. So the Dolphins were stuck deep in their own territory. The Colts three and out of them there, but brilliant played. Finally,

someone played that correctly. Don't kick it through the end zone when you get the free fifteen yards, good point, Gil, And a lot of times things get lost. I mean, Veny Terry also missed. Uh at least one field I think we did right before that duck. I don't know if it was tipped, but it looked it was one of the worst. But there's a lot of things that happened, and whether it's we we send to focus a lot on uh, you know, just calls right, Uh, you know,

calls by by officials and things like that. But kudos to you for giving credit where it's due in in terms of right, Yeah, he may probably misplayed. If he had it to do over again, would he do the same thing against the Texans, I don't know. Maybe what he said he would, all right, but hard to it's hard to argue where he's got this team position right now.

It is six and five, right on the cusp of playoff position, and again pending the Texans outcome tonight, could be either one or two games back in the a f C South. Again, for those of us who have Colts to win the af C South tickets, please Titans show up if you would. Eric Hebrawn By the way, five catches, forty two touchdowns, four fifty five total yards of offense for the Colts yesterday, minus two in turnover margin. They overcame that. And then there's Jacksonville. The Colts are

traveling to Jacksonville's three and eight team disaster. They lose to the Bills twenty four to twenty one. They lose his three point favorites and o s and Nathaniel Hackett once again fired this morning from the Jaguars as if he's the only problem. Blake Bordles yesterday one twenty seven,

one touchdown, two picks. As Michael Lombardi famously liked, likes to stay on our air, he tweeted this if the if the Jaguars could just go single wing at this point and take Bortles out of the equation entirely, they would Two things about this game. I think the Bills are up fourteen nothing if I'm not mistake, they were. By the way, Leonard four got ejected well, this is what I was getting to. The big the big sequence

of that game is it's fourteen fourteen. The Jaguars fight all the way, uh, and then there's a pass with two fifty seven left in the third quarter, Dante Moncrief hauls in a thirty yard pass initially called a touchdown UM. But and he's on the ground battling for control of the ball by the way with Levi Wallace UM their

debate and so they're wrestling for the ball. It ends up being called down at the one by the way, but Moncrief and Wallace are down there, are down there struggling for the ball, and Bill safety Micah Hide comes up and is talking to the official and he gets he gets, you know, just sort of a a um, what's the word I'm looking for? Just a cheap shot? Yeah, cheap shotted sort of like what does happened to Todd Bridges this morning? By the way, But cheap shotted um

by one of the Jaguars players. And then players begin shoving each other. Shack Lawson goes after Carlos Hide of the Jaguars, and then for Net takes subception to that. For Net running from across the field out of the game, targets Lawson for targeting Hide and they get into a full fledged boxing match. Even Bill's coach Sean McDermott ends

up having blood smeared on his hooded sweatshirt. So and then here's so for net who had scored two touchdowns already by this point and loss and get ejected by the way, they sent him out the same tunnel, so they can actually have another confrontation, which was uh. But then here's what happens, and this is the This scenario is all you need to know about the Jaguar season. So after all that happens again. By the way, while all this is happening, it's the greatest video ever. Mon Creef,

mon creef and uh and uh. The the Jaguars player on the ground are still Levi Wallace. They're wrestling like two little brothers to two brothers over the ball. The whole time this whole mela is going on. So a review negates the touchdown, right, mon Creef down at the one possession, but at the one Carlos Hide then loses a yard on first and goal and tight end James O'Shaughnessy flagged for a false start. Then D D. Westbrook appears to score a touchdown that's nullified but an offensive

holding penalty on Keelan Cole. Then, after Kyle Williams sacks Blake Bortles for an eight yard loss, Josh Lambo proceeds to shank of forty two yard or wide. Left there it is your twenty eighteen Jacksonville Jaguars, as good as everything was for them a year ago. Here you have a situation. And remember this this was a this was

a playoff game. This was the wild card game. This was the ten to three wild card game right in Jacksonville, divisional round a divisional rod Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, no no, because Patriots wanted so it was the first round and the Bills went down to Jacksonville, and then of course Jacksonville went up to Pittsburgh and one and then they went and that's right, gave the Patriots everything that could handle.

By the way, after that sequence, Buffalo then needed three plays and two personal fouls against Jacksonville to put together a sixty eight yard drive that ended with a Josh Allen touchdown. Jalen Ramsey, maybe you shouldn't talk so much. Remember he said, uh that Josh Allen was trash. Well, trash won this one. So what was this game again? After all that? Indiana, indiapples at Jacksonville. That's right, the Colts at the jack Colts by four, three and a half.

There you go, and he's again are in the siste are up here at the south point. Have added, folks, here's a good one. Chargers, Steelers, Chargers. That's not a flex game, spinning. Don't make that mistake. Is that a flex game? Yes? Okay, so well we'll do it later. I'm just why I went in rotational. We'll get to that later, a little tease. I flexed it. Okay, let's do one more here. What you're the host, you get the flex. Panthers bucking, the league did it for him.

Panthers Buccaneers Panthers bucking. Oh my god, if you're in Tampa, if you're a Panthers fan or a Panther's backer, was there anything more frustrating than that game yesterday? Christian McCaffrey seventeen carries, a hundred twenty five yards and a touchdown, eleven catches a hundred and twelve yards and a touchdown, franchise record two hundred thirty seven yards and scrimmage four hundred and seventy six yards of total offense for the Panthers and they lose. Panthers were three losses in a

row for them. Yes, they were six and two at one point six and two, now six and six and five, and um, you know, Graham Gono lets him down for the second straight second straight week. Mr Field go on extra point in loss the Detroit last week. Mr is a key field goal in this one. We'll get to Russell Wilson. We'll get to the Seattle side of that game in a minute. But Russell Wilson is just spectacular. You're always alive with him, he really are. And Tampa

Bay beats um the Niners yesterday. Jameis Winston really good game for three twelve two touchdowns, snow picks, Mike Evans six catches, a hundred sixteen yards, Bucks were seven for thirteen on third downs and what do you know? The Bucks were actually plus two and turnover differential. How about that bus See what happens when that happens. Winston was bench last month after turning the ball over eleven times and fourteen quarters. But I didn't turn it over yesterday.

Led touchdown drives of seventy and eighty five yards Carolina at Tampa Bay Carolina minus three, three and a half. I can't give him a hook. I just can't give that team a hook. There they are. It's with betting you take for you you would would would you take Tampa Bay? Like I said, I'm not kiss standing women and children are not running over people to bet the bucks here. But I would not lay the three and

a half because I just don't trust Cam Newton. Let's go to break Vinnyell okay, Buddies guessing lines for week thirteen in the National Football League Viny Maluo and for Chrissie Andrews whole bunch more games to get to. We'll get to him next. Right here on the Numbers gameing visa down Back to a numbers game with your host Gil Alexander, broadcasting live from our visa in studios in Las Vegas, serious X Channel two or four. It is a numbers game, Gil Alexander, and Jorge is here as

his Vinnie in for Chrissy. H. J Rude, Vice President Racing Sports MGM Resorts International, texted me he said, Tiger Phil event handle was good. Unfortunately, it was five for Phil. He said, we did, however, avoid the main thing, the hole in one, which was a seven figure liability. So he was worried about whole number five, which they said, it's over seven thousand, maybe seventy five hundred yard golf course, but whole number five was a hundred forty yards, so

they were worried about that one. About whole number eighteen in the playoff, I don't know that. Yeah, whoops, what are you guys doing? Yeah? Exactly. Don't you know? We have a liability on the one one, So that would have been something bitter? Would he have been at that? And thank you to j Rude for that. Appreciate all right, let's continue guessing lines for Week thirteen in the NFL the Baltimore Ravens at the Atlanta Falcons Um. I guess the decision has got to be made by the Ravens.

I think does the decision go like this? Joe, your hips still hurts you? No? No, really doesn't, Yes, it does it? Your hip still hurts Joe. It's bothering you. Trust Joe, trust me. Hips are hips are really tough?

You should really stay out Lamar Jackson two and oh you know fourteen for twenty five for one, seventy eight through the air, one touchdown, two picks it's the feet right, eleven carries for seventy one yards and a touchdown the extra dimension, and Gus Edwards, I know you starting him on your fantasy team week after week now twenty three carries for a hundred eighteen yards. Baltimore was eight for

thirteen on third downs. They held Oakland to sixty seven rushing yards and again uh uh touchdowns the other ways if you will. Terrell Suggs returning a fumble four to three yards for a score, Cyrus Jones taking up punt seventy yards for a touchdown for Baltimore's win over Oakland yesterday, and they cover Baltimore expanded at three point half time lad twenty seven seventeen two run heavy touchdown drives that

consumed a total of nearly sixteen minutes. One was a thirteen play seven minute drive nearly and the other seventeen play seventy one yard drive that lasted nearly nine minutes, eight minutes and fifty three seconds. So um and Jackson, by the way he cut down. He carried twenty seven times for hundred seventeen, two weeks ago. He only ran eleven times against Open, but nine times in the second half through only seven passes after halftime. Everybody was running

yesterday in the second half for the Ravens through and around. Yeah, other Raiders unfortunately, but two forty two yards rushing on forty three attempts for the Ravens. They're in Atlanta. Atlanta has got the extra rest. Were you talked about Atlanta having lost in New Orleans Matt Ryan and defeat? Is

everybody off the Matt Ryan bandwagon? Yet? Thirty five or forty seven for three seventy seven, two touchdowns, one pick, sacked six times, Julio eleven catches for seven, Calvin Ridley eight for touch twenty six yards rushing for the Falcons in that game against the Saints, four turnovers though minus three turnover margin. Atlanta is at home against Baltimore. I am going to guess this could be way off here. I want to say the Falcons are three point favorites

at Falcons. I think the Falcons are my way off. The Ravens are road favorites here two and a half open, two and a half. Give me the Falcons because I think we're at this point. And I said this a couple of times earlier this year, there's one where I'm way off right, case case you have they ever thought I was peaking, there's your there's your exhibit one for why, exhibit A for why I'm not. But that's your's. Are us right? I mean we want some of them. You

want to make numbers and compare them too. You've got to look, you've got to look at home road splits with these teams. I talked about it like we talked about with baseball all the time. But like the Dallas Cowboys, good at home, not so good on the road. The Green Bay Packers have not won a road game all year. Atlanta is a home road team to me. And I don't know if like Atlanta's weakness is their secondary because of the injuries. They're getting guys back, but that's their

that's their their weakness this year. Lamar Jackson is not the guy to exploit that. I'd say Atlanta my series. I love the Falcons there given the Falcons. Good alright, buddy, And again, these are these are up? These are not these are these are and ready for available for wagering. Here point we're assuming it's Lamar Jackson again, Joe, you'r he again? Yeah, you might see Flacco. I don't know, but I think it's probably Jackson. Uh. The Browns and the Texans in Houston, we have a line here and

we do have a line. Even though the UH Houston does play tonight, this will this will obviously very based on Houston's performance tonight, injuries obviously, but if Houston wins this handily tonight, this is a different number than if they're in a dog fight. I think because Cleveland at four six and one is a live football team. Baker Mayfield ninety eight four touchdowns note pics and most notably

throwing shade at former coaches yesterday after the game. By the way, it's a Brown's rookie record four touchdown passes for for Baker Mayfield, who I think we can say beyond a shadow of doubt, all these rookie quarterbacks, the five that were drafted in the first round, was it five or six in the end? Wasn't it wasn't? It wasn't Jackson the take it over? Didn't he take that over? So let's see. Anyway, the point is, Mayfield has established himself as the best of the bunch. Yeah, Josh Allen's

you know, is raising his hand in Buffalo. But but Baker Mayfield for sure? Um five quarterbacks right after the game. Um, he was asked, Baker Mayfield was he was asked after the thirty five to twenty win over the Bengals, which wasn't that close. He was twenty to nothing. At one point, I was asked about, you know, sort of former coaches or was he bothered by the sight of his former

coach on the other sideline plotting against him? Uh? Quote, somebody who was in our locker room is asking us to play for him, and then he goes to a different teams, said Mayfield. Um, who didn't say much to Jackson. He was pressed on why what was that conversation? Why was it a short conversation after the game. He's like, and that was his response again, somebody who was in our locker rooms asking us to play for him, and then he goes to a different team. Mayfield went on

to say he was not He's not happy about he goes. Look, that's that's how I view it. So I don't have much to say. And he did go on to say we got the right people here calling plays now, shot across the bow. Hugh Jackson, who is kryptonite to winning, on the Cincinnati Bengal sideline game for the public yesterday. By the way, Cleveland, Yeah, I mean you look at the move where they went to one point favorite in some places close pick here, what's what's again? And we'll

get to the the Bengals momentarily. But Jacksonville and the Bengals man good lord and the Bengals were five and five. It's not like they were out of it. They lost Andy Dalton, Jeff Drist glad to come in. But Cleveland's at Houston. I'm gonna say it's it's it's Houston minus again in sight unseen tonight. It could vary by a points like Houston minus four, four and a half. Okay, Yeah, it sounds like we got it all right. The Bills break up the Bills at the Dolphins. Bill returned yesterday.

We talked about the Bills. Josh Allen eight of nineteen for one sixty one touchdown in a pick, but thirteen carries for ninety nine yards and a touchdown. Buffalo is still miserable on third downs two for ten, but Alan scored to go ahead touchdown on a fourteen yard run in the fourth quarter. Buffalo be Jackson and a game that was marred by that fight we talked about, Um, they win it outright as three point dogs do the Bills.

Bills are four and seven. How about that? Um? And then there's Miami, which we talked about, lost to the to the Colts. Tannehill Ryan Tannehill seventeen two oh four, but Miami penalties ten for seventy five. Dolphins have lost ten of their last eleven road games. They're back at home here though. Tannehill, returning in this one after missing five games with a shoulder injury, played well for the Dolphins in this ball game. I'll say it's Miami at

home against Buffalo by four and a half. Miami six, that's high, Dolphins six here at the South Point. Why can't you know how I used to say, Miami is all the team that that flusters me from week to week. I can never forgive them out. I think the market doesn't get Miami either. You're right, and again this was a mixed bag yesterday. The way the game was bet. It was Dolphins early and then Colts late. So Buffalo has got a good day six is a out of point.

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Well bears a giants and uh full disclosure here. We've got to wait to see what the status of Mitchell Robisk is Mitchell Drobisky status uncertain. Did not play on Thanksgiving Day. Chase Daniel thirty seven, two touchdowns, no picks, sacked four times. How'd you like his performance? I did not like it. I know a lot of people are like, oh, Chase Daniel very es he holds onto the ball forever throw the ball. Why is the career back up seventy

eight career passes before that game on Thursday? And if he plays out his Bears contract to the end of next year, he will have earned thirty four million dollars over the course of his career. Let's mama, when your baby's grew up to be a backup quarterbacks. So Chicago wins that game, and they win it on a pick six where just Matthew Stafford got bated. They win it and cover on a pick six with six minutes left.

It's not like the Bears betters were like coasting in Giants lose to the Eagles yesterday and along with the Redskins, have the most beef against refs Odell Beckham Jr. Was right, he got absolutely held on a play. But then there's Eli Eli, there was a horrible pick at the end of the first half. Um, I think this matter. I think as much as we like to kill Trabisky, like I think this matters. I'll say it's the Bears minus three. But we did. We did not post this game because

because there was it matters. We did have a we did have a a chase Daniel, excuse me sample so uh and and and of course in the eyes of the betters, they want to know as well. So, yeah, we're here, we're fifty six or fifty seven? Here were fifty six. Okay, we'll talk more about this game. We'll get some more guesting lines on a numbers game in Visa coming up in moments with Vinnie mali Ulo in for Christie Anders now live from the Visa in studios

in the South Point Hotel and Casino. It's Gil Alexander. It is a numbers game right here at Visa in the Vegas Stats and Information Network. Up music dropped out quick there serious XM channel two oh four, Visa dot Com, the Visa app, and of course Fubo TV. We live in music slide deminuendo opposite of crescendo. Took the piano once in pont A time Skill, Alexander. Jorge Mondacca is here.

Jorge and dress Mondaca. I told Jorge said, Jorge going away from the show lunch and tomorrow, Uh for your departure, and Jorge's like, I got a doctor's point. I got it. Can't go girl, Sorry, which sorry, worry Hi guys, it's radio or you gotta speak at some more. Um. All right, so Vinny, he's in for Christy. By the way, let's go back Chicago at New York. Was wing left out of Chicago with the Giants because I think this is interesting because I didn't think Chase Daniel, even though Chase

Daniel's box score looks okay, they're watching that game. I actually for as much, uh can I use the word crap for as much crap as I've given Mitch Drabinsky over time, and I do think some of that's warranted. Trabisky beat you with his feet, not with his with his arm. The drop off to Daniel, to me, was was actually big because with that good of a defense that the Bears have, Trabisky is actually great quarterback to have.

Where he beat you with his feet like that, it to me that's a dimension that they need on that offense. I thought Daniel held onto the ball way too much,

sacked four times, and the pick six saved them. I think I think with Trabinsky at the Giants, it's three or four, and I think without your biscuit drops below a field goal, and I wouldn't be surprised if once the betting gets through with as over the course of the week, if it's anywhere close to a pick him against Daniel UM, I make the game between three and four with Traubisky, and I think we've got something to base it on now. And it will be back to

back road games too. Right now, let's let's kind of put that part into perspective because it was the shortest turnaround. The Bears had the shortest turnaround something Thanksgiving Day because their game got flexed the previous week. UM, this time, they've got extra rest, So is there extra preparation time? But but the bottom line is us UM, Yeah, and again, and we've we've talked at length about Tribisky during the course of the year. UM, I personally think he needs

the rest of this year. I think we'll get a better idea of his of him as a top flight quarterback as we get into next year. But that's that's a separate discussion. But the reality here is, UM, there's a there's a there's gonna be a significant a difference here between between Trabisky and Daniels. I'm with you, I'm with you. We talked about what iss Flacco and Lamar Jackson. Is there a difference in the line. I don't think so, Bitch Trabisky to Chase Daniel. I actually do think it's

for three, three or four to below the three. I think here at the Giants should be noted again. The Giants Eli manning for thirty seven for two nine seven one touchdown at the pick, say Kwan Barkley, who's a Ferrari parked in a Fiat garage. Thirteen carries for yards in a touchdown, seven catches forty one yards and a touchdown. Giants killed themselves with penalties eleven but again Manning through a really bad pick to Malcolm Jenkins, and the Eagles

too before the second quarter ended. Take the field goal, man, take the field goal, stop forcing the ball. The Giants led this nineteen to three. They were in control of the significant chunks of this game. Really they were end up losing the Eagles twenty two. The Giants do get the cover, but the Eagles get the win. Giants fall the three and eight. Uh Kwan only had five touches in the second half after fifteen in the first and Odell Beckham Jr. Who is never shy, didn't put it

that way. Odell Beckham Junior after the game he had much to say, um, including um, you know, just going after the game plan of his own New York Giants basically saying, you know, they do have a really bad, uh bad secondary specifically said quote knowing they were struggling with injuries in the secondary. Personally, I would have loved to attack them, but that wasn't in our game plan. I guess he didn't say, I guess. I added that the Eagles. The Eagles entered Sunday with three cornerbacks out

for the game. New York's offense collapse in the second half fifty one yards and three points in the second half. Eagles entered the day ranked in the NFL in passing yard dig allowed. So Beckham Junior with his wife, Eagles have life. Yeah. If if the Redskins lose to the Equals and the Cowboys, as they should as their favorite to do, lose to the to the Saints, three way tie at six and six, a top top the NFC East with four games left in the season, Well Skins

are so seven, we'll get into there. So okay, we're in agreement. So three or four with Drabiski on the road, less than three with Chase Daniel was not good. I don't care what anybodys. We'll wait to get that announcement. Same thing here, Broncos uh in Cincinnati to play the Bengals. Andy Dalton had to leave yesterday his hand um um um dumb injury after a snap that went over his head. He tried to recover that. So so Denver's at Cincinnati. Here,

Denver at Cincinnati. Cincinnati loses to the Browns thirty five to twenty. Dalton was ten for seventeen before his injury for a hundred yards, one touchdown, one pick. Jeff Driskell in his uh Stead seventeen one touchdown note picks Cincinnati thirteen penalties for nineties six yards again and her thumb on his passing hand while trying to recover that fumble that basically a snap over his head in the third quarter didn't return Denver. And we'll get to this from

the Pittsburgh side of things coming up. But how about the Denver Broncos. Vance Joseph. It's like he's like Jason Garrett. Well, Jason Garrett more of a cockroach, right, you can't kill off Jason Garrett. But Vance Joseph's got a little survival in him, doesn't he to seventeen? Broncos beat the Steelers yesterday as three point dogs. The Broncos have beaten the Chargers and the Steelers in consecutive weeks to up their

record to five and six. They're in it, Steelers. You know what, Remember the Steelers came back and took a seventeen ten lead in this game. Remember ninety seven yard uh past completion Big Ben did jujuy? So Philip lindsay for the Broncos yesterday fourteen carries a hundred ten yards and a touchdown. You know, the Broncos were outgained any by the Steelers five seven to three oh eight. I thought that the Steelers had righted things right, but you look at these last two games. I mean they had

to come back. They were down sixteen nothing last week, came back Jackson game. Don't we say that about the Steelers. We'll get to the Stelers, but don't we say this about them? Every year? They always have one bad road loss. This might be it this year if two subpar games in a row, though, right, I mean it beat the Jacks last week and we see what the Jaguars are. So are you suggesting that somewhere, Levian is starting to kick his feet up a little. He's like, let's see

how I'm not No, no, we're doing that. I think that's beyond Broncos ended the Charger six game winning streak last week, snapped the Steeler six game winning stream this week. That game ended by the way Shelby Harris with one oh three left gets blocked back far back enough where he picks off Ben's intended past to Antonio Brown from the Denver to ceiling. Badlio, But you say that we don't know that, We don't know. Dalton to Drift calls

are pretty significant, even, Yeah. I mean, if it's Dalton, it's three, and if it's Drift, all it's to pick him that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Was um hey, Gil, you move on from there. What do you make of the reports coming at that if the Bengals make coaching change to this offseason, Hugh Jackson could be in line to take over. Oh god, I think I think I make of that? What everybody will make

of that? What the hell are you doing? No? Seriously, really, I mean, come on, first of all, Marvin Lewis, who has been the coach there for so many more years than anyone would have imagined. But the Bengals organization likes to keep continuity, so they've kept Morvin Louis through all of this. But the Bengals, like with the Jaguars, the Bengals look so bad now and are so bad, particularly on defense, that this could spell the end of Marvin Lewis. But why would if that report is true, and but

I'm not gonna buy it. I don't buy that it is. But if it is, what in the heck is you? Why would your first reaction be, Oh, I gotta get me some Hugh Jackson. Get Hugh Jackson on the horn now, Oh he's here. Oh, I forgot just call him up to the office. Yeah, I don't do that. No, what are you doing? Like Mike Brown, who runs the Bengals organization, does he look like around and see, Oh there's young whipper snapper Sean McVeigh over there in the rams. Oh

I see. Maybe maybe we should try to get something like that. What Hugh Jackson, who Baker Mayfield told you without telling you yesterday, is like is crypt the nite to winning? Oh that report can't be true, can't be all right? I'm sorry, Okay, yeah, okay, all right, Rams and Allions in Detroit. I will actually say nothing much about this game because the Rams had a bye last week. When last last by when that was everybody plays for the next five weeks, everybody plays Rams or ten one.

They're traveling to Detroit. Detroit's four and seven. Detroit got beat on Thanksgiving by the Bears. Rams are on the road. You said, Rams, it has to start at ten. I'll say it's ten nine and a half. You're right there, it will be ten. Yeah, it'll get all right? How was that? I had nothing to say about the game? Cardinals in Green day to play the Packers. Packers, as you pointed out earlier, windless on the road this year, windless on the road. We'll get to the Vikings in

a minute. Vikings beat The Packers said, this game was tied last night at halftime fourteen apiece, But if you look at the box score, the Vikings just dismantled the Packers, and really, were it not for the questionable decision making of Mike Zimmer, this would not have been close. Uh, don't get me started. We'll get to it in a minute.

With I don't want to spoil it. On the right, But as far as the Packers are concerned, Yeah, their final seven possessions last night produced one field goal, five punts, one turnover. On downs, they failed to move the chains on eight of ten third downs. And and I said this last week with Aaron Rodgers, and it deserves to be said again. He is missing some passes bad lee in key situations, really short little outs to the running backs heat or to the wide receivers. He's missing them

badly in key situations. So he has not absolved of all, you know, blame here, even though I think this is the end of Mike McCarthy. Arizona was traveling to Green Bay, Arizona Josh Rosen yesterday while Philip Rivers was setting records. Josh Rosen was twelve of nineteen from one oh five touchdown at the pick. Cardinals had a tend to nothing lead against the Charges yesterday. Yeah, we needed the Cardinals yesterday. Yeah, it was looking good. Did you. Viccarroll had a great line.

He said, it's send nothing, that's a that's a good score in the Cardinals game. And he said, yeah, there were a few games like that. The Giants were up big two, they were covering early two Chargers then proceeded to score touchdowns on six of seven possessions twenty eight points. Second quarter, the Cardinals gave up to the Charges Arizona at Green Bay. UM listen. Aaron Rodger said after the game last night, He's like, well, I'm gonna run the table. He's got it all figured out. Am I crazy to

say the Packers? For as much as I as we want to knock the four six and one Packers, that they've got to be a ten point favorite here as well. Because if it's seven, everybody's betting the Packers, um. And if it's seven and a half, I still think they're betting the Packers. It's it's significantly higher. I'll give you another shot at it. It's higher than ten. Yes, Packers at home against the Cardinals. I thought I was. I thought I was getting risky with the ten. It's not

two touchdowns? Is it? Any? Wow? Wow? There you go? Two touchdowns? Are you running to the window right now? What were the Chargers yesterday? There were thirteen against the uh So we're considering the cold weather here, bitter home field, but they're far worse of a football team than the Chargers are. That's curious. That's that's how the Chargers got us high. The Chargers closed fourteen yesterday here, that's high. Fourteen is ridiculous. But again it's it's the Cardinals, right.

So do you wanna again the image of George Gastanza pushing out women and children out of the way during the fight. Have sealed? You? Said? Your boy Aaron Rodgers, he's missing some passes. See him lighten it up next week? Yeah, no, totally. I have an effect the Cardinals. I'm listen, I'm not racing about the Cardinals. But four teens high? All right?

I said ten. But there's one for you, hi? Is this one the Chiefs in Oakland to play the Raiders Chiefs coming off of bye when last we saw them playing the epic game against the Rams losing their night in two Now, and let me just say this about the Oakland Raiders video, I said this to you all fair, I will I will repeat this on air because this

is perhaps the most damning thing I can say. So every Monday morning before I come in here, I actually, as you can tell, take notes on every team and every game and things that I want to get to, and sometimes I forget to get to certain things. Because they have so many things to say about stuff. Maybe much the people should grin too that I have too much to say. You know, what happened with the Oakland Raiders? I have nothing. There was nothing to write, like, not

even even with the bad teams. At least I can say, oh, why were they doing this? Why were there with Oakland? It's just this. Yeah, Uh, there's nothing. There's nothing in the box score, there's nothing in the performance, there's nothing. Ravens beat him yesterday thirty four to seventeen. To answer your question, the Chiefs will be more than a two touchdown favorite at the Raiders. So I'll just say fourteen and a half and we'll go from there. Christie opened it.

That one makes sense to me. Okay, So basically what we're saying if the Raiders, if the Chiefs were hosting the Raiders, it will be over seventeen. Right. By the way, this is uh one of two games they've got left here in the last month of the season. They play each other their first meeting. Yeah, this is their first meeting of the year. So that plus are going to be in Kansas. Well, I think to Gil, it'll deink.

Is it the last game of the season. I have to double check that because it will depend on you know, what the playoff standings are? Two right? You know we always see that week seventeen. Oh, it's a week seventeen. I think it. Those games are all yeah, those games. That's why we don't do a guessing line because you just have no idea. So um so chiefs on the opener in Tennessee. Tennessee does play tonight, Tennessee place tonight,

Mariota in the lineup tonight with the elbow. Post a number here at the sub point on this you did Jets at Tennessee, Jets or at Tennessee to play the Titans. And again McCown donald Donald was out of the boot, but he didn't play yesterday. I don't know if there's a but not enough of a difference to not post at house. Okay. I gave a shout to Frank Reich earlier for the mortar kick right, which none of the announcers mentioned. Where it's like, okay, they got the flag

on tying touchdown. They got a flag and instead of kicking through the end zone, Frank Reich did the right thing. He mortar kicked it. They all got an additional flag. Miami was pinned back played it beautifully the Colts yesterday at the end. So in the category of coaching mismanagement, one oh one once again. Todd Bowls yesterday for the Jets taken on the Patriots. Patriots beat the Jets thirteen, covering the closing twelve and a half point number here

at the South Point Hotel Casino. We'll get to this game momentarily when we talk about the Patriots. But Todd Bowls yesterday, the Jets were up seven to nothing, okay, and the Patriots are driving, and James White was called for an offensive pass interference on third and two from the jets twenty four yard line. Okay, offensive p I third and two from the Jets twenty four So you have an option fourth and two, or you push them back third and twelve, which is not out of field

goal range. Right, You're still in field range. Okay. So the play is you clearly decline that penalty and you put them in fourth down, because it's Tom Brady, for God's sakes, fourth down, make them choose, make them kick a field goal, or one play it out. Anybody can win on one play, right, That's not what Todd Bowles did no accepted the penalty third and twelve from the

thirty four and of course what did Brady do? Brady to Gronk by the way, Gronk siting everybody, Yeah, first touchdown and since n I believe no, it was a long time for grown who by the way I said, I've said on this show, I think we've kind of seen the end of him. But he showed up for that. Yes. Well, but but he's a decoy at this point. This here's the thing. He still has to draw cover. He's still

an option. He's still got great hands. Three catches, this one for a beautiful His teammates more of a factor, he makes them better. And this was dangerous and this was a heck of a catch. He grabs it, touchdown. Look plenty healthy on that play after missing the past two games with back and ankle issues and because of Todd Bowls taking that penalty seven to seven game. We have no idea what would have happened if you decline it.

But you get the idea of why would you give Tom Brady Because it's not like pushing him back gets you out of field goal range. Gostkowski is still gonna sink it because he's Gostkowski anyway, Todd Bowles, who I will give a lifetime pass for because he's a Roshing and Redskins Super Bowl champion. Just a ridiculous decision. And Mike Zimmer's coming up. It gets worse. Uh, Tennessee minus four and a half at home against the Jets. I'll give it, give it more Tennessee. Yes, really? Why? Why

is Tennessee? But Tennessee is the most schizophrenic jekylin hide? Well yeah, and yeah, don't, I don't, I don't, I think tennis? Why is Tennessee? Why would Tennessee be that big of a favorite over the Jets because it's the Jets and Todd bowls as you just mentioned. Yeah, but it's Tennessee. All right? What is it? Six? Then nine and a half? What tennis? Wait a minute, Vinny, Tennessee is a nine and a half point favorite over the Jets. I'm sorry? What world did we just enter? Tennessee is

a nine and a half pint favorite? That's gotta be you're putting that up right now? Should we go to break so you can go better? Right now? Let's go to break. Let's go to break, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Al Right, play on the Jets. You're telling me it's nine and a half. It's just Mike, Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, Well that's why we do guessing lines. I sit here outraged, and then we see it pan out the next Sunday. All right, we got more games to get too, We

got a whole bunch of more. I'm guessing we'll see if we one too. Let's do so so far, the most outrage I've been myself. I'd be on the Jets, the Jets that actually play Arizona. I wouldn't write the difference between ten or fourteen on Green Billy. I'm not racing to play the Cardinals because Aaron Rodgers could go crazy and you probably will. But the Jets, if you're giving me all those points, just like with Miami last week when you told me the Colts were nine point

favors against the Dolphins, is ridiculous, ridiculous. And what was the other one, Jorge, where I was like, wait a minute, what your other one? Atlanta and Baltimore. I'll take Atlanta. So I like Atlanta and I like the Jets. That sets up for a fun Sunday. But your money behind the fount think about think about think about what you just said. Yeah, all right, we got more guessing lines. Why we do it? Week? Their tay National Football League.

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here over alright? So what have we learned here today? What we've learned is my my Redskins and Dolphins from last week, would you get if you had bet them? Even the Redskins at the time of gasing lines, would both be winners for yesterday? My Redskins and Dolphins from last week. This week are the Falcons and the Jets. I'm I'm incredulous at those lines. Okay, good, I like that we have a couple of these, though you want there are some weeks where we have nothing. You're all right,

all right? What's next? Vikings Patriots, Vikings, Patriots Vikings. Yesterday, so they beat the Packers on Sunday Night Football to seventeen, a game that was fourteen and fourteen at a half, but a game that the Vikings statistically dominated. But Mike Zimmer, what are you doing? And not just once but twice about at the end of the game. Well, let me get to that one. Let me get to the first one vis seen covering the three and a half points.

First of all, the Vikings are up ten points, right, and it's fourth and short with time running out in the game, fourth and short on the green bay two something like inside, inside the and Mike Zimmer elects to go for it. Not only go for it, but the play select. All right, yeah it was a pass. Okay, Well he likes he likes to go for a period.

And at that point you're like, okay, if you kicked the field goal, you're up thirteen, which is too touchdown needed as opposed to if you miss this Aaron Rodgers. By the way, let me repeat that, Aaron Rodgers, We'll only need to touchdown in a field goal to push this into overtime. And Chris Collinsworth and Alt Michael's both go, oh yeah, that's the right call. What it's still two scores. It's not the same kind of two scores. One's a field goal for God's six. I'm like, what are they doing?

So anybody who had the Packers yesterday plus three and a half was like, oh my god, please go for it, and he did, and they failed and the back door was wide open. By the way, what are you doing, Mike Zimmer, um locking in at least at that point unless the defensive score happened, Um locking in packard teasers.

You had made a point about teasers. He's at the beginning of the so plus ten a half on the seven point teaser with were the Packers, So that hook would have been a teaser killer as well, perhaps Okay, And then and then just to make sure that you were thinking, oh, Mike Zimmer, maybe he had one one brain fart there. Maybe maybe he won't have another. Oh, yes, he did, because he did exactly what the Chargers did, which we land based of the charges for last week

against the Broncos. The Chargers throw a pass inside the two minute warning last week to stop the clock and give Denver four or five additional plays that Denver then

used to win the football game. Michael, Mike Zimmer. Yesterday they call a pass on right inside the two minute warning on third and short, which, by the way, Kirk Cousins throws behind Stefon Diggs and Diggs still manages to grab it, saving the Vikings, who were up seven at that time, because if that ball goes to the turf, Aaron Rodgers get four or five additional more plays instead digs catches at the game's over. But if that goes to the turf, the clock is stopped and they've got

to get They've got to punt the football. So that's two plays where like, what are you doing, Mike Zimmer. They got away with it, they did, but had an effect on the betting result for sure. Yes, in the first series of the game, he wasted a time out on the fourth and one and then they had a

false start. That's right. It was a horrible series of all sorts of decisions on his part, horrible sequence, and they will all and this is the thing, and it gets back to sort of like the Cowboys fan thing that I was talking about after the Redskins Cowboys game, where my Cowboys buddy was like, hey, Mariy Cooper really showed up, didn't he. I'm like, dude, Quentin Dunbar slipped and hackling dicks to the bag bet Like, what game are you watching? It's amazing how people twist the narrative

to their like what tell the truth? So this Zimmer stuff is gonna get washed n because they got the win, but file it away for the playoffs. Have girls you as a better you want to pay attention to, not just a tiles will read about read the box scores, what you see. You have to watch as money games as you possibly can. It's hard to I mean, look, I get it, we do it for people who are jobs.

But um, but when you isolated games like that, you've got to You've got to, you know, kind of pay attention to those things because for future reference, as you pointed out, because it really felt like and I've asked Michael Lombardi this, I'm like, is it just that like we who are sitting on our couch eating a sandwich, our brain is more is less cluttered than a coach

on the sidelines who has to make the decisions. Or is it genuinely that coaches just they choke And I think this was choking last we Well you also wonder what's being said in it too. But because it's this is I mean, at the end of the day, it's the head coaches decision, right, Um, but it's still there is a um they are caucused, they're discussing, all right. I mean, you've got coordinators. You've got other coaches, but somebody's got to know. Look, we gotta we gotta gotta

clock the clock. The clock is as valuable as points in many situations. That's what we're talking about. Well, as Michael Lombardi, As Michael Lombardi says, they need to view the clock as an equivalent to a number of plays. How much does that? What? What is the number of plays the opposing team can run given the amount of clock you're giving them by making that decision, Um boy? Anyway, Kirk Cousins great game twenty three, two three touchdowns, no picks.

Adam Feeling eight catches for a touchdown. The Patriots, who you said they are traveling to here? The Patriots eight and three. They beat the Jets by two touchdowns. Sony Michelle twenty one carries, one under thirty three yards and a touchdown. Gronk with three catches fifty six yards in a touchdown. The Pats had four ninety eight total yards of offense, but a lot of penalties for New England eleven for one oh five. UM season, best, let me just before you give me a number of year, I

want to say this. We don't have a number posts on the scheme yet, just reviewing a few things from the Vikings game last night, and I have a number we can you and I can talk about him because it'll be close to this, I think. But just to make sure that everybody came out of the Patriot game, because you know you talked about Gronk earlier in out, but you know he's been I think they've adjusted right to to the non Gronk Gronka situation in the past.

But just so for the books listening again, it's not in watching Don Best right now, what Patriots by six would be? My guess, yeah, six, six to seven, it's right there. Yeah. David Purtam, who does such a wonderful job over at ESPN, he reports the Patriots opened as lower seven and a half over the Jets, closed as high as thirteen thirty minutes prior to kick off. Nine percent of the money bet on the game's point spread was on the Patriots. That's I guess. I guess he

culled everybody together up with that number. Nine of the money at Caesar's, he reports in Nevada, for every one bet on the underdog Jets, there were ten on the Patriots, had of risk. Jeff Davis said the money wagered on the game was even more lopsided on New England. Pertam also reports the Patriots covered the spread, uh but late in the fourth quarter, Josh McCown led a thirteen play drive down. I guess he's just recovered. He's just recounting

the final drive, he said. John Murray, our buddy over at the super book Pernam Reports, said we had a guy bet fifty thousand dollars flat on the Patriots minus nine early in the week. People were piling on five figures on the Pagriots all week. No matter what, we moved the number two. And it should be noted that it came down to plinko at the end. The Jets

were driving, could have could have covered, but didn't work out. Jimmy, Jimmy McCarroll, Christie when out front, he was on the count, Jimmy viccaren and I was sitting there watching that they did have a chance to cover. He got down to the four yards. By the way, it was some Jet money for the first half yesterday too. Let's remember that. So we talked about the games themselves. We have the most money wagered on him and everything, but four yard

line and that's all and that's the play. But they got they the Jets were they were first in goal, by the way, on a penalty in the red zone. It was. It was a thirteen play drive down to the four yard line. Two incomplete passes turned the ball over on downs from there, by the way, the receiver on fourth down dropped the ball. How many more games we gotta get to everybody. We've got one after one afternoon, two night games. Let's do the one afternoon right here,

real quick. Here you go, Niners Seahawks in Seattle. Boy, let me tell you about the sea. The rejuvenated Seahawks. Seattle Seahawks had a schedule. When Warren Sharp and I would do the strength of schedule before the season, we were talking about how the Giants first seven was a gauntlet, and it turned out to be a gauntlet for the Giants.

But one of the things we noted with the Seahawks, Warren does very great strength of schedule analysis, was how there's they're gauntlet, if you will, was going to be the last nine games of the year. But they got a break break, if you will, when Jimmy Garoppolo went down for the Niners, So two of those nine games immediately became unbelievably more easy. Well, the Seahawks the last month have had a really tough schedule and they have blasted through it, and now it looks great for the

Seahawks moving forward with those two Niners games. Among the remaining five, the Seahawks are six and five. They beat the Panthers yesterday thirty seven. Russell Wilson on a fourth and three with three twenty six left in this game, fourth and three throws a thirty five yard touchdown past that David Moore. If you're a Panthers back or a Panthers fan, you're like, this kid is killing me. Russell Wilson is unbelievable. You are always alive, always with him.

That dude is amazing, right always. I mean, he's he's got a dimension. He's got a mental toughness as well as a maneuverability factor that just you and again, but here's the thing, Carolina, look at they've lost three in

a row. Look how they've lost them. See that's and that's what we talk about, like filing away with Mike Zimmer, Can you really you really want to put money behind this team, Carrot Caroline in the playoffs, if they get there, if they get if they get there now right, so that that touchdown the fourth and three would have been a game ender pretty much, but instead it Panthers come down, Graham Gano miss because you gotta kick a fifty two yard or Ron Rivera, that's what you really want to

do there with one forty left in the game. That would have given the Panthers lead. Gano as let him down again. Two weeks in a row, the Panthers um forty one straight at home Gano had made, including a sixty three ardor that beat the Giants. Of course, the Giants are like, yeah, we remember, but he misses that one, and then uh, the Seahawks come down the field and Wilson hits Tye Lockett on a big gainer that puts them in field goal rains. The rest of this history.

Seattle wins it good for Seattle. Wilson thirty one three thirty nine, two touchdowns, no picks, Tie lock At five for one oh seven into touch David Moore four for one oh three in a touchdown, Seahawks two for two on fourth downs. And then there's the Niners. They lose to who they lose two for God's six Tampa Tampa Billy Brita hundred six yards on the ground. Pettis four for seventy seven to a touchdown. But the Niners were one for eight on third Niners yesterday in that game.

Who did people? Yeah? People? Uh? And Reuben Foster's Donzell that's the end. And I brought this up with Michael Lombardi a couple of weeks ago. The Niners need to start evaluating themselves because their drafts look miserable now that John Lynch draft looks awful. Some bad decision making. That Reuben Foster thing brings it to light. Reuben Foster uh

cut from the team after another domestic violence charge. By the way, if Niners played without garsone and Goodwin yesterday, also without Alfred Moores Seahawks bite this is in Seattle. In Seattle was a rain factor this time of year. I'm gonna say Seattle by ten. There you go right on the money, all right, We'll do the primetime game Sunday night, Flex Monday night next on a Numbers game. And VI said video for Chrissy and broadcasting live from

our vs in studios in Las Vegas. David Purton, our buddy from ESPN, also reporting that a better at MGM placed an eighty thousand dollar bet on the Browns and high five figure bets on the Niners, Eagles, Jaguars, and Jets.

Some good, some not so good. Super Book took an eighty four thousand dollar bet on that Bucks minus three minus one twenty when the line was first posted on the board last Sunday, noop, not good um, and then a v I be customer at the super Book placed the fifty five thousand dollar bet on the Packers plus three and a half against the Vikings. Um ed Salmon's reporting that if the Vikings won, which they did, they'll probably break even for the day. It was a good

needed the Vikings last night. It was a good result Sunday night. Vinnie fled X time to have Sunday Night the Chargers in Pittsburgh to play the Steelers. Hearkening back to the was it to remember that it was a f C title game in Pittsburgh back in the day with the Chargers one and the Chargers one as pretty and they were then they played hundred seeds. Bobby Bethard, San Diego Charge Chargers go Bobby Bethard doing it after his stint with Skins and then getting the Charges there.

Chargers end up getting crushed by the Niners in the Super Bowl. But you know that's a footnote Chargers at Pittsburgh. This is where all the Chargers fans, by the way, the people who live in southern California like, okay, here's where we lose, defeat defeat us Chargers. Faith they did not mismanage the clock last week. They'd be the two

seed right now. They would be the two seed right now, I believe so well, right, they would have two loss No, but so with so with the Chiefs though, No, no, the Chiefs would be the one seed because the Chiefs beat them. Correct, the Patriots have three losses. The Chargers would, Well, they wouldn't because they're in the same division. Though any Chargers in Chiefs. I'm just saying, they would be the top two teams in the n f C, to top two seeds, right, No, that's right, that's right, all right.

The first thing about this game that needs to be said is we need to find out about Melvin Gordon today because Melvin Gordon had an injury in that game. It was MC l um. We have to find out the seriousness of that injury. He may be gone for not at all. He may be gone for a short period of time, and maybe gone for a long period of time. We don't know why he was in the game when he was in the game yesterday. I have no idea. It's a question for Anthony Lennon company. So

that's the first thing. I don't know how you can set a line necessarily without knowing that. But Philip Rivers yesterday against the Cardinals twenty eight of twenty nine. Let me repeat the twenty eight of twenty nine for two fifty nine, three touchdowns and a pick. His only incompletion, by the way, I know he wants to have that bag. He kind of flung it over his head to uh to Uh Austin uh Ekeler greatest completion percentage in NFL history. Nine In the game, they were down ten and nothing

one at here. You guys take ten points and we'll play from here. Melvin Gordon the third ten for sixty one, two touchdowns, Mike Williams four catches for twenty five and two beautiful touchdown catches. By the way, Mike Williams and Um Keenan Allen with just toe tapping catches. Yesterday they were phenomenal chargers out first down the Cardinals if you will, thirty to ten out total yard at I'm four fourteen one nine sixty six to thirty five in total plays,

had the ball for over thirty five minutes um. And then there's the Pittsburgh Steelers. We talked about the Pittsburg Stealers for a second before you do. Melvin Gordon out for a few weeks with a Grade two MCL screen, but he should be back before the playoffs, according to Ian Rapperport this morning. So there it is. That's the information you need for this game. This changes much now. People will say, hey, look it's still the charges. They

got a lot of weapons. But Melvin Gordon is Melvin Gordon. How was that for articulate? Melvin Gordon is Melvin Gordon is right there with it. If you're if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, that's another one. Or hey add that to uh two things that come out into the convented and just to the the common sphere of of you know, of our society, that didn't exist one day and now everybody says it it is what it is. Five years ago, nobody ever said that French like Black Friday, have a

nice day. Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday big Ben forty one of fifty six for four sixty two a touchdown in two picks. It was big Ben's six four hundred and fifty yard plus passing game of his career. Juju, by the way, Juju Smith Schuster thirteen catches for nine two touched as including that nine seven yard, five hundred and twenty seven total yards of offense for the Steelers, thirty five minutes time of possession, and they lose by a touchdown to

the Broncos. Here are five different things that happened to the Steelers yesterday. If you're a Steelers fan or a Steelers backer, these are the five moments of the game. One blocked field goal, to fumble through the back of the end zone when they were going in first score. And can I just say the dumbest rule in professional football? Why when the ball gets fumbled through the end zone should the opposing team get possession? Why is it that punitive of of of a foul. I get it, you

should be penalized, but shouldn't you get the ball? Let's say, back at the twenty or twenty five yard line, Why should the other team get the ball. They don't get the ball when you fumble it out of bounds in the playing field, Why should you get it in the end zone? Makes it there's I don't understand the logic of it is what I'm saying. That happens. So fumble through the back of the end zone. It is what it is. Ben miss is a wide open receiver in

the third quarter, just wide open. I don't know if it's Jusu or James Washington. I can't remember. Misses him wide open. James Conner fumbles inside the red zone, right on the right on the twenty yard line late, and then of course the final pick to Shelby, Steeler's first loss since September. So without Melvin Gordon though, now this has got to be Pittsburgh by more than a field goal. I'll say, I'll say it's Pittsburgh by at least four. Here, I'll say four. It's called it's three and a half.

Three and a half. That take let's put it this way, that takes it off the three. For sure, I could see I could see it without Gordon, this this going up and the Steelers coming off a loss coming home. Yeah, Joey Bosa showed up yesterday for the Chargers. I had a bone bruising his left foot and missed the first nine games. Two sacks and five tackles yesterday. Repeat that on Melvin Gordon again. Worry real quick before we gonna break. He'll be at a couple of weeks, but should be

back to the playoffs. Great tooth spring. According to there's a big difference. Be mean a couple of weeks back. They've got five games right, alright, alrighty drilled down on that for us. You do the math. Come on, all right, what's the same And it's the Redskins and Eagles on Monday Night, right, Redskins and Eagles on Monday night. Colton McCoy in Philadelphia, Ladies, gentlemen, two straight primetime Colt McCoy games. The Colt McCoy through a couple of ducks, that's for sure.

But uh, and I'll say this again, boy, the rest died the Redskins. No favorite Redskins fans are infuriated by this game. By the way, A p I on one of those duck picks that was not called and a targeting on Jordan's read at the end where you could hear it up in the stands uncalled and Jordan reads like, isn't this what you guys have been talking about for five years? I get it. You want the Cowboys? Yeah, I get an Americans seeing all this nonsense. Sorry guy

said that. Hello again. If the if the Eagles are, the Cowboys loose to the Saints and the Eagles win this game, three way tie A top the NFC the East at six and six Giants not one of those teams. Colt McCoy two thirty eight for two sixty eight, two touchdowns, three picks, sack three times against the Cowboys. Zach Ertz to the rescue yesterday for the Eagles, seven catches, ninety one yards, touchdown, Jake Elliott kicking a forty three yard field goal with twenty two seconds left to give the

Eagles win after trailing nineteen to three. UM, I'm gonna go ahead and say the Eagles are gonna be I say, I don't think people like McCoy when they saw him on Thursday. And even though the Redskins have extra rest here, I think it's the Eagles by more points than it should be. I think it's the Eagles by six, six and a half, Wow, even even more six and a half Billy at home Monday night against Skins, Jets and Falcons.

Let's see if there's a we'll review these momentarily. I think I think that's where I gravitate towards guessing lines. Vinny Molulo in for Christie Andrews on a Monday morning, right here on a Numbers game in Visa. Down back to a Numbers game with your host, Gil Alexander, broadcasting live from our Visa in studios in Las Vegas. It is Gil Alexander, Jorge is here, Vinnie is in for Chrissy before we review these one last time. College Football

Championship Week Vinnie Pete few tack on tomorrow. Chris Felika the Bear from College Game down on a Numbers game Wednesday to talk about the committee. Oh, it's gonna be fun. This is where it gets fun to just back this around.

But Utah Washington Pack twelve championship game at Levi Stadium in Santa Clara on Friday night, And as someone who lived in the Bay Area for most of my adult life, let me just tell you what the excitement level for this will be on a Friday night of traffic in the Bay Area between Utah and you dub not at all nothing. Who's gonna want to fight that? Well? On on what's the number five favor of Huskies? Yes, Washington five? Alright?

How about Big twelve Championship Texas in Oklahoma on Saturday, Oklahoma. This scheme is in Arlington, Oklahoma seven and a half. And again these are up here at the South Point, Oklahoma with college football playoff implications. Perhaps just I can score against anybody, but they can't stop anybody there. That's right it Really they are who we've always known them to be. We'll get into the Oklahoma Ohio State debate tomorrow. In on Wednesday, I got much to say. Big ten Championship,

which is Saturday night Northwestern and Ohio State. That's gonna be a huge Ohio State fourteen in Indianapolis. What's just out of curiosity a CEC Clemson favored by what four touchdowns? Um SEC Championship Alabama Georgia huge and a half. Alabama's favored by thirteen and a half over Georgia because I think George's second best team in the country. Alabamas favored by thirteen and a half. I'm a little surprised at

that high. You're not and a half. They took the thirteen and a half, by the way, it's thirteen now, Yeah, I wouldn't taken thirteen. I may still take their team just out of curiosity. You see f now without Mackenzie Milton against Memphis. What's that number Central Florida three and a half? You see three and a half in Orlando. You know what sucks is that he's out now, and now we can't even have this UCF debate. By the way, I have trouble with that argument too, that we can't

have that debate now that he's out. That troubles me a little too. Gil. At some point, they'll, yeah, come to their senses and expand the playoff. I know they will. I know they will, and then we can argue over who's the ninth or eighth BIS and that will happen. So we'll talk all college football. This is great stuff and what could happen, um if one of these teams Oklahoma, if if if Georgia play a's tight with Alabama beats Alabama could send everything into CAB But George will be

number four. Here, it'll suck if for George, it sucks if they losing their out because I think they're the second best team in the country. But you know that's how two losses, right, they have two losses at that point, and uh, that's it's gonna be. That's gonna be the determining factor for them. And what I say, what I say when when Ohio State was number ten, what did I say? I was like, the one thing that's gonna piss me off as of Ohio State. Weasels their way

in from number ten. And then there's a scenario where they do now, uh, last thing on this then review the NFL picks or the guessing of the lines. I should say, Um, all of that on page one looks about right. I think the Dolphins is a bit high. Quite frankly, I like the Bills getting six against the Dolphins. I thought it should be four and a half. Next page, Um, on this one, the one that sticks out, green Bay

giving fourteen. I thought it should be around ten. But I'm not rushing to bet the cart Broncos Bengals is quarterback dependent between Dalton and Driscle. Next page and then here the big thing is Tennessee nine and a half point favorites over the Jets is outrageous to me, Donald or not, it's outrageous. You had one more and I had one more. The Falcons, which I guess I missed. I like the Falcons. The Ravens are actually favorite. Give me the Falcons at home. Any for Christie, Thank you for Lit