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Banking with Interest

Banking with Interest, a podcast by IntraFi, features in-depth analysis and insight into the policy changes reshaping the banking industry. With insightful interviews and previews of pending policy challenges, the podcast is an essential listen for anyone connected to the financial services industry. Banking with Interest is hosted by Rob Blackwell, an award-winning former journalist with more than two decades of experience as an expert on financial services policy. He is now Chief Content Officer and Head of External Affairs with IntraFi. The show is produced by Sam Navarro, senior principal writer at IntraFi. The podcast theme song was written and produced by Stellar Tracks. The information, views, and opinions expressed during Banking With Interest belong solely to Rob Blackwell and his guests and do not represent those of IntraFi LLC, its directors, management, or employees. Any ideas and strategies contained within the podcast are for informational purposes only and do not constitute legal or investment advice.
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Episodes

Are Banks Really Ready for AI?

Kiah Haslett, banking and fintech editor for Bank Director and FinXTech, talks about how Wall Street giants like Bank of America and community-focused lenders are training their teams to be savvy AI users. She also shares insights about an upcoming FinXTech report on why community banks need a comprehensive data strategy, and federal regulators' decision to abandon reputation risk as a potential threat to banks.

Jun 04, 202545 minSeason 6Ep. 20

After a Fraud, this Bank Refused to Give Her Money Back. Now She's the CEO.

While serving in the Oklahoma National Guard, Jill Castilla returned home to find a family member had stolen her money. The bank refused to give her the money back. Decades later, she now leads that bank, Citizens Bank of Edmond, and has used it to launch a digital bank aimed at servicemembers to ensure others don't suffer the same fate. She also talks about the policy challenges facing community banks right now, how to fix them, and why she remains optimistic about the future.

May 20, 202539 minSeason 6Ep. 19

Politico's Sutton on China Tariff Deal, Behind the Scenes at Milken

Sam Sutton, the author of Politico's Morning Money, discusses the impact of the Trump Administration's recent deal to reduce tariffs on China, and what Wall Street and bankers were worried about — publicly and privately — at last week's Milken Institute gathering.

May 14, 202525 minSeason 6Ep. 18

Inside Dems Surprising Turn Against the Stablecoin Bill

Brendan Pedersen, author of Punchbowl News' The Vault, talks about why key Democrats withdrew support for a bill to regulate stablecoins, how House Financial Services Committee GOP are targeting CFPB, and why an effort to overturn the medical debt rule appears to have failed for now.

May 06, 202546 minSeason 6Ep. 17

Is This the End of the Fed and CFPB As We Know Them?

President Trump is flirting with the idea of firing Fed Chairman Jerome Powell while the administration is attempting to lay off 90% of the CFPB's employees. John Heltman, Washington bureau chief of American Banker, and Kate Berry, the paper's consumer reporter, discuss what's next for these two agencies.

Apr 29, 202536 minSeason 6Ep. 16

How Tariffs Impact Banks, Bessent's Ambitious Agenda & Stablecoin Fears

Jaret Seiberg, managing director at TD Cowen, talks about how the uncertain economic environment—and changing policies regarding tariffs—are impacting banks large and small. He also tackles Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's bank regulatory agenda, whether the Trump administration can successfully accomplish GSE reform and the significant risks to banks from stablecoin legislation.

Apr 16, 202531 minSeason 6Ep. 15

Why State Regulators Are Worried About Stablecoin Legislation

Brandon Milhorn, the CEO of the Conference of State Bank Supervisors, details his concerns about bills fast-tracked in Congress that would give regulatory guardrails for stablecoins. The state regulators he represents say it would open the door to mixing banking and commerce, disintermediate banks and give too much power to the federal government.

Apr 08, 202538 minSeason 6Ep. 14

What the Hell Is Going on with the GSEs?

Katy O'Donnell, the financial services reporter for Politico , dives into a series of surprising moves by new FHFA Director Bill Pulte, including firing the CEO of Freddie Mac, appointing himself chair of both GSEs, and cutting programs.

Apr 02, 202527 minSeason 6Ep. 13

What the Hell is Going On: CDFI, CFPB Edition

The Trump administration unexpectedly targeted the Community Development Financial Institution Fund, touching off concern among bankers and their representatives that the bipartisan program could be eliminated. Ryan Tracy, who covers financial regulation and banking for Capitol Account , explains what happened, why, and the future of CDFIs. We also discuss the latest legal maneuvers surrounding the CFPB, what Fed Gov. Michelle Bowman's nomination as vice chair for banking supervision means for c...

Mar 26, 202529 minSeason 6Ep. 12

How Treasury's Bessent Is Upending Bank Regulation

Not that long ago, the Treasury secretary mostly took a back seat to the banking agencies in crafting policy, stepping in only during times of crisis. Not anymore. Karen Shaw Petrou, managing partner of Federal Financial Analytics, discusses Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's expansive view of his own role, why he's taking charge, and what it means for banks.

Mar 18, 202531 minSeason 6Ep. 11

Zelle Chief on Fraud, Friction and Future

Cam Fowler, the CEO of Zelle parent company Early Warning Services, talks about the peer-to-peer payment system's rapid growth, the furor around fraud, and its new digital wallet, Paze. Fowler explains how the company is working to make the platform safer for consumers and why he believes shared accountability is the best approach to stopping criminals.

Mar 11, 202529 minSeason 6Ep. 10

Rep. Lucas on Fed Independence, Bank Supervisory Role

Rep. Frank Lucas, the chair of a newly created Congressional task force on monetary policy, discusses the panel's agenda and upcoming hearings, the first of which takes place this week. The Oklahoma Republican grapples with two separate questions: should the Fed be independent and should it have a direct role in banking supervision?

Mar 04, 202526 minSeason 6Ep. 9

What the Hell is Going On, Part II: Merging OCC, FDIC?

The Trump administration wants to fold the FDIC's bank oversight duties into the OCC without congressional approval. Evan Weinberger, a banking correspondent at Bloomberg Law, details the ramifications for community banks, what's already happening at both agencies, and what may happen next.

Feb 26, 202533 minSeason 6Ep. 8

What the Hell is Going On? A Banker's Guide to D.C.

Victoria Guida of Politico and Brendan Pedersen of Punchbowl News sort through how and why the Trump administration is remaking banking regulation. Is the CFPB neutered for the next four years or maybe forever? Will the OCC take over the FDIC's exam functions? Why did big bank CEOs meet with the Senate Banking Committee? What's DOGE up to at Treasury?

Feb 20, 202544 minSeason 6Ep. 7

Bank Supervision Needs "Complete Change in Focus"

Greg Baer, the CEO of the Bank Policy Institute, argues that bank supervision has gone off course, focusing on the wrong areas and making the system less safe. He outlines how he and big banks would recommend fixing it. He also discusses stress test and AML reform, new liquidity rules, Basel III, CFPB and more.

Feb 11, 202534 minSeason 6Ep. 6

Fmr. Sen. Toomey: Why Debanking Crypto Occurred—And How to Solve It

Former Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., one of the first lawmakers to sound alarms about the debanking of crypto firms , talks about President Trump's accusation that large banks are systemically debanking conservatives, and what he thinks is really going on. That includes how policymakers could fix the issue permanently and why some proposed solutions might backfire.

Feb 04, 202533 minSeason 6Ep. 5

Rep. Waters on Dem's Strategy, Stablecoins, Housing & More

Rep. Maxine Waters, lead Democrat on House Financial Services, discusses how the committee and Congress have changed in her long tenure, her relationship with Chair French Hill, and the importance of community banks. She also unveils the Democratic agenda for this Congress, including housing reform, stablecoin regulation and more.

Jan 29, 202538 minSeason 6Ep. 4

What Community Bankers Want from D.C.

Brad Bolton, the CEO of Community Spirit Bank in Red Bay, Ala., discusses the state of community banking right now, including what challenges he and other small institutions face and how they hope policymakers can help. He dives into concerns about new small business lending data requirements and other pending regulations, calls for bank consolidation, and what worries him most.

Jan 22, 202534 minSeason 6Ep. 3

The End of Independent Bank Regulation?

Michael Barr's surprising decision to step down as Fed vice chair of banking supervision next month allows the incoming Trump administration to make its own pick for the job and raises questions about the political independence of the banking regulators going forward. Andrew Ackerman, senior financial reporter with The Washington Post , walks through the implications for banks and discusses Barr's likely successor.

Jan 14, 202524 minSeason 6Ep. 2

OCC's Hsu on Unfinished Business, Reg Restructuring & Dangers Ahead

Acting Comptroller of the Currency Michael Hsu talks about his three-plus years at the forefront of bank regulation, including what regulators learned from the fall of SVB, why we still need new Basel capital rules, and whether regulatory restructuring would be worth the effort.

Jan 02, 202535 minSeason 6Ep. 1

What's the Future of the CFPB and FDIC Under Trump?

Evan Weinberger, the banking reporter at Bloomberg Law, talks about the Trump administration's trial balloon to eliminate the FDIC or combine regulatory agencies. He also goes in-depth on the various fights the CFPB is engaged in, how the Trump administration could choose to tackle them, and what that would mean for banks.

Dec 17, 202437 minSeason 5Ep. 41

Crypto's Win, Stablecoins' Future & Debanking Debate

Alex Johnson, the founder and publisher of Fintech Takes, tackles several hot-button topics, including how the crypto industry's election victories will influence the next Trump administration, and why hype around stablecoins as a replacement for banks may be misplaced. He also discusses whether banks are really engaging in debanking as a prominent venture capitalist recently claimed.

Dec 12, 202445 minSeason 5Ep. 40

What Trump's Treasury Pick Means for Banks, Fed and Wall Street

Sam Sutton, the primary author of Politico's Morning Money newsletter, goes behind the scenes on why President-elect Trump chose Scott Bessent to lead the Treasury Department. Sutton discusses Bessent's experience and agenda, how his views on tariffs and inflation will play out in the next administration, and how they portend a potential brewing conflict with the Federal Reserve.

Dec 05, 202429 minSeason 5Ep. 39

Behind Rep. Hill's Plan to Make Community Banks Great Again

Rep. French Hill, a top contender to lead the House Financial Services Committee, details his plan to help banks, including revamping regulators' approach to M&A, ending Operation Choke Point, and encouraging more de novos. He also discusses his views on Scott Bessent, President-elect Trump's nominee for Treasury secretary, the mood among GOP lawmakers, how the government can confront fraud at banks, what he thinks Congress can do for banks over the next two years and his takeaways from the ...

Nov 26, 202445 minSeason 5Ep. 38

CBA's Johnson on CFPB Under Trump, Open Banking and Junk Fees vs. Junk Facts

Lindsey Johnson, CEO and president of the Consumer Bankers Association, talks about how the CFPB may change under the second Trump administration. Will a Trump-appointed CFPB director roll back the recently finalized open data rule? What happens for banks and consumers if that rule is left to stand? She also tackles the future of the agency's overdraft proposal and small business lending rule.

Nov 21, 202437 minSeason 5Ep. 37

The Massive Implications for Banks from the GOP's Sweeping Victory

With Republicans set to control the White House, Senate, and House next year, Victoria Guida of Politico and Brendan Pedersen of Punchbowl News dive into the implications for financial services companies. That includes what it means for the Fed, including whether President-elect Trump might try to oust Chair Jerome Powell, and what kinds of leaders will take the reins of the Congressional banking committees.

Nov 13, 202444 minSeason 5Ep. 36

How Generative AI Agents Could Threaten Financial Stability

The rise of generative AI agents have promised consumers a better, safer future. But what happens if those agents act in ways that destabilize the system, causing bank runs or better enable bad actors to commit fraud or hack financial institutions? Todd Phillips, assistant professor at Georgia State University's Robinson College of Business, talks about his new paper looking into how AI could wreak havoc on the financial system.

Nov 05, 202437 minSeason 5Ep. 35

How CFPB's Open Data Rule Will Impact Banks

Kate Berry, a reporter for American Banker, and Christopher Williston, the CEO of the Independent Bankers Association of Texas, go in-depth to discuss the CFPB's final Section 1033 rule, which implements open banking. They tackle which institutions are most at risk from the final rule, why trade groups are suing to block it, and how the CFPB is responding to bank fears it will spur more fraud.

Oct 30, 202443 minSeason 5Ep. 34

How Russia Targets Banks, Wall Street

Eamon Javers, a senior Washington correspondent for CNBC, talks about his new podcast, "The Crimes of Putin's Trader," and how Russia is using hackers to infiltrate banks and Wall Street. He goes behind the scenes on the case of Vladislav Klyushin, who was convicted by the U.S. of insider trading, how he was traded back this summer to Russia, and what it means for financial firms here.

Oct 23, 202445 minSeason 5Ep. 33

What the 2024 Election Means for Bankers

Cam Fine, former CEO and president of ICBA, and Ed Yingling, former CEO and president of ABA, discuss and debate the possible outcomes of the election—Presidential, House and Senate—and what they could mean for banking policy.

Oct 16, 202442 minSeason 5Ep. 32
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