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Absolutely, this was a shocking moment yesterday, to say the least. This was to be the last rally that the former president gave before making his way to Milwaukee, where the Republican National Convention is scheduled to start on Monday, and there's a lot to take care between now and then. He was floating the naming of his vice presidential nominee on an indefinite day. Could have been today, could have

And Milwaukee is front and center. That's really what we're going to focus on today is a path to Milwaukee to Chicago, and the adjusted path to November is well, We're going to do this this morning with pure conversation, and the newsflow overnight is the former president is resting well. If Donald Trump can ever rest somehow. I think he'll be up and about this morning, to.

Say the least, yes, his campaign saying that we are going to see him as this convention unfolds. He's not going to be off the campaign trail, and just to get everyone up to speed on sort of where things stand. This took place yesterday around six fifteen in the evening. Then we heard from the current president from Joe Biden in both the print statement and comments that he delivered

Tom I was sitting and you know we're going to have a good three hour conversation folks, to inform you about the immediacy of Milwaukee tomorrow. I'll be honest, that was not all that much up to speed on it, as David Gurray is, and it's here. Milwaukee is tomorrow, regularly scheduled, but frankly forever changed and is before we go to Hadriana Loincrun our reporter now in Pittsburgh. David,

George Wallace, the governor shot while campaigning outside of Washingt d C. Back in nineteen seventy two. But you're right, I think that something that adds to what's so startling about this moment is we haven't had attempts like these on candidates for president or sitting presidents in some time. Of course, this has been a very fraught time politically. There has been political violence, I think most recently of the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

What happened, which.

Speaker Pelosi spoke about yesterday was some.

Emotion referenced in her comments yesterday as well. So there have been moments like that Steve Scalize, the Republican congressman attacked while preparing for a congressional baseball game in twenty seventeen, and of course Gabby Gifford's the congressman from Arizona. So we've had this, it has been boiling, but we haven't had these attacks on presidential candidate and presidents in sometime in some decades.

As you said, Tom, let us begin our coverage. We're on YouTube this morning, of course, on Bloomberg Radio across the nation and worldwide on YouTube. We are at Bloomberg Podcasts, which is our growing digital presence. We say good morning worldwide on an Apple car Play and an Android auto as well. We get Lucky in that who was in Butler, Pennsylvania pulling the short straw covering a campaign event on a weekend, a hot, steamy weekend the summer was a

I didn't know this lucky.

When that happens. Joining us newly minted from the University of Pennsylvania and doing yeomen's duty for our White House

Yes, thanks for having me on. I've covered many a rally in this past election cycle. Some have been indoors, some have been outdoors. There's the same layer of the Secret Service. There's the security, you know, conveyor belt, and you walk through and their officer is left and right, and everything felt as per usual. People were milling around, they were eating, they were dancing to the music. Everything felt normal until you.

Know it wasn't hey, Jonna, how much of what the president was talking about in that field? And Butler was stock and trade what he said in these rallies. But for something that Tom mentioned a moment ago, as we were now on the prespice of this political convention. Over the course of the weekend, my inbox was filled with announcements from the Trump campaign of who's going to be speaking at that event in Milwaukee. Really pushing ahead to the programming that's going to take place. There was this

Was speaking there.

This did definitely appear to be you know, normal office is considered. It's you know, it's quite an event. But you know, for us, actually us as reporters and you know, a lot of political junkie is paying attention to this. The where a lot of the entry came was actually in the lead up to the event. As we had mentioned earlier, we're still waiting for a VP pick. Some thought that it was going to be announced earlier this

At first.

It's only happened a few minutes in. We're still looking around, will there be any surprise guests? And when we all kind of think, okay, well that hasn't happened yet, let's focus on the content of the speech, which also seems to be at that moment fairly similar, then this happened and it was just shocking, really.

Heydrianna, I know that the Biden campaign has changed its tack as a result of this. They've been pulling ads off the airwaves around the country, scaling back the outreach that they're doing in the coming days. I'm very curious both how this shapes or reshapes the Trump campaign's path forward going into Milwaukee, and how you think it might

Right, so, as we know, they have put out a statement we're kind of going to push forward as scheduled,

Hey, Dreon, one of the advantages here, and David is so ancient he actually remembers this where a convention was a four day television extravagant from if they were polite ten in the morning, but even eight in the morning till two am, depending on when the cigars lit out. You don't know, that is the ute of America. What Milwaukee will we see? It's a modern convention, sterilized. But will it be covered differently now with this assassination attempt?

You know, that's a great question. And we've already on our end been receiving you know, briefings as to what can and cannot you know, be posted on social media with credentials, and what to do should protests occur, which, as we all know already was likely before this happening. So definitely we all have to, you know, stand our guard and be very communicative. And you know, as for the hours, you know, Trump is, as you had mentioned at the top of the show, he has a lot

Yeah, and David, jump in here and through the three hours, folks, we're going to make this a very I hope informed, but informal conversation. David, I'm sorry. Yesterday at six point thirty pm, convention protocol changed. There's no end of forbuds about it.

You know, I was participating in the coverage that we were doing immediately after this on Bloomberg Radio. Jody Schneider, who heads up a lot of our political coverage on TV and radio, is already in Milwaukee, and she was saying, how you know, going into this event, there was, as you'd expect, very strict security surrounding the center of Milwaukee.

And CDs reports this morning they're extending the perimeter.

Perimeter is going to get wider. Security is going to get more stringent as well. I just go back to what I said a moment ago, which is there was already such an inherent fragility both to this convention, right and the Democratic National Convention. This is only going to make that even more fragile.

Tom Okay, Heydrianna, Heydriana, do you travel directly to Milwaukee from Pittsburgh? Is that your itinerary?

Yes, I'm headed out to thet shortly.

Okay, safe travels. He Adrianna Low and crun there yesterday her direct coverage of this assassination attempt, and of course, as Sunday beckons here across the nation, it is arresting former president. Of course, we haven't mentioned yet President Biden with his comments yesterday, and you have to believe, David that President Biden will have to finesse the message further here this morning.

Absolutely so.

As I mentioned at the top, he gave this written statement immediately after this he was attending mass and Rehoboth Beach shortly after that, had his first briefing from law enforcement, delivered this print statement, and then traveled to the Emergency Response building in Rehoboth where he gave those comments. And I'll read briefly from what he had to say. Everybody must condemn it. Everybody and effectively said there's no place

We welcome all of you across the nation in worldwide. A special edition of Bloomberg Surveynah's David Gura and Tom Keen and our studios in New York. Adrianna Lowenkrinn in Butler yesterday joining us moments ago. Jordan Fabian will join us from the White House here across these three hours this morning. A program note, and this is a credible commitment of Bloomberg Radio. I think I can say this

I don't think it changed very much. Tom, and good morning to you and David. Thank you for having me. I don't think it changed very much. You've got a situation here where the you know, the race has been remarkably stable, as everybody knows. But you know, look at what happened in the last month where you have, you know, with all this caterwauling about Biden with from Democrats and everything else, and yet the national two way beauty contest poll of polls barely moves from Trump plus one to

Terry, let me put a question to you that I put to Hadrian a moment ago, just in a different way, and that is, how do you see the Trump campaign reflecting on what's happening here? Of course people are still processing the events that took place yesterday in Butler, But do you see it as changing in any fundamental way or reshaping the message from from the Trump campaign?

Well, I don't see the I don't see the message and the policies changing, David, what I what I do. My instinct is this is that the you will see a continuation of the more presidential Trump that you saw in the first debate, in terms of how that's presented,

At our top live blog on the Bloomberg and on Bloomberg dot Com, an incredible comprehensive look at what's been happening here with contributions from our colleagues all over the world. The latest here a post on truth Social from Donald Trump indicating he does plan to speak at the convention

Well, you know, fundamentally, he has to show that he's ready to lead and that he's responsible.

You know, the.

Less rabble rousing, the better. I mean, as I think, I think, as you've just pointed out very well, the rabble rousing, incendiary reputation precedes him and to some extent exceeds him. I think he's got to show himself a little bit more presidential and kind of able to lead, you know, more serious. You know, you don't hide your leg under a bushel, but be a little bit more serious about what you're going to do, how you're going to do it, precisely, how you're going to drive things forward.

We're lucky to have Jordan Fabian with us now he's a White House correspondent for Bloomberg News. As we look ahead to that next briefing at ten thirty this morning, Jordan, get.

Us up to speed.

We've heard from the President now twice, once in print, another time in person. Do we expect to hear from him again today on this Sunday.

At the moment, there's nothing expected, But I wouldn't be surprised at a moment like this as the President came out to speak after he has that briefing you just mentioned, and we gather more information about what happened, the suspect and just the overall fought political moment we're in this country. You have leaders across the spectrum calling for civility to turn down the temperature. Wouldn't be surprised if the President had something to say about that, either today or on the coming days.

There was an admission at the end of that statement that the President delivered in Rohobop. She was asked, was this an assassination attempt? And he said he had an opinion, but he didn't have the facts. Walk us through how he is getting these facts. He has been surrounded by

Yeah, that's right. He's been briefed by his team of advisors, and as you mentioned, one of them is Live Show with Daniels. Homeland Security advisor was also Alejandro Maiorchis, who runs the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees Secret Service and the several others. And what they're doing is they're gathering information from the frontline law enforcement agencies who are working on this, so Secret Service and FBI and the

You're okay, you guys are the pros here, David Gerr and Jordan Fabian here, I get that there's going to be a seven year investigation and this and that, and you know, I was, actually, folks, I don't have the number yet of the distance from the shooter to mister Trump, but I was going to stand at the corner of Fifth Avenue in Central Park and see how far past the Apple store in past Bergdorf Goodman was at distance?

No, it's a great question, Tom, And there's clear questions about how the Secret Service, who prepares these sites apparently missed this.

Okay, but I get it that they missed it, and there's going to be a six year warrant commission on that. That deserves to be what happens in Milwaukee and Chicago, David, I mean, they have to be in a full scale panic.

You know, I don't know if it's a panic so much as just a complete reworking and reevaluation of what's happened here. And you know, your to your comment Tom about the proximity of where this shooter was, We're talking hundreds of yards and from all that we've seen a footage shot by those in the audience at this rally, uh, sort of interviews with standers by and those who were at the event afterward. This was incredibly closed. I mean, I think, Jordan, you can give us some insight into this.

Yeah, so former presidents usually have a smaller social security.

You and I both I tripped you up. I apologize, Yes, Oh good, hell.

You know the former president, though, I mean, he had a bigger one, given that, unlike other former presidents, he was traveling around the country doing political events, and now, of course is a nominee, so he did receive some more secret Service coverage recently, although there are lawmakers who want satisfied with that. But to Tom's question, there was some complaints about for Republican organizers in Milwaukee about this promenade that apparently exists near the main street near the

Jordan Fabian, thank you so much for starting early on a Sunday with us, no doubt, an exhausting day, a full day at the White House. Jordan Fabian, our White House corresponded, And again we say thank you to Hedron Alan Krinn in Pennsylvania, in Pittsburgh, south of Block for her coverage here early this morning.

And just when a flag times. She's written a wonderful and very evocative piece about being at that rally. As you said, we're not dwelling on what happened there and what we see in the video and the sound of that shooting, but she has written a first person piece about being in the audience for that and what happened in the aftermath. You can find that at Bloomberg dot com and on the terminal.

We are fortunate to continue with Terry Haynes a Pangaea policy. He has given us perspective over many months. Acourter even the best thing about Terry David as he sends donuts. Yeah, once in a while, it's the only reason we have him. Back on Terry, we need to get of an assassination attempt, back to some form of Caden's humor, the human comedy of America. How are we going to get back there? Terry?

Well, I'm not sure things are. It'll take a long time. You know, it took the echoes of President Kennedy's assassination potted lots and lots of people for years and and you know, even in the seventies there was a congressional investigation into the bullet theories and all the rest. I mean, it never truly went away for a decade plus, and the reverberations are going to continue, and frankly, I think made worse but made more constant by the twenty four

Terry, I want to ask you about Official Washington's response to this, and I think that probably you, like I, have been looking at tweets and posts and reactions to all of this, and one stood out to me in particular, and that's from the junior Senator from Ohio, from JD Vance, who not long after this tweeted out.

Today.

Is not some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist. That rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. An outlier comment, but there are others in that outlier camp. Again with the Junior Senator, and I note that we heard from House Speaker Mike Johnson that the House will conduct a full investigation of the tragic events today. You bring up what happened with John F.

Kennedy.

There was a period of time after that when the business of the country was figuring out what happened here and how it was going to carry on. Here you have some politicians already pushing ahead to what I can only assume will be rather circused, like hearings investigating this. I mean that hearing the House Committee on Oversting account Billy hearing scheduled on July the twenty second.

What do you make of that?

And as we talk, as Tom springs up through, how we process this and move away and move ahead from it? How do you do it when you have these kind of countervailing factors at play, Well, it makes.

It tougher, you know, there and then there's there. There is a there's such a reflex built into so many politicians of all stripes I should say. I mean, I you know, I find Senator Vance's comments over the top. But but then again, uh, you know, some of the things you say it says are demonstrable. I mean they're true, and you know the same of the other side. And I'm not engaging in what about it is You're to to point out that both sides are way over their skis.

During the time left, I want to talk about the president's constituency, the people President Trump's constituency, the people that were there yesterday. And I think that we all understand President Biden has an encyclopedic knowledge of eastern Pennsylvania, the path here and you and I talked I think forty eight hours ago. It seems about the seventeenth Congressional District, Connor Lamb's district, and how President Biden has lost those people.

Yeah, there's a everybody remembers the old James Carvel comment about you know there being the sort of four dots of blue and Pennsylvania surrounded by Alabama, Western Pennsylvania. What Western Pennsylvania is politically today is a donut. The doughnut is a little sea of blue. And then that that city is the city of Pittsburgh in a few immediate suburbs surrounded by an absolute sea of red. And these

Uh.

John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Scoop Jackson, Democrats who was spent the last two generations, be perfectly disappointed.

I'm going to you're fired up. We're gonna stay on this theme. David Gerra, he just hit my childhood from where you said, David Gerr, with all you've done in Washington, how did the Democrats lose? Butler, Pa, That's the heart of this election.

I'm going to appine here, and Terry, you should feel free to jump in and set me straight if I if I get this wrong. But I think that you had a large swath of this population that grew disillusioned with how they were being looked at and taken care

In Western Pa.

Yeah, David, I think you're I think you're I think you're right about that. I think also you've got two things going on. One, people are hugely disappointed and I think feel marginalized by how very little was done to try to reach out to them. You know, the Democratic outreach tends to be in that area, tends to be over the last thirty years or so, tends to be you know, banging on kind of the greatest hits of

Terry, I'd love to ask you lastly here just to comment on the historical resonance of this and maybe help us think through how this reshapes American politics broadly. When I was living in Washington, when i'd go up Connecticut Avenue, I'd look over at the Hilton there think about what happened in nineteen eighty one. It still seemed very resonant. It was a place on the map because of that, like other landmarks in Washington or I'm curious if you feel the same way and how you see what happened

You know, I'm with you on the history. You know, I'm like the kid in the sixth sense, where you know, I see dead people all the time. I live in Alexandria, Virginia, which used to brand itself the most historic town in the United States, home of George Washington, Robert Lee, others. And you know, I see it everywhere. I saw you

Terry, thank you for your generous time this Sunday morning. Terry Haynes appenzea folks writing exceptionally bright notes. You can see them out on linked in I really can't say enough about a follow on LinkedIn as being a value add from Terry Haynes a Pangaea. There's a blue here. David and I have decided we're really not going to go back and relive what we all were riveted by for five hours last night. We're going to look forward.

And it bears us thinking about these are two politicians who have a great deal of enmity toward each other on the campaign trail, and there was something extraordinary about that. Extraordinary in the sense that it hasn't happened before. Joe hasn't called Donald, and they haven't spoken by phone before. So this is a remarkable moment that took place, and you could see the gravity of it. As Joe Biden spoke in Delaware saying he tried to reach him. Donald

David Gurra and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance from our world headquarters in New York. Good conversation to come as we move forward. Professor Schuller Brown University on the scope in the reach of our history of assassination, an assassination attempt. We do that. Next, we'rend Bloomberg Radio worldwide and across the nation on a Sunday morning.

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Good morning everyone, Tom Keane with my special guest David ger Of course the big take out on Bloomberg Podcast, but so much more. David Gerry here today on this horrific Sunday morning after an assassination attempt, with this wonderful political coverage. All he's done for NBC and NPR, and we're thrilled to have them back with Bloomberg as well. David,

I'll pick up on what Terry said, and I was struck by the renaissance of his comments, residents of his comments, and he brought up the fact that what he said today is right in line with what he said after January sixth, and so he's calling for the rhetoric to be calmer and politicians to take a step back, wait a while to comment beyond just expressing their thanks to law enforcement and good wishes to the former president. But I think we have seen in recent weeks, as we

And this is thursdents Thursday night.

But they got to get from Tuesday. They got to get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and they've got the usual victims lined up the speech. Is anyone listening to those speeches anymore? I mean, Wendy Schiller remembers David Girl when we hung on every single word within the pageantry from where you sait, David, the pageantry's gone.

Right happened yesterday. There was a strong effort by the former president to make this must CTV. For lack of a better term, he hasn't named his vice presidential pick. And I think that that is the thing that most of America would have and will seize on now, is who that individual is going to be and what he or she has to say on the stage in Milwaukee, and.

This Sunday morning across America, on Bloomberg, on many of her other services as well, David Gerr and Tom Keene's special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance, which means we need a special guest. She is at Brown University. Wendy Schiller joins us a definitive book on American civics, a sense of history that folds into the present day, in our future,

Well, you know, I thought about that too. I thought about, of course Juanna Lagan as well. And I was grateful to see from President Trump emerged relatively okay, but he was in fact shot in the ear. And then the said of having attendees killed and injured is you know, really just brings us back exactly to these traumatic moments in American political life where we say, how could that happen?

And orderly, doctor Schuler.

I was in a diner in Brooklyn last night when this happened and looked up at the screen and saw those fifteen seconds being.

Replayed over and over again.

And I've got three kids eleven and younger watching it with me, and fielded a lot of difficult questions as a result of that. What happened, How did this happen? What does it mean? Is this politics? You teach the American presidency other classes to brown undergrads older than my kids, but I imagine they have similar questions. They haven't lived through this, They don't have a memory of nineteen eighty one. What do you say to younger people in this country

Well, I mean our obviously you know this too. Our political rhetoric has in fact declined. We have had periods of time when in the press people said horrible thing about politicians, going back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. It's not that that is new. It's that it's not just politicians, it's people and everyday voters, people sort of not having family conversations, you know, not associating with people

Is there optimism in Providence that this can change? I think to what was actually kind of a quaint moment just a couple of days ago, when you had this transition of power, peaceful transition of power in London. You heard from Rischie Sunak acknowledging political differences with the guy who defeated him, with Kiir Starmer, and a very generous speech from Kiers Starmer when he was named Prime Minister as well, And there was something again both quaint but

You know, you know, I was listening this morning about Joe Wilson. When Joe Wilson consonan in South Carolina, Have you lie?

Same?

From the State of the Union address that President.

Radwy Union you lie?

So I thought I was trying to sort of say, when did this happen? You know ten people on the left or people who don't like Trump say, well, Trump elevated the rhetoric and it's his fault, you know, his speech is his locker upper Hillary. But no, you know, we had this under Obama and it started to decline, and on the left and the right participates in this. I think it's become, unfortunately bipartisan. So it's not directly attributed just to Donald Trump in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.

On a Sunday morning at Professor Schiller and of course the heritage here of George Washington traveling up near your providence to Newport, Rhode Island, and the Jewish synagogue in the late eighteenth.

Century, the district synagogue.

The distance of this shot that missed the president wounding the vice former president wounding him is a distance from the Fifth Avenue Synagogue here in New York City, past Saint Thomas Fifth Avenue, the church of Norman Rockwell's painting, down to Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I mean, where with the Milwaukee Convention, the president at church are coming out of church when he learns of former President Trump's attempt at assassination.

Well, I mean, you know you're tell me you're really trying something to the breakdown of local communities. You know, you know it got exacerbated under COVID. But we used to see each other in contexts that were different than politics, work for example, church, synagogue, mosque, school, social gatherings. We used to interact with each other far more, you know, personally, and we don't anymore. And the ability to dehumanize. We've

Doctor Schuler, you're heading up the Watson Institute here for a few more months, Cather on an inn basis, deserve it sabbatical.

After that, I got a temporary raise. Yeah, very good, very good, Yeah for the next year.

But you're thinking a lot, I imagine, and talking a lot about international relations. And I was struck again following this news. How quickly and in what droves we heard from world leaders about this. Give me your perspective on how this is resonating around the world based on what we've read, what we've seen so far from world leaders. Obviously, there are opinions about the proliferation of guns in this country and violence and the rhetoric that we've been talking about.

Well, I think there's a general sense. I mean, we've seen, you know, a punch in the face or the shoulder. I think in Copenhagen, at the primes of Denmark, we've seen the assassination in other parts of the country attempted the world like we've seen in Latin America, we've seen in Eastern Europe. So we are seeing political violence all over the world elevate to people who like I'm going

Wendy Schuler, thank you so much. Professor Schiller at Brown University. I'm sure we'll hear from her as we progress to Milwaukee and Chicago as well. She has expertise on Capitol Hill and the legislative processes of the nation, but far more understands the pulse of the apparatus of our American politics forward. She's with Veda Partners. Henrietta, your thoughts when you learned of this in the vicinity of the six thirty hour yesterday evening.

Thank you so much for having me this morning. It was shocking, you know, what should have been a relatively quiet weekend going into a lot of fanfare and pomp and circumstances of the convention ended up being something that I would say, my first take way after being you know, just sort of shocked and awed by the entire event, and you know, thankful that everybody was safe, including the former president, was really just the inevitability of it. It

Talk more about that, if you would. I'm on the same page as you, and I wonder if that's because of the way this general election is being framed. We're hearing of it as a very pivotal election, of course, one where democracy is at stake, where there's the risk of authoritarianism. If you listen to the Democrats, if you listen to the Republicans, Donald Trump on that debate stage talking about the very real prospects as he sees them of World War three?

Is that?

Is it simply that discreetly or is it something that's more of a consequence of a kind of slow evolution toward of a messier and were fraud and more antagonistic brand of politics in this country.

I think you don't have to single either of those things out. I mean, they're both very valid. You can go back to January sixth, which is obviously something that you know, we saw and there were certainly deaths, but our main takeaway was, gosh, it could have been so much worse. I mean, how many senators and lawmakers to be here say that exact rephrase, you know, just expecting the worse and being grateful that it wasn't that more

This is brilliant. This is why we love having Henry Treson in the word. I thought of somewhat like the victim that Henriette's talking about. David Kerry is just this sense of grievance across America, in our markets, in our discussion of Bloomberg elites and the haves asset owners in America, there's almost a celebration of prosperity right now. And this is at the same time a nation, both parties feeling grievance.

Both parties feeling grievance. And Henriette, if I could, I'd love to go back to sort of your experience working on Capitol Hill. You've worked on the north side, in the south side, the House and the Senate, And in the hours since this attack, we have seen comments from

I think it's appropriate to hold hearings and you know, make sure that the safety of any of our elected officials is paramount. I fear for that all the time. I'm one of the kinds of people who really respects a lot of our elected officials that I want them to be safe so that more people will join the fray and we get better talent to join the ranks of the House and the Senate members. I think that

I've got to do reporting here now, Henrietta Trace. I want to ask a delicate question among our institutions of law enforcement in your Washington is a Secret Service respected?

I think January sixth called a lot of the Secret Service into question, you know, with the rally and with the licenses that have been granted. I think there's so much of that to go around, and I hope that they're able to answer a lot of questions this morning and in the days ahead, because they're going to get along.

David, your thoughts on that difficult question, You've lived it down. There Are they respected? Like you know, I think of CIA, FBI and the rest of the alphabet soup, I don't understand.

I think that they are.

I think that anyway is right that there have been questions about them, and certainly there's been some scandal within the department in these recent years. And you know, a person whose name has come up here in the last few hours is Kim Cheedle, who's the head of the Secret Service. And you had somebody like Elon Musk saying that she should step down, noting that she worked at PepsiCo.

Well, she spent.

Thirty years at the Secret Service before that. So I think there is going to be deserved scrutiny on the agency here in the in the weeks to come, weeks and months to come. But you know, I watching that video so many times, as we all did, because it played over and over again. One had to admire the integrity of those who work for that agency in moving quickly to surround the president get him off that stage

Tom, Henrietta, I want to talk about your Capitol Hill, and I guess we're not. We'll say, ask pure political questions now, But when you have Henrietta Treys.

In the phone, that's temptation to do so.

Percolating out there in the Gura zeitgeist is a Republican sweep? How do you interpret people claiming or predicting, or hoping or against a Republican sweep?

November fifth, Well, I think that the twenty twenty election is a lot closer than people remember. I think that it took a global pandemic to have Joe Biden win, and I think that right now the Democratic Party is

To stay in Well, the upside of it all. Henrietta Trace, thank you so much for joining us. Your perspective incredibly valued. She's like when we put her on the podcast Single Best Idea, I.

Mean it goes right, Single Best Podcast.

It's just like, you know, she's a star. Henrietta Trace, thank you so much. To show you how folks, the world's been turned upside down. Steve Kernaky over at NBC just announces they're going to delay their poll. They're not they were going to have a big fanfare today and announce that I Meet the Press. You will here Meet the Press. I'm Blue Olomberg Radio, along with all the talk shows. Arguably the most important day we've ever had

And reasonably so.

I mean, we're just left to wonder how this can reshape things and change the direction of this campaign. So we will watch closely, listen closely to all of those shows. I saw Senator Graham, Senator Sanders scheduled to be un Meet the Press, very interested to hear what they have to say about the political atmosphere and what this means for the culture of America going forward.

Our conversation this morning to all of you across the nation worldwide, is we're hoping a measured conversation about our American politics, our American violence in this assassination attempt. Part of that is people with perspective and experience. David, Girl, why don't you bring in our esteem. Rick Davis here, with all of his work with Senator McCain and with President Reagan years ago.

Had a familiar face on Bloomberg's balance of Powerstone we hear from many days of the week giving us perspective in real time on this campaign and politics in Washington. He's a partner at Rick Davis. We were talking about what this might mean for the politics the campaign going forward. We're going to spend some time with you here after the break, but in the minute that we have here, what does the former president need to say when he

I think going into yesterday, both sides had really hot rhetoric. It was divissive on both sides, Democrats and Republicans. Heat of the campaign, very close selection, do it out, and I think this is the moment for a pivot. I think, you know, Donald Trump can take the high ground, and it's been offered to him. It's a moment in historic time and it's going to be interesting to see how

Rick Davis, we're going to come back. I don't want to squeeze you too short here, mister Davis in Milwaukee, of course, all of his service to the Republican Party. It's going to be a piercing conversation. You're going to hear it. To get us to ninet thirty, we'll come back with Rick Davis. I don't know how you get from Milwaukee to Chicago. I mean, things, David Gerr have just been absolutely turned upside down.

Feels very day by day, and I just think of the circumstances that the Democratic Party is in, the current president is in after that disastrous debate, so many people saying the way to quell those anst move things forward, be out there more, take more questions, do more campaigning. He's now entering a period when the focus is going to shift squarely on the Republican Party as we moved to this convention in Milwaukee. He has this opportunity for

Lots to speak about here are Nancy Cook so experienced with Bloomberg. Writing in her headline this morning, she reports bloody defiant Trump's image pumps up Gop Bass after shooting, and of course all that having to do with their coverage in Milwaukee. Joe Matthew's scheduled to be with us here this morning, as well as David Gera mentioned Balance of Power headlining our coverage tomorrow in Milwaukee and tonight special coverage from five to seven pm worldwide on Bloomberg

This is Bloomberg Surveillance with Tom Keane and Paul Sweeney on Bloomberg Radio.

Good morning everyone, David and Tom Keena special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance from our road headquarters in New York. But we're utilizing all the resources of Bloomberg. A special thanks to Hedrianna Laurencren, who was in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. She is one of our newest freshly minted reporters. And you know, David, you think about you come out of University Pennsylvania. She

Yeah.

And I can't say enough good things about the strength of our coverage of the former president's campaign. Stephanie Laie also traveling with the former president, and of course Jennifer Jacobs, who no one knows that this former president better than she had contributed to our average as well. So incredibly strong to say. Adriana making her way from Western Pennsylvania now to Milwaukee as we are on the Sunday morning in.

Milwaukee, and I want to frame out who this guy is. If you are from Arizona, he's a household name, a major advisor to the politics of the gentleman from Arizona. No, not Bury Goldwater, but Senator John McCain and also his public service to the sea of Ronald Reagan. Do you recall the assassination tempt at the Hilton Hotel of President Reagan? Can you give us a vignette and anecdote of that horrific.

Afternoon as at the tom and we were assembled in a meeting actually right across from the White House in Lafayette Square, and somebody came in and said the President had been shot. Nobody knew what condition.

He was in.

We immediately, you know, turned on our television sets, and this was an era where we didn't have instant news, so there were special reports and we immediately went over to the old Executive Office building next to the west wind of the White House and met up with some of our colleagues. We knew all the advanced people and

Rick Davis, you bring up that resonance. I think a lot of us had the same thought yesterday, just about how we're talking about a matter of inches, if not centimeters here, and things could have been a world worse. But I think about what we learned about the aftermath of that attempt on Ronald Reagan's life and the moments of humor that took place in the emergency room when he kind of paraphrased Jack Dempsey and told his wife

Yeah, I think we look to our leaders to give us that kind of guy. And I think that's why we're in the place we're at, because it's been very easy for our national leadership whether it's the party out of power party in power to demagogue and and and create fear and govern that way. And I think Ron Reagan showed us the way. As you point out, he used humor to to kind of calm the situation. And I thought I was looking very intently at President Biden's

Right.

We've been very critical of President Biden for a lot of the things he's not been doing well lately, but in this case, he was empathetic, you know, even just the slight twist where he referred to Donald Trump as Donald. It was a nuance that I'm not sure he actually intended to do, but I think at that point, when he was standing talking to the American public trying to calm their fears, you know, he used a very colloquial address for the former president, I thought that was from

Yesterday, a whole different agenda.

I want to ask you about what I mentioned when we went to break just a few minutes ago, and that is, as you're saying, just a moment ago, you have you have present bind pulling those ads, scaling back the outreach that they're making to voters. There is this Marque interview that's going to take place tomorrow in Texas

Yeah, this is going to change everything for both sides. And I think it may anure to the benefit of the Democratic campaign because right now they're in a tail spin. The turmoil that has existed in the Biden campaign since the debate performance that was subpar at best, has really question whether or not they can even consider continue his candidacy. This will freeze everything. The combination of this incident, an assassination attempt on a former president, and the Republican Convention

Rick Davis, I have to ask this, it's a little bit off, but unfortunately I don't think it's off full disclosure, folks. My father was a life member of the NRA. He was someone who adored hunting and being out in the fields, and that Rick Davis, you grew up with twenty Mule Team, Ronald Reagan, and he loved to get on the horse and go through the thunder of California showing the West. You are intimately affected by an edge of purple strait Arizona,

You know, Tom, it's a really good question, and we ask this question every time there's a school shooting, but this.

Is different, as the school shootings are appalling, But you know, this changes the dialogue, I would respectfully suggest, I would hope.

So I've expected some kind of event that would finally force an open and honest discussion about the use of military grade weapons in society. And this is a riveting moment to have that conversation. Unfortunately, coming at the tail end of a Congress, at the end of an administration, and in the heat of a campaign, it's going to blunt that conversation. I can't imagine anything productive happening in Washington, d C. Right now, considering the state of our politics.

Rick, very quickly here you bring up your former boss, the late Senator John McCain, And I think there were a few people who warned about our deteriorating politics more and more forcefully than he did. When you look at what's happened since he was issuing those clarion calls about where things were headed, how dark things were likely to become. Do you see a missed opportunity? Was this kind of

Oh? Sure, in retrospect, you can always find moments that could have it could have been different, right, even at the start of the Biden presidency, he actually could have I've heard this many times. I thought it was brilliant. I think my friend Met Romney had said something about,

Rick Davis, thank you for decades of perspective, Rick Davis. Of course, with Joe Matthew and Kayley Lines in Milwaukee, speaking of what you get a short moment here with Joe Matthew and then we'll come back for extended comments with Joe Matthew. He is leading our coverage in Milwaukee. Joe Matthew, how did your cover VERD change last night six thirty?

Well, it's a great question here because it's still changing. I think that this twenty four hour period between the time those shots rang out and when we are on the air, and then another twenty four hours before the start of this convention, You're going to see a lot more changes, which is why I'm really urging people to not try to be in the business of predicting things.

Joe, we see that the former president deeed is going to Milwaukee, planning to give that speech on Thursday, but also saying that he's going to be a large presence throughout the proceedings over the course of the week.

Is that a change.

Did we expect to see him there as early? And what will you be watching for as these get underway? Tom making the very student observation a little while ago. Conventions have a lot of speakers. Some are more important than others, some more marquee than others, have more important things to say. Of course, we're waiting for the vice presidential pick as well. Do you get a sense this will be much more closely watched now as a result of.

This, Oh, it surely will be. This could be the most watched political convention in history when you consider the moment we were already in with Joe Biden. Now, this is an incredible moment, regardless of your politics. But you ask a great question. In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump kind of up ended the tradition of holding the nominee until the last night. You know, it's like you don't see the bride before the wedding. Here and Donald Trump came

So Matthew Howley, particularly the Republican Party away from the core constituency of President Trump, how do they move on in Milwaukee?

Well, my gosh, we haven't even started yet. So the idea of moving on from this is going to take a minute. Here, I just see a choice. This could go a couple of different ways. At some point, we'll see Donald Trump in front of a camera today. His demeanor is going to mean a lot. He's going to be cleaned up. He will probably be bandaged. Well, if here with members of the Secret Service, is that politically sound at this moment. Those are some of the questions

I remember that well, and remember how it contrasted what the Democrats had in Denver that year, which was a convention the likes of which we hadn't seen before, both in terms of scale and scope, filling up mile high

Yeah, it's interesting. It was the number of senators that kind of blew me away, considering the idea that this was such a controversial figure coming out of January six.

Almost a dozen of them, I think if I count.

Right, that is right. Of course a couple of them would like to be vice president. No big shockers there. I mean, look to see Dana White on stage is going to be bizarre, amber Rose, this is part of the job at a convention like this, But how will that list change? There's one name that was taken off

List, remarkable, Tom and the list is divided between entertainer's celebrities, industry leaders, members of Congress, then family. So it's Joe rightly mentioned that we've got Donald Trump, Junior, Eric Trump, Laura Trump, who's the co chair of the.

RNC, and Kim Bill to both of you, and David, let me go to you here, and it's just Joe and Jenny, She and Xanna waiting for us. David, that's always the case. This horrific event is happening. But I don't think anybody's consulted out President Trump needs to decide how President Trump will change Milwaukee period.

I think that that's the case.

And you know, we talked a little bit about the piece that Tim Alberta wrote for The Atlantic at the top of the show, really looking at this campaign, the kind of campaign that Donald Trump is running this time around,

Joe, We're gonna let you go and come back, but quickly here they're gonna move the perimeters in Milwaukee. Are you and your team coverage going to be pushed out to Whitefish Bay?

Look, it's a great we could be enveloped by the perimeters. That that's the one thing that we're waiting to find out because we were kind of on the edge of it right now. Bloomberg has a bit of a house set up here. So whether we're engulf or not, I will say it's probably a good time to not be in the perimeter because it's going to be harder to get in there than it is today.

It's like real world bounce of power.

Yeah.

Look, I've got a house that.

Kaylee Lines and Joe Matthew leading our coverage, and again Joel joined us here this morning in their special coverage tonight at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg Radio and Bloomberg Television as well. She has been patient. She is of Ionia University. Jenny, She and Zana joins us right now. Jennie, just to begin the coverage here, your thoughts on this horrific event of yesterday.

Well, you know, we are all so lucky that the president, the former president, is a close, Caul, that is that.

Was my I don't mean to interrupt you, but that was my first thought this morning when I woke up after no sleep tonight. Continue yeah, and me as.

Well, Tom, And you know how close he came. I mean, we are all so grateful for that. And I think the questions you were just all talking about with Joe are the ones that I have. How does this impact the convention? Certainly the program we accept now they will have a moment of silence for the victims of this shooting. These iconic photos which portray the former president as in a show of strength, I mean, the idea that he could stand up after being shot, put his fist in

I saw that tweet as well from the junior Senator of Ohio that rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. And we'll see here in the coming hours how widely that's embraced by other members of the

You know, I'm not sure it's going to change public opinions polling much. The anger that we are just talking about reflected by jd Vance, that is reflected in the base, and these are people who have supported and will continue to support the former president. They need to reach out to those a sort of Nikky Hayley voters, moderate independence, And the question is does this change anything for that small segment of the population. We haven't seen much movement

But if you look at history.

And you look at say, the shooting of President Reagan, just you know, months into his presidency, you did see a change in the public opinion support for the former president. Obviously very different time and circumstances, but he was a polarizing figure and his public opinion support increased after his shooting. So that is a possibility as well.

Jenny, thank you so much. We're out of time. It's way too short of visit with you. I've got about eight more questions, including the purpleness of some of these swing states, but we'll get much more from Jenny. She and Zeno of Iona College, a University. I should say in New Rochelle. She's a wonderful advisor to Bloomberg with perspective and through Milwaukee. In Chicago, David, what do you have?

We were talking with Joe just about security in Milwaukee, and Michael Wadley, who's the chairperson of the Republican National Committee, was on Fox News Sunday this morning asked about security at that convention. Didn't get into specifics, according to our colleagues who were following all the commentary on these shows this morning, but did say the GOP is working with

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Doug Mills capturing that photograph, and there was this pool of four or five photographers there at the base of the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania. You saw those photographers scramble to capture some truly iconic, disturbing and iconic images of the former president as he fell to the ground and was surrounded by members of the Secret Service. We're looking ahead to Milwaukee, but before we get there, we have

And David, before we get to Hedrona, she's in the airport in Pittsburgh and we'll capture her before she heads off to Milwaukee. The Sunday talk shows, of which Bloomberg Radio has been committed to well over a decade. We'll have four hours of the talk shows for you starting at eleven am here in fifty eight minutes about them. They are a settling point. I'm going to be blunt for the elites of America. You've lived it, you've done them.

And then Chicago, Well, having lived it, no night is longer than Saturday night going into one of these shows, particularly if news happens, and we haven't seen news like this obviously in some time. But I know that Margaret Brennan, the host to Face the Nation, has been candid about this with you on air.

As well.

The shows try their best to get the most salient comments from guests, the best guests that they can get for that Sunday morning, and we see that in terms of who's on them. We're talking just a moment ago about the chairman of the RNC was on Fox News Sunday talking about plans for Milwaukee. We know that Chris Coons, the Senator from Delaware, a close friend and confidante of President Joe Biden, is going to be on Meet the

In the mountains of western Pennsylvania and the Appalachia of Coal, which is David mentioned, used to be turned into steel a little bit still today, there is one lonely plateau and they decided to plan an airport on top of it. It's really challenging, to say the least pit is a Pittsburgh airport and there Heydrian Loewencren joins us right now of course with Bloomberg News, our White House correspondent. Hey, Joan, what you learned in the last hour, Well, well.

Thanks so much for having me on here. You know, again, as you mentioned when looking ahead to Milwaukee, we just received a memo from the Trump campaign that they were panting arms to come. And you know what's also you know that we're investigating is what will happen to future big outdoor events like this. How will these types of rallies continue? How will campaign and continue? You know, And as you mentioned, we have people up on guests, lawmakers, people in charge of the R and C on all

Tom Hendrian is hitting on something that I've thought a lot about, having read presidential memoirs before political memoirs, there is this very sobering moment if you're picked to be the vice presidential nominee. With that comes the immediate onslaught of having a security apparatus surround you, and with that, I think an awareness of the fact that you were doing something that could potentially have great personal peril. And of course that was in stark relief last night in

Donald Trump has right.

So, as you just mentioned, the rallies have been a huge part, and Trump thrives off of the audience there, but he is able to do more. First of all, of course, he already has the ID, the name recognition. This is something we were thinking about a while ago when all of the indictments came about and we weren't sure to what extent he would be locked in the courtroom. As we all know, in when he was in New York, he was able to have some smaller events, still pulling

Safe travels Hedrio on the Lauren kren.

The trade table, the plane and stow the trade table. She's got to get to Milwaukee.

Butler Pennsylvania, to Pittsburgh and on to Milwaukee, or she will assist in our coverts Joe Matthew and Kaylee Linzier look for their coverage tonight if five pm across all that we're doing. One of the great rules. And the first time I ever ran into this, folks, was in New Hampshire. I honestly can't remember if it was conquered.

Good friend of the show, friend of mine as well.

Nancy. Great to speak with you.

Yes, weaned it at Politico, raised here at Bloomberg where

To stay focused.

I think that what happened last night, which was terrifying and tragic, you know, just objectively, we'll focus him even more. He is going to head into the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, where I am right now, I think, with such a sense of purpose and such a clear message that you know his enemies are after him. This is going to turn him into even more of a movement figure.

Nancy, I want to ask you about five seconds in what happened yesterday, not when he was shot and when he fell to the floor, but what we were talking about with Jean Zay now, just just a moment ago. That is the moment he stands up and raises his fist and says fight to the crowd. There was an incredible wherewithal of that, an awareness of the fact that, look,

Absolutely, and the image that was taken of that moment with him with his sister rais above. There's blood streaming down his face, his right ear is bloody, and there's an American flag sort of waving behind him as he's surrounded by Secret Service agents is iconic now, and it's iconic sort of in the country. But you also saw a lot of senators yesterday and Republicans and all these people sharing it on social media and sort of more

What is his dynamic right now with the Republican middle in the grind of doing Bloomberg surveillance, Nancy. This has been a constant and theme the loyalists, as we saw in Butler, Pennsylvania. They're not going to budget, They're going to be completely engaged. But what is a relationship now versus four years ago of former President Trump with a Republican middle.

I think that the relationship between him and the Republican middle is still a little tricky. We have seen white suburban women, for instance, still not come back to support him, and so I think just politically, the gamble that they're trying to make for this election is you know, even if you can't get white suburban women, let's say, to vote for you, they are going after voters who typically do not vote Republican. They're going after younger black men,

Nancy Cook, thank you so much for the generous time today as you prepare for your work in Milwaukee. Nancy Cook, Senior National corresponded. It is a joint out a turn to Greg Valier of New Hampshire, understanding that he referred in Sacramento Ronald Reagan outside the Hilton Hotel. I would make a joke of James Garfield in eighteen eighty one, but that was just before you know that you were the only one before Greg. It is an American curse,

Change, Wow, this is a huge event for him. Tom Good to be with you, not under these circumstances but I do think that for Trump, this is going to be a defining moment. I think he has an opportunity to become an icon. The photo will become iconic. And you got to say, Donald Trump is the clear, clear favorite to win the election.

Greg picking up on that, and we've asked a number of folks about the secret to get your perspective on it as well. What does he have to say on Thursday? What would you like to hear him say on Thursday? How does he acknowledge what's happened? How does he move us the country forward?

I think he needs to lower the temperature, David, and he has been, ironically in the last few weeks lowered the been lowering the temperature a bit. So I think he needs to be magnanimous. He needs to tone it down, and if he does, he picks up that last group that he needs that you guys were just talking about, and that's the moderate centrist voters. I think he has a chance now to win them as well.

Tom asking about what happened in the seventies, those two attempts on Gerald Ford, which happened in pretty quick succession, there was a degree to which we were I won't say, we were inured to it, but this was a more regular thing. And then we've had this lapse, and we've talked about what happened to Steve Scalize, We've talked about what happened to Gabrielle Gifford's, but no targeting of presidents

Well, we can't relax. I mean, we still have to worry about these types of threats. I mean, I'm sure people have said this morning to you guys, you know, a quarter of an inch and we'd be having a totally different conversation. I think there's also going to have to be a really tough scrutiny of security around Trump. A lot of people saw this guy with a rifle and nobody took him out, and I think that's going to have to be explored.

I look, Greg Vellier at the scope of this, and I am wedded to the tradition that you and I grew up with. GIRs far too young to remember this, But essentially we have modern conventions that are constructed media events, to stagger to a film opportunity to run tape in October and into November. Did that equation change last yesterday yesterday evening a bit.

I have to say, just to reiterate, I think this makes Trump an iconic figure. The blood streaming down his face, the defiant fist clench. I mean, this is going to be the image that we'll see between now in November fifth and it, barring something extraordinary, some huge gas by Trump, He's going to win well.

And both of you weigh in here, David Ger, I'm going to go to you first of all. And there's people that have written speeches for presidents. Do you actually believe that Donald Trump as a speech writer or is he going to add lib this is only he can do.

I go back to what we were talking about with Nancy. I'm eager for Greg to jump in here as well. I just feel like, and my sense is from all that I've read and heard from Nancy and others, that this campaign is more professional than past campaigns that Donald Trump has waged. He has folks running it who are experienced, more than competent, and again very professional, and so to answer your question. Who knows how much he will add

Last two times.

Absolutely, David. I was just going to make the point that I think the campaign already was doing well before this incident yesterday. They had toned it down, they got a sharper edge, They have top people running the campaign, So he was the front runner clearly even before what happened yesterday.

I've had a number of these conversations Tom, with people who support the former president and don't talking about the debate. Yes, we focused a lot on the way that Joe Biden has comported himself during the course of that disastrous debate for him. And then there are people who don't like the former president and say, oh, but if he lied

Greg Valier, this seminal event here of the next forty eight hours is a vice president for is my recall a seventy eight year old wounded former president. I mean, I'm not going to you know, I don't need theater here of like how is the vice presidential choice? Change? But it's ever more important now after what we've witnessed.

Absolutely, the realities are stark right now. So I think he's got to pick somebody with experience, someone who can step in immediately. It almost has to be, in my mind, Marco Rubio. But I've been wrong before, I could be wrong again.

How could he do that with two people from Florida?

Rubio moves, Rubio gets a condo in DC or New York whatever that you know, don't forget Carl roaft Nook, who is the running the running mate.

That's okay, Greb. You're allowed to have brain freezes on Bloomber surveillance a daily basis.

Dick Cheney, I'm sorry, so Dick Cheney did the same thing. He changed his residency, and nobody said very much about it.

When you look at what the president former president is considering. And here's where I'll draw the contrast. We've talked a lot about this tweet from Jdvans last night, drawing this direct line to what he says is Joe Biden's rhetoric and what happened to Donald Trump last night. Does that affect this in any way, this person's approach to what happened yesterday, or you know, does this go beyond that?

Is?

Give us your sense, give us a great value, a sense of what Donald Trump wants, what Donald Trump needs in a running running mate this time.

I think if he wants to go for comfort, he ghosts for the North Dakota Senator Burgham. I think they get along very well. They're both on the same wavelength. But Burgham has no name recognition, and I think you've got to get somebody with the name recognition. Again, if you want somebody with a good background in geopolitics, for somebody who really knows how Washington works, Rubio is the logical choice.

What about Nikki Haley, Terry Haynes and others? Have said to us that this is a point. You know, if you say I'm more presidential, Donald Trump would be more political. You know, go back to Harold Stassen. You're the only ones, Greg, you and I are the only ones who know who Harold Statsen is. But is this a point where we see Trump? Haley?

No, you got to say Tom that she doesn't like him, he doesn't like her. They do not get along. I would be very surprised if she said yes, I don't. I've not heard anything about her being credited. That would be a big upset.

Greg Valier, thank you for the time. Allway's generous with us with AGF investments. Really the first morning note honest, David, Yeah.

Picking up on what we were just talking about there. I was down in Atlanta covering that debate, and there has been this very showman like aspect to this selection process, and so leading up to that debate and afterward when the surrogates flooded the floor of the spin room, Nikki Haley absent from all of that. But you did see Doug Burgham, you saw Tim Scott, you saw jd Vance

We are now going to turn to a difficult topic and we are going to do it respect for his public service to those of the Pentagon in the CIA. McK mulroy, I think I spoke to him in the last seventy two hours. Make I honestly can't remember all sorts of accolades here that you have done. But one of those acolloids is to actually hold a weapon in your hands and feel the pressure. I'm not talking about a twenty two or even some form of societal pistol.

So good to be with you, Tom and David after this horrible event. Essentially, an AR fifteen is the civilian equivalent to an M sixteen R M four, So the same weapons that are carried in the US military and the CIA. It's the same. It just has a few modifications, like it cannot shoot a three round verse, for example, but essentially you don't need that anyway. So it is designed to be incredibly accurate by people who quite frankly, are at the basic level of the army or the

This was a source of conversation at the dining room table last night, and what I said to one of the cherubs was you have to have a quiet when firing a rifle for accuracy, and most of us, including me, David Gera, and a twenty year old lost in western Pennsylvania, don't have that quiet. I mean, basically, the reason President Trump is live is because an amateur held a weapon, you were professional in am I close there?

It could be yes, it could be that. It could be that there was, you know, augusta wind that happened at the last second that I don't know, but the prone position which apparently he was in with that style of weapon in AAR fifteen, which is very accurate. I am assuming he had optics because they're almost everywhere now, But even with iron sights, it's not a difficult shot. So I think even a person who had never shot before, within a half a day of training could have made

Feet away from the stage there in Butler, Pennsylvania. And you're right in pointing out and make I mean, there's a lot we don't know here, a wide vacuum of information that presumably will be filled in the coming days, and were hearing that they'll be hearings with Secret Service leadership as well. Nick, I want to ask you about political violence and what this signals for you.

And we've talked a lot about.

Historical precedent here analogs throughout modern history, and how there was a relative calm at least when it comes to assassinations of for attempted assassinations of political figures. How do you see this changing that? What do you say to somebody who watches what's happened here and fears greatly that this itself may have been an isolated incidant, but what's been at play here could snowball further.

Well, I think it's safe to say there we're seeing a rise of both extremes, both on the far left and the far right, and not only a rise in violent rhetoric, but the capacity to do violence, so arming themselves both sides. A lot of these groups are looking for a reason, right They are looking for a cause to get behind to do things that would promote their political agenda as extreme as it is based on some kind of impetus. This could be an impetus. We don't

Let me pull a thread there, because I heard Juliet Kim at the Kennedy School on CNN yesterday talking about how in a situation like this, the motive is rarely clear cut. You look back on what happened with Reagan, for example, can you comment on that just sort of the work that will be undertaken here to find out what that motive is. Again, there's a lot of sort of basic investigative work that needs to happen here about

Sure, so I think there's two parts i'd highlight For that. One, people are going to use whatever they want for their reasoning behind why this individual did what they did. Social media is now everywhere in our adversaries see it and they just magnify it. So if somebody spreads the rumor that this person was, you know, a political opponent of president former president Trump and he did this for a little more, that's going to get out there pretty quick.

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David pivotal moment for this country. At this very moment, President Bien expected to meet with his law enforcement team homeland security team to get another briefing on that investigation.

That, Yeah, I guess it's going to be a one year, two year, three year thing, and we're going to learn that it's going to take more money to protect, whether it's those of our legislative branches and frankly at the state level as well. You wonder if there's going to be a budget sea change here, as frankly there was when Lincoln was assassinated in eighteen sixty five. To me, far more important is what do they do this afternoon

Yeah, and we know that the former president had a large Secret Service apparatus surrounding him, not as large as the current president. Just give them the fact that he's in the job and has a longer motorcade and more people in it and more vehicles, and it is well more security, But you know, what does it mean? And we've heard the calls in these recent hours for heightened security for Donald Trump, heightened security for RFK Junior as well.

Mick Malroy still with us? Mick, are you still there?

I just yeah, Dom, I'm okay.

I just you know, we're getting on in the show and I lose my bearings the interns. You know, the interns came in. I'd explain the interns. You're in the news business. Sunday's your New Monday. Mick Malroy again, thank you so much. With your military perspective. One of the shocks we have is a distance of this assassination attempt. Those of us of a certain vintage understand the distance is usually much shorter for our two presidents for President

So the short distance is you know, close up security, where there is both individuals that are obvious secret service you can see them with the sunglasses and the you know, the radio receiver in their ear. But there's also people that aren't obvious. They're wearing playing clothes. They're not necessarily somebody would expect your security because they have a different of the threats in the audience that that somebody who is obviously security wouldn't have. So you're going to have

Make David, this is important, no more outside events, just like it's stealing the process, it's stealing David Gura deck from us.

Yeah, and stealing what we know that Donald Trump likes to use as a real campaign tool. And MC, let me just ask you, as you looked at this event, fifteen thousand people in this field in western Pennsylvania.

You, of course, I'm sure, are aware.

Of what we heard from Donald Trump when he was the president about his attitude towards security. Remember well what he said on January the sixth that he didn't need metal detectors for those supporters who are going to show up on the National mall. How do you react just to the security challenges of an event like this in isolation, but also just a string of them.

I confess this.

I watched this yesterday. I thought, you know, how long was this in the works? How firm a grass did they have on how many people were going to turn out? I imagine doing security. Setting up a security plan and executing it for an event like this is difficult under any circumstances. But in a campaign where this is regular and happening regularly and might be planned with not a ton of events, notice, must complicate things all the more.

Absolutely so, I think It's important to point out just the effort that the Secret Service has to do to be able to protect both the presidential candidate and the president at the same time during the campaign season in a country that quite frankly is a wash with weapons. I mean, the AR fifteen is essentially ubiquitous across the United States, especially where I am in Montana. So this is a you know, and I'm talking the political aspects of gun ownership here, I'm just talking the cold hard

Yeah, that is valuable. McK morroy, thank you so much for the perspective earned in his public service to the nation in the military. David, that's the most sobering common I've heard of all this, And again it's what we've always done in surveillance over the years here at Bloomberg, is to talk to people who actually know what they're talking about. Yes, the Western gopre Genie she and you know, and all of her work and the turmoil of Northeastern Politics.

I continue to watch all of this unfold. We were talking about the importance of these Sunday shows today. Senator Lindsey Graham is on Meet the Press now, addressing some of what we've been discussing, says he plans to talk to the former president today. Talked a bit about the convention and what to expect, talked about the President's VP pick. He said, quote, today underscores why that's an important pick. He wants somebody that is ready on day one, that can help him win, that can help him.

Grow the map.

And then I was struck by this, Lindsey Graham nodding to his colleagues across the aisle for their good wishes, wishes of good health for the former president, saying quote, I think the Republican base at Doris President Trump, there is going to be a lot of love coming this way. But I'm glad to see my Democratic colleagues saying really good things. And you know, this is a moment where

We prepare across all of Bloomberg for Balance of Power tonight at five pm from Milwaukee, led by Kayleie Lines helping out as well Joe Matthew, and we're thrilled to Joe Matthew from Milwaukee as well. Joe, should we hear from President Trump today?

That's a great question. I think that it would probably not be a surprise if we did. Getting him in front of a camera coming down the stairs from that airplane last night was not a lot. They need to have some sort of presentation for people to get a sense of how he's fealing beyond a written statement here, so we're all waiting for this. We'll include a running mate announcement as he appeared today with his vice presidential pit.

Joe, I'm glad you go there, and we talked a bit about this with Henry T. Tree's a little earlier in the show. We're familiar with the reporting on the Secret Service.

In recent years. There have been scandals.

We think back on when Hillary Clinton went to South America. That an embarrassment I think more so than anything else, but of course raised concerns about her security while she was there. You, with your experience covering Washington from the anchor desk and around town as well, get us up to speed on the way that the Secret Service is regarded now. I think go back to something I was

That's true, and the internal scandals that you're referring to never manifested themselves like this to an actual security concern, if not a breach of protocol. And I don't want to say that that's what it was, but we need to find out. And it's more broadly part of a bias against federal law enforcement. Hear so much about supporting the police, and you're going to hear that every day this week in Milwaukee, But they're talking about your local police,

Could you describe for us you're newly there in Milwaukee. We were talking a little bit about the security perimeter, what it's like, what it's likely to be like. I think back on my recent trip to Atlanta, all of the security that I had to go through just to get to this arena where.

In fact, neither of the candidates was going to be.

We were in the Georgia Tech Basketball Arena, sitting around the concourse watching the debate unfold on the jumbo tron, but there was still an awful lot of security to get through, big gauntlet for us to run through. I can only imagine that before this happened, there were stages upon stages of security that were set up. What does it look like, what's your understanding of what's likely to change here as you move ahead to Milwaukee?

Well, all great questions, and some of this has yet to be announced. I'm in downtown Milwaukee right now, in an area where most major streets are closed, so you walk out of your hotel or the building that you're in and you just walk across the street without looking. It's a it's got a bit of a no man's landfeel to it here, and there are massive barriers like the type that you would see surrounding the Supreme Court or Capitol Hill that are snaking all throughout the city.

Here.

There are a lot of places you simply can't go. I tried to get a coffee this morning and had to have a security guard actually open the gates for me to get out of the block. That's going to get worse. And look look at the past couple of conventions here, you had to walk a couple of miles to get in airport style security. It's really difficult, and this one's going to be hard, apparently what we've seen before.

Tell us about the five o'clock show tonight, I mean, everything's been turned upside down, and you know you will have great balance of power conversation. But I mean, people are flying in right now. They're supposed to be down, and you know, I'm going to go, David to the convention. Not that you'd know anything about this, but you know, you get to a convention, you go to the bar. I mean, that's what the people do. How do you go to the bar in Milwaukee, Joe Matthew, there's what

Well, I can tell you they were still at the bar last night. It was just a very, very different feeling and it was pretty remarkable. I was out with Rick Davis and one of our producers. We got it late. We talked on the radio for a while, we went out to dinner even later. The restaurants were packed. Town is full. You can't get a hotel room. But there was not a celebration inside the restaurant. It's somber, and as I said earlier, there is genuinely a dark ceiling

And then David Girl, bring that over to Chicago, I would suggest, you know, it seems a million months away, but it's not. It's you know, two cups of coffee away.

And it's true.

Well, we'll have Joe Matthew there and Kaylely lines in Amory Horden and arrest. But David Girl, I'm sorry, there's a dark cloud over Chicago in August as.

Well, and it has been over Chicago for a couple of weeks now. I think after that debate there was a lot of a lot of uncertainty about how those those events would proceed. And Joe jump in here in just a sect, but I mean, I think that there, as I've said this morning, there's a fragility.

To that convention.

I think that the sort of events leading to that fragility might get a little les attention now in the coming days because the focus shifts so squarely to the Republicans. But with what happened in Atlanta, with how President Biden has comported himself since We've got this interview tomorrow with Lester Holt We'll see how that advances this story. I think uncertainly is the word that I keep reaching for here. Joe correct me if I'm wrong. We don't know how fragile,

No, they're building. And there's a real question about what happens to Bloomberg's reporting here. And I don't know that anyone has matched it about advancing the nominating process to July twenty first, when as a virtual meeting of DMC officialcy idea is to lock this down earlier than August so he could get on the ballot, both in Ohio, which they seem to have solved, but also just to quiet this whole conversation. I don't know how they could pull that off now. I don't know exactly how Joe

Jack Matthew, Joe Matthew, thank you so much for the time this morning, getting ready for his coverage at five pm tonight, Joe Matthew and Kaylie Lyones bats a power at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg. This next guest, as we come up here to the end of our coverage this morning, David Gerr and Tom Keen a special edition

Yes you're not.

And Jack Divine, I want to take this from your reality of CIA employment over decades, thirty two year veteran of a central intelligence agency to the Hollywood and affected attitude of people like me that our domestic intelligence services should know about the people like this shooter and the attempted assassination of a former president. The movies make it sound like there's all sorts of fancy intelligence to know who these people are. But we're blind, aren't we.

Yeah, that's a tough question, Tom. Frankly, it's a needle in a haystack operation. There's a lot goes on ahead of time, they find people, but here you have a loaner. I mean there's no record, there's no record of them, there's no there's nothing to get a handle on, and their operation may take place in a matter of a day or two, right, So I think it's unrealistic. Where the intelligence community is really good is finding when states do it, when governments are trying to do it or plan,

There, Jack, I want to get your perspective on the magnitude of this event. This event as a turning point, and as we heard from Joe Matthew a moment ago, Christopher Ray, the FBI Director, has warned of the threat of domestic terrorism for so long. Now we're all aware of how heated the rhetoric has become in American politics today. Several of our guests on the show this morning have spoken in very candid terms about how they felt that

You would like to think so, but let me be frank. I mean, I'm not optimistic about that. One of the first things I struck me was what about a copycat? And then I sat and thought about it. Yes, there's some people out that were like the fame, like fame and so on, But I think what we have is a much larger group of potential threats from people that are just so angry, you know, so they have mental issues, but they're so angry they strike out. So I think

Where'd you grow up? Jack Divine?

Where did I grow You're going to pick out my accent southwest Philadelphia?

Southwest Philia. I thought so. And what's important here is the distinction of urban Philadelphia with the hinterlands west of Altoona in Pennsylvania. You're a grizzled, internationally known expert on intelligence and the violence of intelligence. How do you look at our rural ha geography almost of guns? How do you look at the idea that a kid should have? But what's it called? David? An air? A kid has

I mean, this is a national issue about you in the Second Amendment. Personally, I don't have a gun. That's how I feel about it. They're dangerous, you know, they're dangerous in household. I understand why there's the Second amend I support those that are interested in hunting. I am of the view that the weapons of this nature should not be available. People should be registered. But the bigger problem, tom is the mental health problem. And you know that

Thank you Jeck Divine with us his best selling book, Good Hunting, an American Spymaster's Story was Riveting a good ten years ago. Here we continue our coverage at Bloomberg News through the day. David Ger and I will pause here and we thank all of our team here at Bloomberg surveillance for helping out today and really through the night tirelessly working on this good conversation. You have a tough job, David. You have to take the big take

Communday, Well, rest assured, we'll do that, and we'll try to get everyone the latest information that we have about the investigation into what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. But also I think we'll hit it some of the themes that we've been touching on over the course of these three hours. Tom, principally what this means for our cultural fabric in this country as we look ahead till Milwaukee's convention, and I look forward to Joe Matthews cover with Kaylee Lines this evening,

And is I believe you said within the blur of our three hours in what you said, is every speech you think of the rehearsal, of the canned nature of a modern convention. Full disclosure, folks, I hate the can nature of a modern convention. But every speech now will be rewritten. There's just plain and simple.

We know you as somebody who likes to famously rip up a script, and I think that we're seeing that happen now in preparation for that convention in Milwaukee. As Joe Matthew is saying, the last time around, Donald Trump was foregoing the common procedure previously, which was not to appear until the last night of the convention. He wanted to be there every night. And so I think in the coming hours we're going to see when we'll see Donald Trump, Will it be daily at this convention? When

A story beneath the headlines today, Greg Courtier, how attacks on presidents and candidates have shaped US history. Will continue to see the shaping of this modern history, and you'll see that tonight at five pm. Joe Matthew and Kaylee Lane's leading our coverage from Milwaukee. Many more as there as well. Nancy Cook is there among others with Bloomberg News.