Sound On: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v. Wade

all at one time. How I love that stuff and I love myself some James Madison. But when you're talking about issues on the ground in reality Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The draft opinion was the opinion as the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics on an historic day in America, as the High Court rescinds the constitutional

right to an abortion. We'll be hearing from some of the smartest minds from politics, six and law over the next hour with Bloomberg's June Grosso, the host of Bloomberg Law, Michael Dorff, constitutional law expert and Cornell Law School professor, and analysis from the signature sound on panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are both with us. Later we'll discuss the way forward on Capitol Hill if there is one with Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins, who has

been there throughout this day. We've lined up some important insights for you, and it has been quite a day here in the nation's capital. As the ruling didn't come as a surprise necessarily after the leak, but a lot of us still had to look twice when the headline crossed the terminal Supreme Court overturns Row. There it is and historic ruling, as Gregg Store writes for Bloomberg, likely to render the procedure largely illegal in half the country

and further polarized a deeply divided nation. Having spent the better part of six hours in front of the Supreme Court today, I can personally tell you that division was on display, and we saw it politically as well from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. President Biden, the health and life of women in this nation are now at risk. As chairman and ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, as Vice President, now as President United States. I've studied

this case carefully. I've over seen more Supreme Court confirmations than anyone today where this case was always discussed. I believe Roe v. Wade was a correct decision. He called it a sad day for the Court, in a sad day for America, and urged people to vote more Democrats into office so the right can be restored, if I can use that term legislatively. The other side of the coin and the aisle from Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader in the House expected to be speaker should the Republican

Party take the majority. He was there to celebrate, you know, today's Supreme Court decision and Dobbs is the most important pro life ruling American history. By a vote of six to three, the Court affirmed that the power to protect unborn life is returned to the people and their elected representatives. The people have won a victory, The right to life has been vindicated. The voiceless will finally have a voice.

And here, of course, on Bloomberg Sound on, we seek context, perspective, and a sense of understanding here from both sides of this very sensitive issue. When we're gonna do that over the next hour beginning with June Grosso, our colleague at Bloomberg Law, the host of Bloomberg Law and Bloomberg Radio, June, it's great to have you. We knew this ruling was coming for the most part after that leak. Were you amazed at how similar the final version was. I wasn't

only amazed at how similar the final version was. I was still shocked even though we knew it was coming, because when you see it written right in front of you, as you mentioned on the terminal, when you see it written there and you realize that it happened where there was always a little hope that maybe something would happen.

Justice Roberts would pull a rabbit out of a hat and something would happen so that we wouldn't have this endpoint of doing away with Roe v. Wade and a constitutional right to abortion which women have enjoyed for nearly half a century. Yeah, of course, a lot of people think who wanted this to happen and fought for it? I thought he did pull a rabbit out of his hat today, so to speak. Interesting though that this was this was not exactly six three as as he didn't

rule entirely with the majority right. Justice Roberts agreed the case was the Mississippi case and the Mississippi ban on abortion. After fifteen weeks, Justice Roberts rule with the majority in that instance, but he was it was a concurrence. He said he would not have gone as far as the majority did. He would not have overturned o v. Wade. And we know that he's an incrementalist. We know that he likes to do things in bits and pieces, which

is why I think this. When the draft came down, it's surprised so many people because they expected that Justice Roberts would still have his way and they would incrementally move along. But you're right. You know, abortion opponents have been working on this since Roe v. Wade was first announced decided, So uh, you know, they've been working, and I think abortion rights activists have been not expecting this until the draft came out, not expecting this to happen

so soon. I'm sure you have a great conversation lined up for Bloomberg Law tonight, ten pm, Washington Time, Wall Street Time, June Grass. So I'm glad you could talk to us on an historic day and it's a conversation that I'm I'm sure you, and I will continue as we bring in Michael Dorff, a constitutional law voice Cornell Law School professor. Michael, it's great to have you with us here. There are so many questions that we have, UH in terms of what this is going to mean

for the makeup of the nation. So many states had these trigger laws. I believe it was more than a dozen thirteen trigger laws, but also sixteen states have protections already in place. They started passing these laws on the state level as some of these justices were confirmed during the Trump administration. Do you have a long view, Michael, of what the country is gonna look like once all

of the dust settles here? For instance, Virginia, the governor Virginia, youcan is going to seek a fifteen week abortion law in the state. Do you have a sense of where this is going? I think in the short term we will see a patchwork UH states like Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, states that have UH strongly anti abortion legislatures and governors will either enact or start to enforce existing laws. UH. States like New York, California, most of the New England

states will continue to keep abortion legal. There will during that period likely be efforts by pro choice groups to make abortion available via travel from states that forbid most or nearly all abortions to states were abortion is more

readily available. And that actually calls to mind one of the interesting points in a concurrence by Justice Kavanaugh in the case, in which he says that he thinks, UH, it's not directly at issue in this case, but he wants to assure people that to travel, UH, there is a right to travel. That's right, that is a constitution guarantees it right to interstate travel. So that UH, states like Missouri and Oklahoma which had efforts to ban travel to other states to have an abortion, so that they

won't be able to do that. Now it remains to be seen whether uh, there would be five votes to strike down such a law forbidding interstate travel to have an abortion. But that's at least raises the possibility that women who have the wherewithal because weave their home state if it forbids abortion, will be able to do so. And if you live in Texas, that's going to be

a four or five mile trip. But and before you move on, it's important that you brought that up, Michael, because the President did as well, and he seemed very concerned about it and said that he would you know, he wouldn't allow anyone to stand in the way of women's right to travel. That that doesn't say a lot about the Democrats hopes to turn this around anytime soon, right,

that's right. I think that one possibility theory, of course, is that Congress could pass a law using its power to regulate interstate commerce, which is broad and includes the provision of medical services like abortion, that would preempt state laws for bedding abortion. So a federal codification, if you will, of the pre doobs right to abortion is at least

a possibility. The difficulty is that that would take UH sixty votes in the it to overcome a filibuster or uh one of the two Democratic senators who have made clear that they don't want to change the filibuster, Joe Manchin and Christian Cinema would have to both change their

mind to that, and that seems unlikely. I think it's more it's actually more likely if there is to be national legislation, that the next time we have a Republican Congress and a Republican president, we might see a national abortion ban, in which case abortion would be illegal, not just in those states that forbid it, but throughout everywhere, in states like New York, California. We have so much

to figure out here. The President and Speaker Pelosi have suggested that this opens the door could set precedent to overturn other rights, same sex marriage, contraception even UH. Is that an extreme view, Michael, or is that in fact possible? Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a concurrence in the case saying

that he would like to do exactly that. He's as that the UH constitutional rubric under which the Court had recognized the right to abortion, what is sometimes called substantive due process, should be abandoned across the board, and he singled out law the court's rulings that protected a right to same sex sexual relations, to same sex marriage, to contraception. UH. He left open the possibility that, in his view, those rights might be protected under some other provisions. That seems

very unlikely, I should say. Justice Alito, in his majority opinion, says that you don't need to worry about that. He doesn't intend to do that. That that that's different. But as the dissenters point out, and as I think the logic of justice Thomas's concurrence says it's not clear that he'll hold that line. So I think there will be a concerted effort at least to bring to the court cases that provide the possibility of overturning those other rights. If I had to bet, I would say they won't

do it. But it's not because it doesn't follow logically from the open. But it's not a false conversation for us to have right now. Though, Um, last minute here, Michael, I really appreciate your expertise. We as we hear from Democrats about moving forward with legislation, how would that look? We we understand that this could be tied up in court. What is the legislative answer to this if Democrats had

the numbers. Well, of course, at the state level, it's already the abortion right is already protected for the moment states right. So Congress would have to pass the law, as I said, it would have to. This is not a budget bill, so it can't be done through the so called reconciliation process that only the president's right elect more Democrats. That's right, Well, you'd have to elect a lot more Democrats, which is very difficult to do given

the math of the Senate, which it's not gonna happen. Michael, thank you so much for being with us on Bloomberg Radio. Sound on continues as we assemble the panel, Rick and Genie Way and next, I'm Joe Matthew. This Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sond On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. We heard from Donald Trump. Of course, following the ruling,

he did issue a statement. He says, today's decision, which was the biggest win for life and a generation, along with other decisions that have been announced recently, We're only made possible because I delivered everything as promised, including nominating and getting three highly respected and strong constitutionalists confirmed the U. S. Supreme Court. He says, it was my great honor to do so. Exclamation points. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House,

kind of said the same thing. Because of Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, and the Republican Party their super majority in the Supreme Court, American women today have less freedom than their mothers. The Congress will continue to act to overcome this extremism and extremism and protect American people. Let's assemble the panel. We didn't know we'd be talking about this today. We thought it might happen. A lot of folks saw

it coming next week. Other way. Jennie Chanzano and Rick Davis are here the two people we want to hear from now Bloomberg Politics contributors and of course our signature panel on sound on. Let me have a genie, it actually happened. The draft was the final version. Nancy Pelosi seems to think that there is a legislative answer to this, but Democrats don't have the numbers, do they. They do not. Um you know, I have to say I agree with June. You know, even though we saw this coming and the draft,

this very much echoes the draft. It is startling to see it in black and white because what the majority did is they literally rolled back a right that women have enjoyed for half a century. And it's not just that, as if that wasn't enough. But as I've read now a couple of times the majority decision, it is the tone of this decision and the approach. By my count, he uses the term on born human being about eleven times. This is a marked change from talk about a right

to privacy and the right to choose. So this is a very different sort of approach to reading the Constitution than we've seen in our lifetimes. Well, what does it mean for Democrats on the campaign, triol Genie. I know that that's the kind of the next place everybody looks. Is this going to be the mobilizing elements that changes the game in Washington in November? I don't know that it's going to change the game. We heard Joe Biden,

we heard Nancy Plose. You know, they're saying that Roe is on the ballot, you need to make your voices heard in November. But I don't know that it is going to change much visa v. Washington. I do think it is going to be a really big impact at the state level. You know, we're looking at gubernatorial races, legislative races were quite frankly, Republicans have been doing very very well. They control about three quarters of the state

legislatures and governorships in this country. Um, and so this may have a much bigger impact there because quite frankly, as you were just discussing uh with Michael, there's there's no chance that Democrats have the number in the Senate they need to get something like a national law pass. So this is going to be a state a state fight, Rick Davis. Republicans in Washington have been largely silent on

this issue. Uh, knowing that inflation, the economy, and other issues that we tend to talk about every day here on this program are likely to be on voters minds when they vote in November. Is that the right attack? Yeah? I think that you've you've you've got the right perspective on this. I mean, the Republicans are going into this election cycle just less than six months away, with the wind at their backs. And the wind is the dismal management of the economy by the Biden administration. And so

why change the topic, right? Why why get off into a social war around issues like abortion and guns? Frankly that we had last week in order to draw a distraction away from the number one issue in most households is inflation. And if your Republicans are on the off, can you not assume that Democrats could have a much

higher turnout because of this or is that not foregone? Well, they have You can only turn out the vote you have, right, And so the problem that Democrats have is they have a turnout issue, they have less intensity and most of the surveys. So they've got to try and figure out how to get their voters excited, and of course that this abortion ruling may do that, but that's only those voters who are going to side with them on the

abortion issue. If you have lost faith in the Democratic Party because of inflation, you're and you've made a decision at this point, or you're leaning towards voting for Republicans because of that, you may not be distracted by the abortion issue to turn around and drop your focus on economy in order to be lockstep with Democrats on abortion. We're going to see a lot of polling on this obviously,

Uh Democrats, you can see the path year. Will Republicans be rewarded somehow for closing the deal on this, for finishing the job? Jennie, You know, I do think with their base absolutely, they have made a concerted for over fifty years to make this happen, and that was the culmination of what we saw with this decision today. But I think there are so many unknowns as it pertains to the politics around this. And just as an example, there is an economic impact of this decision on people,

a very visceral impact. There's a visceral impact on companies, many of whom have already spoken out about helping their employees get the necessary health care they need. And let's not forget in twenty eighteen it was the issue of health care that helped Democrats do better than we thought they would do. It's a very different year in two arguably, but this again allows Democrats to raise the case that this issue of health care is on the ballot once again.

These are deeply personal issues, I would argue as personal as issues of inflation and the economy. So I just think we don't know where this is going to land politically, particularly since we now have as of today, some Americans living in a state where they enjoy right and others that have been completely cut off. And that impact is wider than women. It's impacted men and and so many people. And certainly some people support this, but there's also a large segment who are not as keen on the idea

that they have been shut off from this right. Yeah, how to Democrats keep it in the air? Ic quickly? Here? November is aways off. Still, Well, they're going to have to have their leaders like the President, the Speaker and the Majority leader and Senate talking about it, which of course takes time away from their efforts to try and reform the economy. Boy, isn't that right soon? Because we needed more distractions in Washington, Rick and Jenior with us

for the hour. We're gonna bring in Emily Wilkins next from Bloomberg Government to figure more on democrats plans in Congress after the ruling today. This is Bloomberg. It was quite a day, it has been. It goes on by the way in Washington, d C. As thousands of people turned up upon this ruling in front of the Supreme Court. This went on for hours and it still pops up from time to time as the crowd gets worked up

one way or the other. If you listen here, pro life and pro choice protesters, and they were standing across the street from each other in many cases shoulders or shoulder in the heat of the summer sun in Washington for hours. Hundreds showed up actually before the ruling, which was remarkable knowing that well, we didn't know the ruling was coming. A lot of people thought it might be Monday. We didn't know what case would be released today. And they're still out there now as we look at a

live view of that crowd is not getting smaller. Massive barriers set up around the Supreme Court following the leak that's still there, and they've got bike racks set up going all the way around that side of Capitol Hill, where we catch up with Emily Wilkins Bloomberg, government Congress reporter and of course a friend of the family here on Bloomberg. Sound on Emily. It's been a long day. We've heard from Kevin McCarthy and from Nancy Pelosi. You

cover the leadership on Capitol Hill. What are we gonna see on both sides of the aisle as a response to this? So I think what you're seeing today, of course, is a lot of emotion from both sides. You had Speaker Pelosi, Um, you know, usually she walks the podium says good morning, and this morning she walked into the podium and said she couldn't say good morning because it

wasn't one. Meanwhile, Republicans rallied and forced They had a huge press conference, a lot of them behind Kevin McCarthy, um, you know, saying that the Claires declaimed this is a victory, but that this was also only the start that Republicans they want to be able to do more. Um. They noted that they there has been support in the past for a bill that would ban abortions after twenty weeks. Now Republicans say that they would be supportive of a

bill that would ban abortions after fifteen weeks. And you heard McCarthy voices support for that. Certainly in a scenario, in a likely scenario that the Republicans do win Congress in November, this could certainly be a piece of legislation that we see past. Of of course, uh, probably wouldn't make it passed the Senate regardless of who's in charge,

because of the filibuster, and wouldn't make it passed Biden signature. Um. But it kind of shows you what the Republican Party is thinking right now as far as next steps about the Democratic Party, Democrats don't have the votes to do much here right Emily, they don't. And the other thing is when I talked with a lot of Democrats today

is saying what can you do next? You know, it's mostly speaking with those in the House, um, And they their message was really, you know, we we can't do much that they've already passed legislation to codify Road versus Wade, and it's now in the Senate. We had a number of UM lawmakers where I spoke with Congressman David Ceiline who said, you know, they need to end the filibuster

in the Senate. Uh. Spoke with another lawmakers today who said, they need to make sure that Democrats add two more senators to their roster after November, UM, so they can overturn the filibuster. But let's let's be real here, Joe, A lot of those possibilities, it's not clear that there's a support. It's it's there's not like a concrete path to really get there, particularly given Biden's low poll numbers and the fact that historically, uh, this is set up

to be a better year for Republicans than Democrats. Yeah, pretty incredible following the House today passing that gun safety legislation that that also was you know, a first and thirty years we're talking about this ruling being turning over the history of the last fifty years here. Well, Republicans, then, Emily, if I understand you right, start preemptively preparing that legislation should they have the majority in the fall. UM the

legislation on the the abortions that fifteen weeks. Yeah, I mean, there's already been discussioned about that. There are already bills written up that have been introduced in the past. It can easily be tweaked and changed. I mean, for Republicans, abortion is no longer you know. Yes, this is a day that they count as a victory and that many of them are celebrating, but they still see it as more needs to be done. That a lot of them don't want to simply say we're going to leave it

to the states. Um. For many of them, it's it's a very personal issue. It's an issue that ties back to their religious beliefs and the beliefs um of a number of of their really strong UH base of the Republican Party, and so they do see a need to do more there. You cover the capital every day, Emily. You're in that complex every day. I spent a long time there today in front of the Supreme Court and Capitol. Police were there in massive numbers. At one point, some

busses rolled up. In my goodness, I couldn't count how many, uh there were, how many dozens of police officers there were in reflector vests. We know that the barriers up around the court. Uh, there are smaller barriers like I described as bike racks around that side of the capital. But are we going to see a massive uptick insecurity here following not only this but the January six hearings as well. I mean, this is what the Capitol Police as well as the DC Police, they were preparing for. That.

They didn't know if the ruling was going to come on Friday or Monday or Wednesday, but they knew that they had to be ready when it did happen because they did anticipate the protests that we are seeing at the Supreme Court. You're also seeing, um, even some businesses downtown. I've I've seen photos circulating on social media of them serves preparing, you know, potentially for protests over the weekend and in the coming weeks. Yeah, there could be uh

supply would going up around here. Emily, thank you so much. I know you've had a busy day and I appreciate your insights. We wanted to make sure we heard from Emily Wilkins at Bloomberg Government because she covers Congress every day, as you just heard, having a good sense of this, we're getting some news here. First of all breaking news

from uh the Attorney General Eric Schmidt of Missouri. Following the Scotus ruling, he tweets, Missouri has just become the first in the country to effectively end abortion with our a g opinion signed moments ago, an image of him putting pen to paper what he calls a monumental day for the same city of life. We can just also add now Arkansas trigger band certified. This is coming before me as we speak. Abortion now banned in Arkansas. Certification came just hours as I read, after the U. S.

Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. This is happening before our eyes in real time. That's why you're with us here on the fastest hour in politics. We will reassemble the panel next and get more into this along with the security aspect, with some very real concerns about what might happen in the Capitol tonight and over the weekend. Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are back in next Bloomberg Politics contributors will check traffic and markets for you too,

because this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The response was pretty immediate following the rule. It happened at ten ten a m. Washington time. That's when we learned that the Supreme Court had ruled to overturn Roe v. Wade. The President spoke from the White House a short time later. Today, the Supreme Court the United States expressly took away the conscious of right from the American people that has already recognized.

They didn't limit it, they simply took it away. It's never been done to write so important to so many Americans, but they did it. It's a sad day for the Court and for the country. Republican House Leader Kevin McCarthy and the truth is, pro life Americans are not planning a night of rage. So you're at the reaction to this principal decision by the Court. It must be peaceful and the d o J must step up to protect our justices, their families, churches, and pro life pregnancy centers

from unprovoked violence. Speaking with other members of the Republican leadership in the House, that pretty much gives you the story. As these politicians represent both sides of the argument. We reassemble our panel on sound on Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are with us Rick. There is a concern, apparently within Donald Trump's sphere that this actually might be bad for Republicans. An interesting story in the New York Times.

The man most responsible for ending Row worries that it could hurt is his party, apparently telling people privately that he he could see this angering suburban women, a group who helped to tilt the race to President Biden. He referred to the Texas abortion law as so stupid that they allowed citizens to file lawsuits against people who enabled abortions. Is he right about this? Well, every now and then a hog can find an acorn if they're blind, So um, yeah,

I think he's got a point, right. We've seen it in survey data that this will cross pressure certain constituencies within the Republican Party and within the swing community, in other words, people who aren't self identified as RS and d's. We tend to talk too much about polarization because there's a wide swath of Americans who aren't associating with either party right now, and they're upper grams, and this is one of the issues that tends to make them, uh

go one way or another. And so sure, some of these state laws could get pretty doctor naire like the Texas law, and and that could turn off suburban voters or all kinds of different voters. I would say the constituencies around uh, abortion in the road decision have been really firmly fixed, you know, for nearly five decades and and and not much in the polling data has changed in that period of time. Sadly, I've been reading polls for almost that same length of time, and and you

haven't seen a lot of gravitational pull. Um, you know, you kind of set that that that dinner service at the time of row and and and American politics has worked around that ever since then, angering suburban women. This is a demographic genie that well you know about because it helps to decide presidential elections every four years. Now, how is this going to cut within suburban women? As Donald Trump? Right, you know it could and and this

is um, you know, a big I think question marks. Still, there's nothing that gets people to the polls like being angry and losing. Those two things do get people out to vote. But I also think we need to be a little bit cautious about assuming that this is a women's issue per se, and that you know, all women think one way about this issue, because that's certainly not true, and it's not true about men, you know, or any

other sort of group. So I think both Democrats and Republicans have to be very careful on that, and I also think that he he also sort of ignores one part of this story, which is that fact that the decision, both the majority and the concurrence talks not just about a restriction of abortion, but also talks about potentially moving forward to address other rights same sex marriage, for instance,

and consensual sex contraception. And that's something we've heard Democrats and the President talk about because that would bring in presumably even other constituencies that would be concerned. So this

could potentially trigger get out the vote drive. I am not a person who believes this will surpass people's concern about the economy, for instance, but if this is a base election and get out the vote is important and the middle you know, define some of these purple states, it could be an issue that is, you know, really important in terms of the outcome of some of these close races. Rick, we were saying earlier with regard to all of this, you made the point in the nineteen seventies,

half the Republican Party was pro choice. Uh, A lot of Southern Democrats were pro life. How have both parties in that period of time become so entrenched around this issue. Well, look, I mean it was it was a gravitational issue at the time because the parties were changing right. Southern Democrats, Dixie Democrats, Dixiecrats were becoming Republicans. Republicans in the Northeast. We we held all the state legislatures, in almost all the governorships from Maine to New York at one point

in time as Republicans. You can't even imagine that. Now people who were born after night would think you were out of your mind to say things like that chairman of the Republican Party was was was pro choice. So, uh, A lot has changed and and mostly it was this moment around Reagan's election really where even though uh it wasn't the issue that brought Reagan to uh the presidency, it was a chance for social conservatives to rally around an individual and really redefine him and in the Repulican

Party in the process. And that's exactly what happened. And you can you can track the emergence of the pro choice movement around the Reagan presidency and subsequent presidents after. Yeah, we we used we referred to the congressman by the name of Henry quay Are, a Democrat from Texas, quite a bit earlier this year, and because he won his primary, genie as the last anti abortion Democrat in the House.

We know how many there are, there's one. When you look back at the evolution in the Democratic Party, how do you rationalize that far a move to the left on this single issue. You know, this has been the story, whether we're talking about guns or we're talking about abortions, of these parties have become so homogeneous in a way that makes it very difficult for them to reach across

the aisle and get things done. I mean, we've talked about, you know, the gun control issue, for instance, the last big on bill before the one today was because Republicans and Democrats were able to find some common ground. That's much harder to do on an issue like guns or abortion. Whent to your point, you have just one pro life Democrat in the entire House, and you know probably how many in the Senate, maybe two or three. So it's a really really big change, and I think it's a

dangerous development. That these parties at at the elected level. And that's what I want to stress, because there are a lot of Democrats who are pro life, just as there are a lot of Republicans who are pro choice, but they don't get elected in these particularly districts where you have this gerrymandering going on, and you have the the outer limits of both parties determining who the nominees are.

We continue to galvanize on each side. I don't know if you heard Kevin McCarthy at the beginning of what he was just saying, this night of rage. Let me hear him again, and the truth is, pro life Americans are not planning a night of rage. He got some chuckles there from those who were with him. But this actually is uh potentially serious matter. It's something that law enforcement is concerned about. In the White House has actually had to issue a couple of statements. The President mentioned

it today, not by name. Karine Jean Pierre though did in the White House briefing room, saying that they were familiar with this, uh that uh, the pro choice activists could well take to the streets, caused damage, vandalism, etcetera, that there could be violence. This is part of the reason why justice is homes are being protected right now. How much of a how much of an issue starting right now, Rick Davis is security? Oh, I think it's a big deal. The Department of Homeland Security today issued

a warning that cells of nationwide terror groups. You know, these are domestic terror groups, which we've been hearing so much about, and we we think of white nationalists and militia types, but uh, there are terror groups that are identified by the Homeland Security around this issue. And and evidently they've been identifying churches and other facilities that they

are concerned might be attacked. So if if Homeline Security thinks it's a big issue, then I think the rest of us should be concerned also, and genie members of both parties should be as well. Absolutely. And you know, we have seen violence against federal judges, you know, threats against Supreme Court justices, but federal judges as a whole. There was the horrific killing of the son of a New Jersey federal judge in you know last year I

believe it was. So this has gote an ongoing problem, and it is something I was very glad the President said. You know, people can protest, but they need to do so peacefully, and that has always got to be the case, and we cannot forget that. Well, we're no strangers to this down here, you know, Rick, I know that that you're you live in the Capital area. You've probably seen

the barriers up around the court. You think they need to go back up around the capital, you know, And I too soon to tell I think kudos to the President for making part of his statement today a message to the American people to uh protest, but pro test peacefully. Uh. Frankly, that's a that's a big improvement over what we've had in the past. So um, hopefully the President's influence will help.

And UM, I do think law enforcement, Homeland security, local police forces, the FBI, they become much more sophisticated when it comes to these local groups that disrupt these kinds of things. So hopefully we can remain an open city. Even though there's a ten foot chain link barrier around the Supreme Court right now, it'd be nice to not see that for the rest of the our our beautiful city. I want to take this this second that I have to thank Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano for their balanced

analysis every day on this program. You're not gonna hear this anywhere else. That's why they make up our signature panel. Thanks to Emily Wilkins as well our friend June Grosso, who will have a great Bloomberg Law edition coming up later in Michael Dorff The Fastest Hour in Politics. I'll see get back here Monday. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg