Sound On: SCOTUS Leak Rocks Washington, Midterms Abortion Focus

of contraceptions are all built top of this idea. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio Washington is Rocks by the leak. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics. The story on a looming decision on Roe v. Wade has already evolved in its first twenty four hours. We'll have the latest for you with reactions from the White House and Capitol Hill, and new reporting from Bloomberg Supreme

Court reporter Greg Store. We'll consider what this means for the mid terms, with Harvard pollster John della Volpe joining us later from the Milk and Conference and the panel. Today, they're back Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis back together for the hour. Democratic leaders in Washington are vowing a legislative answer to what looks like an impending

Supreme Court decision in validating Row versus Way. Now, we've been talking about this since just before we went to bed last night. A lot of people woke up to it this morning. Reactions have come from every quarter, and we're going to cover this for you here before we seek a bit of analysis and better understand what's going on and what might happen. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer

spoke this morning from the Senate floor. Here he is now that the Court is poised to strike down Row, it is my intention for the Senate to hold a vote on legislation to codify the right to an abortion in law, in line with a White House statement today President Biden writing, we will need more pro choice senators and a pro choice majority in the House to adopt legislation that codifies Row, which I will work to pass and sign into law. He spoke more from the tarmac

at Joint Base Andrews. It was a little bit noisy. He's outdoors on his way to Alabama earlier today, saying the President here saying this could have much wider implications here he is it basically says all the decisions are remade your private life, who you're married, whether or not you decide to conceive a child or not, whether or not you can have an abortion, a range of other decisions,

whether or not how you raise your child. What is this to uh And does this mean that in Florida they can decide they're going to pass a law saying that same sex marriage is not permissible. It's against the law in Florida. So there's a whole it's it's a fundamental shift in American Jews persis. We heard from Mitch McConnell as well, of course, the Senate Minority leader from the Republican side, not talking about the contents of the leak, but the leak itself. Here he is this laws auction

should be investigated, unpunished to the fullest. It's not possible the fullest. It's not possible. I'm certain the Chief Justice will seek to get to the bottom of this. If a crime was committed, the Department of Justice must pursue it completely. And we should note the Chief Justice Roberts says he's already directed the Marshal of the Court to

launch an investigation into the source of the league. I do wonder if we will ever find out it is a relatively small circle here of folks who could have done this, who had access to the document pages, the pdf sitting right there for the world to see now. And that is where we begin with Greg store Bloomberg, Supreme Court reporter, the best there is and lucky to have him today. Greg. The Court has authenticated this document.

It's expected to issue a ruling by July. Do we have any reason to believe that any justice here, any conservative justice, or any for that matter, we change their vote on such a serious matter. It's not like they just started thinking about it. Well, if there hadn't been the leak. Uh, certainly there's a possibility that a justice could change his or her mind. That happens all the time. And keep in mind this this documents actually a couple of months old. It was dated Sary of the tenth.

It was a first draft. So it's even possible that somebody has had already had misgivings about what they've read here. Um. And then the next question is, well, now that it's leaked out, does that make it more or less likely that somebody might shift positions? And you know, there's a pretty good argument that this might kind of lock people into into position where they were because they don't want to look like they have they have caved to the

pressure that everybody is feeling right now. Justice Roberts went out of his way to statements to credit the workforce at the Court, describing them as intensely loyal to the institution and dedicated to the rule of law. I'm sure you read this this morning, Gregg. You went on to call this a singular and egregious breach of trust. What is this doing inside the court knowing they have a leaker amongst them? Well, the Chief Justice has to be

torn in a in a major way. He's both trying to protect the institutional integrity of the Court and to say that, um, you know, the vast majority of people don't do stuff like this, and yet there is this, if he put it, egregious breach of trust. Um, you know, there have been a number of of much smaller leaks in recent years. The Court has become leakier, uh, And there are plenty of signs that relationships within the quarter are becoming more fractious. And this cannot help things here

and and undoubtedly within the Court. There's there are a lot of ill feelings about what has happened here and probably a lot of questions. Probably the justices are very much wondering where this came from. Trust shaking. We have no reason to believe that this investigation will be made public anytime soon, right, I mean, how would this actually be gone about? Well, we're really an uncharted territory here.

The Marshal will look in into it. I would imagine that if if they come to a conclusion, we will get some information. Uh. But but I'm really just speculating because it's not like you or I have ever seen anything like this before, So there's not really a roadmap we can expect the court to follow. What a day, Gregg. Great to have you with us, Gregg Store. We couldn't do this without them, Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter check your

terminal for his byline. Over the course of this story, and we bring in the panel with Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis with us on a very important day here, Jeanie. Senator Schumer and President Biden, who we just both heard from our talking about legislation today to codify the right to an abortion. But they don't have the votes for that in the Senate, do they

They do not. But we heard Senator Schumer say today that he wants all Senators to go on the record having to vote, you know, for he hopes, or against that codification. And I think he is right about that politically, because this is a right. I can't tell you how many young women I spoke to on campus today and these are not, you know, all liberal because they're they're

a whole range of political, you know, ideologies. And even the tone of this draft granted it's a draft decision, and the lack of sort of respect for how embedded this right is in the lives and the bodies of women is really troubling to a lot of people. And so I think Senator Schumer and others on Capitol Hill are saying, we want you to go and say that you are going to take this right away from people

after half a century. Is that what this comes down to, rick that the Democrats don't really have a lot of options here. Oh, this is really just rhetoric at this point. They've got to try to make the best they can of it. That everyone was caught by surprise but Democrats very much in a defensive posture on this issue right now.

They have to play catch up. They have not had this as a focal point of their parties push with women voters, especially for or quite some time, so all those kinds of political alliances and organizations need to on their side really get started. It is interesting that Republicans, certainly in the Senate, haven't used this as an opportunity to say victory for pro life forces. Instead, they are keen to investigate the source of the leak, Which what do I think that quoters are going to be uh

interested in? Well, I think that they they really do believe, you know, that the court um should have been able to put this out on their own time, and I think they believe that it would have been better later on when there weren't some of these active primaries going on that would distract from uh, frankly, some of the problems of the of the Biden administration they're having on economic issues. So I I just think it was not what Republicans wanted at the time that it was released.

So I think that that ultimately is going to be one of the one of the issues for Republicans. A contrasting responses really have been something here, Genie with as as we've heard clearly in not only what we're describing,

but in the sound that we played for you. And this started with, you know, the hot takes last night on Twitter from lawmakers and a lot of other people, Liberals outraged talking specifically about the impact on lives on policy, Republicans outraged, calling it an attack on the independence of

the court. Is that where we're going from here? I think so, And you know that, you know, it's fascinating because you read Aledo's draft decision and the crowds outside the court and the people protesting and the noise on Twitter. That's exactly the reason he says that the Court needs to stay out of this, that it's too hot, The Court has no role in this, handed over to the state legislators, handed over to Congress. So in some way, all of the protesting underscores exactly what he is trying

to say. And you know, we heard it today, people like Elizabeth Warren, you know, sounded more emotion nal and angry probably than we've ever heard her before. And I would just add to what Rick said, I think the reason Republicans are focusing on who leaked is because they don't know the impact this is going to have in the mid term. They are set to have a bang

up year. They are set to take the Senate, take the House, do really well, and now a monkey wrench has been thrown into it in the in the form of this issue of abortion. And if this cost them numbers and even cost them one or both houses, that's something they just you know, it would be stunning at this point because they're set to do well well, let's get to that rick. The conventional wisdom right now is that this mobilizes Democrats. That certainly increases Democratic turnout, a

majority turnout in an off year. But does this does this change the calculus for this campaign cycle? Sure? Um uh. It's been well reported that Democratic party enthusiasm you know, people willing to vote, has been significantly lower than Republicans this cycle. Part of the reason why people think there's gonna be so much of a red wave, especially in

the in the House of Representatives. That being said, um uh, this throws a monkey wrench into Republicans ability to potentially get those women, suburban voters that have been coming back to the fold and some of these elections we've had lately. Uh, you know, the governor young in election in Virginia demonstrated that. And so anything that that that diminishes the number of women voters for Republican caucuses creates danger for Republican candidates

in America. And we have to have almost as many women as men, and uh and and or at least offset by the same almoss and and without that, um, some of these races just aren't going to be able to get to the finish line. Rick and Guinie are with us here on the Tuesday edition, a special edition to sound on as we focus specifically on this story for the hour, the fastest hour in politics, This is Bloomberg.

Your question to me was, did I debate the contents of Roe versus Way, the outcome and Rove as his way? Do I have this day and opinion a personal opinion on the outcome and Row versus Way? And my answer to you is that I do not. Well. Do I understand that you may overrule it or you may sustain it. I have no agenda. Can you tell me whether Roe was decided correctly? Center Again, I would tell you that Roe versus Wade decided as a President, United States Supreme Court.

It has been reaffirmed. The reliance interests considerations are important there and all of the other factors that go into analyzing precedent that have to be considered. It is a precedent of the United States Supreme Court. Have your views on whether Row is settled precedent or could be overturned? And it has your views changed since you were in the Bush White House Centator, I said that it's settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court entitled the respect

under principles of starry decisives. One of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past forty five years. Do you agree with Justice galleys view that Row was wrongly decided? So, Senator, I do want to be forthright and answer every question so far as I can.

I think on that question, you know, I'm going to invoke Justice Kagan's description, which I think is perfectly put when she was in her confirmation hearing, she said that she was not going to grade precedent or give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. And I think in an area where precedent continues to be pressed and litigated, as is true of Casey, it would be particularly um, it would actually be wrong, in a violation of the canons for me to do that as a sitting judge.

Justices Thomas, Gorset, Kavanaugh, and Barrett in that order responding and not always answering questions about Roe versus Weight in their confirmation hearings. It's important to hear their words right on a day when well, some people are accusing them of lying or misleading the Senate on this issue. There's nowhere else you're gonna hear that than right here today on sound on here' Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer today

on the floor. Several of these conservative justices, who are in no way accountable to the American people, have lied to the U. S. Senate, ripped up the Constitution, and defiled both precedent and the Supreme Court's reputation. Wow, and so we bring that back the panel for their take on this. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis Rick, what what are we gonna do? Hold the justices and contempt of Congress? Well, I don't think you can hold

them in contempt A Congress. I think that they all had the back door wide open on these questions as they were going through confirmation. And and again it just shows you that part of that confirmation process is not necessarily indicative to what a justice is going to do when he gets on the bench and when he or she gets on the bench. So we've had lots of justices change their minds based on uh, lessons and experience they gain on the bench from when they were appointed. So, uh,

that's just a fact of life. Lifetime appointments liberate people. Uh, And I would say you have a very liberated Supreme Court these days. Well you know, I'm I'm kidding about the content part here, Jeanie, But like, why are we going here right now? Why pursue this narrative? Where does that indicate how few options? Uh, the Democratic majority has at the moment. You know, you just listened to that montage you just played, and it's quite stunning. These are

people who are incredibly well educated. They have they are law professors, they are judges, they are attorneys at the highest level. The idea that they have no opinion on Row is absolutely absurd. Everybody as an opinion on Row, and you don't need to go to law school to have one. And I think I have to say give Amy Coney Barrett credit. She had the best non response following Kagan, which is I'm not going to give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. The problem here is

not these people, necessarily, it's the process. When you have a process where you tell people we're going to parade you before the Senate. If you dare to answer the question the way that you actually think you won't get the job. Most people aren't gonna give you the answer, uh that that you want, and so they're not going to give you the honest answer. They're going to bow out.

Then they don't have a response. And that's what's happened. Um, you know, ever since people realized what happened to Robert Bourke because he was honest and he didn't get the job. So the process is broken, it doesn't work, and the American people are suffering for it. So does this change the whole conversation in future hearings, future confirmation hearings, Rick, and we never know when we're gonna get one. Does it change the whole conversation around the Starry decisive the

idea of precedent, Why does that even matter? Then? I think, uh, we're really confusing what's happening today in the Supreme Court around abortion and any process that has anything to do with confirmation. This is not a confirmation issue. The members of the Congress, member the Senate can ask all the hard questions they want on any time they want it,

and ultimately they're an advice and consent. And anybody who thought these justices who uh primarily were appointed by George Bush and Donald Trump, we're not going to take on abortion as an issue, whether it was a full uh takedown of brov. Wade or or some tweak that allowed states to decide themselves. Uh, And we still don't know that for certain uh would be considered incredibly politically night, which is why Democrats were so anxious to try and

look at court packing as an option. It wasn't because they believed anything they were told in in confirmation hearing. It was because they knew that this court was going to be active on these issues. And the minute this court took up this case, you knew Row was in danger. And talking about with Rick and Jennie pulled that thought Rick Davis. President Biden already struggling with young voters. What effect might this have? Now we'll look at new research

from the Harvard Kennedy School coming up. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. We're fascinated by poles around here, of course as we inch toward November, but on a day

like this they take on new meaning. That's why it's a pleasure to bring in John Della Volpi, director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School's Institute of Politics, author of the book Fight How gen Z is channeling their fear and passion to save America's joining us from the milk and conference right now as the Harvard uh Kennedy School Institute of Politics, that with a massive piece of research called simply the Harvard Youth Poll. It's for this

season and it's the forty three edition. John, it's great to have you with us year before we dig into what you were seeing here in this research. Does a headline like today with regard to the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade move opinions or move people historically to become single issue voters in a campaign season like this, I think it does. Gentle Again, thanks for having me. What we've found specifically in this research over the last

couple of decades is the younger people. But I think it's fair to say that older Americans as well vote when they can see a tangible difference of engagements. And

sometimes that's a positive, sometimes that's a negative. And what we've seen so far over the last you know, twelve hours, twenty four hours around this document from the Supreme Court is that is that this is likely to be highly motivational for specifically young people who are unsure whether or not they're going to participate because um, they can now see in very tangible ways the difference than engagement mix, and that I think will be a significant driver to

increase participation frankly across um all all all partisan groups in November. Well, that's important. It would run counter to some of the trends that you had been seeing. We're talking eighteen to twenty nine year olds, John, and in your poll had found that they believe that political involvement

rarely has tangible results. That was up to thirty six percent they think their vote does not make a difference to your to your point just now up to only approve of the job President Biden is doing all these then could really turn on this news today is what you're seeing, I think absolutely could really add some energy specifically to the one of the places where up until this point, President Biden has been frankly under under performing.

You know, UM, we we had we have not seen UM specifically of the last six months, the traditional generation gap UM that we would expect from from democratic office holder, which means that here she typically receives stronger marks with the younger folks, folks and older folks here, you know, present Bind's approval have been has been relatively flat across all groups. But Joe, let's also remember that that UM

is not what people are voting for in Neuvember. People November voting for a Democrat versus Republican and oftentimes, you know, as we could see and also in this and other research, UM, the differences are stark between how they rate the present today versus how they rate a Democrat versus Republican November

approval though, is that's pretty rough. That could be any old pole that the President is kind of looking at, scratching his ed saying, God, I brought you infrastructure, I got you out of COVID, what else do you want? Here I realized we don't have build back better yet. But what is it actually among young people who feel like their vision has not been fulfilled? Their the promises you hear in many cases that that that Joe Biden made on the campaign trail have not been fulfilled. Is

that what you're hearing. It's a lot of I think expectations Joe and and also and also communication generally. Yeah, our students wrote a series of questions to follow up and the general sense I'd say is that they view younger people view the president as being relatively ineffective. You know that that's uh, that's bad news. The good news for for for for for Biden is that they don't necessarie really see it in relation to UM misunder misalignment

on values, or something that's more systemic. You know. I think if if the administration can prove that they're making progress on the issues that you know, people care about, then I think there's an opportunity to turn this around. This is not unfamiliar place to folks in the Biden world.

This is where he was at the end of primary and we know that UM the results were completely different by November, where almost two thirds of people under the age of thirty voted for I can remember conducting what was build at one point as an exit interview with Joe Biden and New Hampshire John which tells you a lot. As he headed for South Carolina. You've found overall forty of Americans under thirty prefer Democrats maintain control of Congress.

Is that number historically low for young people? Well, it is, well, you know, it's historic. It's it's low relative to two thousand eighteen for sure. So and I think that's the that's the appropriate um uh, you know, election to to to to compare it with But among those young people who are likely to vote, you know, Democrats move up to fifty five per cents. So so there is a

gap between the likely voters and all young Americans. But um still, I think that you know, for for the Democratic how for the for Democrats to to have an opportunity to kind of maintain their their slim holding the House, that the number needs to start with a six, you know, in the next poll that we conduct, which will be in the fall. Now are you constantly rolling here? You've already heard from some people you said in the last

twenty four hours. Yeah, where We're constantly whether it's through the quantitative work we do at the Institute of Politics or through focus groups for all the conversations you know, and and and looking at other data. Of course, we are constantly in touch with younger people. The next official Harvard Youth Poll forty four will be out, um, you know, in the two week period before the next midterm got it. I'm I'm deeply curious to see what those numbers are,

as I'm sure you are as well. Uh. The poll two thousand, twenty four eighteen to twenty nine year olds, organized with undergrads from the Harvard Public Opinion Projects, super supervised by this man right here, John Della Vulpi. John, it's really great to talk to you again. We thank you for your insights joining us live from the milk In Conference. Been a busy place here and glad we

could make that happen. We'll reassemble the panel next. Rick and Genie weigh in on what we just heard as we also consider this idea of dropping the filibuster once again, but waits, they don't have the votes. I thought we'll get into that with the panel next. On Sound On, I'm Joe Matthew This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The headline on the terminal Ocastio Cortes Sanders ripped Cinema on

filibuster over abortion. Man, it's getting ugly already here as Representative Alexandria Costio Cortes and Senator Bernie Sanders reading from the terminal for you here call on Democrats to challenge one of their own, Senator Kirsten Cinema when she's up for re election. This is not a mid term story because of yes, her resistance to ending the filibuster. This has been a big part of the conversation here today the Coastio Cortes tweeting quote, we could protect Row tomorrow,

but Cinema refuses to act on the filibuster. Until that changes, she can take a seat talking about women's access to healthcare. Hold everyone contributing to this disaster accountable, GOP and them obstructionists included. She should be primaried. This idea of dropping the filibuster came up in the White House Press gaggle today. I call it that because they were on Air Force one on their way to Alabama Press Secretary Jensaki speaking on Air Force one. Here she is. There has been

a vote on this. It failed. It did not have even fifty votes, which means even if the filibuster were overturned, there would have not have been enough votes to get this passed. Okay, reality check as we reassemble the panel, Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. That is the truth, Rick, Right, when this comes down to math, what are we actually talking about here? Yeah, the Democrats can't pass a fixed to row because they don't have the votes and the

Democratic caucus to do that. And they got to go find a bunch of new Democrats who have an opinion on uh, pro life that our pro choice that is gonna match what Ocasio Cortes is talking about. I mean to dump on cinema like that. Who isn't the course of their problem right now is UH is really unexplainable other than the fact that she's got a tough re election fight and that may explain her anger today. Well speak to that for a minute, Rick, You know Arizona

politics as well as anybody. Uh, how much of a threat could this be to Kirson Cinema's career. Oh, I don't think. I don't think there is a threat to Kirston Cinema's career right now. I mean, you think about all the things that are gonna happen between now in four when she's going to seek reelection. There's already Democrats line up to to run against her in the state because of her position on not willing to increase taxes.

I would say that is a much more salient issue in in Arizona for her than it is against her when she seeks reelection. She's never budged this uh filibuster deal here, Genie, I can't imagine that this would change her mind. But the daggers are coming out here. That's not always a good look. It's not And you know, I was very glad. Jen psaki Um was, you know, very cogent and sober about this. The reality is, Number one, they don't have the votes, as Rick said in their

own caucus to pass this. Number two, even if they did, if they get rid of the filibuster and if they could codify Row, if the Republicans take the Senate and the House, which they are likely to do in the fall, that could be overturned just as quickly. That's the argument of people like Joe Manchin and Kristen Cinema in terms

of not approaching filibuster reform. So you know, it is not as black and white or cut and dry as they as you know, Alexandro Castio Cortez is suggesting as if we get rid of this, we catified row and that's it. The right could go away just as quickly if the Republicans and when the Republicans take the Congress, is the statement from Senator Cinema. Quote protections and the Senate safeguarding against the erosion of women's access to healthcare have been used half a dozen times in the past

ten years and are more important now than ever. Unquote uh. That also is the argument she has delivered consistently here, Rick, that doesn't seem to matter to other members of her party, that this can slap back on you. That's right, and and and it will right. I mean, the minute you start cracking open the Fillibus rule for this, then then it's kitty bar the door. And then it's anybody who wants to pass a tax increase or anybody who wants to change the statute. But then it's just in reverse. Uh,

you can't put that genie back in the bottle. And so once this genie is out, you've got to watch out. As a democracy, it helps to erode those institutions that help us govern as a as a group of people with common interests. And so all those folks who say there and wring their hands about wild democracies under assault, well then quit talking about and in the filibuster, because what the filibuster forces you to do is work together. Jennie,

what's the next move for the administration here? We heard some brief remarks from the president. Uh, and of course we heard explicit remarks from Chuck Schumer and Democrats on the Hill who held a news conference today, you know, promising legislative action in some you know, talking about the filibuster. Not that that was the president. You heard the White

House's line on that. But is it going to get to the point where we're not being honest, that that the administration is not being honest with Democratic voters about what's possible? Um? You know, listening to what Jensaki that cut you just played, I think she was very honest, um. And you know, I think the administration is going to use this to make the case they should be making,

which is that elections matter. We are in this position because from their perspective, they don't have enough Democrats in Congress. Go to the polls, vote, get them in there, and then we can make these reforms. We can even beat a filibuster. So I think they are going to make that argument, and I think that's the right argument to make. We're in a democracy. You've got to get people into positions of changing the law before you can change that law.

I also think we're going to continue to hear about filibuster reform, but also court packing. We had the Supreme Court commission put together by the President. I think they're going to continue talking about that. I think they should talk about the exceptions clause. I think they'll talk about a lot of those things. But the reality is you've got to vote in the mid term election if you want to see change in Congress, and if you're a Democrat and you want this codified, you've got to get

enough Democrats in that office. And that means in West Virginia and Arizona, you can't choose progressives because they won't win. When's the march on Washington, Genie, I'm asking you seriously, I think it's going to be soon, and I think it should. You know, this language of Aldo's draft opinion is stunning. You know, at one point he says he doesn't pretend to know how the political system and society

will respond to the decision. Reminded me very much of Dread Scott and Roger Taney's argument, will just strike down the Missouri compromise and just see how it goes, and that, of course walks us into the Civil War. We've been here before with with the Supreme Court. They've made disastrous opinions in the past. They should be cognizant of what's going to happen next. And for him to say he's not, I think his shame on him. So I think there

should be a merch Rick Davis. The vision of the visuals of a million, maybe more women on the National Mall. Maybe this is the biggest march. And I'm this is pure speculation on my part, but we know this is coming, maybe the biggest display of of of humans gathering that we've ever seen here in the Capitol. Would moments like that change the calculus and the conversation within campaign's Democratic and Republican in the mid terms, certainly heats it up politically, Joe.

I mean, bringing that kind of firepower to the mall is always awesome, you know, from a political point of view. I would remind everybody that every year since since Roe was decided in the early nineteen seventies, UM, there's been a march for life on January. So it's not like we haven't seen this play out. This is an old, somewhat tired political ploy that everybody has on both sides of the issue, to try and use their political power

to generate change. I would I would remind you too that that even though all this has been going on for such a very long time since nine and seventy four, that there's been virtually no change in public opinion on the issue of abortion in the last forty years, and so people are pretty much convinced as to where they're gonna be, and all the marches on Washington hasn't changed

it today. Well, so, if you're a Republican, then being called by Chuck Schumer to vote on this, uh, just to make a statement, is that actually good politics for a Republican right now? I mean, obviously a pro life Republican. Uh, someone who has made this part of their platform is I'm I'm assuming and embrace the opportunity. But maybe not every lawmaker will wreck. Yeah, I don't think every lawmaker will.

And certainly early indications on this are that that there seems to be kind of a hesitation to really sort of get the pots and pans and clang them together. Now, look, if this Supreme Court does what this this this document indicates they will do, there will be massive unhest in states who will now have to decide what their state

policy is going to be about abortion. And that is probably what a lot of these members are concerned about, because the last thing they had on their minds was going home at the end of this election cycle and right before a presidential campaign having legislation in their legislatures or on a ballot issue on abortion in their state.

All news is local, Genie goes the line here. That's going to be the case with much more attention paid to state legislatures right in gubernatorial races because of this. That's right, And you know, the good Mocker Institute is saying about twenty two to twenty six states. Um, you know, if this reversal goes forward. Are going to have trigger laws which which you know, reverse with with real reversed. And of course we have about thirty six governors races

on the ballot. All of those candidates will be asked what their states are going to do. And you talk to people in Texas, they tell you they've been living in a post row world already and what that has meant for women who don't have the means to travel across the border. You listen to those stories. It doesn't decrease the number of pregnancies or unwanted pregnancies. It increases the amount of stress that these usually poor women are under while they try to negotiate a really difficult process.

That's what we're up for in this country. If this comes through. And this is day one, Genie and Rick, thank you for your honest opinions here in important analysis. My goodness, on this third of May. Who would have thought we'd be talking about this at this time even yesterday. Things are changing that fast. That's why we're here on sound on the fastest hour in politics. I'll meet you back here tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg