Sound On: Putin Victory Day Speech, Democrats’ Abortion Fury

Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Russia's victory day comes and goes with no surprises from Vladimir Prutin. Welcome to the Fastest hour in politics with the view from Prutin's world. In a conversation ahead with Angela Stent, the author in plutins Sage, who directs the Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies of Government and Foreign Service at Georgetown. Later, we'll

turn to primary season. Bloomberg White House reporter Jordan Fabian will join us on his new column about the role that Roe V. Wade could play ahead of November and our signature panel is back in place. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Shentano and Rick Davis are with us for the hour, and that is where we start, with Rick Davis joining us from Bloomberg World headquarters in New York. Rick. The speech from Vladimir Putin was described by retired Brigadier General

Mark Kimmittt today as a nothing burger. He made no news. What did you make of it? That must be a military scientific term. Uh, you know, it's it's another example of how little we probably really know about what goes on with Vladimir Putin or the Kremlin All month long. It was what kind of victory speech is he gonna give? Is he gonna call up troops, Are you're gonna you know, take on all these uh conscripts? Is he gonna use this opportunity to you know, change the law and in

Russia to make it easier to fight. None of that happened. And and look, I mean the only conclusion you can make is he didn't have anything to declare victory of right. I mean, like even he knows better than to say he's winning in Ukraine without some tangible evidence. Obviously, the fight continues, and and and and that will be the story for the next you know, month, two months, six months,

whatever it is. But um, I think it's the first recognition by Vladimir Putin that he couldn't get away with just abject propaganda on a day like this where the whole world was watching what he was gonna say. I'm still talking about Nazis though, and you know certainly was forwarding I think propaganda like messaging that's been coming from Moscow, Rick, I mean, talking to UH, talking to the people of Russia on this anniversary about the de Nazification of Ukraine

is quite remarkable on a historical level. Yeah, I mean it's it's it insults everybody's sensibilities around the world. But that's who Vladimir Putin is. He really doesn't care about anybody else. And and this was his justific cation for UH rolling troops across a sovereign border. And and you know, it's kind of the old that's my line and I'm sticking to it. Uh, it doesn't work. Nobody around the

world is aping that line. He doesn't have a single ally in this cause that's willing to go shoulder to shoulder wership other than his puppet and bay Larus, and and and so you know, you really begin to wonder how long is he going to stay on this stick of you know, trying to convince the world the legitimacy of his of his activities, especially at a time when really most of the energy is being spent towards empowering and equipping the Ukrainian military to fight back and cataloging

all the war crimes that are being perpetrated by Vladimir Putin and his troops. Rick standby, and we're gonna bring in Jeanie Schanzano to the conversation in a moment as well as we look back to this speech just earlier, Vladimir Putin reviving his claim as I mentioned that Russia is fighting Neo Nazis in Ukraine, spoken red square on what is again Victory Day in Moscow, marking the seventy seventh anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany. Uh what

some hit feared though. This is something I discussed last week with Senator Mark Warner, who again chairs the Intelligence Committee. Here's what he told us on Friday. I don't think May Night is going to have anything significant other than what UH Putin might might do. There's been speculation, and I'm not sure. There's been speculation that he might make a formal declaration of war against Russia against Ukraine, which would allow him to call up Paul at his reserves.

But nothing more than another speech again trying to justify the invasion, along with of course, the pomp and circumstance, the military parade, the hardware of the music, the whole bit that you would expect. And that's where we start with Angela Stent, director of the Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies of Government and Foreign Service at Georgetown University, of course, author of the definitive Putin's World, which is really gutting us, thinking quite a bit at

Bloomberg News for the past ten weeks of his conflicts. Angela, welcome, It's it's great to have you with us. I wondered what must have been going through your mind as you watch Vladimir Putin go through this exercise and Red Square. He did not make history. He made no major announcements. Did he seem like he was on his heels to you? Well, he certainly made a very aggressive speech. He did not

make history. He repeated all of his talking points that this was a warm preventative war that Russia had to undertake because NATO and the United States and it's corotninue quote Nazi allies in Ukraine were about to take back Russian territory in the don Bus and Crimea. Uh and so he repeated all of that, and he likened it obviously to nine and the Great Patriotic War. It wasn't a very long speech. He did make some uh nod

to all of the casualties. I mean, he did say that they were good of more money to the families of the fallen soldiers. He had to admit that because that you know, Western counts say that up to any thousand Russian soldiers may have been killed. But yeah, but you should note that even though he did not announce officially general mobilization, they are mobilizing people. They are now sending notices the people in the reserves. People are told you have to come and report for duty otherwise you're

going to lose your job. So that is actually going on. But he just didn't say it formally because he knew that that would be a very unpopular move with the population. You know, I'm just struck Angela by the vision of two thousand five. On on this day, Russia was marking the sixtieth the anniversary. At that point, more than fifty foreign leaders showed up, including George W. Bush. Exactly, ladimere Putin think he's winning as as he looked around earlier today.

How could he have thought he was winning in comparison, Well, he must have convinced himself that he has a holy mission, and you know that this has become religious now, to holy mission to liberate Ukraine from the evil West and to reunite Ukraine with Russia and by the way, Belarus as well. He must have convinced himself. Is that there's no rational explanation for this otherwise. Fiona Hill was speaking with US last week, spoke with Bloomberg quick Take, suggesting

that Vladimir Putin would have done this earlier. He would have invaded Ukraine earlier if the insurrection on January six had succeeded. I'd love for you to hear what she had to say and get your response. Here's Fiona Hill, And imagine if Trump productually succeeded on January six, and the members of the January six Committee in the U S. Congress a pretty confidence that we were very close to

him succeeding had not. Vice President Pence basically refused to block the transfer of executive power, and I had agreed, in fact just go ahead, pushed ahead, rather than agree to it, I mean, disagreed with you know what Trump is asking him to do, and you know, basically Um certified the electoral votes. I mean, we've been a totally

different place. I'm gonna body people would have probably just driven right into Ukraine himself, because he then would have seen the United States is completely finished from a leadership perspective, because we would be no different from any other country in the world that had just had a coup. Now this is someone who is there, Angela. This is a voice of credibility, I think on this issue in Fiona Hill,

how do you react to that? Well, I think she's quite right because we know from Trump himself, even on the campaign trail in twenty six said, you know, Cramer was part of Russia, kind of Ukraine wasn't really a country. They took out of the Republican Party platform any words of support for Ukraine. So I'm sure that he would not have, you know, the Trump administration or at least the Trump White House would have not batted an eyelid if Fressia had invaded Ukraine. I'm not sure about the

rest of the administration. But interestingly enough, when John Bolton was asked about this a couple of weeks ago, because Trump said this would never have happened if I had been president, Bob rejoined and sent, actually, grangle, I'm sorry, I wish we had more time. As usual, this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. All a technical term from the retired general retired Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt to hear from often

here on sound on and across Bloomberg Radio. With reaction to the Putin speech over the weekend, we were just discussing with Angela Stents and with Rick Davis, who will be back with us in a moment. Uh, not a lot there, certainly not a lot new, According to kim It, Here's how he described the speech from Moscow. Putin speech was frankly a nothing burger. Everybody was hoping to or expecting to hear, either that he would declare war, he would annex the Dawn Boss he would mobilize his forces.

He did nothing of the sort. So I think he's just taking a slow study approach to this war and hopes that Europe will need gas quicker than he runs out of troops, which is a pretty grim thought. As we assemble the panel now with Rick Davis along with Jennie Chanzano Bloomberg Politics contributors, Genie, I'd love to get your reaction to all of this, as there were some

pretty major concerns going into the weekend. Vladimir Putin did not make good on them, although Angela Stent reminded us that troops are being mobilized right, people are being pulled into the military, reserves are being called up. But he looked pretty lonely up there when you consider fifty world leaders with him in two thousand five. Putin's world has changed.

It has, and you know, I keep thinking that perhaps it runned me a bit of the false live operations that the United States kept talking about in the build up to the war, that that didn't come to to play. And I kept wondering, if you know, there hadn't been so much, you know, so anticipation that he would use some kind of rhetoric, that that there would be some statement today if he might have, In other words, did we take the wind out of his sales, so to speak.

That seemed to me what had been going on, because, as you mentioned, he seemed like a really lonely person up there without much to say on what is an incredibly important day, twenty seven million people lost in Russia and World War two. And yet today this is what we heard. His world changed apparently on the sixth of January as well, Rick, when he realized he wasn't gonna be able to get away with this. Earlier you heard

the words of Fiona Hill a short time ago. Angela Stent didn't blink when she heard that that does seem to have been an important date in Russian and Ukrainian history, as well as U s history. Would you agree, yes, we uh we We tend to get lost in the moment there's all this action, a war on the ground

in Ukraine. But I really thought it was compelling that Fiona Hill took a step back today and made those comments about the act that this would all probably have been kicked off on January six had Trump been successful in overturning the elections. On the Capitol that day, and and that's chilling. I mean, you can just only imagine um what the world would look out look like today

if something like that had happened. And and to be honest, you constantly think you live in a world with institutions that can make up for this kind of inconsistencies with its leaders. But at the end of the day, leaders do matter. And I and I hope that that's something that we have a chance to talk about more between

now and even election day in the mid terms. Well, it's certainly true, Rick, But is it because Donald Trump would have stayed in office or because democracy in that case would have been trashed there would have been no credible argument against what Russia was doing. Well, those those two things would be uh in tandem, right, I mean, Trump would have stayed in office had he performed a soft coup, and and it would have been enough to

say that Democra she was on its back. And that would have been enough for Vladimir Putin to do what he had already started. Remember he had invaded in two thousand fourteen. I was looking for an opportunity to get in there again. And and no doubt that this would have been that opportunity. Important headline on our Ukraine update on the terminal, Democrats top Biden ask with forty billion dollar package. We're waiting for Congress Genie to get this

together here. Just yesterday on the Sunday Morning shows, I believe it was faced the Nation CBS, Nancy Pelosi said that needs to get done this month. It's the ninth of May. You know what the calendar looks like right now? What the heck is taking so long? Here? Is it the potential attachment of COVID funding like we've discussed title forty two, or is this going to sail through now

that there's a number on it. You know, nothing's gonna sail through the US Congress, But I do believe this is the one thing we do see getting done before you know, they break for the mid term essentially. And um, you know, Nancy Pelosi is somebody who has visited at Ukraine. We saw the first lady there over the weekend. What's holding this up is that it hasn't been a clean bill, and there's an effort to as you mentioned, COVID funding

and other things to pile on there. But if they can keep it clean, they will push this through because it does have widespread support in Congress. One of the few things that can get through in this environment. Forty billion from thirty three billion the president asked for. That's the it's actually thirty nine point seven to be exact with Democrats have drafted. It's important though, and it probably

won't get a lot of coverage. Maybe I'm wrong, Rick, This UH, this len Lease Act was signed today by President Biden. This this gets hardware flowing even without that money. That's right. I think this is really one of the key things that has happened this week for the US support for Ukraine. This is of course a device used in law when Franklin, Dellar and Roosevelt, without wanting to enter the war directly wanted to support the Ofish efforts

against the Nazis. UH was able to use to get equipment and and and and and weapons to the uk UH. This is no different. This allows the present to start shipping weapons systems that ultimately may be paid for by this legislative package. But it takes a heat off of Congress to have to do it in order to be able to get those those things in the supply chain. And so it really gives a lot more flexibility to the administration. It's it's military partners around the world to

get equipment into Ukraine quickly. Rick Davis, Jeannie Chanzano, our signature panel, and this we get our Monday edition of Sound on My Goodness Roney halfway through the fastest hour in politics and coming back with Jordan Fabian from our White House Team, mark column on the mid terms and

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white out loops. How about it? From Jordan's Fabian on our White House Team. He's going to be with us next, as White House official sees in Jordan's writing, the political opportunity in Democrats doomsday scenario. First though, we checked the markets, not trying to connect the dots on doomsday. Charlie Pellett, what happened today? It was an ugly day for the bulls today. In fact, we are at a thirteen month

low for the s and P five hundred index. Obviously year to date, looking at a sixteen point two percent loss for the SMP five index, that is the year to day and i'm or today the SMP fell three point two percent, down another one thirty two if you're looking at big round numbers. The SMP today closed below four thousand, back at thirty so stocks lore we had a widespread sell off amid concern about the FEDS ability to tame inflationary spirals without throwing the economy into a recession.

The now drops six hundred fifty three, extending last week's declines down by two percent. Naz stackdown five twenty one, a drop there of four point three percent. Ten Your up twenty three thirty seconds, Tenure Yield three point six percent, Spot Gold eighteen fifty four. The Ounce West Texas Enemdia Crew down six point one percent. One oh three oh nine Apparel just getting word from Microsoft, it will help cover the cost of employees having to travel to get

abortions or gender affirming care. I'm Charlie Pelopat Joe matthew is a Bloomberg business flash. Charlie, thanks. How dare you? Was the initial response Hunts from Vice President Kamala Harris as she spoke to Emily's List the day that the big draft leaked last week. Hard to believe a week has gone by and Jordan Fabian's got a great piece on the impact, at least potentially on the mid terms. There were a lot of hot takes, a lot of instant analysis. I was part of the chorus, uh, in

the twenty four hours that followed that story. And now that it's had a chance to settle, or at least is beginning to settle, it's good to talk with Jordan about this, and it's it's great to have Jordan Fabian here. A message you right, Jordan, The White House believes will resonate with suburban women, minorities, and young voters, whose support could be key to staving awful loss of Democrats House and Senate majorities. Uh, you're of course quoting an advisor

on that who you spoke with for the story. Uh, but it is an important take here with months to go, Jordan's how many single issue voters are there who could actually make a difference in the outcome of this election. I think it remains to be seeing Joe. It might not be very any But the here of the case here is that the Democrats, in order to improve their slim chances of holding on the majority, need to change this election from a referendum on Joe Biden into a

choice election between Republicans Democrats. And the way it was put to me by Biden advisors and others is that abortion is a part of that effort and that they can use to distinguish them from Republicans and try to paid Republicans as extreme. But it's not going to be a silver bullet. It's not something that's gonna turn the tie for them alone. It needs to be paired and they're telling with message on the economy and other major

issues that voters care about. Then again, it's going to raise a lot of money, right, I mean, wouldn't that alone have an impact on the outcome of some of these races? Absolutely? Yeah. We heard from at blue the Democratic fundraising tool that they raised about twelve million dollars in the first day after that draft opinion was leaked alone.

And yeah, it's important for buoying UH the candidates running in some of these competitive races, but also, Joe, it's helpful for Democrats in spending money in races that might be seen as a reach forcing Republicans to spend some of their war chests on those races in order to deplete the money that they have to spend on vulnerable races or pickup opportunities in their case. So that's what they think is going to be at least one side

effect of this issue. Turnout is a big part of this whole story, right in in an election season that may not have drawn a lot of Democrats to the polls, because my goodness that you know we're we're guilty of this sometimes, Jordans, that the news media writing about how history UH and the issues are going to combine into what you refer to as a wipe out here in

your call. Yeah, and absolutely, and I think we write a joey part because it's it's true that the incumbent party usually takes losses and it have interm election year and this time is no different. And in fact, you know, all the political factors right now are working against Joe Biden and the Democrats, and that's demoralize a lot of Democratic voters. They don't have a whole lot of reason to show up and support their candidates, a lot of

campaign promises unfulfilled, high inflation, Republican attacks. And the view among Biden's advisors is that this gives at least a jolt of energy to some of his voters, that this gives them a changible reason to go out in November and pull the lever or or in some cases you send an envelope to vote for the candidate of their choice. On the Democratic side, halls are on the side of

Democrats on this issue. How come? And in some cases they're overwhelming Jordan's how come that doesn't equal victory in November? Does it bring us back to inflation and a lot of the other stories that we're talking about the head winds for Democrats. That's definitely a big part of the story, Joe, that the economy and inflation remain the number one issues, and the people I talked to don't see that changing.

Even if the Supreme Court goes ahead and repeals essentially Roe v. Wade and ends the federal right to an abortion. That being said, there's other factors too that this issue for a long time has been a bigger motivating factor for Republican voters and conservative voters than Democratic voters. We've seen this on issues across the spectrum, from immigration to

gun some of these more cultural issues. And while the national majority might be on the side of Democrats, there's a more a bigger cohort of voters really motivated a big way by this issue on the conservative side. So, uh, you know, where's the universe of voters who are going to be motivated enough by abortion, for example, to show up to vote. And that's what the Republicans said too, is that this might motivate voters on their side of

the aisle as well and counterbalanced Democrats advantage. You're asking, you know a lot of good questions here, but isn't it interesting that we haven't been hearing much talk about abortion and less asked by Republican lawmakers. And the rally that Donald Trump held over the weekend was Friday in Pennsylvania. You didn't even mention it once. It's a really good point shoe and it's super interesting because this has really been a fifty year project by the conservative movement to

roll back abortion rights. But a lot of office holders realized that this is an unpopular stance among the majority

of Americans. So, uh, while they may be you know, winking, nodding to their base saying we got this done, they don't want to necessarily broadcast it widely to the public to say, you know, hey, we we did this whole effort to you know, it's stall conservative justices on the bench and and repeal Roe v. Wade, And so you're you might not hear them touting this as much on the campaign trail as Democrats are gonna be talking about it.

There's a lot to consider here. With a lot of time left to Jordan, and I wonder what you're hearing from those advisors to the president when they consider the amount of time that is left. That's a lot of ads, that could be a lot of marches on Washington. They actually have time to get creative with this. But then again, Republicans do as well. I guess I just wonder how much of a of an urgency will there be behind

this story come November. It's a great question again. Joe and the way it was put to me about one advisor who I talked to in Biden's operation is that there's gonna be multiple opportunities for them to highlight this issue right after this leak's opinion, of course, also in later in the summer when whenever the opinion comes out. And also they said that another opportunity might be in

the fall with college students. So you don't want some of those young voters that they think this will appeal to, you'll go back to college campuses. You see this as an organizing opportunity, and of course closer to the election of November. So while we're not hearing a whole lot from Joe Biden in the immediate aftermath of this league, it's gonna come up again and again. Jordan's Fabian find his column on the terminal Great insights on Bloomberg's sound.

Will we assemble the panel next? This is Bloomber. You're listening to Bloomberg who sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg. Ready, it's primary day tomorrow West Virginia and Nebraska this week, but Donald Trump was in neither state. Friday night. He was in Pennsylvania, where some consider the real fight to be underway here in part because it will help determine who wins control of the US Senate. The headline by Nark Mark Niquette on the Bloomberg Trump puts gop Cloud

on the line again as Oz seeks edge on McCormick. Indeed, doctor Oz mement Oz in the Senate race against Bridgewater former Bridgewater exact David McCormick. This is one of the most closely watched and most expensive races in the country here and Donald Trump went for it, and not everybody in the crowd loved it, but he was there to make a full throated two fists on the table push for doctor Oz. Here's Trump on Friday. This show is great.

He's in that he's on that screen. He's in the bedrooms of all those women, telling them good and bad, and they love him. He came into a place where we had a lot of women sitting there waiting for something unrelated. They started going crazy, Is that doctor? That's doctor ros As we reassemble the panel, Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis, genie Chaanzano, Rick, I'm guessing you wouldn't have

written the speech that way. Of course, it was not written, but in a in a campaign that's gonna be uh carried out against the backdrop of this Roe v. Wade conversation, How do you think that approach is gonna work? You know, I don't think uh talking to female voters the way that Donald Trump did or has since two thousand and fifteen is particularly effective. But what do I know? I grew up in a Republican party that wanted to recruit women to our party with issues, uh, not with just

attractive candidates. Although I always thought Ronald Reagan was an attractive candidate. But I wouldn't go where Donald Trump did, That's for sure. Dr Roz is up to as I look at the poll of polls from Real Clear Politics, within the margin, I guess you could say here, Jeanie, is is this endorsement going to be tested by David McCormick in a way that changes the sort of appearance that Donald Trump seems to have, the hold he seems to have on the party. You know, it is a

test for Trump. He did, as we've talked about, he did very well in the first big outing in Ohio, UM, particularly with his pick advance. But of course he picked over twenty candidates that one. So he is doing very well. This is a tougher pick for him. UM. And you know, I thought what was interesting is, even though you're right, it's within the margin of era, you have Kathy Barnett right up there, and there is some speculation you know,

potentially McCormick and odds are splitting the vote. But of course, of course with the you know, sort of heightened focus on abortion now, um, and you know whether Kathy Barnett's um. She she put out a four minute video. She's been speaking out about this. She's talked about an exception and when the mother's life is a stake. So there has been some you know, speculation perhaps that has helped her rise in the polls to a certain extent. But it's

going to be close there. That said Donald Trump, UM, so far, his record in in this cycle as it is, is pretty strong. And and you know he if Oz is gonna win, it's gonna be because of that endorsement. Well, this is certainly not going to be just another j D vance like we saw in Ohio. Rick, right, Pennsylvania is a very different state and Republicans are are split on this. When there was booing in the crowd actually every time that Donald Trump mentioned the name Dr Oz

along with a lot of cheers as well. But interesting to see, uh, Mike Pompeo come out against Dr Oz over the weekend because of his dual citizenship with Turkey and suggesting that he'd be a compromised candidate, that Donald Trump picked the wrong name here. You know, I'm not sure he picked the wrong name. He gets to pick whoever he wants. And typically, as you point out, Joe, it's the difference maker, right. It really took jd vance from third place to first by by quite some percentage points,

and and arguably was the reasoning one. There was nothing else happening in that race. This race before Donald Trump even made an endorsement was a dead heat. McCormick and Oz were you know, very close to one another. And and and from what I can tell, the only thing that you could argue for Dr Oz and the Trump endorsement right now is it's given him, you know, three or four percentage points margin of air um. Now, that may be enough to win, but you've got seventy of

the Republican field. And in the latest pull I saw for other candidates on the ballot other than Oz. That's that's not much of a bump from Donald Trump in this race. Now, maybe the demographics and Pennsylvania are different than they are in Ohio. But but if I'm handicapping this thing and Oz does win, but he wins by a little bit, everyone will say, well, that's because Donald Trump endorsed him. If he loses, he's gonna lose by

just a little bit. And I'm not sure Trump's gonna take the heat for that, they'd say, Just imagine how bad it could have been if he hadn't been endorsed by Donald Trump. Of course, David McCormick on the other side of this is, uh, he just took some serious heat from Trump from the podium here at this rally, former Bridgewater Associates executive, isn't it Donald Trump? Pick apart David McCormick. Just to get a sense of how this is coming the message coming from the other side, here's

Donald Trump again. You know that he was with a company that managed money for communist China. And he is absolutely the candidate of special interests and globalists and the Washington establishment. And those are the people that are not only spending millions and millions of dollars on his campaign.

They have unlimited money to just try and destroy OS, which is pretty remarkable genius since a one of those people he's talking about used to work for him, used to work for Donald Trump, and they were helping to support the McCormick campaign. Some of them still are. They are, including McCormick's wife, Dina Powell. So you know, Trump, you know, didn't mention that. Shockingly, um, you know, I think you know what what's really important here is that what Donald

Trump is doing is unprecedented. Can you imagine any other former president, particularly one who lost, who didn't just exit stage left, but in fact has gone on to reshape his party in the way Trump has win or lose for the rest of these races. He has an indelible impact on this party. And this is what McConnell and other more centrist Republicans fear, because you know, we are looking at a mid term in which all Democrats want to talk about his Trump and all Republicans want to

talk about his Biden. So whoever wins that race, ironically to who gets the most focused, is probably going to do better than expect it. And so you know, this is the reality, if you know, the number that has astounded me is that Trump has outraised the Republican National Committee in the last six months, one every day, except to imagine that from a former president. It's astounding what he has done here. Rick Davis, as I mentioned, one issue that did not come up in the address was abortion.

Ro Vie Wade. Wasn't that something that this president would want to take credit for following his Supreme Court appointments? You know, you would think he would. Um, he has been grappling Donald Trump has with his historical support for choice per for running for president, and I'm sure it's not the issue that he particularly wants to spend time discussing. Uh. He's delivered for the pro life community, no doubt about it,

and that's really his point all along. I'm not going to walk in those shoes, but I can deliver for the people who are in them. And and by stacking the court the way he as, he's given the opportunity for having this happen. But I would say there are a lot of issues he likes to talk about, mostly his hair and toilets and things like that. Um. But but he's never really liked uh talking about abortion, and I wouldn't be surprised if he spends very little time

on it himself. Obviously, there are a lot of Organs in the party who are going to shout about this issue, but it probably won't be Donald Trump. We haven't heard that much shouting though, typically one question, and we've there's been a lot of reporting on the talking points and how this is being hashed out in media. It was certainly present on the Sunday morning talk shows. Uh here, Jeanie.

But what does that tell you, the fact that it's not being embraced by Republicans who are running what does that tell you about the conversation that's going to be had on the campaign trail here? Democrats can't get to it fast enough. Yeah, we've heard some grumbling that the Sunday talk show hosts were unable to book a senator from the Republican side because they didn't want to talk about this. I mean, Lindsay Graham went on Fox, but you know for the other shows that they couldn't get

a Republican out there. Um, And you know, I think it speaks to the fact that they are uncertain as to how this is going to play, and they are smart about that, which is why, of course Mitch McConnell statement over the weekend was so astonishing to so many of us, because he actually verbalized that, you know, there was a possibility that the Republicans, if they took the Senate, could pursue and and the House obviously could pursue legislation

outline or banning abortion on a nationwide level. I mean, that's absolutely astonishing for Mitch McConnell because Republicans have been reluctant to talk about this, and you know, I just want to follow up on what and what Rick said. You know, Trump's not the only one who's had a trouble grappling with abortion in his career, so is Biden. The pro choice community has been frustrated that Biden has never really fully embraced the pro choice line, and that's

partly because, of course he's famously a developed cathlicks. So this is a tough issue on both sides for these meth boy Rick. The vote is teed up for Wednesday. Chuck Schumer says every member of the Senate will be called up or down on this. He does not have the votes, as we know here what a single Republican vote with the Democrats on this. You know, I don't think it's likely. Everything I've heard, Uh, Susan Collins, I think uh indicated she wasn't gonna go there. I would

be surprised if Sender Murkowski went there. There are only a few opportunities for Democrats pick up a vote on here and and and they realize it's just it's it's strictly symbolic, uh, and and not even particularly symbolics. Since Democrats won't even be altogether on their own, It's highly likely that Democrats can't count on Joe Manchin to support this. So uh, everyone's talking about getting the sixty, oh, you know, the philipbus. They're not going to get the fifty. And

that is a different problem for the Democrats. You've heard it from Brick Davis and g. D. Chanzino are signature panel here on Bloomberg Sound on Great conversation. It's only Monday. We'll meet you back here tomorrow with more on all of this, Jo Matthew and Washington. Thanks to Angela Stanford being with us and Jordan's baby and as well the fastest hour in PABA. This is Bloomberg