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with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The general election is on. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as the campaigns leave Labor Day behind and drive toward November. Will be joined after a busy weekend on the trail by Barbara Perry from the University of Virginia's Miller Center to get

the lay of the land. With nine weeks to election day later, a new prime Minister at ten Downing Street, We'll talk to Bloomberg's Flavia Kraus Jackson about the challenges facing Liz Trust and the relationship that she'll have with President Biden. We hear they just spoke our signature panelways in on all of our stories. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick

Davis and Jeanie Chanzano with us for the hour. It was a busy Labor Day on the campaign trail, as we knew it would be, with both President Biden and former President Donald Trump driving both sides in rallies and events. Over the course of Labor Day, Joe Biden picked up right where he left off in last week's Soul of the Nation speech. Is that what we're gonna call it in Philadelphia? I'm going with that here he is in Milwaukee.

The extreme Maga Republicans and Congress have chosen to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate and division. He tried, though, to answer critics of his speech last week, and god knows we heard all from a lot of them over the last couple of days. A little more careful over the weekend to speak to what he calls mainstream Republicans. Listen, I want to be very clear upfront, not every Republican as a Maga Republican. Not every Republican embraces that extreme

Alley ideology. I know because I've been able to work with mainstream Republicans of my whole career. But the extreme Maga. Republicans and Congress have chosen to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate and division. But together we can and we must choose a different path forward. Interesting to hear the speech evolve since Thursday night in front of Independence Hall, washedon read Donald Trump. Well, it's Donald Trump. He did not pull back at all when he rallied supporters in Wilkes.

Barry spoke for an extended period of time. Here's the former president. Joe Biden came to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to give the most vicious, hateful, and divisive speech ever delivered by an American president. He shared a stage with Dr Oz and Doug Mastriana. We'll hear more of what Donald Trump had to say later this hour. But yes, the general election begins, and today we get the view of Barbara Perry, director of Presidential Studies at the University of Virginia's Miller Center. Barbara,

thank you for being here. Neither Joe Biden or Donald Trump are on the ballot, of course in nine weeks. But how much impact can either of them have on the actual outcome of these elections? Well, first all, great to be with you. I think they can have a lot of impact we know that Donald Trump remains the figure and the Republican Party. Whether he's supported by all members is another story. I think about fifty percent of Republicans polled have said they would prefer to have someone

else at the top of the ticket. But until that era begins, we're in the mid terms and he is the voice of the Republican Party right now, so he will have an impact. And obviously the president of the United States always has some imp act on the mid terms for his party and how it does in Congress

and the congressional races around the country. Usually the story is about the negative impact they have and how candidates are duck in the the incumbent, And I know we've had some examples of that, Barbara, how much does history matter this time? Have have things become so different in politics that it's it's difficult to look back on prior midterms when the the typical narrative is, you know, the

party of the incumbent loses. I'm not indicating that that won't happen and that that precedent, which does, as you say, tend to be the norm where the president's party will lose seats in both houses and in this instance, because they're so narrowly divided, could lose one or both houses. I'm not saying that history will not repeat, but it's hard now to make claims based on history because I

think we're in unprecedented times. The very fact, for example, that we do have Donald Trump having such an impact I believe, on the party and on the media, and and on people who really do support him, and on choosing candidates to run for the Senate in the House, Uh, that's fairly unprecedented. So I think that we are in a time where it's hard to make predictions. But what's interesting to talk about is how different things are now.

It is hard to make predictions, And you know, it's interesting. We're Bloomberg. We love data, and I'm just looking at uh, five thirty eight and Real Clear the polls of polls, if you will, at five thirty eight and their methods a little bit different. Here, Democrats slightly favored to win the Senate, Republicans favored to win the House. When I look at the general election generic congressional vote at Real Clear Politics, it's there's no spread. It's one tenth of

one percent in favor of Democrats. But that's when you're in it. You're when you're in a changing environment and evolving environment, things feel like they're changing pretty quickly one way or the other. Here, Barbara, it's pretty difficult to get your arms around what's actually happening in the moment,

isn't it? Well, it is. And that's why we have tended, especially those of us in the political science realm, try to look back at history and look back at previous data to say, well, is that predictive, or look at

the current data and say that is predictive. But because things are so polarized right now and so evenly divided, as we know in presidential races and in congressional races, that I do think what Mitch McConnell said, and I think in a very realistic way, is that if we look at this generic poll about do you prefer the Democrats Republicans to run Congress, that's not going to get down to the nitty gritty, to the granular level of as McConnell said, Senate races or statewide very different kinds

of candidates as opposed to the people who are running for the House, which is exactly what the founders knew when they gave a two year term to members of the House in a six year term, two members running across the state for the Senate. Well, so should we be looking at you know, should we be looking at

national trends or is it just not that simple? This is gonna be districts by district in the way that people are making their decisions with everything from inflation to row uh, to crime and all the other issues were told are going to decide this election. Well, I think the latter part is true. I think it's a truism that these issues will decide, it's just where will they decide?

And so maybe if I could use the World War One analogy that the House races are going to be the trenches, okay, and you're gonna have people firing across barbed wire, fighting inch by inch for the territory. Uh. And in some ways the Senate races across the state are sort of like the Cold War and and they're sort of the nuclear age. Uh. And so it's you needed seat step back and see the big picture, because maybe the whole planet is at stake if we get

a nuclear holocaust. So maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but I do think it comes down to that, but that these general questions about issues across the board, whether in a district or in a date or across the country, we have to say, for example, given what happened in Kansas, we know abortion is going to be an issue. Given the poll that showed people cared about democracy, and we're so worried about democracy, that's got to be an issue coming out of j six. But on people's pocketbook, issues

that will tend to sway a house race. What they're paying at the grocery, what they're paying for clothing, and

what they're pain and rent could make the difference. We're spending time with Barbara Perry from the University of Virginia's Miller Center, I have to admit, when I stepped back and and just think about the last week, having seen Joe Biden in Philadelphia, UH and in some of his speeches just before that at fundraisers, and then seeing Donald Trump on stage with Dr Oz and dog Manstriano, looking at the way they're caught up and playing on social media,

being binged myself on Twitter. Over the course of the weekend. It feels like the presidential four race, aventually is starting at exactly the same time, do you have that feeling? Well, I do if both of those men end up being at the top of the ticket. And that's not a given at this point, but it does feel like that more so than I will tell you. Um, my father took me to see in the mid term elections of

nineteen sixty two. He took me to the Louisville Airport to see former President Eisenhower coming through Louisville, Kentucky to campaign for the Senate. We had a Senate candidate up at that time and who was running for re election, and we had a Republican who was running for the House to try to defeat the Democrat and he did. Um, but we knew that Eisenhower wasn't going to run for president again. UM. So my dad just wanted us to see,

in his mind as a World War Two hero. You know, my dad was a World War Two it so he wanted us to see the World War Two hero and the former president. My mother, two years before it taken us to see Senator John Kennedy running for president. So I come by this very naturally. But you know, we we didn't think that, as I say, that Eisenhower was

going to be running again. So the fact that you've got to this is more like the Grover Cleveland era, where you've got a former president who is going to sit out a term and then wants to get a second term non consecutive. Um, it's going to be more like that. We don't know for sure whether Joe Biden will run or will get the nomination, but if we would say that the election were the nominations were held today, I think you'd say those two men would be at

the top of the tickets. So that's what it feels like the right the presidential race, and you have to act like they're gonna run, right. Both of them have to project this for different reasons right now. But we've got a presidential debate set for June. Barbara, how long do they actually have before they have to decide publicly? Oh? I think well. I think that certainly that Trump has decided that that he will run, and he's talked about that, and so I think that's a given. I can't see

that he will step beside um. And for Biden, I think that, first of all, as you point out, he has a reason. He doesn't want to be seen as a lame duck and so I think that he would like to run. I think the only thing that prevents him from running is just illness. You know, if he should have an illness, that would overtake him given his age and his medical background. Ground um. But otherwise I think his how it is in the ring as well. Boy. At a certain point, though, you've got to clear the

decks right, let people know what's going on here. And I'm deeply curious to see how long it will be after the mid terms before we get Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump on the record here instead of teasing all the time. Barbara, thank you for joining us. It's a great conversation with Barbara Perry, director of Presidential Studies

at the University of Virginia's Miller Center. We thought a great opportunity to look at this race or race is of course all over the country through the eyes of the White House, this administration and the prior one, because these are the two newsmakers, if you will, who are driving the conversation for better or worse on the trail. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is sound on the

fastest hour in politics. Will assemble our panel next. They're both here our signature panel, Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis with their take on a big weekend on the campaign trail. We'll check traffic and markets for you on the way as well. Thanks for joining us. I'm Joe matt Again. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On on

Bloomberg Radio. As my mother used to say, all new rules after Labor Day, and that is the spirit of mid term election campaigns taken on a different tone, starting to spend money. Now the ads are running and it is on to November and Joe Matthew welcome to sound On exclusively on Bloomberg Radio. Although I do encourage you to subscribe to the podcast, it will improve your lifestyle. As we assemble our panel, our signature panel back in

place with Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. Did you wake up after Labor Day, Rick, just with that old feeling in mind, like you wanted to get on the campaign trail. There's something in the air. Yeah, I thought I was supposed to be in New Hampshire. I mean it wasn't even cold yet. Yeah. No, we're in season. I mean we got a couple more clean up, including New Hampshire's primary, which is the last one on September thirteenth.

But uh, yeah, it's showtime now. I mean, this stuff is getting real, and I think Joe Biden did a pretty good job of ushering that in with the approach that he took. Yeah, we didn't talk to you after the big speech in Philadelphia, Rick, was that the beginning? Really at that point is you know, he he certainly stirred up the pot. He got people very upset, Republicans offended. It was the debate that lasted all weekend, and then we of course heard from Donald Trump. Is Joe Biden

leading the conversation right now? Yeah? He is. Um. You know, typically you want your candidate to find a time and a place where he could lay out the stakes of the election. This is what it means to you, voters. This is the lineup that you're going to have in the future to choose. Look through this prism and you will be able to make the right decision. He did that in his speech. Uh and uh And the reality has Trump's been reacting to it ever since, and and

not really reacting substantively, but just an anger. Jennie what did you think after hearing Don Trump and seeing Donald Trump on Saturday? Uh, you know, getting back to the Trump is UM's getting back to the insults, the name calling, that kind of thing. I mean, he went through all of them. He did Polka haunt this, he did the watermelon head for for Congressman shift did Thursday with President

Biden seem so severe after being reminded what Donald Trump does. Yeah, I mean, you know, I read Biden speech Thursday as trolling Trump, and Trump played right into it. I mean, at some point you've got to wonder is Donald Trump working for Joe Biden? Because this is exactly what he keeps doing, stepping into it, stepping into it big, and it is doing everything to make the case that Joe Biden wants to make that this is an out of

control aspect of the Republican Party. If you vote for them, we go right back to the chaos of don't do it. You know, voters are looking for a change, They want to vote against Democrats, and Republicans like Trump are doing everything to make them do the opposite. That's a problem for Republicans. Mitch McConnell and other Republicans know that, But Donald Trump doesn't seem to care. Well, let's talk about Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell a little bit more, because

he went there on Saturday night, wilkes Bury. Uh, And I wanted for the next I've got a couple of pieces of the speech that I want you both to react to. Not so much about what Donald Trump is saying, but listen to the crowd here and in this case, when he says Mitch McConnell's name, listen, a guy like Mitch McConnell, who allowed this stuff to happen should be scorned. He should be scored. Election was rigged and soul in and now our country is being destroyed by people who

got into office through cheating and through fraud. Now watch the cameras will all turn off as soon as I say that, because they're not allowed to put that off. Not really how that worked out, Rick. But in the case of Mitch McConnell, he's being booed as loudly as Hillary Clinton in this speech. Yeah. No, Look, I mean it's pretty clear that MAGA is not his friend, and they never have been, even when President Trump was in office.

He uh challenged Mitch McConnell's leadership constantly. Uh. But then again he challenges his own secretaries of State and secretaries of of Defense and attorney general the same way. So look, there's there's not a structure in place that Donald Trump doesn't want to take on because he's the anti structure. He's anti leadership, he's anti control. So, um, I think

this is just more the same. I would say Mitch just keeps his head down, he doesn't engage with him, he doesn't troll and uh and and he puts his money where his mouth is. He's running ads in states that uh some have Trump uh nominees and some don't. So um, you know, he's just playing out his game to try and become the leader. You know, Hillary Clinton's name did come up, Genie, and we got the full lock herrupt chant as the president. The former president talked

about the emails well, complaining about the search of Mara Lago. Uh. How many years does this go on? Are we really we're still having this conversation? Oh? I think it goes on as long as Donald Trump is there. He also gave up electric cars, wind turbines. He talked about Mitch McConnell than he did better than he did you know, his own candidates that he was there to talk about. It just fascinating to me how long Hillary Clinton can remain you know, the foil. It doesn't matter how many

years passed. But I want you to listen to this next one, Genie, the president of the United States, former President Donald Trump, talking about the funding for the war in Ukraine. Listen, you know we just sent another thirteen billion dollars. Do you create that gets us close to eighty billion dollars? Well there's another boom. Well, it angers me more for a different reason. It would have never happened before Putin knew he wouldn't have done it. He said, Vladimir,

you're not gonna do it. At Vladimir, you knew that. He knew it. He knew it. Well, we don't know about that, genie. But what do you make of the crowd booing at billions of dollars for Ukraine? Is that the beginning of the split here in the Republican Party on war funding? You know, I do think we have to be careful about judging too much based off these crowds. You know, Donald Trump's candidates himself, they get about they don't get much more. They're still widespread support for funding

and helping the Ukraine battle Russia. That said, I do think this is something particularly if energy costs keep rising, particularly if Europe has the energy crisis we expected does this winter, that there may be a decrease in some of the support for funding. But you know he's not making a serious case of that. What he's basically saying is if I was president, none of this would have happened. And of course we know that's not true. If that's a cell line, Rick, what does that tell us about

the Republican Party in this story? Well, he's the same crowd that food getting COVID vaccine. So you I think that tells you everything you need to know about that crowd, got it? Rick Davis, dni Chanzano. Our signature panel will return as we turn to what happened today at ten Downing Street. How about it a new prime minister and we'll discuss it straight ahead on the fastest hour in politics of Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg Prime Ministers Trust

stands before number ten Downing with a message. Here she is I'm honored to take on this responsibility at a vital time for our country. What makes the United Kingdom. Great is our fundamental belief in freedom, in enterprise, and in fair play. Our people have shown grit, courage and determination time and time again, and so here we go. Reports say she has spoken with or may still be speaking to, Joe Biden. Gott to be exhausted after this

day meeting with the Queen. The whole thing we heard from Boris Johnson, who's going to start putting up billboards that say missed me yet, And we get to talk about it with Flavia Across Jackson, Bloomberg's managing editor for US Politics and Government, who's kind to take a moment for us here. Flavia, thanks for joining us. I make a joke there, but there is something to be said for that, right is is the best thing that's happened to Boris Johnson's reputation in a few weeks. I mean,

I don't know. I mean Boris Johnson was You can say what you want about him, but he was jolly good fun um and I'm sure Biden and he shared quite a few laughs. I'm not quite sure he's going to have the same with list Trust, who's you know, very very different and far more serious socially, quite awkward um and potentially far more conservative. Um. So you know, Will always has to be careful about during the end of Boris because you never know what's coming around the corner.

Uh and Liszt. Trust could prove to be quite tricky on things like exits, um, among other things. How about like heating homes. That's going to be a big part of the immediate challenge here is getting through winter. Bloomberg had a really important story today on Trust's plan to help tackle energy bills. Is that issue number one for her? Oh? Absolutely? I mean honestly, if you can ever think of the worst times become prime minister in in in the UK, it would be this one. I mean, what's in her

entray is just absolutely shocking. Um. The economy is in the toilet, the cost of living um. I mean if there was an election now, she would probably lose it. Um. So you know that the big thing is that right now she was anaptical on election four. So technically she's got two years. But as he has seen with the conservative bunch, you know, if you don't turn it around, they get rid of you, and they get rid of you in ways that are quite brutal. As Boris Johnson. Yeah, boy,

they really do. I mean it's just incredible for Americans to watch. But Flavia, what will make Liz trust more conservative than Boris Johnson? What is it that you see ahead well? I mean, for example, on on the Brexit stuff. I mean, she's very interesting on that because if you go back a little bit back into thousand and sixteen and all these conservatives are trying to work out, you know, which side of the Pensilan they were going to go.

She was a remainder. I she was anti Brexit, but boy that she turned that around when we saw that the referendum went a certain way and she became a real zeal at, a real concert. And now you could say that, you know, she's even more of a brexit here, uh than even Johnson was. So one of the things that obviously you officials are very concerned about, and the Biden administration as well, is whether she is going to rip up the so called Northern Ireland Protocol. I mean

he's put up very simply. I mean, it took years to get just the right balance um with with with Brexit, and you know, the Brid's got a bit of fum deal. But what was arranged was that you weren't going to try and jetterdize a Good Friday Agreement which was essentially what you know, prevented you know, decades of violence between Northern Ireland and the rest of and and and the and something that Joe Biden feels very strongly about. Absolutely,

you nailed it. I mean, he is a proud irishman, um and this is something that he gets about very very deeply, and that we've written about um And so he you know, he scolded Johnson said do not mess around with the Good Friday Agreement. So here he's come, He's got Truss coming in saying, well, you know what, am I ripped it up? So I mean, I'm sure this has come up in the conversation, which I presumably

presuming is ongoing. So that's something that's going to make the Biden in station slightly like take a bit of a guarded approach. I mean, the UK US relationship is is just not as special and trust herself. Last year UM at an event, so they said, you know what, we're we don't punter. Remember how she described it. Essentially she used language the tune of like we're no longer

the sort of the teenage girl who wants invited the invited. Um. And and that's a very interesting way of looking at that relationship because the parts are absolutely obsessed with it at the times of Ronnie and and and Maggie. Um. But the honest in truth that relationship just hasn't been as strong when it comes to the personalities and their

affinity and you know, and the backslapping. Um. So I can't image imagine Biden and Trust being the best of friends, but I can imagine them needing each other for things like China and Ukraine where to a politically, um, they're quite that they're on the same way. Thanks, Flavia, come back and see us again. I'm the leading you can in some time with this flavy across. Jackson helps to run the politics and government team for Bloomberg and dialed in on what's happening on the other side of the

ocean here. I'd love to hear quickly from both of our panelists on this today, Genie. This is a pretty big deal, as we heard, though there could be some some daylight between Joe Biden and Liz Trust on some issues. Is this going to be a good relationship? We hope it's going to be but you know, talk about not having a honeymoon. She is coming into challenges that are going to make this, you know, such a difficult time

for her. And the relationship with the Biden administration and the Good Friday Agreement we're just talking about those things are still you know, things that we're gonna have to watch and see what happens. This is somebody who you know, people describe as a shape shifter politically, and so we'll have to see where she comes out on some of these issues. I can't imagine she starts, uh, fooling around

with a Good Friday Agreement. Right now in the offset here, Rick, there's a war in Ukraine going on, there's an energy crisis as well. Can Joe Biden keep her kind of in in that lane for now and and and keep her as a reliable part of the Ukrainian alliance? Yeah? I think what what the White House is probably looking for stability. I mean, they haven't had any in that

relationship in the last month. And uh, and yet you're right, there are certain priorities that they want to see her address Ukraine, probably for the US being top of that list. But she of course has to look domestically and make sure that whatever ruling coalition she has sticks with her. I think Flavia did a great job of talking about the fact that she's got a two year lease in life on on her her her job. But the Conservative

Party could throw her out tomorrow if they're unhappy. What a way to make a living politics and the fastest hour Here. This is sound On on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. Rick and Jenie are right back as we reassemble the panel with some important news on the Mara a Lago documents in the investigation into Donald Trump. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg Radio. So the Special Master has been approved may not end

that way. The Department of Justice can still appeal, many expect it will. But indeed Donald Trump got the clear from a federal judge to have a neutral third party review the documents seized by the FBI from Mara Lago a special master, which, as we've discussed, is inherently redundant because the Justice Department already has a filter team made

up of third party members for this very purpose. Whomever this uh special Master is, he or she is going to have to have quite the security clearance to spend time going through the documents. Here, let's reassemble the panel for their take on this, Rick Davis and Jeanie Chanzano or here Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rickett was fascinating the fascinating

to hear from former Attorney General Bill Barr today. He is talking about this on Fox and basically lays out a scenario in which this is nothing but us a stall tactic. He says, it doesn't really change anything in

the case. Listen to Bill Bar. The fundamental dynamics of the case are set, which is, the government has very strong evidence of what it really needs to determine whether charge is appropriate, which is government documents were taken, classified information was taken and not handled appropriately, and uh they are looking into and there's some evidence to suggest that they were deceived and and none of that really relates to the content of documents. It's interesting, Rick, He's saying

that basically it doesn't matter what they found. The classification of these documents and the way they were handled is the issue. So does the GEO the d o J appeal this or just let it ride. Well, I think earlier in the interview. Um, you know, former Attorney General Barr said he would definitely appeal. He suggested that that's a no brainer for the thought they'd win, actually right, and thought they'd win. So Uh, he felt this was really a deeply flawed decision. I mean he was he

was slamming this decision. I mean, for a former attorney general to weigh in on an issue with the his boss at at stake is just really phenomenal. And I think he's made good use of his voice. Uh. And I couldn't imagine a better place to do it than on Fox. Is this kind of just old fashioned Trump legal maneuvering here, just on a really grand stage, Genie. You know, I should say Bill Barr is really in line with most legal scholars, many of whom are throwing

their hands up at this decision. And you know, Donald Trump had a right to ask for this, his team had a right to ask for it. But the reality is the fact that it was granted makes almost no sense legally. And you can look through conservative liberal all of the people, it's very very difficult to find legal scholars who are supporting this decision. The reality is this is material that Donald Trump and no person out of

office has a right to have at their home. He admits it is at their home his home, and he had no right to it, So why a special master. So from almost every perspective, Bill Barr isn't keeping with what many people are saying, and they're saying it sets a bad precedent. The problem for the do o J Is, of course, we're coming closer and closer to an election. What do you do if this extends out that much further? And that's what makes the idea of an appeal hard

for them. The idea of executive privilege is also a difficult one here Rick as a former president tries to claim executive privilege from a sitting president basically, And there are a lot of folks thinking this is going to the Supreme Court? Are you one of them? Um? You know it could go to the Supreme Court. I'm not sure what issue would drive it to the Supreme Court.

And I think we've got some time. I mean, Will Bar called this a rain delay, you know in baseball metaphor, and I and I think the reality is the Justice Apartment is not gonna indict anybody that could affect the election, you know, within sixty days the election, so we're we're there, and so this is I think going to be something that plays itself out over the long term, but really

post election, so a delayed tactic, genie. Uh, do Democrats keep hitting them on this on the campaign trail because it sounds like Donald Trump bought himself some time for his own message to survive November. You know, I think this works, you know, four Democrats if we're talking politically and on the campaign trail, because the more Trump, the more he's in the news, the better. The problem is legally, and you know, you raise a really important point on

executive privilege. The Supreme Court at some point is going to have to define how far this extends. Most legal scholars say after you leave the presidency that privilege is ended. And of course Joe Biden weighed in on the fact that this wasn't privileged, and yet in the decision, the judge said he hadn't been clear on that. So there may be some things that have to be resolved like that, either at the appellate or the Supreme Court all but

as we know, that takes time. Again, this helps Democrats in terms of the election, but what it doesn't help is in terms of legal decision making in this country, and that I think is a real problem what this sort of portends going forward for other people. Similarly situated

Hillary Clinton on Twitter earlier today. And I remember earlier this hour as I mentioned the Hillary Clinton line that got the big lock her up chant at the Trump rally Saturday night in Wilkes Barre, and he talked about, you know, what is this his own issue here with the FBI compared to the thirty emails Hillary Clinton rights just a few hours ago. It's a little bit of a threat. I can't believe we're still talking about this but my emails. As Trump problems continue to mount, the

right is trying to make this about me again. There's even a Clinton standard. The fact is I had zero emails that were classified. She goes on to tweet call me admitted he was wrong after he claimed I had classified emails. So that's one thing she clearly wants to to set aside. Trump's own State Department, under two different secretaries, found I had no classified emails. By contrast, Trump has hundreds of documents clearly marked classified and the investigation just started.

And then she links to a website here if you're interested in the facts and so forth. I don't know what year it is sometimes Rick when when we're talking about Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. But I guess she had to say something with regard to all of this, uh and stay in the news while she's at it. Is this a win for Hillary Clinton today? No, this disaster.

I mean, like to nied Tony and I I mean, like the fact that Hillary Clinton is back in the narrative is a reminder why she didn't win the presidency against him in two thousand. She right that these are different cases. Though these are different cases, but the fact that she's getting into his case is an indication of her sensitivity to what Donald Trump says. And I think we should have learned a long time ago. You can't be in sensitive to Donald Trump. You got to ignore

the guy. And the reality is she's now putting herself in the middle of this story, and that's what he was looking for. The one thing he wants is to engage her in a public you know, display of affection kind of you know, his his his form of it. And so now it just empowers him to come back and do some more Hillary Clinton bashing. I mean, she is a nonentity for for Democrats to to turn out votes. And and she's just given fire to him to be able to rally up his group and get a few

more lock her ups at his next rally. Well, yeah, I guess that's uh, that's the case, Genie. Is it important to delineate between these two cases though, since you're gonna hear Donald Trump prefer to Hillary Clinton as long as this is alive, yeah, he will. And she, to Rick's point, should not take the bait. I mean, this is the same thing he's taking Biden's bait, she's taking his bait. She should be quiet on this. And the

reality is these are two completely separate issues. For one, Donald Trump took to his home that was not sick cure, these these papers that belong to the government and are confidential, then for a year when he was asked to return them, did not return them. He admits to all that that's a far cry from what Hillary Clinton was accused even of doing. And you know, but politically this doesn't help her and it doesn't help Democrats. She should stay out

of the fray, let him talk and not respond. And and you know she's had trouble doing that and that works to his benefit, and he'll keep going at r at this point. Yeah, this is part of the stump speech, right, Rick, I mean, we're gonna hear her name every time Donald Trump's at a podium between now and I don't know when. Yeah, I mean, and and by the way, that's been the case for a long time. The difference here is you actually heard her respond and and not just a rookie mistake.

But at the end of the day, Look, a lot of people have checked out on Donald Trump, right, I mean, the reason he's got a favorability rating, blow fort is because the rest of the country has moved on. They're not relitigating the last election. They're not worried about, you know, Hillary Clinton's emails. And yet this is how he keeps

in the news. And the fact that we're spending all this time talking about him and the charges city makes that have no bearing in reality is exactly what he wants us to do, which is which is on all of us here in of course, the media. I've got one more story for you now that I've got you both together here. Big news from Russia today with another round of sanctions against America and uh, none other than on this list. There's a couple of actors on this list,

including this one justin let him have it all. There's some tasty ebbs, cool buzz, Jeff Spiccoli targeted by Vladimir Putin, Sean Penn of course, also Ben Stiller. These are the two so Zoolander and Speccoli have been sanctioned by Vladimir Putin, along with UH five citizens permanently banned from entering the country. Here it includes senators and analysts at a couple of think tanks. Uh rick. How do they write up these

lists here? I mean, are they just kind of throwing darts or do they think they where This is really going to get the Americans when they find out Sean Penn is on this list, We're getting close to home. I thought cannabis was illegal in Moscow. I mean, you know, there's clearly some serious dope smoking in the Kremlin going on. Wow. I mean I actually was wondering why on you know, TV last night were they were they showing fast times at Ridgemont High. Now I know it was all because that.

I don't even need to turn up the sound. And Ben Stiller, really, Genie, I mean, I actually he he at least went over there. They both have I think, to meet with President Zelenski. But like, who's informing this conversation here? Is it? Is it Dennis Rodman? Did he make his way over there to free Brittney Grinder? What what world are we in? That's right? Who boy, could you have against Greg Fokker? One of the best and

you really shouldn't attack him. And of course they both did visit, and you know, um, I was just walking meet watching Meet the parents and the other day it's a mostly I don't know what Vladimir Putin has against him. Oh my god, that's a good one. Producer Christine says Baccoli cannot enter Russia anyway without a shirt or shoes, no dice. Thanks to the panel, Rick and Genie. Great to have everyone back together on the fastest hour in politics.

Will have details on the Massachusetts primary tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg.