Sound On: Manchin Ends Permitting Bid, Election Meddling

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gonna pinpoint which items will make the cut. We saw the text today, but it will look different by the time it finally gets through the grinder. Mia mc guinness of the Committee for a Responsible Budget is with us. In just a moment later, we introduce you to Bloomberg's new election denier tracker, joined by Bloomberg's national politics reporter Ryan Teague beckwith to identify which states in this midterm election cycle are most vulnerable to political election interference, and

important conversation you won't want to miss. Our signature panelists here to dive even deeper. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are with us for the hour. Senator Joe Manchion makes a hail Mary pass on his energy permitting bill that's upset the left and the rights somehow, as as part of a stop gap funding bill that needs to be figured out by Friday. We've told you about this. They're going through the motions here, going through

the votes, with this apparently set to fail. We're gonna find out shortly on that. Bloomberg reporting that Mansion has toned down his energy bill ahead of this vote, acting proposed changes to an environmental law that would make it

harder for states to block the construction of pipelines. This is kind of a last minute sweetener that does not appear to be changing the vote count too much here, of course, Chuck Schumer, we better remember this was part of a deal, right, the Inflation Reduction Actor, the I r A, as the Wanks call it, was worked out behind closed doors between Joe Mansion and Chuck Schumer, the Majority Leader. Part of that deal was this, that this permitting bill gets done and also brings a pipeline to

West Virginia. But the votes just aren't there, and Joe Mansion thinks it's political retribution. This was Chuck Schumer when he was asked about it at a briefing just a couple of days ago. Permitting Reform is part of the I R A, and I intend to add it to the cr and get it done. Yes, are there any circumstances whatsoever that that could be taken out of the series.

I'm just getting saying, I'll say it for two weeks in one day next, okay, and at a couple more days, and it doesn't look like it's going to be in there for much longer. It's not only Republicans who are saying no to this, and of course Joe Mansion, as we've told you, needs ten to make this happen, at

least ten because some Democrats are not on board. Listen to Senator Tim Kine today who was speaking passionately against this idea, particularly because of the pipeline that would not only go through West Virginia, but his own state of Virginia. These pipeline programs require the use of eminent domain, So you are taking people's property to build these pipeline projects. And if the government is going to take people's property,

we ought to have a process that's fair. Okay, Enter the Minority Leader Mitch McConnell for the Republican side of this, going so far as to call it a poison pill. The poison pill is a phony attempt to address an important topic of permitting reform. It is much too difficult to build things in America, an unleash American energy. Liberal regulations and red tape are a huge, huge part of the problem. That's why our Republicans are the leaders on

this issue. That's why my colleague Senator capital Is introduced a strong, robust package. It would actually move the ball forward. What are democratic colleagues have produced is a phony fig leaf. It would actually set back the cause of real permitting reform. Well, I've got news for you. The poison pill or a fig leaf, it's not gonna matter because it just came out.

We are bringing you the first draft of history. Of course, every day on sound On with headlines on the terminal, Chuck Schumer saying on the floor he has agreed to take the Mansion bill out of the stop gap, and this follows word from Mansion himself released the following statement just before this happen. It is unfortunate that members of the Senator allowing politics to put energy security of our

nation at risk. He refers to Vladimir Putin continuing to weaponize energy and says, I've asked, because we are on the brink of a government shutdown over politics, I've asked Majority Leader Schumer to rever remove the permitting language from the CR. We vote on this evening. So do they just grease the skids we bring in? Maya McGinnis, what timing with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget? Maya? Here we are it changed while you were dialing the phone.

The permitting bill is not going to be in the final version? Is the rest going to stay in? So yeah, that's some breaking news. Um, the rest of what's in the CR. I think that they now know what's going to be passible in the CR, right, and so I think they're not going to have a problem passing that. UM, And they will probably have some aid in there for Ukraine,

but it's going to be pretty full. This does not mean there's not going to be a showdown in mid December, because remember, this only gets us through guarantees one doesn't these will re emerge absolutely. I mean it was always going to play out that way, that we don't get anything done until the last minute, and that's when everything

gets thrown in um. But it is going to be high stakes because Center Mansion felt that he had a real agreement on this permitting and I believe he believed that Republicans who did support the notion of permitan reform thought this was their best chance of getting something done, and so he was pretty optimistic not that long ago, and he is going to be frustrated. I have no doubt that it's had to be pulled at this time.

Congressman Chuck Fliceman was on with US yesterday at this time Republican from Tennessee, who made it clear that a similar bill, maybe a little more abroad, maybe a little more fossil fuel friendly, with a different name on it, would get Republican support, and they just roll up their own version after the mid terms. Uh, they may but then they're not going to have the Democratic support. So the question Joe man is not going to vote for it, right, Well,

I'm not sure about that. Joe Manson is one of the least partisan members there are, so this is obviously politics right where right before November. This is a bill that a lot of Republicans are interested and they should generally be supporting as much as they can get, but it will be a political win that they presumably don't

want to afford the Democrats. But I don't see how it's going to a likelihood of it passing after the midterms is much more likely unless who knows all the different pieces that go into a December end of the year catch all. The one thing I know is it's going to be expensive and it's not going to be paid for. And that's what makes me my heart leap when I think about what a mess the end of the end of the year bill in December could be.

And the one other thing I'd like to just throw out, we are doing all of this because Congress never passed the budget this year. Once again, Congress is ending a fiscal year never having passed the budget, and that should be something that everybody is more frustrated about it is ridiculous. It seems like we were on the way to doing that at one point, but maybe I had a weird dream, uh, Maya. But to talk about what else is in this bill?

To your point, Ukraine funding is twelve billion dollars. UH. There's also money UH for UH cleaning up after storms, resilience and so forth. With that in mind and the hurricane passing, of course, everyone is is good with that. But the the twenty two billion dollars in COVID funding that the President requested UH did not get included, nor did the four and a half billion for monkeypox cases.

We've had experts tell us that there is another likely surge coming in the summer, likely a new strain, and this administration maya will be blamed when the tests and the vaccines are not available. Well, that is that is certainly true. UM. I think the argument is that there's been so much money pumped into the economy for various pandemic measures, and some of it is still underspent that there is the argument you could repurpose this or use

the things differently. Now, a lot of that money has already been authorized or promised, so it's not as though we're swimming in dollars ready to move to these things. But I think it's a fair point that it's not clear new dollars are needed yet. It's more about the actual operations of getting getting all of these things organized and out into the economy. It didn't help that Joe mansion or forgive me, Joe Biden said on sixty Minutes,

the pandemic was over. A lot of Republicans are pointing to that as as a reason to take it out. There are some unfortunate cross messaging. Absolutely, that was at odds with a lot of the policies that he's been saying about needing more funding, needing more emergency funding. Even the student debt was premised on an argument that you're allowed to provide that kind of relief because you're in an emergency. And so he was talking at odds with

his own messaging when he said the pandemic was over. Um, clearly we all hope he's right. We hope the pandemic is over. Right. So the rest of this week, this goes to the House and so like they'll they'll put it through the Senate back without the permit. Bill that gets the vote goes to the House. This is done right.

You're not worried about Friday. I am not worried about Friday. Um. Now, there have been too many times where I've said that and then next thing, I've normally been in the government shutdown. So there's been many years of anything you're not worried about, you probably should worry. But I am truly not worried about Friday. We are not going to have a shutdown. There is a midterm election that everybody wants to get back to where they need to be in campaign really

really hard. So I think this week is kind of an easy going week, um, relative to normal, which is nothing's easy going. But I think how different is that going to be in December, knowing that it will be informed, of course by the results of the mid terms. Yeah, no, all eyes on December. Seriously. There are so many different things that I could imagine they will be putting into

an end of the year package. Um. Various different expiring tax cuts the Republicans want, child tax credit that Democrats have talked about, various interest groups, physician payment bonuses that are expiring. There's a pay goes like the list of budget things go on. The important thing to know is that the price tag is huge. Easily we're talking a hundred billion or more just for one year costs and closer to a trillion for ten year costs of the things.

I am worried they're going to try to stick into this bill, so it's now Here's it's a simple ask. But what if we just ask Congress not to borrow anymore for the rest of this calendar year just three months? If they wanted to add any bills and it's just a thought, what if they tried paying for it? Uh? Well, boy, if we only had more time to talk about deficit reduction, Maya,

there's so much where that came from. But I'm curious to see where Kevin McCarthy comes in on a lot of this, particularly if he's on his way to holding the Gavil great to talk with miamc Guinness as always, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget with us UH on Bloomberg Sound on. We need to assemble the panel and get their take on this incredible turn of events here as Joe Manchion's Energy permitting reform bill is jettison before it even got to a vote. Rick Davis and Genie

Schanzano Bloomberg Politics Contributors. Way in next, I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So did Joe Manchin just get served? His energy permitting bill was just axed in the Senate, allowing a government funding bill to move forward. This all unfolding. Since we have taken air this hour, let's assemble the panel. Jennie Schanzano and Rick Davis make

up our signature panel Bloomberg Politics Contributors. And how about this, Genie he's been talking about Joe Manchon has been talking about revenge politics for the last week and a half, almost predicting this was going to happen. Has he finally gotten his due for all the build back better business and now this deal that seemed to upset so many members. He's got to be very frustrated at this point. I think he felt like over this weekend as he pushed,

you know, on the airwaves. In the newspapers we heard he was dialing, making phone calls. He thought he could maybe get to sixty. He obviously realized today he couldn't do it. He wasn't going to stand there and allow the government be shut down. But a lot of the commentary is going to be his question about whether he got played by Chuck Schumer. And you know, that's not a position I think Joe Manchin is, you know, found

himself to you. Did Chuck Schumer know when this deal was made that you know what, this is probably not gonna pass, but we're going to make this deal and

go ahead with it. Well, you know, I've got to imagine that if you know Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin, I I can't understand to the for the life of me why they didn't make the case to liberals that this kind of reform is needed so you could pass green energy so we can grow green under g I mean, that's the case to make, and apparently they didn't do that. Even so, you know, where does that leave you. They made a deal apparently between a few of them, and

they didn't have the votes to push it through. Rick Davis. Republicans, as Mitch McConnell said earlier, have claimed to own this issue. This is something that we've been told as a matter of national security, that's a matter of our own independence here as a nation instead of going to bad guys, you know, let's start drilling more domestically. Was this in fact revenge politics? Will Republicans simply turn their own version

after November? You know, I think there'll be a different bill after November for sure, and and I would imagine that the vast majority of Republicans will support it. This was brought to really national attention, uh during the summer when President Biden was assembling all these oil executives and said, look, you guys need to get you know, pumping more oil. And they're like, well, you need to give us our

permits so that we can do it. So this was a sort of iterational change for for the industry to try and get this done. And by the way, critically important is is is um, Genie says, for the climate um industry, the especially nuclear plants, which have been held up substantially by this lack of permitting reform. So yeah, it's gonna happen. And I think that the point that Genie is making about they should have sold this harder as a clean energy alternative. Um. You know, but like

you can't expect from Mansion to do that. He doesn't believe in any of that, so he also can't sell a secret deal, Rick, and that's what upset so many people to begin with. Now, I don't know about that. I mean there's secret deals all the time. I mean it did, it did upset people because I think that the real crux of it was that the Democrats jammed

through UM something as UH. I would say, arbitrary as all the sweetheart deals that they got out of the UH Inflation Reduction Act and then calling it an inflation reduction Act. I would say that's probably what upset Republicans more than anything, because it had nothing to do with the inflation reduction. What do you make of the COVID and monkeypox money being left out of this bill, Jennie? Is that a fight for another day for this White House?

Are they just gonna go short funded through the winter. It looks like they're going to go short funded, and you know, I don't know how they fight for it now? Is to your point? The President went on national TV and said the pandemic was over, and then they had

to try to clean that up. So they may try to circle back on that, but I think that's going to be hard and time is not on their side, and they better hope, as we all do, for you know, all of our sakes, that the pandemic doesn't get any worse and they find themselves in a terribly difficult position in a couple of months because of this you know, lapse that they've had. Do we revisit this, uh, this time,

this bit of timing. Rick, if there is in fact another strain, another surge in the winter, and people are are found to be short supplies, vaccines, etcetera, Yeah, I think it'll be even more complex because states are sitting on still enormous amounts of money from the initial relief bills for COVID and billions and billions of dollars for use in mitigating effects of COVID, and and the ones that are planning properly are stockpiling kits to test and

aren't they're going to have cash available to buy vaccines and and and and so I think those that aren't and are using those funds for other things are are more likely to be caught short. And sadly, that runs along partisan lines. So um, I think that it's gonna exacerbate our political divide. Uh. If if we do have a another surge in COVID, and you can almost write it in advance. We've been through this enough times. I wonder what you both think in our remaining time about

what we're headed for in December. This is going to go through December six after the mid terms, and Miamic Guinness's tone, uh is one that many share in Washington. What kind of a standoff is this going to be? Genie A We're gonna actually talk about a shutdown? I I think we will be there again. And I was just looking at the g A O. Congress has issued crs and forty three of the last forty six fiscal years talk about an F minus in terms of their ability to do the basic job they were sent there

to do. You want to know why people are frustrated with government, That's a good example. And I think we will be facing a really tough battle in December. I know you love that whole story here, Rick, but what's December look like? Well, I'm glad I'm not in her class because I probably get I would not fail you, Rick, But but look, I mean, it's only going to be hard if we actually have some fiscal restraint. Like my point is, if you actually tighten the belt and don't

create new debt. Then then it's gonna be hard choices. But this is a spending free Congress, I mean, you know, and it's not going to be held up by the administration. So who's going to govern this? I have a lot of people with points to prove after the elections. Rick and Jennie our signature panel with us, Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. It's the fastest hour in politics. Bloomberg. Sound on. I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. Quite the revealed today by CNN.

It was supposed to be I'm assuming part of this January six committee hearing tomorrow. We don't ever really know what they're going to do in these hearings. But that's the report clips from Roger Stone, uh that was filmed for a documentary months before the election, not before January six. Before the election. It brings us back to July is in a hotel room, uh here in Washington, talking about

his approach, his plans. Had to bleep out some of the words for this looming election, remembering that Donald Trump was behind in the polls at that point. Listened to Roger Stone, what they're assuming is the election will be normal. The election wimal Oh, these are the California results. Sorry, we're not accepting that. We're challenging the recurt If the actors show up at the at the electoral College, arm guards will throw them out. I'm the president. You stealing Florida.

You're not stealing of challenging all of it. And the judges were going to our judges. I appointed, you're not stealing the election. That's what That's basically what Bush did to Gore. Well, I'm not so sure about that, but revealing how to stop the steel would work. If they want to run a bunch of fake ballots, we'll have an investigation. We'll see these ballots. Your faith, your results

are invalidating. Goodbye. That's the way it's gonna have to look. Well, it's gonna be really nasty while, but you cannot count on you're not gonna get an honest election. Right. So let's say that Trump is a little behind right now, but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even if he wins an honest election, we're not going to have an honest election on it. They're gonna steal it. They're steal in his blind and farn right now incredible.

Uh Stone released the statement, by the way, challenging the accuracy and authenticity of the video. Go look at it yourself. He's right there talking in the hotel room on camera. But it brings us to a remarkable piece of journalism by Bloomberg and something that really got our attention today

that we wanted to focus on on the broadcast. Here our election denier Tracker, the US Election Risk Index, a team of journal to Sarah Bloomberg, a set to find out which states are most vulnerable to election interference as we look ahead tow four here right, these guys, I can't imagine how much time they spent on this as they went through laws in all fifty states and as I read here on the terminal, you can look at this with a remarkable cross section of data and graphics

that they cooked this down to five U S States? What will decide if the election can be stolen? In joining us from our Washington bureau talk a little bit more about it as Bloomberg News National politics reporter Ryan Tique back with Ryan. Congrats. First of all, I know you've got more coming on this, an update coming on this, but congrats on this monster piece of journalism. Thanks. Yeah,

it was. It was a lot of work to go through not just all the laws that have changed since, uh, but also all the bills that have been proposed, and there were it was a huge jump in the number of bills that were proposed in the last two years. You write, Republicans have sought to remove state officials who would not manufacture votes and falsely declare him the winner. Uh. They changed the way elections are run in response to

his conspiracy theories. They've nominated people who insist Trump won as candidates for US Congress and governor for offices that certify the outcome. That's the key there. Uh. And as you dug into this, I was kind of amazed to find that that your takeaway is basically everything's going to be fine. Well, I mean by takeaway was that the

people are much more important to watch than the laws. Um. We went into this early in the process when there were still a lot of bills out there that would have dramatically changed how elections were certified, and I have to say that most of the bills that were the most concerning didn't end up going anywhere. Um. And that actually it's easier to vote in a lot of the parts of that country than it was before. I don't think it's a great thing that there were bills that

were clearly inspired by conspiracy theories about the election. Um. But when we looked at how those bills actually worked, like a lot of them were relatively harmless, Like they either wouldn't do much or might actually not be that bad of it idea. As an example, one of Trump's theories was that you know, nest thermostats and Italian satellites

were changing votes on a voting machines. UM. And so several, yeah, several states passed bills that mandated that voting machines can't be connected to the Internet, and they were clearly responding to that theory. Now there's no evidence for that theory. Most voting machines are not connected to the internet. Um. But that said, like, there's not really any harm in passing a law saying that they shouldn't be I mean, I don't I don't really see the problem with that.

I don't. I don't think it's great like where those bills were coming from or why they were passed, but like ultimately fairly harmless, And I think a lot of the other changes that we found there were restrictions to bills, and they were sort of quibbling around the edges. Nobody really wants to upend the apple cart, especially when you consider that most of the people voting in these bills were elected under these laws. There were three bills that

I saw that we're concerning. UM. One was in Florida, where the governor now has an election police force that reports directly to him. Uh that's problematic. UM. In Florida Governor Rhonda Santis and and he used that that law just before the primary when he had Bryan, let's look at just so people understand the five states we're talking

about here, right, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin. Impossible Republican win in Pennsylvania will determine, as you write, who's in charge of making election decisions in states where the White House is won or lost. Uh So, with with that said, it's going to depend a lot on what happens in the midterm elections before you can really make a judgment on that fair. Yeah, I mean, I'm really watching closely,

like governors, the governor's race in Pennsylvania. UM. Doug Mastriano, the Republican nominee there, was heavily involved in Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in t and he's promised to appoint an election denier a secretary of state, to throw out all of the state's voter registrations, to decertifial of the voting machines. Um, there's a lot of chaos that he could create if he wins. And he's currently down

in the polls, but it's close. Uh, you know, he could win their Arizona is the other state I'm not really watching closely because the governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and Senate candidate there all are really strong election deniers. One of them even ran an ad that just began with like I think Donald Trump won Inies. Know that state has may come a real locus of these efforts. Fascinating stuff and I really encourage everybody to go find

it on the terminal. Five U S states that will decide if the election can be stolen. Ryan Tekbeck with thank you so much, and come back when the update hits the terminal. We're gonna have a lot more data to share because hey, you don't have to hear it from me, But this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. There will be no January six Committee hearing tomorrow. If we didn't have a chance to mention that it was postponed.

Not sure actually until when. But they're not holding this hearing in the House. It was not going to be prime time. It was gonna be midday, one o'clock. And I think the concern was split screen with the hurricane. Of course that that is specifically why uh the January six Committee with this on hold? Interesting unknown when it will happen feasibly ever closer to the mid term elections. Let's reassemble the panel. Jeannie Shanzano is back with Brick Davis,

Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, when I heard about this today, when I saw the tweet from the jan six Committee, I thought about you running a convention for the Republican Party just as a hurricane was about to hit, I believe New Orleans and you were faced with a decision like that. Do you think they did the right thing? Sure? Um, same thing we did. Um. We postponed the first day

of a national convention. I mean, who wants to give away for full night of free media and uh celebration and excitement with twenty thousand people, you know, But uh, the reality is that you cannot distract the country's focus when a place like Florida, New Orleans or anywhere else is undersiege by nature and um and so I think we made the right decision. I think it all worked out fine, But unfortunately these things are unpredictable, and I

think they've done the right thing. But anybody who thinks they can blow through a hurricane is uh of questionable sanity. Yeah, and of course you know this wasn't the celebration like a convention, genie. This was actually going to be a serious obviously a serious news event, one that Republicans call a political exercise. But they'll be criticized for doing this closer to November, will they not. They may face that,

but they absolutely made the right decision. It would be in in very poor taste, amongst other things, for them to try to do this tomorrow in the midst of what looks to be a potentially massive hurricane bearing down in the southern part of the country. So they made the right decision. Whether they get criticism or blowback from that. They're going to have to deal with that, and they'll be rightly be able to point to the reasons that

they did. This blowback from Roger Stone. You might have heard his remarks a little bit earlier released by CNN that we're filmed by a documentary crew months be four election. He says the film is not accurate. He's challenging the authenticity of the video. But here here's a taste again of what he said months before people went to vote. If they want to run a bunch of fake ballots, we'll have an investigation. Well, bounce your fake, your resulter invalidating, goodbye.

That's the way it's gonna have to look. Club. It's gonna be really nasty while. But you cannot count on you're not going to get an honest election. Right So, let's say that Trump is a little behind right now, but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even if he wins an honest election, we're not going to have an honest got it. They're gonna still what they're still on his finding far and right now, how does this inform the investigation? Rick The idea that this conversation

was happening over the summer. Uh in terms of the January six Committee rapping this investigation once and for all. Well, we heard it, uh first from Donald Trump on the stump. He was claiming he was gonna get stolen throughout the course of the last month of the campaign. So he was is predicting the future, and I think predicting based

on a plan that they had. I mean, Roger Stone has been around a lot of campaigns, and he's had issues with ballot security and other things that he's pushed limits to, uh in the past, and it does not shock me, does not surprise me that that he would be shooting his mouth off right before in the election with the camera crew. He gets kind of crazy in front of cameras and so, UM, I just think this

is declaring the obvious. I mean, for anybody who didn't think this is what they were thinking, I think that they miss miss read what Donald Trump was telling him all through the last couple of months of the election. To be seeing out loud, though, Genie, it's almost like he was kind of going through this in his own mind. Uh. You know, the elevator pitch for the president here, Uh, the the election be decided in the courts this will not be an honest election. The idea of using fake

electors this went way back, it did. And the stunning part to me, and you played part of this clip, is that this is what he's talk about is exactly what happened Donald Trump was behind and he lays out verbatim exact you know, prior obviously to the election, exactly what happened in the aftermath when Donald Trump lost the election. And it's really chilling, is the word that comes to mind.

And whether he claims that the tape was doctored or not, precisely what they capture him as saying is exactly what the country in the world ended up witnessing. And so you know, it's not surprising that January six committee is going to use this, which we we understand they will,

and it's not surprising he's calling foul at this point. Well, I don't know how this factors into the Department of Justice investigation at the same time here, Rick, but I feel like we should be paying attention to whatever extent we can and they're not telling us a lot. But that's where the rubber meets the road here, right Once the January six Committee is done, we'll get the final report. I don't know that there'll be any bombshells in there.

Any October surprise is obviously, or we wouldn't call it that. But it strikes me that their work is about complete, that we have a sense of what they learned. Am I write? Yeah? I think that this is more of a summation than anything, although I would think that they might want to focus in a little bit more on Roger Stone, who hasn't got much attention by the January

six Committee. He's the closer, but he certainly put himself in that place today, and I think that that kind of sows together so much of the point they're trying to make, which is this was a plan. It was executed after the election, and it was meant to try and overturn a legitimate election. And so wow, Uh, Roger, you know you did a good job of writing the PostScript to a January six uh committee meeting. Unintended consequences

or hell sometimes quite quite quite remarkable. Uh. There was another CNN report you needed A phone call was intercepted here by investigators. A phone call from a White House phone number to an individual who was inside the US Capitol one of the quote unquote rioters. I don't know what he was doing there, but he was at the Capitol and and a call that lasted less than ten seconds was was made to that cell phone. There are answers to questions like these that could advance this investigation.

It seems to me you think we'll find out what that was. I think we may get more information. I mean, since this came out on Sunday as a result of this book that is coming out by Denver Rigg Leman, Um, we have learned a bit more. We've learned, you know, the caller was, as you mentioned, somebody who was at the Capitol and a somebody from New York. And so I think we may start to hear a little bit more. It's unclear whether we will in the hearings themselves or not.

But I think the real question here about both the call and Roger Stone. We know Roger Stone is connected to these extremist groups. The question in both cases is going to be can they connected to the former president? Can they tie these extremist groups visa vi roger Stone or these phone calls that were made from the White House.

Two people on the ground at the Capitol to the President, because that would be critical if you're talking about something like a criminal referral to the Justice Department from the Junior Six Committee, which of course we don't know yet whether they're going to make or not. We'll give this a minute to breathe before we start naming names. But they did trace that call, uh, and you know it's not too hard to do that these days. I suspect we'll be hearing more about it. Rick and Jennie with

us here on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. And as ever, when we start talking about governments and the doings in Washington, that which our government produces NASA is again the tonic, the salve for our problems. You heard about the Dart mission. This is where we ended yesterday. Man, they smack that thing right into not an asteroid, by the way, don't call it an asteroid. I learned this. You know. You might call it affectionately a space rock,

but it's a moonlight. I don't know if you guys knew that it's a moonlight six point eight million miles away for the Earth and the test. My god, let's get in the control room right now. Just as the dart was about to hit the moonlight. Just listen to the elation in the control room. They're getting close. They're looking at the video three. Well not quite, well, hang on, not quite, it's getting closer. Yes, they see boulders, they can make out the surface. It really is incredible. We're

watching this in real time, seven million miles away. Yes, we do defense. Yea, they say. In case you're keeping score, humanity one asteroid zero should say moonlight and asked. The spokesperson said during the live stream after the impact, Rick, I know you love this stuff as much as I do. It is one of the few things we can say that the government is doing without controversy, and they're actually, in this case protecting human kind. Yeah, I'm here to

name names. And it's not a moonlit. It's dimorphous. Dimorphus was hit and and NASA calls it dimorphus. I'm calling it dimorphus. And so I think it's wonderful that we've named the moonlit that we just hit with a spacecraft to get it out of trajectory. It's gonna take us a week to know is that thing moved? But I must admit the only thing that was lacking by that clip was a nice swell of the orchestra in the

background as we say goodbye to Dimorphus. Now, I think it's wonderful stuff that we have people who actually spend the time and money to UH, to create these opportunities. I mean, it's just what you always wanted from NASA, right, thinking of these things and executing them flawlessly well done. This is yes, and this is real stuff, Genie. I mean to think that they could save the planet someday. Uh,

And people take that for granted. We'll remember when this crazy thing went up and people thought it was it was a crazy idea, but it will take some time. All they have to do is nudge it though, Genie. They don't have to throw this thing into outer space, just nudge it out of the way. Yeah. And they did it all without Ben Affleck, which was stunning and in honor of you and and Rick. I did watch it live last night and it was fascinating. I agree with Rick. They could have used some music, like you

always do the music, Joe. You should go help NASA do the music. But what's stunning, to your point is we can or not we NASA can move and hit, blow up a spaceship, potentially move an asteroid off of its orbit, and we can't get Congress to cast past the budget n time. It's stunning here, Gen Chanzano, well said and Rick Davis, our signature panel. Look at the image of this thing. You can count the rocks on the Marsh visit dim morphous. Yeah wait, Matt, those are your car keys. This is Bloomberg.