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your panels in place. Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Chanzano here in New York. Rick Davis is in Washington. John Fetterman went right for it in his opening statement during last night's Senate debate with Dr Oz Doctor mement Oz in what he called what Fetterman called the elephant in the room. I had a stroke. He's never let me forget that, and I might miss some words during this debate, two words together, but it knocked me down, and I'm gonna

keep coming back up. Solid opening message. But of course he made good on that warning, and he did struggle through portions of this debate. Now, of course we knew the there would be closed captioning, and to be clear, there were two seventy in monitors above the moderators, which resulted in some delay. As I'm going to play for you here, and this is kind of the best example of what he was dealing with last night. Not only a delay in answering the question, but at times forming

the answer. This was a question about fracking and whether he was on one side of this issue or the other. There is that two thousand eight interview that you said, quote, I don't support fracking at all. So how do you square the two? Oh, I do support fracking and I don't. I don't I support fracking and I stand and I do support fracking. So okay, thank you, Mr Federman. There

we have it. He did say that he supports fracking, but that was then mixed up with I don't, and people were confused at times in this debate, remembering he's going against the TV stars doctor Oz for crying out Lout has spent years in front of the camera as a well paid television personality. He had his own struggles

and we're going to go through that as well. Uh. This is a tense debate and a lot of Democrats today are now asking why, now that we see where he is in his recovery, why was John Fetterman put in such a vulnerable position with two weeks to go before the election. Brett O'donnald joins us. Now, I've been looking forward to this conversation. Media strategist president of o'donnald and Associates. He held seven U S. Senate candidates prepare to go on to win victory in assisted in preparing

Governor Mitt Romney for presidential primary debates in Florida. Was director of messaging for the McCain presidential campaign, helped to prepare John McCain, and was retained by the Bush Cheney camp to assist the president in debate preparation for the two thousand four presidential debates. Brett O'Donnell, I can't imagine what you were thinking watching this last night. Was it worth the exercise? Well, it was painful and as I wrote today, it really proves that you know, it's not

that that amendment. OZ won't let John Fetterman forget about his stroke. John Fetterman reminded Pennsylvanians, and they will never forget last night. In my opinion, most of the media Joe Scarborough said this was painful to watch, regardless of your politics, whether you're Republican or Democrat, because you know, debates are really important. In my opinion, that's what I do for a living. They're important to the political process

because they demonstrate an essential skill of a candidate. That skill is to be able to synthesize complex thought, complex thoughts quickly and put them into cogent communication, uh, thoughts that are short sixty seconds or so. And Fetterman failed that test. Unfortunately. It wasn't you know, if federal Oz was good, he was his normal teeth he self. He stayed on stage, he stayed on the on the attack, but he had his moments. But but Fetterman had great

problems last night since its synthesizing anything. I mean what you played from the fracking response was one of the worst moments in the debate. But it also seemed that he was frequently lost. I don't think it was the timing of the close captioning that did it to him. I just think that he's in recovery as a as a stroke patient, and we wish him well on that recuse. So would you have let him go out there or

would you have tried to prepare him in a different way? No, I would have never let him go out, taken him through prep and he would have been sick that evening and unable to appear because the appearance did you know you you you basically measure these appearances by what does the most harm. And you might have gotten some bad stories off of saying he was ill, but you're getting you're getting much more negative stories off of the performance

last night. You know, debates are the most performative aspect of a campaign, and your inability to perform in that atmosphere can be a killer. I mean, there's there's Debates are replete with examples of this. Man Ronald Reagan back in the debates, had a problem in his first debate against Walter Mondale, but made a big comeback in his second debate because he was able to do that. John Federman is not able to do this because he's not up for the challenges of a U. S. Senate seat.

And um, you know, I think Pennsylvanians, at least Pennsylvania Democrats should have considered their options before they let him into the primary. Connor Lamb what have performed much better last night? And was the Federman campaign emboldened by the watching the herschel Walker campaign go through its debate having been you know they were they were told God, don't do it. After the scandal came up, the allegations about paying for the abortion just canceled the debate. Nobody cares

about debates anymore, is what they said. Brett Now John Feederman's you know watches this happen went pretty well. Herschel Walker's back in the game. Did they think they could pull off the same thing? Um? I don't know that that's a great comparison, because herschel Walker was challenged, at least by the press on not being knowledgeable or fit for the office, and he proved differently because he's a

smart person. John Fetterman is a smart person, but he is recovering from a major stroke that is very obvious, and I think Pennsylvanians would do well to let him recover rather than send him to the U. S. Senate. I think it does a disservice to both him and to the people that he would represent. He he's not going to be able to be a competent representative for them. That was proven last evening, and so, you know, I

don't think it's a great comparison. I'm not sure what their decision calculus was, because if they did any serious debate prep, they would have found out loading him up with just a bunch of lines was not going to get him. You have to be able to sell those lines right. He couldn't even really get the ten mansions

and that kind of stuff. I do want to bring you into a moment in the campaign, in the debate Bread, when the issue of abortion came up, because this is one that is being actually uh hung around Doctor Oz here in the way that he handled this question, it was it was a poor choice of words at best. Listen to Dr Oz. There should not be involved in from the federal government and how states decide their abortion decisions. As a physician, I've been in the room when there's

some difficult conversations happening. I don't want the federal government involved with that at all. I want women, doctors, local political leaders letting the democracy that's always allowed our nation to thrive. It seemed like he was onto something with the you know, I've been in the room Bread, that's a good place to start. I'm I'm a physician. But then to suggest that local political leaders are in the room too. Boy, that was that was a viral moment

for Democrats last night. Yeah, I agree, but I think it's being taken out of context. Look, Dr Oz said he didn't want the federal government in the room and I think what was trying to say is that he wanted this, he wanted doctors and women their husbands or whatever in the room, and that he wanted this decision, the decisions about abortion laws to be made at the local and state level. And I think he ended up

kind of convoluting all three of those things. UM. And it's being read as he wants local politicians in the room. I don't. I don't think that's exactly right. I think that he was saying he wants these decisions made at the state level, which is what the court said, but he could have been a little bit more articulate in expressing that. So we can knock this around a couple of different ways, as we as we are with Brett O'Donnell.

Knowing that six hundred and thirty nine thousand people in Pennsylvania have voted early, does this debate end up making a difference one way or the other? Brett, I actually think it does. You know. I think that there are still a lot of votes uh to be made in Pennsylvania. UH. And I think a lot of folks that saw this are going to be disheartened if they were thinking about voting for Federman. I think it makes a huge difference in the middle with independent voters who are going to

see his positions, because it wasn't just his performance. Dr roz Was did a really good job of persecuting the k prosecuting the case of of of his liberal positions, and Fetterman really didn't respond to that uh in a meaningful way, and so um, you know, I think that that's going to hurt Uh Fetterman as well, the exposure of those positions. So I think the debate did great damage and I do think that it could have a

meaningful difference, you know. I I hearkened back to last year when Terry mccauliff in a debate said that he didn't want parents in schools telling teachers what to teach, and that was a visceral moment in the campaign that helped elect Glenn Juncan. And I think that this debate will make a difference. Debates do make a difference. I tell people, you can't win an election in a debate, but you can lose one. I think John Fetterman lost it last night. What a way to make a living. Brett,

thank you so much for sharing your expertise. Brought O'donald of O'donnald and associates. He's forgotten more debates than most people have ever been involved in, in in a fascinating view inside the process. This is a profession, you know. Rick Davis has done his share of this as well, and he's going to come in next with Jeanie Schanzano our

signature panel. The night after Fetterman versus OZ, will have a few more moments from that debate and talk a bit more about what's left here with two weeks, got less than two weeks until actual voting takes place, aside from the thousands already in the mail signature panels. Up next, I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. A long time Democratic strategist talked to Bloomberg after the debate

last night. Fetterman OZ said John Fetterman should make his physician publicly available to answer questions about his recovery, starting right now. Remembering that he actually put out a medical report. Remember this wasn't exactly the medical records, but a report by the doctors saying that he was fit to serve. But that came up again last night and whether John Fetterman should be more transparent about his recovery. Here's the back and forth. Uh, to me, for transparency is about

showing up. I'm here today to have a debate. I have, you know, speech speeches in front of three thousand people in Montgomery County, you know, all across Pennsylvania, big big crowds. You know, I believe if my doctor believes that I'm fit to serve, and and that's what I believe is appropriate. And now with two weeks before the election, you know, I have run the campaign and I've been very transparent about being very open about the fact we're in used captioning.

And I believe that Again, my doctors, the real doctors that I believe, and they all believe that I'm ready to be served. Follow up, I didn't hear you say you would release your full met call records. Why not you have thirty seconds now? Uh? Yeah, Again, my dr all believes that I'm fit to be serving, and that's what I believe. Is where I'm standing right, it's a sum of the panel that Jennie Chanzano is with me

here at World Headquarters in New York. Rick Davis is in Washington or Bloomberg Politics contributors make our signature panel on sound on Democrats are wondering exactly what I discussed with Brett Genie, whether this ever should have been allowed to begin with. Did Jhon Funnerman hurt himself last night

or or fail to advance his campaign? You know, he's not likely to lose people who were committed to him from the beginning, and we do have you know, about seven hundred thousand early votes in Pennsylvania about of those Democrats. Certainly those are gonna stick. They're not changing their minds. They're not changing. They're not allowed to, we don't think.

But the problem for him is if this is a race that's going to be decided in the suburbs and by independent undecided voters, this can be a costly miss step on the part of the campaign because, as you know, compassionate as voters are, they have a right and realistically do ask themselves, is this person capable of doing the job. Now, let's be clear, stroke survivors have done the job. We've

talked about Senator Mark Kirk. But I think, and I agree with the Democratic strategist that was on Bloomberg last night. Release the have put the doctor out to answer questions, and I think released the full medical records. I think that should have been done initially. I also think they made a misstep because it doesn't feel like they were particularly transparent from the start about his condition, so they

should have been clear on that. So voters weren't surprised and shocked last night, and unfortunately for them, that's what happened. How much of a game changer is this debate? Rick? How How bad did John Fetterman potentially hurt himself? You know, look, I mean if he loses the election, this debate is going to get blamed as the cause. We should remind everyone they were inside a point here. Right, This is truly the closest Senate raise in the country, inclusive center

in the in the country. But he's been leading throughout right. I mean, there's been very few polls that have showed him, um, you know, trailing, and so you know, arguably it's been his to lose all summer, and now that we're in the fall, and uh, we're starting to see what kind of condition he's in, you know that that can influence

the vote. So no question though that that if if Oz does win, um, they're gonna look back on on this debate and say that this was one of the points where, you know, it was a perfect opportunity for Federman to uh make people feel comfortable with this condition and he didn't do it. And so regardless of you know, how it all plays out, that's that's gonna be one of the factors. So you know, in two weeks we're gonna be here talking about what we'll be in Washington

talking about results and watching this thing unfold. Genie. Uh, Democrats, Let's say they're not able to flip Pennsylvania doctor Oz amendment Oz becomes the Senator, the baton goes from pat to me, it stays Republican. It's looking like a kershel Walker could win this Senate race. Despite another scandal today that we'll talk about later this hour. Another woman has come forward. He might actually flip that seat in Georgia. Ohio is looking shaky for Tim Ryan. What's the path

to keeping the Senate? You know, the three big ones have been all along Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Nevada. And if they lose Georgia, if that flips, if they retain Pennsylvania because we forget, but it is a Republican seat, so it's really Republicans to lose, and you know it is Cortes Master has a tough road to hoe in Nevada. Still, it is probably going to be all over for Democrats at that point. We will have it very narrowly potentially or a few seats majority for Republicans. So the stakes

couldn't have been higher last night. And this is why this issue of his health is so important. And you know, for Democrats, they've got to be incredibly frustrated because on the issues Fetterman does line up with many voters in Pennsylvania. On the issue of abortion alone, already, they've put out an ad the Fetterman campaign has against Dr Oz because he suggested that local politicians should be warding over women's health care and that's not popular in a state like Pennsylvania.

But they had to make the case that he was able and healthy to serve and they had to do it transparently. And I'm afraid for you know, at least for some voters, this may have been a bridge too far to ask him to look at what happened last night and feel comfortable. I had to ask him about football ahead of this weekend. We're ready for this one, Sebastianist. Steelers are Eagles, Mr Fetterman, Steelers are Eagles, and why oh clearly always for the Steelers. Sorry Steelers, Mr oz

I'll be at the game rooting for my Eagles. Fly, Eagles Fly. He really sang all right, hit the fight song. This is what he was singing, the Eagles fight song a lot. Dr oz Rick and Jennie will stay with us for the hour, our signature panel as we fight our way. I'm Bloomberg. Sound on, I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. Right around this time yesterday we brought you to the White House. Heard from President Biden warning of

grave consequences. Remember if Vladimir Putin chose to use a tactical nuclear weapon, he was asked about it while he was getting his booster shot of all things. And today the Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln echoed Biden's warning in a special exclusive interview with Bloomberg News. We've seen these um allegations coming from the Russians that somehow the Ukrainians are looking are contemplating using a so called dirty bob, which is another fabrication and something that is also the

height of irresponsibility coming from a nuclear power. Would also be very consistent with what we have seen by Russia first accusing another nation of something before doing it themselves. This is something being watched very closely and a great concern now as we head for winter in this conflict, with both sides trying to move the needle here. Kurt Folker joins us, delighted to say, former US Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations and former US Ambassador to NATO, Mr Ambassador,

thanks for coming along. And it's typically not to talk about something very good here with regard to Ukraine. Almost what nine months into this war? How concerned are you about Vladimir Putin making good on these threats? Well, it's a risk, and you know, if you put ourselves back eight nine months ago, a year ago, we were looking at zero risk of any kind of nuclear use. Now it's more than zero. I still think it's low. I don't think it achieves any military objective for Putin. It

would just be out of revenge. It would damage his own forces, It would mean the territory where he does it becomes uninhabitable, so he can't achieve his goal of taking territory. And I think the warning that we heard from Tony Lincoln just now and previously from the President and Jake Sullivan is exactly right, because we can't live in a world where any country, whether it's Russia or North Korea or anyone else, feels that they can use

a nuclear weapon and get away with it. They have got to be consequences for that, so we don't change the whole nature of security in the world. And so warning them on that and saying that there would be devastating consequences for the Russian military if they use nuclear weapon is very important. Russia carried out military exercises simulating a retaliation, a retaliatory nuclear strike. UH to give us the backdrop here for for some of the rhetoric that

we're hearing. Does that inform Vladimir Putin's intentions at all? Or is this just more playing war in an effort to scare people and get folks like us to talk about it? Right exactly that what Putin is doing is he is trying to get inside the heads of leaders in the West to make them feel that this is too dangerous and we have to tell the Ukrainians to surrender somehow, give up territory, you know, concede to put In something, And so he's trying to influence our thinking.

Whether he would actually go through with it would be a very different calculation, and I don't think related to any of the stuff we're seeing, and I think it would be more a matter of Putin concluding that he has no option for staying in power, no choice other than defeat or using a nuclear weapon. And I think, you know, that's a risk that we may come to, but we're not there now. Administration officials apparently have a plan, you know, of course, the Pentagon has any number of

scenarios that they came out. What would be the plan if not a tactical nuke ambassador was set off, but a dirty bomb, which would be something much easier for the Russians to pull off, would would inflict less damage on Putin's own people. What does the administration do? Yeah, I think in either case, there still has to be a conventional bonds against Russia's military in some way, just to send a signal that we we know you did this,

and we don't accept that you can do this. Conventional being Yeah, Commissioner, we should not be crossing a nuclear threshold over this. And indeed, I think that we have conventional capabilities that would be very effective against the Russian Navy or Russian deployed forces, and the Russians know that. UH And a couple of former generals said General Petraeus about two weeks ago, also former Sack you or General Phil Breedlove, they've talked about using long range HM whenever

we get close to something in Russia. Can you hear us, Ambassador, you like to think we can reconnect. I'm here a couple of former generals. I was just saying that they essentially said that we could use missiles from a distant like tom Hawk missiles take out the Black Sea Fleet entirely without risking any personnel. And I think the Russians, no, we could do that, especially the military I think is

more casts even than Putin. And thinking about this, Ambassador Volker, I want to ask you, knowing that you resigned famously as special Representative following revelations that the former president sought to trade UH President Zelenski weapons for an investigation into the Biden family. We don't have to relitigate all of that. But there's there's a real conversation happening now in the

US about continuing funding the war effort here. I'm sure you heard about Progressive Democrats, thirty of them, sending this letter, which was then rescinded. Strangely, you've heard Kevin McCarthy say no blank check. If he becomes the Republican leader in the House, how difficult will it be for the administration

to continue writing these checks? If that's the case? Right? Well, I think actually despite those things that you just mentioned, the letter and McCarthy's statements, um, and they're different, by the way. I think McCarthy's statements were at accountability as a way of keeping the right on board what the progressives were doing. We're basically big calling on the administration to cut a deal with Putin over the heads of

the Ukrainians. They say, that's not what it said, but that was the practical effect of the letter, and they did withdraw it. But as far as the next year and a half two years goes, I think the administration has a lot of running room. There is strong bipartisan support in both chambers, the House and the Senate. Republicans and Democrats to continue supporting Ukraine and pushing back on Russia.

If you think about the military part of this, you know the sixteen seventeen billion that we've spent on Ukraine's military assistance. This money goes from the U. S. Treasury to the Pentagon, the Pentagon to US defense industry. Its strengthens our supply chains in the US, and then that weaponry goes to the Pentagon again, and then we either give them old equipment or in some cases new equipment.

But there's no lack of accountability on this. So I think we have ambassad to thank you as always for being with us. Kurt Folk, or former US Ambassador to NATO here on Bloomberg sound On, will reassemble the panel. Next you're listening to Bloomberg you sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. We haven't even talked about Iran.

Yet another wrinkle on the Russia story today. The White House is concerned about it that Russia using of course, attack drones made by Iran and Ukraine now advising Iran on tactics to crack down on protesters. Can you imagine the advice from Vladimir Putin I'm Joe Matthew at World Headquarters in New York. Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg sound On. Jeanie Schanzano is here. Rick Davis too, Genie's in New York. Ricks and Washington are signature panel here

on the Fastest Hour in Politics. Talked about this for a big yesterday, hearing straight from Anthony Blincoln today in our Washington offices. He was there at the DC Bureau talking with Bloomberg about this, this threat of the potential use of a dirty bo that could be another false flag. This is what Russia specializes in the pretext right. Here's

how Blincoln put it. The reason this particular allegation gives us some concerns because Russia has a track record projecting, which is to say, accusing others of doing something that they themselves have done or thinking about doing. But there again, we communicated very clearly and very directly to the Russians about trying to use this false allegation as a pretext

for any kind of escalation on Russia's behalf. Rick Davis, the White House going out of its way on this when they had John Kirby joining the Press secretary today in the briefing room. You know things are getting serious when the retired admiral shows up. How are you reading into this chorus that seems to be growing louder. We've heard of the you know, other pretexts like this, We've seen Russia projecting like this. White House seems to think

it's pretty real. It's time. Well, they've used this kind of intelligence and and and trying to get ahead of these events like the invasion itself as a deterrent, right, trying to bring old criticism to the door of the Kremlin so that they don't make mistakes by doing something really horrific like exploding a dirty bomb in in in the Ukrainian territory. So I have no doubt the first order of events is to ensure that nothing like this happens. And so this kind of rhetoric is designed to deter

Putin from pulling the trigger on something like that. But I think they've also led down, as Ambassador Volker said, a pretty hard line on the fact that there will be very extreme results if anything like this happens. So, um, we'll see if Vladimir Putin takes any of this stuff seriously, uh, and or whether he just is going to prosecute this

war on his own term. I don't know how you avoid an escalation with the US or with NATO at that point, Jennie, having heard what Ambassador Vulker said, Okay, a conventional strike on on the Russian military, if that in fact is connected to the US, I don't know who would do that. I'm assuming he meant the US. That would be our plan unless we had the Ukrainians do it for us. It's the start of a new war,

isn't it. You know, as the President has talked about before, that would be potentially the start of World War three in the United States with this proxy war. Has you know, tried as the rest of the West and NATO to avoid that, But if they indeed engage in this kind of dirty bomb tactic, I'm not sure how you avoid it. To the ambassador's point, and let's not forget that Russia, and we know this from the British Defense Ministry that they are running low right now on artillery and ammunition.

Putin is cornered and time is running out because of the winter approaching, and a cornered Putin is a dangerous Putin, and that's why we keep hearing Ukraine say that they're performing secret work at this you know, Europe's largest nuclear plant, and it may be in preparation for the use of this dirty bomb. So it is a very scary time.

And that is why, of course, you know, as you hear from the progressive left and from the conservative right, the idea of the United States may not be funding support for Ukraine anymore, becomes even more dangerous for the West. How different rick would be the use of a dirty bomb versus a tactical nuke? And would our would our response be measures depending on what was used? You know,

it's just circumstantial, is there all points out? You know, using a using a nuclear reactor and and and and exploding that is basically a dirty bomb, right, so um, you know they've been threatening to do that for quite some time already, and and so that that would have an impact obviously on the surrounding area. Dirty bomb doesn't have probably the casually rate unless they they do a tactical and tactical nuke over the air somewhere to sort

of demonstrate their resolve. But all these things are if if if they are, you want to just avoid that by saying, look, you got a black sea fleet, it disappears the day after you play with nuclear weapons, right, and that is a problemise we can keep. But that's also a new front in a new war, isn't it. I mean, that's the same process in the black Sea fleet has been engaged in this war. And and somebody sank one already. They're they're there number one musk of

a you know ship. The rest of them could all sink on the same day, right, And so uh, there is enormous military capacity surrounding the country of Ukraine within the NATO alliance, and the overwhelming force it could be brought to bear on any one target is beyond comprehension. And I think that's basically what what Joe Biden is

is threatening Vladimir Putin with that. Woy Rick certainly put that, Well, we talked about this, like we know what we're talking about here, and we talked to a lot of smart people, Genie, a lot of military analysts, people do great experience. But to the point, to Rick's point, you couldn't possibly comprehend

what we could do to them. But that's also the scary part of this story, that that would unleash to your point, world War three potentially, that's right, and you know, the people we hear from that are experts in this area.

To your point, one thing that they keep imploring the administration and NATO to do is to work frankly with people who have still some potential sway over Putin, and that is primarily China and India at this point, as you just mentioned, what's going on in iran Um and so that's what makes what happened over the weekend with jij and Ping that much more important as he becomes leader for you know, the future, the rest of his life in China, because we are at a certain stage

dependent on their ability to sway Russia, to sway Putin and to hold this off. Those are the two leaders the two countries, and jij and Ping and Moody that could potentially do that and avoid this kind of disaster. And yet it's hard to say at this point whether we you know, we we we'd have any ability to reach them, or that the president would. Certainly India and Moody should should be reachable, but we haven't seen evidence of that. Living next door to another nuclear power in Pakistan,

uh In our remaining moments with Rick and Jennie. We're going to get back on the campaign trail, if I can call it that for a moment here listen to herschel Walker. Of course, in as we've described, one of the other Senate races that's too close to call and will help to decide the balance of power in the United States Senate and in Washington. He's been really kind of forward on the campaign trail since the debate. He's

handing out badges to people in the crowd. He's kind of embracing some of the accusations that have been made against him. My god, he went so far as to compare himself to Ricky Bobby today. Listen, and I also want to nodled my wife Julie, because she's in this fight with me, and it is a fight, but they don't know where to fight. I'm Ricky Bobby. I don't know. Somebody explained that to me later I saw that movie. I'm still not sure I get the line. But but

hold on, we've got a new scandal on our hands here. Um. Another woman has come forward. Jane Doe is represented by Gloria Alread. Now. I don't know if this changes anything, Genie, If this is a story that you know. Obviously he survived a lot of allegations here of of paying for former partners abortion. Now we have another woman who has

come forward. Listened to Jane Doe today. I was certain that I was pregnant as a result of my relationship with herschel and because I was not intimate with anyone else at the time. He then drove me to the clinic the following day and waited for hours in the parking lot until I came out. He then drove me to get medications and supplies as prescribed, and then drove

in the Holliday. Pretty tough to hear this, As Gloria Alread holds up a photograph of herschel Walker in bed Rick Davis, does it matter, you know, Look, it's another bad week for herschel Walker on the campaign trail. Um whether or not that impacts his base people who really don't care about him, but one a Republican in the Senate, so the Senate can be Republican majority. Uh, it's not

going to affect them. But in order to get there, he's probably got a few, you know, tens of thousands of voters who are going to have to say, you know, what I gotta come to grips with this, and those swing voters are going to be thinking about abortion going into the election, and that's a bad thing for him. We haven't seen this move the nearly yet, really, Genie, especially after the debate their their neck and neck. Does this change anything? Yeah, and let's not forget early voting.

About one million voters already cast their ballots in Georgia, so these late drops of information have lesson of an impact than they used to do before we had so much early voting in the United States. Um. I did have to look up the rickey Bobby referenced Joe Matthew because my movie Trivia escaped me Talladega Nights. I don't know if I've seen it. I don't know what's seen that. What that was. I highly encourage you to watch that. Okay, I I was baffled by that, But now I'm sort

of we're getting to the good content. We're getting to the good content, I guess. But the reality is is this is another example, if it's proven to be true, of hypocrisy and the part of herschel Walker because he has taken a stance at least prior to the debate that women in Georgia and around the country shouldn't have an option and they shouldn't have there, not even in

the case for exceptions for rape or incest. He changed that over the debate, and yet we've got another story of what's not good for the American women is okay for herschel Walker when it pleases him, And so if it's proven to be true, it's that hypocrisy. But to Rick's point, it's hard to know whether it matters or not at this point. Yeah, when we're going to find out real soon. The election is less than two weeks off, whether you're looking at the Federman Oz race or the

Walker Warnock race. I had to think about that for a second. It's going to be right down to the wire and we may not know the day after who won these races, which is something we're all trying to get around in our heads here as we head for the election night. Genny, thank you, great to have you at World Headquarters in New York. Rick Davis in Washington, will meet you back here tomorrow. On the fastest hour in politics. Where does it go? This is Bloomberg, bloom