Sound On: "Big Truth" Author Major Garrett, Trump Hints 2024 Run

Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Donald Trump stokes the fires again, publicly flirting with a run in even before the elections next week. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as we walk into the final weekend of the cycle. Here we are crazy time, fully intact, with almost three hundred so called election deniers on ballots across the country, and power on Capitol Hill in the balance.

Will bring you a special conversation for the moment. Major Garrett is here with us, long time Washington correspondent of course, now with CBS News and co author of the new book The Big Truth. Later, Paul Pelosi out of the

hospital as we learned new details about his attack. While Nancy Pelosi considers her political future, Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins covers the leadership in the House and joins us tonight along with our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Genie Schanzano here for the hour and so here we are the threshold of the last weekend of the

mid term campaign. It's Donald Trump's steering attention away from the candidates he has endorsed and onto himself, leaking first of all that he may announce a run for reelection on or around November four. They actually got the date out there, start building the risers, and then this little tease last night at a rally in Iowa. Here he is, I will very very very probably do it again. Okay, very very very very very very very those T shirts

are already out there, right. Yeah, it doesn't take a lot, boy, not on this night in Iowa. Chuck Grassley in the house, who was outdoors, Actually John Deer hats everywhere. Oh that's nice. Well, get ready, that's all I'm telling Yeah, get ready, okay. And then the reports are everywhere, no, which is all you know, it's basically what he's already said, just two

more berries, so people like me will play it for you. Uh. And of course Donald Trump is not on the ballot next Tuesday, but a lot of his chosen candidates are, and as we've discussed, many including those who continue to question the outcome of the election and are poised to win. President Biden spoke about that last night. To listen, it's estimated after more than three election deniers on the ballot all across America this year, we can't ignore the impact

this is having on our country. Is damage, is corrosive, and it's destructive with candidates for Secretary of State, attorney General, of course governor, potentially stacking states like Arizona with yes, the election deniers, and boy, I know that can be qualified in a lot of different ways, and I'll have to deal with that after. But that's why I wanted to talk with Major Garrett tonight as everybody goes into

it hopefully a big thinking weekend. The CBS News correspondent, Chief Washington correspondent is out with a new book, but he co wrote with David Becker. It's called The Big Truth, Upholding Democracy in the Age of the big lie. There are a few working journalists in Washington who have his sense of history, and I want to welcome you a major to Bloomberg Sound On. Thank you for joining us. I'm very very very very very very happy to be

with you. Very very well done. You not only work the debunk conspiracies in this book surrounding the twenty election, but you move the ball forward here to next week and and beyond. Could you have imagined when you started writing this that so many politicians to say Joe Biden stole the election would be nominated and poised to win.

I feared it might be true. And one of the reasons that David and I felt compelled to write the book was to have something permanent, comprehensive, one place where you can get all the answers you're looking for about this fundamental question. And look, I don't consider it an unimportant question. Was the election stolen? That's a really important question. It's an important question about any election, and it should and deserves to be answered, and it has been I

like to sometimes talk about this in NFL term. There have been more than one hundred video reviews of the same play. They've all upheld the original call okay, and it's not close. It's not as if there is one part of the cleat hanging ever so slightly over the sideline making the difference between a first down or fourth down, or a touchdown or a non touchdown. It's not close.

All the video reviews, all of the courts, all of the people who have been asked for the quote unquote evidence have either provided evidence that doesn't exist, that doesn't say what they say it does, or walked away. And let me give you a very specific, contemporary, very recent example. There is a documentary out there. It has the number two thousand in it. I won't grace it with its full title, but it has the title two thousand is a minute's say, thirty dollars to watch it, you have

to be thirty dollars. Okay. This is one of the parts of this and two jurisdictions in our country, Arizona and Georgia. Yeah, said you know what, this looks interesting to us, and went to the producers of this film and said we would like to see your evidence. Nothing was given to the law enforcement entities in Arizona and Georgia. Nothing, because it would have to withstand what scrutiny. It would have to actually prove what is tantalizing Lee but deeply

deceptively suggested. And that's what's part of this whole carnival allies around the election. And there's actually a very good news story not only about the election, but about what's going to happen on Tuesday, which is, our elections are local. There is no federal Department of Elections. We do this locally. We do this at the city, county, neighborhood, and precinct level, ten thousand of them across our country. Americans do your

neighbors do this hard work. Many of them volunteers, many of them professional election administrators, some Democrats, some Republicans, some Independents, but all devoted to one thing, making sure people can cast their ballots calmly, safely, assessibly, and that those ballots are accurately counted. And we do that work in our country now better than we've ever done it before even close. Joe Biden or whoever is writing the speech last night,

crystallized your point pretty well last evening. Listen to how he puts it. The great irony about the two twenty elections is that it's the most attacked election in our history. And yet and yet there's no election in our history that we can be more certain and of its results. How do we rationalize that? Uh, knowing the stark numbers of people who still believe this, So I, as you

might imagine, I've given this a lot of thought. And when you read the book, and I hope people who have questions about election will take the time to read the book or ask somebody who has because David and I go out of our ways to say Trump supporters who have doubts about this election are not all rioters. They're not all insurrectionists. Their patriots who love this country. We believe they love this country. We're not trying to lecture them. I, of course, ever sound as if I'm

lecturing them. I just want to say, to use a phrase that Abraham Lincoln used to use with some frequency, I just asked them to disenthrall themselves from the idea that something happened in the election to overturn a just result because somebody got into the system. It simply did not happen. And the former president of the United States lost that election baron Square. It wasn't as close to the election, and down ballot, meaning in races where Donald

Trump was not on the ticket. As we all know, Republicans prevailed very well, surprisingly well, and they were elected, as you know. And I want to go onst to bring into their soul on the same ballot, with the same process. So if they have the conferred authority at the state level or the federal level to say that election was corrupt, they're saying their election was corrupt, and they never ever say that. Look, that breaks apart right

right at the right, at the edge. It just breaks apart right there, which is why it's important to acknowledge. You put that perfectly. It's important to acknowledge that it took a lot of Republicans to elect Joe Biden. Is also what you're saying, Yes, yes, And guess what they did either, they didn't vote off of the presidency in Georgia. More, the twenty tho people who cast ballots down ballot did not cast a ballot either or Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

That almost never happens. Usually it's the other way around. As you well know, people vote the big east and leave the little ones. No, no, they've made a concert At twenty Trump lost by about ten and a half thousand in Georgia. If he'd only persuaded half of the people who couldn't stompa voting for either of them to

vote for him, he'd have won in Georgia. And so here we find ourselves, Major Garrett, in a time of great stress and in a real conversation happening in this country about whether political violence is appropriate, which is incredible to witness. And as you write in your book, more than a year after the attack on the capitol, the public is still searching for accountability. The case cannot provide it. So how do you get to the next step from here?

So there are mechanisms by which accountability and accountability sometimes takes a long time. So there are defamations law lawsuits against those who, in a quasi journalistic way pushed the big lie. And those defamation suits, they've been asked over and over to get rid of them. They're not foundational, they have no basis, and courts have set over and over again, Oh no, there's a basis, And you've got to explain why you did what you did in public

to harm the reputation of these companies. That's one level of accountability clear to the prosecutions of those who attack the capitol and committed acts of violence and destegration. That accountability is coming, and for the attorneys involved, some of them are losing their law licenses, some of them are

having other financial stresses placed upon them. Arizona's Attorney General, Mark Bernovitch, who has said, and he said on sixty Minutes, very recently, I looked everywhere I could to find evidence of fraud. I couldn't find it. What has he done recently?

He has recommended that you dot Justice Department look into possible RICO charges against people who perpetrate and profit from the big law in an organized, systematic way, knowing it's wrong, but defrauding people who send them money because they believe they're being told the truth. These levels of accountability take a very very long time, and sometimes the profiteers will make lots more money and pay fines and the accountability

will not be proportional, but accountability will come. I do believe in our system because the one thing I know about this election in those facts will never move, they will never change, and they will never yield because of the reporting that you did. But of course, next Tuesday there could be a new crop of politicians to your point, as you right here, Let's be clear the fight is occurring at the local and state level where election denialism

continues to fester. These are the people, of course, who will have if they win, jurisdiction over counting these votes, over certifying the votes in some cases depending on how the state works. None. None, None more than Arizona here where you have Carry Lake, who's running for governor, and Mark Fincham. Uh both could really uh clean up next week. Mark Fincham set for to be the next Secretary of

State of Arizona. Listen to Carry Lake two days ago and it was just a remarkable moment that you probably heard major talking about conspiracies or I'll just remove that word the election. Here's Carry Lake. The truth is that Joe Biden did not win with eighty one million votes laugh another laugh track. And if you believe he did, then you are the conspiracy theorist. All right, yeah, right, if you're if you were with us in sound on,

you heard that last night or yesterday. Mark Finchham of course again the candidate for Secretary of State of Arizona talking about uh, Carry Lake's rival, who is who has that job right now, Katie Hobbs, And how my goodness, you know, just imagine what could happen with this person who's not resigning. He thinks there should be a law forcing one to resign before they run for higher office. Here's Fincham, Well, it's not in law. So the current Secretary of State ain't gonna do it, even though she

is the senior elections director. Over all of that's kind of like, to use a baseball analogy, the guy who's up first to baton is also the umpire. What could possibly go wrong? Major Garrett? What could possibly go wrong? So that's completely wrong. Not surprisingly, yes, in a certain constitutional way, Katie Hobbs is the highest election official in Arizona. But as the experience, the grinding experience that's gone on for the better part of two years in Maricopa County

illustrates elections are administered at the local level. And when there were challenges before the Arizona State Legislature to what happened in Maricopa County, and the state legislature empowered the creation of a recount by a rogue outside agency or entity called the cyber Ninjas that was to inspect a local jurisdictions handling of ballots. The Secretary State had no power over that whatsoever. Okay, the Secretary of State in

Arizona can't change election results. They are certified through a process administered locally and then verify. And here's the thing that's worth remembering about the election of our ballots were cast on paper. The percentage in an election that Donald Trump duly one and became the forty present nited states as a result of at about seventy three paper ballots. Georgia didn't have paper ballots in Pennsylvania didn't Trump won both of those states. Okay, why does a paper ballot matter?

Because it is a verifiable paper and permanent and non hackable reflection of voter intent is exactly a chain of custody. They use the terminology, but they use it in ways that make it sound like they know when more than they actually know. They don't know. What they know is just enough to be deceptive and to continue this idea that there was some big ghost in the machine, to go back to my college days when I had that album by the rock band Police. Okay, there isn't a

ghost in the machine. You can't hack paper. You can never hack paper. That's what about the satellite? Don't answer that. Which country it rotates? Wait a minute, No it's Norway, Wait a minute, Venezuela. No, no it's Berundi. Wait a minute, Brundi doesn't have satellite, or maybe it's someplace else. So then let me ask you, lastly and more broadly, Uh,

what happens? What could go wrong when you have a state like Arizona, and and and we could find other examples where you have a new governor in a secretary of state who are in fact election deniers going into So let's be clear, we don't know the results of

this midterm election. I was talking to a Republican and Democratic strategy just about Arizona today and they're like that racist tightening things are things are going on that that whatever the pro polls were a couple of three days ago showing carry Lake kind of rolling this thing up, there's been that's receded a little bit. They're not sure how that's going to come out, So it's very much

up for graphs. Um. What is important to remember about whatever the outcome is in that Arizona election, the process by which that certific certified election result will be determined is precisely the same one as in so if carry Lake wins, she will be endorsing the process that she's been slandering for two years. And I do believe that there is a disinfectant quality to that kind of rank public hypocrisy. It's great to talk you's been a long time,

Major Garrett. Thank you for the the time here on Bloomberg. It's fascinating and and a read that I would recommend the Big Truth upholding the mock pricy in the Age of the Big Lie, Chief Washington correspondent for CBS News, and he wrote it with David Becker, the election elections expert. Let's assemble the panel because it's something that we've talked about a lot around here with Rick and Genie, Bloomberg

Politics contributors and our signature panel. Uh Rick Davis, your thoughts on this with only days to go, and as Major pointed out, some of these races are tightening. Nothing is set in stone here, but as the President said, what is it? I think so called deniers, as identified by the Washington Post, a lot of them are gonna get elected next week. Yeah. First of all, kudos to Major Garrett for writing a definitive tone on what the facts were related to the election. That's really important to

have out. Their history is something we have to care about a year from now or two years from our ten years from now, I would say, Um, the only thing I'm surprised is by his you know, outlook on Arizona's competitiveness. If anything, that that I'm saying is the

Republicans have come home to roost. Um. Democrats haven't been able to sort of cut through the three biggest issues in the state right now, which are you know, inflation, crime and immigration and and you know, I think the only lagger on this is the Secretary of State race, where you know, uh, Benjamin is behind by more than the marginal error, and everybody else seems to be there up or dead even, and dead even is not good

for an incumbent Democrat. So um, you know, it'll be interesting to see what comes out, but it is definitely a state we'll be talking about all next year. New numbers show Mark Kelly doing better than he was a week ago. Rick, do you believe them? You know? Look, I mean there's been this talk about a sort of

democratic bubble, uh, towards the end of October. Um. You know, we saw a little of that in the in some of the public polls and towards the end of October, But in the last two weeks, everything I've seen is sort of a Republican base coming back and being recharged. And uh, and I you know, I think I'd rather have the momentum going to elections that pull from October.

Fair enough, Jenny, what's your thought on on this and what it could mean for twenty four That's really what we're talking about here, right If election deniers in fact, you uh, find themselves in office and in control of election apparatus, that's the next stop here. And it's looking a lot like Donald Trump is going to be running if we believe what he's leading onto here and saying for Joe Biden, they both look like they're they're ready for a rematch. How do you how do you prepare

to cover that? And how do you trust? How does how does the public trust what they're hearing in terms of numbers? I very very very believe that Donald Trump

will probably run. Joe Matthew, Um, I'm buying it too. Um. You know, I think there's two scary aspects And I echo what Rick said about Major's book, it's in critically important and what does history tell us and what are we hearing even just today and on the ground, we're hearing people like Ron Johnson, who are running today for Senate in Wisconsin, saying he cannot commit to accepting the results of the election because quote unquote, he doesn't know

what the Democrats have planned. So we have what looks like it will be a large number of contests from people should they lose. That's gonna happen immediately as the results start to come in and may carry on for days, if not weeks or months. Then you go to the historic aspect of this, which is what you were talking about. You know, some people are saying three in our fifty election deniers on the ballot, many of those people will win.

And what history tells us is that's how democratic backsliding occurs. People are elected democratically and then they begin to dismantle the system from the inside. And that is the really scary part of this. As we move from two to Trump, Biden's announcements in twenty four and other people, and we move to a system in which it is election deniers who are in control of these systems, and it's very

Orwellian and very very very scary. Joan, Well, sure, and in some cases, Genie, it's because Democrats paid for their nominations. I mean, some of these candidates were talking about we're not the choice of the mainstream Republican party, and we do have to remind ourselves of this, and that's going to have to be a you know, a little bit of reckoning for Democrats if they win. It is and and in the case of Bulldock, which we talked about yesterday, it's a big reckoning. It was not the right move.

And my friends on the Republican side tell me often not to forget, and I think it's critical, critically important to be balanced. Democrats too have questions, have questioned the outcome of elections sixteen in Georgia, the presidential election. Obviously, we've heard that in the governor's race in Georgia. And I'm not saying, you know, they're wrong to question the results, but it has been denial on both sides, and it has now come through the system and it is going

to be implanted in a very scary way. So Rick, what do you believe or what's your thought on this story? Here that Donald Trump's working up a an announcement November on or around, uh, financially speaking, what it makes sense for him to do that knowing that he doesn't want to lose money or spend more than he needs to, or is clearing the field more valuable right now? Well, sometimes clearing the field means having a big pocketbook out there, right and that you're prepared to use it. And I

think that's an important distinction with Trump. First of all, this is exactly what Donald Trump said over the summertime that he was going to announce very very very likely, um, right before this election, and everybody was freaking out about it. Oh my god, what a crazy movement would be. Well it turned out he even agreed with that, and so, um, yeah, it's what he says, But you can't always trust what

he says. Um. John McCain used to say when he was talking about Trump, listen to what he says, but like you know, it's usually different than what he does. And so see what he does. Um. The reality too is he doesn't spend his own money. So this idea of clearing the field, because you've got a hundreds of millions of dollars in account um may not hold true only because he doesn't spend Rick and Jeannie our signature panel. We're bringing Emily Wilkins next. As Paul Pelosi gets out

of the hospital. This is Bloomberg. Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg Sound On. As we have just finally heard from speaker. Nancy Pelosi didn't hold a public event or anything but a virtual call with supporters and spoke for the first time here following the attack on her husband Paul Pelosi one week ago today. That's what we were talking about last Friday at this time here she is. It's gonna be a long haul, but he will be well, and it's just so tragic how happened, but nonetheless we

have to be optimistic. He's surrounded by family, so that's a wonderful thing and doctors and back home as well. As we've been telling you, Paul Pelosi has been released from the hospital in San Francisco, and as the speaker just indicated, it's gonna take a long time to repair a skull fracture that he had surgery on for that to heal other injuries as well that were sustained during the attack, and we've learned more about it. It's just

the horrifying stuff here. Uh And newly obtained court documents prosecutors say this started just after two am. Uh, David de pap is that what we're going with now? I hear everything? My god is everyone that's de Peppie de pep I believe it's David de pep stood over Paul Pelosi sleeping in bed. Okay, so he woke up to this. Just put yourself in this, you know, because you're in bed alone, spouse is gone, apparently no security, at least physical security, and you wake up to somebody calling your

name asking if you're Paul Pelosi. Guys holding a big hammer in his right hand and zip ties in his left hand. The PEPs says, where's Nancy. That's when this all started. Where's Nancy? Paul Pelosi is waking up. She's not here, and so he wanted to know, well, when's she gonna be back. And when he said she's, well, she's in Washington, he says, okay, well I'm gonna tie

you up. He told him this was the end of the road for him, pulled him out of bed, and of course told the police he was on a suicide mission. So there's a lot of questions here about obviously motivation and some pretty scary stuff as this becomes in some cases. And I'll tell you what I mean in a moment, a point of almost comedy for some of Nancy Pelosi's critics. Emily Wilkins has been all over this. Of course, you know where well from this broadcast because she covers the

leadership in the House. This is like Emily's crew here reporting for Bloomberg Government and keeping us up to date with everything that's going on. Emily, thanks for being here. I know you're in the throes of mid term coverage as well, but this is all connected here, and what a massive distraction for the speaker here essentially on the eve of mid term elections. What are you hearing about her well being? It's been a week since she's been out in public. Are we gonna be seeing her over

the weekend? And certainly there there are many concerns, um, you know, for Pelosi, for her husband, Paul Pelosi. We've heard that from from Democrats. We have heard that from Republicans who have spoken up um. Certainly, we've heard other Republicans who have tried to make light of the matter, who have tried to, uh, sort of parlay it into politics. You heard Glenn Young can be like, you know, we're gonna send Pelosi home to California. I mean that you know there. So it's been a bit of a mixed

response here. Really, I have to say though, at a certain point. I mean, we're at this moment where a lot of other folks within the Democratic Party are out there on the campaign trail. I mean, you've got Biden going places, You've got a Vice president Kamala Harris going places. You had Hillary Clinton show up in New York, you have a number of surrogates criss crossing the country. And yes, Pelosi is a machine when it comes to fundraising. She

is one of the best fundraisers out there. But as far as doing individual events, I mean, this is something that that everyone's just having to work through at this point.

I think there are a lot of folks out on the trail, although I would be I would imagine that we are going to be in hearing from her next week, um as the elections get underway, as well as after the elections, because the big question in d C post the elections is what her future is going to be and That's what I want to ask you about here, because something like this happens to you, Emily, it's either

gonna I mean, it's gonna impact your worldview. It's going to impact the way you look at yourself and of course the role that you play in your family and all this other stuff. Um, does it make her want to run more, which I could see by the way in her the history of her personality, her character, or just say, you know, what the hell with it. I'm

just I'm going to retire after this. I mean, that's that's such a great question, Joe, And I think Pelosi is always um sort of this this master strategist who's always you know, she's she's playing that sort of three dimensional chest. I mean, say what you want about Pelosi, but she has someone who from a legislative perspect different a policy from a politics perspective, certainly knows how to

play the game. Will what happened with her husband factor and training decisions she makes it absolutely must, But certainly she's been thinking about this moment for some time now. I mean we saw her four years ago say I'll only do two more terms as speaker and then give the gabbl to someone else, especially if Republicans win on Tuesday, win control of the houses, they're expected to do, so it really seems like that kind of maybe opens up

a path for new Democratic leadership to come in. But you know what, Joe, you talked to folks all throughout this city, and you'll get a lot of speculation, you'll get a lot of thoughts, but but really there's no consensus here about what anthy Pelosi is going to be doing and keeps things nice and tight around there. Although hackem Jeffries, I mean, he's going to be reelected, right, and the and the talk really is that he's the

he's the speaker in waiting. The question is, I guess what would she do potentially for the next two years in the minority. That certainly is a austin and we're certainly expecting Closi to continue to hold the gabble to be speaker throughout the Lane duck session. There's more that Democrats want to do. There's things that they think that they can do that they can't get over the finish line in between November and January three next year, and

she'll be there to guide it. I mean, she's had a very tough job these last two years working with you. Know it's a it's a five vote margin, but sometimes it's been as low as four or three. Keeping everyone in her Lucus together has has been no small task. How true? Well, I always love talking to Emily. Good luck with your coverage this weekend. We'll be together on election Night. Of course, Emily will be on Capitol Hill as part of our special election coverage. Listen to Donald Trump.

Remember I told you was in Iowa last night, referring to the Speaker of the House. We're going to end crazy Nancy Pelosi's political career once scar. Yeah, a lot of that going around. And when you hear what Marjorie Taylor Green was saying even more the reaction at that same rally, you'll know what I'm talking about. As we

reassemble the panel. Next, Rick and Jeannie in waving here on the fastest hour in politics, Joe, Matthew and Washington will check traffic and markets for you as you would expect, and get back to the conversation. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The listener tweets that I just said there's a conversation in this country about whether political violence is appropriate. I may not have said it the right way, Miguel,

but it's not a lie. We've been talking about this a lot here, and specifically that Paul. Remember this from the COVID States Project that family a quarter of Americans say it's sometimes okay to use violence against the government. One in ten Americans say violence is justified right now. I mean, I don't know, I didn't take the poll,

but twenty three thousand people around the country. We're part of this project, and when you hear the rhetoric out there, I mean, my goodness, it seems like somebody's talking about it. We reassembled the panel. Rick Davis and Jeannie Schanzana were here, of course, as always on Bloomberg Sound On. Marjorie Taylor Green was at the Trump rally in Iowa and mentioned Paul Pelosi. By the way, it was less about what she said, although that made headlines, and more about the

crowd reaction. Listen, Americans are robbed, stabbed, raped, kidnapped, carjacked, and murdered, but only the only crime victim you hear about from Democrats and the media is Paul Pelosio. Paul Pelosi was brutally attacked by a drugged out illegal alien that should have been deported, and Paul Pelosi should have been a gun owner and shot his attacker. Right. Look, I don't know that that part, but yes, he's an

undocumented he's from he's Canadian. You've heard that, right, But yeah, the Pelosi brand, I'll tell you what is about as divisive as it gets in American politics, Genie, what does it tell you when you hear a crowd respond like that? You know, it explains in part why she has raised millions of dollars, why Kevin McCarthy has her standing behind him when he's making speeches, why she is saying that if McCarthy doesn't listen to her, he's going to have

a very difficult time if he is elected speaker. Because this is what is selling to the base of the Republican Party, and they are buying into it. And that's where we have to say, shame on us. Um. She is doing this because it has been lucrative for her, and there is no leadership and the Republican Party who will stand up and say enough is enough. And that is where leadership really does matter. She's not going to be shot down or you know, quelled at all by

Kevin McCarthy or anybody else in the leadership. And so she will continue to raise money and she will continue to be a powerful force in this party until somebody comes in and you know, tamps down on this kind

of rhetoric that is so violent and so divisive. Rick, this is this guy tweeting at our conversation right now says that, uh, that the conversations about whether people like Joe will be permitted to blame Republicans when a Democrat has attacked and then either ignore when Republicans are attacked or just call it mental illness. Um I I really we all, I think all three of us try to play this is down the middle as we can here and look at and we have referenced cases on both

sides here of political violence going back years. But to what extent of Democrats missed the mark on not addressing the crime issue, because that, Rick, is where this has been going. When it comes to Republican critics, they say, Okay, yes this happened to Paul Pelosi, but it's another instance of crime in a city like San Francisco that Democrats won't talk about. Yeah. I think this is really the

fundamental thing. I mean, I think Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, she just uses all these kinds of divisive rhetoric to you know, divide people and and create anger amongst the base, which then I think she thinks will help turn them out. We'll see. But um, yeah, this is a missed opportunity

by Democrats. They control virtually every major city, uh there make a mayoral leadership in the country, UM, where most of this record um crime wave is going on, and yet they've really just sort of kicked it down the road. I mean, you can see governor's races after government races, uh, state wide, UM, constitutional offices, Senate where where Democrats are

in peril. And one of the reasons, it's not the only reason, but one of the reasons, is because voters are telling us that they want something done on crime, and and there doesn't seem to be an answer forget a policy or program, but even an answer on the part of the Democrats, it's too late to fix that. If that's the case, Genie, with what are we four days to go? But what do Democrats have a reckoning ahead when it comes to that issue, they absolutely do.

I live in New York and this is the number one issue according to most polls, on the minds of New Yorkers as they head to the polls. And this is why our gubernatorial race is so close at this point in a state that's overwhelmingly Democratic, and Democrats have had signs of this that they have gone unnoticed and unheeded for a long time. Go back to Democrats were getting hit in the suburbs on this very issue and haven't addressed it. And so it is something that they

are going to have to reckon with. You're right, it's far too late. I sent out to you and Brick and and other people today a great piece that I recommend to everybody by Stanley Greenberg talking about I think it's titled how Democrats mishandled crime and um, you know in my own state. I will just give an example for your listener. Bail reform is something that has been

an issue for several years. Democrats miss made a huge misstep on that the governor may pay for it come up in every debate and the head of the d C, d apple See, may pay for that very mistake. So it is something to be reckoned with. And the reality is people who Democrats claim are their base constituency are very concerned about crime and it hasn't been addressed by their own party, so they start to look elsewhere. And

that's why Republicans are making inroads and blue states. Before I changed the topic slightly here, Genie, does that mean that Lee's Elden is going to be your next governor? He could be. I still think Kathy Hook will likely pull it out just numbers wise, but it's going to be far too close for comfort. But if it goes zeld In early on Tuesday night, we know that we are in for a tsunami on the Republican side because he should not be winning a state with these numbers.

It's is an uphill battle. If he does it, it's because Democrats really flubbed this well. He's really seized on that issue in a successful way that that a lot of other Republicans have as well. Uh, you know, speaking of tweets, the tweeting and as while we're talking here, which I always love and invite people to do twitters

in the news just all day every day. Now because of Elon who's he's man a week Elon Musk has had uh he says, the advertisers are they're going away here and a quote massive drop in revenue unquote, even though no changes have been made this whole thing. I mean, I'm assuming what do I know about how they cook up the algorithms on these social media pages. But the fact the matter is nothing has actually been announced. They have announced some layoffs apparently, but we've had audiego away,

Fiser pulled General Mills, all temporarily pausing spending on ads. Well, they wait to see what happens under Elon Musk's leadership. Uh, he tweets extremely messed up exclamation point. They're trying to destroy free speech in America, referring to uh activists who, of course you know these Can you imagine these advertisers were hearing from them all day long. Enter Ao c Alexandria Costio Cortez always just highly capable in seizing the moment.

Here for for some publicity, she was criticizing Elon Musk about a blue check costing. You know they're going to charge you now for the notification, which is why a lot of us will see our blue checks go away eight bucks a month. She thought that was ridiculous, and she says that Elon Musk in fact retaliated. Listen, so I pulled my Twitter app and it's like gone, like when you pull up your mentions and stuff like that. It's just like literally like a blank screen, totally gone.

And I was like, hmm, that's weird. So it turns out we got under a certain little billionaire skin. I made fun of a chilly little plan to charge people for verification and priority placement. You play eight dollars to people see your tweets more. I'm just silly, silly, She says. She's eating, eating the whole time she's at the camera talking, and it was about bagel. What the heck was going

very hungry. I couldn't get the video done yet. Uh. And went on to talk about this because you know, then he were taliated with a tweet photographing something on her website, a sweatshirt that he thought was going for too much money. Uh. And she comes back for Warriors AOC.

Whenever you have one person that has a massed that much socially influential wealth, usually off of the backs of skimming off of an underpaying working people or exploiting them or the planet in some way, like when they've amassed that much, it does not help society. In fact, it hurts society. Okay, Rick Davis, that's the message though, really, But that that she's making here billionaires are bad? Is that the message of the Democratic Party. That's certainly been

her message. She wrote it to an election victory and when she first got elected and subsequently and and and it's been her entire platform for financial policy. Right, let's let's have billionaire tax tax charges and things like that. So do you she's just being consistent, right, I mean, like, and he just happens to be the largest target in

the world. He's the richest man, he's got Twitter, he's got all these other assets, and and I think that you're gonna see, especially the liberal progressive caucus in the Democratic House unleashed on people like him. Right, anybody with any well too upsets their cultural appetite is gonna get

hammered the way this is happening now. At the same time, you know, you can argue with how he's administering his leadership over Twitter, and you know, she might have some points on some of this stuff, but to do it with a McNugget in your mouth. I mean, come on, clean up your act. Your mother didn't teach you to go and do things on you know, Twitter, with food in your mouth. I still believe the time and a

place for everything. The congresswoman does everything on purpose is my my personal theory, Genie, Like, I mean, everything is so carefully calculated. You wanted to do that almost as a way. I don't know, to show disrespect to Elon Musk. What did you make of it? It made me hungry, I have to be honest, I was hungry listening and I don't know, sweet and sour sauce for God, that's right, you know. So, yeah, she does things on purpose. She does them well. Um, I think you should get sound

on sweatshirts and sell them for fifty bucks. Joe Matthew fastest our sweatshirts. Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, I think I think you'll make a killing there, Joe Matthew, you'll be able to afford your verification check. Well, get ready to hear a lot more about billionaires in the next two years. Genie, Thank you so much, and Rick Davis our signature panel thanks to Bearded Micguel on Twitter. You guys, have a great weekend. I'll meet you back here Monday. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg