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your pain and we're here to address it. And this is how Droomberg sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. A need call from Washington to authorize the use of force in Ukraine. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as talk of drawing redlines grows. Louder will be joined by Congressman Michael McCall, Republican from Texas, ranking member the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and by Max Baucher's former democra Hadic senator and former ambassador to China. Tomorrow's primary day

in Ohio, this is getting real. Donald Trump's latest endorsement on the line, even though the former president is struggling to remember his name, will tell you what to watch with Bloomberg National politics reporter Ryan T. Beckwith the panel today. Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic analyst Gennie Chanzano, along with Republican

media strategist Adam Goodman with us for the hour. The war in Ukraine approaching week ten now and more members of Congress are talking out loud about red lines and even the possible use of force. What would justify it?

Congressman Adam Kinsinger, Republican from Illinois who serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, talked about this move that he is making to seek a use of force authorization on CBS's face the nation here he is, I just introduced an a u m F an authorization for the use of military force, giving the president basically congressional leverage or permission to use it if w M d's nuclear, biological, or chemical are used in Ukraine. Doesn't compel the president

to do it. It just says if it is used, he has that leverage. It gives him, you know, a better flexibility. But also it is a deterrent to Vladimir Putin leverage. And it's not the first time we've heard it. I spoke earlier about the war, including that particular factor with the top Republican on the Foreign Affairs Committee. That same panel, Congressman Michael mccaull of Texas was with us from the Milk and Institute Global Conference, and I asked

him to start about both of these issues. The funding bill, as I say, and the use of for serious We're still looking through it, but I you know, the broad picture here is more Lethoid for Ukraine and more humanitarian assistants as we're seeing more and more Ukrainians, you know, and civilians being killed by the Russians. So I think you're gonna see broad based by Parson support. My only point is at times of the essence, and we need

to do this now and outweight several weeks. Really pivotal critical time is right now in the fight against the Russians, and so they need these weapons right now, not two to three weeks down the road. Well, with that said, there's talk about attaching potentially COVID funding, maybe even funding for the border. Congressman, with that slow this process or maybe jeopardize its passage. You know, you could, and I don't really like uh attaching non related bills to something

of this importance. This is a of critical importance to the fight in Ukraine against Russia. Russia, I mean, to to make it political is the wrong thing to do. If the COVID restrictions are code Aid package is put in there, I think you would have to put something related to the border, particularly Title forty two, that that will not be suspended, as the President has talked about

doing Thomressman McCall. We've seen Congressman Adam Kinzinger introduce a Use of Military Force Authorization Bill for the idea of drawing a redline essentially of FODIM or putin word to use nuclear or chemical weapons. It would trigger or at least give the President the opportunity to use American troops on the ground. Is this a conversation that you're having

on the Foreign Affairs Committee? Well, the Foreign Affairs Committee is the committee of jurisdiction that would produce an authorization of use of military force. We are having this debate. If they throw chemical weapons or short range tactical nukes into Ukraine, I think that completely changes a dynamic, you know, as to whether or not the world is gonna sit by highli and watch that happen without doing anything. I could be very hard to do that. I think we

would have to respond in kind. And I think Mr Putine needs needs to know that that there are red lines he just can't cross. Congressman Michael McCall earlier today you can add his name then to members discussing this possibility of using American troops. And I'm glad today that we can add Max Bochus's voice to this. The former Democratic senator, former ambassador to China is with us right now. Mr ambassador, thank you for coming back to talk to

us on Bloomberg Radio. Should Congress approve the use of force authorization as leverage as they say that that draws the red line on weapons of mass destruction? Well, the president has authority already. Congress doesn't have to do it, But of course presidents would like Congress to enact legislation that gives them support national backing. Um, that's a that's a presidential call. He knows a situation. Zecutive branchtones a

better frankly than to's Congress. But that's as good. Well, it should be on the table, and that's up to the president. Are you worried about that creeping closer to reality? The longer this goes on, people are not only outraged by the images that they are seeing. But the United States now seems to believe Ukraine can and needs to win this. Well, I don't know that we're going to have a clear win. I think it's it's going to be a resolution that where neither side thinks it's one

totally certainly will not win totally. Um is stuff, he's strong. Um, he's a thug. You'll keep fighting as long as he can. And he's regrouping a bit in eastern Ukraine. So I don't think there'll be a total win. I think states that the United States wants to just cripple put In as much as possible make it less likely that he emerges again. Well, to the extent of crippling Russia. Here, should the House and sent it pass this Ukraine eate

in a clean bill? I don't know if you heard Congress of McCall on that, or should Democrats attach COVID funding or border funding other things that are needed now, even if it means slowing things down a bit. Well, um, I think that COVID and Ukraine both are should be first urgently passed. But politics is politics, and sometimes members of converse have different points of view that is they want to UH pursue their own agenda. This case is

the border issue, and that's leverage. And my guess is in the end of his some kind of accommodation UM, so that the two are passed. That is COVID in Ukraine, but something that's done about the border. We ask you about China, ambassador, have warnings by this administration made any difference in China's posture towards Russia or or is it getting worse. I don't think it's having much effect on China and China's China. China will do all that it

wants to do for China. China straddling UM between helping Russia and looking like the world savior at least a broker. On the other hand, UM and frankly a, China finds that putents invasion of Ukraine is a big farm in their side, especially since he's not winning UM. And add to that, the Russian invasion Ukraine is causing huge economic dislocations around the world, which also affect in China. And

so it's um. China will pursue its own economic reach as much as they can, but it's as us criticism of China is not gonna have much effect on China. You know, we heard today from General Petreas was speaking with Bloomberg TV and Radio on Balance of Power, and he was talking about the supply chain issues that are even impacting ambassador our ability to provide or refresh weapons

systems for Ukraine and for ourselves. I think the White House sataday it takes two hundred semiconductors to make one javelin missile as the President prepares to visit that factory tomorrow. And Uh. Interestingly, a lot of this has to do with China because of the shutdowns that are impacting supply chainers, Petrea said, making things a little bit worse, or going back to where we were listening to what he said

today on Bloomberg. The problem is, of course everyone is competing for the same elements in supply chains, a lot of these having to do with microchips again, uh, and other components that have been frustrated because of actions with zero COVID and China and a variety of other places around the world. So the supply chain disruptions that we saw in the earlier days of the pandemic are actually back to some degree right now, and there will be

limitations to that, Ambassador. The the impact, as you just said, of China's COVID policy, almost the same as saying economic policy is impacting the global economy. How bad does this get? It's bad, Um, It's very bad in fact, and ironically it's showing to some degree we need China, we need each other. Um. Collateral damage here is that we're becoming more decoupled, and that means it's more difficult to get products, get supplies, materials. That means there's more inflation, and it's

it means that we're much less efficient. Now. We want to protect ourselves against China. We need to protect our national security, but we also, I think, have to start look in China a different way. We have to realize that China is not going anywhere. It's a big country. It's economies not too many years down the road's gonna be large in ours. We just deal with China in a way where we're where we find some accommodations, but

protecting ourselves at the same time. Well, boy, there's a lot there to consider here, as as this bill in Washington to better compete with China is being debated and moving very slowly here, and we sort of watched the conversation with China and Russia continue here with regard to the war, though the idea potentially of secondary sanctions is one that's come up also a lot on Capitol Hill. What would that mean for China's economy in a potential

spring back on ours? Well, first, China's gonna do it I can to avoid secondary sanctions. It does not want them because that clearly will hurt their economy. Um, they're gonna just walk. They're gonna help rush up to the line where they where. Secretary sanctions are not impost, but if they were, of course China will probably retaliate. Um. It's difficult for Chinese to sit there and just take it. Um,

they will retaliate. And that's another example of how there's gonna be more decoupling, and it means that we have to do a better job I think, and finding a new way to accommodate China and accommodate but to deal with China. The more in nined States moves towards a bipolar foreign policy towards China, the more it's gonna be a cold war, and the more that we're gonna have deeper economic geopolitical military problems. I think we have to

start thinking about China new way. The President needs to meet with President She beyond a video call, I mean face to face. It takes more than a meeting. It's really a policy. It's a mindset um and it takes a lot of time. It takes building up first relationships. It takes much more communication between the US and China whole different, multitudinous, different number of ways. That's what it really does. He knows because he's been there. Ambassador. Thank you,

Former Ambassador to China. Former Montana Senator Max Bauchus with us on the fastest hour in politics as we get things rolling on a Monday, Thanks as well to Congressman Michael McCall, the Republican from Texas, speaking to us from the Milk and Conference. We assemble the panel. Next. Genie is with us along with Adam Goodman. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on

with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. They're writing the bill now to fund more weapons for Ukraine to bring more humanitarian relief. As we heard from the Speaker of the House today in Poland. You see Nancy Pelosi over the weekend. She's just offer trip to Kiev where she met in person with President Zelenski. Here she is today in Poland. We are already writing the bill for the thirty three billion dollars for weapons, for security, for humanitarian assistance, and

for economic assistance for meeting. Though she did not go so far as Congressman McCall, Congressman Kinzinger, or for that matter, Democratic Senator Chris Coons, all of whom have said, we've got to start the conversation here. At least Kinsinger is going so far as to write the use of force authorization request. And we assembled our panel to talk this

out a little bit here. Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic analyst Jennie Schanzano is with us, of course, along with Adam Goodman, National Republican media strategist, columnist Edward R. Murrow, senior fellow at Tufts University's Fletchers School. Great to have both of you here, Genny. Is this chorus going to grow louder

and maybe include more Democrats? Because it does seem like the longer it goes on, the more of a tug there will be despite what Max Bauchus just said, Chris Coon's has already suggested it, or we're going to have to get this on paper. You know, I actually agree with with Max Bochus that it doesn't need to be on paper. Congress doesn't need to do this. I believe the president has the authority to act if in that situation.

But I also believe that Congress, if they feel strongly about this, and I do think more Democrats get on board, by the way, I do think it makes sense for them to move forward with this. I think more importantly, though, is the aid, and that's where I think they should focus their attention first is on getting the all the money that has needed over a humanitarian UH, support the economics,

support the military aid, get that funded. Then they can do this because again I believe the presidents have this power to begin with. Anyways, Well, you know, it's interesting, Adam, because Kensinger specifically said as a deterrent, and that's been the idea here with Republicans, hope to frontload sanctions before there was ever an invasion. Is is there such a thing as that turrent with Vladimir Putin? Uh, I'm not

sure that we should test that. I mean, let's first talk about why is I mean, the Nancy Pelosi trip, by the way, was an incredible statement. I mean that's I didn't think I'd see that in my lifetime. She would make that kind of trip, go over and talk directly to um Zelinski and Kiev and talk to the people and talk to the leaders in Poland. That was a major mark. And you know why, Joe and Jenny

do you know why? Because unlike Afghanistan, where you know, after the the we we took down as Sama ben Lauden, the incredibly the engagement continued, but beyond cob but we the Americans, couldn't name another American city. Ukraine is a made for TV social media war. It's a reality war, and we know the names of Kiev and odescent on.

That's gonna Mario Paul and we're following it one day at a time, which is why Nancy Pelosi, uh and other Democrats are now starting to come over that fence and I think making making affirmative statements that we're gonna be there when it comes. Okay, well, you know, having Nancy Pelosi there, Uh is one thing, Jeanie, what does it actually change when she comes home to Washington, would she would she still attempt to attach COVID funding, border

funding and so forth. If it means slowing down the bill, she should not. And you know, you heard your conversation with with Representative McCall was so telling, because, of course he said, if they attach COVID age, they're going to have to attach Title forty two, and right there you get into a political firestorm. So, you know, I hope and hope that it is a clean bill with just the Ukrainian funding, but I'm not optimistic it's going to be.

And it's not just Nancy Pelosi's decision. Of course, She's got a big caucus to contend with, and there's gonna be a lot of pressure on her, you know, six months before a midterm election to get all of that in there, and I do think it would slow things up. Adam, what's your thought on the use of force authorization? Is it a distraction to have that conversation right now or

something that lawmakers need to start preparing for. Well, I think I think America has to have that conversation to see, you know, how far we're willing to go uh to defend something that we thought had been settled, uh, you know, half a century ago. But the whole idea about you know, it's gonna feel different if he drops a nuke. That's just it's just going to be a different world. That's

the point of it, all right. And and you know you've see the war planes and Russian war planes that are skirting with e U or airspace over the past few weeks, or they're testing our limits, and you know, none of us want to really get into that. But to Genie's point, and she's absolutely right, if this is the discussion in Washington will not be limited to Ukraine. The Republicans and others are gonna bring Title forty two

and other things into play. Those are what are bedeviling the party in power right now, and those are coming to define the mid terms. And that's a massive political liability for President Biden at this point. Forget Congress for a minute here, Jeanie not being able to deliver that funding. But let's say they get deal clean or or otherwise. You heard Adam describe Genie what it meant for Nancy Pelosi to show up there. And she wasn't alone. Adam

Schiff was there. Uh, Congressman McGovern was there other members of the Democratic Party in this codel? Uh, what would it mean if Joe Biden showed up to deliver that funding? If they get this done on the hill. You know, I have been waiting for this moment, and I do think we will see that. Although we understand I do. I know that they have said it may not be safe,

but I still feel like they're going to go. Although they did say there was some shelling just hours before Nancy Pelosi got on the ground there, so it is a dangerous and fraught situation. But I do think we do see him over there, because there were ten days where where Keith wasn't hit. So I think he goes over there, and he should go over there to deliver a funding bill that's clean, with the support that's needed and the British security assessment of how much damage has

been done to the Russian uh Mille Terry amazing. I love this panel. Geanie and Adams, stay right where you are. This is Bloomberg. Thanks for being with us on sound On. As we turn to electoral politics, you know it's primary day tomorrow. It's gonna get busy this month. If you look at the calendar, some really important states are coming, including Georgia, Pennsylvania. Tomorrow it's Ohio we're watching with the headline on the terminal Trump script on GOP gets first

test via JD Vance in Ohio primary. Did you say, j D Vance? Here's Donald Trump at the rally on Saturday night. You know, we've endorsed Dr Oz, We've endorsed JP great, j D Mandel? What and he's doing great. They're all doing good? Well they well, who's doing good? He endorsed J. D Vance, who's running against Josh Mandel and the president. Boy, I don't know, maybe they had a long conversation about which one we should go with. Here you think about one, the other name comes out.

Now I'm talking Josh Mandel, who's actually you know, he's gone out of his way to to show himself wrapped in all things Trump. Get a taste of this campaign ad. Boys are boys and girls are girls. Black lives matter. They're the racists, not us. The Bible is a book of love, not if you agree with me, please join me in saving America. In saving America almost like it was written by the Trump campaign. And if you look at his stuff, I mean, check it out on social media.

Look at his fundraising emails. He's with Trump at every turn. How about that, though, Let's grab every third rail in fifteen seconds and call it an ad. So it's been a heck of a little primary to watch here, and you know, because of the Trump endorsement. As we've told you, j d Vance comes from behind, and he's essentially tied in some recent polls within a point or two with j Mandel, and so there's going to have to be I'm assuming some pretty legitimate voter confusion going into this

whole thing. But this is why we have Ryan take beckwith who joins us now Bloomberg National Politics reporter Ryan or. People are going to go into the polls voting for Josh Mandel because they thought Trump endorsed him. You know, Uh, he's the thing. This is a seven candidate race, and in Ohio primaries are determined by plurality. So I think that the person who wins the person who manages to find just that slightly bigger groups of people who like

them then who don't like them. This is kind of our Trump actually weren't in the beginning of the Republican climate is back in Steen that he was he had a cord committed people who liked him. Now here's the thing. I don't think any of these seven people really have a court with people who like them. Um. All of them are wearing Trump suits. Um, but you know they don't if if not authentic. Uh. And I think it shows Jady Vance is the most kind of uh over

the top. Here's the guy who used to you know, he's written for The Atlantic and written movies for Hollywood and and you know, now he's kind of done this when A D. Trump and a lot of the other Candia ads, they usually featured j D events in the past, and it's bad guy and now he's all in on Trump. And Joshona is similar. Parent it just it sounds like somebody basically just uh, you know, reading someone else's campaignac out loud um and uh. I think there may be

an opening here. The Poles are you know, so uh Mahaky in his final days here, But there may be an opening for Mark Owen, who's kind of just stayed under the radar. And it could be that this is one of those primaries where the top two guys just blister each other with negative ads so much that the person who is sort of acceptable. Uh, somehow eats out of win. He's he's not nobody, He's a state senitor and he is his family owned the Slant Guardian. For

some reason, Trump has banished him. But he's still very trumpy. And I'm gonna just go ahead and live here and say that no matter who wins this primary, uh, Trump really one or whether Trump, whether the person he explicitly endorsed one or not, the person who went around voting him one or not is a guy who basically says, you know all the Trump says, and I like Trump and all, and you know, I voted from twice and I vote him again. But Ryan, we're having a little

bit of trouble with your line here. It's uh just it's just the telecom God's I presume. But just before you leave us here, is it is it likely then where you're going with this is that either you have a come from behind uh surprise, or this goes to a runoff. There's no runoff, So whoever gets the plurality tomorrow, Uh, that's the winner. So that's that's where it's going to be really creasy, because this could be a person that

seventy center of the voters voted against. Uh, you know, so that's gonna be this should be a gimme for Republicans. But Democrats up a fairly strong candidate and Tim Ryan and you know this primary has been really, really bruising, and that they're going to come out of it with someone who may get you know, thirty one vote. So do you not feel like the Trump kingmaker status is on the line here. He's certainly trying to back off

on those expectations. You know. I look at his endorsements, and a lot of his endorsements are people who are kind of you know, people are basically going to win already. Um, he's kind of tiding the numbers a little bit there. He doesn't have a great record of of picking the winning horse. Um. Getting back to his presidency, Uh, he had some troubles with you know, trying to decide who to back early in a race. I think that was

one reason why he held off so long in this one. Um. And I don't know, I mean, I'm only that every when we read the t v's and try to say that his Trump power waning or waxing based on whether or not the candidate wins. But like I said, they're all basically seeing from the Trump uneral. So even if it's Matt Dolan who he's bashed, you know, it's still going to be a guy who's uh, says Trump Ekana, Ryan, thanks for the time, Ryan T. Beck with Bloomberg National

Politics Reporter. Appreciate the insights. That's like the first time ever I mentioned on the air that the line was bad and it got better for a minute. Was that Verizon listening? As I read in Mark Niquette's piece on the terminal. Trump has also made endorsements in high stakes Republican Senate primary races in Pennsylvania. That's the seventeenth of May, and Georgia is the next. Several weeks are going to be heavy duty as we make our way into the

real bulk of primary season. And that's where we'll pick up next. As we reassemble the panel. Genie is with us Jennie Chanzano. Today, Adam Goodman is here as on the fastest hour in politics, Charley will update the markets, will get you home with a look at traffic, and well, you know that's why you're here on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio.

As we reassemble the panel with Jeanie Chantano, Bloomberg Politics contributor, Democratic analysts, joined to day by Adam Goodman, Republican media strategist, columnist, and Edward R. Morrow, Senior Fellow at Tufts University's Fletcher School, following our conversation there with Ryan te beckwith about the primary tomorrow in Ohio. A Fox News polled last week. This is likely the most recent data we have showed.

J d Vance had vaulted to the lead from third place following Donald Trump's endorsement, followed by the Afreman and Josh Mandel. Former Ohio treasurer and investment banker Mike Gibbons,

State Senator Matt Dolan. Former Ohio Republican Party chairwoman Jane Timpkin trailed the leaders there, but a quarter of voters remained undecided, and so this is kind of interesting, Uh, Jeanie, your take on this as we go into really one of the most important primaries that we've had so far here that we're gonna get into a much more compressed schedule beginning with what happens tomorrow, and and the confusion that's out there between a number of candidates who are

all trying to more quickly wrap themselves in Trump than the next guy. Yeah, and I'm so excited, Joe, as you know, thirteen states with primaries. It's election season, my favorite time of the year. Um And and so you know, I think one of the surprises and the latest polling by Trafalgar Group and that we've got some by Emerson, UM, is that Dolan is creeping up. But to your point, Vance is still about twenty six. You know, a quarter of the Republicans that have been um that have been

responding to these polls. So it looks like the endorsement did help Vance a good amount m because he wasn't in the lead prior to that endorsement. But as you mentioned about a quarter of respondents saying they're undecided, and as you were just talking with Ryan, because this is a plurality, really this could be anybody's game, but you could have sevent of Republicans who vote not satisfied with who the candidate is. So it's going to be fascinating.

You know. My take is that either way, Trump wins because, as you've pointed out, all of them have been running to the Trump except for Dolan. Well how about that? As it turns out here, Adam, you know we've seen Josh Mandel wrapped himself in Trump and try to make this a contest about, you know, the Trump purity test. If if I could put all I could put those three words together with a straight face. But you know

what I'm where I'm going with this. They're trying to paint j. D Vance is kind of a fake Trumper because he didn't always say the nicest thing about him and in fact, will that be how this race has decided? Well, first of all, when Josh Mandel's slogan is pro God, pro gun, and pro Trump, I think you pretty much know where he's coming from. And some might suggest it's not.

I don't believe this. But even if the supposed club by Trump of the names of Vans and Mandel that some might say that was, that was brilliant because he wins either way. J d Vance, who's back by Peter TiAl, PayPal and Facebook, big buddy of the foreigner presidents, that's a big Trumper. Josh Mandel a big Trumper. So the I that's an iron The irony is that he kind

of put them together. It's like it's like in the horse and the horse business, the horse race business, it's like you have an entry one A and one B right, one over one A. But Matt Dolan would be the spoiler. Matt Dolan, who comes from one of the richest families in Ohio. He was very involved in buying the Cleveland baseball team. Uh who said Biden legitimately one that would

be a problem. But even with that said, if Donald Trump does not win in some of these endorsed situations, and everyone's gonna try to read into this, oh my god, he's he's falling, uh his report card, which is critical many things to a potential twenty four run. The reality is he could lose a few and blame it on the candidates or their campaigns are both and say it wasn't me, and he'll get fine with the nominees. So I think I think he's gonna come out of this

looking very good. Dr Oz. You suggested in Pennsylvania ring against David McCormick and others. Another major test, like Jeanie I cannot wait where they were funning games to begin, and we won't have to wait long since Ohio is tomorrow. It's like Netflix just dropped the new series. You know, you've got one each week for the next three weeks to get really excited about here you guys. By the way, while we're talking, the White House announcing Joe Biden traveling

to Ohio Friday May six, gonna be Cincinnati. Uh. In interesting timing. They're coming off of the contest. You know, the anatomy of political ads is always fascinating. We talked about the idea here of of of trying to make J. D. Vance look like less of a Trump supporter, and boy, the Club for Growth went for it, coming out hard against Vance. Uh. To be clear of the Club for

Growth superpackets. Club for Growth Action, which endorsed Mandel in the primary, out with a new ad using some creative editing, and we kind of broke this up for you to get a sense of what we're talking about here. It uses tape from J. D. Vance being interviewed previously about Trump and Trump supporters. First listen to the bit in the ad and then we'll play you the actual source tape. Here's the ad from Club for Growth Action. People who

voted for trumpeted form for racist reasons. Where does he get off saying that we've got our own eyes in our own ears. J D. Vance is a fraud. Okay, So people who voted for Trump did so for racist reasons. They've been they've been blasting out that clip. Here's the full statement from that interview where they got this from. Listen again to J. D. Vance. Some people who voted for Trump or racists, and they voted for him for

racist reasons. I always resist the idea that the real thing driving most Trump voters was racial anxiety or racial animus, partially because I didn't see it right. I mean, the thing that really motivated people to vote for Trump, first in the primary and then in the general election was three words jobs, jobs, Jobs. So he's asked, if you know the racist thing was an issue, and he's actually explaining that it was not in his view. And now it's because of a very you know, careful edit there.

It's it's he's saying exactly the opposite in this ad. And this is what politicians, of course love about. Uh editing and media and all the rest of it. And is this fair game, Genie? I mean, does this actually have an impact on what we're talking about here. Of Josh Mandel doesn't need a lot to win. You know,

their their neck and neck, that's right. And the Club for Growth has been hitting Trump very hard in Ohio and you know they also and talking that ad about the fact that he endorsed Romney in and you know, they say, look how that turned out. You know, of course, Club for Growth really important in Republican conservative circles. And you know Trump's famously sent a profane message to the president with all of these attacks, but they have kept

it up. You know, I think you know, the reality is when you look at the numbers, these ads do men do matter? Negative ads work, Positive ads don't work. I love the editing and the music they put behind it. It's classic um and you know, so it will likely have some impact. The question is going to be how much. And you know, the fascinating thing here is that you as you mentioned, they are within a margin of error

depending on which poll you look at. And again we don't get a lot of polling in the state races, so it is very possible any one of these three from Vance, Mandel or Dolan can come up with the plurality in this case, and and that could really be up you know, big upset if it's Dolan. And you know, I have to laugh because I can't believe Adam just suggested that Trump would take you know, would would take credit regardless what happens. That doesn't sound like our former president.

That would never happen. So connect the dots here a little bit, though, Adam, you heard us play Donald Trump from earlier, earlier this hour from the rally. I don't know if we can play that again from the rally on Saturday night where he screws up J. D Vance's name and actually calls him, you know, JP Mandel or something like that. You know, add that to this advertisement knocking J d Vance's uh, you know, prior statements about

Donald Trump. Are they onto something? Does it work? I'm still smiling by what because of what Jeanie just said. Uh uh, let me let me put it this way. Never lets and I'm an ad maker, really, That's what I did in the business for a long time. My My response would be, never let the facts get in the way of great ad copy. There's that's what you saw in this act that when you've played out the real quote versus what was used. But the bottom line is, I you know, I hail from Florida, or at least

over the last twenty five years. I was there in the beginning of the race for governor between Rhonda Santis UH and a very popular Adam Putnam. Putnam was up points midway through the primary. The president Um decides he's going to weigh in. He endorses Rhonda Santis. I'm being I'm interviewed on some panel and they said, what do you think that means? I said, it's over. He said, what do you mean? I said it's over. And Rhonda Santis went from twenty five down to winning by like

twenty over a very popular mainstream conservative Republican. So with all that we've just talked about, do not enter undersk to made. The power is still don't bet against Inhio, Ohio. It may don't bet against Donald Trump in this primary, but we played it at the very beginning. Let's bring it back again. Here's Trump at the rally Saturday night. You got that justin. You know, we've endorsed Dr Oz, We've endorsed JP, right, J D. Mandel, and he's doing great.

They're all doing good. JP is is actually well, Mandel is doing good. They're both doing good. Genie, is this just for people like us to hash around or or or is it remembered? Will that become its own ad after primary day if Mandel wins. You know, Democrats are loving the fact that Donald Trump is out. You know, the one thing we hear from Democrats is they're they're hoping Elon Musk gets this Twitter deal done and by October Trump is right back on there. The more he talks,

the better for Democrats. So I bet we keep hearing more of this great talk with Genie and Adam Adam Goodman with us and Jeannie Chanzano our panel for the Monday edition of Sunda. We'll meet you back here tomorrow on primary day and a lot more to talk about. Get up early. I'll meet you on Bloomberg's surveillance tomorrow morning six o'clock. Until then, I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg