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Can you hear us? Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me? I don't know if anyone's ever sounded better. I like the setup. It looks profesh. This is one of those huge blankets. Do you remember those ads on Instagram a couple years ago? I didn't get targeted, but I'm surprised. Me neither. Like, how big are we talking? Would it cover the whole floor of a bedroom? Huge. I got it from my husband for Valentine's Day. It's like four blankets in one. Oh, wonderful. Like 20 by 20 maybe or something. Yeah.
And where are you? I'm in West Orange, New Jersey. It's like right outside New York City. That's my first time hearing West Orange. You'll be happy to know, Monica. I can't say anything about the geography of it. I'm just learning. You can do whatever you want. Okay, Justin, you have a.
crazy children's birthday party story. I do. But first, because if I forget, she'll kill me. My best friend, Gia, turned me on to you guys. She's a day one arm cherry obsessed. Then during quarantine lockdown, I got into it. I fell in love, obviously, too. And then Monica, I started listening to when you're doing your egg retrieval. My husband and I were going through the process as well.
to have our daughter, which we had her. She's here. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. But it was so helpful just to hear your experience with the egg retrieval because not just women who are doing it, but families like ours who kind of could naturally.
Just to hear every detail of what you went through was really, really helpful. Thank you. Then looking you up, I was like, she looks really familiar to me and I couldn't figure it out. And I lived in LA for 10 years. Oh. Soul cycle. I used to bartend at the Abbey for four years and I was like. Did I maybe make her a drink at some point? I think I've been to the Abbey once. So maybe you'd have a great memory. You must have been fucking slain bartending at the Abbey.
Were you just living your greatest life? Yes. It was good that I got out. But this was 2003. I had just graduated from... Mason Gross, which is the acting conservatory at Rutgers. So I was 23. I just moved to New York City. I was living in Astoria, Queens in this little closet that was a bedroom. And I was waiting tables at...
Hard Rock Cafe. Oh, yes. Great nonchos. I got a job there. I thought it would be cool. And they were like, you need New York experience to work here. So I lied. And so it was a Saturday night. Super crazy busy. A lot of tourists come through, so the tips kind of suck. You're working with a constant feeling of rage. And I get sat with a birthday party. So it's the mom, the dad, and about eight. 10 year old girls. Oh, wow. So I approached the table and I'm like, let me get this drink order.
And via the drink order, I learned a few things. First is that this is a family of privilege. I mean, Hard Rock Cafe birthday. Yeah, that's a pricey. Yeah, you're spending six, seven hundred dollars for those little girls to have dinner. Nachos. They brought these kids into the city for a night and they want to impress the parents of these other little girls. The birthday girls got like full beat hair done.
So I'm taking their drink orders. They're all like milkshake. They're talking down to me. The mom's like, these are the only Chardonnays you have. And I'm like, well, Campbell Jackson's our top. And she's like, I guess that'll do. The dad's like. Beer, keep it coming. I'm like, he'll be on my side tonight. I come back and I'm like, let's get the appetizers. Now, in our pre-shift meeting every...
shift, they sit us down and they're like, you must upsell, you must sell souvenir glasses. They threaten us to get good shifts and good sections. So I'm offering the jumbo combo, which is like the biggest appetizer. It's this big thing in the middle of spring rolls, all the things around it, you know, something like that and the nachos. I'm pushing all the best shit. They're like, yeah, order comes up.
And I'm in the back getting it ready. And it's busy. The waiters are all running around. And I'm like, I only have two hands. We're supposed to put on a separate plate the guacamole and the salsa underneath. But I'm like, fuck it. I'm not doing that. I put the salsa on the side, guacamole on the other side, got the jumbo combo and the nachos. And I come out to the table, put down the jumbo combo.
And then I'm going to put down the nachos and I clear more space for them. And I'm like, I swear I put the salsa there with the guacamole. So I'm about to look at them and say, I'll be right back with your salsa. Meanwhile, I have like four other tables. And I look at them and they're all just wide eyed.
Mouths dropped open. So I follow their eyeline to the birthday girl who's seated right beneath me. Uh-oh. And the ramekin of salsa is on top of her head. Oh, it's actually on her hat. Like a hat. Like a hat. Oh, boy. So I dropped the nachos. I grabbed the ramekin with one hand. I scooped the salsa with my other hand. And I bolted. Oh, wow. And so I ran up to my friend in the back and I said, I just dropped.
The sauce on the fucking birthday girl's head. So I grabbed the little beverage naps that I was supposed to put on the plate. I run out there. The mom is standing up, picking onion chunks. Oh, boy. And I come up. I'm scared to death. This mother. And I approach and I say, here's some napkins. And she slowly turns to me and says, could you bring a clean wet?
Yeah, that feels fair. In her defense, that probably was what was needed. Yeah, because he's tiny now. They're not going to do anything. I'm 23. I'm panicked. I run to the back. I see my manager. I'm like, I dropped the sauce on the rich girl's head. Can you get a clean, wet towel? He gets it. I ring in the dinner.
The rest of the meal goes off without a hitch. The birthday girl has stopped crying. They're laughing. Beautiful sight. The mom's drunk. The dad's drunk, looking at like the rock and roll memorabilia. Now I'm feeling the spirit. I'm like, this is a great party. You know, I'm going to make this up the road. Hard Rock, we're supposed to
do a big birthday announcement. Like they want us to scream, get everyone's attention, make it rock and roll. I hated doing these things. I'd always pay the kid with the Mohawk five bucks to do it for me. Which is ironic because you're in pursuit of performing. These are these weird contradictions.
But it felt below you. Yes. I went to Mason Grove School of the Arts. Exactly. But this birthday I was doing it. So I went to the back and I told the dessert woman, I was like, make this good, extra whipped cream. And so this was. in a large margarita glass, plastic. What a restaurant. I want to go so bad. I want all this. I don't care how bad I feel the next day. So it's a big brownie on the bottom, three scoops of vanilla ice cream, chocolate syrup, caramel, whipped cream, cherry on top.
I put the candle on top. I take it. I march out there. All their eyes light up. I'm like, get up. She's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like, get out of your seat. I pull her up myself. Oh, wow. Okay. I pull her chair up. I'm like, get up on your chair. She's like, oh my God, no. I'm like, get up on the chair. She gets up on the chair. Your tone changes. Get the fuck on the chair, birthday girl.
They made us do. So I light the candle. I hand her the sundae. And I turn around, I face the restaurant, and I yell, Attention, Hard Rock Cafe! They want us to do, like... How's everyone doing tonight? Show you crowd participation. Don't forget to check out the merch. We got to get rid of some of these hats. Double dip. Attention Horror Cafe. This is, whatever her name is, birthday tonight. I want everyone on the count of three to say happy birthday.
And there's a collective gasp. And I was like, oh my God, no. So I slowly turn around and she's on her back. The chair is tipped backwards. The sundaes on her chest, her face, it looks like it exploded everywhere. She's screaming, crying.
All the girls are jumping up. The mother's looking at me like, you're fucking dead. Yeah, you're literally the worst server ever. I look at the dad and he's trying so hard not to laugh. Okay, good. He's blasted enough. He's seeing the humor in it. I, again, run.
I hope to get a wet towel this time. I go in the back, I find my manager and I say, can you please bring a clean wet towel? So I go out there trying to avoid eye contact, hoping they're cleaned up and someone's taking care of the check. And I feel a tap, tap, tap. And I turn around. It's the dad. And he slips me two twenties and he gives me a little nod. And so I said, well, I ruined her birthday, but.
I guess I made his night. Wow. He's surrounded by all these little girls and this woman. And then he saw another man enter and have the same terrible luck he has. He's like, I know, brother. I know what it's like to disappoint these gals. I do it. daily. Here's 40 bucks. That was really nice of him. And it's not like I was doing these things on purpose. Right.
It's not your fault she's got terrible balance. It is your fault that you made her stand up on that chair, though. Well, I don't think the chair was the issue as much as do not hand her something that weighs a third of much as her body mass and put her in a precarious. It's one or the other.
have her hold the dessert or get her up on the chair, but not both. These are the lessons we learn in life. You came out really unscathed, I gotta say. Did mom sign the tip on the master bill? Did you get a pretty shit tip? Aside from the 40? What I do remember is that parties of six or more, they would include the tip. And that one, my manager was like, we're not including the tip.
I'm surprised the meal wasn't free. He probably comps the jumbo combo. Maybe that dessert that almost gave her a concussion. Thank God the fucking thing was in a plastic. I know. Yeah, if you would have looked down, there was blood everywhere. Oh. You could be telling a much different story. Exactly. Time that you murdered a 10-year-old at her birthday party. Different prompt. Exactly.
Thank you for that story. Yes, thank you, Justin. Thank you for having me. Can I go yell at my husband, bring him in here? Yes, of course. Hi, what's your name? Mark. Are you from the UK? I'm British. Oh! What is this cutie pie? He also... has a bit of a weird accent because she's raised by the two of us. Yes. She's half Josie, half British. This is Larson Jean. Hi. Hey, Monica. Hey, Monica. Oh, hi, Monica. Hi.
Well, you guys, congrats on this beautiful family. Thank you. All right. Be well. Thanks for having me. Bye. Nothing here than hearing your name from a little baby. Noah said it the other day and it was so cute. Does he say Monica or does he say Monica? No, no, no. It takes him a long, long time to get that middle syllable. That's a hard one.
The kids did Monka a bit. Monka and Mama Ma. Mama Ma. That was Delta. Mama Ma. I wish this was a fact check so I could tell you Delta's most recent story. Oh. I was saying in a nutshell. The errands are in town. She's not been around the three of us. She's just meeting Ty. Tyrell for the first time. I'm going to put her in bed last night. And she goes, Dad, do you think Tyrell ever feels left out?
And I said, oh, that's such a beautiful instinct to worry about that. But I don't think so. We've been all really great friends for 35 years. And I think he's maybe a little shyer. And she goes, okay, did you ask him that? Are you assuming that? And I go, fuck.
I'm assuming it. Do you want to go ask him? And she goes, yeah, let's go talk to him. So we went downstairs and the errands were downstairs watching TV. And we said, Tyrell, can we ask you a question? And then we got this question out and he was like, oh my God, thanks for worrying about that.
I have a relationship with each of them individually. And then when they're together, this new person emerges and I just enjoy watching and I'm glad I don't have to talk. So he just like walked through the whole thing. I was like, oh, thank God I assumed correctly. But she was right. I never asked him, but I assumed that was the case.
She's always looking out. She's so empathetic. She is. You know, I take her for her birthday. Yeah, to the reckless unicorn. And Target. The year before that, we had lumped in Christmas and her birthday. And so Lincoln, we all went. This year, we didn't do that. And so I took her. And then on the way home, she said, do you take Lincoln on a shopping spree for her birthday? And I was like, well, no, I don't. Something that we just started for me and you.
But maybe I should start doing that. And she was like, yeah. Instead of just being like, I get this special thing. Like I would do. She's very rare. I know. But it makes me think then I need to give you a shopping spree every day. Like you deserve. So many shortings. Right, right.
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The Audubon. No, you're fine. What job are you running out of your vehicle? I'm so interested. I am in wine sales. Ooh. There we go. So I have a trunk full of wine. I work for a distributor and I travel from account to account and sample. them online and then bring home whatever doesn't get tasted. Oh my. Monica's backup dream job. I missed out. Wow. You thought you had your dream job, but you don't. I guess I don't. It's a wonderful gig. I will not lie. What state are you in? Actually, hold on.
I'm going to guess space. Nothing more than there are two buildings behind you that are clapboard and they look like they're from the 1800s. So I'm going New England. I'm starting in New England. I'm going London. Old England? Yeah, original England. Dax, you are correct. I am actually in Rhode Island. In Rhode Island! Wow, I don't think we get many Rhode Islanders. This is exciting. Did you appreciate that one? That was fun, because that's just a building in the background.
That blue door felt very London to me. It's the yellow and red house in the deep BG. That's a giveaway. Wow. I'm actually right now pretty much on the Brown University campus because Brown takes up most of Providence. So I'm on a really beautiful street. street that is just all old houses that a lot of students live in.
If you run into any hot professors, send them my way. I will send them your way. I was going to tell you I had a bone thick with you about Rhode Island having little brother energy. Oh, there you go. It's about time. Let it rip. I've been really working on this for a while.
I was wondering if I'd ever had the opportunity. Let's hear it. I deserve to be taken down a peg. I'm going to go about it in a very nice way. Rhode Island is an incredible state. Born here, raised here. I moved away. I most recently moved back from Austin, Texas.
is very, very special. There's more coastline here. It's sunny. So give it a chance. I will. From what I'm seeing, it looks beautiful. I mean, little brothers are beautiful. Okay, you have a crazy birthday party story. I do. My story takes... place in 2005 it was my 12th birthday party fun fact my birthday is on Halloween which means that every year
I get to have cake candy and I get to dress up and I get to do something Halloween related. And it's really wonderful. This year in 2005, my family was actually in the middle of a mood. So my stepdad had built my family a house that was gorgeous and it looked like a big old red barn from the outside. So when you walk in, the ceiling shot up 27 feet.
And the second floor started in the middle of the house. So if you were on the second floor, you could yell down to the first floor and have a conversation. So the acoustics were crazy in the house. However, around this time, my mom decided she wanted to move. She wanted to live on a real farm. We had found a farm. We moved out of our old house, but we hadn't closed the deal yet. So we still own the house.
There was no furniture in it. So I decided for my birthday this year that I wanted to take all of my friends, a group of nine, 11 year olds. up to Salem, Mass. Salem, Massachusetts is known particularly around Halloween time because it's where the Salem witch trials took place. During Halloween, there's haunted houses and mock witch trials and wax museums. ghost tours and all of this fun stuff.
Something that I loved at 11, probably not my group of friends' idea of fun at the time, especially when they were about two hours away from home and not with their parents anywhere. I was very lucky. My friends agreed. They all came. But then we had a sleepover after.
back at my old house, which was entirely empty with the exception of a television. All of my friends brought sleeping bags with them. It's a little creepy. There were some really funky features in the house that my stepdad had built in. Like he... put an old confessional from a church in the house that was used as a coat closet.
Oh, cool. Interesting. My mom had a giant wrought iron gate that was the entrance to her office area. So just something really funky. When you get back from a haunted night of things and you're 11 years old in a vacant pitch black house, it's things that can.
freak you out a little. It's about 10 o'clock at night. All the girls are starting to go to sleep. I fall asleep very quickly. I have a tendency to do that. My mom decided to go sleep in a back bedroom in a sleeping bag while all the girls slept in a sleeping bag in the front area of the house.
Everyone's falling asleep. About two girls were left awake. So now it's like three o'clock in the morning and they're just having fun. And all of a sudden they hear thunder, which was really weird because there was no. rain or nothing happening in the forecast that would call for thunder. So they didn't think anything of it. Then the thunder starts to get a little bit louder. Then they start to hear creaking floorboards.
And they're like, that's really strange because there's nobody in the house other than us. And nobody's upstairs because the creaking floorboards were coming from upstairs. Then they start to hear very loud footsteps. At this point in time.
They start to lose their minds. They run to get my mom, who is six months pregnant at the time. Oh, Jesus. So they run to get my mom. They wake her up and they're like, Dina, Dina, there's something happening. We're hearing these noise. And my mom's like, you know what? Go back to sleep. You guys got freaked out. We went and did all this haunted stuff. So they go back and a few minutes goes by and they're hearing more. Then it evolves and they start hearing chains rattle.
they start hearing little kids singing. So at this point, both of them are absolutely in hysterics. So they go back and they get my mom and they shake her. As my mom sits up, she kind of starts to hear what's going on. So she comes into the main area of the house. to wake up. The sounds are continuing. Now they're hearing wolves. Then they're hearing a woman singing children. What the fuck? Oh my God. My mom is hearing all of this as well.
My mom is in a panic. All the girls are crying. My friend Jenna's down on her knees saying her, our father. One girl pees her pants. It's just utter chaos. So this goes on for about... 15 minutes i'm sleeping through this entire thing my mom grabs her nokia phone and calls my stepdad
And is rushing to tell him what's going on. And he can't breathe. He's laughing so hard. Okay. So she's like, what is going on? Do you know what's happening? Do you not hear me? By the time he can finally breathe again, he tells her that. He rigged a tape in the upstairs closet of the house to go off at 3.30 in the morning. That was all Halloween sounds because he wanted to play a prank.
on all of the girls oh he did oh my god he did this on purpose he's a rascal this house he built is so weird and now this and where he placed it was in the hall upstairs so the acoustics of the house were in a way that because it was in the hall closet the whole house echoed with the noise oh scary so needless to say i had
A lot of friends that were not allowed to hang out with me for a very long time. My stepdad had to come and pick up one girl to bring her home at four o'clock in the morning because she was. Inconsolable. Yeah. How are they going to go back to sleep after this? Even if it's explained to me at that age, I then go, well, this family is crazy. I don't want to be here. Ghosts are no ghosts. These folks are nuts.
It was absolute mayhem. And the kicker is that his original plan was there are big glass windows in the house. He was going to have our neighbor come with a bloody mask and a chainsaw and bang on the window. Oh, my God. He thought it was your 16th birthday party, not your... He got a little confused on your age. Yeah, he got overly excited. Oh, I hate to say little brother energy, but that reeks a little... Oh, no, you think it reeks a little... I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Oh, how fun. That's definitely big brother energy. No, it's very, it's over the top. It's over the top. Monica doesn't know it. She has a very fluid definition of Big Brother energy. Okay, we'll take whatever comes our way. No, he sounds fun. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate the opportunity. Allie, you're delightful. And I'm so...
Jealous of where you're at. I want a trip to Rhode Island. I do too. I want to be proven wrong. Come check me out. And Monica, I just want to tell you, I listened to Race to 35 all during my pregnancy. The episodes were coming out every week and it actually inspired me to read down. low 23 in me and I had not checked it in years. Within a 48 hour period of time, my family found out that my mom had a brother and he lives in Rhode Island. He has daughters my age. We are now.
incredibly close with them spend holidays with them wow it wouldn't have been without race for 35 for downloading it again and checking into it oh my gosh thank you i'm so glad thank you very much all right nice meeting you bye Bye. Hi, Taylor. How are you? Hello. I'm good. How are you? Dax signed your shirt? In BFAW. What grocery store were you at? I was at Sprouts in Nashville. Oh, okay. Our last stop. Yes. And you met my little baby.
Yes, we met so many babies on that trip. The only thing you were robbed of, not that you would have given a shit, but that was the only stop we made that we weren't driving the bus. I drove around the parking lot to see. If the bus was there and was a little sad, but you know, it's fine. Yeah, that's fair. I had parked it in the barn and I didn't want to deal with trying to find parking for it. Were you someone who got a picture that Lincoln took? No, but I got to meet Ruth. We love Ruthie.
Shout out. Shout out, Ruthie. Okay, so you have a crazy birthday party story? I do. It was March 1st, 2003. It's in Nashville, where I currently am at. Can I stop you? We've heard three stories and they've all been 20. years ago or 22 years ago it's very interesting i was seven i was going to my very first ice skating rink birthday party super nervous super excited and it was towards the end of open skate right before we were about to get off the ice for k
and presents. I was going to show my mom how good I had gotten at ice skating. I had picked one of my friend's moms, her name's Betsy, and we were skating around the rink and it felt like we were going lightning speed. And all of a sudden, I fall. and we were holding hands at the time, fall kind of in front of her. And because we're going lightning speed, she can't stop. So she runs over my fingers.
Stop. Also, I'm going to add seven years old is pretty young for skating. Tell that to Michelle Kwan. Well, I won't because she's so good. But imagine Khaleesi skating right now. It's not like anyone's super agile yet. You have to start. If you want to be good. I will say most of us were gymnasts.
So there's a little more agility there. Sure. Standard deviation above. I didn't know this had happened because I am high on life. I'm the best ice skater that there is at this point. You didn't feel it because you were in shock, probably. Yeah. We go to the bathroom and my mom started.
trying to wash my hands to kind of see the cut. That's when I noticed obviously the blood and I was like, let's not do this anymore because it's just pouring more blood out of my hand. She's like, okay. So she grabs my hand again, really tight, lifts it up above the heart and takes it to the counter with.
a bunch of teenagers asking for the first aid kit. They do their best. They wrap it up really tightly. Thankfully, the hospital was only about five minutes down the road so they get me back and they stitch me up and my mom likes to tell everybody that i always said no more numbing medicine just get the stitches in me because the numbing medicine hurts far worse than the stitches do yes i've had a lot of stitches
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That's helpful. But then another few skaters come by and they chop it up even smaller. Right. It started as half a finger. Now it's third. Well, the fingernail goes on the end. It's a real Frankenstein situation. I have the fingernail. Let's start there. A finger puree on the ice. Oh, I can't believe you still have your fingers. And she felt.
Terrible. Can you imagine? No, running over a little child's fingers with ice skates on. I would be more panicked than the kid. Every time we go ice skating now, anytime someone falls, I immediately clutch my own hands. Yeah. Wow. Have you done a lot of ice? More in my adult years. It took me probably about seven years after that before I went ice skating again.
Ended up falling and falling on my head. Oh. Then it took another several years before I got back on the ice. Yeah, I don't think it's for you. Might not be your sport, yeah. Did you ever get fucked up in gymnastics? I broke something. That was my career ending.
injury, but it wasn't that bad. It was just a fractured ankle. I was already phasing out. You knew you weren't going to that next level. Oh, no. I'm a C-plus gymnast at best. Okay. Monty, did you ever break anything? No. I ripped my hamstring. That's the worst thing that's happened. But not a full sever, like a tear. I wasn't allowed to go to the doctor because I had to compete and they would have said I can't. But I heard it rip. It was really bad. But no breaks. I think I'd rather have a...
a broken bone than a ripped hammy. I agree. Well, Taylor, it's nice to see you again. It's nice to see you again. It's nice to meet you, Monica. Yes, so nice to meet you. Can I give a shout out to my friend? Yes, of course. Claire, we started working. together a couple years ago and she recognized this sweatshirt and she goes are you an arm cherry and I said I sure am
and it kick-started our friendship. That's our dream. We love the community. Yeah, our dream is that people see each other in the wild and then become friends. Yeah, I love that. Is she so cool like you? She is the coolest. All orange cherries are. All right, we'll give her our love. Love and great seeing you. Thank you. All right. Take care. Bye. Hi. Is this Ariana? It is.
This is a big year for my name. Oh, it sure is. Oh, that's right. Is that a common name growing up or no? No, my parents picked it out of a book they got at a garage sale. Oh, wow. Probably an outdated baby names book. Yes, definitely. seen the book. It's falling apart. Oh, I thought they found a book at a garage sale in the character's name like yours. Right. I went straight to baby naming, but outdated because it's at a garage sale. Yeah, I think that's the way to do it. Where did you grow up?
New Jersey. I'm in upstate New York now. Which is better? That's hard. Better bagels in New Jersey. Oh. Oh, you're going to start a beef. A bagel brawl. New York City bagels are better, but upstate bagels don't really exist. They're bunk. Oh, interesting. What's the vibe where you're at? Is it rural? I live.
about 25 minutes south of Saratoga Springs, if you've ever been. Haven't been, but I know this is where all the people vacationed in the Gilded Age. The camps were there and stuff. Actually, the Gilded Age is filmed near me. Oh, it is. Okay. So you have a crazy birthday party story. Yes. So I should start by saying I am like a type A kind of mom. My friends are always like, why do you go so hard? You're making us look bad.
always have made my kids birthday invitations. I have two daughters, eight and five, and I'll put a silly little photo of them with some graphic. So last year was my daughter's eighth birthday and eight. I'm sure you know, Dax, they're starting to get a little sassy and have their own personality. And she wanted her party at the bowling alley. We're big kids now, no parents to hang out by us. I made the invitation and I'm also a little at this point exhausted.
from RSVP etiquette not existing anymore. No one wants to chase down the parents in the classroom that you don't actually know. Like, ah, you're coming or you're not. So I decided to do an Evite, which I've never used Evite before. for this time, but I had received them. So I sign up for Evite. I upload the invitation that I made. And I'm also weird about importing contacts. I have old bosses in my phone, like people I don't want to text. So here I am.
manually uploading each number. And I put them in, I send the invite out, I start getting some RSVPs. I'm like, okay, that went great. The next day, I, at the time, was working in corporate radio. My life, though, because I was corporate, was all day on camera in meetings. Can't pick up my phone. And I see someone's calling me, a number I don't know, so definitely not picking up. i ignore it then they call again i ignore it i'm in a meeting at the time
So I've ignored two calls. I see they left a voicemail. Then I see I get a text, the same number. And I can't look at my phone, but I can glance. And all I see is Officer... Oh. So at this point, I tell the people... my meeting. I'm so sorry. I just have to pick this up quick. Some officer keeps calling me, but I made the mistake of just muting my sound and not my camera. I pick up and he says, this is parole officer such and such. I'm calling.
Because I need you to confirm that you intended to send an invitation to one of my parolees. Oh, no. One of the kids' parents in school. That's where my head went first. Like one of the moms or dads. Yeah. Let's be honest. The mom.
I'm sure that's whose numbers you had. That's more exciting to think one of the moms is an ex-con than the dads. Yeah, what'd they do? So I'm still on camera, but I turn to go to my other screen, and I pop open Evite, and I ask him for the number. He thinks I texted, and then I... I see it I put a six instead of a seven on the end so then I ask who did I text are they coming to my party and the officer tells me that I texted one of the most violent, vicious child sex offenders. Oh my.
Oh, my God. So this was a typo. This is his dream fucking invite to a kid's birthday party. And he's like, I was invited. Yes. A bowling alley. There's alcohol. This is like the dream scenario. He hit the jackpot. Oh, my God.
Yeah. So at this point, I start crying. I am a mess. And I just race to hang up my meeting. And I just figured I'd tell them later what happened. I go into a panic, asking all the questions, saying all the things you just said. First of all, the number that called is my area code. So this officer was in my area code, which means that this person lives about two hours drive away, which is drivable.
to come to my party. The next place my mind went was the invitation, which I did send you a copy. My gorgeous daughter's on it. Okay, time for me to take, oh boy, okay. Yep, it's Zoe's eighth birthday. And Zoe's being very sassy in the photo. She's so cute. She's got hands on hips. If I were this violent pedophile.
Even I would be smart enough to go, this feels like entrapment. Clearly the government's running a sting on me. I'm worried about her picture mostly. Yes. I didn't send you the town we live in, but it was on it. And when you open. In the invite, it has date, time, address, like my phone number, my email. You're inviting this monster into your world. Thank God, though, it wasn't a party you were throwing at your house. That's true. Where your mind went, Dax, though, is actually what happened.
The officer told me that the reason he even found out about this is that the parolee did believe it was a sting. Of course. No way. Well, look, you're a convicted fucking offender and you get this sassy. invite to an eight-year-old's birthday. This is entrapment. Okay, but if he did go, would he be in trouble since he was invited? That's a great question. I'm sure he's not allowed to be within X amount of feet of a school and a playground, but I don't know about a bowling alley.
or a birthday party. So I did get some more details on the man because at this point, I'm spinning out of control. The officer's trying to calm me down, but also he's an officer, so he can't just be like, no, everything's fine. He tells me that truly...
He committed so many crimes in four or five states to the point where he's about an 80-something-year-old man. He has lived most of his life in prison. Oh, God. And he's at the end of his day, so he's ready to get... back out there i don't well this is a bigger and dicier question okay i'm curious because we often hear rape's not a crime of sex it's a crime of control i don't know what mentally is going on with the
pedophilia world but you would imagine as someone's sexual desire declines with age as happens does that all go away or is it still such a mental sickness good question is it even related to your sexuality i don't know we'd have to ask this gentleman.
Well, I shouldn't call him a gentleman. If there's anyone we can call him a gentleman. I've never heard an officer talk this way, but he started saying, I don't believe in punishment, but I believe this man deserves punishment. Like, it's disgusting what he's done. And then he gave me his name.
and a photo. He encouraged me to look up what he had done. Oh my God. It was bad. And you did. You went down the rabbit hole of his crimes. Very hard. I stand by the decision to give you the photo because you want to keep your eyes peeled at the party.
Yes. And this officer was a little funny. He said to me, I don't think you have to worry because of his age. He can't really drive. He can't really see that well. He does have an ankle monitor. He's not allowed to leave his house. But make no mistake, if you do find yourself in a... with him, you are in grave danger. Oh my God. Wow. He's kind of the jinx-y. Yeah, Bob Dursey. Yeah. And you think like, he's 80. It's fine, but it's not fine. Apparently, he doesn't even really understand.
phones because he was in prison so long so he actually never saw the photo of my daughter but he did see the words you're invited to zoe's eighth birthday party this is a fucking bizarre turn of events the office officer offered, because he could sense he was not going to put me at ease, to geolocate.
the person the day of the party. I was like, can you just send a whole troop here to the balling alley? But then realized that might be much. I hang up with him. That's the plan. Text him day of. But then I face this super serious moral dilemma of do I tell? The parents.
who are coming to the party. Listen, I don't think so. Did you? For the most part, no. So they'll hear it on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no reason to unleash all this fear among them. Is it going to help make the situation safer? No.
in my daughter's party. They might even not bring their kids. There's already a cop involved. Did you consider moving the location? Yes, but I would have had a lot of questions. And again, RSVPs were already hard to get. I did tell the friend of mine. whose number I messed up. I was like, this is how important it is to be careful when you write your phone number. And she laughed. But day of the party came and I woke up and I said, officer, blah, blah, blah. I texted.
would like you to geolocate thank you and about 25 minutes later he wrote back and said i have located him he is at his residence have a great party exclamation point oh my god wow that's a great also cautionary tale i want your friend now to receive a tax intended for him.
That's what's exciting. It's one number off. She should keep her eyes peeled for some suspicious meetups. She could be double agent. Yeah, she could alert the police. Wow. Well, Ariana, I'm really sad I missed this party because it. does look like a blast was it a great party you know
I wasn't allowed to really talk to her. Sure. I think she had a good time this year. Even she's turning nine next month. And she just said she doesn't want to party. She just wants to chill with three friends. Oh, cool. Smoke a little weed. Pop on Netflix. Well, thank you so much for sharing that. Thank you so much. I've been listening since the first episode. This is the most exciting thing that ever happened. Oh, wonderful. Thank you for sticking with us. Yes, of course. All right. Take care.
Oh, pedophiles. That's a bummer we have pedophiles. It really is a bummer. Of all the fucking peculiar human antics, that one is like, oh, fuck. It really is. And I feel bad for them. I do too. What a fucking terrible experience on planet Earth. Happy birthday, everybody.
It's your birthday. Happy birthday. Do you have a crazy birthday story? I had a really fun fondue party for my sweet 16. Oh, you did? Oh, that's nice. That was nice. The only one I remember is I got to go to McDonald's once and I got to invite like three kids.
from my neighborhood. And I invited Betsy Goodwin, who I had a crush on. And I got some present. My mom would remember the details more because she really didn't like her after this. And she said she would marry me if I gave her one of my presents. And I did.
And then she didn't marry you? No, we got married and we're divorced. Oh, then it seems like she did the right thing. She stuck to her promise. I used to be a real patsy, a putz. Well, you really swung in the other direction. I really did. Okay. All right. Goodbye. Love you. Do you want to sing a tune or something with a theme song? Oh. Okay, great. We don't have a theme song.
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