Dame Dash | Ep. 129 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball

your time. Excuse I was chewning on poor jelly beans because you know I'm diabetic and my my blood sugar. I saw it was good low, Okay, I'm not getting ruled. Yeah. The last time that happened, I was on Mike Tyson. It was like, you keep chewing. I'm like, bro, my my my blood shop. I gotta n k. Yeah you go. You know, snoop lay down for two hours right there all day. So you're good. Do what you want, do whatever you need to do. I sho't want to be, you know, talking to my muffle um. Still doing a

lot fatherhood obviously, but what is it. What's the day in the life like for Dame Dash these days? Well, I definitely opened my eyes and see my my little boy and my uh my wife rout, how does your little one? You know, it's at that month thing. It's like, you know, sixteen and seventeen months, one of those. But um, you know that's what I've been fighting for. You know, publicly,

you've been seeing me fight to see my children. And it's funny sometimes people fight while they're triggered to see their kids, but when they get to see their kids, they don't. But I'm actually able with this relationship to raise my and it's the first time and it's been everything that I dreamed it to being more. And what I'm finding is, you know, a child observes what's in front of him. My son, you just watching me all day.

So it's important that you're the person. If you want your child to act like you, then you gotta be in front of him. You know these things you can like children are teaching them is that's not the language they learned from so much observing. That's how I learned, and that's how children learned. So I have to make sure always with any of my children moving forward. And

I had to get this at fifty. I'm starting late that I have the time and I can art detect my life so that my child can watch me and you can pick up the cool ship and not hear about the bad ship from someone that's been hurt by me. How is it? Though? Again you said doing it at fifty, I don't really believe that I'm fifty, you know, like that young lady around like there, uh, Dominique, she's younger

than me, but she acts like she's seventy five. I'm just saying no, I just be like, my mentality isn't so young. It's like it's just a more evolved version of who I've been, and the proof of concepts has made me real confident in who I've been so life and fifty is like, I feel like I'm more evolved twenty five year old, you know what I mean? I'm having more fund than I've ever had. You know, when you're young, you have dreams that haven't come true yet.

You know, after you become fifty and a lot of your dreams have become realized, we get to enjoy them. So it happens when your dreams come true, is you have more dreams. So right now I have other dreams that are coming true. So what's happening for me now was what I was dreaming about, I'd say about twenty years ago. But now that those have realized themselves, the dreams that I'm dreaming now that are actually coming into fruition or or big, they're actually scared because they've never

been done before. There's more elements now, there's more dimensions to play with because you know you've been giving me. We've got a chance to kind of chop it up the past few weeks through a mutual business partner and the ship you've been download me with him, Like damn, we got definitely gotta sit out and just I'm gonna bring pen and paper and just talk. I can't wait, but go were getting some of that a little bit later. Yeah, ship is definitely real. Let's talk about your upbringing. Born

in New York, Hall m right. I was born in the Bronx, raised in East Halem. But I would say I made my bones in Hall you made your bones and hallm So. I'm from a hundred ninth and first, which is Loving nine. But if you asked me what with your block, I would say it's a hundred forty and Lynx hustle mentality. When get there from the environment, on the set. You know, in hall m it's about getting money and looking good while you getting you know, for me, it wasn't so much about being tough, it

was about being fled. I just wanted the girls to like me. And you know, I wanted to fly his cars, which I was able to get, and I wanted to be able to control my own destiny. Like for me, it was like I was coming up where to survive you had to live by a certain cold. We got to be cut from a different cloth for a certain cloth, which has been honored before. Everything like unwritten things were laws. If you didn't buy buy them, you were a sucker. And I just came from a family and the bloodline

that you know, we just never was suckers. And coming out of that world and surviving it, it makes it hard to ever let a sucker of a plate, especially a sucker from another culture. M I just can't happen. What was your first hustle coming up as against him super Flowers mhm. I mean for me, it was selling crack and the baller shop. I was selling weed in the back of that baller shop. I was a teenager.

I didn't realize the karmic repercussions of that, but it definitely taught me how to brand, how to have a crew, how to prepare for the future it and just how to be understanding that you can't ask anyone to do something that you're not prepared to do yourself, and you have to lead by example. And also it's important to make your crew rich because that's what protection and that's what you should want. Anyway, Unfortunately, your mom passed from

an asthma attack when you was fifteen. Mentally, what did that? What did that do to a fifteen ye old man? Trying to figure it out? Makes your a beast, makes your savage because now you have no fear when the number one thing you're scared of happens and you you could deal with it. You're no longer scared of anything.

So it just made me feel less and you know, definitely became something I wasn't too afraid of because it was like ship, if I get killed, I'd be with my mom's MD. At the same time, you was diagnosed with top one daughter beat diabetes, which is why I'm eating. How do you cope with the adjustments with that and being the hustler that you are, so all I know what the option. It's my normal, so I don't know any other life. You've always got jelly beans with you always.

It's in case to show it, just like you know what happens prime time, maybe happening catch your bucket, what you get lower. I gotta deal with it, but I'm not mad at it. Those those cards that wore dealt to me are better than most. So all I do is compare what's happened to me to others and how I'm dealing with it. I mean, that's the challenge. Life is a test. That's how you deal with things. Nobody goes through life without a challenge. Doesn't happen that in

this vibration? Is it true you sent yourself to board school? We're happening? Was I went to the boys club, Mr Box, and there will be a scholarship for boarding school. I went for like the summer, and I was too homesick before my mother died. Well, my mother died, and my friends went from just you know, fighting and jumping dudes that starting to kill you know again, to do what everyone else is doing. And I was like, there's no way around it. This is what I'm gonna have to

be doing. So I put myself and said it might be time to exercise that option. I have a bad temper, so I left, and you know, I went to boarding school. So I put myself in boarding school to a scholarship. South Camp played basketball, across in football at the varsity level. But you was like, what's your game? Like every I'm good at everything, man, everybody from hall im say they're good at basketball. Bro Cam Oh, I'm just saying back then you said it was nice. I was just nice

to that. I could adjust, you know, I could do. I did my job. I used to beat and I knew how to beat. Somebody. Pause. You could be better than me, but I can still went to jump of handles, all of it. You know. Also mentally I might just remember. You know what I'm saying, Slice, you would half with his mind of it. I like it. You started managing groups the Future Sound and the Original Flavor. How did you get into that space? Well, Huston didn't seem sustainable,

but I didn't want to work at that point. I couldn't do anything traditional and you know that situation paying the full I was, you know, I was right there for that. I was really affected by that. So I was like seeing rich get you know that happened. I was like, I'm out of this ship. So I just chose something that I thought where it wouldn't feel like work. Howld you at this point the thing paid the fall. I was sixteen, he was in the middle of I was right here. What was the music scene? I don't

even remember that time. There was playing at the rooftop and when Nick was playing the Cars whatever Brushy b was playing. It was old school, new school you know, ar B rock m everything. You know everything, Doug you fresh. I was into a lot of rock and roll to remember, went to boarding school. I'm in a rock band right now, the Black Guns. When did you fall in love with

music at that time? Always? Music has always been an escape, always, so the reason why I used to listen to rock and rolls because I didn't want to hear about the street because I was in it every day. I hate hearing about the street to this day. I don't really listen to hip hop in the car. I listen to rock and roll and other things live instrumentation. I don't want to hear about the things I've been trying to escape.

It's traumatizing me because it makes me visualize things that are not positive, and that's when you start to actually feel not positive, and that's when things start to realize themselves not positive. The visual is a very important power that we don't understand. You know, things happen in dimensions. For me levels, I have to think about it first clearly, then I have to put it on paper. Then I have to make it happen. If what I'm visualizing is a negative, then that's the next level is going to

be negative. So I can't have anything distracted me from a pure visualization of a dream that I'm trying to get to. I can only think about the w and anytime I'm thinking about other people's trauma, it makes me visualize their trauma. And then that's the energy that goes into my dreams. And then that's when the dream can turn into a nightmare. You know. That's where fear comes in,

and fear stops you from doing things. So I don't ever want to have to think about something that I might be afraid of to make me stop doing something. I'd rather keep that real estate for the perfect wind. There is no loss. There's a ying and the yang, and everything a dark and the light I can only see the light. The dark is only for me to learn from and not to stay away from. Everything happens to me that's dark is only for something like to happen.

That's the only way I see things. You know, there's battles that you may lose just to win the war. So you know, a learning experience to me is never a loss. It just means come back a little better. That means my sugar still look hollow? Is it just curious? Okay, go ahead, damn is it? Is it still going down? Yeah? Mm hmm, that's uh, that's a little better. I'm doing a whole interview during the reaction. That's gangster, and anybody

that's diabetic with understanding. If you're not, it's just part of the gang. That happens. It just you know, it be you happened when I'm in front of life interview, But that just happened to me while I'm boxing. No, the thing about me is I always have to be able to push through a fog. That's why I like to be high. I like to challenge myself. I work out drunk sometimes just to see if I could do it. You know, you have to have you know, you're a professional.

You both know what it is. But I'm a professional of what I do too, So it takes this kind of standard and discipline. M So the discipline the dream and make your dreams happen is a whole other thing. Now, with what you just said about the trauma and escaping it by listening to different genres of music, knowing that you live in a pivotal time? Am I chewing that like? I'm glad you said it because they're resonated to me too. What's that not listening to what you're trying to escape? Yeah?

That was deep. Yeah. With that being said, knowing that you lived in a pivotal time of history and you were one of the the culture pushes in that time, does that bother you to reflect back and talk about that at times like this? It's it's it's it's if it's for gossip purposes, I don't want to talk about But if it's like talking about what I've learned from things and what I won't do again and that kind of thing, and also celebrating the positives in it, Yeah,

why not? I Mean, it's feathers in my campus, and I have a lot of feathers a whole lot of feathers. What did you that said? What did you learn Although it wasn't directly you, but you were in music at the time. What did you learn from the East coast West coast? Beef between big and pop beef is corny? People die beef is stupid. Us fighting each other is dumb, period, Stay the funk away from all of that. Ship. What I learned this This is a program that they enjoy

for entertainments if I can watch. We've got to think about it. You know, when laws are passed, laws are passed to be made for hundreds of years, not for ten, and laws are made fresh off of people having slaves. So most of the time those people were like, oh, ship, what are we gonna do? It's illegal to have slaves. You got a good enough be slaves again. Let's make laws that they cannot actually abide by. Keep them broke, so they fight each other all day, kill each other,

go to jail. So that way they can now put you back in shackles, back in the cage, and make you work for a slave wage instead of master. Let's call it warden or CEO, and now it's completely legal. It's a program that must be broken. Do you notice that courthouses, jail, schools, and hospitals all look exactly the same. Do you think that's a coincidence. Why wouldn't the school be on like a beach or like some place nice,

or a hospital be someplace inviting. What rehabilitation can you give someone from putting them in a cage and treating them like a dog. I don't get it, but I do get it. I don't expect my oppressure to give me anything, especially freedom. And the thing about freedom is it cheap, but it's priceless. At the same time, ask someone that doesn't happen. We jeopardize our freedom to survive. We hurt each other. We never heard of our op pressent. We only hurt each other. It's a program, but I'm

not mad. I think it's clever, kudos, But I'm mad when we are our cognizant of it, and we still go right back to the program. So we can say, yo, it's dumb for us to fight each other, But as soon as something folks with our ego, we back fight each other. The same people that always saying peace, as soon as you get triggered, they're right back at it. You know. I had this conversation on the way there. It was just like yo, but I was looking at

something that happened. I was like, it's hard sometimes to understand when you have a lot to lose. You can't live by street rules. Street rules are only for survival. There's just only so nobody will hurt you. But how are you living if you survive, stay the funk away from it and only come back to help. M hm, that's all. I'm hanging out in a place where I'm gonna be triggered and dumb my energy down to survival skills when I'm rolling, put myself in jeopardy, be putting

the cage like everybody else. I'm not. You know, you know what it is. You know, we're first generation. We know what it is to break a fucking social class. It's everything to be broke first and then be rich. You love it. Who the funk would jeopardize that? Why would I stay on that con creek smelling the stink river when I could go to an ocean and just chill.

I ain't missing nothing. I got it all right. See to me, when I see people outside all day, I mean, they must really be still needing it when you know when you're rolling, you don't go outside, you go on vacation. Why you want to be around other people that are not rolling all day and be a target that's not the standout I want to be. I like to blend in. And when I say blending, like to the trees, the rocks, to ocean, the chill. Who the funk wants to walk

around with? Want to open all the time. When do we get to relax? It's traumatizing being black. We don't even recognize that. You know, my friends as soon as they get home from thirty and twenty five therapy and go hit the ocean, just see what it looks like to live and do something different. You know. I asked my friends sometimes that I call them life. I'd be like yo and people that get money. I said, let

me ask you a question. Your whole life name third names, six months, six not even a year besides going to jail, that you didn't live on the Tri State area like, you don't even know what it looks like or feels like to live someplace else. You might visit it, but other people of the world does not have to live like this. There's other ways to live. You're not missing nothing. Everyone wants to live in a concentrate to space. You spend a lot of money to be next to people

you don't even know what like. You know, the further way you are from people. The cheaper ship is the more land you can have, the cheaper it is we chose. We choose small spaces for large money to be next to more runs makes no sense. It's a program. We're all scared we're missing something. Mm hmm. Funny. I mean, you know again, it's a good program, but it's over. The gig is up. You know what I'm loving about our future is they listen, they get information quick, and

they go with what's logical. Mm hmmm, Yeah, I want to stay championship. Yeah. I was cold and the Mother five the form formulated Rock Fellow. Many labels didn't give a chance to give you all a chance to create your own language. I did it anyway, of course, talk about the creation of the Rocket Fellow. I was sick of nerds telling me what to do. It didn't make logical sense. So I was like, yo, we're strong together,

let's do it on our own. And we did. And it was just a bunch of people that were friends that enjoyed hustling together, trying to stay out of jail and make a lot of money, the same money he was making in the street, but if not more. And we did that. That's why, you know, sometimes I feel like, you know, if you Robert Bank, you don't go back outside. I'm like, I'm out of it. You know. It's funny because that wasn't the person. Everyone through what I was,

but I really always was. I'll do anything for my family. I'll fight really hard so I can relax. And I've been able to make history young so that I could relax. You. I was able to walk away from an industry at a very young age and do other things. I feel completely fulfilled pause and my dreams are really coming true on my terms, and culturally, I'm opening doors for the people I care about. See. The thing about me is when people that I love or hurt, it bothers me.

And I really love my culture because I know how swaggy we are. I know that with the jewel of the universe, and we've been tricked to believe that we are not, so we don't understand how powerful we are. Again, it's a great trick. You control brain well, you control muscle by making muscle and not think it's so strong, right, right, It makes no sense for the strongest people in the university be fighting each other as opposed to everyone else together. Right,

So of course the vision is key, you know. And when I see things and how my cultures treated it really bothers me, even though they I don't let nobody treat me like that. I've never been a victim of racism in my life. I'm the guy that likes to bully the bully and oppress the oppressor. How is the nerd gonna tell me what the fund to do? How it's just my money I need? And in every industry I've come in that way, music benchley or he's doing customer service for YouTube. Now, I don't think I didn't

have a part of that. I don't care how much money he thinks he got. His legacy is compromised. That's what I did. You saw what I did in movies. You know. I hate to bring up the Weinstein, but I was bombing on him way before me too. Sports has always bothered me. It's the number one disrespectful It's the example of how we're treated, especially football. You know, think about this. You're a professional player, Your lifeline is your owner. First of all. I don't like that word.

Your owner number one, especially in football. So if everybody in football that's black walked out of the NFL, there is no NFL, right, And your lifeline is your owner. And every single owner is white. So they're all sitting in their owner's box watching us get concussions while they get paid. And there's not one black owner. So to a player, that means that's their god they gotta worship. I mean, it's just an example. And I didn't have the bag to get at them, but I do now,

so I'm getting at them. Starting our own league. Couple of them. First one is the Serena League starts this year. You know, we have a piece of a team required what it called the Tampa Bay Cyclones. Will be televising it on Fox Soul and this will be the beginning of the change. You know. The problem with us is we're always renters. Were never the landlord, were never the owners. We always have a pass in the owner's box. I don't want to be in a big stadium right now.

I just want to be the owner. We got to own the bricks when you're the landlord. You make the rules. We can never make the rules. And I know that if we make the rules, it will be better for everybody, you know. So for me, when I get on the block that I want to take, I try to get it. Whoever thinks she's the toughest of the biggest of the biggest example Jerry Jones coming at you, Dallas Cowboys, whoever. Any NFL you know, owner not play it, you know. And what we're gonna do is make sure we got

black head coaches. I hate the way they treat us there. So any coach from the NFL that's black that you haven't been recognized, you've got a spot over here and you will get paid. Give me a little time, but it's happening, and it's gonna happen immediately, you know what I'm saying. Will make sure that that that that the players walk away with some some bricks, some real estate, with some therapy, with some literacy. They'll know how to own a team. Culture. Team don't know how to do

whatever they want. There's always like, why aren't they prepared? I mean, I'm sorry, there's some sort of preparing, but the preparing comes with you gotta act a certain way to stay. You know, they'll prepare you to stay by acting a certain way. A league with their rules that we gotta fit in, and it's our sport, so I'm getting at them. I'm not going I don't want to be in nobody, no slave league, no disrespect to anybody else. I want to be in the Freedom League, you know,

not the Negro League, the we grow league. So I'm starting with football, but it's gonna be every sport, and I'm gonna hit you hard in the metaverse and the multiverse because I'm savvy there. So this energy isn't anger. This is energy for change, and I'm not talking about it and complaining. I'm gonna do it. I don't want to go to your house. I build my own. We're not here for your entertainment. We're here for us to be rich black owners. Let's see what that looks like.

Even in arena football, there ain't no black owners. Even in the amateur leagues ain't nowhere. We got to be the owners, not the players, or be both. I'm a player coach, so even with my network, I don't want to be I don't think and like work for somebody or and like, I don't want to say slave because it offends people. But I can only talking boss. I don't want to make a movie. I gotta have a movie company. I don't want to make a TV show. I gotta have a television network. I don't want a team.

I want to lead because and if that's because that's the case, you know, no one has to come to my league. You could stay if you like, but you always have the option lead. But you gotta play by these rules. We get protected and the value of my team is not gonna be the worth of the owner. Is gonna be the worth of the players. Period. I'm talking, and I gotta plan and and and I ain't talking about it. So the first game is in Mississippi, Jacksonville

and March. First opening game is April two in Tampa, Cyclones. It's on. I'm not just talking about it. I don't want to fit in. I don't want to fit in. I don't want to see it at that table. I want to see that all. They gotta sit at our table. We just have to present an option. So I bet you now there'll be a black owner because I'm saying so, y'all better get a black owner out there period than that ship. One of the first spaces, uh you came

and kind of creating the new lane was was in music. Um, what was it like the first time you heard j he wrapped fast? I was impressed by how fast he wrapped, But I didn't you know him. I heard a tape of him. But when I got to know him, that's what I knew. We could get money. You know, he was a stone run off the bat. Now he was a booking dude that had on night gas and that wasn't um. That wasn't happening like Cares. But the funny thing is, now I know why. I didn't know why

back then. I do know why. Now it was so crazy to how things happened. But you know, J's o G is a count of Klein, and I didn't notice from until years later. I always knew that was Og, but he used to hang out with my Og Daniel. So Jay was acting like Calvin Klein who was being influenced by Daniel my Og. So at the end of the day, he was influenced by some Hallom ship not even knowing it, and that's where that connection happened. He just you know, they're getting no disrespect to Brooklyn cats.

But at that time, I don't know. Now, I ain't been in the street in a while. They rather robbed the plug then be friends with them. So he was different than the stereotypical Brooklyn cat. And you know, he's a little rough around. He had just meeting his style and the swag I got. Knew if I gave him some a little more hall him, he be right. But I took a lot of I took a lot of ship from my homeboys and the hallum for fucking with Jake for a really long time, a whole really long

time until the cracked. Actually, why they feel like it should have been him because he was a Brooklyn He wasn't rapping about hustling, m So we got him to more or less move towards the hustling aspect. And when he started rapping about hustling, that's when my crew started their respect him. So when he had said this rapping the battle with DMX, and then that's when my cup was fucking. Before that, they wasn't working with him at all.

But soon as he started rapping fast about to getting that money, and then we started getting that money, you know, so we were like back then. See now it's a little different than wrap. The dudes that are actually rapping are the ones that are active, right, real active. So I'm glad, honestly, I'm not in rapped anymore right now because it would be too dangerous for me. Really, I wouldn't want any of my chose to be a rapper

right now, to be honest. It comes with a bid, bid and the body, you know, and and I hate that, I really do. And these kids are rock stars too, they got so much swag, but they really they're just too real, you know. So back then it wasn't really the rapper that was doing the work. It was a rapper rapping about the people that were doing the work. But it was different about Jay was he was a rapper that was actually in the mix as well, so that so everything we were doing, he would be talking

about it live. So if he was pulling up with five cars and he's talking about it right then and there you see in the movie as he's saying it. So that's what made it real. But a lot of the ideals of it came from my crew. The best out so the champagne and all that other stuff that was the best out. What happened is was supposed to be the best stout my Harlem creup, but they didn't want to listen to me, certain people in my crew, so it took some book and casts to really listen

to the hall. Them guys could be candy at times. They argue a lot. We argue all day. Our thing is to argue, but never really fight each other. As friends. We could like if you see me and my crew, you were think, like, I don't even know no dame lets niggas talked to him like that. But we're a crude you know, to this day we call on the four our court right now, we start arguing. You know what I'm saying, It's the same ship, you know, and

I love it. You know, I love it. I actually cometimes called my crew just to hear, just kind of want to be real and you know, have a level conversation. When do you feel like the height of Rockefeller was when it was dismembered? Mm hmm. The end of Rocketfeller was the height of it. That's why I was so confused about it. I was like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying, Like Rocket Feller will still be rolling,

but you know. You know again, my feelings on that don't matter at this point, and we've all turned out to be great, so you know, this is what it is. One last thing I want to touch on the space. One of my favorite albums, um Jay's First Reasonable Doubt. That was the realest one. You know, again, we were still active at the time. It was like that was us talking about trying not to be active anymore. That was the last record that was made while we were active.

We were active after that. We were too hot, Like literally, our friends would get picked up coming off planes, are going to shows. They were you know, at some point I had to tell my friends, don't even if you still active, don't even come around. I'm hot. We got hot relatively fast in a lot of ways. Recently, Jay has shouted you out in a speech at this Rocket Roll Hall of Fame, thanked you after all you guys have been through um years later. How did that make

you feel? It was cool, it was good for the culture. I was happy for the culture. I was happy about how happy it made so many people. How did it make you feel? It made me happy that everyone was so happy. You know, I'm usually worried about my culture so I was like, again, I think that because number one, J and I never had a beef. Number one, it never it just got made up, or maybe it was just leveraged to certain things could happen. And I was always confused about that. I'd be like, why did you

keep saying we're beefing? But I guess you know, it was a move. It was a chess move when I wasn't expecting. So there was always a business thing for Jay. He just said, why pay two other people when I could just pay one? And that was a vice he got from le Or and guys like Steve Stout, and he went with that. And you know, on a business level, could have been the right move. But on the friendship level, I didn't appreciate. And I don't really care so much

about this. The friendship me always meant more to me than anything. It was beyond his friends. So it was hurtful, you know, the business was hurtful. You gotta remember something. It was my choice. And that's what people don't understand. They asked me not to leave, They mean not to leave any of those things. You know. The thing that happened with Jay was that he didn't want big is to be a part of it anymore, and I wouldn't

rock with that. So he went his way and me and Biggs win ours and how big is you know? Seems like he's back over there and I have no problems with that. But that's what happened, period. That's it. You could ask Biggs and you can ask Jay, may not get an answer, but that that was what happened. Just was like, yoh, I can't do that the Biggs, you know what I mean? Period? And I was like, yo, we could do something different, but Rockefeller is always supposed

to be us three, no matter what. So he wanted to leave Rocket Feller. I was like, cool, but I'm not. I can't. I'm not. I'm not gonna leave it because I have a responsibility and obligation to it. I presented something to people that believed in me, but I could never do it without Biggs. You know what I mean. I'm gonna give you four artists, and that's probably a hall of thing. Yeah, I lemtna give you four artists, your first impression of each of them first camera. I

didn't know Cameron as an artist. First, I knew him as a friend. He was like a younger dude that was to think as Cameron was super nice young you know when you're young and you're nice and basketball. I remember he had like when the m v P A rocket, like fifteen, So he was the cool young dude. And I used to used to be with me, you know what I'm saying, because I like, you know, just like there'll be older cats that like me. He was that

guy with me, you know what I mean. So he was like, you know, I don't want to ever call him my little man, but he was the younger cat that I was like, I like when he's how he's moving and you keep them with you. So it was that kind of thing. And they used to make me laugh because there's perspective when things was a generation younger. So I'm paused and they paused and no, homo, you know what I mean. But you need it though, you

need that younger perspective and outlook. Well, the thing is the thing our Cam at that time was he never had a problem with asking for guidance. And he was like me in the sense that something hall m stunting is supposed to inspired, you know what I mean. So I'm I just was stunting. I was so young with having a certain kind of cash and I caught you know, I was just that that dude at a young age,

and he loved it. He didn't hate it. He'd be like, no, I'm working with that, and I would see him do it, you know what I mean. So he was he was just cut from that stunt the cloth. I mean, look what dips that turned into. Its just stunting, you know, number one stunners maybe of all time. I think I don't think they definitely get that. No matter what, you can't say that they weren't the number one stunners they I think. I was looking back and I was like,

they really used to go hard on the stunt. Really uh beings, whether it be friendship or music. What about it? First? Where you awesome? I thought he was really tough, you know. I was like, he's a tough rapper, but he could really rap. So I liked it. You know again, it's like when the thing that I like to do for for me, rap to me wasn't about who was the best rapper was who was telling the truth. So we weren't allowed to lie in our raps. Exaggerations weren't. It

was no bueno. So you can't be a rapper talking about you got this money in these bodies and you never did none of that ship to us. You know. That's why I like certain battles. I'd be like, ah, they're cheating. They're not telling the truth, you know what I mean. If you're gonna say something about it, nigga, say the truth and then make that what is what you're using. Use that truth to hurt, not a lie. Like I'm not into cheating. I'm about a fair one.

I'm always about a fair one. I don't respect anything but a fair one. If you cheat, the win you lost. I don't fighting and all that. Like if somebody get jumped, that's not a fair one. The guns is wacked. You know, he should suffice to get your knuckle game and give a feeling. If you fight fearlessly, it's not an help. Ever, there's nothing, no such thing as a loss if you

give one hundred fearlessly. Because right arond, you see somebody get when two boxes fighting, somebody gets they asked whip, but they just like a total Gotti. He would lose to just lose fly because he has so much heart. So they respected that people. The lord, the wind is the heart. The heart is the win, the fearless. That's why I might get yo. I can't. I'm gonna get at the NFL, and I'm gonna win because I'm gonna try. At least I'm gonna sling on them. I gotta try him.

No one else. I haven't seen nobody try. Then I'm like, yo, I don't. I don't see why they It's like a punching bag. You hit the ship, it don't hit back in it look tough. You look good on the punching bag. With somebody hitting back, it's a little different. We never gave them an option. I gotta try. I did it in every single thing I've done it. I'm a boutique. I don't want to be so corporate because that means I gotta deal with so many stupid ask people. I

want destination. I want't like minded people. I don't want to audience it. See. The problem with Wrapped for me was when you're rapping about things that you don't necessarily do or that aren't positive, the people that celebrated are not positive, So you now have to perform and a bunch of around the people that you really should be trying to get the funk away from my help. I'm not trying. Like, if you don't want to go to jail or you hate jail, you don't become a CEO.

I don't want to go back to jail to get I'm not gonna get. I don't want to go back to jail or not. I never went to jail like that. You know, we did a couple of skid beids, but nothing real. But if I don't want to be around jail, I'm not gonna take a job in the jail period. I don't want to be around criminal minds or a certain kind of energy. I'm not gonna make money off that energy because then I'm gonna have to have that

energy around me all the time. For me, the purpose of making music was to get the funk out the hood period, not go back to the hood. But when I do go back, it was to get more people out or at least make it better. But at this moment, people can move around. You don't have to stay on your block your whole life. It could course less other places to live because people are scared. It's a program. Why do you think they made projects with a bunch

of playgrounds in places to play to stagnate you. Why wouldn't they make a project with like a real good school and a garden and all other ships that come with it to make you healthy, not to keep you entertained and distracted again, it keeps you away from the visualization of winning. Even on TV, how how often do you see a family, a black family winning. How how often do you see them celebrating the press, a rich black man winning. They celebrate them kind of falling apart,

and they celebrate that. They build certain people up just so you can watch them not enjoy it. I don't wanna get to that level if I can't enjoy it for it. I rather have my own newspaper, my own magazine, my own television network, my own footballs. I don't need the whole I'm good, you know. I don't need to see one in ten people a day, and I'm great the same ten people. You know. The thing about the circle I keep around me is that I'm around them

so much that I'm not a celebrity to them. I'm I get no props, I get yelled at, I get shade, I get arguments for it. I mean, it'd be crazy, and that's how I like it. You know, you're never really you're not famous to your children. You're the least famous your children, thank you are the corners at all times, right, and that's who you should be around the most. Like any job that takes me away from my children, I'm not doing. I'm just not. It's not worth it. And

that's what I learned. I gotta go get money to get nine. The kids don't even know about money. All the kid knows is that who they love. The currency for a child is love, and that should be what your currency is as an adult. You keep that energy that you if you're saying that money comes before the time you spend with your child, and that's what your child is gonna think. As an adult, currency is time and freedom and love and laughter and health. It's not

a paper that means nothing. That's why everybody's creating their own coins right now. Now. Everyone knows don't mean ship and ain't supported by no kind of goal. So why would we fucking waste all our time doing that. I'd rather have a nice house and the farm and to be with my child a day, all day long. Because of the pandemic and because of however art detected my life literally I've been able to be with my child

every single fucking day since he's been born. He don't know life without me and his mother, and he's never happier than when he's touching us both at the same time. So you gotta take your child away to see him from the person he loves equally as you. He's still gonna be feeling pain or her right and that it's not that's just not, you know, And I've been through it. I I I wish my other children didn't have to

go through that. I'm tight about that because that's the cycle I wasn't able to break, but I broke it. Now I kept I'm gonna keep doing until I get it right. And you know, I'll be a different kind of dad for the rest of them, just based on this experience. What what what what am I having? Now? It changes? You know I had. I mean, I had a messy public situation with my with my twin, the mother my twins, and then now to resolve that and then start all over again with my youngest ashes. It

changes you as a person. Like the ability to not see when you want to when you're accustomed to just seeing him every single day. That should have stuff on. Anybody, listen, man, The one thing that will take a man out of pocket is not seeing his children. And another thing a man doesn't like to do is go into a courtroom to have to see the And then imagine a man, especially a proud independent man, having a judge tell him

how he has to see his children. How long you get to and no, and and and no therapy for that drama that comes with it. Kanye West, Uh, actually eighteen years ago college dropped out dropped But before that, thoughts on him? When you met him? Did you see it in them motto right away? Mm hmm. I didn't see that one coming. Pause. I thought he could make good beats, just like a Just Blaze or you know other producers. And you know, I didn't see him as a rapper. I really still don't. I think he's the

best producer that could rap. But I know he wants to be a rapper, you know what I'm saying. But um now, I didn't know that he was going to do that. When he broke his jaw. That's when I knew he was going to do that. When he came back with Through the Wire but really Bigs, it brought that to my attention, like I think we should pay

attention to Kanye. And what was happening was, um the Young Guns had a single out um Can Style and that ship was going crazy on the radio, and I was trying to put Kanye's out just because because Bigg was at the time, Bigg was trying to get more involved because that's what Jay was beefing about, so he was doing all this ship. He was like, yo, let's

focus on this dude. And um. I went to Lior and was like, yo, I'm gonna put out Kanye and he was like, no, We're gonna focus on such and such, and I was like, I'll take him someplace else because I had to kind of have so much work. I had deals with Atlantic with Rocketfi Rocket for Atlantic and Rocket Feller Sony as well, and me it wasn't there, and I forgot what the fuss was over there. But anyway, and then you know, you saw what they did, Cameron did and Jimmy with Cots, and I just had so

much work that I was just even exclusive. So I was taking him to Atlantic and I forgot it was it Craig Cold. Now I wasn't Craig. It was whoever it was, it was giving me the same kind of dumb ship as Jeff jam And I was like, fuck it, I just put it out through here and he started to catch fire and they had no choice. But you know, I didn't know. I didn't know Kanye was gonna do what he did today. And I thought that we were

going to be able to leverage him. Like to me, Kanye was a guy that could not at the door, and they were gonna let him in and then all of us were gonna run it because you know, we were looking. You know, he was wearing a different you got a different thing going, you know. But um, I didn't know that he was gonna do what he did and be so consistent, And I didn't know that he had such work. I knew he had work ethic because I was impressed. But you know, even looking at how

he is now, you know he's on one hunt. It. He like he really deserves everything that he has because he does work that hard his whole he dedicated his whole life to it. So thoughts on a project like dropout and where he's at with this recent Donda and dropping Donta too Soon, thoughts and how his music is at this point, he's dropping music for fun, so he's just being creative and I think that's great. He does

what he wants to do. When you have a certain amount of money, you could do what you want to do, right. I mean, it's not really the music, it's the way he rolls it out. You know, look what he does. He's the new Michael Jackson. I didn't know he was going to be turning into Michael Jackson. I didn't see that one coming. Pause, but he definitely is are Michael Jackson. He always brings the event, absolutely, but you know, he has really good fashion sense. So it's like Michael Jackson

with good fashion sense. Can you imagine if Michael Jackson had a sneaker, Mike Jackson had a gap deal the move. Well, but the thing about it is he would have to really study. So what I could say is that, you know, it's not just Kanye putting his name on it. He really does study. You know, he does the work, which is important. He has. He definitely always sets up a lab and he has the best people around him. And when he gives you a product, it's not just his

name function. You know. The thing, you know, if there's a point of view. Whether you like it or not, it definitely is something that's a point of view. You can tell that it's made by him. He turned into a real designer as well, so for someone to master two trades at a professional level, there's a big deal

as well, and we should have props for that. You know, some people just put their names on things, but he really did take it serious and get respected, and he did it over and over and over and over and over and over again. You know, his first fashion show perceived as a success, but it really was. It was more of a test to see if he come back, and he kept coming back. So resilience is impressive to me. That's that's fearless. And he's not scared to dream. You know,

that's one thing that he does. He dreams and most people don't dream. So let me ask you a question, both of your what's your dreams? I'm living it, but what is it though? To be successful? That's an emotion specifically, So my dream is to have my own television network, my own um football teams, my own sports teams, to have a family, to live a certain way, to have properties all over the world. But you can say dreams

change your dreams change, of course they do. I mean like when your dreams the death of a dream is the best friend. What that means it became a reality and then it's time to have another one. So you've made your dreams come true. But what's your dreams right now? My dreams right now is to be that's my dream. You're dreaming and be an actor? You can be an actor. You gotta dream bigger. Give me a bigger dream. Profession did not be making up something that I'm not in

that space. I want you to drink. I'm gonna ask you this question when you come on to my studio. You have to dream big enough so that you're not the only one that's affected. You have to be selfish about it though. You can't help nobody unless you can help yourself. And the people that you want to help are the people you love, your family. See that's what

I'm saying. But what if you what if you're in a position where, like I'm saying, when you ask me that question, I'm looking at like, well, ship, I'm living my dream because I've done what I said out to do to change line that dreams over right next dream right it died already because you've acomplished it, right, it's an angel, it's in the wind. You don't want to be the guy talking about Like some people's dream in high school was to like win the chip, and they

still talking about the day to this day. My approach on this dream would be number one, to be the best actor every not just to be an actor. But you have one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight cameras right there, you have sound in the location. We stopping you from acting, somebody employing you know, So then we're stopping to making that dream come true today I'm asking, I just know, I just wanted to answer to that question.

What's what question? What's stopping me? If you have one too, three four, five, six cameras and Mike's and the location, what's stopping you from acting? I know it's more than just me acting to it? Right, there's six cameras, writers, is all kind of stuff. You don't need writers to act. Mostly everything I've ever done, I don't even have a script. I didn't even do honor upt with the script. So you're making reasons not to do it, so again we're

stopping it. I don't know the nothing is stopping really well, I mean there's nothing. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to. You just said I don't know. That means there's nothing, so do it. But at the same time, that's saying that. But it's not that simple. Wanted me say you how simple as this? This is good. I need you to have an argument with him, but don't mean it about a girl action. Why the fund didn't tell me you called her to She told me you

called her. You told me he was cool, you weren't gonna sunk with her. I told you I like I told you I was taken out, and you still called her. I thought he was better than that. She do that little thing to me? You know, well, you should have told me that, bro. I told you, I told you not to call. I told you I was gonna really try to be with her, and you still called her. Like what that type of nick of you is? You have my first scene? So what was hard about that? Boy?

You just now your dream just came to next dreak. You just acted. That's something that's the low level of acting. That that was sucked up, that you did that to yourself. Why did you do that? Because because I don't do your favorite listen, in my perspective, give me the best case scenario of what you just did. The best case scenario, and the only think about that that what I just did is in the movie theater? So why can't it be because it won't be beneficial? See, I just said

your dream fucked up? Bro, None of these that's the last thing you think about is the worst thing. Bro. The first thing you think about is the best thing. And then so your visualization just now was it won't be successful. That's what you just visualized. You just sucked your dream up. Now, if you're only visualizing this ship in the movie. When I said, you just said it's in the movie, then that's what you should have seen and then you make it happen. Now, question, how the

fund could that be in the movie? Well, I could just shoot sixty more minutes of scenes and now I could go into the theater and show it. How could it be beneficial? Well, I just showcase that I can act and it could be good. Actually, in my dream, it is so good that now it's a hit out of left field visualizing that visualizing now why it can't happen because a lot of things goes Again, I'm being a realistic Now see that you're not. Your realism is

the worst. That's not realistic something. Okay, now what if let me think about that? True? You're wrong. It always goes the right way. It always goes the right way. I never fucking lose. If you're playing in the NBA and you lose the game, you still won't because you're in the NBA. Now, what is something? Now? I think about this. Some kids says, you say to him, what

do you want to do? What's your dream? I want to be a basketball When he goes, well, ship, I can't be a basketball, but I gotta have this, and that pu'd be like, get the funk out of here. You gotta do is be good? Like right, you have to the way you attack your dream is the way you have to attack the dreams that make you uncomfortable just because you don't know how to do it. You knew you was gonna be a basketball player because you know your skills. You're not confident in your skills, but

you've got to be confident in your skills. Just now, what I saw is you do have enough confidence to be an actor. And why wouldn't you turn this into a scripted show? As well as like the office or something. You got everything you need. The amount of time it takes you to set this ship up, you could be doing scripted, trust me the amount. You've got a lot of people on here. Who's the d P? Is there a DP? Or is just setting up? You know about you know about cameras? What kind of lenses these? Can

you put movie lenses on there? Like Zisce lenses. I got Zice lenses. I'll let you hold some lenses and I got cameras. Can anybody here a writer? Can you just write a script? This is the location. It's about two x basketball players that argue over girls. Can you do that? What the fun is the problem? You guys can know showtime right now? I mean, get bro, make your dreams come true. I wish I had these variables.

I mean I do, but I don't have showtime past the plug we talked about, and you have something past. It is our personal past. So all you have to do is write a script. Take these cameras if you want to, let your hold the lenses, or you can read some lenses I like uh Cook's animorphix. You can't lose with those. But you got the lights? What the funk want you already got the bodies, which all he needs an editor who your pardon? Definitely I gotta get. I would love to you know, you know he used

to make you made a lens, chump rock. He's like a scientist. He made a lens. That's what buck me. He was one of my favorite he's one of my favorite rappers. Quite some month. I got to change one number because these girls went a little lumper pause. But yeah, literally, who was directing it? Because it's one location, it should only take ten days. You could shoot ten pages a day and you'll have a hunted fucking minutes. There you go, done? Now you can your dream just came true? What's next?

What your dream? It came true? He did nothing yet? Just what I'm saying, he just did a scene. I'm sorry, I live a reality. Do you feel like you did a good job in that little scene right there? I was so stung and you were so good. I don't really know to say. I was like captivated about what you were saying. No, No, I feel like you might have just earned a spot, you know what. I'm just full too. Maybe I think that's what your business man, right, that's your man I think you might have just earned

a spot. You saw that. You saw he did that? No, I just said it. He really really so. I knew by his lingo that he was a business man. I said, this must be your manager conversation. Look at thee you how about the TV show all you manager? One thing that has to be wreck You got his hands sweaty again for like a year and a half, his hand that you got Jack's hands sweaty with all this was bad.

But when he first threw me on the spot, said you didn't even sweaty hands he used to be and then it stopped for like a whole year and a half. He put me on the spot with the actor Ship. So how you go on my bag? My bad? Yeah? Now you good? I like it. I think positive. You said, ship? What's mine? A platform for people to watch you? Already? You have an audience, bro. I mean, I don't see where this is really easy if it's a slam dunk, you know, he said he. I mean, he made it

seem very manageable. It is manageable. It's just we never think things do. We make things harder because pause, it is the unknown, so it scares us. But there's no fair when you try. Trust me, it's art no matter what, expressing who you are because you love it confidently. It's gangster. That's where the rock star does that confidence and every and every what they call them pampers that we do for teams. They ask me, what was one thing that I live by that my mama taught me when I

was young, What she said to me. There's nothing be to failuable to try. I gotta tell it on. Give me a favorite. As his manager, this is what he does. He brings negative every time, he brings the reason why it shouldn't happen. Don't I don't buy it. To it. But don't even let them go. Don't even only positive, don't say nothing notistic. Let him say that. Let your let your manager be negative. Yeah, I don't think there's

always a win. That's the thing a creative. When you're dreaming, there's nothing, there is no reason not to do it. It's a dream. So you're being a creative. You've gotta be a dreamer. But when you you're not realistic when you're dreaming, that's a that's an oxymoron. You have a realistic dream. No dreams supposed to be scary. And unrealistic and never done before. That's a fucking dream. Dream big.

They court nothing, they're cheap. Why dream cheap? There's no sense to dream about Popeye's when you could afford some good vegan food. Do you dream about whack weed? I don't know, Is that right? You're like, I'm dreaming, Oh I got weed, but it could be bad. It might be some popcornhip like, no, I'm not dreaming about no bum wheat. You don't dream about a car and say you gotta pay for the gas. You feel me and the dream everything works. That's the dream. M hm m hmm.

Now put that on paper, the vigilation of the dreams, because that's the script storyboards. If you want to take that load, and then you just get a fucking a d Is anybody an assistant directive in here? Have the ad break it down, give you a shot list ten pages a day. You got six cameras, you got almost you don't need six cameras, you need three. You can have the three set up there, three set up there,

going from scene the scene. Make a fucking soap opera here really easy or anything you want, really and then do it in the metaverse. I'll tell you in four D, I'll put you in my gallery in the metaverse and on on new vort and you know you'll be able to be yourself as a fucking avatar. What three D? Four D all the Smoke team? What did I text in the motherfucking group chatting how can we get all this woking? The metal verse should call? I did? That's

why I just did. What you mean? What do you mean? You're in the press of greatness with Timberland, Swiss beats and a young crop of new producers such as Kanye Neptune was just blazed. What was some of those recordings? We got to see some of them, some like some of them with some of them jay Z movies, But the music with backstage was backstage. But to me, like

like that, this his music. The music he was a part of, shaped our teens or early twenties and and our mindset today especially Stay properly and give me example of one session that had you in all So you know, I'm pretty distracting, all right. I take up a lot

of energy. So when they would be laying vocals and ship like that, I would sometimes not be there, but I would come back and just listen so it would be like listening sessions and if you like something, because they would be hit, you just would be playing it over and over and over again. But the sessions that were um standout are the ones with Biggie um m hmm, the skits making the skits, you know, watching Premier make

a beat, ship like that. You know, I've been blessed to be in the studio with Biggie Bro, you know, to smoke with him and ship for him to actually be my home. You know, those relationships do bug me out. And the thing is when you when you become genuinely friends with people that are great the friendship and you lose them, it hurts and and then when you see how it affects everyone else, you know, I'd be the bugout just like then. That was my friend, that was

my homie and ship like you know. And what's what's fucked up now is because people are rapidly you're losing people that are famous that you get cool with. That it's almost becoming an uncomfortable norm right, you know what I'm saying, comfortable with death that's scary. Well, that's just being cool with unrecognized trauma. And that's the reason why therapy is key. You know, even though my network I have a show with Taj Healing is gangster, but I

get therapy every fucking week. It's like having a constellary too. You got to but you want a therapist that's going to speak your language or you know, Black people don't get therapy, so the study of people don't come from our culture, so sometimes the therapy is the wrong trauma, wrong experience. So you know, having more of us that can talk to us, it's about language, you know. That's why I'm also part of this cup to OSG. It's a hundred and thirty Black principles all over the world,

and they all speak our language. You know, the education that's in it to us is not in the language that we can even understand. You know. We're people that like the growth ship, not really kill ship. You know. We people that like to be in the sun, not in the fucking room behind a desk for eight hours while the sun is out. Who's gonna pay attention on to them circumstances, you know what I mean. But again, it's it's a program. So instead of complaining about it,

we have to do it ourselves. And at the end of the day. Racism isn't about anything but control and fear. And people will accept us being bosses, being in control if it's profitable. So we know how profitable we are when we're not in control. How profitable do you think we are when we are in control? So why wouldn't we just stick together so we can have the control? And like you said, it's benefits for everyone when we in power, we don't. That's the thing. We don't want

to be like. We're not scared, so our control doesn't come at all. We gotta control everybody so they don't rebel. Our control is yo make everybody rich so everybody can be equal. Social classes are so people that are scared, I don't have to feel so scared. The only way they feel empowered. M m m. You know the thing that breaks my heart is to see a big, strong rock star, cool gangster in the street and then have some nerd because the guy have more money from a

different culture bowed down. And I see it all the time, like it was he was, he was a gangster in the street, he was a boss. And now you're letting this nerd pat you on the back that's not been through anything. We've been through. I can't do it. M hmm. You know, I gotta be able to live with myself. When I'm taking a shower, I'm worried about what my girl thinks about me and my kids. And you know again, I still keep in touch with the people in the fabric that you know made me the man I am today.

It would be intolerable for me to compromise on any level. Camping mhm. What's show um opinion on dirt on versus? I think it's dope. It's entertaining. Who's the verses? You would like to see jay Z and Most Death? M I want to see jay Z and Waine Most Death, White, Most Death, He Jill, he is ill. It was always

a battle that I wanted to see always. You said, you know something we don't know, of course, No, It's just I've been around both of them for long, you know, long periods of time, and hip hop is about different things, you know, so that would to me, would be the most entertaining one for me because it would be it would be a battle that would be unexpected. I think, I don't think that ever happened, but that would be

my dream battle. You know, I see a lot of people like like like a tyle of the Creator, I see a lot of most stuff on it, you know what I'm saying. I don't know if people see it, but I'm like, and then I remember, you know, because my little cousin, my nephew, little Dash and and they, you know, they always put me on the Who's Who's Hot. So when like Tyler Creative and it was it was first of that crew, before anyone knew him. I went and most stuff was there, really yeah, And I'm like,

you know, because that's what I used to do. I used to like, I like to see the new ship, you know, all that it ever was intriguing my nephews because they're there. Yeah, Stevie's blowing up. He blew up. Well, you know, you know, they like, you know, I got the coolest nephews in the world, and so you know, but they're so cool that they don't even tell people they're related to me. But if I come out with my little nephews and my son and all of us together,

you'd be like, damn, that's a swaggy crew. And the thing is we're so independent that they all want to do things on their own. But you know, again, we all collectively talk and you know, I give guidance where I can, but they all want to make their market their own way. But what my thing to them always is, yo, I thought this hard, so you ain't got to do that right, Like, you know, you don't have to do that. Let me I did. I did above stuff, but they rather go do it from scratch. But you know, they

ahead of the game. I raised them, you know what I mean. Like literally, you gotta think I had custody of my son when he was eight years old and all of them were the same age, so you know, I had the big house, so they all used to be together and they were still outside, you know what I mean, So it would be like you know, they there nanny was like a nanny with a gun that was a driver, and they had you know, every car I wasn't driving. Was their huge playrooms and you know

camp either think about I'll show you the video. I got a documented, but they were bad. Oh my god. That's this is why I have great hands because of the shout. Yeah. So yeah, I'm probably day and you know, we're making this movement toward the world, and you know, they do it a certain way, but you know, hopefully even because I'm talking, it brings awareness to whatever they're doing. So a big shout out to that that's my family and my son he's doing it, you know, cryptocurrency, you know.

And you know again, I was on the TV show. It was making us look crazy, you know, and that's why I put money on E one's head. And also we we channeled and started did my own so in Love for a Living and that's the new show that's gonna come out and you're gonna see what a family looks like and what we're really fighting for. Because my whole family we ate one. Me, My daughters were all good, you know what I mean. They want to make and

compromise someone's legacy, but it kind of caused dysfunction. And you put a camera on somebody that's showing the dysfunction they want and they don't say shit. They out of there, you know, but they wants profit and that narrative has to stop as well. That's why it was important for me to partner up with foxhul And you go to Fox sol we only four hours a day every day right now, you know, seven days a week, and and that's and way more is gonna happen. And also I'm

distributing movies as well, so Dame Dads Studios Distribution. I got like twenty movies on two we Fox Soul. Oh not if you go to Fox Soul right now. My ship is on v O D. So nobody's talking about this ship. What I'm saying is, it's like, oh ship, they really did actually do a network on his own by itself. Raise no money, not a dollar, and I did everything that they tried to do. But now I'm not you ain't paying me. We're busting down ads like bosses.

Should you know what I'm saying. In so, I don't expect anyone to give me any real estate. I gotta buy it to take it. I don't want anybody to get me anything. I hate that. You know, then you gotta be nice to him. I don't like it. You ain't gotta be nice to us. But we're gonna let you talk your ship on here for sure, because I'm I'm learning a lot. I love it. I just can't wait to see the movie. I'm a holy too. You did live, You did the whole thing live, broke the

whole ship down. Yeah, I mean, I just you know, I just I just gave you out a bootprint. It ain't so hard once you know it. If you don't know it, you know, you can make an ass out of yourself. But I know it. And if you have a DP, you know, it's just all of this pause. You want director, right, you gotta get your wide first and then you get your close ups or you just have all the cameras. But you know, it depends on

how you want to light it. And it's about the lighting, and it's about the glass, And don't matter about the camera. It matters about the glass. The glass is the lens paying full. Part two going to be ridiculous. I can't wait till we end it. You uh earlier. I mean, you're talking about your network and all that. I love all this ship, but but to me, I think it's important too for people to to to really know all the different lanes you accomplished. So in you jump into

rocket where it line the walk away line. Or by the year two thousand made a hundred million dollars in sales, you had the blueprint in music. You took the same blueprint mine hustle and just took it in every obviously and every step of the way. Mm hmm, what's the question. What was the clothing line run? Like? Yeah, frustrating. You know, everything that we did at a big level, including pain and full I had to fight for not one thing that we did that you're celebrating now wasn't me having

to be game dashed asshole. And I was sick of the I told you so fact, Like y'all made me fight you over this, and now you want to celebrate and act like nothing happened. And that's why I left, because it was like arguing with people with bad taste that had no power, that thought they did that usually in the street out have been like, Yo, you're you're going in the trump There's no way you're not, I promise you, bro. It would be like you know, internalizing.

Think about if you have to take a ship the diarrhea cramp, how painful it is until you get the release, and when you finally release, you're like, oh you little till you like with that, I'm good. Imagine emotionally having to eternalize everything, having an emotional diarrhea cramp and you can't really project the way you want, never get to take that emotional ship. It's painful and I think that's

what happens with everybody. They internalize. That's why I never would hold it in, because I'm not gonna have an emotional diarrhea cramp because of your fucking nerd ask. I release as soon as I feel it, as soon as I got to take a shift. I'm taking a ship, so I'm happy. What would you guys have been like if you have social media back in the day, particularly in that hard knock jail, too much jail on the

business side. But I don't know, bro, You know, I was a different guy back then, and I've been doing my version of social media the whole time. I was the guy who always had a camera and everybody said I was extra. I'm the guy that taped everything. I'm the guy that took the pictures before I always got I'm you know, with all my friends I've been in with, I always had to have a camera, a real camera, because I had to send in pictures. You know, I had somebody whose job it was to send my friends

pictures to jail. I'm telling you, it's a different time, So I don't know, you know what I mean, Like, I tend not to do that, but what if so much because it doesn't do nothing front. You know, I just know about what I just appreciate how hard it was paused back then and how easy it is now. What I learned is I don't have to go outside, right, And also I have a voice without having a buffer, right. So probably would have happened is the world would have

evolved a lot quicker and people wouldnt have thought. I wouldn't have to yell for people to finally listen ten years later. You know, if you look at what I've been saying for the last twenty years is pretty consistent. But the way people were looking at me is the thing that's different. That's true. August, how did that day change your life? You know? That was the day I

got a broken heart. I know what it felt like, the really really have my heart broken, And it was a day that I had to learn how to appreciate life. It was a terrible day. What was she like as a person? I mean we gotta brief glance at her of music, her girl in the world person. Just she was the coolest girl in the world period, Just the girl you want to hang out with every day all day. I see a lot of people didn't know that we were together till after because we didn't really want to

be bothered. We would go places where nobody was because we just wanted to hang out with each other. I was amazed about how powerful she was now. She affected people, but she was so well versed. You know, Honestly, if it wasn't four Lee, I wouldn't been able to recognize Rocky now, because first of all, I didn't know what and love felt like. And you know, I was always I never thought I would find a girl like her again, and it was weird that it ended up being Raquel,

you know what I mean. So without ever going through love, you might not know how to recognize it until it's going. But what I'm appreciative is that we did recognize it, and we celebrated each other's love. And there was never anything I didn't get to not tell her except the don't get on that plane. You know, that's the one thing I regret. I actually referenced it a lot um before she was getting on the plane. You know, she

you know, the BlackBerry Ship and the BlackBerry Ship. I don't like the plane, and I said, well, don't get on it, and um, she was like, now I got to you know, there was a different situation, but she had to do this video and that was one of the times I wasn't an asshole, you know. And if I had been an asshole that day and really stood behind what I believed in, she wouldn't have got on

that plane. So now when situations come up and I'm like, damn, I don't want to kill a vibe, but I'm like, I'd rather kill a vibe now than be all funked up later. Talk about her impact, her legacy on music and just that part. Well, you know the fact that every single day I get tagged on pictures of a Leasah, Like it's like, I don't want to say, like a cult, but the love is just gets stronger. Yeah, but it's just like people, really, it really fucked a lot of

people up. You know that I've seen people like several that still have not recovered at all, like just disappeared off the face of the earth. You know what I'm saying, like seriously, And what I do sometimes think about is what would have life been like if she did not transition in that way and what she would have became. And it's the same thing. It's like I think about that what would Biggie be today? We will pop be

right now. Just curious to know what the older version and of these people and with their legacy, they really like they just got started and they were doing so well and so far ahead of the game. You know. The only way I can equate it. It It was just the world didn't deserve her, you know, and she went through a lot, and it was like, I'm just glad that she got to feel this kind of love before something like that happened. But you know, it's another reason

why I don't like dudes a lot. We had Kevin Heart as a guest. He said, you, uh, you kind of helped him and this his first opportunity with paper Soldiers. What was it like? And what did you see? And keV to give him an are you gonna break me to? Yeah? You know, I directed Kev's first couple of movies and took him off a stage and put him in the movie. And next day, Um, I like that Kevin was safe, you know, And uh, I knew they he had that commercial potential. I thought it was funny how he could

tease hisself, but he kept up all the time. You know, when I see him, it's like a snap fight that I usually win always, you know. So yeah, to me, it's like, uh, I see a lot of the ingredients and a lot of people, but some of them don't realize their potential. So there's people that I think are funnier than Kevit that did not make it, but they didn't have the work ethic or maybe they didn't make

certain sacrifices or compromises, you know. So I see and there's so many different people that I could be like, but this is the person that should have did it, but they just was fucking up. They just was just not not didn't have the discipline. It's a discipline like in basketball. How many dudes do you know that it's super nice that could have made it if they would have just played had the discipline. They just didn't have

the discipline. It's the same thing. So it's actually I'm actually rather like if you would rewind and the people that like I wouldn't have expected Kanye to be the person that was the most successful of all of us in this moment. That was not what I was expected. I wouldn't expect so many people that have become certain things. It really bugged me out, Like you know, twenty years ago and been like, Yo, you know, in twenty years we're gonna be suing each other. You know what I'm saying,

We're gonna be a court. You know, Kanye is gonna be on in the gap and indeed get the funk out of That's good. I'm gonna be doing all that, you know. But I didn't. I would have thought it may have been the certain other people that I thought would have gotten there as well. So almost almost everyone that didn't get there that I started with, I'm surprised

they're not all there. So I'm actually more shocked that I don't have more of the people that I um invested in, you know, with in Forbes, you know what I mean. If we I think if we would all stayed the unit, everyone would have been on Forbes. It would have been like twenty billionaires. Not too mhm. With the success of Painting Full, you broke the news not too long ago that you're gonna do part two. What what motivated you to bring that back? No, I was always gonna make it or I need to have my

own television network. Mm hmm. You know what kind of fight I went through to make Painting for bro Man listen, it was lawsuits. I'm fighting and I literally had to fight in the street were paying for damn, you know what I mean, my fucker's getting smacked. I got sued, you know, like why you shoot them up like they own the block and ship like that. More like people just getting in business that was not theirs, you know.

You know again it was a thing convincing people that don't know what they're talking about and be having to be prepared to pay for it myself. And you remember when like when they paid for it, they're in control. But because it's my name, I gotta deal with everything

in the street more important. But even though like they think I'm the one with all the money and I made this money, I'm like, yo, I got a little feel off that, like paying for wasn't my most profitable movie yet all that was my first deal, and after that deal, I knew I had to do it myself. But I also didn't ever want to put myself in a position again where I had to fight to do

it the right way. So you know, it's like I'm not going to try to convince you to do certain things, and I know my work is so good, you should be begging to do certain things. So I just wasn't gonna bring it out to it was a demand or I could have the control to do it in a way where I don't have to fight. You know. I wanted to be a pleasant experience. It should be therapeutic because the truth will be told. You know. I had to do a lot of compromising. I couldn't cast who

I wanted to cast. You know, I had to make compromises. You wouldn't you know what. You wouldn't know that from seeing the movie not worked out, but it was conditions. So like with Harris, I didn't went with Harris to play a Zy. I wanted Tracy Morgan to play a Zy and they wanted, um damn what they wanted to play. I just forgot his name. But I wanted Cam, So I was like, I'll let y'all use Homie because as

was a little more heavy set. If Cam could play Homeboy, and but my condition was that he had to spend two weeks with him, so he had to study him. So you know, I made the more study certain characters. I was able to coach McKay, you know, just and I had Jay Black because Jay Black was his lieutenant and that's like my brother. And you know, he was able to coach him. So he was able, like everybody

was able to be with those particular characters. And Cam didn't necessarily act like him, but he did it well. But he didn't have like the high pitched voice of the fast talk, but he just had the the mannerisms to play that. But Cam went through a lot, you know, he got shot over that role in Washington that was over there, you know, and even like and you know, he's never told his story, but like it was times

I didn't really realize what happened. He was like, I was asking to do another role once he was like, yo, bro, I got shot over because it was scene was a certain scene. He was like, I don't want to do that scene, you know what I'm saying, And he's like, it's gonna be too much. So almost when I found out that, I felt a little responsible and I never wanted to put anybody in that position again because the people take this story really serious, so it has to

be really done completely correctly, you know. But there was a lot of layers that happened in perspectives that weren't told. It was from one person's perspective. It was from a's perspective, but this perspective is from a different perspectives. So, like I said, the Lynch Mob, which is like my block. You know that's Loose Sims and you know he just came home and he has a perspective, and Jay Black has a respective perspective, and Kevin Childs has a perspective,

and their truth is the truth. It is what it is. And the other people that we're actually there, you know you're gonna get their perspectives. So you know, I did a deal with the BBS boys. I did a TV show with him, and now I'm casting the cars first you know what I meant. But now, but you know this is to me, this is gonna be art. So right now the first level is casting the cars. There's a car in London right now that the BBS boys are but I don't want to say what it is,

the Holy Grail of BBS cars. Can you tell us the time frame this next with part two will be in? Are you saving that? Well, it'll be I'll probably pick it up right after it happens because a lot went on then. Like I said, I was there, so you know he was hitting us with work two and I took an l on that one. Everyone did, but particularly so you're gonna pick up right where you left off said in that time frame. Yeah, and I hope people

don't expect me to have the same actors. These guys are older now, so he's not going to be the same, right, wasn't the first one? You know? That ship? If you could play anyone in Paid and Fool, who would it be a good question? If I could play anyone paying for I would be Calvin right now? Okay, I got I know that is I'll tell you offline you can do that. I've seen that movie too many times. Ou damn the those lines now. But you don't understand that

whole story though, really do you? Guys don't understand it from the movie right, See, like they touched on him, but they're real. What really happened was heavy. With all the things spaces you've been successful in you continue to be successful, is there one that stands out to you the most outside of fatherhood? I think, um, the Rachel Roy the fashion. You know, people don't talk about that so much. You know that I was able to take a brand and then, like you know, three years had

it and burg Dolf Goodman. You know, it wasn't uh urban Surmata business brand was you know, real fashion. You know, c FDA really got into the world of it, and then it was also able to diffuse it and have it in Macy's. You know. So the fashion business to me is like probably the one with the most taste and discipline. But the things I'm doing now, like making comic books, Like there's a movie I'm making, Deadweight, and

we made a comic book out of it. And you know, my girl just did a kid's book, you know, Dusco goes to Space and she made a cartoon. I'm always really inspired by things I've just never done the football league. So you know, again that's shild I did. It was twenty years ago for that to be the most impressive thing that I did. But to me be disappointed. I did that ship twenty years ago. So I can't come back and do the same thing again. It wouldn't be

inspiring to me. It would be the same ship. You know, I'm a person that likes to look at myself as like an industry conqueror. You know, I don't want to be known really as an entertainer. I want to be known as like the Mark Anthony or Julius Caesar of industries and or fighting for our culture, but with the you know, the black aging where you live. You know, back in the Roman days, you were not considered famous, no matter how rich you were, you weren't famous unless

you want a war. So I like to be known for winning wars, or at least fighting hard valent, you know, hard as it could that, you know. I don't want to be famous for bidden any I don't want to be patted on the back by them. I want to be famous by chap for challenging them, but also being profitable. I wanted to be famous for showcasing what a healthy family life looks like, so much so that everyone wants to have a healthy family life. I want to change education.

I want to change therapy. I want to change the way we look at rehability tation from trauma, which is a prison. But again, I want to change the way we heal. You know what I mean. I want us to be landlords. I want to change the economic temperature for everybody. I went the circle of success, everybody rich. I want everybody rich. That's all I want. If you had a billboard with a message for the world for everyone to see. What would your message on your billboard?

B mm hmm A one word bill but no, it could be a sentence, it could be a word. It could be I would say dream big, you know, and keep people off, Like I think the main thing people have to do is keep people away. That distracts your vision of the wind. I can't. I don't want to visualize the negativeness I have to. You know, if if it's something I've never done before, I don't know what problems are going to present themselves that I know I could never factor them. There's always ship that I just

could never imagine where it was. It was a factor like make sure you have a good hard drive. Pause, a really good hard drive. What's the hard drive? We get thickled it? Yeah, get a g ray because I've lost for this before the ship sucks. The machines break down, you know, batteries die. Really when the machines break, that just slows you the fun down. You know, always make his dude, so it shouldn't be so makeup or hair.

But you know, factor that you don't want your ship ready and then you're waiting for people to fucking be doing their hair done because time is investance. Don't you're probably not in the union, but still, you know, twelve hours or twelve hours and you don't want to spend and you have to block, don't get there the day of you know, these are you know, he's got into every These are all problems that I've had on movie sets. So the next time I make sure they don't happen again.

But I would not have known these things unless I made the movie. But y'all could learn from them. And but I did the rough stuff. You worked that hard so we can, like bro I got twenty filmmakers and Dame Deston and man Omo has created and all of them. Because to finish the film, you've got to be a general. You know, you have to lead soldiers. It's a plan. It's like you have to manage like starting the company and fucking getting crewed up every time unless you have

a consistent crew. I was like, you already got a crewed the rough stuff is over or you really need as a line producer to organize it. But you could probably do it yourself, you know. So there's just unless you do certain things, you just will not know it, so you can't factor why not to do? He's like, I'll learn when i'm there if it ain't put me in jail. But it's not gonna kill me or impair anyone health around me or myself? Why not try so?

Like in the street, I'm just taught to swing on the nick and just you gotta fight it up so you know you could get hurt. But where can you get hurt here? If you're having fun, when you're doing what you love, it doesn't feel like work. People be asking me, like, y, why you don't go to sleep? I'd be like, yo, my life is better than my dreams. I wake up looking forward to what I'm doing every single day. It is. That's wealth, happiness art, detecting what

you like, not what everyone else likes. Like. To me, being too famous means you gotta be outside too much. That means you have to be outside around people you don't know too much. When you're outside, where are your kids? I thought we was doing those just so we could be with our kids. I'm not doing this so I could be outside more. I'm doing this so I could be with my kids. Period. And if you're doing it for any other reason, that's why you're not happy because

love is not involved. That's not your currency. I'm not gonna spend the money. I don't even I work for my children and my girl. I'm an employee for them. Literally, I don't I don't know. I don't get nothing. Oh money just goes into paying people because I don't get to look at money. You know. I want them to keep the brokesh it on me, keep that ship, leave me to funk alone. I'm trying to build this dream over here and be while I'm doing nothing. I ain't

no better way quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let me know what you think if they were to create a biopic about your life, who would play you? No idea? Probably baby dost go Boogie my son, maybe um Lucky. I don't you know. I don't know. I mean to beat me. It's like you gotta be really really really really cool. You know what I'm saying. Like

I don't know, I don't. It's like, you know, when they were doing the Name Dash Challenge, His Name Dash Challenge, it's crazy like people, Yeah, but no one could really get it. Yeah, I didn't realize it was so difficult when people know rhythm doing it. It's gonna look people were rhythm try but they can't. It's just you know what to jump back. People can't really get well the last time you did it, I'll probably do it tonight. I'm rehearsing. I'm in a band. I'm in the rock band,

the Black Guns. I got the best kits, but the verses I'll be I'll be looking for a rock band. The verses I want to versus rock band. I would verse somebody. I do verses with my band. Where can we find your guys music at Spotify right now? But you'll be able to get it on the n f T two in a minute. But yeah, Spotify right now. Black Guns therapy, but we're gonna I stopped rehearsals because, um so, the music division is blue rock. Right. So

Nico letson artists. She's the best. She's right there. First of all, she would take anybody's girl in here right there. She's an assassin, and she has a movie coming out, but she plays that she has a I have a I have a basically have a country music record coming out. Me and her Valentine. I got rock and roll records. You're sing sing, I don't rap I sing. Yeah, you know, you want to get a nice laugh. Put you want to play a player right now, a nice laugh right now,

right now. But we're gonna be able to pull it out. I got videos and all that. You can see all that a matter of fact, it plays on Fox Soul. The documentary All that shows at the Peppermint Louse. But in New York Lower East side of the Canary Club in Newark. Oh yeah, a big shot to do it all too. He running for city council, you know, shout out to the commission to I'm part of something called

the commission. So it's Eddie Milton, Senator Eddie Milton of Gary, Indiana about the renaissance that congressman and j Carson the OSG with Dennis mckethey mainly he created all these principles so that my man Taj for therapy and therapist and Melanie Um uh Dr parnell You see her on CNN every single day, black woman doctor that she could play

Dame Dare. She's the illest. She got that swag. I would never argue with her and Bishop parnell Um and uh and do it all, you know, and uh, we're part of something called the commission, and we get together, we deal with things, and you know, laws get passed, you know, like they don't teach us how to be politicians at school or how to live before a law. Like, think about it. Every law that was passed mostly was passed a hundred years ago, ninety years ago, whatever it

was by people that had slaves. So anyone that had a slave should not be able to pass a law. So all laws are defunk right now. They all need to be done over. But we complain and ship. But the only way to make something legal is to make it a law. So literally, I could be talking to Eddie Milton, he listens, he go drafts that shut up and I've seen him go pass laws just based on our conversations. And that's the circle you want to be around people like that. The olasg on Tuesdays, they or

what's always the Thursdays? Today Thursday? So today at seven thirty, a principal will have a TV show one because these are the people that need to be celebrated and we gotta stick together and showcase that. They never showcase when we're helping each other, they don't show. Now there's always g thing again a hundred like like Principle, I got a book coming out even just on Ellen or type

of ship. Right in princibles, I do principal summits. I do a class every Tuesday, and and and and teach the principles or about how to be entrepreneurs so they can show their kids. They don't built data studios and West Side High and all these different um in the bronx um Um, all these different schools. They don't write about that ship at all in the newspaper. They know about it, they all my grant, but they never talked about that ship. I could walk into a glass wall.

They put that ship all over. I have a fight with somebody in my culture, they put that all. I go to court. I don't pay a bill. But whenever we're doing something that's really really good and they know about it, like I've had my publicists pushed the stories and no one take it. But when I asked me my opinions on Homie all day, why they don't showcase that Because they won't and I don't expect them to. I'm not mad. So I got my own network, make my own magazines, make my own movies again own. We

gotta own we gotta be the landlords. We can't be mad at them about their rules in their house. We gotta build our own house. Period. There's no other way. Fitting in will not work. You can't expect your oppressor to let you out of jail. The war and they're gonna get you the keys, especially when it's making the money. You know, prisoners are private sector. They're mostly owned by people that don't give a funk about anything but the money. They want to keep you in there. It's about that

bad that the government pays for. Why was somebody to own the jail? Want people to stop committing crimes. They want to build a bigger jail, a hotel for slavery legal like why you did? Why? Like why it ain't? No, it should be therapists all over the jail. So did you get there soon? As you gotta charge? You should have a therapist the traumas we got you there in the first place. I'm telling you it's the program. But again I again, I'm like, yo, that was a good play.

You know, when you're playing somebody in chest or somebody in basketball, if they gotta l move where they prepared after, if they beat you by Yo, that was ill. I just gotta get better. That's us. We're so mad that they prepared. Now we gotta get prepared. That's we should be more mad that were not prepared. This is the time to really get together and talk it out. Make a plan. Plans don't happen overnight. You gotta sit down

and really write them. Ships out. So you know when I remember, like when when I spoke to you about the league, I didn't. I didn't really talk to you. First, I sent you at that. I had to give a visual and now I gotta talk about how to be an owner. I had to study this ship. You can't just say I want to be an owner of a team and then just you know, you end up losing everything. We gotta study, study the craft and a lot of things that we think we can't do or we're not

allowed to do. If you read defined print, you could do it. That's what they do. They read defined print. Just gotta study to work at The best team is the most prepared team. Look at life like you look at sports. The one that is the most disciplined has the best workout. You know, most of the time, the people that are successful aren't the best at what they do. They just are the best at working, the hardest at

what they do, the discipline. But if you're not doing something you love, you ain't gonna want to do it. So you have to find what you love, something you would do for free, and then that's what you do every day all day. Get paid for doing something you would do for free, like basketball. Like, I know, you gotta be laughing more. Fucker's breaking their leaving their Achilles tendants on the court for no money, just for fun.

We gotta do it for a job, our job. But these y'all getting paid man, right, My fucker is doing that ship hurting themself like the healing, and they gotta do. They gotta pay for it when they get and miss work and be uncomfortable and all that for fun. Right, Well that's why I love gaming. I love to see all the kids that would they thought they was gonna be losing because they played video games, man is now

because they're making money at what they are. Mostly Like my son used to be like, oh he has a d D. And I'd be like, there's no way he has a d D. He plays video games. He's focused all day long when he plays. He just doesn't focus on what he don't like periods. That's not a d D. That's I'm not dealing with that. I don't have to pay attention to you. That's all period So find something that makes you focus. Like you know, people gamble, they

don't feel time. You're in the club. All of a sudden, the clubs over you having fun you Like, damn, that ship was five hours already. M M, that's a long time. I can't believe I'm fifty. I'm not having so much fun. I'm like, I can't be fifty. I'm fifty, man, that should bugged me out. I'm having too much fun. Like yo, my run is just begun, and I've been having fun the whole time, my whole adult life. I don't know, you know. I was a Mogil hip hop Mogil twenty one.

That dream came true. Like most people still trying to be hip hop Mogil is like fifty. Just I got that out my system, off the red. I want to make sure you're getting paid for this. No, I do the alle some good ass water. But yeah, give me the top five lyricis of all time. I can't do it. Give me five. Not the gotta be one two, three, four, five. You like, here's five you listen to. I'm not doing that one. I'm fifty, bro, Like you know what I mean. You have to ask me, like what decade do you talk?

I've been there. I'm fifty. I've been doing this since something like nineteen oh yeah, like eighteen. So I'm gonna tell you. I'll tell you this. The one person that I think that the world didn't really get to like could have had that chip is Jail Electronic mm hmm. I wish that. You know, he owes me an album. He has an album. I have an album with him

that he needs to put out at some point. But you know, that was one dude that I was begging to come out, like yo, bro, I didn't want to just come out because he was that good when that when he was rocking him back when I forgot that ain't done. So there's certain artists that I'm like, but you know, he's an artist, so you can't really knock it like that's interesting within itself, you know what I'm saying.

So there's certain artists that I feel should be way more known, that are really good lyrically that I would say, like a lot of some artists that I would say that you never never came out. But I've seen so many different rappers, you know, life like today because even the rappers now you, you'd be surprised, which was just out of respect and that are know that I'm gonna give the game for free because I don't think an o G should charge you for advice. That's your job.

Anybody that charges for advice is not an o G. He's not. He's more of an asshole. You know what I'm saying, Like you pupposed to get out of way. Oh, I'll gott weight. Uh look look, but um, you know it's funny. I was gonna puck this one out the window and I was like, I'm gonna need this sho. I gotta fresh for right here from this and I gotta hit it. I will, but I you know it's a special blend that I'm very partickle about the week this year. But smoke, but probably know I don't want

I don't want you to feel pressure to do anything. No, no, no, don't tin gonna hit you a little different. Yeah, this seven leaves is no O G. It's OK. Stuck on the island. Three shows or movies, You're watching on repeat. Oh, I'm always on It depends on who I'm with the last time I was. But I'm by myself. Why would I go to island? Man? Just answer the question. I'm not Lenny Kravitz. I'm answering the question. Come on, ship, you got three movies to show, you go watch? I

love this? Why would go by myself? Probably like scar facing god Father? You know, if I'm by myself, I'm gonna watch some gangster ship. But if I'm on the island like full of Girls, I probably watched The L Word or something like that. I mean, it depends on my company. But if I'm by myself, I usually watch gangster ship, some sick documentaries. Yes, that's happy the same way too. Should I rather just watch myself? To anybody?

The gangster joint? Like when I'm like usually like if I ever have this doesn't happen in a while, but you know where like there'll be a Sunday and they're playing like the Godfather, I'll be stuck the whole day. Once upon a time in America, Yeah, like nighttime when Rocky falls asleep, that's when I get to watch like all my knarcos, and I like Peaky Blinders, Peaky Blinds that I can't wait for the new season. You know, I know that real family. Yeah you know Tyson, Tyson Furies,

that's his family. Really, you see they say the Furies right, um, yeah, they referenced the Furies. That's his family. M hmm. Now and that ship is dope, is it? Ship? Me is dope. That's so dope. So I don't know the Fury, but I know that like the other I'll tell you what. But but like when I was watching, I said, I bet that's about them, and that was I was like, oh ship, but they fresh on there too. I've actually designed, but I just you know, I designed everything away. I

usually designed, but I just designed. I've been inspired. I've designed suits based on Peaky blind College around. And I also used to watch The gold Father. If you look at the Goldfather suits and the Goldfather crazy, so like, you know, I'm meant the fashion right. So I used to like, I have a bunch of old movies because back in the day, that's when everybody used to wear suits. And if you look at the suits in the old movies,

motherfucker's suits is cold cold. So I always watched old movies to get inspired to make you know what I do because I make suits, I make everything, but I just do it in a way like it's more boutique for for like like for me, I don't know that. Like I feel like I'm more like Vinyl, you know what I mean. Like, I don't want to be so pop cultural. To me, that gets kind of like I don't want everybody. I want you to be in the know.

I want, like I said, I wanted to be a certain level of fan, a smart, cultured sort of a following. Like again, all that matters to me is I'm celebrated by my family, which is my culture. So as long as I'm famous there for doing certain things, that's all I want. So I guess the point I was making is a lot of what I do is not meant for everybody, like damn everything, because I've already tried to

speak people that just don't talk boss. They talk slave, and I can't talk slave, and I don't expect them to talk boss. I don't understand slave. I don't expect them to understand boss. You know what I'm saying. But at first, I did, you know, being young and being like oh, when I get to this level. I'm expecting people to be so much better than me because they've done it, you know. I'm looking at people on TV and and when I get to these big corporations, I'm like,

just this who's running this ship all this time? Very disappointing. So I learned really early. M Like, I think about all the things I did with using other people's money, are working with bigger corporations, but really think about everything I've done on my own. And for me, it was I wasn't winning unless I did it on my own. That was the challenge to myself because I already got

there the other way so fast. It's so easy to you know, work with them, and but you gotta sert it's not easy because you gotta serve up your culture. Like what I was finding on the other side is the more I served up my culture, the more I was being celebrated. And I was like, once I became aware of that, you can't look the other way. I just think that's the problem. People look the other way,

and I just don't. I can't thank you. Sure, the funniest thing that's happened to you recently, someone of your one of your friendsis did or something funny thing happened to me as Nicola, what I do stupid lately? We do a lot of stupid ship at the nine o'clock. Oh, that's just probably walking to the glass I walked. That was the funny ship to you that she found that funny. Yeah, I walked in. It was I was that was I

was saying. I was, So this is what happened. Right, So I had They had given me an ice coffee, and we was going to do an interview with an artist that I worked with, Hassan, and it was with the dude that made unturage. I was doing him a favor, but I didn't realize they were live. So I was late because I was doing something else. So we got there. I didn't want to leave the coffee in there, because you know, I don't want to pick up one coffee, you know whatever, So I took it to throw it away.

So I'm walking with the dog and I'm walking and they got all the cameras on me. They care you could google it because it was like on TMG. So and I walked right into the fucking wall boat. But I did it so cool that I edited it up myself and put it out just to see if and like I said, if you google it, Damon walks into a fucking wall, but actually has a TV show where it showcases it's like some like Larry David kind of ship, but it will be not like Larry David. It's like,

you know, sarcastic. He's more sarcastic dude. And it comes on Fox. So I think next week or the week after and that that scene is in it. It was like almost like it was written for it. But I did walk into that glass. Thanks for that. He was feeling good. He was feeling good, he said, was funny to you, but it was funny. It was hilarious. Actually five dinner guests dead or alive. Mm hm Yashua. I'd like to talk to him. That's the name of Jesus,

I know, you know, I picked it up. Um probably Moses. Um. I would really like to have a conversation with Bob Marley and Jimmy Andricks. I never had conversations with him, and I never got to see them perform live, so I'd be real intrigued by that. Uh, what's the dr name? Was a Hannibal that was right in the Elephants that was warring everybody. I would definitely love to kick it away Aheadible Malcolm x Martin, Luther, King to hell. But tell you, oh, King cut, I want to talk to

King tutt m damn it. I need to talk to Alexander the Great Julius Sees. I want to talk to him. There you go, who do you want to smoke with it? Well, all the people, all of them by Morley if I could, that's it, Mary and Jimmy and Ricks we wrote it. That would be crazy dude, right, But girls, Janis Joplin, I would love to myself just funny you say that she's from my hometown put Texas. Yeah, she's rock and uh Elvis, I'd be like, yo, you, I want to have it. I want to have like a dance off

when you stole my ship. But I would want to talk to him because he was He was cool though, but he was still kind of racist for her. But huh. Other than that, you know, let me ask this question. I want I want this opinion on this. What was

your opinion on part um? I was like in the middle of what was going on with pot Again, it was a sad thing, but it wasn't a surprising thing, you know, so again, you know us, we was looking at it like damn, he's powerful, but he was causing a lot of problems, you know, with with the East West Ship, and it was just like it was it was the way they wanted it to happen. And that's where they had me tight. You know. It was like

they it was like they wanted that crash. That was like a big advertisement for what happens if you have a voice, and I didn't. I didn't. I didn't think

he deserved that narrative for them, you know. But it's almost like for me, he he almost knew what was going to happen, and to me, that's why he was making so many records so his voice would still be here when he was not so like to me, he was preparing for that, and I was just wondering, like, you know, it's just for me, sustainability is important, right and maybe that comes from you know, hustling, Like how do I never go to jail? And that's that's what

I'm always thinking about. Did you ever listen Rosit in the car and popping the Tupac tape? I was, I was in the East Coast, and you know, it was a little friction there. But yeah, actually, yeah, hell yeah, yeah we all listened about No, you can't deny you have from quick some flarer ship bats that should. I really like to know that, because, like I said that, that's why I had turned real. But at the same time, you gotta respect motherfucker's music. Yeah, you know, any any

any tragic ending. It's always like the wid if right, and you know, people evolve like I'm a completely the same but different person than I was twenty years This is me twenty years later. And I'm lucky enough to have documented every part of my life and also so I could see myself at twenty thirty, forty and fifty. You know, my my my photo album is you know, televised. You know what I mean at any decade for the

last three or four I'm never certain ways. Last question, but before I go to this last question, we got something for you, bro, and then you come and lead them to hand it. We got all the smoke backpack with some gear. Who made this? This is uh what's the name. It's a black company that I work with out of North Carolina. Why am I forgetting this day right now? You're going on your business high blame it on the way, not my heart. Yeah, all the smoke store,

you can go get it. We got everything, hats all type of business. You see me with it on looking fly the same. I got something. I got something awhere this way right now. I love when you get something to like know what I've been looking for this color right here. Shout out to the CEO Gil, thank you. I got. I got some shoes and some girl from him that he blessed me with. So we didn't go to the gallop. Actually I laid shut up. I come to the old ship Fox with you. That's why I

with you. Last question, man, it's going to knock just from now. If you can have if you can have a guest on All the Smoke, who would it be? But before you answer your question, you have to help us get your answer on this show. I want you to get Jerry Jones on the show. Mm hmmm. So you gotta help us, I am. I just called him out. Yeah yeah, I got some questions for him too. Yeah yeah, cowboy friend, I got questions for him too. I just want to know why I ain't no black owners. That's

all we know why. No, I want to know why he justifies it. His You know, I tried to buy the Raiders and uh you know when they were moving to Vegas. I actually called the president and all that quote ray Lewis we saw getting money together. You know, raise a powerful guy. Nobody knows what he's doing mine this scene. I don't even know if I can speak on it, but he'd be trying to do ship. You know, he tried to buy a team. They wouldn't let him buy it. He had the bread. How could you not

let ray Lewis buy it too? Like? How do you justify that? How do you can't even think he's not How could you do that? That's you know, that's crazy, you know. So it's like I just want to know why, right, I want to be an industry conqueror. I think I've done that, or at least change things, at least change the way we're treated. So you know, hopefully he hears me. M M, well man, we want to thank you for

your time. True lessons. One more thing, HBU. I don't like the way they treat that was that the HB I want to say, right the HBCU. I don't see no more gramming games. These kids aren't getting covered. Only one go to the league, and I want to do something there as well, So stay tuned every time that I'm hearing that a lot. But it's just the thing about me is just when things bother me, I can't just hear all this complaining all the time, and I'm seeing all of us so damaged and bruised behind it.

It's like everybody that comes out professional league is like kind of funked up a little bit for real, And a lot of it is over the trauma that comes with being a professional. And why why when your dreams come true for doing something you love, you gotta end up damage. So we gotta change that ship. But again, we gotta change that ship. They're not going to change it,

and talking about it ain't gonna do it. All it does is say it's just flagrant to when you when people recognize your concerns and you're giving me your boundaries and they still violate. Why I keep asking, So I just want to I just want to give it a track. You know, nothing matter that. We appreciate your time, a

legend in the space. Yeah, obviously, your your your your contributions to society, to our culture in particular, man, And it's been incredible man, and have you take time to sit down on our show man, it means a lot to us. Can I ask one question? How strong is the plug? Is? Show? You could do whatever you want? Over there, we're doing some things. Pass the plug. Let's talk. I just like you know. I'm telling you I got you should should didn't make a move. Let's talk. We

got we got some things cooking. They must you're killing it right over here. You must be yeah, definitely, yeah, we're cooking, cooking. I would I would love to have your guidance and cook more. I'll tell you. Come on. Well, that's a rap man. We want to thank Dame Dash for us time you can. That's just a Showtime Basketball YouTube and the Heart Platform Black Effects. We'll see you

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