Alicyn
Maybe the world is blind doo doo doo doo doo doo doo or just a little unkind. Okay, major points to anybody that can guess that theme song. If anybody can guess that theme song I just sing, you're gonna win major points. Maybe the world is blind. Did it doo doo doo doo doo are just a little unkind. This is completely unrelated to Miss Olivia.
Hi guys. Welcome to Alicyn's Wonderland, the show that takes you down the rabbit hole, and through the looking glass into the wild and wacky world of animation. And I'm so glad you guys all jumped back on. Thank you so much for joining. I appreciate that. And let's see, let's give Olivia another second.
So our guest today is Olivia Hack. And Olivia is a voice actress and on-camera actress. She's been in the business pretty much her entire life. So that's amazing. And I'm so excited to have her on the show and just have a chat about the changes that she's seen in the industry over the years some of her favorite roles and what it's like being back out at conventions these days. Okay so let's see if it works this time... Yay!
Olivia Hack
Did we do it?
Alicyn
We did it. It's all happened. Oh my God, I love your fabulous backdrop.
Olivia Hack
Oh my god. I was like trying to type on this thing on a tripod and it was just like, it was like a 60 day shoot. Does that work? It's all working. Okay. Yeah. Hi.
Alicyn
Yes, yes. Hi, how are you?
Olivia Hack
I'm good. How are you?
Alicyn
I'm good. Another amazing hair day.
Olivia Hack
I was gonna say I love the pink.
Alicyn
Thank you.
Olivia Hack
It's really good. It's really good. We think to switch it up. You said we were having cocktails. Are we having cocktails?
Alicyn
I got a cocktail.
Olivia Hack
Okay, okay, good. Okay, cuz I bought one of them how they make like a mini bottles of champagne.
Alicyn
Yeah!
Olivia Hack
I'm gonna do like a mini bottle of champagne. I'm going to Italy next week. And I was like, telling me I'm like, I'm not gonna drink till I go to Italy. And then I was like, if Alicyn Packard wants to drink so we should have some champagne. That's what we're gonna do.
Alicyn
Oh my gosh, I wish I was drinking champagne now.
Olivia Hack
Yeah. Hey.
Alicyn
Yeah, baby. Let's get this party started.
Olivia Hack
Let's get this party started. It's Wednesday, so we might as well
Alicyn
Happy Hump Day.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, you too. It's going like I did a con last weekend. And where was that? Oh, Altoona, Pennsylvania. And so I'm a little it's still a little it's one of those things where you're there for nights you adjust, but you don't really and you're also on like that con schedule. And so I'm here but I'm here. Living the dream.
Alicyn
Living your best life. Yeah, that's me. How What? Oh, cheers. By the way, there's so being back at at con and this is your second or third since the pandemic or something?
Olivia Hack
Yeah, I think third. Yeah, I love it. Like I actors are messaging me all the time right now. And they're like, what do you think? And I don't know, I'm vaccinated. I don't know. I just really like doing cons like cons are one of my favorite things to do. Which is why I'm always trying to do more anime, because that's all anybody cares about anymore. Even though it doesn't pay you anything. I just I like doing them.
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
But yeah, it's been great. And the vibe is good there. Because for most people, most towns you go to it's their first con in two years. And yeah, so people are stoked, they're happy to be there. And cons are already for me, like, it's the best energy.
Because I think a lot of it is like, a lot, especially for some whatever reason animation, if there's a lot of people that feel a little like, disenfranchised, or they're on the spectrum or whatever. And so for a lot of people, you're meeting them on their best day. And for some people, that's the best day of our whole year, and they're so happy to be there. And they're feeling like they have a community and everything. So the energy is always so good. And there's an uprising and everything because people are so sweet. And yeah, so I'm just like, I'm happy to be back in ...
Alicyn
Oh, somebody just tuned in. They said you were so nice. I was close to tears with how kind you are. Oh, it is also nice to be able to just bring that kindness, you know, and that sensibility to others. And what a gift to know that it's someone's day.
Olivia Hack
Yeah. nd it is a gift. It's a tool. It's a privilege, and people come off and I don't, I didn't write the show. I don't have anything to do with it really. I went in one day for a couple hours and did my job years ago.
And so it's it really is like a privilege that people even associate you with that stuff and come up and tell you how much things meant to you or it got them through a hard time or whatever. And also too, I really try I've seen some i'm not i would say I'm not a celebrity but I'm a celebrity in the right room, but I've seen some celebrities They just do the signing thing and like this and it's such it like, angers me. Because
Alicyn
because they're like taste after they're just like,
Olivia Hack
Yeah, and I just feel like you owe people like a people are spending their money on you. And also, but beyond that someone comes up and they really like, for a lot of people it's overwhelming. A lot of people come up and they're crying or they're shaking or whatever, because it is an overwhelming experience it really Yes, it's a lot of energy.
And like at the end of one of those days, I'm spent, like I'm done. But that's because I am giving like 200% to everybody. And like, you owe that to people. I don't know, like I just it this is a gift. This is such a gift. So I just treat it like that, I guess.
Alicyn
Yeah. You have a big heart. And it's nice to be able to put it to use.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, yeah. And people are really like, they're so genuine. They're so genuine. And they're so heartfelt. And I don't experience a lot of that in my life, but with strangers and whatever. And people want to share their stories and whatnot. And yeah, it's just very sweet, very endearing to me.
Alicyn
And do you find that the crowds are the same size as they were pre pandemic? Or?
Olivia Hack
We'll see it's hard because every show I do is a first show that I've done. So what I've been hearing is 'Oh, it's not as big as last year' from people. But I don't have anything to base that on. But yeah, I've been hearing that they're smaller crowds, but to me, I don't know.
Alicyn
How can people book you if they want to get you at their local con?
Olivia Hack
I always say like, the best thing for people to - for promoters like all my handles and all that stuff further on Twitter, like you can find me it's no barrier management and celeb works and a bunch of others, honestly, like, I always tell voice actors to not be exclusive with I probably have like 10 con agents because you don't have to be exclusive. So why would you be? Because whatever, but I always say for fans, and the best thing they can do is like pretty much every what...?
Alicyn
You're gonna say tweet them, like every day.
Olivia Hack
Oh no. That too, but pretty much every con website has a request page with who you want there. And honestly, like the best thing is people go, "How do we get you at our local comic con?" And I'm like them and tell them who we want to see. So I don't know. I don't know if that works, but that's what they tell us to do.
Alicyn
What do you find that most of the people that come visit you at cons are fans of everything?
Olivia Hack
So depends. So this last con was like a general like, General Comic Con. Right. So on that one because I was there with two other actors from avatar, I signed avatar stuff. I signed some Brady Bunch stuff randomly, which is random. And some Hey Arnold! stuff. Maybe a little Con Wars or something.
But like I the one I did before was strictly an anime show. So I was signing avatar stuff, but then other anime things and stuff from Persona Five, this video game I did whatever. So it really depends on the show if it's an anime show, which is so interesting, if we want to talk about anime for a second.
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
It's like anime's... So like, it's such a different world. And it's interesting because I was on a panel with some anime actors at this last con. And they were saying, which is very true, even five years ago, I felt like you didn't tell people you did anime. You didn't your agent didn't submit you on anime.
It was just like dirty little secret and nobody wanted to touch it. And it was like, I was equated to I sound like a jerk saying this. But like anime actors are like soap actors. You know how there's like that weird divide.
Alicyn
There's a stigma that is .
Olivia Hack
They're just different, there's celebrities in that world all go to a con, and there'll be an anime actor with a line around the block. And all of us are standing there with our sag cards going, who is this person we've never heard of. But they're a huge, huge star in the anime world. But there's such a crossover now. And I think...
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
A big part of that was crunchy roll, which is the big anime station is now on HBO. And it's just like what kids are watching. Like, my friends kids are all watching anime, which was never the case even just a few years ago. And so it's really jumped over into the mainstream now. Yeah, but it's Yeah, but it's just interesting. But again, also it's so weird. I'll just sit here and talk Oh shit, is that okay?
And I don't mean it in like a negative way. But I was sitting at this anime convention. And the moderator was alright, and so I started asking these anime actors questions, and I was like, so how do you get your start doing this, and we're three anime actors, and none of them had been doing it longer than four years.
And every single one of them had auditioned at Anime Expo in LA gotten up, sold bang zoom class. And then for every 100 people that take that back workshops, somebody gets a job, but all these people happen to get jobs that happen to be unpopular enemies, and had been in the business three years and are sitting.
Again, I sound like an egomaniac, but like I've been doing this 35 years, and we're all sitting on the same stage and I'm like, I feel like I'm doing it all wrong. Like I obviously need to take a bank zoom workshop do the it's just weird. It's a an is such a weird world. I don't know, it's very strange. B
Alicyn
But a credit is
Olivia Hack
An avatar, your length of credits if you are auditioning regularly, you wouldthink but I don't like without world, like all those people, a lot of it's done out of Texas, right through automation.
And then a lot of those people also like our casting directors, so a lot of anime actors are also casting directors and direct voice directors and then they all end up casting either themselves or each other. I don't know. It's a weird world. It's a weird world anyway, but I love to do more.
Alicyn
I think I grew up I don't think I heard about anime until I was late High School. And then it was like, bootleg VHS. Oh, no. You never knew what you're gonna get.
Olivia Hack
Yeah.
Alicyn
And now Yeah, the I got my hair done this week. And the woman was saying, Oh, my daughter really loves anime, and she loves going to conventions. And it seems this I meet kids on the playground, and they're like, I love My Hero Academia. But isn't it a bit of a like a gamble? Not a gamble, because the work is the work but there's so much content of anime coming out right now.
Olivia Hack
You have no idea what's going to be successful? No, you have no clue. So unless you know that it's an even then, but unless it's like the number one show in Japan, maybe that's like a guarantee.
Alicyn
But otherwise, yeah, there's so much content you're like, I hope this one's gonna be a hit. I have no idea. It's a total gamble. And the weird thing is people... fans who don't know this like $75 now but it's twice as much work because you're... you're matching to explain you talk
Dubbing?
Olivia Hack
Yeah. Yeah, like you're mat- you're matching to lip flaps and all that stuff. You're reading time code. So sorry, my brains like half working today. So yeah, so it's twice as much work, the third of the pay, and there's no residuals and you don't know if it'll be successful and all that stuff. But again, the cons. This is what I'm here for.
Alicyn
There is there's definitely some union anime stuff that's coming in on Netflix and the whole industry really changing. But yeah, it's been amazing to interview some anime stars on here and see the amount of people that jump on the stream that now crazy.
Olivia Hack
It's so different. Yeah. So I don't know
Alicyn
Powerful power, if it's something and with the cons and everything. Are you also do you hang out? Are you like, are you going to the karaoke nights and all that or so?
Olivia Hack
Yeah, it depends. So like the last one that was like a karaoke night. And I always feel like you should you're supposed to like put in an appearance at that stuff. And so all the actors went after night again, the best part of I sound like an alcoholic. I'm not but when you're in Altoona, Pennsylvania, I went to we went to the red lobster, which I've never been to.
Alicyn
Oh my God!
Olivia Hack
The thing of awesome thing about con so I like meeting fans, but I also like hanging out with all the other actors because it's such a random grab bag. Oh, okay. I used to watch you on TV. And now we're like, hanging out. Um, but uh, Hendrix Martini is $8 at the Red Lobster in...
Alicyn
Hey!
Olivia Hack
So after a few of those, we were like, let's go to the karaoke night. But ya know, I always feel like you're you should make an appearance at those things. Because it's just like polite. Like you're someone's guests and whatever. I did sing some Billy Joel. What did you say?
Alicyn
Did you have any shrimp?
Olivia Hack
I did. I said back that's all I had because I was also very hard to eat was impossible to eat healthy in Altoona, Pennsylvania. And I was like, there's some grilled shrimp here and there's some broccoli so I'm going to be all about that. Because no, otherwise it was I had ribs three days in a row.
Alicyn
That was a lot.
Olivia Hack
Yeah. So I might have like, room, sir.
Yeah, no, and I ate like biscuits and gravy at the cracker. It was like it was out of control. So it was just yeah,
Alicyn
I loved watching your ID stories and like how you guys got rerouted to the wrong airport. you want to tell us?
Olivia Hack
It's not that interesting, but like basically, like we were flying and they were like, we're just gonna keep circling for bad weather. Then we ran out of gas. So they had to fly us to another airport landed us and they were like, hang out on the plane an hour. They're like we don't know we're waiting for the weather to clear up. Maybe we'll refill maybe we won't and then they were like the weather's trash.
So we're gonna let you all out of here at like midnight in this other airport three hours away. So one of the other actors was able to find some transpo guy on Google or something. And he picked us up and drove us but we got in at three in the morning. It was trash it was so it was like me some chick from the Mandalorian, some avatar actors. Oh, and Jim Cummings, Winnie the Pooh.
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
So we were just watching but that's what I like. It's like those road stories where you're just like, we're just all bandmates now. And we're in a rock band. And this is it. And this is what you do. But we had a great time. It was a great time.
Alicyn
Trains, planes and automobiles. I when I heard that your very first commercial you were eight months old.
Olivia Hack
That's right. That's correct.
Alicyn
What was the commercial?
Olivia Hack
Minolta camera. I think I actually got cut out of it. Yeah, and then yeah, and then I just did a ton of which is mostly like when you're a kid actor. That's how you start is doing commercials. And yeah, I just did a ton of commercials.
Alicyn
Did... do you think that having your parents in the business helped influence you getting a start?
Olivia Hack
So yeah, like I really, how's you say it? Yeah, I probably did a commercial at once. I don't think I got like a SAG card till I was like three or four. But I know Yeah, I'm really old. Yeah, I also had a personality for it.
There's a lot of people like people my whole life will be like, I want to put my kid in the business and have cool can your kid like go to total strangers? Can they do they have a personality or they like there's so many other facets to it. Other than my kid is cute. Like you really have to be had which I hate that word, but like a precocious personality.
Like it's a lot more than just oh my kids cute. There's a lot of because I do a little coaching of child actors on the side. And a lot of that is just you can be like cute as the day as long but if you don't have it, you don't have it. And there's 50 other kids that do you know.
Alicyn
Yeah,
Olivia Hack
I think it's like more competitive than people think especially as you get older because like in the beginning are just a prop right? Like it's like a kid a dog? And like a car. Yeah, but then like at a certain point. Oh, hi, my car. But you know, Mikey car he's surrogacy is but then. Yeah. But then like, eventually, you're going to actually be asked to act. And that's when it becomes tricky for some kids.
Alicyn
And not all kids want that either.
Olivia Hack
No. I mean, really? Totally.I think like when you're asking about parents, like I saw a lot of like, really psycho stage moms as one does. And so I had a really good mom who was always like there and on set and understood that it's a job and taught me to be a buffer Oh, do and have to be because like people will take as much as they can get, like, they'll overwork you. They'll like, I'll just do weird stuff, and whatever.
And so she was always very, like protective in a good way. And then of course, I wasn't supporting my family. But you certainly see that as well. And like kids, yeah, who don't want to be there. And not even kids who are supporting their family, but just kids who don't want to be there. And they're living their parents dream, for sure. So that's definitely happens. But yeah, so I very much lacked out in the, in the stage parent department.
Alicyn
Yeah, that's what they say. It takes a couple generations to really make a career in Hollywood. And you do see that even voice acting, the people that got their start really early, were able to get make more connections early and get known early and segue into a lengthy career, whereas somebody that's just getting started and trying to figure out how the business works can take longer.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, and yet sometimes I feel like I'm a total dinosaur. Because even though I'm in my 30s, and like relatively young, there's a lot of stuff where I just am like, I come from such a different school, and I'm always trying to like figuring out. But yeah, there is a part of me that I'm certainly not as like, up to date as other our friend Stephanie is writing, How do I tune in? I don't know Stephanie, come on, you know how to use the internet.
But yeah, there's definitely a part of me that's like, always feels like I'm a little out of touch a bit. I don't know. And now Okay, for example. First off actors hate when I say this, especially at my last or my last concert, you know, it's not even good. It's just about that I'm an old lady, but they were talking about my gear and I was like, I record everything. I'm like a $30 microphone and they like die you could watch their souls leave their bodies, because they were talking about like their Newman's and like their $1,000 setups and whatever and I was like, I don't know.
And and the recording from home thing now so everyone records from home, and I have a friend with the recording studio at his house was a like a music producer. And so I go over there. When I booked stuff I don't even know, I don't I'm not like I'm not tech. So just that alone and you have to know so much now. Like, I don't know, it's like, everyone gets so easy and I'm like, Oh, no, I'm not. Like,
Alicyn
Yeah. George Widom got me set up and definitely can lead you through it if that's what you need. But it sounds like that might not be something that you need.
Olivia Hack
I'm a terrible person. Alicyn, I just rely on the current grads really
Alicyn
Just rely on those good looks girly.
Olivia Hack
So terrible, but it's true. They will write you a studio, like I was living in Vegas at the beginning of the year, because my mind and I had booked something. And I was just like, can you book me a studio? And they did or I think even Actually, I booked one of them. They reimburse me. But there are ways around and maybe if not, if you're not working every single day, and I'm not working every single day, so I just I call in favors, because I'm ill prepared.
Alicyn
You're doing just fine. i love it.
Olivia Hack
What else was out here?
Alicyn
Stephanie? She made it on. Yeah, so yeah, I was curious. Also, cuz your dad's a director. And so Michael Hack is your Dad, can you talk a little bit about the projects that you guys worked on Final Fantasy together? You've worked on a couple different things with your dad?
Olivia Hack
We worked on, we worked on Final Fantasy together. And then, I'm not sure but maybe we did on that one. We worked on a show called Astroboy together. We worked on Care Bears together, though, because he always said we've worked on maybe three or four things together. But it always sounds like nepotism. And I'm the same way.
Like when I see someone, especially the people were like, they came out of nowhere. And you're like, and now you have Okay, Jaden Smith, or whatever, like, all right, like we get like, we understand why this is happening for you. But I always feel like I, I very much came at it on my own for sure. And then my dad actually did cast me in this one show that nobody's ever seen. It was called Kids Forum 402.
We did a couple seasons of it. But everybody who was on that show that shows just like one of those shows it was a nightmare to work on. And it was the only and he quit, he quit after three episodes, because he was like, This is garbage. I'm leaving, and left me there with all the rest of the cast. And it's the only show I've ever worked on where all the cast members on Fox family as somebody watched it.
All right, we were all in the bathroom at one, Mindy Cohen was in it. And I think Tara was on it to nine people. It was a good cast. But I remember it's all in the bathroom at one point being like, do we quit? Are we going to quit? We should quit? Are we going to quit this show? Yes. Because it was just like they were just, it was so sometimes there's shows that you do.
So for people who I assume most of these people don't work in voiceover that are watching. But like, the worst thing that can happen to an actor, so like, typically pre COVID, like you're in a booth, and you can't hear what the other people on the other side of the booth are saying, which is the director, the writers, the producers, whatever, the worst thing that can happen to you is you do a take, and the voice director pushes the button and they go Yeah, that's so great. That's so great. Hang on. And then they turn around, and they turn around, and they start talking to the director to the writers and everything.
And then they're gone for 10 minutes, and then they turn back around and they're like yeah, so can you do anyway that happened on every single line on that show? And we all just about lost our minds. But the question was did have I worked with my dad and yes, but he abandoned me.
Alicyn
Yeah, cuz you'd already you already had a thriving career by the time you got into voice over was avatar, your very first voiceover job.
Olivia Hack
Oh, God, no, no, I didn't do Avatar till I was like, I was probably like, 21, 22 and I was doing the show.
Alicyn
So you did do feel before that?
Olivia Hack
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So when I think the first like real voiceover job I did was like, back in the day when you would buy like a toy they would have remember like the VHS tapes that just wrote just basically like a 30 minute long commercial for the toy that like came with a toy. Remember though.
So this is a doll called PJ sparkles. And there was a like a video like a VHS cartoon that came with it. And I was like one of those Hey, Arnold! was really like the first animated series that I did. And I think I started doing that when I was, I believe just turned 12, 11, 12. But what was cool about that people always say, "Oh, what's your favorite show you worked on?" and they want me to say avatar, because it's so popular, which is also hilarious, because it's 15 years old.
But really at the show for me. That's my personal favorite is Hey Arnold. And that's because, like, people always go Oh, it's my childhood. And I'm like, what's my childhood too, because we did that all as kids. And so now I feel like it's very common to have all kid casts but back then it was rare because school and all that stuff, and even the Like we had four Arnold's because there's a really like, I don't do boy noises but there's a really texture that comes out with boys around like 10, 11, 12 and they're right there and then their voice changes and so they get these Arnolds because they like this texture and whatever and then their voice would change, cast another one. Why did room for two that cancel out? I don't know why anything happens.
Alicyn
How traumatic must that be for those poor kids too, to get canned?
Olivia Hack
Yeah.
Alicyn
When you're like all the hormones are pulsing through your body.
Olivia Hack
Craig was really nice in that he would bring them back occasionally for like guest stars, they would always like play bullies like bigger, older grade bullies. But it was super cool because we did that show for a long time, like longer than longer than most cartoon shows run. And yeah, so it's very cool. So you grow up with these kids?
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
And then that's your after school activity every Thursday or whatever. So it's special. And also to, I... that show it is very special. Like, people again, people will go on and on about Avatar, and Avatar is wonderful for its own merits. But there's something about Arnold where that was very ahead of its time, like was multicultural. But beyond that, I look back and we did like a Vietnam War Christmas episode. And I'm like, How the hell did they get away with that?
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
Craig was really ahead of his time for a lot of reasons. But yeah, that show just has a lot of heart. And also, when you look back and watch it as an adult, you're like, oh, how does mom's an alcoholic and oh, and Arnold like gets mugged. And one of the kids at school is porn, pretending to not be very realistic themes and a lot of animation these days. Not all of it, but a lot of it is very, like, A D D like in your face and whatever. And I feel like that show really took its time with pacing and moments and stuff.
Alicyn
Yeah, so anyway, I just thought, Hey, I don't Sorry, I'm just wax poetic about hair.
Olivia Hack
Yeah. And earlier gay. Exactly. Like stuff that you're like, Oh, they really got away with this stuff in the 90s.
Alicyn
Yeah, they were breaking new ground.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, so I don't know. So it's just a cool. It's a cool show. Yeah, ironically, it sounds cool. Just because it is all kids.
Alicyn
Yeah. And so you might also mention that Avatar has become wildly popular since it's been flicks and many consider it one of the best animated series of all time. I'm curious. Has there been any talks of what's how has that changed your life now?
Olivia Hack
It was weird, before social media, you do a show and you're like, I guess people watched it we keep doing more seasons of this I guess people like it. an Avatar was created by these two guys named Mike and Brian and they conceived it as three seasons. And it was like we're doing three seasons we're only doing three seasons This is it. And so I didn't really know what was popular because I came in on Season Two and so did season two and three. And then I ended and I kind of never thought about it again, really.
And and so years went by and I also never watched the show. And I also never read the scripts because it's very confusing. It's its own world it's like Star Wars. So if you come in and you're like Fire Nation, Earth Lord, Water... but I don't know what any of this means. So I did what actors do which is you go like bullshit bullshit my line bullshit bullshit or whatever. And then you keep right you know what I mean? Don't act like you don't. So so whatever.
And so people are always like, oh tiny so perky and I'm like, Yeah, she's so perky because I didn't know she was a bad guy. I was like, I just saw the character model or whatever. And she was pink and really cute. I had no clue right? So years later, I ended up my first con ever in Australia we did an Australian New Zealand con which was good. Yeah, those are the best the Australia concept of us but so I'm at this con and I don't know I thought they just flew me out there because I was fabulous or something. I don't know what I thought in my brain.
Alicyn
You are fabulous.
Olivia Hack
Yeah. And so I'm sitting there with Dante Bosco who plays like the lead villain on the show. And they put these like stack of pictures in front of me and I was like, What character is this even?
I was like, Dante this is... it's all Avatar. He's like, Oh yeah, Olivia is like a super popular show man. I had no clue and then I watched yes honor and then I watched it and she's like writing this like lizard she's like totally a villain. Like I had no clue because I'm terrible actor and I don't the work that I should be doing.
So people are always like, I love that she's so against type and I'm like, Yeah, she's against type because I was just like, Doing a thing I was just doing a thing I was just showing up I don't know.
Alicyn
How did you land that role?
Olivia Hack
It's weird because they must have cast somebody like it's in an anime style and so it can it bridges the gap so that's why I do anime cons because like it's considered like an American anime or whatever, but I came in and they must have cast somebody that they didn't like could the first two episodes I was dubbing it so I just thought it was like a dub. I thought it was like an anime. So yeah, so I don't know just like I got get every show on why with a wing and a prayer and you just randomly booked something. I don't know.
Alicyn
Lucky. That's amazing.
Olivia Hack
Luck. It's all luck. All this stuff is luck. It's all just pure luck. So anytime you book something, any audition, you get a lottery ticket. And then sometimes you win the lotto, you know? And also too, it's weird like you could do I have friends that have done five times the amount of projects I have, but don't get to go to cons or don't get to whatever and I just happened to lock out and book some things that are popular, but you don't know.
Alicyn
Yeah, there's not a lot of people coming to cons. Hey, you weren't my favorite preschool show.
Olivia Hack
But here's the weird thing though. And this is the thing like, like, Hey Arnold.
Alicyn
Yeah,
Olivia Hack
if it was out right now, I wouldn't be able to go to a con for that. But because all those people are now 20 and 30. Now you have the nostalgia factor. Some of my friends are like how do I go to cons and I'm like we don't have the right credits but in 15 years, you might just because of that particular show, and those people aging out or whatever.
I know I do sound like Ron Sorry. I'm reading a comment. I do sound like Rhonda and people are like do the voice of Rhonda and I'm like I'm doing the voice and Rhonda I'm that's it. She's... She's a little more hottie and a little richer and a little more judgmental. But it's my same voice. But yeah, so it's all luck. It's all luck.
Alicyn
Do you think Hey Arnold, whatever, come you guys just did some Movie a movie?
Olivia Hack
So, yeah, Nickelodeon is so weird. Like, I was thinking okay, so they did a Hey Arnold movie, an Invader Zim movie and a Rocco's Modern Life movie all at the same time span. And I think that they, those were basically supposed to be reboots, and then the hero movie did okay. But it didn't do that well, because they released it on like Thanksgiving. And they didn't promote it that great. And it's a beautiful movie, like I reboots, whatever.
But Harold ended on a cliffhanger. And it was really well done like this. It had all the same writers, it had the same musicians and at the same voice actors, and it's beautiful to look out like it's actually and it did need to be made, and that it did pick up that cliffhanger and whatever. So I love that movie. I'll speak very highly of it.
But I think Nickelodeon is so odd because I was thinking the other day, I'm like, what other network is because I get residual checks. So I know, hey, Arnold's airing all the time, had one other network is constantly showing all their material from 25 years ago, it's bizarre, I don't quite know like what their deal is. And then also, you go to Target or wherever, and there's Hey Arnold shirts everywhere and stuff.
And I'm like, I don't quite like it's odd that they don't want to keep that IP alive. Just like Disney. The reason that they remake all those cartoons in a live action movie is they're keeping that intellectual property alive, right for the next generation. So it's weird that Nickelodeon is all about their Nicktoons. But then doesn't reboot theeir Nicktoons? I don't quite know what they do over there. But yeah, but so I think,
Alicyn
Maybe, something on the pipeline,
Olivia Hack
I don't know. But I just it's odd. So whatever.
Alicyn
Yeah, so that was okay. Let's see. So now..
Olivia Hack
I'm very honest. As you know.
Alicyn
That's good. No, I think it's refreshing. So many people are afraid to say what's really on their mind and just skirt around topics. And it's nice to hear when somebody has a strong opinion, so...
Olivia Hack
I don't think anybody really cares what I have to say. So I just, although I did say, we were doing this avatar panel that was like an online panel, and it was like a big deal at the beginning of the year.
And they were like, what do you think of the new avatar series? It's coming out. And it's, it's like exactly, the cartoon show from my understanding. And I said, Oh, I think it's a little redundant. And then we just moved on. And for whatever reason that pull quote got put, like all over the internet, like, avatar cast thinks the new show is redundant, and I'm like, "Whatever."
Alicyn
Oh no.
Olivia Hack
Whatever.
Alicyn
You like, but if I was in it,
Olivia Hack
Yeah, but if I was in it, it's the best thing ever. Well, that's the interesting thing. So with Avatar, with that last show, or new show, so Mike and Brian, the creators were not involved in the movie and everyone hates the movie. It was like directed by M. Night Shyamalan. I've never seen People say it's like the worst thing ever. And that's just like universally panned. People hate it.
And so it was very exciting with this new TV show that they were involved. And then like halfway through, they bounced and quit. So I know it's weird but then Nickelodeon just announced a couple months ago that now they have a whole new department called Avatar studios and they're going to make an animated movie and they're going to like do all these different projects with Avatar studios I think they're basically trying...
They realized it's interesting like when you have a property that is its own universe, like a Star Wars or Star Trek or whatever. And Avatar is very much that because it exists in its own land and whatever as its own tribes and all that sort of thing. And so I think I am only hypothesizing I have no idea but Nickelodeon seems to realize like how much... how rich that is.
Alicyn
Yeah.
Olivia Hack
And how much they could diversify in that so I'm curious it'll be interesting to see what they do with it. You're not a fan of Avatar. I don't know what to tell you man. You're the only one.
Alicyn
So now I know we talked a little bit about how the industry is changing with cons and we're seeing voice actors connecting more with their fan bases online on Instagram and social media and I know you've got this new venture doing a lot of stuff for creating content on only fans. How has that been for you?
Olivia Hack
It's been great although my account just got suspended and I think it's because I put it's okay it's maybe it'll be back tomorrow I don't know it's only been suspended like two days because I put them a picture from a con with like other people on your own supposed to, unless you're supposed to tag people I don't know whatever I that might not even be the reason that it's suspended. I have no idea it's been good.
The fun thing is like my girlfriend and I she's an artist, like a visual artist. And I like to have a good time and so you will see breast on all my fans like I'm not gonna sugarcoat it or anything but we just basically get on there and we make our weird little art movies and we make money from it and it's been great so it's very fun and we get to just be our real selves and interact with fans like in that world.
And it's fun because what I hear the most is from people oh this is really different than anything else I see on here because like we like rent sets and do costumes and all this like crazy stuff like it's not like your bait I think people think only fans and they think a very specific thing dirty sex but we're on there just like making our weird art stuff and like getting paid for it and also yeah it's just like a good it's a good time like we don't take it very seriously so hopefully I'll get reinstated.
I don't know also to like there was somebody on there who was I'm just I'm not gonna lie like spending a lot of money and then disappeared and our thing was like maybe it was a stolen credit card so it might be I don't know why I got suspended maybe it was that I have no idea but I'm under pending investigation.
Alicyn
So, I hope this works out for you
Olivia Hack
Me too because I I just we just made this really awesome art film this really cool movie and we can't release now.
Alicyn
Now that you've created this fan base on there could you really step through your own website or ...
Olivia Hack
I could I would need a website terrible I'm a terrible actor like I don't have any of the stuff that you're not
Alicyn
Need to do what everybody else does just because everybody else does it. People just do things to stay busy in the time when they're not working as much then that's what we all just want to be.
Olivia Hack
We all want to be all the time.
Alicyn
And it's if you've grown up in the spotlight in many ways so it's interesting to see this new venture and how you can put your creativity in a completely different and fully self expressed way
Olivia Hack
Yeah it is fun because it is self totally like you said like fully self expressed and then it's very like me and it's a me that I don't necessarily put on Instagram all the time or whatever yeah and I get to do it with my friend. If I wasn't doing it with one of my girlfriends but like the fact that we do it together and she shoots it all and it's just fun it's just a good time
Alicyn
What's her name?
Olivia Hack
Only fans it's just my name but I don't you might be able to follow right now some people are saying they can see it some people are saying they can't it's like it's weirdly I don't know it's really suspended but give it a follow only fans dot com slash Olivia Hack.
It's there and then maybe I'll get to release my stuff or maybe I won't I don't know but it's been great I've been doing it for six months it's really fun so I'm hoping it's I'm hoping it's not gone forever because it's so depressing that it is so I don't know because it is it's fun to have I don't know like to come up with ideas and then fully be able to like, style them art direct them film them. Yeah, it's just it's a cool different like thing that I get to do so yeah, so hopefully, let's see.
Alicyn
Who knows you see this as being another Is this gonna become a bigger thing do you think creating a lot of people are like pulling coupling off Instagram to do Patreon or which I called you trolling for a few years but
Olivia Hack
Patreon is like to my understanding like with Patreon like you owe people things right so say if they get $50 a month they get this stuff the other if they give $30 a month this stuff the other with only fans, I just put it out there and if you want to buy it, you buy it and if you don't, so I don't like feeling like I have to. I'm not good with rules.
And I'm not necessarily great with structure, like you have to understand I didn't go to college, I didn't go to high school. I didn't. I've never had a real job. So like I exist in this weird sphere of I kind of don't want to do anything I don't want to do which is a privilege. But I now I'm at this point where it's I'm almost 40 and I I've been very spoiled. Yes. So Patreon... fuck Patreon. Sorry, I'm terrible. I'm terrible.
Alicyn
It's you've built this life you've manifested this life, that was a life of your desire. And so
Olivia Hack
I don't know if this is the life I desire. But this is the life that I have for so like I'm rolling with it, like I want totally different things are totally different life than the life that I live. But it didn't go that way. So I'm always just, I'm here to make the best of it. And I'm definitely somebody who like he has been depressed in my life and all sorts of things.
And people used to always say you just have to choose to be happy. And to me, it was so frustrating. And it is it's a frustrating thing to say to people who suffer from depression and all that stuff. But there's definitely when you're on the other side of it, there is like some truth in that where you do have to you can embrace that stuff and you can really wallow in it and you can really fixate on it or you can just keep swimming.
And I spent years of my life like not going to auditions or like what like just blowing stuff off because I was just like I'm just gonna lie in bed and do this thing and a certain point you gotta just get over your own bullshit like I like and I hate to talk about depression that way cuz I know it's very serious but yeah, like it's a fake it till you make it thing so a lot of times I'm just but it works.
Alicyn
I think the hardest part is that when you have mental health issues, it you're like not moving. And so there's this stagnation that just creates more of that same stagnation. Whereas if I wake up in the morning and I exercise, and I drink a ton of water and I do the things like x, y and z will I feel a little bit better than next day and a little bit better the next day but creating like a foundation to keep you moving forward is the hardest when you've lost the momentum.
Olivia Hack
Oh completely completely no it's Yeah, no, it's very difficult and like I am like fundamentally like a nihilist and but there's a freedom in that and so you could go through the world is like nothing matters which is true for me. Or you can be like nothing matters which is can be very liberating.
And I'm a big believer that like this is it you go around once and so you got to max it out. You got to max it out you got to have the experiences and yeah and go for it so I'm just here I'm just here trying to max it out here Alicyn.
Alicyn
Yeah, one thing that also I have found works really well for me with dealing with anxiety and different mood is tapping EFT tapping. Have you ever tried it?
Olivia Hack
Oh,
Alicyn
It 's Emotional Freedom Technique. And it sounds really silly but you basically tap on these meridian points. While you first you acknowledge what's wrong. I'm so exhausted right now. I feel shit I don't want to move. I don't want to get up and you go through a series of like points here and here. And then eventually started working you acknowledge and give voice to the negative emotions because that's part of it. We can't just brush all that aside without acknolwedging it, and then you start to but I'm excited about the future. What is positive?
Olivia Hack
What are you doing now, like what's the topping doing?
Alicyn
It breaks up the thought pattern. So that the pattern is like this pattern in your head where you're repeating this thought, and it yeah, it just, it breaks up that thought pattern. And it's scientifically proven and you just you I'm so into this body das and I'll also send you some stuff. I use an app too. There's an app if you want to be easy and cheap because sometimes it's just easier and cheaper.
Olivia Hack
Alicyn Packard is a counselor.
Alicyn
So but it like so when you're flaring up especially anxiety to because you're just like it helps calm your system so that you can make better choices for yourself. I'm a really big fan of tapping and I have a lady too that I worked with if you would like me to get you a referral.
Olivia Hack
I'm so yeah, I'm very into this like I'm into it.
Alicyn
I've been wanting to tell you guys as well, Jeffrey and everybody about tapping because it really works works really well
Olivia Hack
EFT tapping?
Alicyn
EFT. Emotional Freedom Technique.
Olivia Hack
Okay. Your emotions, meditation, sometimes it's hard to declare by. I need it.
Alicyn
Oh my god, I know we don't have too much time because I can't believe the time has flown by so much. So I want to take a few questions from the audience. But first, you mentioned at the top of the call that you were going to Italy so I want to hear about your Italy trip.
Olivia Hack
I yeah. I'm going through like a separation basically. And I was like, like I said, before I was married, I traveled extensively alone. And then I traveled extensively with my husband. And I was like, well, screw it. I booked a trip to Morocco. And then everyone was like, you can't really go to Morocco alone, like people who really like no, and they were like, you can't go to Morocco alone. So I was like fine.
I've never been to Venice. It's sinking I, I was just like, let's do it. So I'm going to Italy, I'm basically just going to Venice and Verona and people are like, Are you insane? Like you can see Venice in a day. And I'm like, I don't want to see Venice in a day. I'm not one of those travelers. And I've been all over the world, but some like a jerk saying that, but I have but I'm not one of those travelers where I'm like, Okay, I'm in Italy for 10 days. So I'm going to go to Rome, Florence, Venice, Sicily, Capri, like I want to, I like to sit and things.
I like to feel like a local like I want to, I want to like a restaurant and be able to go back to that restaurant if I like so much like that sort of thing. Yeah, so I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna sit, I'm gonna chill out. And I'm just gonna, I'm gonna drink some bellinis atSt. Mark's Square and where my little baray and yeah, I'm gonna do a thing. So I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna chill out, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.
Alicyn
That's so amazing. Because then you can really experience what it's like, or get closer to experiencing what it's like to actually live somewhere.
Olivia Hack
Right?
Alicyn
Versus just being a tourist.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, I just I'm not I don't like that whole, like, get on the bus, get off the bus thing. That's not my bag. I want to soak it in.
Alicyn
What kind of bus though? There are plenty of buses that would be like...
Olivia Hack
Hey!
Alicyn
I hope you we bring in a lot of pictures. And that's the only thing
Olivia Hack
I'm gonna be alone What else am I gonna do? I'm gonna be going next week or next Friday.
Alicyn
But oh god, I'm gonna live vicariously through you.
Olivia Hack
I will infect your Instagram. You're going to be you should
Alicyn
just do a con while you're out there.
Olivia Hack
Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Let's see. Here's the funny thing. As a voice actor, you can't do cons unless you're in like Australia, New Zealand, or the UK because they dub your voice.
Alicyn
Oh, yeah.
Olivia Hack
So I was lucky a couple years ago, actually, this time two years ago. I was I did two cons in Japan. But I did them on Air Force bases, which is interesting, random. It was amazing. And so yeah, I did one in Okinawa, and I did one in Tokyo. And they were badass and it was cool and they were super big and organized like real cons. But yeah, they were just for military. So that was rap.
Alicyn
What about video games? I guess a game?
Olivia Hack
W-2. Depending on the video game so like a video gamer I do call personify that super popular is actually a Japanese video game. But it's American dubbed and all that's I think it's dubbed in five languages. So it just kinda depends if it's a big video game. Don't you think they have it? Or maybe they subtitle it?
Alicyn
I they might dub it but all the English speaking countries at least do England?
Olivia Hack
I don't know. I'll go anywhere. I'll go to Poughkeepsie. I'll go
Alicyn
Yeah, let's go manifest some more conventions. Let's do it. But I want to do one together.
Olivia Hack
Yes, we got to do it together. Let's get weird, Alicyn. Let's get weird.
Alicyn
Yes. Okay. That's so great. One more quick question is nap actually let's go to the let's let's go to the tape. Let's go to the tape. Okay, this is a pretty general question. But what's your favorite part about voice acting?
Olivia Hack
Oh, guess what you can be anybody right? So like, on camera, even though I don't really do on camera acting anymore. A little bit better. Very stuck in your thing. So if she doesn't look like this, she doesn't look like that she's too tall. She's too short. She's too wide. She's too black, whatever. But like in voice acting, you can be anybody. And so that's the best part, actually, what's the best part of voice acting is not having to remember lines.
Alicyn
Yes,
Olivia Hack
That is gone. I used to be able to do that. I smoke too much weed. I've had too much of a good time. I can't remember lines anymore. Like, it's tough. I can stuff more than two pages. So I love having all the lines up there. Oh, if you want your your tylee Funko signed, I'm doing a live signing this Saturday through streamlines. So there's a link in my bio. If you want to sign tiny pop, I will sign it live for you on Saturday. And we can
Alicyn
Share it the stories of..
Olivia Hack
Shameless plug right there. That's what you gotta do sometimes what we do.
Alicyn
So shows the shameless plug.
Olivia Hack
There's no residuals anymore, guys. So we're all just trying to make you have surprises artists, honestly, like when you subscribe to only fans, when you come to a convention and buy something like we're not to sound, whatever.
But like none of us make the money that we used to make because everything's streaming, and we don't have a lot of back end from stuff that streams and so you help support us as artists, and we get to live our artistic life. And so thank you for that. It's very helpful to us.
Alicyn
Thank you,
Olivia Hack
whatever, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna be honest.
Alicyn
Let's see. If timely was a part of what Avatar studios is whipping up? Would you voice her again?
Olivia Hack
Of course, because I can still do the voice and your aura is very pink. And also, yeah. Avatars. Awesome, and I love working. So both of those things, and I just like being part of that world and especially if I got to work with all my friends again, because we're all friends and it's a fun it's a fun bunch. It's a fun crew.
Alicyn
Oh, yeah. Are there any deleted or cut scenes from Hey Arnold that you remember doing? But not airing?
Olivia Hack
No, someone was asking about that the other day and like they really keep that pretty tight. I remember the jungle movie had a totally different ending. reloc had some different stuff, but I can't remember what it was.
But like for the most part, like they don't because they're only I think, hey, are on those were all like 12 minutes, 11 minutes. Like, they've got those like, down to a tee. Like there's not excess.
Like when you do TV. They cut stuff up all the time. Yeah, I did an episode of Gilmore Girls that I wasn't even in they totally cut me out. But whatever. And that's a whole other story. But... But yeah, for the most part animation's pretty like they're on it.
Alicyn
Yeah, they're not going to animate a bunch of stuff that they're later gonna cut out.
Olivia Hack
No.
Alicyn
I loved you as Rhonda Arnold did you relate to any of the characters on the show?
Olivia Hack
Hey, Arnold. Yeah, I when I was that age, I still and I was never a terrible human being like Rhonda is but I definitely liked clothes and fashion, Ronnie. Very. Oh, I would never wear those shoes and that sort of thing.
Alicyn
You know, Arnold's just such a good kid.
Olivia Hack
Yeah, that whole shows cool because there's somebody for everybody. Helga's me cuz she's so she likes somebody but she's so mean to him. And sometimes we all do that a little bit. You can't show all your cards, catch all your cards. But no, I think there's a little bit of all those characters in everybody. It's just such a fleshed out show.
Alicyn
We didn't even get a chance really to talk about Brady Bunch which I just recently discovered that was even you Cindy Braiding?
Olivia Hack
My favorite thing I ever did.
Alicyn
Really?
Olivia Hack
1,000%! Yeah.
Alicyn
Tell us about that.
Olivia Hack
Well, because first off it was like everybody's first besides like Shelley long like everybody's first movie Really? And a you're all just jest, right? You're like, I'm in a Hollywood picture. And then they sent us when we all booked it, which was an extensive casting process Paramount such as like, stacks and stacks of VHS tapes of all the shows to study and whatever. And so we were so ingrained in that. And then we had like, weeks of rehearsal, which you never have on films.
But so the first time we walked onto that set, having watched that show over and over in the set was, you know, perfect. It was such a trick, right? You're like, Oh my god, I'm here. I'm like, I've been watching this thing. And now I'm here and then to sing and to dance. And they flew us all to Europe, like first class on this big promotional tour. And no, it was like it's a very like, singular experience that only those people really know how it was how what no Brady Bunch was the jam and we made two of them here when you first started that I was 11 months.
The first one is 12 nine to the second and I can't dance it all if you watch that movie I'm like so cut out of those dance sequences. I still I have zero anyone who knows this about me zero rhythm at all, and I'm so like an even we all just did a big like vice in an interview for Vice for the anniversary or something. And one of the actors I think it was Jan was like, yeah, that poor Olivia Hack. She can't dance at all. And it was really unfair to her because she was like a baby. And I'm like, there's 11 year olds who can dance like I should stop. But everyone knew it was terrible. But yeah, just so fun. Just really fun and the costumes and all that stuff.
Alicyn
Yeah, and I heard you took like hour and a half to get into makeup
Olivia Hack
For me like they would like they would braid all my hair and then they would like paint my scalp. So that might sound like I had dark hair, but they didn't want my roots to show through or something through this wig. It wasn't I don't know if it was an hour and a half. But it was hot as hell because I was in the valley we shot in Encino.
And it was like 110 that summer and we're all in polyester with a wig. And poor Peter got like kidney stones from being so dehydrated. Oh it was hot. It was very it was a very hot shoot but great we had the best time oh they were like uso shows. They were like strictly a convention. Sorry. I'm like every once in a while I catch a question.
Alicyn
And so then I heard you spend a lot of time trying to work on the list to master Cindy's list can you still do it?
Olivia Hack
Of course I can do it I can it's very easy to list you know you just put your accent where th is our it's not hard at all. However it's so funny because as a kid people meet you and interviewers and just regular people whenever they're like you don't have a list in real life and you're like no I'm an actor.
And there's a very end sometimes this is the case but there's this disconnect with people with kids we're like kids aren't really actors like they can't act but you can the good ones can anyway but yeah i don't know i in a way maybe because of Brady Bunch like I started out as a voice actor in some ways
Alicyn
Yeah!
Olivia Hack
Yeah so there is that too for sure.
Alicyn
Yeah. Oh my god I just want to hear you do that all day is amazing. It was so good Wow. Oh I don't want to keep you I know I said we said we're gonna go for an hour so one more question. Has the English version of Burn the Witch dropped yet? And what's it about? I'm not sure if that question makes sense, too.
Olivia Hack
It has dropped it is on HBO Max. It's on crunchy roll. It's an Animax. Okay. And hopefully we will do more. I know it was a film in Japan and they cut it up into three long episodes here, but hopefully they will do more. It's my first lead role in an anime.
Alicyn
Who's your character?
Olivia Hack
Her name is like Minnie. Minnie Spenco I think um
Alicyn
Wow that's so cool
Olivia Hack
but they like they fight they fight dragons in London. I don't know and then some people on the internet so when I did an anime someone I know who does anime It was like anime fans are vicious. Get ready. And I was like, Alright, it was fun is everyone's been nice to me. But somebody was complaining that they didn't. It takes place in London and we don't do British accents. I was like I can do a British accent. Nobody asked me to do one. So don't blame me. I just work here.
Alicyn
Devin has a question. Do you have any advice? Heat Devin would like to cosplay but it's very self conscious from being bullied. Do you have any wisdom
Olivia Hack
Devin, the best thing about cosplay is how much love you're going to get. Don't be self conscious. In the cosplay community in the cosplay world and in the con world. It's very it's very embracing. And you don't have to make your own costume. A lot of cosplayers do, but a lot of cosplayers don't, and you won't be judged for that or anything. It's all about going there with with a happy spirit.
So, if you go and you show up in your cosplay, and it's your favorite character that will come through, and people will ask to take pictures with you, or whatever, and you'll just feel good. And I promise you at some point, no matter what you cosplay, someone will see what a con and be like nice cosplay and being at a convention is your chance to not get bullied, and to feel that love and feel the most like yourself and celebrate things that you love. And everyone's there to celebrate their weird little corner of the world where they feel good. And so don't be afraid, feel excited.
And I think sometimes when we feel nervous, it's important to take the word nervous out of it and replace it with the word excited. So sometimes, so just feel excited about crosspoint Don't be nervous, feel excited. It's a whole new world for you. And I promise once you start and once you go to your first con, you'll have a new addiction and you'll want to go on Time
Alicyn
And we want to see pics guys.
Olivia Hack
Yes.
Alicyn
Oh Olivia it's been so great chatting with you.
Olivia Hack
Great chatting with you! Thank you for having me.
Alicyn
And guys make sure that you check out Olivia's signing on Saturday it's going to be on Streamly.
Olivia Hack
It's on Streamly and there's a link in my bio
Alicyn
And hopefully if there are only fans when that gets reactivated
Olivia Hack
Maybe it'll be there maybe it won't be we don't know.
Alicyn
But um, thank you guys so much. It's been so lovely. And yeah, well tune in next we have voice actress Kaitlyn Robrock, who is the voice of Minnie Mouse. Oh, yeah, so we'll chat with her. So thank you guys. I appreciate you tuning in live and we'll see you next week.
Olivia Hack
Thank you! Bye.
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