Episode 14 - Build systems that get out users way

In today’s conversation, Zach shares what his inspiration for building Foreplay was, what he's learned scaling Foreplay, and how he thinks about helping creative people + eCommerce marketers get value out of products.

This is a very fun talk, Zach is incredibly thoughtful, you're going to learn a lot!

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