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Acquiring Minds

Will Smithacquiringminds.co
Buying a business is an amazing path for many successful entrepreneurs. Learn how to buy a business from the entrepreneurs who have already done it. 2x per week: stories, insights, & valuable advice about acquisition entrepreneurship. Hosted by Will Smith, who is on his own path to acquire a business. Also on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AcquiringMinds Sign up for episode summaries at: https://acquiringminds.co
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Skip the SBA: Buying a $4m Biz with a Conventional Loan

Ben Bryer worked with a financial backer to find & buy a 65-year-old niche manufacturing business without an SBA loan. Topics in Ben’s interview: Spending $150K and 18 months on dead deal The emotional toll of a failed deal Freelancing to partially fund his search Buying a pin gage manufacturer What attracted Ben to the business Choosing a conventional loan over SBA loan Building relationships with lending partners Tech debt as a liability The benefits of having long-term employees Importanc...

Nov 16, 20231 hr 16 min

Doing It His Way: First-Timer Buys 2 at Once

Mike Okhravi left a cushy tech career to buy a towing business & a flooring business — and within 30 days of each other. Topics in Mike’s interview: Why he passed on the Search Fund Accelerator His philosophy on taking more risk by moving fast Signs of a motivated seller Buying a 4-person garage flooring business Surprises after acquiring the business Why profit dips post-acquisition Discarding the “searcher rules” What he loves about the towing business Operating 2 businesses at once (inclu...

Nov 13, 20231 hr 35 min

The Upside & Downside of Search, from a 20-Year Veteran

A fireside chat with veteran searcher & investor Kent Weaver recorded at the Self-Funded Search Conference in Dallas. Topics in Kent's interview: Kent's history: his search & how he evolved into an investor in searchers How the first 2 or 3 years post-acquisition are different in a self-funded search vs. a traditional search fund How traditional search feels different today vs. its early days What is a "3am business"? The power of choosing a quality industry to buy a business in The powe...

Nov 09, 202351 min

Passion, Meet EBITDA: The Joy of Buying an Art Gallery

Sean Moore looked at a handful of businesses, but a fine art gallery with over $1m SDE won the art collector's heart. Topics in Sean’s interview: Pulling $1M out of his 401k to buy an art gallery How his gallery brings in $1M in SDE The ecommerce aspect of the gallery The additional revenue stream of a frame shop Opportunities to improve the gallery website His peer group that supported his search Choosing a passion business over a “boring” one Forming a connection with the seller Using ROBS for...

Nov 06, 20231 hr 40 min

Growing EBITDA from $750k to $2m: Time to Sell?

John Hubbard returns to share how "chasing EBITDA over revenue" has benefited the trailer fabricator he bought in 2021. Topics in John’s interview: Losing largest customer (25% of revenue) Earning $2m EBITDA on $6m revenue vs. $25m revenue Don't chase revenue, chase EBITDA Mentally transitioning from buyer of a business to the seller of it Why he's thinking about selling Selling vs. hiring an operator & holding How difficult finding a good operator is Appreciating how precious it is when you...

Nov 02, 20231 hr 5 min

How to Buy a SaaS Business with an SBA Loan

It CAN be done. Andrew Swiler acquired a SaaS business with $650k SDE using an SBA loan (and while living in Spain). Topics in Andrew’s interview: Why he preferred buying a SaaS business to an ecommerce one Key trait to being a successful acquisition entrepreneur Downside protection in a SaaS business The appeal of the Microsoft ecosystem Deferred revenue (and explaining it to a seller) Buying a SaaS business as a non-technical person How a SaaS business is valued History of Lanteria, the busine...

Oct 30, 20231 hr 39 min

Boom, Bust, Boom: Buying a Whiplash Business

Chandler Reed reflects on buying a project-based business in 2021, seeing sales soar, then crash, then surge again. Topics in Chandler’s interview: His unconventional entrance into the search space Buying a commercial lighting contractor Incentivizing the sole employee to stay on The challenges of managing people The ups and downs of project-based revenue How interest rates affected his deal flow Involvement with Sam Rosati’s boot camp Choosing a business based on desired lifestyle Pros and cons...

Oct 26, 20231 hr 23 min

Partnering with an Operator to Buy a Business

Landon Mance bought a $1.7m tree business alongside a minority partner who's operated the business full-time from Day 1. Topics in Landon’s interview: Crossing paths with a financial criminal Buying a tree service business with his friend as operator Where “follow your passion” falls short Why the business had high margins at acquisition Negotiating with the sellers over Zoom Burning through the capex budget in 90 days The importance of putting everything in the contract His operator’s equity st...

Oct 23, 20231 hr 39 min

How to Survive Going from Hedge Funds to SMB Owner

Neil Finneran had worked in hedge funds & as a CFO when the opportunity to buy a pest control business presented itself. Topics in Neil’s interview: His career pivot from finance to mosquito spraying Buying a business in mid-life The value of a supportive spouse Hiring, firing and incentivizing blue collar employees Importance of retaining customers in a recurring revenue business What he likes about being part of a franchise The view from 6 months of ownership The advantage of knowing how t...

Oct 19, 20231 hr 15 min

A Reward for Widening Search to $300k SDE

A year into his search Jesse Sunquist realized he needed to lower his SDE floor to find a business to buy in his market. Topics in Jesse’s interview: Being motivated by achieving job flexibility Why he initially resisted franchises Buying 2 Mosquito Joe territories What he loves about his franchisor Dealing with customer complaints Managing tricky situations with employees Calculating potential earnings in a territory Change management in a seasonal business Operational improvements he made Buyi...

Oct 16, 20231 hr 24 min

When Buying Small Goes Right (3x Growth)

George Vallone returns to share how he has grown revenue 3x in 2.5 years and laid a foundation for multi-city expansion. Topics in George’s interview: His incentive program to ensure quality from contractors How quality gives him pricing power Sales process for apartment turnover services How geographic expansion could track his existing client relationships Headcount & revenue growth at Nuveldy’s Hiring a VP of operations The power of being in a growing market Building custom tech Expanding...

Oct 12, 202346 min

Buying a $3m Candle Manufacturer That Had No Books

Chad Hildebrant knew the best deals have hair on them. The trick is finding the right hair, turning red flags green. Topics in Chad’s interview: Buying a business that was not financeable Getting a 60% seller note Reconstructing 3 years of financial records Deal fatigue during negotiations Burning himself out in the first quarter post-transition 3 explanations for chaos in a business Comparing management to parenting The 3 types of candle makers How he generates new sales The importance of havin...

Oct 09, 20231 hr 43 min

Buying $1m+ Ice Cream Shops to Expand Nationally

Shawn Allard didn't want a food business, but an ice cream shop with good margins & a local following changed his mind. Topics in Shawn’s interview: Realizing he’s not a zero-to-one guy More reps = more reward Getting brokers to take him seriously at age 26 Why he was comfortable “buying small” Buying a local ice cream business Horror stories of food and beverage Keeping his W-2 after buying the business His vision to open more locations The value of brand and reputation Learning the busines...

Oct 05, 20231 hr 27 min

Buy and 3x a Project-Based Business in Just 2 Years

In 2021, Johannes Hock bought an artificial turf installer business doing $5m. It's on track to exceed $15m in 2023. Topics in Johannes’s interview: Comparing opportunities in private equity vs search Sources of deal flow beyond BizBuySell Mapping multiples to months for better perspective Acquiring an artificial turf company The luxury of finding a business with a GM How to value and finance a fast-growing business Tracking data from day one of ownership How weather affects his cash flow Unexpe...

Oct 02, 20231 hr 39 min

How to Buy the Business Where You Work

Corey Veverka acquired the business where he had worked for years, mitigating his risk & removing the need for a search. Topics in Corey’s interview: Corey bought a business without doing a search Accepting that buying a $5m business can be "normal" How Corey felt about buying a business for millions of dollars Educating the owner about SBA loans Convincing his wife & partner to do the deal Learning to think like an owner (increasing his financial goals) How Corey's risk was mitigated by...

Sep 28, 20231 hr 4 min

The $295m Search Fund Exit

Sandy Paige struggled to raise a search fund as a mid-career executive, then grew EBITDA by 7x and exited for 9 figures. Topics in Sandy’s interview: Delaying search due to timing Hurdles he overcame to raise funds Why he chose traditional search How he got a good deal on purchase price Renting space to animal research labs Importance of hiring the right senior team Similarities between his company and WeWork Terrifying risks with the real estate dynamics Advice for searchers over 40 Selling to ...

Sep 25, 20231 hr 31 min

Hiring a General Manager & Buying Business #2

Shane Ehrsam & Brandon Adams return to discuss hiring a GM, buying business #2, the rewards of SMB life & managing envy. Topics in Shane’s interview: Most professionally rewarding year of his life Gratification of making a positive impact on your employees Introducing new benefits for employees: 401k, health insurance, bonuses Growing revenue even after COVID demand recedes Not a “searcher-friendly” business Reality of bumpy revenue in retail Owning a business bought as a stock sale rath...

Sep 21, 20231 hr 11 min

Leaving a Big Salary in DC for Small Business in Wyoming

Eric Hayes was an accomplished executive in the DC area with 5 kids when he decided to buy a business in Laramie, WY. Topics in Eric’s interview: Walking away from a C-level career to buy a small business Difficulty raising equity How “smiling and dialing” investors paid off Willingness to take “key man risk” Negotiating a premium for his operations experience The business of restoring native ecosystems Costs to serve customers across the Mountain West Learning to communicate with his foremen Un...

Sep 18, 20231 hr 34 min

Seller's View of a Searcher Buying His Business

Peter Wild fielded offers to buy his business for years but sold only after being introduced to the searcher community. Topics in Peter & Carlos’ interview: The psychology of a seller Recognizing the business as “searcher friendly” Finding the right individual to buy the business History of the organic tree health industry Why this sale was a “reverse search fund” Upgrading to Salesforce from a 40-year-old custom database Upgrading to digital contracts from paper Why he wouldn’t sell to a st...

Sep 14, 20231 hr 29 min

Buying a 45-Year-Old Industry Pioneer

After a successful military career, Don Gourley saw buying a business as the best means to "lead a unit" as a civilian. Topics in Don’s interview: Having a “plan Z” as a searcher Importance of being crystal clear about what you want to buy His rigorous approach to a geographic search How to recruit & manage 10+ interns Cultivating brokers About Boston Tree Preservation Digital transformation — is it actually that valuable? How to take over from a founder-visionary Why buying a business is su...

Sep 11, 20231 hr 24 min

Buy a Franchise Portfolio: How to Choose a Brand

AJ Wasserstein, Peter Mistretta & Mike Horowitz distill the selection of a franchise brand into 10 essential criteria. Topics in today’s interview with A.J., Michael, and Peter: Why you should (and should not) buy into a franchise system Likelihood of becoming a billionaire, centi-millionaire, or deca-millionaire by acquiring franchise businesses The importance of defining what success looks like to you “Blind” evaluation of a franchise system How to evaluate a brand & system How to eval...

Sep 07, 20231 hr 43 min

Rocky Transition: How to Survive, Then Thrive

Collapsing sales, unhelpful sellers, and a GM who quit. But 1 year later, Chris Jones is contemplating acquisition #2. Topics in Chris’s interview: Buying a foundation repair business Finding discrepancies in QuickBooks His chaotic transition to CEO The GM leaving to start a competing company A dispute over money the seller owed Burning through cash the first winter Restructuring roles in the business Improvements in sales numbers Possibly acquiring a second business Optimism about the future of...

Sep 05, 20231 hr 31 min

First-Time Buyer Recipe for Success: Action & Small Steps

Connor Pera shares how taking incremental steps led to buying his first business much sooner than expected. Topics in Connor’s interview: Trade-offs of a part-time search Importance of taking action Competition in the web-to-print industry Pros and cons of an SBA loan The appeal of managing people His mistake of not accounting for working capital adjustments Feeling anxious before closing Transitioning to ownership and fatherhood at the same time The importance of knowing oneself The value of hi...

Aug 31, 20231 hr 10 min

Unlocking Growth in a 40-Year-Old Business

Josh Medow brought a mindset to his search that he would reshape whatever business he bought into a high-growth company. Topics in Josh’s interview: Calling over 1,000 business owners during search Buying a business with no money down How EOS transformed his business His 10-20 year outlook Comparing his military experience with business leadership Laser focusing on one target market Building their own SaaS tool for their customers His most transformational leadership hire What matters to him mor...

Aug 28, 20231 hr 26 min

From Startup Founder to Buying a Small Business

Tim Ericson brings lessons from 13 years as a startup founder to the $4m printer rental company he recently bought. Topics in Tim’s interview: His experience in a VC-backed startup Searching for a remote-friendly business Using his sales skills to find a business Buying Short-Term Copier The types of customers they serve Comfort running a remotely-managed, multi-city business His vision to double the business Installing an operations manager Boring is the new sexy Investing in other searchers’ d...

Aug 24, 20231 hr 23 min

Buying a Small Business to Build for Decades

August Felker did a search fund, then later a self-funded search so he could own & build his business for years to come. Topics in August’s interview: Buying a business without an MBA How cold calling led to his first deal Buying an “elevator asset business” Early lessons in leadership What he loved about traditional search The resiliency of the insurance industry The normalcy of 3-year earnouts Self-funding his second deal His vision for building a brand The niche of working with searchers ...

Aug 21, 20231 hr 15 min

Holdco Entrepreneurs: A Peek Behind the Curtain

HoldCoConf co-founder Kelcey Lehrich shares key findings from a survey of 100+ holdco operators about their businesses. Topics in Kelcey’s interview: How HoldCoConf started Why holdcos are so popular Arguments against holdcos The “everything tastes like chicken” layer of business Surprising survey results What becomes possible at $50M in revenue Hiring leadership in holdcos Debating centralized vs decentralized models Use of global hiring Concerns about a recession References and how to contact ...

Aug 17, 202341 min

A Non-Financial Reason to Buy a Business

Nick Akers had a vision for supportive, employee-first leadership. Buying a business enables him to realize this vision. Topics in Nick’s interview: His background as an inventor How the TV show Succession mirrors real life Why he chose Swiss search accelerator Novastone What motivates him more than money His focus on building a positive company culture The MSP industry and its appeal for searchers His plan for bolt-ons in the MSP industry The importance of cash flow and working capital His firs...

Aug 14, 20231 hr 18 min

Postmortem of a Broken Deal

Nick Wheeler reflects on investing countless hours to buy a beautiful business, only to have the seller kill the deal. Topics in Nick’s interview: Finding a commercial landscaping business Winning the sellers’ trust How he interpreted early red flags Lessons learned about due diligence Conflict with sellers over working capital Why the deal fell apart The financial cost of the broken deal The emotional cost of the broken deal How brokers can help (or hurt) your deal What Nick is most grateful fo...

Aug 10, 202354 min

The Joys & Pain of Owning a $10m City Bus Business

George Goates bought a small shuttle business that he's grown 4x in 8 years, partly by running buses for municipalities. Topics in George’s interview: Buying a transport/bussing company Pivoting into operating city buses Importance of relationships in securing contracts Impact of Covid Government corruption in urban transit Promotion opportunities for his employees Nasty cost of doing business in bussing: frivolous lawsuits Potential for inorganic growth through acquisitions Different niches wit...

Aug 07, 20231 hr 21 min
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