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Julia Zemiro (Rockwiz)
Rob “Millsy” Mills (Wicked)  (You Little Ripper Podcast)
Lewis Hobba (The Australian Billy Joel Experience)
Dan Ilic (The Australian Jon Lovitz Experience)

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the Bertha foundation. Good evening, Louis. Good evening, Daniel. How are you? Oh, man, I'm okay. You know, it's um, you know, I didn't wanna bring it up, but I can't not bring it up. It's day 69 of lockdown in Sydney. 69.Lewis Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  0:17  
All right. Yeah. And you can eat out for two, but not three, because that's a breach of the COVID condition.

Dan Ilic  0:24  
Yeah, that is true. Hey, I'm pretty excited about this show, because we've got a couple of quite a few great guests. But also, we might even hear from you and Billy Joel, a little bit later on. That's exciting. Sure,

Lewis Hobba  0:37  
yeah. Look, listeners of the podcast of the last month would have had that one of my many lockdown crises was buying keyboard, a piano for children. And let me say this Dad, I can you imagine a world in which an adult who decided to learn piano would quit after a short time? Is that a thing you could imagine would only end up doing it for a week. Obviously, that's not what happened to me. I've been very diligently practising every day, but unless a man unless a man may have just played for like three days and then quit.

Dan Ilic  1:06  
We can't wait to hear you play Billy Joel's Vienna at the end of the show. So stick around for that. Please don't. Please don't Oh, you could just skip the end. It's a podcast. by recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.

Unknown Speaker  1:21  
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Dan Ilic  1:34  
Tonight Joe Rogan is diagnosed with a Delta variant and COVID-19 his next podcast will offer the virus some advice on how to become the alpha and Australia Post. We'll suspend parcel pickups for four days due to having 500 staff self isolate. The pause in the service is said to cost the company as much as several Cartier watches and trade Kelly is reportedly not upset that he's receiving unsolicited phone calls from 1000s of people he texted on behalf of Clive Palmer. He's upset that those people are using 5g phones. It's the third of September 2021. And it's the 69th day of lockdown. Nice. This is a rational fear, irrational

thing Hello, welcome to rational fear. I'm your host former Joe Rogan experience Dan Ilic. Let's meet our female guests for tonight. Our first guest was one of the very first people to come watch a rational fi live at the FBI social back in 2012. Since then, he's gone on to be one of the most successful musical theatre performers this country's ever seen. It's Rob Mills, he Mills thanks so much for having me on the 16th day of Sydney's lockdown it's good to be here.

Lewis Hobba  2:54  
I love the way that intro daddy implied that somehow meals he coming to our podcast is what spurred his success.

Dan Ilic  3:01  
Well, that was my next question is music How did watching irrational fear all those years ago inspire you to become so successful?

Unknown Speaker  3:09  
Was the what not to do? I think I loved it. I've loved it from day one. I'm so glad that it's still going to show because I think it's it's so it's so fun and reverent and, and very thought provoking. So congratulations to you guys.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
The way you say that you're talking about Yeah, I feel like you're talking about irrational fear. Like you're hoping to book us into an old person's home so you know it's great.

Unknown Speaker  3:34  
I mean, if they'll have you allowed anyone in at the moment my dad said that Dan he his son, the gates locked in the in the zone the gates are locked at

Dan Ilic  3:44  
the moment. And she's done more home delivery to celebrities houses than a doordash worker in double Bay. It's the Rockaways herself is Julie's hero

Unknown Speaker  3:53  
Hello everyone. Oh exciting. It's like we're at each other's houses I'm beside myself.

Dan Ilic  4:00  
We're gonna talk about this later on. This is what we do for self care now we just you know, get our friends on the podcast Yeah. But Julia you're more than a friend you're a you're a Patreon member of the show you're a paid up supporter,

Julia Zemiro  4:12  
I have a Patreon I you know what I didn't even know what a Patreon was had to look it up I didn't quite do but they did they get it wrong as a patron. I don't understand. I've got a couple of patrons. I've got indigenous x and I've got bread Goldstein's film to be buried with and you Dan, because I love you and I also got irrational fear out Louis and your good self came to the Adelaide cabaret festival a couple of years ago bits rose. We wanted more politics in cabaret, because I don't know. It seems like a really good place to have politics and cabaret. Not just songs about you know who you're not in love with anymore. And you were amazing. It was so good. You just so fulfilled the brief. Thank you.

Lewis Hobba  4:52  
I do remember Julia. We're about 30 seconds into our show after our short deadline cabaret festival. One there was a guy in the back In the room, and he stood up, and he flicked a feather bow around his neck. And he said, That's not a cabaret. And then he laughed. And it was one of the greatest moments of my life. I love controversy. It's one of the top two storm outs we've had an irrational fear shows in its history was the first one. It was splendour in the grass. We were doing a show. And it was like day two and a half. And everyone obviously is just has been on whatever it is for so long. I people actually come to the tent splendour in the grass to like chill for a moment. And we started doing jokes about politics. And someone literally just stood up in the crowd in the middle screamed at us. Oh, that's good.

Dan Ilic  5:46  
That's excellent. I totally forgot about that. And, of course, our last few motors Louis harbour. Well that Louis. Sorry, I skipped my intro a little later on. We're gonna be talking to Lee and man show who's going to be starting her own political party so she can run for the Senate. But will she get enough people to register? That's the big question. But first here is a message from our sponsor this week, Harvey

Unknown Speaker  6:09  
Norman is giving $6 million dollars of job keep her cash by Kadena huge huge, huge public pressure as all my credibility went out the door during a pandemic our profits increased by half a billion dollars selling furniture electrical and bedding $13 billion worth Not to mention $22 million dollars in free job keep no strings attached. But we're kidding. Oh 27% of it. Wow, that $6 million $6 million that the government can spend on car parks or sporting sheds and swing electrodes in the hope that the Australian public will lose interest in the hobby normally, speaking of interest, we've kept $16 million interest free. Australia has been telling me to go Harvey go Harvey go fuck myself. And that's what I've done just a little bit.

Dan Ilic  7:06  
My instruction was we need a few more cuttings in that sketch, and that will really sell early. What's the limit that you can have in escape? It depends on how many Patreon supporters we got. So we had a few more this way to come in so we could afford a few more cuttings. This week's first few coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to alarmist climate activism? Yes, there are a few there are a few MPs in the Liberal Party who decide that apparently, you know, climate change and get up and extinction rebellion, really robbing children of hope when it comes to climate change. And the solution to that is more school chaplains. See mungus Is this the solution? Julia?

Unknown Speaker  7:53  
Andrew, I think you're the one robbing the young people of Hope you're your party. Now. Look, I looked up Andrew Wallace and him and I both theories. And we're about a year apart. We're about the year apart. I say this because he talks of growing up in the 70s and 80s as I did with the threat of nuclear annihilation, so he knows exactly what he's talking about. And I can't just say that I think the thing that the thing with the threat of nuclear annihilation, he was still a button that someone had to press that you could close a door and you could lock it. Yeah. Climate change you can't get away from it's literally right there. So I think it's a bit different. I don't think it's the same. And rebirth in Aries for you. You know, he's always a little impulsive. He might be on the cusp. She might be in your Taurus. Anyway. But no, I think chaplains won't be helping what have happened to social workers. What about him? The good counsellors could bring a school counsellor in to chat to kids. It's not

Lewis Hobba  8:50  
Yeah, it's wild. I like did you guys have school chaplains? Now I went to a normal school.

Dan Ilic  8:56  
I went to a Catholic school. So we had we had brothers, priests, nuns, Jesus, you know, where the whole thing you know,

Rob "Millsy" Mill  9:02  
went to public school Louis, and we didn't have anything we had. Who was who was often my mom. So like, Oh, that's what you get into public school. Yet someone's mom growing up, right?

Lewis Hobba  9:15  
They should raise funds for more mums, just

Unknown Speaker  9:19  
the support. There's a lot of people doing that in the pandemic, right. There's a lot of people locked down and just making babies that's only doing

Lewis Hobba  9:25  
well by my partner's obstetricians. She's been delivering the baby boom. So she's been. She's never been busier. What a social what a social service. Jeez, that's extraordinary. Hi, look, we're all doing good whack Julia. We're all we're all doing important stuff. Well, maybe some more than others. But

Dan Ilic  9:42  
I'm just pleased to hear that there's going to be another breed of baby boomers coming through to lock me out of the property market.

Unknown Speaker  9:50  
I think Andrew Wallace needs to come down. I went to the climate change March, the kids did in the domain. They were extraordinary. They were there. I remember making little videos saying, you know, you can't be afraid of the word activism. You know, we're out there, you're allowed to get out and have a voice. You're allowed to join your lab to listen People to People talk. This is just such a scam. It really made me cross. When I read this, I picked up the newspaper and I throw it across the other side of the room.

Dan Ilic  10:19  
know, it's interesting the comparison he makes to nuclear Armageddon, but we're actually facing as you said, we are facing Armageddon moment. And when it comes to kind of the global warming in terms of atomic bonds worth of energy, the sea is absorbing an atomic bomb words of energy, like a Hiroshima bomb, word of energy every second, that's the ocean. The ocean is dissolving that energy. So we're actually we're actually it's it's happening. It's just happening very slowly.

Unknown Speaker  10:48  
Excellent stat.

Unknown Speaker  10:50  
If that's if that's a real that's an excellent stat. I'm like, that's a good stat mainland. Someone made it. I made it, like put it out there. Yeah, you got you got it. You got it.

Lewis Hobba  10:59  
And that's why kids are scared. You know, and I think that there's nothing better to do when there's a Hiroshima bomb per day than just have a little pray. Have a little pray and just pray.

Dan Ilic  11:12  
What a great slugger to have a little prior. Right all the way every time. It's the plan.

Lewis Hobba  11:19  
I think we need to get a gas plant in every school. I feel like that, you know? Yeah, every school gets a gas plant. And then the kids can just look at it and know that they will die, but they'll have a very brief moment of employment. get kids to stop squaring off Rakoff. Miss, you know, yes. Come on. We did have a chaplain at our school, and I was not religious. My parents were so anti religious, they wouldn't let me sit in any religious classes throughout my entire education. So they pulled me out of all classes, the shovel that we had gone to a school down the south coast well in Shillong in Victoria. And so everyone there was a surfer and our chaplain was a mad surfer. So I reckon he actually like, though I if there's if I can put my hand up for one chaplain, and one chaplain only was the one at our school, who I reckon would be the first guy on the picket line, like out on the in the domain in the protests just being like you putting her rashtra we're in one of our oceans. I want to go surfing, unless the surf gets better for it, so

Dan Ilic  12:22  
he might be for it. There was also another cool surfer who, who could surf the waves of the Dead Sea. His name is Jesus. He could walk on water, he didn't need a surfboard. He was

Lewis Hobba  12:35  
hanging 10 commandments baby.

Dan Ilic  12:41  
Like, so I feel like sometimes these Christian groups speak on behalf of Christians, regardless of whether actual Christians believe them or not like the Australian Christian lobby came out last week, to say that to Colin supporters to not fear death, and instead push the state governments to end the COVID-19 lockdowns like this is what the ACL said like this is the same people who basically put the country through enormous pain but to have a marriage plebiscite. Okay, marriage privacy. It's the incredible hypocrisy of that anyway, I, I thought I would resurrect no pun intended, an old group that I'm the executive director of to send a message. On behalf of all of those people. I represent a message from the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby. Today, I'm Dan Ilic, the executive director of the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby. And I just want to say that as the group that represents the largest sector of Christians in Australia, lapsed Catholics, we think the only way to give hope to children for their future is to take meaningful action on climate change. And statistically The only thing that will harm children more than climate change is an exponential increase of chaplains in schools. So please, when it comes to emissions, net zero by 2030 and when it comes to chaplains in schools, gross zero by 2021. spoken and authorised by Dan Ilic for the Australian lapsed Catholic lobby camera. All right this week second fear Craig Kelly has been sending text messages to pretty much everyone in the entire country. I don't know if you've seen this people 1000s of people will ever Australia's been getting this text message. You can never trust the liberals labour or greens again. Authorised by Craig Kelly united Australia party click on this link to follow I know whatever what happens you click on that link Have you any of you received this text message yet? Fear mongers lawyers, you've

Unknown Speaker  14:30  
got it? Yeah. Can I quickly jump in Louis. I know you've got this but my candidate really liked Tom and I'd like I've been I've been booty called by Craig Kelly. And this is very light tones.

Dan Ilic  14:46  
I mean, it's fair to say your booty call days are over there behind you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. I'm in a very committed relationship. Yeah. Is there a politician out there that you would you know exactly. Probably not Yeah, you probably would never send it to me but Penny Wong does it for me.

Unknown Speaker  15:05  
I definitely get received one from her no problem I turn except if she booty called me I would just want to sit quietly on a couch somewhere and just nurse a little glass of rose a and

Lewis Hobba  15:16  
I feel like you wanted a skald you go tell me I've done something wrong.

Dan Ilic  15:24  
That's funny. Yeah, I

Lewis Hobba  15:25  
got mine. I got my butt. Obviously. I got mine because I sign up to all of Craig Kelly's email list. I I love it. I love to hear

Dan Ilic  15:34  
your news. urina you and his telegram group to to download to get some in in hydroxychloroquine of course. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  15:41  
yeah. I'm on the I'm on the waitlist for ivermectin. Absolutely. I'm the first through the door. You know if you can take ketamine you can take ivermectin. I've been training but I've been training for horse level drugs my whole adult life.

Dan Ilic  15:55  
Now, here's the thing, apparently, you know, everyone's up in arms about this. And they're they're taking it to achma acuras had hundreds and 1000s of complaints about this text message. But apparently, political parties and charity groups are exempt from the Do Not Call register and are allowed by law to send it to you. It's under the Act called the spam act of 2003. The spam act of 2008 basically legitimises it we've got we've got on the Facebook who's deserves better is watching us on Facebook right now the Craig Kelly's electorate hello yes

Unknown Speaker  16:29  
well done. I came into Hughes you doing very well. Yeah, I am. I got mine on a Saturday and I was like, come on, mate. That's a bit early anyway, I just I did reply get fat just in case he got it.

Dan Ilic  16:40  
So this this kind of story is moved a little further down the line. So Ben Eltham who is a journalist at the new daily he said on Twitter Look, here is Craig Kelly's mobile number. This is the number send him a text if you like. And Warren mundane SPS board member put out a tweet rage fighting him saying you are a C word what a disgraceful human being you are. Now when I read the article, that was Cray that Lauren Monday was going to take a break off Twitter for calling a journalist to see what my immediate reaction was, well, you know, journalists can base a words I'm sure. I might as well go and have a look at this story. And when I saw the story, I was like, no, no. Ben Eltham is a national hero. That's fine.

Unknown Speaker  17:27  
I wish I'd gotten found and I would definitely have sent him a text. But yeah, that is quite. I mean, do people think sometimes before they tweet, I mean, that's quite something to have said that. I mean, did he not think he's on a board?

Dan Ilic  17:43  
It was a it was a wild tweet, like totally lashed out. Changing your mobile number is easy these days. My dealer does it all the time.

Lewis Hobba  17:52  
I'm gonna get a new message from Craig Kelly just being like guys new number save this one is Craig. Some crackers shit coming through this. I got I've got heidrich I try to crash the car. Yeah, make sure you get your orders in before nine. The new curfew is doing a real hard one for

Unknown Speaker  18:11  
somebody. Okay, peace, human rights in the circumstance that appears to be the opposition party, Labour Party, the National the greens, your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  18:24  
Alright, this week's third here, like we said at the beginning of the show, you know it's day 69 lockdown in Sydney. You know it's or day blend tea blouson of lockdown in Melbourne. I can't I can't remember. This kind of stuff is taking its toll on everyone and Rob Mills emails. You are in Victoria,

Unknown Speaker  18:43  
Victoria, and Victoria now. We've been almost a whole year in lockdown. So

Dan Ilic  18:50  
how are you feeling mentally? How's it all going? What would you have some tips for us to deal with lockdown. This is time round down.

Unknown Speaker  18:57  
I have some tips. I saw this. On the internet the other day, it was an isolation wellbeing checklist. So I'll just run through them. It's pretty it's actually really simple. Number one, shower very important to medication if you need it. Three drink water. For a clean one thing or one space in your house.

Dan Ilic  19:16  
I have to say that that is a great tip. I cleaned up my entire office this afternoon and I was ready to go. I was like you know I'm pumped to write something now made me feel really good.

Unknown Speaker  19:27  
Clean space, clean mind. Next 10 something like 10 to something growing or living to have a pot plant that you can look after. Be mindfully present to maybe it's a song or a sound, a sensory feeling something that you see or, or spiritual practice. Reach out to a human outside your home. Do one thing to get your heart rate up. Do one thing that you'll be glad you did later. Do one thing just because you want to and get in at least one good laugh. I this thing is really it was like the simplest, most beautiful checklists. You are And everyone loves a list who doesn't love love ticking off the list?

Unknown Speaker  20:03  
Can I add you know what I'm missing? I'm missing swimming in the ocean. Well, you know what, go with me. If you have a really cold shower for about a minute, and I mean you, you you Yelp and you'll have a lot of that going on but I felt amazing this morning after a minute under the cold shower. Man who put a spring in my step. I felt like I've gone for that quick, deep.

Unknown Speaker  20:25  
Yeah, it is the greatest cold showers in the morning hot showers at night.

Dan Ilic  20:29  
Every time I imagine mosey in the shower, I have to go have a cold shower. That's kind of my therapy

Unknown Speaker  20:38  
I've been doing I've got regular I've got regular check ins with different friends at different times during the week we just check in go Hey, guy, we have a zoom for half an hour. And so we don't talk about COVID all the time. We usually try and watch a film or something and then debrief so we just talk about the exciting show or film.

Dan Ilic  20:56  
I've got a surprise for you Julia right now we're gonna settle in and watch Robin Hood's from Disney the animated feature. So kick back, relax. What were these crazy kids get up to enjoy? Is it the moment Russell Crowe member we know the animated one the good one did you do?

Lewis Hobba  21:17  
Something involving Russell Crowe was not the best of anything. Not in my present. Come on my

Dan Ilic  21:22  
I was up early this morning at 4am. And I said I said on Twitter, I should go to bed or Russell Crowe replied No stay up and work. So I'm gonna stay up and work. All right now it's not for Hang on a sec. Right around the country. They're locked down freedom fighters being arrested by the cops in a crackdown to stop the kind of protests that we've seen kind of spring up. Occasionally over the last few weeks. There's a bit of a new trend to as these freedom fighters being arrested by the cops, they like to livestream their arrests because I don't know maybe some kind of self assurance thing that they're not alone, I guess. Anyway, here's a great one from this week. This is from Monica Smith, who is a major figure in the conspiracy theory lockdown world in Victoria. She runs reignite democracy Australia. This is her getting arrested and her live stream. Here it is.

Unknown Speaker  22:15  
I've just been pulled over by the cops. Probably because I'm outside of my five K's but um, hang on a sec. She's outside of the five K's. Do you know why she's not scared? Because she wants to audition for survivor. She is absolutely bald. Bald and you should watch that audition type. It's pretty bad. No wonder she didn't get in.

Dan Ilic  22:35  
Is that legit? Is that legit?

Unknown Speaker  22:37  
Oh, yeah, it's there. And it is really quite a terrible audition. I mean, I wish I had I could have gotten my hands on her and gone mate. Come on. Look up presents, buddy. Relax. Get in there. And she keeps saying I think I'd be good contestant maybe I wouldn't maybe I wouldn't if I got to the end. Well, then I deserved it. I mean, she makes no sense whatsoever. So yeah, but she was she was gonna try and get into survivor. She says she would have had a very good social game.

Lewis Hobba  23:01  
Oh, now she's an invented her own version, which is just COVID so she just walks around in ignoring all the roles and buying it off life.

Unknown Speaker  23:09  
Yeah, just fine. And so I just thought I'd put the live stream on just in case. That was stupid. Oh, hang on a sec. Hang on. Hang on a sec. I'll see you believe in seatbelts beat up believe in a jab. Okay. She's not even moving. Okay, she gets

Unknown Speaker  23:34  
out. moment we need to have a chat to you. That's our motto. informant. So I need to place you under arrest for that. Okay. At the moment you're under arrest for incitement? You guys been following me in my reporting? centre.

Unknown Speaker  23:50  
Hang on a sec. Look at that lower jaw that real? Oh my god. Mom,

Unknown Speaker  23:58  
me What you doing?

Dan Ilic  24:01  
The question have you guys been following me? Yeah, they're the police and they're pulled you over to arrest you for incitement? Of course. They are. Yes. They have been following you like how they know everything about you put everything up on Facebook.

Unknown Speaker  24:15  
Yeah. Isn't it possible that she's actually they'd like, yeah, we'd be following the live stream. We love it. We just want to get your autograph because

Lewis Hobba  24:23  
we really think you should have been on survivor hard.

Unknown Speaker  24:26  
She's auditioning for something again, that's for sure she has she moved back just to get little a camera readjust as well so that you understand that comment.

Unknown Speaker  24:37  
Please share this video as much as possible. Monica Smith.

Lewis Hobba  24:43  
Hang on a sec. I guess the haggis is sort of Monica Smith like just using yourself in the third person is using a lot the media

Unknown Speaker  24:52  
they will know Marty Smith. on her website she describes herself as a self Describe journalist.

Dan Ilic  25:01  
Well, exactly. That's exactly who are a lot of these people describe themselves as self described journalist that says that I am so I am. I am. Anyone with a podcast can become a self described journalist like us. I just said it makes it sound like more of a lunatic. So, yeah, she's self described. So then it gets weird sometimes because you know these protesters, they start to kind of make sense in their own kind of way. Here's one from Queensland about the potential truck blockade in the Gulf Coast. But then it turns into something much, much more. Hey guys,

Unknown Speaker  25:42  
just a quick video down the beach. I'm going to make a quick because I keep talking and I run out of time, so

Dan Ilic  25:52  
he's running out of time because he's on tik tok. So there's like a two minute limit that's running out of time. If he just not

Lewis Hobba  25:59  
done that intro, he did save 10 seconds like

Unknown Speaker  26:02  
word economy crosspoint to max Egan, and he went down and had a look, he couldn't see a blockade on the like south of Goldie. But he did say that there was no, I gotta make

Lewis Hobba  26:14  
sure we know who makes that again is friends with Monica Smith. Yeah, he rolled out who max Hagen is.

Dan Ilic  26:22  
Come on max agan auditioned for the greatest alien bakeoff, didn't you? Yeah. I'm gonna Google him and see who he

Unknown Speaker  26:30  
got the traffic coming northbound. So it could be there. It might not be it might say on Google Maps, it's saying there is some sort of blockage there. So maybe it is maybe the media is just blocking it all out.

Lewis Hobba  26:41  
Hang on. Hang on a sec. He literally said he went down and looked and it wasn't there. And now he's like, it's definitely not there. I've seen it's not there. But maybe the media is blocking the media can like put up a screen and hide a blockade? Is that what he thinks the media is like an invisibility cloak from Harry Potter.

Unknown Speaker  27:02  
I've just googled max again. He's got great videos such as we can't let them get away with it. And the universe had a bigger plan for me. And is this what the Great Awakening really is? So Max said no. Yeah, Max word.

Unknown Speaker  27:15  
With Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts and stuff like, Can we are we sure we can trust these politicians? Are they just playing both sides?

Unknown Speaker  27:27  
Nothing rather than Pauline Hanson are on the same side. So also, yeah, did I know they technically politicians, but they're not. They're not

Lewis Hobba  27:36  
apologists.

Dan Ilic  27:39  
Just like did Malcolm Roberts and Pauline Hanson he's idea of who our politicians and who, who they shouldn't be trusting. And all of a sudden, it should be. No wonder these people don't know what to think anymore. He or

Unknown Speaker  27:53  
she was the one that told the blockade to move on for people. For the people, you know, and I get it's inconveniencing people, but they were all inconvenience. So you know, I think having the power in our hands was a good idea. But are we really sure we can trust these politicians? I mean, are they just playing us? I mean, Malcolm Roberts, I mean, I really liked them. But the more time goes on the more or less, the less I trust them like, tricky, tricky from in Brisbane, a friend of mine, he's

Dan Ilic  28:23  
Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on, not shaky, not tricky. Mills II remember tricky. Oh, man, I wouldn't put a pass someone named melzi to know someone called tricky, that's for sure.

Unknown Speaker  28:36  
Pauline, and she didn't want to talk about conspiracies since he said is this being as used as a front to bring in a surveillance state? She's I don't wanna talk about conspiracy. So you know, why wouldn't if she knows about it, then why won't Why don't you say anything about it? Because I've heard her in in senate talking about agenda 21 and stuff. So can we trust these people? Are they just playing us? What's going on?

Unknown Speaker  29:01  
Is he doing a bit lucky? Like, I feel like I've seen someone do this about someone like I feel like he's so good at what he's doing right now. But he's legit, right? This guy's

Lewis Hobba  29:12  
if you close your eyes, he sounds like there is a very wonderful comedian who does impressions of these people called Greg Lawson. And the only the only version of this I've actually ever seen is Greg Lawson's version. And I've never really seen the real one and I just need to say if to Greg Lawson or anyone who has a chance to speak to him. Now I realise how good his impression is like, this guy sounds exactly like fucking Greg loss and it's why lead

Dan Ilic  29:36  
dead on that is so that is so perfect. That is Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna do that from now on.

Unknown Speaker  29:42  
I don't trust him at all. And Craig Kelly, he's the one that posted fine that brocade has gone ahead. And if this hasn't gone ahead, can we trust this guy to you know what I mean? I've noticed he's joined up with Clive Palmer. So, you know and bangs on about ivermectin. Yeah, sure. ivermectin. But, but yeah, so

Lewis Hobba  29:59  
I met him. Yeah, I mean we all know it work so move on.

Unknown Speaker  30:02  
But I'll keep you posted about the Truckee blockade. I don't know what's going on and if it's going or not going, but there's definitely no confirmation so yep,

Unknown Speaker  30:10  
hang on a sec. who's who's watching him just to check in on his, his ramblings like he's the trucking blockade update who's going? Who? Lucky we got some eyes and ears on the ground. They're lucky like it's it's taking two minutes now of him rounding disease. Nothing's happening. Okay, besides that, who's yours who's using his

Unknown Speaker  30:33  
irrational fear? What is shotput mean to your talk? Everything. I'm gonna go into Brisbane normally 44 years of age. And after this country logo anzacs did shut up with Scott Morrison. This is a rational fear. Our next

Dan Ilic  30:54  
guest joined us last year to talk about changes to the environment protection Biodiversity Conservation Act. And as part of as part of her role at the Australian Institute. Well, she's had enough of being in a think tank and now she wants to be in a do tank. She's running for the Senate next election in a new party called the local party. The only catch is will they get enough people to be able to register. Leanne Michelle, welcome back to irrational fear.

Unknown Speaker  31:19  
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Julie. It doesn't really matter. Because I'm a self described politician. So say I am so I am. I'm under your election. Yeah, thanks.

Dan Ilic  31:33  
This is a big deal. What's happening right now the federal government is wanting to rush through changes to change the way the laws work. So the parties need not not 500 members, but 1500 members to register for a local party. You're registered. You've got 500 members, but the question is, can you get 1000 more members so you can become a federal party? We just lose Leanne, on that one. I'm back. Back. lands back.

Unknown Speaker  31:58  
Okay, great. Oh, what happened there? I had to wait so long for you that you are dealing with the free folk of Tasmania. And we've got little boxes for like, no,

Dan Ilic  32:13  
I'm sorry. Sorry. We had you on the line for half an hour. We used all of Tasmania's bandwidth during that time. I'm so sorry.

Leanne Minshull  32:20  
No, I'm joking. We are. We've got a blackout, though. But I'm going to pick up on your question. Yeah, that's just gonna plough on. So we did. We made a party, the local party, it's a height as a hybrid. It's a network of independence. That's what I was looking for. So we've got the good things, all the good stuff about being independence, but put it into a party structure. So you've still got the advantages of all of the parliamentary privileges that you get back for having a party. Right. So you

Lewis Hobba  32:48  
like the IGA of politics?

Unknown Speaker  32:50  
Exactly. Where your local grocer, we actually launched just before the state election in in Tasmania, they called a state election four days later, and so we couldn't get registered. So I'm hoping that history won't repeat itself because it is a bit strange going out there and saying, I'm going to run for the Senate. If you're not above the line in the Senate, if you're not a party, it's almost impossible to get elected. And at this election, the sixth seat in Tasmania will be between Jackie Landis' office manager, Eric kuebix. Because he's third on the ticket. And me if I can get myself above the line, so only Tasmanians can help vote Eric out. But everyone in Australia can help them get us above the line by joining the local party. So I can have a really good crack

Dan Ilic  33:36  
is a really interesting way of framing that show there are plenty of people particularly You know, I think you could find 1000 ABC employees who would become members of the local party to get rid of Eric a bit. Well, let's quickly talk about the local party. What is the ethos? What do you stand for?

Unknown Speaker  33:55  
Well, as I said, what we're trying to do is to change part of the structure of party politics. So at the moment, I don't think anyone would argue that it's toxic. It's pretty misogynistic. It's distant. It's very much an insider's club. And I try to make it local again. And we're doing that by having rules of the party like every member gets every elected member gets a conscience vote on every single piece of legislation. So there's no party line to follow. Because I think what we need at the moment are politicians who can speak their mind and vote their conscience, not just follow a Tiguan that someone gives them in the morning

Dan Ilic  34:33  
is a kind of a it says it sounds like a con like a party of independence. Is that is that is it

Unknown Speaker  34:39  
is it is but what holds it together and why we decided to go down this route, rather than just go for independence is that the party system is really entrenched in Australia. And I think we've got to do more than just get a few independents in, although I back getting them in. We actually hope that this starts to change the way that party politics is done, so that it's a killer. To deal with people who want to come and govern and have some overriding principles that hold them together. And the people who are getting this are the young people, it's particularly men, and it's men sort of 55 plus who I've talked with you about this, and they find that they just don't get it. They don't get that we actually have agency over the way that our political system works, and that we can change it. And all we have to do is choose to change it. And the thing that holds the one concept that binds all of the people together, all of the elected representatives, when we get them together, is that they have to hold to citizen juries a year. So you have to make decisions for your community in partnership with them. Not in consultation. Like if I make a decision about what happens in the house. I make it in partnership with my husband. I don't set up a consultation process. Yeah. So that's what we should be doing as politicians and it's what we should be demanding as communities and Australians. You guys were talking about Craig Kelly before, so I clicked on the link because I got the text. Took you the anti Vax stuff. Yeah. What time did you get it? What time did you get it? Ah, like, Yeah, he was pretty cool than me too. Sorry. Yeah, I clicked on it and went through the anti vac stuff. But the actually the important thing about that is because the got the rules have been changed. They've put it through labour and liberal voted for it. And they sort of fast tracked a lot of the normal parliamentary conventions as well. And they're doing it just before an election. Like it just sucks. Like if you really want to change it, change it after the next election. But anyway, one little rule I kept for themselves is if you've already got somebody in Parliament, then you don't need to have 500 members. What exactly Thank you, and that's so you can

Dan Ilic  36:49  
lose memory you can like lose members and still maintain your spot.

Unknown Speaker  36:54  
I don't I don't reckon the Northern Territory country Liberal Party who've got 500 members just quietly. That is such hypocrisy.

Dan Ilic  37:01  
I've never I have no idea that that

Unknown Speaker  37:04  
was a rule. That's just crazy. What that is why Clive Palmer has gone along to Kelly and said, Hey, mate, do you want to be the head of my party? Because he's already in we instantly gives karma party status. Wow. So they didn't change that rule. They left that one in surprisingly and Kara how many is he got? I remember when Cory Bernardi left parliament, although for the liberals and he or whoever he was with, and he started up the Australian Christian lobby, and he was a party and he had no members. And how I know this is because one of my friends stole my iPhone one day and signed me up to the Cory Bernardi fan club.

Dan Ilic  37:43  
Yeah, I joined up to the freedom emails to Leanne and I think they were about I think they published like four emails in a year. They gave up

Unknown Speaker  37:54  
anyway yet. So that's how she did it is. That is crazy. So this is why I think we need more than just a few good independency thing. It's also by the way, I mean, I you know, I am running for the Senate. If I can get the membership numbers in but the senate the part of the house of parties, basically, you can't get in, it's very hard to get in as an independent. So

Unknown Speaker  38:14  
who knows? What How can we help? How can we help you? How can we help Leanne? How can we have Yeah, can

Unknown Speaker  38:19  
we tell everybody to go to the local party dotnet and join up? It's easy. All you have to do is be overwriting have to be registered to vote, and you can't be a member of an existing party. That's it. And I won't even send you four emails a year. And do it or have to be Tasman. Yes. This is the beautiful part. They'll see every person in Australia who would like to help me the throne, Eric a bit at the next day. Come on, it's too good. By just signing up for our membership.

Dan Ilic  38:52  
There's a lot to be said for getting regular folks who aren't professional politicians in the past. Yes. I mean, yes, do Yes. Let's let's remember Ricky Muir. We all made fun of him when he first got him because he was part of the motoring enthusiast party he got in and a quirk of quirk of like, voter preferences. But he was one of the best senators that we ever had in the Australian Parliament. And it was incredibly who's incredibly progressive, thoughtful, and always, he was always on the on the correct side of every judgement in his mind.

Lewis Hobba  39:19  
He was like one of the people who was like, here's my thought, here's my stance, and then people would come to him and go, Hey, here's what were you thinking you'd go? I've heard I've listened to you. And I've changed my mind. And you're like, Where's this is this basic humanity? humanity just wrote on that ticket. Where's the where's the humanity?

Unknown Speaker  39:39  
He but also, you know, he say something like Helen Haynes is a midwife and worked as a nurse. And I mean, it's people who've actually had lives and no real people and understand what it means to suffer and not have enough. And all those guys in suits, they don't get it. They do.

Unknown Speaker  39:59  
Get it everyone I think goes it most people go into parliament wanting to do something good. I think the party structures to people up and I think people stay there too long. I've worked as an advisor before, like 1012 years ago. I've got the best experience now to get to Parliament. I am a publican so there it is Leann

Dan Ilic  40:26  
Landy should die should wait. So Barnaby Joyce goes there so you can get go. What about Leanne's pop? You know when they go What's on the menu? is climate change on the menu? Actually, we've got a menu made up Barnaby. We've got several choices including net zero by 2030. It's delicious. You're lovely. Leanne, thank you so much for joining us. Some people can check out the local party. And and we'll put the link in the show notes as well. So thanks so much for joining us and good luck on your journey.

Lewis Hobba  40:59  
Thank you. I'll get off before it blacks out. No, stay

Dan Ilic  41:02  
with it. Stay. Oh, she's gone. Stay with it. I was gonna say stay with because we got a very special thing to end the programme tonight for weeks. Lewis harbour has been talking up his ability to play Billy Joel's Vienna is a lockdown project. He's been you know, to our you know, it's great to have Mills he and Julia on to music aficionados. And so we've been waiting for weeks to hear Vienna by Billy Joe as played by Louis harbour here on the podcast that's good.

Lewis Hobba  41:32  
Confident that's a confident bit of work right there already. To be beautiful I in all the years I've done irrational fears the first time I've actually had fear is fucking melzi

Unknown Speaker  41:47  
I mean, I look i don't i'm all i'm not missing out. I tell you what Rob will be he picked tonight. I mean, he knew that was a nice so he's in

Dan Ilic  41:57  
touch the keyboard. Without further ado, here is Lewis Hello, lane, Billy Joe's Vienna.

Want to say a big thank you to all of our guests tonight. Rob Mills emails. Julius mirror. Leah menschel for the local party. Big thanks to rode bikes, and our Patreon supporters. Safford chrissa faccin Mary, Robin McLaughlin, Cam Amos, Steven James, the Linda Barrett, Sara raid, Kate golden. Nathaniel say, we had so many new Patreon supporters this week. Big Thank you. It really helps us keep the show going. This is great, Louis. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's a gold medal. I've turned around in my chair. Yeah. Do you guys want to plug anything before we go? Julie do wanna plug anything? I'm not doing anything. Not really. Thanks. Rob Mills emails, you wanna plug anything?

Unknown Speaker  43:28  
I'm not doing anything because I'm in the arts. But I'd like to put by I'd like to plug my girlfriend's podcast is doing about the Paralympics called. Apparently it's really good. And also the other one is the Paralympics. What's the Paralympics? I've cried about million times this fall. It's amazing. It's pretty great.

Lewis Hobba  43:45  
Anything, not just piano lessons. is beautiful. It was it was just a lovely weather when the show was really good.

Dan Ilic  43:55  
Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Goodnight.

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