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Joining us for this week's podcast is Amelia Navascues, who you can see at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival in a couple of weeks time.

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And we have a wide ranging chat with Leader of the Greens, Adam Bandt MP. We talk submarines, safeguard mechanism, and how he works with the climate independants.

I should point out during this NSW Election period, we have asked Chris Minns, and Matt Kean to also join us, but no luck so far on that front. Apparently they're busy.

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This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. It's my favourite time of the week when I hear that music Lewis I don't know about you, but none of our podcast listeners will ever know what that music is. Because it's the music we have on our web streaming video anyway, so thank you.

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It does feel like yeah, we're just about to introduce a BEx ad on blankety blank. So it's a real old school television moment.

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That's right. That's right. And I am ugly David grey. Welcome to irrational fear. We've got two new people on the Patreon this month big thank you to Bruce and Kamini. Incidentally, Bruce and Kamini sounds like an architect firm. I'd love them to build me a presidential library that would be great. Bruce and Kamini, thank you so much for joining us on Patreon. We've got two things Louis, I need to make you aware of in particular because your presence is needed. Brisbane next Sunday, the 26th of March. We've still got a few seats left for that it's going to be fun. And Lewis you will love this and you know me very well I have shot a rap a parody of a bad eight Israel.

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Jesus, Stan,

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you know why? Because it why? Because it must be done. It must be done. It will all be explained live on stage. We're going to talk about

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2023 We're not doing parody rap anymore. I know. Even the Lonely Island isn't doing parody rap anymore. And they were actually good. And

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I know, I know. But I couldn't resist. If anything, it's a rap of a parody of a parody. So does that mean it's like your Icarus? Already? That's fine. It's fine and funny. It's good. We shot it. And it's funny. I'm excited to show everyone in Brisbane. It's gonna be there. You can decide next week and tell me what you think I was really excited to hear your thoughts.

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I don't want to turn this whole intro into this. But when was the last time you listened to a song in the genre of hip hop? That wasn't a parody you had written?

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I can't remember it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. Yeah,

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parody gets genre you know nothing about it makes me deeply. I'm a big

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fan of my own work. Alright, the other thing you need to know is that Melbourne is about half sold. And there's going to be a bit of a surprise on stage you as an audience member will get the chance to win a piece of Victorian politics history. Does that intrigue you Lewis?

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It does. I can't wait to get down Andrew as part of it.

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Well, it's very much along those lines. What if I said the word Chappaquiddick to you? What does that mean? In terms of Victorian niche politics history?

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I'm assuming it's a car accident. I'm hoping it doesn't involve it.

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There isn't a death there is a car accident. Yes, there's something to do with Tim Smith and the word Chappaquiddick and it's gonna be pretty excited reveal on stage so I can't wait to share that with you. Or in Melbourne, April 2 on stage,

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you're giving away the remnants of Tim Smith's career. No one's gonna want it.

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That is so closely we're so close. Oh, you almost got it. I'm recording my irrational fear on Gadigal land in your nation. Sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show. The following

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Welcome to rational fear. I'm your host caliphal Sydney identity Dan Ilic. And this is the show that takes the news and forces upon it a trilateral agreement whether you want it or not. Joining us tonight is how we've got our own trilateral agreement. It's very exciting here. Our first theme manga is about to launch her debut solo show at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. It's called blurrier IRL writer, performer producer podcast host Amelia. Now that skews Welcome to irrational fear.

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Hello, yay. Hi. Thanks for having me. All that stuff people say at the top of pot Ha.

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Are you pumped? Are you pumped for your debut in Melbourne?

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Yeah, pumped. It's good. I like the bulletins that they send to all of the performers because the most recent one that they said was mental health. Make sure you call the hotline if you guys are stressed. Emails, you guys get it?

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Oh, this is your first time doing the Comedy Festival. It's, yeah, yeah. This will make sense in week two,

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and also on the show is Lewis Lewis. Welcome to your podcast. co host irrational fear.

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Thanks, Dan. A pleasure to be here and across everything as per usual, let's talk about all the things that are on this show. Right.

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this week's first fear blackouts in Adelaide are being caused by bats. Of course if you live in South Australia, you already know this by the more colloquial name. The bat out Yes. Last year 89 blackouts in Adelaide were attributed to bats resting on power lines in the wee hours of the morning as bats went to and fro from feeding authorities tried to call a subcontractor to deal with a problem known as Batman, but they didn't have power to get the signal out fear mongers what is going on with Adelaide bats, Amelia?

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Well, I think this is clear that the bats are plotting revenge for a speciesist inflicted discrimination after COVID. That's clearly what's going on here. Let's be real South Australia clearly had some strong opinions during the pandemic, and they're just plotting their revenge. I think that's so interesting. I don't know why I targeted South Australia specifically, but I think they had any particularly different opinions to the rest of the nation.

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Do you think that? Like obviously, I've been I assume you haven't communicated with the bats? I don't want to make any presumptions.

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Personally,

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yeah, you personally, because obviously this the approach you've taken here is that the bats wrongly slighted or taking their revenge. The other alternative is they're just trying for the second time to wipe out

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that's true. My other thought around it was that like it's a lot of bats like to cause the electrical surges, but they also get killed as a result, right. Like they don't survive. So part of me was also thinking like, maybe the bats aren't okay, like know what there's no like, are you okay, day line for the

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I don't know how you do ask because you have you have to sort of do it in like echoes.

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I think it's echolocation right. It's like sonar. Hmm. So maybe if you made a physical sign that said, Are you okay, bats, they could bounce the waves off the physical sign and actually read it like Braille or

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possibly if it is sonar, a great thing that might be able to ask you about if they're okay, is our new submarines. They, I imagine, have some sort of sonar detector being built in South Australia. Yeah, that's right. Maybe that's why in fact, maybe that's why the bats are killing themselves in South Australia. Maybe they know that once they build the submarines that the submarines will be able to pick up on their plan, which is of course to overthrow Australia and eventually the world. wants it so no king goes off. If they need to take us down before the orcas deal goes through.

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A rational fear what is rational fear? In fear, satisfied headlines and giving them a little tickle.

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scams are back in fashion the I triple se scam which has revealed that 14,585 people last year were done out of $664,000 just by clicking on toll notices from from scammers on their phones. Meanwhile, I can confirm that about 331 people have been scammed on Patreon for paying for this podcast which is otherwise free. You know, the scammer knows the scam II do how do we sympathise with these people who are being scammed Amelia?

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Ah, I don't know. I think I have a lot of sympathy for like the victims of any scams because a lot of the times like they're really vulnerable. They're people in their 70s or 80s. Like you think about those romance scammers in particular like they're often like widowed like I think you feel pretty bad like knowing that like imagine if that was your mom right? Like you'd feel pretty bad knowing that you teaching your mom how to use Facebook in good faith all those years ago would like lately to lose In your entire inheritance

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my mom's cheating on my dad

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none of that my mom thinks there's a real problem with immigrants. I don't know where she's getting that information.

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It is crazy. I don't like it is so noticeable the amount I got another I got one today they are getting so specific like it started off as like, you know, it was very broad. You have a fine you haven't paid but now it's like, they're like I got a quite a specific one from my actual phone provider. That was I think they're just like they pick phone providers and send them out you but they just happened to get mine right. And I was like, nearly clicked on it. And I'm like that they're not going to they're not going to send you a hyperlink in your text Lewis like and also this isn't from Vodafone. This is just from a random number. And I'm like I'm relatively across this stuff. And I and there was a moment where I nearly I nearly did. But I have been done once I got caught. I did fall for one email phishing scam and it was the worst moment of my professional life. The

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I mean, was this was this back? Was this back when you were working for Norton Antivirus?

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They promised me an extra couple of inches I couldn't resist. No. It was like one of those. The first time I ever saw one of those. Have you seen this thing about you? Text? I don't know if you've ever gotten one of those gets that one. It's literally that's all it says it's a text message or an email targeted to

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people in the public eye specifically, have you seen this about you?

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Anxious now? I was like, Oh, no.

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What did I say that it's gonna hit me cancel.

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So I clicked on it and and it ended up getting every single person in my contact book. And, and then they and then I had to do like a full apology email to every like, professional people that I hadn't seen in years. It was it just as at the time I was like under 30. And as a person under 30 to have to email a bunch of boomers and go, I was fished on an email scam. Like you might as well retire. You know, I don't know how I recovered from that. First

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of all, you got to do a lot of explaining to those boomers, what phishing and email scam was.

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Okay, it's quite different. Spelling is similar.

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It's a bit like q&a on crack. Moose is a rational fear.

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This week's third fear we're getting new submarines maybe costing us $368 billion. Australia is getting a handful of underwater tubes that can shoot more underwater tubes. $368 billion may sound like a lot of money. But really that's only 368 years of the ABC. That's all that's all it is. That's all that is. nuclear subs. Lewis. What do you think about these subs excited about nucleus? I couldn't be

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more excited. Dan, I look I know. You know, Paul Keating, a lot of naysayers, a lot of cowards. A lot of people who pissed the bed at the side of the Chinese invasion. They're saying no. But me i i know full well that the boys and women, the men and women and who are under the seas are the ones who protect us every day for the great undersea threats that we face. I know that we haven't had a working submarine since Federation. I know we've had a lot of

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didn't act that way.

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Yeah, I you know what, I think this time is gonna be different. I know. There's no reason to believe that. And I know now we've added a little nuclear twist, which I think is an exciting, I can't wait to see how we fucked this up. I think

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it's so interesting. Like, the first steps we're getting there are going to be second hand American submarines. So we're gonna get American submarines that are going to be cleaned up and sent to us. And the head of budget range and the story like the government saying, Oh, it's gonna be between 278,000,000,370 8 billion, like that's a that's $100 billion. Like difference, like, that's it What a crazy range. I can only assume that 100 billion dollars is dependent on whether we actually convert the American submarines to right hand drive, I assume. I think

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it's whether or not we get tinted windows. I think that's quite

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you know, what gets me is like, I don't know anything about boats. I don't know why I would but like, what got me was when they said that they need to replace the submarines every two years. I'm like, that doesn't sound like a trustworthy boat. If anything, like if you have to replace your boat. At the same time that you have to replace a phone like don't go 20 metres underwater. I grew up not your life purpose.

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You really want to hope these Virginia class submarines or IP 68 Or you know,

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whatever, if you ever talk to any like relatively wealthy person, and you ask them what's the worst investment you've ever made? They'll always say a racehorse or a boat for similar reasons, which is that they will break and and eventually you'll lose all your money and it's just like, this is the multi multi multi billion dollar version of that we can't make planes that fly. We can't make helicopters that do their job. We can we barely make human being soldiers that can't commit war crimes. You know what I mean? Like, our country's military is pretty fucking rogue. I just wonder if at this point we might have to just give up,

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but just give up the country? No. Did we?

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If we just had no military, right? No one's fucking invading us. No one's gonna, like, what are they coming for?

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You know what, as well. They're underwater. No one can see them. I feel like a whole big visibility piece in war is that someone somewhere can see it. But if it's under the water, can't we just say that submarines are attacking each other? And we could just make up the facts? Like why do we need the boat?

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Amelia? That is why I'm going into the submarine building business. And we'll be launching our first submarine in 20 years. It's gonna cost $3 billion. Amelia, you're the you're the you're the foreman. You're gonna be running the sharks.

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It's so good. It's like, you know how when you sometimes move into a house that's in a sketchy neighbourhood, you'll put up a beware of the dog sign or like you put up like a security camera that doesn't work. We should just around Australia put up giant signs that are like submarines operating in this area. Watch out

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with these submarines. They are nuclear which means nuclear disposal nuclear waste is already debate about where that's gonna go Western Australia came out today to say we're not us. We don't have enough. We just don't. Australia just don't. Like well, that kind of makes sense. Because they couldn't be trusted with one bit of radioactive Lego brick. So they're like, well, we we can't even we can't even manage the Lego brick radioactivity. We can't What are we gonna do with the reactor? They everyone's kind of putting the pressure on South Australia to to build a hole. But that put that in?

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You mean a second hole has already Adelaide? Oh, well, you're ready to sell tickets anymore.

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There's a great comment from Peter Dutton on this and I swear this is not from butter. But he said he would love he would support the cuts to the NDIS in order to make way for the subs. Oh my God, when I saw that, I laughed. A big belly laugh. And it was just Oh, that's so typical. Like, that is the that is the most what? Like, someone would have written that as a joke. Like, that's not a joke. You're actually saying that.

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It's so much cut. What if we just bought one? Let them have one. You know, what are we looking at? They're like 20 billion 30 billion 40 billion. Like, we can have one. We'll give him one. But not as not 16 or whatever it is madness. I kind of I do feel like it's so funny that Paul Keating is the one that has turned the tide on this. An old man just like pointing his finger at the cigar. No, no, it's randomly managed to turn this around.

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There is a point to all this. That is the rise of the PLA and Zhi Jing ping did lay down a challenge to say, y'all need to get ready to invade Taiwan by 2027. Is this something we should be worried about in Australia? Or do we just go let them invade?

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I just don't think it's the same thing they don't they don't like Taiwan and Australia are different for literally all of the reasons. They're not similar in any way at all. I mean, there's like, these are very different situations are not quite it, this whole thing seems insane to me. Like I feel like, like maybe Albanese has like a kid who wants to be a submariner somewhere, like, there's got to be a shoe that drops in this conversation that we just haven't got to yet.

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It's so funny seeing the press coverage in the Sydney Morning Herald and the age in the lead up to this, their giant Red Dawn kind of media blitz scared the manufacturing of consent to kind of build up to this moment. It's so strange to kind of see, you know, actually happen unfold, unfolding in front of your eyes. And this time, now, being an old person now, and seeing many war cycles and seeing the media go through these war cycles by kind of saying, all the scary stuff that's leading up to an announcement and you're like, oh, and then when you see the actual announcement drop, you're like, Oh, well, that clearly makes sense. Because for the last three weeks, the major broadsheet has been kind of selling the idea of, of defence you know, in a major way, and here we are, here is the pie. We need to eat. So interesting. Like it's so it's kind of it makes me feel a bit disgusting. Like, knowing like seeing through the scene through the facade going, Oh, that's just what they're doing. In a moment. There's gonna be a huge

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rock or again, this is fun.

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Yeah, we lived it again. This is the worst sequel ever because we know the ending. Well,

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I think if we do want a solution that can make people feel a little more comforted in the event of an invasion or anything like that. We've got some super bats. Like they can protect us surely. We've got sky. We've got bats in the sky. We've got fake submarines underwater. Land. Do you bet like, come on?

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Yeah, good point,

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I'm not worried about an attack from China under the under the sea, I'm worried about a cyber attack on Bunnings. That's what I'm concerned about. And when that happens, that's when we send in the bats tit for tat.

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If you're on the free feed, you're about to hear a live read from the Western AI about our sponsor, if you're on the Patreon, you're about to hear Adam Bandt. One story we didn't get to Louis is that during the pandemic, there was a whole bunch of people who pulled money out of their super fund. And the first thing that many people did was gamble, gamble that they gamble with their money. Can you believe that? I can absolutely believe it. Yeah, it's very sad thing to do. But you know, one thing you shouldn't do is gamble on the future of the planet, Louis? Well, I

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mean, it depends, then because what if you put the future of the planet on red? And then it comes up? Right? You know what I mean? Suddenly, the future the planet is looking twice as good. I'm not saying obviously, the odds are a little under 5050. But at the moment, probably less than 5050. Anyway, I reckon it's

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not bad odds. One group who aren't gambling with your money is Australian ethical. They're only investing in ethical businesses that are met. That means no fossil fuels, no companies that are detrimental to the earth. I just saw they divested from LendLease this week, which is incredible, because LendLease is doing some tricky things with land in New South Wales and koalas and overdevelopment. So that's really fascinating stuff from them. So and they are also sponsoring irrational fear. So big thank you to Australia, if they got down

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when the pandemic was on, I removed my money from my super and I invested in human trafficking. Now. I'm just wondering, what Australia legals position on human trafficking against against it

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that said it right. They're against it. They're, they're against human trafficking? Well, I mean,

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how did they come to this position?

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I don't know. You know, you should definitely ask Adam, if he and

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I will, I intend to give.

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Adam Bandt is joining us live via the Internet himself, one that he is in charge of because he's part of the government. Adam, welcome to rational. Hi, Dan. Thanks for joining us, Adam. It's always great to hear you pop in the show every three months. And we just want to ask you one question again.

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It's about the CPRS.

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I'll have you know that I was in Cape Town last month with an Irish journalist. And he said to my face, Google it mate. I love the google it mate guy. Can you believe that? I was in Cape Town with an Irish journalist. And they were quoting you? How do you feel

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about that? That's nice. I thought you're better say that he asked about the CPRS. But

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Adam, what where are you at? At the moment? Obviously, it's a very busy time for you for the greens for you know, climate change policy in general. What's the mood?

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I saw a tweet today that said, Well, look, we're about to come out of a learning year. What's the next couple of summers going to be like, and my sense from talking to people is that, but really, for a lot of people, people are starting to get worried about what the climate crisis is going to mean. And we've had sort of a bit of a wet time and sort of some reasonably wet summers. And I think now sort of Penny has dropped that it's that's not going to last. And so I think there's a growing sense that we've got to get our skates on that time is running out, and that we've got to act. And I think we saw that sort of manifested at the last election really, when you've got people that greens vote go up. But also independents winning seats, or former liberals in the independents who've got better climate policies than the government does, like suggests to me that there's actually a real mood and a real shift amongst people that was expressed at the election that says radio, it's really time to get on with it.

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I want to know, how are you working with those independents? Like, what's the what's the vibe like working with those community, independents in federal parliament? And how are you thinking about that movement as you head into state elections?

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I was very interesting in the the New South Wales election that's on at the moment, we saw not only the greens, but even now independents saying that in balance of power, they'll push for action on coal and gas and saying stop opening new coal and gas and rewind, a parliament or two ago, and it was just us who are pushing that. And I think there's a growing sense, like, including amongst independents, like if you're not tied to the fossil fuel industry, if you're not taking the donations from the coal and gas corporations, you just look at it. And it's like, it's common sense, right? And so why would you open up new coal and gas mines in the middle of a climate crisis? And what we're finding is the Greens have been doing this for a while, but now also a number of the community independents, who are able to speak with us Science and speak for what I think, you know, a large section of the Australian population are thinking and saying things that that in many instances match things that we've been saying for a long time. And I think that's really good. I think that's really good that we now have this parliament were sort of roughly speaking a third of the country, just less than that votes for the government a third votes for the opposition and a third votes for someone else. And if you had the kind of electoral system that you had in New Zealand, for example, that would just that would require multi party government all the time. And we're seeing versions of that I think being played out in our parliament. Now. I just think it's really good.

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What about the coalition with the government in New South Wales putting a ban on on mining offshore? That's pretty interesting. Do you take credit for that pushing them into that position?

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Well, this is exactly the point if the New South Wales, liberals can say that they're going to put a ban on, I think it was gas, oil and coal mining offshore. I didn't know coal mining offshore was a big industry. That's good. I stepped up. And, of course, a few asterisks and caveats. We've got

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an open cut mine, it's called the Pacific Ocean.

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So I mean, it's like there's, you know, there's, I believe that when I see it from the liberals, but the fact that they now think that it is in their electoral interests to say something like that, in the lead up to the election, I think shows how much the population has shifted. And The Australia Institute did a poll at the end of last year. That said, two thirds of people under 34 and 57% of the population generally don't want new coal oil or gas mines, right. And that's 57% of the population generally. And I think the penny kinda hasn't yet dropped in parliament that this is now a majority opinion.

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Who is the who's the 30 year old person, or the the 30% of those 30 year old people walking around going, you know, what we need around here? We need some new coal and gas I've always said

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so and I've given the given the like, debate at the moment, like, you know, not not in the New South Wales State election, which is also very interesting. But But federally, obviously, there's a lot of chit chat about, you know, Labour's policy at the moment, communicating with you needing your support. How's that looking? Where are you at?

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So the government's got a plan for a thing called the safeguard mechanism that basically allows unlimited numbers of coal and gas mines to come into the system. And they don't actually have to reduce their pollution, they just have to buy offsets, and they can keep on polluting what you've said to them. We think there's some real problems with the scheme. And but look, we're prepared to, I guess, put aside our concerns and vote for it if you disagree, to stop making the problem worse, and stop opening new coal and gas now.

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As a touring comedian, Adam, I sometimes fly between capital cities, and I do tick the box, and I know that that $2.70 of carbon offsets is doing fuck. But I check it because it makes me feel good.

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Qantas profits are doing pretty well, though, Dan. So maybe you're helping. That's good. Yeah,

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I'm helping out Alan Joyce. Yeah, well, I

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mean, he's just yet right. It's like these offsets for especially the large scale for Woodside that is proposing one just one of Woodside new projects, the Scarborough project off Western Australia, that alone would wipe out any climate gains from all of the 215 corporate entities covered by the safeguard mechanism put together 2030, right that we're talking about. And there's at least six new gas projects and more than six new coal projects that are in the pipeline between now and 2030. And more than 100 in the pipeline altogether. So these for these going, Woodside just got just tripled its profits. They're in the billions of dollars and the cost to them of offsetting, quote, unquote, the Scarborough project is about 5 million with an M a year. And these guys don't even pay any of the gas tax at the moment because the gas tax is broken. And many instances, big corporations in Australia don't even pay for the gas at all. So it's kind of coins down the back of the couch for these guys. And so we've said to the government, look, if you want to support, we're going to have to deal with this question of coal and gas. And we've said we'd look at other alternatives as well. People have talked about a climate trigger, which means you can't open up a big new project in this country. And as you take into account climate impacts, the independence others have put forward a range of proposals. We said we'll look at all of those but really this question of coal and gas, we have to start dealing with it and the government has to explain to the population why it wants to keep opening coal and gas mines.

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It's so kind of disheartening around the world to kind of see these huge projects still kind of get up. Biden administration this week, announced the konoka Phillips will open Protect, which is, if completed will, will kind of release 263 million tonnes of carbon dioxide over the next 30 years. What is this kind of deal with these so called progressive parties trying to show how green they are, you know, try to pretend that they're there for the environment, but are trying to also affect the planet at the same time? What's going on there? Like, what? What how did this Willow Project Get up?

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So the corporations that are meant and their lobbyists that are meant to be regulated by this new supposin climate policy that the government's putting up, donated over $900,000 to the government in the lead up to the election. So like, there's the coal and gas industries in Australia have enormous sway, like exercised through donations, but it's also a revolving door there, right. The other resources ministers, I think, get something like going back for the last 15 years, I'd stand to be corrected on that. But something like that every resource minister there was basically goes out the door and then ends up working for a resource company or their lobbyist. And so there's a big revolving door, there's big donations that come into play. And you see that in the US, you see that here as well. But it's completely as I said before, it's completely out of step with what people want. And I think there's

31:18  
sort of a whack on that, Adam, Adam on that, like, you know, $900,000 It sounds like to everyday person, that's a lot of money, right? But there must be more money. Let's go ahead and be away. Like there's got to be something that is not on the books that kind of is actually persuading these folks to do this because it doesn't, it doesn't make sense, like doesn't make sense. Like the money the amount of money you see, in the registers, like on the registers are so small, like, if I remember the film, the big deal, they were talking about numbers of 30,000 40,000 50,000. Like, That's chump change, like that's a car like what else they know, there's surely there's got to be more than than what's been

32:00  
27 big gas corporations in one year, between them bought in $73 billion of income and paid no tax, right? This is like we but these guys have their hooks into the Labour and the liberal parties. And they have seen it in Parliament, they basically they walk around the corridors of parliament with a metaphorical big stick and say, do what we want and what we demand. Otherwise, we'll run a campaign against you and try and oust you from your seats. And the and so far governments have been cowed by that, by that kind of threat and what I think, but what people aren't tweeting, but the government and the opposition haven't tweeted yet is that actually like the people, people would respond really well to a government that stood up to these corporations. And they said, No, actually, hang on, you got to pay some tax. And maybe your business model being premised on the destruction of the planet life, as we know, is something that we need to start winding down rather than boosting. And I think there would be huge, huge popular support for taking them on but as it is, at the moment, they're the ones wandering around saying, do what we want, or we'll run a campaign against you. And part of our job is to say, Well, no, actually, you probably it's getting to a tipping point now where you're going to lose more votes and more seats, if you don't take action on the climate crisis.

33:26  
On the upside, if the planet does collapse, we won't have to sell Comedy Festival. That is real joy. Adam

33:33  
is in a dream world, obviously, like in a world that you run that people who'd like the planet to survive run, you know, the Labour Party makes the decision to not allow any more coal mines, you know, gas mines, anything like that. But in a imperfect well health, where they're in a position where they've got, you know, in the Neapolitan ice cream that you described before 30% 30% 30% They've got vanilla on one side, they've got strawberry on the other and they're the chocolate in the middle. What Lewis

34:03  
is trying to say what does the Veneta Adam bad look like?

34:09  
I guess what I mean, is like, if it comes to a point where the sticking point between, you know, them getting any progress is is this coal and gas thing that that is again, from our point of view, crazy reasonable, but for whatever reason to them isn't. What what are you going to do with that? You must I know Dan joked about the CPRS. But The Haunting of of that must be on your mind or like, obviously, I guess what I'm asking is like it's a principles versus I guess, practicality decision, potentially. Like, how are you feeling about that at the moment? Yeah, we'll

34:47  
come in into I know the government loves to run the line about what happened, you know, a decade and a half ago and they completely and then if they ever Last Julia Gillard out of history as if as if there was no like, they forget that immediately afterward the greens and labour work together and put in place climate laws that actually worked in this country. But like just putting that to one side like that, that actually doesn't really concern us too much, because the the 20 year olds who are marching in the street now with signs saying no new coal and gas when Primary School when all that happened, and it doesn't quite have the purchase that that the few labour hacks might think it has. And they tell themselves that story a lot, and so on. But it's not our experience is that it doesn't resonate. And people think that our position is the common sense one, but like, if you look back over what we've done, since we've been in this Parliament, there's been a number of instances like the passing of the climate or passing the Evie law were passing of the law to take on the gas corporations where it wasn't done exactly how we would have liked it. But we took the view that the climate bore there 43% weight target, right really weak Tiger it's premised on exceeding two degrees which means the end of the Great Barrier Reef for example, in destruction in the Murray Darling Basin like that's, that's their targets. But we took the view that we could determine prove the law put in place a, a floor, not a ceiling, and we passed it even though we think it should have gone much further, because in our view, it was a small step on the road to tackling the climate emergency

36:25  
when you say Dutton peripheral, or do you mean like writing it in very like, with long, like very verbose language like,

36:33  
Yeah, something like that. The the way, we're, if we can take a step on this direction, then I would, we're obviously you've seen us say, Well, look, let's do that. But what, and we'll work together with the government to do that, even though what we think you're doing is nowhere near good enough. But I guess where we draw the line, is it making the problem worse, right? And, like if what the government is putting up, actually sees the problem get worse, because it says, Open slather on new coal and gas, and actually will tick the climate box and say we've done this, even as pollution from coal and gas continues to go up, then I guess that's, that's a place where I think anyone would say, Oh, you don't vote for something that makes the problem worse.

37:24  
Amelia, did you want to? Yeah,

37:25  
I just had one question. You know, as a pleb. I think I speak for the people that far and wide. And I think, you know, for this upcoming election, there's a hot button question on the minds of many Australians. So my question is, Fuck, Marry kill house of House of Representatives Senate. Or, you know, like that hectic, Picasso styled painting of Gough Whitlam in Parliament House. You know, the one I do you know, the one Adam, do you know, the one Louis?

37:59  
They don't let me in to Canberra or anyone for good reason. You know what I did? Yeah.

38:08  
I can't go there. The language of it maybe? Which one would you bromance one? In which one would you share? What can I say? Can I say I'm feeling after the last 48 hours. I'm feeling particularly finally towards Paul Keating. Anyone come out and put succinctly into words something that that that I've been thinking for a little while about better ways to spend over $300 billion. Who comes it comes out and does that manages to get on the front page. That's, that's worth a glass or two.

38:52  
Yeah, we've just got a clip to promote the show, Adam. That's great. Thanks, Adam. Thank you so much for joining us on rational VR. We just got a couple of questions from the folks on Patreon Peter McNeil says, How do I google the current cash rate? How does he do that?

39:04  
Go to a search engine of your choice. I've been advised that I should be medium neutral from now on so.

39:13  
And Hayden shore wants to know, what should the defence budget be? I'll take the answers in US dollars or submarine. It should be

39:21  
what it what works for us not what works for the US.

39:25  
And Adam. I did a bit of googling to see what you're up to lately, and it looks like your super fund is a bit dirty. And we have a superfund that sponsors our show that's not have you Would you ever consider moving your Superfund to one that doesn't sponsor fossil fuels?

39:40  
I don't know who isn't Superfund that

39:42  
that sponsors your Australian ethical looks after us? Very, very good.

39:46  
I am actually in a I mean a fossil free Fund The Daily Telegraph chose not to mention that particular

39:57  
point of our super fund is that they don't condone human trash. Okay, have you checked in on yours?

40:05  
They tell me they don't either.

40:09  
Hester has a different super fund for human trafficking. Adam, Ben, thanks for joining us on irrational fear.

40:17  
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having us on.

40:20  
is rational.

40:23  
That's irrational fear. Big thanks to Louis. Adam, Ben and Amelia. Adam, do you have anything to plug?

40:29  
Just yet vote great and see in the upcoming election.

40:33  
Oh, come on. nonpartisan show. All right. Go Jack come on here willy nilly and say vote Green. No. And they

40:40  
go and see Mandy Nolan at the Comedy Festival as well while you're there. Yes, Mandy

40:45  
Nolan also performing at irrational fear. Next Sunday in Brisbane. Amelia, what would you like to plug?

40:52  
I am doing the Melbourne International Comedy Festival from April 10 to 22 Birds apothecary. It's on the website for you know the one the big Melbourne one. And also Sydney in May, May 17 and 19 at the Factory Theatre. All right, Louis. What

41:09  
would you like to break down? We've got a great show irrational fear. Brisbane World Science Festival next week. What alarm bell bottle? Correct Mark Humphries. Mandy Nolan. The exact same person that Attabad just recommended. We agree. We agree on that. And also Daniel it's yeah, of course. He'll be there. This Melbourne International Comedy Festival second of April. What a while. Yeah.

41:33  
Who's Who's on the show?

41:37  
I've got a 10 week. Just

41:38  
one. Just one person. One person. Great. Same race time is on the show. Yes, very good. Very good. Big thanks to rode mics Australian ethical, our sponsor, patreon supporters and Jacob roundover Tepanyaki timeline until next time, we'll see you next week.

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