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The politics of Peter Dutton's position on Israel

Oct 10, 202418 minEp. 1368
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The war in the Middle East is dominating Australian politics.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton spent the week attacking Prime Minister Anthony Albanese – claiming he disrespected the Jewish community when he included calls for de-escalation and a ceasefire in a condolence motion to mark the one-year anniversary of October 7.

But there are signs that Dutton’s attacks aren’t landing, and that he’s become too focused on the Middle East conflict at the expense of pressing issues closer to home.

Today, columnist for The Saturday Paper Paul Bongiorno on the indirect ways the Middle East conflict could shape life here in Australia – and the outcome of the election. 


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Speaker 1

From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven am. The war in the Middle East is dominating Australian politics. Peter Dutton has spent the week going hard against the Prime Minister, saying he disrespected the Jewish community when he called for the de escalation and a cease fire in his condolence motion on October seven. But there are signs that Dutton's attacks aren't landing and he's become too focused on the Middle East conflict at the expense of pressing

issues closer to home. Today columnists for the Saturday Paper Paul bon Joorna on the indirect ways the Middle East conflict could shape life here in Australia and the outcome of the election. It's Friday, October eleven. Paul, thanks for joining us. Want to start with the condolence motion in Parliament at the start of the week to mark the one year anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel. Can you tell me what the motion said?

Speaker 2

Yeah? Hi, Daniel, Well the motion had fifteen statements.

Speaker 1

May give the call to the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much, missus.

Speaker 2

Speaker.

Speaker 3

I moved that the House of Representatives a reiterates its unequivocal condemnation of Hamasa's terror attacks on Israel.

Speaker 2

Which the first four condemned unequivocally the massacre, the taking of hostages, and the brutal attacks on hundreds of other innocent Israelis on that day. It called for the immediate release of the hostages, It condemned anti Semitism and stood with Jewish Australians who have been affected by it. But it then went on to call for a cease fire and regional de escalations.

Speaker 3

K stresses the need to break the cycle of violence and supports international efforts to de escalate, for a sea firing Gaza and in Lebanon, and for lasting peace and security for Israeli, Palestinian, Lebanese and all people in the region.

Speaker 2

The emotion went broader, recognizing that there are many others in Australia deeply distressed by the conflict beyond October seven, and it warned the undermining of social cohesion risks Australia's domestic security, and the Prime Minister went on quote every civilian life matters, every Palestinian, every Lebanese, every single innocent life.

Speaker 4

That is the truth.

Speaker 3

We must hold on to the truth of a shared humanity, of the hope that peace is possible, and the belief that it belongs to all people. To quote the great Doctor Martin Luther King, darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that. I commend the resolution to the House.

Speaker 2

The motion passed the House with eighty five votes. There were fifty four against the entire Liberal and National parties and three from the cross bench. The four Greens abstained. Of course, all the action wasn't only in the House of Representatives. The motion then went to the Senate, and it was there that there was quite a kafaffel. Lydia Thorpe now an independence. She marched into the chamber screaming out.

Speaker 5

The reason we're advocating for us, our Minister on cases in your seat.

Speaker 2

And the Green senators held up placards and defiance of the standing orders and angering the President of the Senate, the demanding sanctions now on Israel.

Speaker 5

Senator thought, it is inappropriate to come in here, Senator thought, Senator thought, come to order, Senator Thorpe, come to order, Senator thought, take your seat, Senator thought.

Speaker 2

Issue in the Senator is still unresolved.

Speaker 1

So the Coalition and the Greens didn't support the motion.

Speaker 2

What did they say, Well, the Greens leader Adam Bant was critical of Albanisi for not allowing amendments that would not give sympathy, but condemnation of Israel hardly fitting in with the purpose of the day. But Bant was uncompromising in his condemnation of the ongoing slaughter as he calls it, and critical that war crimes were not condemned.

Speaker 6

Well.

Speaker 2

Opposition leader Peter Dutton was at the polar opposite end of the argument.

Speaker 4

This motion was supposed to be about October seven, about the loss of human life in the circumstances that we've just graphically outlined, and that people cross the world now come to understand. I proposed to the Prime Minister a motion which was balanced and objective.

Speaker 2

Dutton refused to back the motion. He said the original intent of the motion was to mark the loss of twelve hundred Israeli lives.

Speaker 4

This government has sought to walk both sides of the street in relation to what has been a very divisive debate for our country. It's what in part has given rise to the anti Semitism that we've seen in university campuses, but across society more generally.

Speaker 2

He said, the Prime Minister, unlike his labor predecessors, didn't have the decency to respect the Jewish community.

Speaker 4

And for that, Prime Minister, you should stand condemned. We have put to this Prime Minister a more than reasonable position.

Speaker 2

And Dutton's position since October seven last year has given Israel unquestioning support. He rarely acknowledges the loss of Palestinian life and supports ongoing war until Hamas Hesbalah and the hooties are routed. But it should be remembered that Albanezi meant over backwards trying to get bipartisanship on this motion. There were meetings on the weekend and even on Tuesday morning.

The Prime Minister met the opposition leader twice tried to convince him to come on board, and Dutton refused point blank. He tried to blame Albanisi for this failure in bipartisanship. Well, I personally don't think that that passes the pub test. Well, the independent member for went with Olegraspender. She also didn't back the motion. Hers as the seat with the largest Jewish community in the country.

Speaker 7

I wish that we as a Parliament could come together and lead unitedly. I would have supported this motion had it been separated into two motions one on October seven one. Recognizing the pain that the last year had brought.

Speaker 2

She criticized her colleagues in Parliament for not being able to find common grounds.

Speaker 7

And I am once again disappointed by this House and the political politicization of this issue, because the country is looking for us to come together. The country is hurting. There are people who have lost friends and families across our communities. They are hurting and we are not helping these people.

Speaker 1

Is an obviously a tricky issue for the government. How would you describe the political calculations they are making when they're talking about this war?

Speaker 2

Well, Daniel, of course, no matter what the politicians want you to believe, there are always political calculations. Dutton accuses Albanisi of selling out Israel to appease Arab and Muslim voters, particularly in Western Sydney, with two and possibly three seats in play, but it's also clear that Dutton has his eye on three seats as well, with significant Jewish numbers, two held by Teal Independence and one held by Labor on a knife edge in Melbourne, and the issue was

particularly fraught for Labor internally. We were reminded of that on Wednesday when Senator Fatima Payman, who quit Labor earlier this year over its refusal to immediately recognize Palestine, announced she's forming a new party called Australia's Voice, and it's

clearly aimed at Labor voters. There's growing sentiment in the left of the Labor Party for the Palestinian cause, but even there no one disputes Israel has a right to defend itself and in saying that, they realize, as Cabinet Minister Mark Butler, who by the way, is from the left of the party, as he said on Monday, that right clearly involves the use of force. The line the government formally draws is that force must be used within the norms of international law.

Speaker 1

And Paula's politicians fought over words elsewhere in Parliament some palestinianstraints front of the media. What happened at that press conference.

Speaker 2

Well of the Greens and Lydia Thorpe, the former Green, and Fatima Payman, well, they turned up with the Palestinians at Parliament House to say look this isn't only about words, it's about real people.

Speaker 5

That this is a press conference where you've just heard for the last forty five minutes to the impacts of the genocide, the state.

Speaker 2

Of Israel and what they have done, and you're asking questions about emotion, You're asking questions about Israel having the rights to self defense, trying to give a dimension to the view they hold that the whole conflict is not only regrettable, but reprehensible and as a human catastrophe.

Speaker 1

There were massive protests last weekend, and there have been massive protests throughout the last twelve months, thousands of people gathering to show their support for Palestine and thousands also gathering to commemorate the attacks on Israel a year ago. What does this tell you about how big an issue this is in the minds of voters right now.

Speaker 2

Well. Research by the Labor Party finds that while a majority of Australians, probably around seventy to seventy five percent, are aware of the conflict, they see it as over there and regrettable, but it doesn't really concern us, so it doesn't have a broad resonance in that sense. Labor thinks that around ten percent of Australians are particularly involved and exercised, and these would be people on the Jewish and Palestinian side, with the relatives in Gaza or in Israel. Now.

An Essential poll this week found about fifty six percent of Australians are satisfied with Albanesi's response to the Israel Gaza war and a separate resolve. Pole in the Age found fifty one percent of Australians don't want the government to take sides in the conflict. They certainly don't want any form of military involvement, either sending military equipment sixty seven percent were against that or sending military support seventy two percent were against that. So with that in mind,

Dutton could be misfiring. Dutton is doing what he accused Albanisi of doing in the Voice referendum, focusing on one issue that the expense of bigger issues for voters strugging to make ends meet.

Speaker 1

After the break how the conflict might shape politics here in a surprising and indirect way, for the conflict in the Middle East is dominating politics here at home, despite some evidence that for most voters it is in top of mind. We're gearing up for an election sometime early in the next year. So can you tell me about how this issue is likely to impact the result?

Speaker 2

Well, I guess that remains to be seen. Besides Wentworth in Sydney, there are two seats in Melbourne potentially in play, Kujong and McNamara. Coujong took in a big swag of Jewish votes from the abolished seat of Higgins Well. Independent Monique Ryan will hope her chances are protected by Dutton's failure to develop serious pos on climate change and energy. That certainly played a part in Ryan winning Kujung in

the first place. In McNamara, Labor incumbent Josh Burns, himself Jewish, has told worried branch members is confident he can hold on with many Jewish Greens in the seat now rejecting the party. But this week Joe Biden lets slip that Israel could target Iran's oil production and export facilities. Certify some of.

Speaker 4

Your comments yesterday with regard to strikes on.

Speaker 5

Iranian oil facilities, What did you mean by them?

Speaker 7

Given some of the reactions for Senior in the market.

Speaker 6

Colok, the Israelis have I concluded how they're what they're going to do in term of the strain, that's on a discussion.

Speaker 2

Biden's so worried he's tried to talk Netanyahu out of bombing Iran's oil facilities. Well, you'd have to say the Israeli Prime Minister hasn't shown much of any inclination to take notice of the US President in the past twelve months and is unlikely to begin heeding him now, even though it's been widely reported that on Thursday morning, there was an intense phone discussion between nettin Yahoo and Biden.

Speaker 8

Until the phone call, today, US officials tell NBC News that Israeli leaders had not briefed the US on the specific details of their retaliatory response against Iran, even as the Pentagon discussed the possibility of supporting any potential military action.

Speaker 2

Financial journalist Alan Cohler says if that happens, there would be an epic inflationary bust, similar to the nineteen seventy three oil shock. Coler points out that destroying Iran's facilities on carg Island, twenty five kilometers off the coast, would destroy only three percent of global production, but it would be a very different story if Iran retaliated by taking out Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates oil production capacity,

as it's threatened to do if attacked. The nineteen seventy three oil shock had badly impacted the global economy, and a similar disruption to oil supplies, given that we now import all of them, would redefine the debate over cost of living and energy policy in Australia. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 1

So that was the case, then, pore that this ends up impacting people's cost of living here in Australia right before an election, how do you think that will shape the way the election is fought.

Speaker 2

Well rationally Given the current scientific alarm over global warming, it should give weight to relying even more urgently on Australia's abundant sources of wind and solar energy. Our vulnerability to imported fossil fuels for our transport needs would be significantly lessened if we were further down the path of electrification. We yet to see what energy policies the coalition will take to the next election. We should remember nuclear is

at least three elections away. If ever, and in the latest batch of opinion polls, analyst Kevin Bonham sees an improvement for labor giving it an aggregate edge, and it could be bolstered by rising consumer confidence and an even healthier budget position thanks to Chinese demand for iron ore Daniel no doubt Albinizzi, on the sidelines of the aas IN summit in Lao this week, will express his gratitude to China's Premier Li Chang for Beijing's latest economic stimulus policies,

while I have no doubt at the same time keeping his fingers crossed that the Middle East conflict doesn't dramatically impact global oil energy supplies.

Speaker 1

Paul, thank you so much for your time. Let's do this against scene.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Daniel By.

Speaker 1

Also in the news today, the Deputy Prime Minister's chief of staff claims she's being forced out of her job after raising complaints of bullying against her colleagues. Joe Tunwoski claims that while she's still currently employed as chief of staff, she has been ostracized and unable to access her office without giving twenty four hours notice since June this year.

During question time, the Deputy Prime Minister City upheld minister Or Code of Conduct, which requires ministers to uphold the highest workplace standards, including a safe and respectful workplace culture Townwoski has not made allegations of bullying against the Deputy Prime Minister a New South Wales police are currently investigating

more than eighty cases of alleged coercive control. The new data comes after coercive control was declared a criminal offense in New South Wales back in July of this year. So far, only one person that's been charged by New South Wales police for the crime. Seven Am is a daily shave from Schwartz Media and The Saturday Paper. It's produced by Shane Anderson, Zultanfecho and Zaia Tangral. Our technical producer is Atticus Bastow. We are edited by Chris Dangate

and Sarah mcvee. Eric Jensen is our editor in chief, mixing by Travis Evans. Our theme music is by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan of Envelope Budeo. Seven Am is hosted by Ruby Jones and myself Daniel James. We'll be back on Monday with the first episode in a special three part series. This is Alice Springs. See you then,

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