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YT version (with intro not found here) https://youtu.be/6iaT-0Dvhnc This is the epic special edition show you have been waiting for! With two of the most brilliant scientists alive today. Atoms, things, agents, ... observers. What even defines an "observer" and what properties must all observers share? How do objects persist in our universe given that their material composition changes over time? What does it mean for a thing to be a thing? And do things supervene on our lower-level physical reality? What does it mean for a thing to have agency? What's the difference between a complex dynamical system with and without agency? Could a rock or an AI catflap have agency? Can the universe be factorised into distinct agents, or is agency diffused? Have you ever pondered about these deep questions about reality? Prof. Friston and Dr. Wolfram have spent their entire careers, some 40+ years each thinking long and hard about these very questions and have developed significant frameworks of reference on their respective journeys (the Wolfram Physics project and the Free Energy principle).

Panel: MIT Ph.D Keith Duggar Production: Dr. Tim Scarfe Refs: TED Talk with Stephen: https://www.ted.com/talks/stephen_wolfram_how_to_think_computationally_about_ai_the_universe_and_everything https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/10/how-to-think-computationally-about-ai-the-universe-and-everything/ TOC 00:00:00 - Show kickoff

00:02:38 - Wolfram gets to grips with FEP

00:27:08 - How much control does an agent/observer have

00:34:52 - Observer persistence, what universe seems like to us

00:40:31 - Black holes

00:45:07 - Inside vs outside

00:52:20 - Moving away from the predictable path

00:55:26 - What can observers do

01:06:50 - Self modelling gives agency

01:11:26 - How do you know a thing has agency?

01:22:48 - Deep link between dynamics, ruliad and AI

01:25:52 - Does agency entail free will? Defining Agency

01:32:57 - Where do I probe for agency?

01:39:13 - Why is the universe the way we see it?

01:42:50 - Alien intelligence

01:43:40 - The hard problem of Observers

01:46:20 - Summary thoughts from Wolfram

01:49:35 - Factorisability of FEP

01:57:05 - Patreon interview teaser