¶ Introduction to Polygenic Risk Scores
You're listening to Veterinary Vertex , a podcast of the AVMA Journals . In this episode we chat about the prospects , opportunities and challenges of polygenic risk score prediction of complex diseases in companion animals with our guests Mehdi Momin and Peter Muir .
Welcome listeners . I'm Editor-in-Chief Lisa Fortier , and I'm joined by Associate Editor Sarah Wright . Today we have Peter and Mendy joining us . Peter , my longtime friend and colleague , thank you for all you've done for our journals and for being with us here today .
Thank you for the invitation to be part of this meeting .
Thank you , Lisa and Sarah , for inviting us . It's our pleasure to share our experience and our knowledge about Polygyic risk score prediction with you and your audience .
Awesome , let's dive right in . So , Peter , your AJVR article discusses the unique challenges and future opportunities that hinder the broader adoption of polygenic risk score risk prediction in companion animals compared to humans and production animals . Please share with our listeners the background on this article .
Okay , thank you for the question . Yeah , as an academic small animal surgeon , I've had a longstanding interest in cruciate ligament rupture in dogs going back for a long time , and as that work unfolded , we acquired a sort of bigger and bigger interest in the genetic contribution to the disease . So we started to do a genome-wide association study in 2014 .
And those projects take a while , so it wasn't until 2017 that the first paper from my lab was published on that topic , but already , even in that very first paper , we'd started to do some analysis about the genetic contribution to the disease and how that could potentially be used to predict cases from controls cases from controls .
And so here we are today , some years later , with a much more sort of sophisticated understanding of the topic in general about genetic risk prediction for common , complex or polygenic diseases .
Yeah , definitely interesting article . My in-laws dog actually just tore her CCL , so we're looking to have surgery for her soon , so that's something that's super applicable to lots of pet owners as well . So , Mehdi , what are the important take-home messages from this AJVR article ?
Yeah , that's a good question . Several months ago , before we started to finalize the paper , I discussed with Peter . We know there are lots of research about the polygenic crystal score prediction in livestock animals and also in humans . So also there are several studies in companion animals . Peter , we have some experience from before .
But also we can right now write a paper to bring more attention to hologenic risk score , how this quantity can be used in practical for the risk stratification in companion animal , like dogs , dogs .
So one thing is that I told Peter we need to discuss about the differences between breeds in terms of the RISC scores and how we can optimize our models , how we can develop a model . So I can say this article brings several different things to readers .
One thing is same as human production animal polygenic risk score can be used in companion animal as well for risk stratification . But we have a huge diversity in dog population , for example , in pets . So we need to consider this .
We need to develop our model accurately predict polygenic risk score as just dog's population , for example , or other pet population , so this quantity can be used for personalized veterinary care . This is what brings these papers to readers .
That's great , Peter . Back to you so many questions . This will be multi-part . So, you mentioned the start of this was a GWAS study . I've never done a GWAS study and I can't imagine the amount of data , so part of my multi-part question is are you still iterating that data ?
What sparked your interest in polygenic risk scores and why are companion animals so far behind humans and production animals ?
Okay , yes , thank you for the question . Yes , our data set is continuing to grow and we're continuing to work actively on this .
So already , like in our lab , as many other um uh investigators are working , is there , essentially , labs are um building up that to some degree , their own biobank , and I think one of the challenges for the future will be how to figure out ways of sharing biobank data between labs or institutions , because because , for sure , in this genomics general
¶ Origins of Genetic Disease Research
field , what's possible or questions that you can answer are definitely related to the magnitude of the data set that you have access to .
My interest in polygenic risk scores really originated , as I mentioned , in looking as a clinician , looking at animals with orthopedic problems and particularly dogs with crucial ligament rupture , where , pretty quickly , any um clinician who works with some breeders or works with a lot of um uh trainers or field trial dogs and that type of thing , you come to realize
pretty quickly that there's more going on with this condition than just accidental injury . And so , as a sort of clinician , clinician , scientist , then obviously you're starting to ask questions well , what is actually really going on with this very common problem ? And so that's really what drove our interest in this topic area .
And why do you think companion animal is lagging behind the use of polygenic risk scores in production and humans ?
I think the biggest issue or challenge is investment in the field . If large data sets are needed to sort of really accelerate the science of this topic , then at some level that needs investment through grant funding or investment through veterinary schools etc .
And I think that one of the challenges has been to figure out sources of funding that can support impactful work on new sort of big problems .
And I think the other other thing is still that that some of the work is still in an early phase , so it's definitely an area where production animal science is ahead of humans and humans and production animal science is ahead of companion animals , and in that sense I include like horses , as in companion animals , as well as like dogs and cats .
But it is starting to change and move forward , moving forward a fair bit , and I think the promise for the future is pretty bright a fair bit and I think the promise for the future is pretty bright .
That's great , makes total sense . You are one of , if not the key opinion leader in this area , but every time we write a manuscript we're surprised by something which also excites us and keeps us investigating . What from this article surprised you ?
I think one of the things that we've learned , which we talked a little bit about in this review article , is the idea that multi-ancestry prediction is sort of a big challenge or a big problem .
And back to crucioligament rupture we know clinically and have known for a long time that this is a condition that's common in multiple different breeds of dog , and our academic papers have published on a small number of breeds , but principally the Labrador Retriever , because it's the most common until recently breed in the US which is commonly affected with this
condition . And so that was the sort of reason for focusing on the Labrador Retriever in the beginning . But we know from ongoing work that we're continuing to pursue that it is quite
¶ Challenges in Multi-Breed Prediction
challenging to do predictions across different breeds of domesticated animal or essentially populations of different ancestry , and we think that that can be overcome with some more research and more funding .
But it is a challenge and essentially it boils down to this point about genetic heterogeneity that although cruciate ligament rupture , as a prototypical example , is quite heritable , it's quite common in different breeds of dogs .
There's heterogeneity in the genetic contribution in the different breeds and so a data set that works well for prediction in one breed will not necessarily work well for prediction in another breed , and so solutions to that sort of scientific challenge is still needed .
Sounds like a lot of future work , which actually leads me really well into my next question . So , mehdi , what are the next steps for research in this topic ?
That's a very good question . As you know , when we're predicting a polygenic risk score for an individual , we're always trying to increase accuracy of prediction . So we want to have the most accurate quantity as we can to stratify risk across different individuals low risk , high risk and medium risk .
So one thing can improve our prediction accuracy is a well-optimized reference population . We're always trying to have a transferability of our polygenic risk score across different breeds , so we need to have a reference population composed of many different breeds .
When we estimate SNP effects , this SNP effect could be representative of all breeds , representative of all breeds . So one thing could be improving a good reference population , establishing a reference population . Another thing is that with advances in genomic technology , we can have many layers of omics , information , genomics , transcriptomics and epigenomics .
Another thing is that how we can use these multiple layers of information , genomic information , to fit to our model and improve the accuracy . So I think we need to think about this area as well and provide
¶ Future Research and AI Applications
more information , more input for our models to improve the prediction accuracies .
Do you think AI could help with that at all ?
Yeah , that's a really good question . As you know , when we have a prediction model polygeneric risk score prediction model we have input and we have some exploratory variables . I believe AI can play a role in both sides of this equation . We have input . Some AI technologies can provide accurate input . When we have accurate input , we have accurate prediction .
So AI can play a role for providing us the most accurate input or phenotypes . On the other side , we have exploratory variables , so they have patterns . Ai models have shown they have a high ability to recognize the pattern of data , for example , nonlinear patterns .
So I believe AI can be used for detecting this pattern , to predict or empower our model for prediction .
Very cool and for those of you just joining us , we're discussing polygenic risk scores with our guests Peter and Mehdi .
Peter , I didn't get a chance to look , but I'm estimating you're close to , or over 300 peer-reviewed manuscripts and tons of grants . A very successful clinician scientist . How do you get it done ? What do you have for tips and tricks to sit down and cross that finish line ?
Work hard . I think certainly the university environment here has been very supportive for me in terms of the work that I've had , and some of this interdisciplinary research has been very reliant on robust collaboration with others and that's certainly been a theme in my work and very much so in graduate students or trainees that have worked in my lab over time .
So I think in the current era of science moving forward , good teamwork , I think , and good interdisciplinary collaborations are going to continue to be very pivotal .
Yeah , nothing excited me more when I was still in academia than working across disciplines . It just really opened your mind . I remember a physicist said one time one of his students was up drawing a cartilage and I was like , oh no , no , you don't understand . Articular cartilage is really complex , like the pretty glycans and the collagen .
And he looked at me and he said , lisa , I model the earth . And I was like , oh right , it's really respectful for different and it just excites you so it's easier to sit down and really get through a manuscript . But well done , I mean , you're an amazing human being and individual .
I think one of the global topics for work in this field is this idea that in general , veterinary students are not very exposed to computer science or bioinformatics . And I think that's certainly true at UW-Madison , but I suspect that it's generally true in many other veterinary schools .
And I think I'm certainly true at UW-Madison , but I suspect that it's generally true in many other veterinary schools . And I think I'm certainly like projecting into the future development of thinking over what a curriculum should be , an ideal curriculum should be for veterinary students . I think that's an area that definitely needs some more reflection of .
Veterinarians are going to have bigger
¶ Veterinary Education and Client Awareness
roles and bigger exposure to sort of large data sets , and computer science and bioinformatics are going to continue to play a very important role in like veterinary medicine just in general .
I will hope your dean is not listening or you'll end up on the curriculum redesign committee listening , you'll end up on the Curriculum Redesign Committee , so that's certainly been a theme for us in terms of you know how we think about things here .
So , peter and Mehdi , this next set of questions is going to be really important for our listeners . The first one is going to be revolving around the veterinarian's perspective . So what is one piece of information the veterinarian should know about polygenic risk scores ?
Great . Well , thank you for that question . So I think one of the important things to recognize , particularly for these diseases , is that there's an intrinsic risk between the heritability of a disease or trait and the ability to predict it using genetic information . And the easiest way to think about that is for binary traits , ie like a case in control .
And so back to the work that we did with crucial ligament rupture in dogs . All of that initial work was done using the binary trait and each dog was either a case or control , and obviously , as a clinician , the next Labrador that walks into your office , if you flip a coin and call it as a case or control , you're going to be right half the time .
So heritability essentially highlights the potential for a predictive genetic test . So , for example , in the scenario where the heritability of crucioligamen rupture in the Labrador retriever was estimated as 40% or 0.4 , then with an ideal setup , genetic risk testing should be 90% accurate , because 0.5 and 0.4 is 0.9 .
And so I think the take-home message for veterinarians is that there's a strong linkage between genetic risk prediction and heritability , and so often the place that this work starts for a new disease or condition is to estimate the heritability . Anything maybe can add to that a bit more .
Yeah , one thing I should mention here is about the PRS value . Prs value actually is not a diagnosis tool , it's just a stratification tool . So how we can recognize or use this value .
Our dog is at high risk , medium risk or low risk , so before any clinical signs emerge , before any clinical signs emerge , so we can use this value to manage to adjust , to change the lifestyle for our pets .
I remember when we published our genetic test for the first time and we announced through our Facebook page somebody wrote I am skating to get this test for my dog . I want , I am going to say polygenic risk score values for any disease for your pet is not scary , it's just caring . It helps you to help your dog .
It navigates you through the changing or adjusting your pet in terms of the daily activity .
So , on the other side of the relationship , what's one thing clients should know about this topic ?
Yeah , that's a great question . So I would say still it's . There's still a lack of recognition in general for the intrinsic like genetic contribution to like common diseases , and by , in general , like common diseases or conditions are polygenic in terms of the genetic contribution .
And so even today , we're still regularly working in the clinic with owners who have a dog with cruciate ligament rupture , where they still have the perspective that the dog was playing ball in the garden a few days ago and became lame and developed the condition and so in their mind it's an injury situation , injury situation on , whereas the reality is , um , there
might have been some uh activity associated with with the rupture event , but the underlying um reason the problem arose is as because of intrinsic like genetic disease .
Um , in , obviously , just again , using that as an example , we have this paradoxical scenario where greyhounds are the fastest , most athletic dog you could possibly come across and as a breed , they're heavily protected against the risk of crucial ligament rupture .
So I think that's still the thing that owners should be aware of in terms of orthopedic , common orthopedic diseases in general , but cruciate ligament rupture in particular .
Yeah . But you know , when you look at the Frenchie you can tell people all you want about high risk factor diseases , and it's the same in horses . You're like please don't buy that . And the client's like oh , I already love it , it's too late .
Yeah , no , people love Labrador Retrievers or French Bulldogs , and not every . I mean . Greyhounds are great dogs , but not everybody wants one .
Yeah , my daughter got two miniature Bernadettles . I was like you didn't ask and of course they have GI problems and you're just like you could have asked your mother . She could have told you that , but it was too late . Well , thank you both
¶ Practical Applications for Pet Owners
Really fascinating work and Peter , for all you've contributed to especially AJVR , but JAVMA as well and really supporting our journals . We really appreciate it . As we wind down , we like to ask a little more of a fun question .
So , Peter , for you and if you have it , you can show us what is the oldest or most interesting item on your desk or in your desk drawer .
The oldest item I have is my diploma from the University of Bristol , so in June I will be celebrating 40 years as a veterinarian .
Very good . Congratulations , Mehdi , for you . What is your favorite animal fact ?
Oh , one thing for me . The fun fact is that white dogs have 300 million olfactory receptors . Both humans have only 6 million olfactory receptor . Both humans have only 6 million olfactory receptors . This is just fencing for me .
I did not know that , that's a good fact for me , too .
I was at a big dinner with the Labrador and I can attest the Labrador smelled the food before the humans did and tried to find it , so it definitely makes sense . Thank you so much , peter and Maddy . I really appreciate your time just being here today sharing your findings with our listeners , and also for sharing your article , too , with AJVR .
Yeah , well , thank you for the invitation . I've enjoyed the discussion .
Yeah , thank you for inviting us and it was a pleasure .
And to our listeners . You can read Peter and Maddy's article on AJVR . I'm Sarah Wright with Lisa Fortier . Be on the lookout for next week's episode and don't forget to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or whatever platform you listen to .