Episode description

Land & language. Eugenia Flynn and I talk about how we will not succeed in doing racial justice and solidarity work without centring Indigenous people, how it’s become cool to be in solidarity with Bla(c)k people, the beautiful and powerful intertwining of Bla(c)kness and Indigenity in so-called Australia, being Asian (Chinese Malaysian) and Aboriginal and the erased history of marriages between these communities, why class conversations need to always enter the chat, complicating group identifiers such as BIPOC, POC and Asian, and looking at them in an Australian context, working in the arts, why migrant exceptionalism is bs + much more! 

Eugenia's links:

• Eugenia's blog - links to her writing and interviews - Black Thoughts Live Here
• Eugenia's Twitter

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Past episodes and people mentioned + topics explored from different angles:

• Subtleties of Being Bla(c)k on Black Land
• Subtleties of Desirability w/ Sangeetha Thanapal
• We talk about class a lot on the podcast, but for a more in-depth discussion - Subtleties of Financial Shame 
• More discussions on anti-Blackness from non-Black people - Subtleties of Looking Average & Subtleties of Shutting Up
• Dr Kevin Nadal 
• Professor Irene Watson
• Peta Stephenson's book - Outsider's Within: Telling Australia's Indigenous-Asian Story 

I will add further episode related links soon! :) 

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The Subtlety of It is recorded and produced on the stolen land of the Wurundjeri People of the Kulin Nation. I pay my respects to the Ancestors who protect this sacred land and live and speak through community members. I pay my respects to Elders and community members who are the ongoing custodians of this land and pass on knowledge through generations. Sovereignty was never ceded. This land always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

The Subtlety of It is hosted and produced by Nana.

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