You're listening to the survival podcast for zombie nerds everywhere. This is Zombies Ate My Podcast. We're going from walking dead to maybe 28 days later. The character who is riffing off of it is clearly like a character accidentally walking on to another movie and being like, where am I? I just have this deja vu of like this has happened before. I believe it has, but I can't think of it. You know the cameo I might be thinking of is Brooklyn 9.9 and New Girl crossed over.
Yes, that might be what you're thinking of. Yeah, and I think Brooklyn 9.9 dude pulled over New Girl lady and that was the extent of it. But anyways, that's besides the point. Welcome to the show. We're going to be talking about zombies tonight as we do every night. But before we do that, I want to talk about extra life. We've had a lot of generous donations come in.
We've talked about those on the show and if you want to join in with those fine folks, bit.ly slash extra life Ryan, or if you donate $25, you can suggest a zombie film for us to discuss on the podcast or donate $50 and suggest three zombie films for us to discuss on the podcast. Although I'll mention I put so on the extra life page, you'll see that the incentives are actually listed as like clickable options. We talked about it last week.
I actually discovered somebody else had donated a colleague of mine or a friend of mine donated and chose the $50 option and said you guys choose. We've got a good listing of your choice, but we want fans, not only is this a great cause, but we want to know what you want us to watch. Make sure the movie is available in North America, rent stream purchase. The locations closed December 31st and we will be chatting about extra life right up until then.
But before we go into the news, Liu suggests us a film. What should people donate for? You'll understand why I'm suggesting this when we get to the news segment. But how about we watch somebody suggest House of the Dead by UE Bull? Because I'd like to beat my head against the wall for 90 minutes and wish it was all over. Yeah, I mean, that's a suggestion. Yeah, you went there and I think the only reason you did is because we have a new story about it.
But yeah, House of the Dead, I don't know whether to talk about it here or talk about it then, but since we want to encourage people to donate, I will say I have seen that film. I do remember, I remember there being a boat, like a boat played a big part in it. And then there was like a graveyard party, some kind. Yep. And you watched the whole movie going, why does this have to do with House of the Dead? Yeah. Now, House of the Dead was a Likungame, correct?
It was a Sega Likung arcade game and they made, actually, they still make them. There is a newer one that just came out a couple years ago that I've actually played. And they have typing of the dead as well. Yes, they do. Typing of the dead was on from that. Then there was also House of the Dead Overkill, which was a, originally, a Wii game, which has also been ported to four or five other things. And my understanding is, is that Likungames are coming back. Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah.
So House of the Dead, that's the UweBull film that Lou is suggesting. And you'll have more context in just a little bit when we get into the news. Alright, let us talk about our first story here, which is, we're going to start with some sad news here. And that is that Tony Todd has passed away. You may know him from Candyman, but also he was the lead in the Night of the Living Dead remake in 1990, which we talked about on this show not too long ago. So he passed away at the age of 69.
And if you're a video gamer like Lou and I, you probably know that he was cast as Venom in Spider-Man 2 as well. But he's got, I mean, hundreds of credits. He was very busy right up until his death. And it was a sad news. I mean, 69, that's so young, you know, like that's, that's so soon. It's young and I believe his cause of death is still not officially listed. Yeah, I was going to say I don't think it's been sort of detailed.
Although I know, I know it shocked, you know, fans around the world because like I said, he was just doing the rounds of publicity for Spider-Man 2 being the voice of Venom. Obviously, he had that role in the Candyman, I guess, not reboot, but the reboot sequel or what do they call it? There's like a word for it when they bring back a series from the back of the day and they do a follow-up sequel. I don't, I can't remember what it's called. I guess you just call it a sequel.
According to IMDB, because it wasn't posted there a couple days ago when this article, when the news broke, long illness, that's all it says. Okay, well, that's, and again, it is very sad news and we will miss him. And Lou, you had the idea that we would do sort of a movie discussion and tribute to Tony Todd because he was a big part of, you know, Night of the Living Dead and Candyman and a bunch of other credits. And you suggested the Crow from 1994.
Yeah, we talked about doing another zombie movie with him in it. And in his credits, I could only find about maybe four that could be considered zombie movies. And two of them were really recent and they were like ones and two said on IMDB. And I was like, if we're going to talk about Tony Todd, I don't want it to be something that's a one or a two. I'd rather talk about something that he has a, that is more interesting.
And the one that jumped out to me that I guess could kind of be a zombie movie if you think about it is the Crow. Tony Todd is not a major character in it. But if you look at his acting history, he is very rarely the main character of anything. He's usually a side character or a bit part. But I know that he has a significant role in the Crow. I believe he's one of the bad guys that's brought in to take out the Crow or something like that. It's been a few years since I've seen this.
So I thought this might be a nice trip down memory lane for all of us. And we get to talk about Tony Todd. And I'm sure we'll talk about Night of the Living Dead while we talk about the Crow. So I thought that this would be like a nice sendoff for him. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And we did just do Night of the Living Dead 1990 pretty recently. I feel like not maybe a couple of years ago. Like in the last year or two. Yeah. So otherwise we would have, we would have jumped straight to that.
But yeah, I haven't seen the Crow in a long time. I remember watching it, not maybe at least a decade ago. And yeah, that movie also has a lot of history to it. And it's sort of production story. And I didn't realize Tony Todd was in it. So when you suggested it, I was like, okay, yeah, we can make that work and we'll watch it. And we've discussed less connected stuff. You know, we've had all episodes where we talk about Call of Duty. So it's fine.
Yeah, not a whole episode, but you know what I mean. I know. So yeah, Tony Todd, we're definitely going to miss him. And yeah, we'll talk more about him and his work on our next episode with the Crow. Now let's get back to another film adaptation. The House of the Dead is getting another crack at the big screen with Resident Evil Director Paul W.S. Anderson. And I was like, I was thinking to myself, like, am I crazy? Did they not already do this?
And then I remember, oh, right, who they bolded it. It was an UV Bowl film. Yes. Yeah, you a UV Bowl train wreck. And they're going to give it to Paul W.S. Anderson. And then when you read the plot, you're like, yeah, this sounds like a Paul W.S. Anderson. It only basically slightly covers the original plot of the original game, not that there's much in a light gun game, but it covers it lightly. He throws in some characters with names you'd recognize if you've played the games.
And other than that, it's going to have almost no connection. Yeah. The sad part is that based on if your only connection is the UV Bowl movie, this is going to be a major improvement, but not by much. Well, I mean, just from an effect standpoint, I mean, that's going to come a long way. It's interesting that we are still in this phase of like everything gets an adaptation.
I thought we were at a point where video game adaptations were like a step above where it's like, okay, like we're not going to license everything, but we're going to try to develop the prestige stuff now. Like the God of Wars, the Last of Us, the Mario's, the Zelda's. Well, yeah. According to this article, Sega has been very hesitant after failures like what they had with the UV Bowl movie.
And they've been kind of pulling the Nintendo strings where they're kind of like playing everything close to the chest. And apparently the sonic movies and the amount of money that in popularity that those sonic movies have made has kind of made them reconsider. Oh, I can see that. Yeah. I mean, those sonic movies are, they're okay. Violet loves them. I know. Yeah. Kids love them. I think they're okay. They're not bad.
I mean, we watched them during the pandemic before just before Violet was born and I think just after she was born. And we liked them. We're like chomping at the bit for new ones, but we watched them the other weekend with Violet and literally she was like, is there more daddy? I want more. And then I thought, oh, yeah, there's a third one. And I thought it was already out. Like I thought it had already come to theaters and like left.
And then I looked it up and I went, oh, it comes out Christmas weekend. I guess I know what we're doing over Christmas. Yeah, they got you. They got me. Like, I'm in the same boat. I'm in Sonic 3. It's probably going to be a Christmas break movie and that makes sense. So I hadn't really made that connection, but you're right. Like Sega is doing a big push to license their IPs. They just had a Yakuza, like a dragon series for Amazon Prime. Localized to Japan. It was a Japanese production.
I don't know how well it's been received. I watched it. But I enjoyed it. It's cool. It's a little different than the games. It's less goofy and more serious. But I was expecting that because it's hard to translate the goofiness of a Yakuza game to a movie or a TV show and sell it. You'd have to try real hard. It would be for a very niche audience, whereas leaving some of that stuff out works better. I enjoyed my time with it. It was nice to see characters that I like in live action.
And if it wasn't necessarily as good as I was hoping, I enjoyed my time with it. I will say this. Oh, the other thing I will say is the dub on Amazon Prime is excellent. Only if you've played the games because almost all the actors from the games seem to be doing the dubs of the voices of the characters in the... Wow, really? A bunch of them. I'm literally playing Yakuza 7 with Erica watching. And seriously, Erica goes, wait, is that the guy that's voicing him in the game? I think it is.
I'm pretty sure it is. Or they're using the same voice actors. So if there's a guy who voices the main character in 7, there's a mob boss. That the main character talks to in Yakuza. And it's voiced by the guy from 7. And so every time we heard a voice, it was like, wait, he's playing somebody in 7. Is he playing the character? He's playing in 7 in this? Like, they did a... If you like the Yakuza games, the voice actors are the same, basically. That's really cool. That's a good opportunity.
I mean, you have a full English cast and you can do the dub. And that's a neat idea. Yep. Well, there you go. House of the Dead, getting another film adaptation, Sega, is looking forward to some more entertainment money. It seems to be busy at the household of Paul W. S. Anderson and Miele Joe Vitch. They must be discussing dinner plans and be like, oh, while we can also make some zombie movies, because I believe they're still married, right? Yes, they are. As far as I know.
Yeah, I haven't looked it up lately. I'm assuming they're still married. But Miele Joe Vitch and Betty Gabriel are set to battle zombies in Twilight of the Dead. This is the long-in development final script from George Ermero that he was trying to shop around before he passed in 2017. And yeah, they're making it. It's got financing. It's got actors. It's got a director. We don't have a trailer yet, though. We don't have a trailer yet.
But the interesting thing to me is the director is Brad Anderson. And I went, oh, come on. Don't tell me he's related. There's no relation. And he's also known for making movies like session nine and the machinist, which are both excellent movies if you like horror. Is the machinist a horror film? It's a horror thriller with Christian Baal. It's the one he lost all the weight for. I've never seen it. I just know that he, like you said, he lost all that weight.
You're in for a ride with that movie. Okay. There you go. That's an interesting, like, that's a stacked cast. I mean, it's been a while since a George Ermero film has had that kind of Hollywood behind it, right? Yeah, I mean, Brad mostly does TV stuff for the most part. He does a movie every once in a while and they usually well received, but he's mostly a TV guy. So I wouldn't be surprised if because of his TV time directing, he hasn't helped line up some people for this thing.
And especially there's been a lot of love for Ermero in the last few years. I'm hoping that this is good. It certainly can't be worse than Ermero's last film, which I mean, as much as I love Ermero, those last two movies are kind of bad. Yeah. They were not good. They're not good. I don't even think we watched them on the show. I think we did. Yes, we did. We did? We did. We watched both of them. There's diarrhea of the dead. And I think we watched one of them. What was the other one?
Diary of the dead. And there was another one. Oh, maybe I am, Mr. Remembering. Maybe we did watch it on the show. You're right. There are two of them. Okay. Well, this is also interesting. You have veterans makeup effects designer back, Greg Nicotero. So he is going to return to his of the dead roots and take a break from the walking dead and do the effects for this film too, which I think is very fitting. That's a nice touch. Well, he's probably doing it as a favor and that's cool.
Yeah. I think that's cool. Yeah. The Remarrow's last three movies were Land of the Dead, Diary of the Dead and Survival of the Dead. Okay. The Survival of the Dead. Yes. It's the one with the zombie horse. You say that like I should remember. The girl rides the rat. The zombie chick. The girl rides the rat. The zombie girl rides around on a horse or a zombie horse. And I just remember rolling my eyes at the concept. Okay. Yeah. You're right. We did watch it August 2013.
The episode is called Survival of the Irishman in Delaware, episode 35. And you sure we watched? I could have sworn like I watched these for something else. Nope. We watched it for this show because I wouldn't have watched it otherwise. I don't like this movie. I don't think we watched Diary of the Dead because it's not coming up. I don't. Maybe we skipped Diary. Diary is not bad. Diary has its moments where there's definitely some moments in it that are kind of cool.
But it was trying to do the found footage type of thing. Yeah. And that was interesting for a zombie movie. Survival of the Dead I feel like was like his last gasp at trying to make a low budget because he's always been sort of a low budget indie guy. Sure. And it felt like that was what he was trying to do here. And at this point in his career, Romero was living in Canada. So almost all of the actors you'll recognize from Canadian TV. Okay. Almost all of them.
Yeah. Like when I watched the music, I know that guy. I know that person. I know that person. Why do I know these people? And then I would be like, oh, yeah, that's right. They were in some Canadian show I watched. Diary of the Dead may have been one of those things where it was like we have to take a break. And then we never went back. Yeah. So there you go. I'm sure that that might be the case. Yeah. Well, let's talk about some greener pastures here with a sequel.
And I don't know if we should take credit for this, like putting it out into the universe because we just talked about Blacksheet. But it's getting a sequel to the 2006 cult classic. I was so excited when I saw this because I was like, wait, we literally just talked about this movie like weeks ago. Yeah. And now this announcement that there's going to be a sequel. Nobody knew what this is.
Whenever I've brought this movie up, even in horror circles, people are like New Zealand horror movie about sheep. What are you talking about? Like I've actually had to explain to people, but like, it's not real. And I've had to like send people the IMD be like, it's real. I'm telling you. It's real to me, dammit. You know, it is for you now, because it's for you now. You're scarred for life.
Yeah. Yeah. So Blacksheet 2, original writer, director's coming back, lead actor Nathan Meister is returning. It looks like it's going to be a proper follow up. It's taking place, you know, in the hometown that is, sorry, this, a young scientist who is convinced that a dangerous new pathogen threatens the population and tracks it back to her hometown, which just happens to be located in the shadow of the remote sheep station where the Macabre, I'm saying that word wrong.
Macabre, that's not right. Well, where the events of the original Blacksheet unfolded. So I mean, that sounds like a really proper sequel. It's going to start shooting in March or April 2025 in New Zealand. So it sounds like it won't be a wait. I'm going to rent it as soon as it becomes available. I'm excited. Yeah. And we will talk about it on the show. We will damn right talk about it. I might make you watch it again. That's fine. We'll do it.
Well, more 2025 news as we round out the segment, Max or HBO Max or whatever they're calling it. I think it's Max now. They have revealed that the last of a season two will premiere in spring 2025. So after March, basically, I think I got my seasons right there, right? Spring 2025 would be like April-ish. Yes. But that's all we got. That's the only update I have for it. There's no full trailer, just the fact that we did get a trailer for it.
But they did a bunch of announcements for Max on stuff coming back. And it sounds like spring 2025 is going to be their big push for the last of us, followed by August 2025 for a peacemaker season two. So. Hey, I'm just surprised that's getting a sequel. Well, I mean, it was James Guns baby, right? Like the first season. And it was pretty good. I watched it. It was good. I like it. I don't have a complaint.
I'm just saying it's I was I'm curious to see what James Gunn does with the rest of the DC universe. We'll see. You want to wait long Superman's out in July, not not a long wait. So yeah, but the last of us will arrive in spring. So you have that to look forward to. And it is the adaptation of their thinking like the first half of part two or a chunk. I'll say of part two. So look forward to that.
And now that we're through the news, we have our main topic, which I don't think we talked about already. We're going to be discussing the conclusion. Oh, you hinted at it at the start of the show. Daryl Dixon is in his European adventures. We're going to wrap up those episodes in, well, on the other side of this. Look at how we have to hide from the hungry ones on the rooftops and the sellers. Our children, all they've known is fear. Right? And what of their children, the living coward?
The numbers dwindling, the dead flourishing, the natural order of things twisted and perverted beyond comprehension. Some people believe the world is ended. But God is also dead. That is why we must find him. The world must see that God is still here and the boy is proof. That was faith is. If you need proof, you've already lost it. So late.
Oh, I love that intro. I love that music. It's so good. The intro is so good. It's a very good intro and Yeah, we're talking about Daryl Dixon We've watched the complete second season, which is subtitled the book of Carol because creatively carols in it. Yep, they looked at Book of Bobefett and thought let's do that title type It wasn't a bad call. No, it's not. It's fine. I'm just making a joke. I like the book of Bobefett
I thought people were too rough on it. I would agree with you. I would agree with you But this isn't a Star Wars podcast Some people went into that expecting way too much Yeah, well, I get it. Bobefett is a beloved character who you know died after getting a half-hour of screen time So I mean I guess dude. I never thought he was dead
I've read way too many of the books to understand that he's dead. Well once they realized how popular it was They had to make him not dead You know, it's like well, we need to have a comic book that allows us to sell more toys
Um, but that's not what we're here to talk. We're not here to talk about Star Wars We're here to talk about the book of Carol Darrell and Carol are reunited as they try to get back home But in true walking dead fashion trouble is always around the corner or in this case in the channel So Lou what did you think of the Well This season I was gonna say the conclusion, but we already know there's a season three It ends on a I guess I would call it a cliffhanger, right? Because they're
Kind of trying to get to the place. So there was one thing about this that I both loved And kind of hated I think I lean more on the fact that I think I might have liked it more because of this And that is that
So from episode we're only six episodes and it felt like the season the episodes we talked about before One and two plus plus three we're like a buildup of what was going to come and once we got to episode four it felt like It was nonstop like it once Carol meets Darrell the show kind of never stops Yeah If there is a low it's like you get a five minute low and then boom it's back on the like we got to go
Yeah, yeah, it moves quick because it moves really quick. Well, it's a condense six episodes, right? So they got a no time to breathe And the thing is is I like the fact that at the end of I think it's episode four um Darrell kills uh jennette yeah, and she dies And you're like well now who's gonna be the bad guy now And then it's revealed that uh the guy from the
the the religious guy that's kind of like thinks that he's the Messiah and tried to sacrifice Laurent It's a period of an intro that yeah He then becomes the villain again, and then by the end of episode five he's dead And I literally went into episode six being like so who's the bad guy now like I wasn't even thinking about the two ladies that were left being like like they're gonna be the bad guys I was like aren't they dead?
And then it's revealed that one of them is still alive, and I went oh all right cool So we went from having a big bad to big bad dies in episode four to like oh we got that secondary big bad Cool, they died in episode five to like oh we got a mini boss Yeah
I was like you know what I kind of like this the walking dead never usually does this usually like like Jennette would die in episode six and I'm like I kind of like the fact that this show I think the thing I enjoyed about this show is that the writing doesn't feel like regular walking dead Rarely do they make a decision or go in a direction that is regular walking dead Um except maybe the end of the sixth episode, but we'll get into that in a few minutes
Yeah, that was annoying. Yeah, we'll talk about that for sure Uh, I think you're right about the whole Jennette thing in her passing in episode four in In a tradition it would feel like they would save that big death for the end of the season
Or like it would happen the end of the very last scene of see episode five and episode six would be them us dealing with the aftermath Of what happened and we really didn't even get aftermath of what has happened No, well, I think what they did in this season is they were trying to Clear the board of people that would chase Darrell that's what it felt like to me um In that they made the good well the people who we thought were the good guys at the end of season one
The folks at the nests and the guy you heard in the clip were revealed to be bad guys. Yeah They're just a different side of the coin of you know, they're also bad and in the sense that they believe that Laurent is the chosen one He's immune and to prove God exists. They are going to have him be bitten uh and And and that's when Darrell sort of rescues Laurent and ends up tearing through the nest and then uh, which there was an amazing
um, I don't know if you remember this depending on when you watched it, but I have a note here. There's an amazing this is a trend Uh, in a bit of a trope now after daredevil did it, but there's this amazing one take hallway fight in that episode um, it was very good like they let Darrell cook with that one and he's just It was it was a one shot sort of hallway type fight and it was really well done I don't think we've seen anything quite like that in the walking dead, but like Darrell is so
He's been around long enough where he is like honed his skills as a fighter that A hallway fight is both believable and not like this like sloppy mess of People who don't know how to fight fighting. It's it's a bit messy But when you have like at least one person knowing what they're doing It it works from an action standpoint and it feels believable Uh, and I thought that was a really good piece of acting there I feel like all the action throughout the entire run of this so far
This has been us even to me it feels like a step above what regular walking dead has done. Yes Yeah, I agree And mostly because they're not really killing a lot of zombies. They're really fighting amongst themselves And a lot of the combat and the action sequences
Feel fairly believable. Yes. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. There is a scene with Darrell and a rifle in these episodes six Where two guys take pot shots at him and then without even looking he games to a sniper rifle at two dudes and like headshot headshot And I was like I'll give it to him because it's Darrell But if this was not a Darrell show if this was just a random dude, I'd be like that doesn't happen. Sorry Yeah, they kind of make him out to be this he is you know
Uh, Jack of all trades he's able to like can't like I think after a couple episodes. He was rocking the Um, I want to say mace is that what it is like the the the bowling shale the flail. Thank you Um, and it's just it's so medieval but like It is but it is but it what he carries that around but they don't do if I remember right because it's been a while since I watched the first season
There is a scene where he's picking up weapons in that room that the nuns have yeah, and he picks it up and spins it around a little bit And she looks at him and he's like I gotta get some practice or something like that he has a line
So it's not like he just picked it up and knew how to use it. It's like he picked it up and he played with it for a while before they journeyed Yes, yeah, there was some training montage in there and and again like and I'm okay with that I like the fact that they picked a weapon that's not Normal right Yeah, when he pulls that out and has the fight with uh
Uh, the big bad and episode five. I was like all please tell me he's gonna hit that guy in the head And he hits him right in the face and you see the bad guy like literally like his head whips back and he grabs his chin And I'm like all please hit him again hit him again It's uh
Like this as you said it moves very quick and And they set up mostly everybody to be Against Darrell and Carol and and Laurent um in their journey to escape France against them and I mean there are a couple loose threads at the end of the season, but for the most part they are
Free and clear to leave. I'm pretty sure all the bad guys bite it at the end of the at the end of uh, the their journey in the begin which I would say is to be midway through episode six As soon as Laurent gets on the airplane and flies off to supposedly the Commonwealth
At that point the chick that was trying to that was was the big bad the big bad She's been bit and she's literally just chasing the kid to get the kid get Laurent so that she can like Do what she thinks is like like she's a zealot Yeah, and when she realizes she lost and she's already been bit
She she bites the bullet herself. She literally sticks the gun in her mouth and pulls the trigger And they don't show it to you which I thought was in good taste for what most of the time walking dead will do but it was That's not a typical walking dead ending. No, no usually Usually you would have the bad guy guns blazing until the bitter end right and uh, yeah really she was It was all about Laurent like and their faith was tied So much to the basically sacrificing a kid
You could see it on all their faces is the plane flew off that all of them were like All hope is lost Yeah, well it goes back to the clip like that we played at the beginning where you know the idea of Faith isn't that you need proof faith is faith, you know, it's it's not like yeah It's like when you think of proof you think of you know scientific proof and there's no right That's the idea of religion is like well, you don't need proof you have faith right and and that's yeah
What you know the at the end of that clip the character was talking about is like well if you feel that you need proof Then you've already you've already lost it like You know and it's like I think I said it in the last episode Why do they need to have the kid be bitten if they really believed that the kid was gonna was immune Stick him let him bleed a little in a jr or in a thing and then Stick the stick a dead body part in and then put it on a microscope and see if his blood cells are
Or like see if the virus is attacking him or if his immune bot is is immune system is fighting the thing a Sure technology is Gone away a lot, but you can't tell me that somebody doesn't have a microscope some way that they could figure out Yeah, you you could explain that away as You know them not having the technology. I think you can hand-wavered away But him going back to the commonwealth is an interesting approach because
They might have the equipment there. I Think it makes next season more interesting not having Laurent around Yeah, oh, I agree with you there like I not that I dislike Laurent. I think Laurent was one of my favorite characters just in general um But I think that he was slowing down what was going on Yes, the progress of the story was tied very much to Laurent and and you know, he's
He's a kid a kid that you know did get some defensive Training but not enough to kind of hold his own and I don't think we want like another sort of you know Season where you are dragging this kid and he is having to hold his own and that's not
We know that's not interesting to watch and we know that AMC isn't capable of writing kid that So no and and I think I I think that we will get next season We're gonna get the Carol and Darrell like rush hour It's them running from point to point to point trying to find a way home
And I think that that's going to make for a much much more interesting Uh show especially if so We've been led to believe it's gonna take place in Spain Yes, but if we're gonna talk about the very end of this episode So supposedly Somebody had one of that one of them knows somebody has been on the radio with people from Scotland Who know a way to England so that Carol and Darrell might be able to find a way back to America via England and I when I When I
When they had that conversation in the show I went wait then I'm going to Spain and Then we go into the channel apparently they're going to travel through the channel to England yeah And I immediately got vibes this I don't want to say this is where I think
The show went more walking dead than more AMC walking dead than I was expecting And that is as soon as we stepped into the channel I knew something was off because our two uh Companion our two companions that are bringing them there that are supposedly Gonna help them bribe their way across
Yes, right yeah when they get first introduced and they look in the basket of things that they're gonna use as supplies They send them back over to To England There's a look on her face when she looks at her partner Is looking in a face like I was hoping for more and I just shrugged it off Until we got to the channel and when we got to the channel and they went inside I could see this look on the face because they're talking like oh yeah, we just did this trip
We just did this trip. Oh, it's a piece of cake. We just did this trip and they say oh Get out the things we're gonna have to bribe the soldiers when we get there and when you get there the soldiers are skeletons Yeah, and I went either this is bad special effects on AMC's part
Or these people have full of crap. I think you and I differ on this in the sense that I like so We don't differ in that we didn't enjoy the ending to the season because it is very much typical trophy the walking dead But what I'm about to say doesn't change that but what I what I thought was like oh
The the backwano which immediately made me think of ace Ventura pet detective ah, but the backwano that drives them crazy or makes them see hallucinations I assumed that these folks did come through the channel and they thought they were talking to soldiers because they were also
hallucinating which would also explain why they didn't know what was going on No, and there's a reason why okay, he turns on all the lights down there Yeah, right and Her first steps is she goes into a tent and she pulls back a piece of tarp Which has two face masks prepped and ready to go Oh, okay
Seems like an awful long way to go to rob like this is and I think this is where it kind of falls apart is that them robbing Darryl and Carol and the French dude just doesn't feel like A smart move or a move of any kind of that just it doesn't make any sense, you know Well We don't know what England looks like on the other side right England could be England could be worse off. Well, they said oh yeah the king the queen and the
We have we they they locked everything down. They made it sound like England was that was the other part I knew well how I knew they were full of crap is they talked about England like oh yeah We locked down we survived this. This is peace of cake. This is nothing The monarchy forever kind of thing and I was like and then they made some kind of joke about yeah the English But we're Scott we're Scottish or whatever and I just remember thinking
If England was locked down and all of this was good We'd have heard about it and even regular walking dead, you know what I mean England would be like trying to figure out what's going on with the rest of the world if If they were a fully functioning Autonomous thing There's no way this is is good as they made it sound out to be
You know what I mean? Yeah, I think whatever I feel like whatever happened in England England is so bad off That these two have done everything they could to survive and they've realized that the only way they're gonna survive is that England is out of
Supplies for them or the cities are too dangerous to be in and so the answer is We'll go through the channel will go into France and we'll steal supplies and then we know to wear masks So we'll just sneak back across back to England and go back to our marioway up where our supplies again
Let's go sneak back into France. Yeah, and I think like no matter what way you slice it. It still sucks that they went They ended this strong season on such a Trophy walking dead and what does it serve right like what and all honestly the reason all of this happened and I
I could tell you right now from a from a from a producer standpoint They needed a new cast They needed a way to write every single character out so that the next season is just Carol and Darryl as the leads Oh, and then they get injured and they can introduce a whole bunch of new characters What easy away because they we had the guy with the we had the guy with the eye patch we had
I'm sorry as much as I like the show I could never remember any of these people's names. Yeah, but we had the guy we had the guy we had the guy with the eye patch and and the the other guy stayed behind with the the new girlfriend and then Carol and and and Darryl and the eye patch guy uh
Went in with the kid went in with the other two people. Yeah The Scottish folks Scottish people and I was like there's no way that it the There's no way that the three of them are going to make it to the other side him and him and Darryl have become too close
The walking did has to do something to like make you go. Oh And it's gonna be that Carol and Darryl going to be on people walk out of this alive And that was it and then the but eye patch guy runs off into the cave and we never hear from him again Yeah, so they can either have him die off screen or pop back up right yeah Uh, honestly, I feel like they could have had them walk they could have had the The they could have done the backwondo they could have had them seeing hallucinations
They could have that whole deep song and dance, but you're right like now that you mentioned it like they did this So that they could reset The the characters to just be Darryl and Carol um to show that you know, they've left their only allies behind
um, but yeah for them to be just like bandits. It's just kind of like Kind of falls flat, you know I as soon as they started talking I just got vibes these people He digs out that bottle of wine and he's like yeah, we'll celebrate and I was like Yeah, this this is not this is this I get vibes that this is not yeah
Well, we talked about the end day we skipped over a big a big reunion. So what did you feel about uh Carol and Darryl reuniting but also in that same vein Isabel being killed off After sharing one scene with Carol Uh, I was uh of everything the thing that annoyed me the most about uh Isabel's death was that it's just she gets stabbed in the gut. She doesn't really go out with a bang I was hoping that like she was gonna be like I'm dying give me a hand grenade
Let them let them come into the room and I'm gonna blow them up. Nope. She just kind of dies Yeah, and I was like Man, that's kind of lame. I wanted battle priest Uh battle none to go out there go out to go out with a blaze of glory and she just kind of went um
Yeah, and I mean it was fine. I liked it The one thing that all walking dead does and I just I hate it It's so tropey and I think walking dead over does it is so sure hallucination what is Darryl see Darryl sees asabel Well like as like they did they've done this when when when when somebody was dying and every version of the walking dead Somebody gets bit gets drugged somebody gets close to death
Somebody's on the cusp of dying and when they get they get visions of characters from prior seasons that died and I'm like Please don't do that and then they did it and then the kicker for me was they they they make Darryl see his grandfather on the battlefield in
World War II and I was like really if they did that Real season and I was kind of like you're going back to that well like really like like I got it when they went when he goes When he's standing at the cemetery at the end of the first season And you see him looking at the headstone of his grandfather
I thought that was a cool moment, but it was like why are we gonna do that again? Yeah, why I don't know I felt like they Maybe they didn't know how to stick the landing It really feels like they didn't know what they were doing at the in this last half hour of the season, you know
It feels like there was a conflict in the writers room where they were writers being like no we're on to get a bite Get bit and we got to find out if he's a I think a immune or not and then there was another bunch of writers being like we can't kill a kid No, we've done that too many times
And then there was another group of things and let's just get the kid out of the thing all together and let's start over again It feels like there was a debate in the writing room on how to end this and that they couldn't come to a consensus
So they kind of just threw everything at the wall and see what stuck and that's another good point You brought up like Laurent leaves with ash and I really was worried how they were gonna handle The the ash carol situation and I felt like they did a really good job of
Of addressing it quite quickly and it felt believable like ash was very upset with carol and and he was he wasn't like belligerent towards Darrow but like was You know shared his frustration with Darrow that like hey like I was brought in here under false pretenses
Like I I don't feel any obligation to help you any further But when he's presented with the option to bring Laurent home with him Uh, he does warm up to that because again, it's not the kids fault You know and both carol and Darrow like like don't like one of us or whatever
But like we got to get this kid out of here Yeah, and there's the dilemma of the plane like Ashes like well even if we all even if we were all on good terms like one of you has to stay behind and and I thought it again they played with that really well where like carol is telling um Ash that she'll stay behind and then Darrow is telling Laurent is that he'll stay behind you know and
I just liked I thought it was really well done that whole arc. I was worried that we're gonna fumble it like they have in the past You know and again, it wasn't anything that dwell done I didn't feel like any of this made the episode drag on it felt like Everything moved in a rather quick pace
Yes, it's just the end they didn't stick the landing and I honestly like I know they talked about at the end of season one how Darrow was supposed to go up through England to get a boat And that's essentially the path they're taking here through the channel And how they get to Spain and skip over France we were talking about that pre show of like if they go north Don't they have to go south again? I think they're gonna go north and then they're gonna take the coast and go around France
Into Spain. Yeah That makes sense and and and again, I think that this is all interesting If if if we get more than next season It is literally gonna be Carol and Darrell end up in Spain Spain is not where they need to be they're gonna end up in another European country And then from there, I think they'll find their way home Do you think season three is is the end like that's what they got in them? I think it might I don't think we get well, I think
Personally, I think three is the nice round number. We're gonna be done with it when we're done Yeah, if they try to do more than three, I don't think they can pull off more than four Yeah, I agree like if they go past three four has got to be Like bringing home guys like stop spinning your wheels Uh I get the sense they know that too The only way they could make it go longer is if when they get the spain something really interesting happens
Yeah, but I'm not sure that that's gonna happen. I don't think I don't think so either I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be a fun season and interesting, but I don't think like So interesting they got to spend three seasons there kind of interesting. I I think they'll continue their steady clip I mean, just look at fear the walking dead fear the walking dead never stayed anywhere more than like one season Yeah, true. They were they were motor and we went to
California and we went to the ocean we went to Mexico. We traveled through Mexico. We went to Texas. We went to Tennessee. We went to Towards Alabama, I think at one point and then kind of up the up towards the Midwest uh, uh, uh, the middle of the country and I was like They never stayed in any state or area more than one season for that show and it ran for what seven seasons eight seasons
When it ended. Yeah, I mean not to get off topic uh because I do have some clips, but is that not the biggest like Loose thread of Morgan being like I'm gonna find you I'm gonna find my friend Rick if you're out there and he leaves fear And he is just dangling like Rick is back home
Like when do we get like that storyline, you know Looked at you know, Darrell You think when Darrell comes home Morgan is there already and it's like hey, I found Rick You know, I have a funny feeling That we're going to get If we do get a season four
Somebody's gonna chase Darrell across the ocean. Oh really I can see them if they if they if we don't ended at season three and they go for season four I can picture season four or five being that whoever Darrell makes upset In this next truck the next season in space chase Darrell They're gonna chase Darrell and when Darrell goes back to the Commonwealth
He's gonna get back to the Commonwealth. He's gonna find Rick and be like oh man, it's Rick And then trouble's gonna happen and then Morgan's gonna show up and save the day Okay Well one can dream uh, but uh yeah, it's fanfiction, but let me live with it. I'll let you live with it Let's do some clips here. So of course I clipped pretty much everything where Darrell is speaking French
Uh, like he's been he's been immersed in the language. So we get a lot a lot of clips like this Depeisant What It's a French word Means uh place that makes you see things different Oh I love that moe like Carol and Darrell have been separated they get back together in this like big bombastic moment of like traveling around the world to across the oceans to find each other and they just slip right back into this like into their
Good friendship, you know, and uh, I loved it. It was perfect. That's one of my favorite scenes Um, and then we have this one where they're arguing like an old merry couple I What what what please don't stop. It's a good show like an old night couple glad you're joining
I'm glad you're enjoying. He's like Harrison Ford uh the way he reacts to everything, you know except for 40 years younger uh Um, yeah, and uh oh We didn't touch on this but they go back to the French uh club that is there and the ladies running it now because I guess um, it's about The other guy died. Yeah, yeah
So uh, I had to clip this line. It maybe it maybe think of uh all my American friends We're looking for someone American Oh, people are everywhere It is kind of interesting because they're in France and suddenly like there's just all these Americans there Like it they just because it's an American show obviously have a lot of It it works because there's like three Americans and they're all kind of interconnected uh, but I thought it was a funny reaction to
uh to being asked where the other American is um, and then uh, I think Darryl uh farted so he said this There's no crack a window No, just needed to crack a window so we have that forever and ever Um, oh and uh lose good friends the Scottish get brought up They speak English they're from Scotland so no oh, there you go and uh, yeah, this is the last clip here I have before everybody got high on back one oh, so here you go What is that?
It said your brothers in arms So that's all he said, hmm Your French is getting better So They they uh those two characters are Darryl and I should know the guy's name because we'll call him i patch for now um They had a rough go and the beginning they were really they were pretty much friends and allies at the end uh
And that's why I was kind of annoyed by he when he freaked out and ran off. I was like, oh come on Yeah, because Darryl reveals that he didn't actually kill his brother it was It was the the bandits uh in the first episode or something and they lied to him
And he said really like she just told me that you did it and I believed you and I chased all you all over And I wanted to kill you and like what is it all He he was really like deflated at this moment where he realizes like all that hatred was unplace yeah and uh
You right it felt so cheap for him to like his hallucination like made sense in that he was he was hallucinating that His brother was there and then Darryl killed the zombie that he thought was his brother and And it reset the whole thing but for him to run off They got to bring him back. Honestly like I just feel as though
To have that redemption arc. I mean, although it's the walkie-dead. Maybe it's better if he walks away and gets out scot free Okay, it doesn't mean anything but IMDb always lists the actors and then how many Years they're gonna be on the show right and the only people listed as being in the credits for 2025 Which is next year which is next season the only people that show up are Norman Reedus and Melissa McBride
So only Carolyn Darryl are listed for next season. We don't have any Laurent. We don't have any ash Uh We don't have any of the ipatch guy Nobody So I'm curious is what they'll do again It's gonna be an it this show is this show is defied my expectations. It's doing weird stuff Yeah, and I'm cool with that his name is uh Stefan Code drone. Code drone is I think the guy name. They've been called never gonna. I'm never gonna pronounce it right
So I'm just gonna call my patch man. I patch man. I don't even think Stefan Codrolness is correct either so We we tried but um Yeah, I mean I
I definitely have been enjoying Darryl Dixon's adventures. We talked about it with the first season and then I was Pleasantly surprised by how good it was knowing that it felt kind of like a cheap Spinoff like oh of course you're gonna take the character that it that was super duper popular original to the show And give him more screen time But I think it it earned it it proved me wrong, you know, and uh
We'll see if Dead City does the same thing. It'll it'll be back in 2025 and we'll cover it here But I feel like that one was was a harder sell as well, and it didn't really sell like I think I think if they do more than two seasons of Dead City It'll be like a real struggle, you know Um, I feel like Dead City is trying them trying to hold on to regular walking dead They had the end regular walking dead and I have a funny feeling that next season of Dead City is gonna start feeling more like
Walking Dead continued. Oh, yeah, because they they essentially have reset the Negan, right? Like he's back like he's Uh-oh, I don't think they have I think that's what they want us to believe
And I think as soon as Maggie shows up again, he's gonna be oh thank god. I don't have to be this I don't have to be this anymore Yeah, you don't think that she'll see him Doing his old bit and then she'll It'll it'll reset her as well like you know, I think they're gonna see each other and she's gonna see him do something that looks Negan And he's gonna wink at her it give her like a wink and a nod being like I got to stay alive We're doing a role reversal here. Usually I'm the positive one
You're giving them a lot of credit. This show has shown me that walking dead is learned something I'm hoping the writers of Dead City learn something from Darrell Okay, I agree with you. I hope so too And we'll cover it in the new year when it arrives. It's gonna be a big year honestly when we do our year in preview Which we usually do near the end of the year slash started the next year Um, there's gonna be a lot to discuss and look forward to yeah, we get we get a lot of stuff coming
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