You're listening to the survival podcast for zombie nerds everywhere. Hello and welcome to Zombies Ate My Podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Murphy, and joining me as always is the Bizzamilor, Lou Page. How's it going, Lou? I want to go to a good aquarium now.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know what? That was a question I had. I wonder where they filmed this. Some of the aquarium shots looked familiar, and I was going to, I meant to look at it up at a time, because one of the, specifically the tunnel shots looked a lot like Ripley's Aquarium, which is in downtown Toronto. I really wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, honestly, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be a huge surprise. And for, you know, filming location was San Diego, California. Okay, so definitely not
Toronto. And I mean, aquariums, it was only that tunnel shot. It looks like it was the aquarium in Long Beach, California. Yeah. I think you also wonder like, wouldn't aquarium, so wouldn't aquarium want you to showcase, like the one thing an aquarium does not want to showcase is the glass breaking and the water, you know, rushing through like, they do it in jaws movies. No, I know, but, and I know they do it in movies, but I'm just thinking as like an on set location,
obviously people are going to figure out which aquarium it was. It just seems like bad press to have a movie showcase your location. Like, you had one job. The one job was to make sure the glass never breaks. Fair point. For the listeners, in case you haven't figured it out, we watch the zombie movie that takes place in an aquarium. We watched aquarium of the dead. That's true. Good. We have, we have thoughts and opinions, but we'll get to that eventually.
Lewis, correct. We're getting ahead of ourselves. We didn't even mention the film. We're just so caught up in this idea that we put ourselves through this. Everything about this movie is more entertaining than the movie. Yeah. I think the next hour of your time of us discussing if we make it to an hour, but I'm sure we will because we do have thoughts not necessarily on the film, but like, on everything associated with, as you saw, we started talking about aquariums.
So we're going to talk about aquarium in the dead tonight in a silent film. Lewis and I were trying to decide, like, because I had said, I think this is my first asylum film that I've actually, I've actively avoided them. And that may be true, but then Lewis reminded me that Z Nation was asylum and it explains why I stopped watching it because like, an hour and a half movie is about all you can do. Yeah. Now how it worked out, but like the premise of watching
more than an hour, it's just I struggle with it. And I know Z Nation, look, I watched enough Z Nation to know that Z Nation was better than aquarium of the dead. I sat through two seasons of it, dude. I sat through two seasons of it. It had DJ quails in it, which I think like elevated it. I didn't need to die in that. Did this movie needed DJ quails? Yes. They should have had him as the overarching character. I might have actually been entertained. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're getting,
yeah, you're right. We're getting, we're getting sidetracked again. So we need to talk about something else. I also don't want to like prove the point of like, maybe we need to watch more of these because look at these conversations we're having. We're not going to give a sound satisfaction. No. All right. Let's get into the news. The virus has completely devastated over 150 of the world's major regions and then is spreading rapidly.
So Lou, you and I are both gamers and a video game that we missed last year that had zombies. Very zombie focused was dead Island to I know it's on my list to check out now that it's on Game Pass. But it has an expansion pass and it just got new content. A bunch of new zombie variants added in the so so la the expansion so la I think it's so I watched there's a trailer for it as well.
It's about like a music festival and the game is set in LA. So it's like this music festival and it just it looks like it takes the concept of dead Island to and just runs with it and applies like a sort of music festival feel to it. So you're kind of running around, you know, like a burning man or or you know what I mean, you say music like this big open area of a music festival. They'll have stages. I'm sure there'll be set pieces where you're like fighting zombies to like some
soundtrack or whatever. But there's a bunch of new zombie variants and they detail it in this article and it's it's good to see that they are adding more content to it. It is odd that they like they sold the initial game with an expansion pass. I think this is their first big addition to the expansion pass. I think it is. Again, this just showed up. I forgot all about this. We've talked about it on the show, but I've always been like, eh, it's not on steam. Eh, it's not on steam.
Eh, it's not on steam. And I just I booted up my steam deck the other day to play something and what did the storefront pop up with? Hey, dead Island too. And I went, huh, maybe it's playable on steam deck and it's actually 50% off right now. Uh, if you want to pick it up on steam. I have 20 games, but okay, I'll think about it. I'll think about it. Yeah, I, uh, my biggest thing about dead Island to, um, it was the price of admission at launch. It was like one of those games that was
weirdly more than the MSRP. Like that it was like 95 dollars or something to buy. Yeah, the uh, companies keep doing that where it's like the, the initial price now they want for a game is 70 bucks. And that's just, I get the companies want more, but I feel like if you're gonna keep at it, if you want me to pay 70 bucks, you can't advertise to me at 70 bucks. And hey, there's also an expansion, a, an expansion pass or a season pass. No, no, no, you want 70 dollars. You're gonna get 70 dollars,
but don't try and sell me on more stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I mean, this is, uh, it's, it's just, and then it kind of faded into the background. Like it came out, it did okay, and it just, uh, it left sort of our hearts and minds. But now it's on game pass. And I, and I do have like a list of games that essentially are like, as soon as I re-subscribing and to check these out. And I think dead Island 2 is like kind of above the rest in a sense of like, I think I will play this before I play,
the other one that's like this with parkour. Oh, dying light 2. dying light 2. I will probably play this before I play dying light 2. Yeah, that was another one we missed. And I've, I've, uh, I've kept an eye on sales and stuff. I've missed it because it doesn't run on anything I own. Yeah. It doesn't run on steam deck and it doesn't run on my laptop. So I haven't been able to play it. And I didn't particularly enjoy the first game. I've tried
to go back and play it a couple of times. And it's okay. But that opening beginning, it takes way too long to get the plot going. Like the opening, opening part of that game, it's like two hours before you really get the game mechanics. And I'm like, come on, man, I know the game mechanics. Can we just skip this plot? Can we just get ahead and it's like, no, no, no, you've got to do this thing so that we can teach you all the game mechanics. I'm like, no, no, I understand. Why
does this need to take two hours? Some JRPGs don't even do that to me, man. Come on. No, it's so true. Yeah, I remember that one having a long opening and dying light 2 is I've, I've gotten pretty close to hitting the buy button as I've seen a few sales. And I think you're right. Like when you compare the two, when you have, you have the option to check out dead Island 2 or dying light 2, I think I prefer
the dead Island 2 look and feel. And it's just a lot more cartoony and it's, it's more colorful. I think it just has a lot more going for it. The combat looks a little smoother in dead Island 2 as well. So I, it's one, it's, look, this year I will play it and we will talk about it on the show. It's kind of my goal is to, I'll re-subscribe to Game Pass at some point. And we will, we will find some time to fit it in. It's been a while since we've done a video game episode. So we might want to,
if it runs on Steam Deck, it might need some extra time to get verified it. Right now it's playable. So, you know, that'd be a fun one to discuss. Yes. Four listeners just so they know. I did grab welcome to Paradise, but I have not played it yet because when I bought it, it was on a, it was on a fanatical head of sale and the game was normally going for like 60 bucks and it was like $20 for one day only as a pre-order. It wasn't even out yet.
And I was like, well, as soon as I bought it and the game became available and I started reading reviews, they're like, yeah, it's buggy. It's broken. It's missing this. It's missing that. Content doesn't feel a thing. And so I've been following it and there's an update to the game probably about every three weeks and every three weeks, it's like they're adding something that was missing before the game launched. So I'm kind of like waiting for it to be a done product
before I bother playing it. Yeah. I think that was, and that's not an early access game, is it? Right? Like, no, it's not. It advertised it in the game. It's kind of like Pokemon where you, but you can catch zombies and make them your minions. And like the game was broken because you're supposed to be able to carry like three zombies with you. And they're supposed to like be your minions to fight for you. And apparently only one worked and the other two were only support
characters. And people were like, what's this? You only have one zombie that fights for you. And so they bit I think that's fixed now. I think two or three zombies fight for you now. But like, but like, there was some flack about it when it first came out. There are people, and so I was like, I'll wait. I'll wait till it's a done product. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And that's the other thing. You know, you get some games that
launch in a rocky state and you kind of want to give them some time. And I think, I think Dead Island 2, at least on the PC side, suffered from some launch issues. I mean, that's pretty calm in these days for PC games at launch. They just, you know, they need some time to sort of course correct for all the different hardware variations. So we will have video games back on the show eventually. And hopefully there'll be a big AAA zombie game that you and I
want to check out before the end of the year. And we'll see what that brings. This, I don't have this in the notes, but I meant to ask you pre-show, or at least at the top of the show, is sort of like some intro banter, but we got distracted by aquariums. Have you started watching the Fallout TV series on Amazon Prime? I have finished. Oh wow. Okay. You're ahead of me by four episodes. One night we watched all episodes in one night. How? That's eight hours. How did you do that?
It was a Saturday and we started it like four. Okay. Okay. And that's not, that's still two in the morning. So you literally watched it all eight episodes and you went to bed at like middle of the night. Yeah. Like I am impressed. I'm not surprised that show is for I've seen four episodes. It's fantastic. Fantastic. It's so good. And the reason I bring it up is like I think that
obviously the main one of the main characters literally called the ghoul. And there's a scene early on where they literally dig them up out of the ground and they sort of revive him or they bring him out of stasis or whatever. And they explore the mythology of ghouls too, right? Ghouls can't die from old age. They live forever. Yeah. And if they don't have like this drug, they they they go feral, right? Um, there's I forget what it is. It's not just the drug.
Ghouls go feral if they don't hold on to their humanity, I guess. I forget I forget the science behind it. But a ghoul can maintain it without a drug. It's they they have to they they it's and affects them all there different. And I believe the drug helps them maintain what they're there. Their humanity. Okay. Um, did you, uh, did you see that the follow four patch that just arrived? It added it's it's steam deck verified now. Does that that interest you? Do you
want to go back to play follow four at all? I might go back and start follow three again and then work my way through new Vegas and then four. Um, four is kind of my least favorite of the newer ones. Yeah. I'm trying to like I appreciate what it does, but it the city building stuff was way too much. It was way too much work. It felt like it was there to artificially make the game take longer. You never had to do it though, right? No, but if you don't, it adds a lot of other work to the game
and you constantly have to like go back and take care of other things and do all right. There was like outpost stuff that if you didn't build the base, it kind of made it so you'd get these like, hey, such in such a place. It's under a pack. Yeah. That makes sense. It's coming back to me. I didn't engage with that much either. And I agree with you. It was kind of like, uh, do I have
to do this? And I think I did ultimately ignore it for the most part. Uh, but I basic, the basic idea was I cheated at that point because it required way too much, uh, uh, materials to do anything. So whenever I found a town, I would, uh, cheat code and use command line to add the base materials. I needed to do stuff. I would build a wall, build a bunch of guns, plant some stuff so that the people could survive and then move on to the next one. And that way they would be self sufficient.
And I wouldn't have to keep going back. And that was what I used to do. Command line to do was to cheat so that I wouldn't have to play the rest. They have to deal with the mechanics of that all the time. That's fine. Yeah. No, I, I talked to a few people and, um, the gamers in discord about followed and, and how like they would use sort of god mode to, to sort of, yeah, on subsequent playthroughs, they would do it and,
and kind of just like, yeah, I beat it the first time with no, no cheats. And then I treated it like I treat Skyrim. Uh, I, I beat Skyrim three times with no cheats. And then afterwards I was like, this is boring. I just want to be a god and walk around now. I, uh, while I was watching Fallout, I haven't finished it yet. While I was watching it, I was like, man, I need to go play those games. And I had a similar yet different reaction to the Halo
show as I was watching Halo. I was like, oh my god, this is just not what I'm looking for. I need to go play some Halo games. Um, and I loaded up Halo two master chief collection and man, those games are so fun and like instantly transported back to that nostalgia, which is what I wanted the show to do. And it didn't, but for Fallout, it immediately transported me back to playing Fallout three in, um, in university, it was the first time I was living away from home with two
of my friends. We all got copies of Fallout three. And, uh, I remember, I, I'd ever beat it, but I, my roommate would beat everything. And I remember him playing it on the main screen and, and getting through to the very end. Uh, and new Vegas was one that I remember renting, playing, playing a bunch of, never finishing it. And then Fallout four, I looked at it. I don't remember beating it. I looked into it. I, I did 50 hours in. So maybe I did. I don't know.
I beat it, but I've beat it three times in this, uh, or I guess you could say the way I did what I did was I beat it. It just kind of is one of those games. And even after you get to the end, kind of just like keeps going kind of. Yeah. The world is stayed stays open, right? It's not like you. Yeah. Your character dies at the end. No. And, and the, the, the, the, uh, the bad guys, the, what are they? The, uh, I don't remember. Is it the Enclave? Not the Enclave. It's the
Institute. Oh, right. The Institute. I hate the Institute plot line. I hate it. Uh, there's, they did, they did, the game lines it up. So there's like five different factions. And by the end, you have to side with like one, but there's a way to side with like three of them and not the, it's way more complicated than it needs to be. And they hinted a plot line. And if you make one choice the wrong way, there's a line of dialogue. And you think they, I think they've changed
it since then because people had the same issue I did. There's a line of dialogue where you're not necessarily agreeing with the, with the Institute, but you're like, tell me what you want from me. And when you click that, it automatically would side you with the Institute. It was like a line of dialogue where you were like, explain to me what you're doing. Like I want to know. And like, when you clicked it, it would be like, okay, now everybody else is your enemy and you are now with
the Institute. And I was like, no, that's not what I wanted. I wanted them to explain to me. And if you don't, because I beat it really early, like within like, within like a week of launch. And that irked me the way they handled that. And that was one of the reasons why I don't go back to follow. Well, I mean, all that to be said, like, and you know, for this tangent, you've finished it.
Do you feel like there's enough there that we could do like a follow TV discussion? I did get to the point where yes, you do come across some additional goals and the sort of explaining. There's a bit more to it. Like it, I maybe has a mini discussion, but anyways, you already answered you said yes, I'm talking over you, but yeah, yeah, we could definitely, we could definitely
we could definitely talk about it on the show. There's enough, there's enough possibility. And I think the second season's going to lean more into I think, but I think a second season will definitely show more news. Okay. Well, yeah, we'll, I'll finish it. What might not be our main topic, but we might pair it with something. You know, maybe, maybe we have a light news week. Like I thought this week we were only going to have no stories. And then I just happened to
search Google News and three stories popped up. So, you know, you never know. And those other, two other stories, let's get to them. First up, it, look, 28 years later is just rocketing towards theaters because we are now getting more casting news. And Lou, 28 years later has added Jody Comer, Aaron Taylor Johnson and Ralph Fines to the 28 days later sequel. That is some crazy star power in terms of like where these actors are and the type of films they
sign up for. I mean, Aaron Taylor Johnson is going to be coming off of Craven. So let's not give him a ton of credit. Well, you, he's also rumored to be the new boss. I did hear that. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good dog. He's a great actor. He just, I'm just making fun of Craven. I, yeah, we'll see. Craven's not out yet. So I guess I shouldn't judge. But Jody Comer, Ralph Fines, it's, I mean, I'm not surprised by the star power. It's Danny Boyle. Danny Boyle kind of gets
what he wants. He's an Oscar winner now. I mean, I'm surprised he wants to do this. But the fact that if he wants to do it, he's going to do it the way he wants to do it. So I think that this is, I think this is an interesting, I'm not surprised he's getting these people. It just tells me that we're going to get, we're not getting it, we're not getting your stereotypical zombie movie. We're going to get something that's artsy. We're going to get something that makes us think. And then we
might get some gore. But I mean, I think that's what we're going to get. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I feel like there's high chance. I think we're going to get something political. I think that's my theory. I think we're going to get something political. Oh, you, I mean, I think Alex Garland may have got that system with Civil War, maybe, but you never know. You never know. I mean, maybe, like, I think that I think that the first two had, you know, they didn't shy away from touching on like political
or other issues. No, no, they did, they did, but I think that they think if that if we're getting these big names, I think we're going to see something with some political connotations. Yeah. And I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I just have a theory. I have a feeling. I think it makes sense. I mean, when you look at even the concept of the title,
28 years later, it's like, well, a lot has happened. And if this zombie thing is coming back or we don't know what the story is, but the fact that it's taking place 28 years later after the initial infection, it's like, well, you know, like that political makes sense. You know, other social issues tackled. I won't share share my theory, but I have theories. Yeah. Well, you should share it at some point. I mean, I know at some point, I don't think I'm
not ready to share them yet. Okay. You keep cooking on those. So alongside those additional actors cast, I didn't know this, but they are actually, they've already chosen a director for the second part with Nia DeCosta, who recently directed the Marvels, which I have not seen yet. I've kind of fallen a bit off of Marvel lately, but a lot of people have. So don't, so don't,
so don't, so don't tell you don't get to work them. No, I, I'm, I'm, it's, I think it's one of those things where it comes to Disney plus so quickly that I'm like, oh, I won't go to theaters unless I really, really, really want to see it like Deadpool and Wolverine, I'll go see in theaters. But I think because it comes to Disney plus so quickly, I'm like, oh, wait. And then it comes
to Disney plus and I'm like, I can watch it whenever it's never going to go off of Disney plus. So like, I can just, you know, echo, what if the Marvels X-Men 97, those aren't ever going to leave Disney plus.
So I can watch them whenever and I have the same issue with Netflix originals where it's like, I can watch it whenever I want, you know, like I don't need to watch it day and day, but I've also kind of fallen in the trap of, I know you do this, Lou worries, like you just read the plot of the Wikipedia article, you know, and I did that for the Marvels where I was just like, I'm not going to be able to go see it in theaters. I kind of want to wait for Disney plus. I want to
know what's going on. I think listeners of the show know this about me now. I don't care about spoilers. I find that if I know what I'm about to get into, I find I enjoy the film more. And with his exceptions, I don't like going into mystery movies knowing the plot because if it is or who done it, I want to be able to guess who did it. But if it's like a horror movie where there isn't really a, there really isn't a mystery. I don't mind knowing what's going in.
And I don't read it in depth and go, oh, this is where this happens. This is where that, I get the gist of what's going to happen. So that I'm not like, oh, that's a price when so and so dies halfway through the movie because something told me he was going to die halfway through the movie. Yeah. Oh, I think there's also like this idea that there's just so much content good and bad. And sometimes like, for example, like I think you need to know if it's worth your time.
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And other times it's just a curiosity thing. You know, like I think that there are certain things that like I want to check that out eventually like we just I brought up Alex Garland's Civil War. I want to see that. I don't want to see it. I don't need to see it in theaters, but I'm going to see it once it becomes available on digital. And I just went to the Wikipedia article just to get a gist of like what the story was and kind of ended up reading through
it. But as you said, like, you know, you you get sort of the bullet points of the plot. And even revealing some, you know, characters who pass away characters, you know, the progression of a character. But like, um, I won't do that with everything though. Like right now I'm reading
the three-body problem was recommended me by a bunch of friends. And then because of the Netflix show came up because I said, oh, I saw that I saw that previewed on Netflix and like, oh, you should read the book because if you don't read the book, um, you won't you won't want to read it after the show, which I think is, you know, probably accurate, uh, because it's all about the slow build and the mystery being revealed. And obviously it gets, you know, truncated in an eight
episodes series. So, but I don't want to read that. I don't want to read the plot synopsis for that because I think that would like ruin the journey. But also for 28 years later, I wouldn't read the plot for that because I get to movie I'm looking forward to seeing, you know. Uh, so it it depends on what the project is, but like, um, yeah, I don't know. There's just, it's just something I've started to do lately where it's just like, I'll tell you why I started doing it and why I
became a, I don't care about spoilers. Is there so much stuff out there? And I would get so hyped about something. And then I would go and watch it and it would let me down. Yeah. Or I would go into it with one expectation. And it would be one of those things where the marketing just didn't sell you the right story. So you'd go into it thinking you were going to get a superhero movie. And you weren't getting a superhero movie. You were getting a political thriller. You know what I mean?
With some superhero stuff. And or I would go into a horror movie thinking it was a slasher and come to find out it's not a slasher. It's a ghost movie. And I'd be like, oh, okay. They did not do a good job of selling me on this. And I kept walking out of stuff being disappointed. Or I'd watch a TV show thinking it was X and it would be Y. And I'd be like, oh, and so I would start to read spoilers on this stuff. And I would go afterwards. I'd be like, okay,
I know what I'm in for now. And then I would go into it with the right expectations. And it's just always worked for me. And I know a lot of people hate that I do this. And a lot of people don't like, like, my wife hates that I do it. She likes to go into things surprised. And I'm like, no, I'd rather know what I'm kind of getting myself into. I don't want to sit. I don't have the time to sit through two hours of a movie and expect one thing and find out it's something else.
And then be like, oh, okay, I spent two hours of my time. And I could have been playing a video game or I could have been watching another movie that I really wanted to watch. It's just always worked for me. Yeah. No, I do wish I had read like the Wikipedia plot for the Halo show. Like to watch season two, like I literally think that second season is enjoyable. If you watch it, if you watch it
with the recaps and watch episode one, four and eight, the recaps being before each episode. Because I think that that gives you the best Halo story and cuts out a lot of like the extra stuff that is, to me, it wasn't as interesting. There's a lot of filler. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I, I didn't read it into the Wikipedia article because I'm like, well, you know, I'm invested. I want to check this out. But like each episode is just like, man, I'm going to get to get back to like
the stuff that I want to see, which is like the Halo stuff. Like, you know, um, and I think that would have been a moment where reading through it. I could have been like, okay, like, so it's more of this. And I knew the rid from the reviews. It was more of what season one had to offer. But I, yeah, no, and I mean, you say people might hate you for it. But honestly, like, if there's one thing, like if you're surprised that Lou reads, where we read Wikipedia articles or whatever to get plot
of stuff, um, you know, Lou is, you're, you're very respectful of spoilers, though. You may engage with the spoilers and learn things without watching something and still enjoy the content. But Lou's always good to say like, do you mind, do you mind if I spoil something? Do you want, do you care if you're spoiled on this? Oh, no, I, I, I, I, I, I know people who get very upset if I spoil
things. And sometimes I don't want spoilers. Like, if it's something I know enough about that I know it's what I want to watch, because I've either read the book before or it's a sequel to another movie or it's a remake of something. So I've kind of know what I'm in for. I don't necessarily want the spoiler, but, uh, like I watched the new Evil Dead movie with no, I knew nothing. I only knew what
we saw in that trailer. So when I sat through it the first time, I was like, oh, boy, the only thing I knew from it was I knew that Bruce Campbell had a voice in a, you know, in a recording somewhere. And I was listening for that. But outside of that, I didn't know anything about the plot. I didn't know which kids were going to die. I didn't know if they were going to all die. I didn't know why they were in the woods in the beginning of the movie. I didn't know any of that. So that would,
I went into that movie completely blind. And I, but I knew that that's what I wanted to do. It's a, but nine times out of 10, I get splills. Yeah. No, I think that's, that's fair. Uh, well, um, I mean, you can probably tell we're avoiding our topic. Let's just go into the topic. No, I, I want to read this headline for you, Luke, because I feel like this is one of those things where we
it's not April fools. Okay. I'm going to read the headline post Malone and Michael Bay are creating a new IP universe about an 18 wheeler from heaven that fights zombies in medieval Europe. How does that make you feel? I literally thought it was an April fools joke. When I saw the headline, I literally texted this to Erica and her exact reaction to me was, I think this is an April fools joke. Why are you sending it to me? And I was like, no, no, no, the articles from two
days ago. I'm pretty sure it's not, it's not, it's not a, it's not an April fools joke. This is one of those things you hear about it. And you go, is it really a thing? Are we really going to get this? Or is this just something that got headlines? This is one of those things. I won't believe it's a real thing till we see something that's real. Yeah. It's not just people talking about it. Yeah. It's, and it's going to be a graphic novel. This isn't like a TV show or a movie like
they're starting small. Michael Bay is like invested in it because obviously like it's, it could turn into something down the road. But uh, Michael Bay at this point throws spaghetti at the wall and pray something sticks. Yeah. I mean, like you've got two big names and entertainment coming together for, I just think starting it as a graphic novel is, is, there's nothing wrong with graphic novels. Some of the walking dead started as a graphic novel.
Graphic novels are great. Graphic novels are great. I just don't think they have the market that they used to. There's so much other content out there now who are into comics and graphic novels are into comics and graphic novels. I don't think, I don't think by putting it out in another format, you're going to grab new new viewers that as easy as you would say a video game, a TV show or a movie or something. Yeah. They have the graphic novels have a fan base.
Yeah. Of course. Of course they do. Uh, I just, I just think in this specific regard, it's like, okay, the postman loan has this idea. He's pairing with Michael Bay to get the graphic novel out there. If it does well enough, it might get adapted into something, but at this stage, it feels like it's an idea that postman loan has once get out there. It's a watch, it's a read and watch and we'll see if it becomes a real thing. Yes. As Lou says, uh, I don't know what you're saying of like,
I'll wait. It's not real. So there's a trailer. How does it work for graphic novels? It's not real until I see some concept art. It's, yeah, it's not real till I see a concept art or a concept of a cover. Okay. This is just a press release at this stage. So, uh, I think you're right. The press release of, I'll be excited. All right. Well, Lou, let us get to our main topic tonight, which of course is aquarium of the dead as we've, uh, we've introred a few types. And, uh, as always,
we started with this. Okay. What is happening to them? They're dead, but not dead. Huh. I love that. Oh my god. Huh. Huh. Yeah. That was kind of how I felt most of this movie was. Huh. Why am I watching this again? Huh? Oh, um, not even IMDb wanted to give this movie the time of day because the plot summary is a scientific accident causes sea creatures in an aquarium to become zombies. Um, yeah, we watched, uh, we watched an asylum film aquarium of the dead. Yeah. No one made us do
this. Uh, this was definitely our own choice. Uh, uh, it wasn't like an extra life thing. It wasn't based on donations. I think it was just like, I believe lonely Bob recommended it and we went, uh, we should do it. Yeah. How bad can it be? Yeah. Uh, and I'm pretty sure I agreed to this, before I realized it was an asylum movie. And then when I realized it was an asylum movie, I think I messaged you and was like, Oh, God, we're in for a train wreck. Yeah. Um, I think my
thinking was like, we, we obviously, now we're a biweekly show. Um, we tend to focus more on the quality side of the zombie genre. We'll occasionally watch some stuff, you know, like, I mean, I won't lie. Have some, I love some really bad garbagey zombie movies. But when I watch a bad garbage zombie movie, that's fun. It's got something of, uh, it's got either Gore or a cool looking zombie or a, a, an art style I like or it's got, it's got some
character I like. And I just, asylum movies are just PG 13 paint by numbers made for TV movies. Yes. Yeah. Made for TV movie was essentially the feeling I got as, um, you know, the, I said, like, you know, it's just seemed like the, the whole, every actor in this film was like striving, like, their direction was to be just be as stiff and fake as possible. Like, don't, don't at all try to act. That's all asylum movies. I, when I finished watching this, I, I watched
this before bed. And then when my wife got up and when she was like, so I didn't hear you screaming. And I said, yeah, I played video games while I watched. So I didn't have to scream. And, and she was like, so how bad was it? And my exact words to her were, yeah, I'm sure, Vivica A Fox is in it. And about three quarters of her scenes are her in one room. So I'm pretty sure her filming was done in a single day. Uh, yeah, for sure. And like,
they try to play her up as the big hero. Uh, and she does something incredibly stupid. Uh, at the very end of the film where she like has an ex. Isn't it the end of, is it the end of the film? I thought there was still like a third of the movie left, which I feel like it was near the, I also watched this in like a second screen. Um, and honestly, I, I found it to be somewhat, look, I, I don't want, I know I'm, I'm usually Mr. Positive. I don't want you. Anyone to take
this comment with like, okay, great. Let's search suggesting some more bad bad zombie films. I have gone on record on the show saying that I am okay with watching good bad zombie films. Bad bad zombie films just are what kind of like brings the genre down a little bit. But, um,
I, I kind of, I did kind of enjoy having it as a second screen. It was, I get it. Look, I'd be working and you know, a lot of, you know, when I'm in this like coding copy pace, that's like saying, and I look over and I just be like, oh my god, shake my head like, what is going on now? And then go back to where you look over. It's like, what the heck is going on? It's for the life of me. I, um, people even talk about how they like Charcnato. And I've sat through it. And I got
kind of why people like it. There's absolutely nothing about an Asylum movie that is ever grabbed my attention. I don't like any of the characters. I don't find anybody relatable. They're so cookie cutter and, and, and one dimensional that I, like, I can five seconds into this. I was like, that person's going to die. This person's going to die. This person's going to be the hero. That guy's clearly the bad guy. That person is clearly going to get killed in the next five
minutes. Like I, and literally they always unfold exactly the way I want to, I expect them to. And nothing about the plot ever surprises me. I mean, this is called Aquarium of the Dead. And I kept wanting somebody to get killed by like sharks. Yes. Or like, like, I wanted somebody that the glass to break a room to flood and a shark to get
somebody a zombie shark or something. And glass break stuff happens. And the most entertaining thing for me in the entire movie is is at one point there's two dudes on an abandoned boat that they used to let kids climb on. If I understood the plot correctly. And, and, and they get attacked by a couple of CGI crabs that I think I've seen better looking CGI crabs in video games. And, and, and that was entertaining. It made me giggle. Yeah. But that was about the end of it.
And the part of me that I thought was funny is they get bit by these crabs or scratch by these crabs. Like people get bitten scratch. And then it's like halfway through the movie. They realized, oh, yeah, maybe these people should start turning into zombies or something. And then I was like, and I was like, what are they going to turn into zombies? Like they never even fully answered the question, are they going to turn into zombies? Or is it just the the aquarium
animals that are turning into zombies? Like they never, it's the movie. It's just I hated it. Yeah. They, they sort of try to establish that the sea creatures can obviously kill just through, you know, sheer force. But I think one of the characters has like a starfish on her the whole time. And there's a couple characters that I feel feverish, right? I feel dizzy. And I think it's more along the lines of like the type of poison that's cursing through them. And then yeah, that was
the part that confused me as I was like waiting for somebody to turn into a zombie. And I'm like, oh, they're not going to do that. That actually would require actual talent. And special effect makeup. Well, when we talk about special effects, like all the all the animals are CG. And they're not good. No, it's not. There's some stock footage. Obviously a lot of stock footage. I almost feel like they got a hold of like, man, we got this like B roll stock footage
from the San Diego aquarium. And we could just use it to like fill a bunch of B roll of a aquarium of the dead. And all all the animals like when they interact with humans are are CG. And the way they lay out the CG is like old school TV movie stuff where it's like it's always overlaid. It's never interacting with the character. Yeah. To the point where like you mentioned the crab scene, it is literally the character on the ground, writhing. And then they've like super
imposed still camera over top of that character. And it's just it always looks so fake. There's no gore hardly to speak of. I think the most gruesome thing that happens on camera is the dude who respects walruses and thinks they're the coolest gets impaled by a walrus walrus, walrus tusks. But it's not there's no gore. He just like the walrus sort of chomps down on him with with the tusks and like there's no blood. It's just like just happens. And then they leave him. He's dead.
And he's like, oh, yeah, every time somebody gets killed or something happens, there's always a camera the camera pans in a way so that you don't really get a full view of what happened. Like the guy gets a crab on him and you really just see a guy flailing and a giant CGI crab on top of him. You don't actually see him get caught. You don't actually see that much blood. It's like you see it after he gets up somebody splashes some blood makeup on him. And and and and and you're like
everything almost always happens off camera. And I I get it. But again, I like some bad bad zombie movies. Like we I discussed this with Ryan Prischot. When I was watching this, the whole time I kept wanting there was another movie I've seen it's been ages since I've seen it. This is a movie called The Rage from 2007. Again, not a good movie. I'm not going to tell you it is a masterpiece. I'm not going to tell you that like it that you're going to love it. But you will
be entertained by it. And it does some similar things to this. I can't remember the whole plot. But there is a virus, a weird doctor and he's infecting people with this virus. And at one point, it's revealed that he's been infecting animals in the wilderness. And like I don't know where the characters are thinking they're about to get away or get out of this bus they're trapped in. And then I know where a bunch of vultures come out of the sky and like rip somebody apart and fly
away with the body parts. And you go, what just happened? What what and it's gory and it's silly and it's stupid. And you're not going to watch it and go, oh man, that was you're going to go, oh man, that was so stupid. It's awesome. And this asylum movies never do this. The asylum movies always feel like their grandma's grandma's horror movie. You know what I mean? Like what can we do that's not going to offend the grandma's of America? You know what I mean? It's just I've never
watched an asylum movie where I've I've liked it. And they've always left a bad taste in my mouth. And I will blame the bad taste in my mouth on battle of law, a battle Los Angeles and battle of Los Angeles. There are two movies with the same title. And the only difference between them is is one, the one that's the one that's a big budget movie blockbuster is called Battle of Los Angeles. The asylum movie is called Battle of Los Angeles. And they put them on the shelves in my local
blockbuster before blockbuster went away. They were side by side. And when I rented it, I thought I was getting the Aaron Eckhart movie. And it wasn't until I was about 30 minutes into this thing that I went, yeah, I don't think I rented the right movie. This is bad. And I turned it off. And I went back to the blockbuster. And at those times it was at that time, it was the, it was the, the, you could like just return them and get rented again, rent another one for free. And I went back and
I was like, what is this thing? Like, oh, yeah, you asylum does that. I knew asylum done, did that because there was snakes on a, there was snakes on a train. Uh-huh. That's them. There was a bunch of stuff like that. So I knew this trends morphers. And it's always rubbed me the wrong way. But the Battle of Los Angeles thing just, it was such a sour taste in my mouth that I was just like, I don't think I'm ever going to like anything they do. And I watch dozens of their movies.
And I always get like, yeah, I don't like, I don't like any of this. Uh-uh, like, like the film planned nine from outer space. People love it because it's a cult classic. It's a bad movie. And the people clearly what is as bad as it is that people went into it with a hundred percent heart. And I don't get that from asylum. I get everybody here is to collect a paycheck. And that's all this is. Is it the paycheck? And I just, it's, it's just, it's crap. It's crap. And I don't understand
who this is for. Yeah. Um, I agree with all that. I mean, it's, it's very well put in a sense that like I agree. It's like the, the movie is, um, like we were talking pre show. It just feels it's stale. It's kind of benign. Like the animal stuff isn't even that interesting. You mentioned the sharks. The sharks come into play. There are two sharks. They discover them in a hallway. They're on the ground. They're not moving. They're not menacing. All the characters sneak by except for the last
one who then gets. And then again, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And the shark, when they do it, there's a camera angle pan. And you can clearly see that it is a piece of rubber. Like it's like, like they didn't even try. I wouldn't even say rubber. It looks like there was a cement shark or something for kids to ride in the background. And they angled the camera so that they could use that. And not actually have to actually see GI a shark until they needed to kill somebody. Yeah.
Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's very like, yeah, it's, it's very. And I kept wanting to, I kept wanting to like a character characters in the movie. But there was, there was the, there was the guy that, is he, all his fault that the zombie thing happens because he was supposed to destroy something. And he didn't. Yeah. And, and the whole movie he's just like, he's done my fault. He's done my fault. He's done my fault. Yeah. And like he kept, and, and I like that actor.
Ryan and I found out that he is a voice actor in many, many, many, many, many things that Ryan and I both like, uh, so like, it's not necessarily like, he's fine. But his character was so like, yep, this is the trope. And then the guy that he was supposed to be with that was like the guy he was supposed to be, the guy was supposed to be some VIP. And then when they talk about it, he's like, yeah, I'm in their school. And I was like, how are you a VIP? Shouldn't you be like a celebrity or
something? Like, wait, wait, you're the VIP and you're the end of the thing and you're a guy in their school. Okay. Like, I was like, did somebody not read the script? Did like, they not, I was like, again, it just hurt me. And then again, the at some one point, like, so they can't get out of the aquarium and all the animals are being turned into zombie stuff. Cool. And they're like, they should be able to wander through hallways unated because why would there be a, why would there be a
shark laying in the middle of the hallway? Why? Like, okay, the squid thing kind of made sense. The squid get out of the tank. Okay, I get it. The squid weren't running around. I get it. Okay, there's one that is one threat. Uh, the walrus are out. Okay, cool. That there's something else I get. But they would be like, at one point, there's a guy in a lab with like a dolphin. Yeah. And I was like, I was like, okay. And it was like, it doesn't need to breathe because it's dead. And I was like,
okay, but it's just laying there. The only reason that guy died is because he went near the zombie dolphin. It's not like, like, like, is it going to flail towards him? That's cool. Let's see it flail down the hallway and get him. No, no, he walked up to it and it bit him. And I was like, I mean, it's not even creative. All they outrun all they outrun all the animals. I think even I didn't cap this, but even the politicians like, we can run we can run faster than all of these animals
that that have that are not swimming. They have to flail towards us. And there's really no, there's really not a lot of danger. Unless you're falling into water. There's there's they're danger is that this place locked down like Jurassic Park, which an aquarium wouldn't do. No, of course not. You just the doors would not it like that. It says it's to protect it's to protect people from from being drowned or the pressure of the water or anything. But why would the front doors
lock? Like you would have you would want people to know you'd want you'd want the doors to open so the water drains out that as well. 100%. So like there's some there's definitely some hand waving um and the other part too is at one point I the I those guys there was some discrepancy were those guys cops or were they like park rangers or were they like Baywatch like I think the firefighters is yeah. Okay. So at one point they're outside now clearly there's people locked
inside this animals running a muck. Crabbs are attacking people like okay fine. And these two guys are wandering around and they'll be like where's the people and I'm like people are inside screaming. They really are. We've heard them like you're telling me that the two guys on the boat screaming that these guys didn't hear somebody screaming. Okay. And at one point one of the guys goes through an elevator and the other guy goes up a set of stairs or something like that and it's like this
dumb plot point to split them up. And I was like okay. All right. Like again and both guys had really bad makeup like you could tell that they maybe spent a little too much time in a makeup chair. One guy's beard looked like he was made a plastic like I kept waiting for him to peel it off and revealed it like he was a zombie fish or something. Um I mean no they won't do that that's too creative. No there's not a whole lot of creative stuff. I did find that like the intro
to the movie it's like an octopus or a squid. I think it was an octopus. I didn't it was either an octopus. It's an octopus. Right. And I think the idea of that being the first animal to become infected with this like from from what they thought was medication but it was like a tainted
sort of medical thing and it was a virus. For it to infect an octopus first and then have the octopus like leave the exhibit like I thought that was that was probably the most creative thing because if you're gonna infect an animal and then want to spread it across the aquarium
you infect the animal that can make it through any connected space like octopuses are notorious for being able to get through like even a pinhole right like they can they can squeeze their body through so but then it stops being creative and like okay but why would the octopus be in an connected
space aquarium because obviously an aquarium would know that the octopus can get through those space it kind of falls apart if you think too much about it but I did appreciate that the original infected animal was the octopus because the octopus is the most versatile in terms of being able
to together still can't survive out of water so like they kind of hand wave that away they hand wave that because there's zombies so they don't need to live in water and I was like okay the again the octopus makes the most sense of what's what's a threat to them
everything else seems kind of dumb I mean I mean we even watched a zombie anime in which the zombie the zombie shark ate a bunch of people and it gave them legs and I found that more entertaining and believable than this movie yeah yeah and it was much more creative oh man zon 100 was so good
yeah was I love that after I watched this movie I kept being like man I gotta go back and watch that again we should watch the movie because they made a movie I know they did I know I know I know it's on my it's on my I have my Netflix queue we'll watch it we'll put it on I and I don't even know
did some some 100 still hasn't been renewed for a second season it's not unusual for anime to sit around for like a year before they eat the side last minute to like do something yeah I'm not gonna hold my breath that is unfortunate because I it did end in a way that I guess you could end it
there but it would be it would be a cool second season before we get to clips I did I did have I have one question for you Lou favorite zombie animal or fish or no I guess not fish because there was the comment of otters at one point otters chase them I don't remember seeing that
they mentioned otters it must have been like a blink and you missed it type thing there was a lot of stuff in this was like a blink and you missed it right and it was and it was it was often you blinked and you missed it because the thing was on camera for like 20 seconds
tops yeah yeah like it like it was it was on camera long enough for you to focus and real what she what it is and then it would zoom in on somebody like running away and you'd be like oh okay so that being said um what was your favorite uh aquarium of the dead animal
in terms of like the crabs the crabs the crabs so the starfish yeah I was I was hoping the starfish was gonna turn into uh suicide squad and starro it was gonna latch on to somebody's face yeah they were gonna become a possessed zombie I was kind of hoping for that and I went they won't do
that that's to create it again to creative but I also had that thought of like the starfish um being more and they did they did kind of go down that uh round where they had the starfish like slowly draining one of the characters it was attached to her like for you know whatever
a third of the film um and it took that long for her to be impacted by it and and even then it was just she became uh wait did she die I can't remember maybe she did die uh yeah she did die yeah she did die because they were trying to get it off of her and I was just too late she had lost or it was
infected too much yeah and I was waiting for her to turn into a zombie and then they actually have to kill her and then they kind of just leave her there and run away yeah no there no um there no like turning it's just the animals keep killing people the animals are all turned that was the other
thing they don't really explain it but like all the animals are turned like there was no normal animals that they encountered they were just all infected yeah so and it was kind of like a light switch and they didn't really explain that they were like all of a sudden one one animal was infected
the rest of the world infected okay um uh let's let's do some clips because I've got I I was tempted to just kind of watch this uh actually so I was sometimes when I watch something I really want to pay attention to I'll watch it on the TV and then I will mark the timestamps on like a note
in a notes file or something uh this time I decided you know I'm gonna watch it um second screen on the Mac so that I can pause it rewind a bit and and get clips because I figured there'd be clips and uh it's a stupid movie so there was lots of like stupid shit said that we we could we could clip
um but I didn't want to go too crazy so I've got you know alongside the intro clip I've got five clips here so um this clip is says we got hands um and it's when uh the VIP and uh the voice of Legion are um arguing about how to how to deal with the with electrified so there's a electrified
fence they explain that there's electrified fence for for what reason I guess so the animals don't try to climb it but then like why would you have a fence why would I would I would aquarium animals be climbing fences I don't know I guess whatever and maybe the otters I don't know but anyways here's
here's the clip okay we need to figure out something okay we're smarter than the fish we got hands we're smarter than the fish I mean this goes down to the the idea of like it comes up multiple times of like they are superior to the fish they are just um they're just struggling with the fact that
they're locked in and no matter what way they go they run into the more infected animals uh so it has nothing to do with them being smarter or faster it just says everything to do with the fact that they keep running into infected animals so uh oh um you mentioned the starfish attack that this
was a fun stupid moment uh it got so dumb uh guys look um crush them that's the only way to stop them and then they just proceed to start stomping the starfish yeah oh my god it's so dumb and then the starfish are like launching themselves off the glass
yep like they don't do no uh the fish actually move pretty slow yeah and that's in water and we're talking about like I like when you when you talk about oh man that's too creative I think like that starfish moment was their most creative where they actually did something with the animals
and you could be like okay like that was kind of creative it was super silly but it did boil down to like effectively they were able to just like start stomping on these starfish and then there's a scene where I the doctor is just like on the floor and they've put a bunch of like
plastic starfish on her she's just arriving on the floor and it was like so dumb so dumb uh again again again I watch this and I was like this movie so dumb I could watch it with my three-year-old and my three-year-old would be less scared than I am the the the the the in episode of Scooby-Doo
yeah yeah it's so there's no gore to it honestly it is it is very as you said a TV movie um the I played the clip in the intro but it's like the dead but not dead they actually go back to that well a few times and this is the second time that I I I clipped it so
oh Jesus you said that was dead you crashed its nervous system dead but not dead dead but not dead it's like but they don't say undead I don't even think they even utter the word zombie I don't think it's mentioned at all no no which is like weird I I don't like
the I I think it's a bit pretentious when you have like like zombie movies or zombie content not say the word zombie there's a way to handle it and there's a way not to handle it and nowadays they almost always have at least one character used to z-word
sure I mean and I can appreciate that uh they used to be this thing where they would avoid that word because they didn't want think they didn't want the cliche or whatever and I think those days are over but when an asylum does something it's like you clearly want this to be a zombie movie but
you don't want to use the z-word because then you'd have to explain why people are turning into not turning into zombies and you don't want that true I guess it yeah that logic fits for this film and I like the way the walking dead kind of approaches it of like okay everybody has a different
term for it everyone has a different term but it's also like this is the idea of like a zombie apocalypse in a world that like the concept of zombies don't exist so like they kind of like have the word not exist because the concept of zombies don't exist it just it happens
right so I mean that's that's fine but in this film it was like it was weird that they never they couldn't even they didn't even say undead they just said dead but not dead uh they do eventually describe the way to kill the animals but it's just in regards to the starfish they don't actually
kill other animals this is apparently a third neutrality uh yeah the zoomies zoomies what is it they have the two are zoom be and zoom be two I think or something like that and I mean maybe they explain those in these movies but I can't imagine that they do I can imagine that those movies are
just as bad as this we will never find out because we will never I'm not watching them so you're not me I will eventually stumble across it's streaming somewhere and be like I'll give it 10 minutes yeah and that's about all the only reason I sat all the way through this movie was because we were
recovering it for the show this is literally something I would have made it about a third of the way through and been like yeah I'm gonna watch something oh to be completely honest I would never have watched this if it weren't for the show I'm glad I watched it for the show I think it's a fun
uh discussion discussion and it's a good like sort of diversion from all the good stuff we've been watching like sometimes you gotta you gotta go I will say this the watching this made me excited for what we're gonna cover next time yeah uh well yeah I am excited for that and we'll
probably have some fun clips there so I'm just gonna I'm gonna work through these last few so they established the the crush the system so this is here's that you have to crush the radio nerve along the ambulacular region destroying the central nervous system seems like the only thing that
stops them oh my god I I forgot that it just felt like she forgot her line like yeah I was waiting for her to literally look at a director go line yeah um I I this this clip like this listen to this again you have to crush the radio nerve along the ambulacular region it's like it it just wreaks of
like we're doing one take for everything you know that's that's just what we're doing um and then vivica a fox as you mentioned is the big name in the film and she she most of her scenes are in like an office but near the end she has an axe and I don't know what her plan was but her like someone
was trying another main character was like trying to leave and then the octopus was down below in the water the octopus didn't really seem like it was gonna get to the other character that was trying to escape but then like I don't know what vivica fox's plan was but she grabs the axe and
then she jumps towards something but she misses and she falls into the water they were dead so part of me wants to say that they were trying to duplicate the the the scene from the the dragon movie where Matthew McConaughey dives through the air with the with the axe to cleave the dragon
but that would require them to be creative this is yeah so anyways we'll blend on this clip so oh my god this chat is more entertaining than watching the movie yeah I mean I know my recommendation for anybody that thinks that this is something that they want to watch watch
the trailer and you're pretty much going to watch the best parts of the movie yeah and the clips that I played give you a good sample like the acting and it's bad yeah so anyways as loot loot tried to pull the rip cord earlier there and I and I dragged a backkick and in screaming for
these last couple clips but Lou as you said he's looking forward to our next episode because we are going to escape asylum and we are going to well we're going to watch something that's tangentially connected to zombies with army of thieves we talked about this previously and you know I think we
earned it and it's a prequel to army of the dead so it totally counts and Lou you've seen it and you can you can advise that there are some zombie stuff in there so yes there are the movie takes place in the army of the dead universe hard we thought you're I can't help it yeah no I get it
but but no it takes place in the army of the universe it's our it's our favorite safe cracker from the original movie it is how he ends up it is his story of how he ends up where he is when they find him at the beginning of army of the dead and he goes on an adventure as a safe cracker and in
the background of everything that's going on they keep making reference to the situation in Las Vegas and the situation of zombies and the and at one point the character even has like a nightmare about zombies so there are zombies in it it takes place in the same universe I think that
as a as a non zombie movie that takes place in a zombie universe I think this is really creative I can't think of another movie that does this where it is technically it is in a zombie movie universe but they're not actually dealing with zombies throughout the whole movie there is like
two scenes or three scenes with zombies in it I believe right well there you go we'll watch that and Lou I know I think you just got it added in the Netflix but you should let me know whether you what was it is dead boy detectives or whatever the the it is on it it that is on my my
agenda to watch this weekend all right well I look forward to finding out if this is actually true oh did you guys know zombies are real you let me know you let me know I will well that is going to do it for our episode thanks for sticking with us as we checked out this my first
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