Summer dress guide, billionaire submarines, and are we undersexed?

 Are you a flirt? 

Uh, I'm a flirt, but I'm only with like the camera 

guys. I like to flirt with the grips, the camera guys, the dolly

that. I'm like, oh, are you building a set? Absolutely. 

you holding the camera all by 

 📍 yourself?  

   📍 Welcome to your weekly breakdown, the comfort podcast for cozy weekends. I'm Emily, an ex tech worker bee mother of two, and I think I'm finally out of my reading slump. 

I'm Kate. I am a Libra. I'm an older sister and I'm battling under eye bags. Forever I feel, 

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Do

you like being tickled?

Yes,  no one tickles me, but yeah, I like it.

Do

you like the feeling of someone just tickling your arm? Like if someone just does that on your hand?

Yes. Like, yeah. I 

Yeah. 

 I like to be touched when I want to be touched. 

touched.

I like having my feet rubbed. 

I like  when someone  just holds my feet  in their hands. 

Like if I'm wearing socks.  

don't know if I'm a feet girl.

I don't, I'm not a feet girl. Let's not put that 

out

there. It does feel really good to have your feet massaged.

Feet and 

Oh, yes. I 

like a hand massage. That is otherworldly to me. And also quite intimate. 

When I was in Thailand, I remember one of the things that we would do is we would get those like 5 foot massages where you would sit in a fold out chair  outside someone's home and they'd be like, want a foot massage?

And you're like, okay, sure. Five bucks. And then they'd send their son to the 7 Eleven and get me a beer. And I would just sit and have a beer and they would like crank your toes.

I need to go on a trip with you. . That sounds so shady, but also so good. What did you get up to this past weekend?

 I've been working a lot. That's nice. It's been nice. I've been working as a working actor, 

Such a good feeling. And I've got a show right now and I'm also shooting a movie. So that's been really 

Slightly busy?

Of course I have a comedy show every Sunday at the Fox here in Vancouver. We had a great show.

Oh, that's the best.

It is so nice.  We almost sold out  150 people.  It's such a game changer when everyone just decides to come out. It's on a Sunday night at eight o'clock, which is a hard sell for a lot of

people. I'm in bed. 

Yeah. Uh,

but , when you have those great nights, it's just such a good feeling still doing live comedy.

Mm.

 There was a line an episode of hacks, which I love the show.

Fantastic show.

 Ava,  Hannah Einbender plays Ava, and she says, Improv has never made anyone look good. And I hear that line and I went, She's not wrong.

I don't do it because, uh, it makes me look good. It's just such 

a joyful time.

 It wouldn't be comedy if somebody always looked good. 

 You're also experiencing someone else's point of view in a way that they see the world in a way that tickles you. Huh? Tickling. Back to that.

That's weird.

I guess I really got a tickle on my brain.

You do have tickle on the brain. Do you need to be

No.  

Violent, violent reaction to that. 

 It's such a blur when you're like, what did you get up to?  I almost want to check my calendar 

It's so embarrassing when I look back, you know, people are like, Oh, reflect on the year. You know, what did you do? And how was 2023 for you? I will go back and scroll through my calendar. Isn't that awful? 

I want to start taking more pictures to have that.  I'm not a picture taker. I don't use my phone as a camera.

I use it for texting, internet, and maps. 

Have you

considered   a disposable camera?

I mean, I have 35mm cameras. 

, it's like you could be a cool person, but you just choose not to be.

You have all the makings to be a cool person. You're like, I have a comedy show, and I have a 35mm camera, and I'm childless.  But then you're just you.

Well, 

DERP. 

You notice that it's hard for me to take a compliment? 

I did notice that it's hard for you to take a compliment.

take a compliment? no,

I gave you six compliments and you just like blow right by them.



Well, you texted me a very nice thing the other day.

in a group text. Yes, I did.

No, no, no. You said, oh, your face looks so good.

 You gave me a lovely 

compliment. Yeah. And I read it and I put my phone down 

I was fucking slam it.

We have a hard time accepting 

compliments. 

we? 



We. Me?

I think it's hard to accept a compliment sometimes.

I'm not very good at accepting them. Do you think most women are bad at accepting compliments?

Is it women? Everybody? No,

think the idea of accepting a compliment sometimes feels In my mind at least, it's, you're being boastful or, or you should be gracious and to be gracious is to say, Oh no, no, no, it's fine.

It's fine. Someone says, you did a really great job. My instinct is to say, Oh, ah,

Yeah, I'm downplay it

 We're trained to not accept compliments. It's, seen as boastful. I've tried really hard to just say thank you and to not downplay it,

so there's this Mark Twain quote. It says, The happy phrasing of a compliment is one of the rarest of human gifts, and the happy delivery of it another.   

I'm not that smart. Okay.

The happy phrasing of a compliment is one of the rarest of human gifts, and the happy delivery of it another.

Giving a compliment and receiving a compliment  he's considers it a rare human gift. . 

 There's a professor at the university of Chicago who says,

 are the easiest way to make other people. And as a result, ourselves feel better.  

I can think of a lot of other ways I'd feel better fast than compliment. 

PG ways.  And the truth is that we all have these great qualities. Every person haS wonderful qualities and a compliment is someone just seeing one of your many great qualities. I don't have to be awkward about it. I can just say thank you for seeing one of my great qualities.

Yeah, I think we give shallow compliments.

We don't give really great compliments or we only compliment what Is aligned to what we value.

 Wow, that's, I think that's true! 

 There's an etiquette to compliments, too. 

More rules. 

Yo,  sorry. But this is a helpful one, because sometimes when you give a compliment, you also want to be like, I'm not flirting.  I'm not flirting. 

We've talked about this. I'm definitely 

Okay, you're flirting. I'm not. I'm literally just going, wow.

I'm kind of in awe. But the idea is that we're conveying someone's social value.

So  if you're worried about giving a compliment, stick to what the social value is. You don't have to say, wow, you lost weight. Cause that for me wouldn't be a 

I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to say that anymore.

Well, 

people still do. Well, you look great. Have you lost weight? 

was a decade where any time I would come home from like school or university, I had to tell my parents, The first thing that you say to me cannot be a comment on my appearance.

 Stay away from my, what I look like, or Maybe even what, I've achieved 

, we're getting together for cocktails, let's say. I would absolutely, if you look fucking knockout, I'm going to say you look knockout.

Why do I have to not compliment your appearance? Is it un feminist of me to say you look fucking great?

I = it's like I'm not allowed anymore.

You can tell me I look like a knockout anytime. For me, I wouldn't want someone to say, you look better today.   Wow, today's better for you.

 I don't think it clicked for me until, how do

you compliment your kid, your daughter specifically?  It needs to be more than that's a pretty dress or more than, oh, you're and well mannered  dig deeper and say, oh, you're so brave.

Or that was really thoughtful of you. That is a challenge. 

Historically compliments, you're right, have been what a good, or what a good girl you are, that you fit a model, and I'm complimenting you for fitting into a 

Mm. 

model, um, 

As though, keep doing it. Right? It was seen as encouragement 

Yeah, it was like training a

yeah, 

yeah, you give positive reinforcement. . 

 So are you actively working on accepting compliments? Yes. You just say, thank you. 

I let the person finish their sentence.

Oh, I'm not good at that. In any case, I'm an interrupter.

Someone says something nice, I want to right away go, Oh yeah, thanks. Thank you. 

Okay, 

thanks.  

I've become a 

full 

on 

Muppet.  

So I'm practicing if someone gives me a compliment, I have to also remember that that's making them feel good too.

yes. I think of that in gift giving when someone goes, Oh,  don't trouble yourself. It's like, no, I want to do this thing for you. So in part, it is a selfish endeavor. Let me. Let me.

Yeah. 

So I have to also remember that this is making them feel better.

This is making them connect with me, right? That's a great moment for connection with people 

 But we have anxieties about we're perceived to other people. I think from, so it stops us from giving compliments.

 Some of us are a little too worried about what people think, and some people are not worried enough. 

No.

personally, I would be worried about being, patronizing or clumsy with my words or cloying or fawning As opposed to just going hey, I want you to know I saw it.

That was amazing.

I oversell. I'll keep going and dig myself into a hole and people get  uncomfortable.

It starts with you look great tonight and ends with like here are the keys to my house 

 That too. 

'   I got dressed up for you today. 

too.

 It was rainy and cold and I didn't feel like  looking

I've had this sweater for seven years.

  I don't shop. We met at a clothing 

swap.  Think

it was one of our first meets was at a clothing 

swap. 

That was so fun. You had it at your 

house.  That sushi spread was good. 

That's how I acquire my clothing is through other people going, here, put that 

on.

That's a great way to do it. I buy most of my items secondhand.

You do? Yes. How?  

Consignment stores.  The exception are, I will buy fresh white t shirts, because those get pretty grimy pretty fast, 

And then jeans, shirts, blouses, the sweatshirt you're wearing right now.

Yeah, that's consigned.

that's great. 

You can get a lot, a lot of stuff still tags on.

 yeah,  do you have a Uniform do you wear the same thing all the time or do you like to plan a whole outfit? 

I don't have fashion mind. I don't see things like that. Some people will see an outfit out of something in a closet, and I'm in awe of that. I am a jeans t-shirt, something warm on top.

I used to really enjoy putting together outfits, but now  the capacity overall for it's just reduced.

I enjoy it if there's an occasion, but I tend to go back to the exact same things that I feel good in.  There was a period of my life where I only wore dresses.

  You?   

I was in PEI with my three brothers. We were down in the cottage. We had just come back in from, water skiing or something. And I head on. Like my baseball cap sports bra style bathing suit top, and huge board shorts.  Which was of the f it was like very Roxy, Quicksilver, whatever. I remember my dad was sitting out on the patio, and he said, Maybe someday you'll embrace your femininity.  which I misinterpreted it at the time, 

 My interpretation of that was, stop being a tomboy. And that's not at all what that means, and that's not at all what he meant, but at the time,  I'm sitting there chugging a beer out of a can with my brothers, hooting and hollering and swearing 

he didn't mean wear dresses, but I interpreted it as wear dresses because I was very simple minded in my 20s. And so there were years where I Only wore dresses. From basically 21  to 28.  I was also self conscious.

And so a dress was more flattering and hiding the lower half of my body. I have an enormously juicy and delicious ass. And my thighs, they touch because they love each other. And I love it. And it works for me. But it took me a really long time to get there. 

 That was my style for a long

Did you love the dress at the time? I

love the dress at the time, but it was almost like playing pretend.  It was very girly. And it's so funny because you really learn about how people see you.

 It changes how people treat you. I really believe how you dress impacts how people treat you and how they perceive you. I was attracting,  The wrong romantic people. Cause they all thought I was some dainty little girly girl.

 stop wearing dresses because of work? 

I stopped wearing dresses because it was harder to breastfeed in them.

And now would you wear a dress?

I will wear a dress if we're going out somewhere,  in the summer, I wear dresses.

That is just like, the rule. It's just, it's breezier up in there. I actually, I just finished writing a piece, on,  what dresses to wear this summer.  And there are 52 fucking dresses to pick from.

I'm all 

for

it. 

You 

want 

it?

I 

want it. Okay, 

I'll 

publish 

it.

I would love to just have a dress summer.

Yes, it's just easy. You're like, here's the preppy white one. Here's the like, cotton one to wear every day with the baseball cap and the sneakers. And here's the one to wear on the patio at the art gallery with the sun shining on you while you drink. 

Aperol 

spritz. 

I love the idea of wearing a dress every day because it, the idea of getting dressed every day would be so simple.

Yes!

You put on the dress and then it's done. Now the bra with the dresses is what I'd like to remove next.

You don't want to 

wear a bra? And you have large breasts. Yeah. That, I imagine, is trickier.

So my nickname, and it's so embarrassing.

 I was, you know, the height of all the teachers in grade six, I was new in school and I was standing in the field looking for my teacher. Cause you're supposed to find your teacher and line up behind your 

teacher. So I was just standing in the field looking for my teacher, brand new school.

I'm brand new. I turned around, there was a bunch of kids standing behind me. They thought I was one of the teachers.

You were also 

developed. Yes. 

You had 

I had started 

getting 

boobs.  

And my friends called me nips because my nipples were always 

Oh, Caitlin! That breaks my 

can see, you can see my little nipples through my shirts.

Well, fuck, you're on trend. You were before the times. Now there's that Skims bra with the nips sticking out of it. 

stupid  in grade 6, 7, and 8.

 Had flat chest until I was 15. 

Oh yeah, I didn't hit puberty until 15,

When did you get your period?  I got mine when I was 10. 

But to this day, if my nipples are showing through a shirt, I get very self 

conscious.  Not to 

me.

 I demand only cotton camisoles when we're recording the podcast. I want full fembot 

fembot nips. 

 There's a bit of a trauma there for you,

trauma there 

 I'm less concerned about the bra. Also, I don't care about what people think about my breasts 

And I have taken to walking around with my shoulders back and not giving a flying fuck It has taken me so many years to get here. That I just don't care anymore. Like, I'm so proud of 

it.

I'm so glad that I met you now. I love 

this 

person. You would've 

disliked me so 

much in 

it. 20. No, I'm saying  I met you now because I need you now in my life. I need an Emily who reminds me to put my shoulders back 

This is an open invitation because people do reach out to me when they need a pep talk and I will give them like a wholehearted, Truly meaningful pep talk 

you amaze me.

You've put all this together. You do so much work.

You have so much on the go, and  I kind of want to be near you.

Thank you.  I like that. 

Look at me accepting your compliment. 

And it felt good! 

I am less concerned about the bra. I do require, the Thigh Saver shorts from Knix. It's a Canadian brand. It's really thin pair of shorts. I'll link to them in the show notes. They don't sponsor us or anything, but

big, big fan. And so that's just like a gimme because it does get hot. It does get sweaty and nobody needs the chafing. Do

Do you wear it with underwear?

Yes. I don't know if you're supposed to, but I 

do.

I think to

 I'm sweaty. 

Yes.  hot. There's a

reason why dogs always sniff my crotch.



It's because you smell 

Yeah. and 

they wanna get 

to 

know 

you. 

They 

want  Yeah. I

think it's so funny that dogs do that. My kids,  they'll be leaning over the breakfast table  grab a piece of fruit or something and Dolly's just like, 

Butt. 

happy.  

But the Thigh Saver shorts,  they don't, add bulk or anything. So, we're gonna put those on, we're gonna put on one of those 52 dresses that are also linked in the show notes. That took me all day. But they are 

great 

dresses.

Oh, but there's so many good ones to choose from, do it. And then we'll go to the art gallery patio and have lunch. And have this cocktail of the summer, which Martha Stewart says  the Batanga. don't  she fucking would pick something called the Batanga. B A T A N G A. It's a tequila based cocktail.

I'm in. Check. That's a testament to the beauty of simplicity. Check. Okay. With just a few classic ingredients. Tequila. Mmm. I don't know. Cola.

Mmm.

Fresh squeezed lime juice. Pinch of salt. Salt room glass. 

What's your favorite 

Have 

Or drink of choice, I should say.

A dirty gin martini, 

Very dirty. Even put a blue cheese olive in there. 

Oh, does dirty just mean 

salty? Yeah. 

Olive brine and, and like almost no 

You just want  

I want olive juice and gin. there's a quote that says how much vermoUth should go in a martini. 

No, you just hold your glass in the direction of France and that's enough.  

You literally, just want olive juice.

I will eat olives and capers right out of the jar.

Yes. Yeah. 

As one should. 

A weird thing that someone was like, let me mix these ingredients.

I think about that whenever I see a lobster or a crab. And someone goes, let me open this up and eat it.

Did you know lobster used to be like a poor man's food?

Because it was what the fishermen would 

eat?

Yeah. 

And now it's like, you know, 10 a pound. 

Yeah. 

How  

East

coast? It was delicious. And one of my brothers was  opening the lobsters for the kids so they didn't have to do it and then I was lazy and ate that so I didn't even have to open up my own lobster.

It 

was You 

just had the meat?  

Dipped in hot butter. 

Some lemon juice maybe? 

Nope.  

Hot butter. Yeah. Yeah. 

Garlic butter or regular butter? 

Regular. Yeah. Yeah.

Young.  

Actually, speaking of,  the sea,  and 

bold choices,  

I know what you're going to say. I've heard this topic before, but it's coming back again. They're building another Titanic submersible. Not just anyone, a billionaire is. A billionaire plans to dive to the Titanic in a newly designed submersible. 

Why can't we use the ones that exist?

Remember how it blew up?

That was the, like, Teemu version of a submersible that someone built.  Oh, that was a bad, was it a year ago now?

Yeah,  

but, OK, hold on. People go diving down to the Titanic often. There are submersibles that go that will not implode.  This guy just like needs to build a 

new 

one?

He's just a billionaire who said I wanna do it too. 

If I was a billionaire, I would shut the fugg up.

This is like J. K. Rowling and like all the trans stuff. Like just shut the fuck up.

up. Go 

away.

Larry 

Conner is a 75 

year

old 

Larry! 

Larry Conner, 75, who made his wealth in real estate shocking.  He's building a new acrylic hulled submersible that will be a certified and rigorously tested vessel to show that deep sea exploration is safe.

We have vessels that do that. He needs to build his own. 

 The purpose is to demonstrate to people around the globe that you can build a revolutionary, first of its kind sub, and dive it safely and successfully to great depths.

That's the point?

 Okay, to be fair, great. live your truth. If that's really what you're super passionate about, and you want to demonstrate that for the world, you're Go ham. Go nuts. But also, there are submersibles that exist that you can go to that you don't have to go build your own.

An acrylic hub sounds dicey 

Yeah, it sounds like it might also become Stardust. I also don't know why this is the thing that he needs to do.

We don't know anything about this guy other than he's a billionaire.

he's He's a billionaire and he just wanted to. He was like, don't worry guys, 

I can't hate on someone saying.

I want

to do something and then going to do it. You have to have a tiny bit of  narcissism or arrogance or both to go and build companies and be innovative and try something new. I'm not defending him, you kind of have to be a bit delusional to be like, I'm going to start a tiny media company.

Do you know what I mean? Sure. 

I'm going to 

be a 41 year old actor. 

are. Hell yeah I am. 

Every CEO, every successful CEO is like, slightly narcissistic, and slightly arrogant,  this guy's obviously a dreamer,  we wish he would do something different, with his money.

I also don't know if there's that big of a demand. Like you said, 

they're 

already doing the research.  He's 75 and he's concerned that people are associating diving subs with danger or tragedy.

That's his concern in the 

world.  

that. Larry, come over for dinner. Let's talk about the

world. You're our audio engineer just said, remember when the vanity projects of billionaires was like, to put their names on buildings and build libraries and concert halls.

That's such a great point. They're like, I must build a submarine 

going to space.

Boys and their 

Well, first of all, I don't see a lot of female billionaires in the news. 

Fucking Whitney Wolf Hurd, man.

Bumble. We talked about her.

Yeah, but she's one.

She's one. 

Also we were just talking about the woman who did Spanx. I bet you she's doing alright.

Sarah Blakely  Spanx. Absolutely crushing it. And then  Joanna Griffiths. She founded Knix, and they were acquired, I wanna say, one or two years ago. And they, she made out like a bandit,  

because she had to be a bit of a dreamer where these people said, I want to make a different kind of thing 

for 

women.

I'm gonna make underwear that absorbs period blood.

Game 

changer. 

And these people would've been like, What? 

Oh, hey, gross. 

Love it. Speaking of delusional, did you see the Kid Rock had an interview in Rolling Stone?

No.

  delusional. There's good delusion and there's bad delusion. This guy is off his rocker.

What'd he 

say?

The N word multiple times. He's like that awkward uncle showing up at the dinner party, wearing like his mega hat. Loves Trump. 

I think he's so irrelevant. I don't know why they would do this interview for him. I don't know why they would grant him this page 

space.

 I think he's so irrelevant that he's Purposefully being an asshole and being obtuse to be like, Whoa, whoa is me, cancel me, kind of thing.

Why did he have a profile? Why did they want to interview 

him?

The article is called How Kid Rock Went From America's Favourite Hard Partying Rockstar That's bold, but he did, he was, he was popular To a MAGA mouthpiece Now with the election coming up in the fall in the states I imagine there's these kind of pieces  around celebrity culture and the kind of,  tangential pieces of politics and celebrities absolutely are mouthpieces 

they can choose to advocate for whatever political party they want to. his real name is Bob Ritchie,

Kid Rock?  

calls Trump his bestie and spouts right wing talking points. Many close to him wonder what the hell happened. 

I  I wasn't wondering about Kid Rock, but thank you  David Peisner, because it is a really good profile. And I like reading profile pieces. You don't have to agree with every profile piece that's out there. 

I literally haven't heard about Kid Rock because he hasn't put out any new music.

I'm not seeing him do anything. I was in Nashville. I saw that he had a bar. And I actually, I remember thinking, ugh, a Kid Rock bar. No thanks.

That's my delusional example for you. Today. 

Kid Rock.

Rock.  So we got a billionaire building another Titanic submersible. We got Kid Rock. 

BBC did an investigation into L'Oreal and Estee Lauder and their perfumes are linked to child labor. 

L'Oreal and Estee Lauder is one of the companies that I don't, I don't mess around with.

No. That feels like a Boeing situation. It feels like a view.

Don't dig 

too 

deep. Don't 

dig too deep. 

Or You

die. 

They'll 

kill ya. 

They'll kill ya. 

 

 So there's been a through line through our episodes, I think this is episode four, correct? And in almost every episode, Andrew Scott has come up.

I wondered if he would come up again

today. Well,  up

again. I, he can come up anytime. How tall is Andrew Scott?  Oh. 

How tall? 

Five foot six and a half.  Oh.  I do love a short king.  Gay or not. 

I 

mean,

I've dated men 

who turned out were gay. 

Oh I did too! 

Oh yeah! 

We're gonna bleep out the names.

I 

didn't 

never 

date 

 



but 

I

went with him. I gave him a handjob once. You did? Yeah, 

I dated  now Gay. He was on the men's water 

team. Um 

So handsome though.

I went to theatre school for four years where I kissed and made out with a lot of gay men

 Quinn.

You did?  

But I haven't had 10 minutes to even listen to it. I can't listen to it on the go, guys. Or I gotta bring a pair of panties to change 

It's almost too long, some of the stories.

Oh, really? Not, you just need it, like, get to the point? 

Sometimes I just kind of scrub ahead. And then I go, oop, too far, too 

far. 

Come  where are you when you're listening to these stories?

you. You perv.  

I 

am a perv.

Where 

Where are 

you? Tell me everything. What are you wearing? What's the lighting situation? 

, sometimes bath.

Oh.

Yeah, quiet

so not having any devices in my bedroom, I have to find a place to listen to my audio Erotica.

Yeah, you gotta go to the, gotta go to the kitchen, or the 

living room, Do it in the car. I'm also rarely alone. This is tricky for me, like I eat in my car. It's a whole thing.

You have to be alone for at least 10 minutes, and maybe that's, that's the bigger issue. 

I think that's part of the problem, yes. Yeah. Okay, so Andrew 

Scott. 

Andrew Scott. He's gonna be in Knives Out Three. I love the Knives Out series. They're great. Ryan Johnson is, uh, the writer and director of these.  It's a real good who Done it Right, the Knives Out, if you haven't seen them,

Highly recommend. Highly 

recommend. First 

one. Yeah, it's an ensemble cast. Is that what we call that? Yes.  Chris Evans was in the first one with Ana de Armas.

She was exceptional. That was like our introduction to Ana de 

Ana de Armas was so good in 

Then Knives Out 2.

 With Janelle Monáe. 

Oh, And Adrienne Brody Kate Hudson. 

Okay, who's tell me about Knives Out 3. When's it coming? 

is going to be coming out. it's going to be on 

so it looks like Andrew Scott will be in there of Fleabag, Ripley and All of Us Strangers.  It looks like Josh O'Connor is going to be in there from 

Oh! He's a, just, goofy little, mm,

Yeah, yum. Did you know that,  Trent Reznik did the soundtrack to Challengers? 

that? I didn't, I didn't know 

it.

it's 

so good.  Trent Reznor,  of Nine Inch Nails, is an exceptional composer and he's scored a lot of movies.  If you want to feel really dramatic and really productive, you just turn on any Trent Reznor score.

He made Tenet into a good movie with his music. 

Also Kaylee Spaney is also going to be in it.  Who was in Priscilla. 

Speaking of movies, did you read or watch or look at any of the film reviews coming out of Cannes?

Yes, there's a Canadian movie I really want to see 

actually.  It's called Universal Language.

It's the idea that like, Iranian cinema has gone into Winnipeg, The city, Winnipeg, but everything is in Farsi.

And, what would happen if, if Iran had invaded Winnipeg years ago and now it was just this little Iranian Winnipeg?  It's very funny, I think.

Matthew Rankin,  is the director.  They considered it an experimental comedy,  it got the audience award at Cannes.

It's a cool idea.

So you're getting snow covered Winnipeg, but then they're saying, which almost is something like not present day Tehran, but Tehran in the eighties and nineties. All the signs are in Farsi,  

Supposed to be funny. This is not supposed to be some like metaphorical take on our immigration

policy. 

No, no, no, no. Like Tim Horton serves donuts and Persian specialties  and it's just,  supposed to be, it's no comment on anything. 

We've talked about this specifically with music, but I think it can be the same with film. Not everything has to be a comment on something, not everything has to be a philosophical take. You know, it can just be enjoyable, it can just be entertainment.

Do you have anything that's caught your attention?

 Yes, I want to see Emilia Perez. This is the one with Selena Gomez,  kinds of 

Kindness.  Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis people don't know if it's  high art or just an absolute dumpster fire.

So obviously I want to see that.

like poor things  

You didn't 

like

I know 

I know that's 

i'm saying Is it high art or is it just a dumpster 

fire?

Well, so will you be interested in seeing Kinds of Kindness? 

Who made it?  

 Yorgos Lanthimos.

Oh yeah, Yorgos. He won the, uh, the awards for directing and

He won all the awards for poor things. So, so now he has kinds of kindness out. Again, Emma Stone.

Which I'm sure she'll be naked the entire fucking time. Jesse Plemons, Willem Dafoe, Margaret Qualley, and Hong Chao. Jesse Plemons won an award for his acting in this film.

 He'll be doing the Oscar circuit. You love him, hey?

Yeah.

I haven't seen a recent picture.

You are going to just be shocked. I don't know the story, but I know that he looks very different.

Jesse Plemons, who is married to,  

That's a wholesome 

jesse. Do 

think, he's unozempic?  

I mean, maybe he's just working out and eating salads. 

Yeah.  Famous people are allowed to just have someone cook all their food for them.

Absolutely. But either way,  people gain weight, lose weight. he looks so different.

Damn.  Hello,

Jesse. 

shag 10 Absolutely. 

You know what, we don't know anything about  his health, chronic health, whatever.

 And who cares if he is on it? I don't know. I think people can get up in arms about that kind of thing. 

Speaking of Ozempic, have you heard about the Ozempic baby boom?

No, not babies do!

 Apparently, there are these miracle babies being born.

There's a news report out. About all these women who couldn't be moms, who then were on ozempic for any number of reasons, and they started having babies.

Surprise, you're pregnant? What if you had moved on and you're like, I'm good with it. I

I know. There's two hypotheses. So one is weight loss. That the weight was a prohibiting factor in becoming pregnant.

The second one is that the way semaglutide,  the way ozempic works  it slows down your digestive tract. And so another hypothesis is that it potentially impacts the absorption of your birth control pill.

 Yes. 

Do you take birth control? No.

How 

do you make sure you don't have a baby?

I'm 41. It's fine.



No, it's not.

You haven't hit menopause?

No, but I haven't been able to have a kid yet. When we were trying in our thirties, it was to no avail. I went 

and 

got

tested. You tried?  Oh 

yeah. Yeah.

You wanted

kids? I did. The fuck? 

Yeah.

And then it 

just kind of got to the point where, my husband and I got a little bit older and we kind of went, I think. I think it's not going to happen. We also made the choice to not do IVF.

Before I even tried to have kids, I said I'm not going 

down 

that

road. I admire the people who do that. It's so 

too.  And also those people know for certain that they want to be a mom, that 

they want

to have a child.

I didn't know either way. I was like, I mean, if we, if 

we have 

kids, that would be great. I went, we got tested. We're like, can we have kids? The doctor was like, I mean, yeah, 

you

could.

Why did the doctor have so many question marks at the end of their sentence?

because ultimately I was 36 at the time and they said, you're a bit old. 

Wild. What is it, 35 and up is a 

geriatric

pregnancy. I didn't want to go through that. 

I do not take any oral birth control. I use my personality, and it is 100 percent  

percent effective. 

  Have like an IUD or a pill? Yes,   how lucky are we that we can access this shit?  So lucky to be able to access birth control.

Is it true that you can now, get birth control without a prescription? 

Because that would be the goal, if you could buy Tylenol and a birth control at the same spot. 

 In Canada we're making birth control free. In Louisiana, it's a lot harder  to deal with this shit. 

 , lawmakers in Louisiana voted 64 to 29 to reclassify drugs used in abortion as controlled dangerous substances, which is obviously a move staunchly protested by hundreds of physicians in the same state.

The targeted drugs, by the way, have a lower death rate than Viagra. So this isn't about dangerous substances. This comes down to women, controlling bodies, pro life, etc. Just a garbage pile. So feeling extra grateful to be in Canada where it is, can still be a challenge, but it is much less of a challenge  

emily, I have a question for you. What do you crave when you're the busiest? 

Am I 

happy busy 

or? Happy 

busy. I'm happy busy.

 What do I crave when I'm happy busy, like when I'm productive and flow? Nothing.  I am like in the zone when I'm in the zone and I look up and it's five hours later. If I'm unhappy busy, if I'm overwhelmed, I either want to, this is a theme for me, I want to be alone.

I find myself. Recently, wanting to go out to eat by myself, like go have a brunch, to date myself, to have forced downtime, you know, to get a manicure, I don't, I never do my nails, but to have a manicure so that I can't touch my phone, to go out to coffee or have cocktails with the girls, so that I am like fully engrossed in something else.

It's almost like I crave focus when I'm overwhelmed. I want to simplify, simplify, simplify. I,

want to clean my room.

want to reorganize.

I want to reorganize. I want to clean my kitchen, clean out my fridge.   Clean and purge my house to like give the semblance of, simplification.

It's a great gift to give yourself, right?

When you, like, when you control the space and you reset the space 

you go, 

now. 

Yeah, or make a 

list. 

I like a list. a list, yeah. A fresh notebook. The promise of, 

a

of a different future when I buy that new 

notebook. A new 

notebook. A good pen.

Three pages and 

Yes.  One

of my favorite things to do when I'm really busy is to go to a park and sit on a blanket with a book. 

 I practice bubble thinking, which 

means  

means no,  no, it's 

just 

Caitlin term. 

 It's the idea that no one can penetrate this little bubble. So I sit on my blanket and there's, I imagine a bubble around me and no one can look at me or talk to me they don't need anything from me and I don't need anything from them.

Oof.  They don't need anything from me, and I don't need anything from them. What a world. 

I've also been gardening. And they say that gardening is one of the best things you can do. And I know we don't, not everyone has the space to garden.

But if you can just get a little herb garden going in your kitchen, put something on your balcony, you know, put your hands in some 

dirt. It's 

so 

good for your brain.

I love it. 

I spent

three weekends working on my very tiny yard. It was very satisfying. I've been annoyed at my neighbor's yard, so I landscaped his yard too.

You did? 

Yeah. 

Because you 

you were 

sick of looking 

at 

it? Yeah, 

Yeah, 

sure.

Little control freak. It's 

wild too, the idea of of not being needed. I don't know, it's a dicey game to play  because I wonder if I'd feel really lonely and sad if nobody needed me.

 I'm that productive A type girly who wants to be helpful and 

useful, and I think that my life would feel a lot different if nobody actually needed me.

You had said before that you wanted to date yourself, 

right? No, 

myself. 

No, No, when you were like going out for dinner, 

I

want to take myself out for 

dinner.

no,

no, no, no, 

no, 

not long term. Um, 

you'd 

have a one 

stand with yourself, 

that 

would 

be 

be fun. Would fun. I'd

be curious to have a one night stand with myself. 

Yeah, it would be super fun. I would never date myself.  I would never date an Emily. I used to be attracted to the male version of me. That never went well. We made great 

friends. My theory is there are very few A type men who are looking for A partner. 

An A type partner. 

There are some, don't get me wrong.  I think they're hard to come by.

 the gender is irrelevant. I think two A types in a partnership is hard to make work. 

 in my case, I have someone who's A type.

in large and in charge in their work, and I'm large and in charge at home.  This is my house. I run the money. I run the businesses.  I run the kids. I'm in charge. I make the decisions.  It works because we change seats.

Someone's driving, someone's passenger. Someone's 

driving, someone's 

Yeah. 

You have the calendar. You've got things planned. Your life and managing other 

things.

you got 

it.

There was a good example just a couple days ago

my partner,

He had new vitamins and I was like, oh you got new vitamins and he was like, well, yeah I thought I would be helpful and instead of Me adding it to the list for when you go to the drugstore I'll just get my own vitamins and I was like, yes, and You  When you go, could you ask me for my list so that you can get it, too?

Like, just doesn't think about the other people. Feels, not needed. Doesn't have someone relying on him for that. Which I find fascinating, because my every thought is You know, are we boring Jose? this good? , who needs this?  My daughter needs this. My son needs this.

My mom's birthday. You know, it's like bup, and , 

in two weeks I've got to move that plant.

Not now, but later I

Every room I walk into, Oh yeah, this. 

Oh 

yeah, 

that. Oh 

yeah, 

that. Oh 

yeah, that. 

when I'm overwhelmed, I would like to, I'll say not date myself, but take myself on a date.

yes, Yes, 



Where often it revolves around food. 

Go up to, you know, Livia Cafe on Commercial Drive and have  the polenta or grab a coffee and go for a walk. I love walking. I could go on hour long walks and let that mind just unwind and just come back with like a million new good ideas.

 I would go to a movie by myself. I would do a lot by myself. But sometimes I enjoy being immersed in a conversation with someone else. And let someone else do the talking.

 As much as I can't shut the fuck up. I like when other people talk.

What I like about gardening is that it reminds me of like my purpose and place in the world a little

bit, 

irrelevance?

my 

irrelevance. It does. And, and also a little bit of nurturing because I don't,  nurture every day, which is interesting.

Going out every morning  taking the five minutes to water the garden.

Mm hmm.

I talk to my plants  all right, how you doing 

in there little buddy? Yeah. 

Total pep talk. 

Me too. Came home from work the other day. It was a 13 hour day. I was tired and I was weeding. I

wanted 

come to my house 

Yeah. Happily. I would take the weed out and the feeling of getting the root  

was 

it's like plucking, it's like 

yes, it's like getting the 

chin 

hair 

that 

you go. You  

fucker. 

 It was so satisfying and it was so simple.

I think I've been craving that very simple feeling

Yeah, simplification. I think in our era that we live in, it's completely daunting. People are exhausted and overwhelmed. 

You remember the whole news about people shagging on P3 at the Arbutus Club?

What? 

 Okay.  So I guess every couple of years, this rumor circulates about the Arbutus club, which is a private club here in Vancouver.

And apparently some  parents. Specifically, hockey parents, there's a specific age and specific group that while their kids are at practice, these parents are meeting on P3 and having, training partners. 

Oh! 

I didn't hear it. And P3 you mean like the parking level three? 

I've got some friends who are members there,  

ask them what they 

So I have asked them what they know and they all just say they're sad they weren't invited. 

 This spread like wildfire.

This was all over the internet. One of my guy friends, he said, it just goes to show you how under sexed we all are that everybody got so excited about this. And I wanted to ask You know, threading through the conversation of how busy and overwhelmed we all are, do you think we are undersexed?

 I'm not interested in objective. I'm interested in anecdotal and subjective. Do you think people are having less sex and are we undersexed? Is that why we love Audio Erotica? Is that why, you know, Andrew Scott, we sit here in lust on this fucking podcast all the time?

We are under sexed.  I think sex is still seen as something where it's  either for a purpose. Or for want and lust and pleasure.

What else would it be for?

health. 

 That's a great point. 

I  she 

going? It has to be something that's magnificent and passionate as opposed to just being 

like, 

Yeah. Wanna? 

 Who's 

having sex every day? 

Liars. 



 Somebody

said too  that SSRIs will kill your sex drive.

We're not horny because we have our phones and our TVs and we're so dopamine hit in all these other ways. 

Yeah. And I think sex would often happen, you know, in those moments that are now being filled with phone time,



Yeah.



right?

You wake up first thing in the morning, great time to have sex unless you're on your phone right away and checking the news, checking the email, checking the Instagram, checking the

There's phone, and can we also add, you know, the demands of a person living today? 

And do we consider it an indulgence or a treat?

So that way we don't do it all the time because we think like, oh, I can't have sex every day, That'd be wild, but we would want to have vegetables every day. You're supposed to work out every day. You're supposed to get your heart rate 

a really good point.

 Are we?

 So, so, so influenced men too, around how we're supposed to look and the preparation and all the build up and men, you know, this expectation that they have to perform and have like a fucking ten inch erection every time,  is the expectation just too much given how we live now?

and do we have to have an orgasm every time?

Does that define 

sex?

If women  have to have an orgasm every time, then no one's having 

sex. 

gonna take 30 minutes.

Yeah.

Sometimes a quickie is great.

I was trying to explain to someone that  you don't have to get me off, you can just lay there and play with my hair.

Like, you just draw on my back. That's intimate. That's lovely. 

I think too much. Like, where does this expectation come from? What's the right number?

And is it that I'm under sexed or am I, you know, missing connection with people, intimacy? Again, I'm like, when the fuck would I do it?

Wouldn't it be funny if a doctor prescribed sex? If a doctor was like, and how much sex are you having, and how much are you working out,  and then all of a sudden you're like, oh god, like the doctor said I have to have more sex.

That'd be amazing. 

This headline, questionable. Gen Z isn't having sex or reaching milestones like their parents. First of all, thinking of it as a milestone, curious, 

yep. 

Of course, we're going to blame it on phones.

Listen, I'm the first one to blame shit on tech, but like in this case, come on. U. S. teens spend nearly five hours a day on social media. In this study from the University of California, they found that 38 percent of those in Gen Z in our post COVID world are simply not having sex. 

That also reflects in the fashion, of folks, of this generation.

The fashion is, my body is not for your perception.

Baggier clothing. They're also saying  I don't define myself by this gender or this 

gender.

there's there's a lot more fluidity. There's different ideas. 

I mean, people, talk about like population and  birth rates and that kind of stuff and there's all sorts of opinions on that, but I'm talking about like a person's existence, full stop.

Having sex can be a really enjoyable thing, it can also be not enjoyable for some people, and that's fine too. But I find it very curious 

38 percent of them. That's a lot.  Yeah, and 

so

are they 

against us?

No, I, I, I don't 

think everything is about us, 

You know, this was in the States, so like access to birth control, if, if somebody was about to take away my abortion rights  .

It seems a nuclear issue to have sex

 We didn't even mention,  how fucking expensive it is to have children.

I mean, I'm talking about the human desire to want to get down.  And it seems like that has decreased.

 Are people doing things that they enjoy? Are people doing things and enjoying their life and like getting their dopamine

Yeah. Do we see sex as something that is actually like great for all parties involved?

No, I don't think so.

Yeah, it's kind of interesting, and not meaning to be like depressing, more just curious. I think there's a lot of circumstances that make sex a lot less desirable. Which is so Crazy because it's such primitive, natural thing to 

want

to do. Yes, 

 If you have a lot of sex in, you know, in your 20s as a woman, you can get a label. 

Something. 

I sure did. And I did too. Did people call you names? I'm sure people did. They never did to my 

face. Never

to my face, but maybe I called myself  

I never thought of myself as slutty. For all the sex I've had, I don't think of myself as slutty.

This is the episode I don't want my mom listening to.

I was not under sex in my 20s, but here's the thing, here is how I thought about sex in my 20s. I thought, you're gonna laugh, this is what, you would not have liked me in my 20s. I was boy 

crazy. So 

I thought that I had to have sex with a guy to make him like me.

Why do you think I was having sex with guys?

Oh 

my god  I know isn't that so stupid

Because I was like, this is, this is my 

currency. 

I, I really

thought it was my currency. That I could, this is how I could let them know that I liked them.

Yeah, This  

them.

It was you know Late teens, early 20s was never about my pleasure.

 No. 

And I wish I knew then what I know now. For sure. I

was a late bloomer when it came to sex. In high school,  my hard nipples really stopped me from flirting.   That in like, 

you can't have, 

your charming personality? No,

I'll 

tell you 

what it was. It was having Tourette's as a teenager where you're like, it's not sexy to have twitches all the time, but that's okay.

I found comedy. But when I did finally start dating, I thought of it as a currency. Yeah,  I was crazy for boys. I remember my mom saying that she said, you know, the minute a boy likes you, you just end it right away. And I went, hell yeah, I 

yeah. it was the same. .  

I think this is why women in particular love the comfort of audio erotica or even romantic comedies because we're not getting those fulfilled in our lives. Some folks would say those things set unrealistic expectations. I would say. Let's give the audience the benefit of the doubt that they can tell fact from fiction and just enjoy a good story.

 But that made me think about rom coms and books, and there are a few good books out this summer, and I wanted to know where you find your books. Do you read book guides or summer reading guides to like, curate your list for what you're going to read this summer or do you just walk into a bookstore and pick a 

book?

I love recommendations from people that I already know we have similar styles or tastes. 

 Now that everybody's got like book talk and there's, bookstagrammers and influencers and it's hard to know, is this book that they're recommending me actually any good or are they getting paid to promote this book?

So there are three. reading guides that are put out that I really enjoy and I'll link to them in the show notes. They are a mix of kind of what we used to call chiclet, which is really just fiction with a female protagonist. Some of it's more literary, some of it's more thought provoking

there's one called Sarah's Bookshelves. There's  one   A woman who goes by What Maddie Read and then one that's Biblio Lifestyle and they're all really good. They've got a good kind of breakdown of different types of books to read and some people charge for them but these three are free.

One I've dived early into which I was going to wait to read in the summer is Kevin Kwan. He has a new one. Kevin Kwan wrote Crazy Rich 

Asians. 

yeah. 

Did you 

read 

it? 

I did. Did you watch 

it.  it

Yeah. So fun. Lush, great story.  This one is called Lies and Weddings and I'm like three pages in and I'm so excited.

Do you have it 

already?

Yeah, it's so fun.  Globe trotting, luxury lifestyle, family 

drama. Love that. Yeah, a lot of fun. 

I want fiction. I want, like, a good story. And I don't read on a Kindle. I like a

book. 

I need a book.

Yeah. I need a book. Do you have a favorite book  

well, I just finished The Covenant of Water.

 by Abraham Verghese, Verghese. He also did Cutting for Stone. Great. Covenant of Water was beautiful. Yeah, I love East of Eden by John  

Oh my god. 

Yeah. 

like a, you like heavy.

I like heavy and I like generations. I like a book that tells a big, big 

here's a book that I loved.  It's not a new one, but  it's essays written by Casey Wilson.  Uh, Casey Wilson is a comedian. She also has a podcast called Bitch Sesh. And she wrote a bunch of essays called The Wreckage of My Presence. That 

is

a great title,

title. And if you don't want to buy it, she does also the audio book for it.

Oh, it's 

so funny,  

especially by the author. Who's also, she's got a great voice. She's telling her own stories, the wreckage of my presence.  

Big fan of audiobooks. There was a time I wasn't able to read post, head trauma and I really enjoy a good audiobook.

One of my favorites is Kate Quinn.

the Huntress! I 

love 

Kate 

Quinn!

Very satisfying stories. I do like a satisfying ending. I'm down for whatever the author's down for. I don't always have to agree with the 

book.

 And then I do like a frothy Emily Henry.  There's one, Every time I go on vacation someone dies by the author Catherine Mack. They're great.  I'll link to all those and if you're looking for book recommendations, I'll link to those Summer reading guides and you can always subscribe to the newsletter because I always recommend at least two or three

Yeah. 

I have 

to say too, Kristen Hannah, 

the Great Alone. .

I 

read that one.

It feels a little bit

like it's a bit young for me.  Some of the stuff that she's writing.

Speaking of young for you.

Have you heard of Maxton Hall?  Oh my God. It's the horniest, funnest, most delicious six episode series on Prime right 

now.

Send it to 

me.   It's German. But you just listen to it in

English. Yes, please.

Delightful, young adult. 

 It was wonderful. You will binge it. It is just A predictable, comfortable, enemies to lovers story. 

okay, I have an album recommendation. 

Hit me. 

Cutworms.  Cutworms. It's very indie pop. It's very fun. It's very Brooklyn, New York. 

Okay, Cutworms. 

That is the generic name for the caterpillar stage of multiple species of moths. 

 Gross. 

Alright, we'll listen to that..  

Oh, you know who is a singer songwriter that I'm enjoying is Maya Hawke.

Ethan and, 

Ethan 

and Uma's, yeah, she's got a real Maggie Rogers kind of 

I didn't know she had music out. She, I love her acting.

Boy Genius.

Oh my god.

So Boy Genius, do you know them?

Yes, I'm very familiar. Okay, 

well. 

I 

do 

think that I'm just catching on to the internet.

That's what we're here for! We're here to, throw stuff at people because it's such a ridiculously overwhelming place.

It's hard to find good books, good music,  that's why your weekly breakdown exists, that's why hardcopy exists.  📍 Because I just want to make it easy for people.

 Oh my god, we didn't even do our advice! Well, we'll have to wait 

the next

time. Oh, shoot. We have so much advice for you.

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