Tony Armstrong and 2001 A Space Odyssey

Good day, Peter Helly here, welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast, where our check to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest Tony Armstrong.

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Where do we start with Tony Armstrong? Well, he played some AFL footy for the La Crows, Sydney Swan's and Collingwood, but it's been his more recent foray into the media where Tony has been turning heads with a smile that could light up the mcg. Tony is the host of indigenous AFL footy program The Brilliant Yucky, a collaboration between

Today, I'm Tony Armstrong.

My three favorite films are Batman Begins.

You're Just an Ordinary Man?

And Keep ex Machina? Could you Program her to Flirt with Me? And Inception?

Think about It?

Ariadne, How did you get here? Where are you right now?

But up until only recently there was a film that had really been sticking out as one that I hadn't seen. I'm a big fan of science fiction, and it's perhaps the og science fiction film two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey.

Yes you ain't seen nothing yet, fan Zach Grubrickery in the venture continues as Stanley heads into outer space via the Dawn of Time, where apes have a territory war over a dirty puddle at least a year before Neil and Buzz walked on the Moon. In collaboration with writer Arthur C. Clark, two thousand and one of Space Odyssey is a film you need to create time for. It's a majestic third I think piece. It's evocaty of imagery will either entrance you or have you looking at your watch.

I mean, I'd no idea what I was watching it. At the start, I was like, this is this heat? It was pretty weird?

Was it?

Like?

I paused it to see because I thought this audio is coming through. You got that black still with this orchestral music, which is amazing, and you're wondering. After a while, you're wondering, Okay, hang on, this is going on for a bit. Do you is something wrong with my TV?

I've actually got a confession to make.

So got on one of the streamers to watch it. Boarded off one of the streamers Amazon Prime, like, so rented it for a month and started playing it. And I'm sat there with my house mate David, and we're watching it and we stuffed up the audio ever so slightly, like it wasn't an obvious stuff up, but it was.

Like having a golf commentation. It was, agree is going now, we're going in out of space. Second, it was seven would by the way, and we and we kind of looked at each other after five minutes, you know, after you kind of.

You get to the ape spit and we're like, no, this can't be right.

Right, So we fiddled around with the audio and I mean it was a bit of it. Well at least it made us think that we were watching the right thing. Yeah, because if I didn't have that, I would have thought I was I'd taken a wrong turn somewhere, all right.

So I I thought for I think a few years that I had seen this film. I just kind of and I but I didn't really have many thoughts on it, which should have been the biggest indicator that I have not seen this film. So what I think though, because

Is a space movie that I mean it was. And then and then watching that at the start, you know, the apes were like like they're just with the bones and they touched the monolith.

Yeah, and then and then it gives them this kind of divine intervention whatever you might call it. To start, I guess the weapon age or the age of tools. Yeah, and then it's pretty brutal. You see them, you know, belt the other ape and I'm like, oh my, what, Like where's space here?

Like, I mean, get me on a.

Ship as I want to see Where's Yeah, I mean, I'm happy for that crossover to happen. But like I was so confused, and then clearly the movie goes on. But I got to the end of it and I had no idea really, Like I had a few ideas as to what I'd watched, Like I loved a lot of it, but I.

Mean, as as you said, Clark.

Was it who Yeah, I have to see Clark so interestingly and move on before we get too deep into this. But arth to see Clark. This was interesting. They actually collaborated on this, and there's one of the rare instances where a film was being developed at the same time as a book. So the art see Clark kind of took care of the book, but they kind of worked together, which is an amazing way of doing it.

That is, because obviously it's always not obviously normally it's the book. Then the movie and then everyone complains because the book, I mean sorry, because the movie just never goes in it as much depth as the book. Well, this this went into so much depth. I didn't know where I was. I didn't know how deep I was.

Yeah, well, we'll go even deeper possible. We'll keep a shallow when we come back and speak about two thousand and one of Space. Obnestly, I think I told you that this is like the fourth It's the fourth Kubrick film we have done. One of the very early episodes of this podcasting series. One was a clock Ork Arrange with Christopher part What a film. Amazing. Then we've done The Shining last week with Tommy Dassolo, and the week before is that three he might be three in might

Well, So, for me, what I loved about it A I was at the perfect time age wise for a film like that to come out. Loved superheroes, loved Batman rather than Suman.

I find a lot of people of Batman vs. Superman.

Yeah, I am huge Batman fan. I was fifteen sixteen when it came out, so just at the right age to get right around a big action film, but also redefined at the super the superhero genre.

So it was the first.

One that really went dark. Yeah, yeah, you know before that was like pow.

Because that KaBlam, you know it.

But this was well, it's interesting to say that because I was I was in the hitting zone when Batman was called Batman eighty nine, it was called Batman. Yeah. Michael Michael ketchaelgagh Keaton was an extent as Joker. Yeah, and that that felt dark like that was that that felt for me the first time it was like, oh, you like this is taking superheroes seriously and getting a bit darker. And then the the more that series went along,

Was that when he was Forever.

Yes, I forget the the order of it as Batman Batman Returns.

It was Batman, Batman Returns, then Batman Forever.

And then Batman and Robin Yes, the Clooney, Yes, Chris O'Donnell. So by that stage, I think by the third film, I think the Batman Returns, they got away with it and then it became a bit almost camp.

Yeah, no it did.

Yeah, so the one with like Clooney and whoever played Yeah, yeah O'Donnell, who played who played Robin?

Like it was like a departure from reality, you know.

And and and I think as much of a stretch as it is that a guy dresses up as a bat and runs around and fites crime, and of course that's ridiculous, it needs to be grounded in a real truth and a real reality. And I and that's what I found with Batman begins like you could you could actually believe this character again apart from the like being a billionaire or like all the stuff that is so obvious, but it was really really dark. It didn't really show

And yeah, it got in first. I was like, oh wow, this is.

We can do this. And now, even though the other two some people like more, I think the critically acclaimed one is Dark Knight yep, a Dark Knight where Heath Ledger of course posthumously won an Oscar. Yeah, so that one's obviously probably the most critically acclaimed one.

But for me, it's Batman Begins Yep.

Excellent, ex Machina is amazing, amazing film Seener.

Yeah, what a film that is?

It?

Basically it plays plays.

On the Turing test, which is, you know, the I guess, the final test of artificial intelligence, just to see if

Like we straightaways we know that that it's that it's.

Influencing our behaviors, our thought patterns, the way we the way we act, the way we think. But then to kind of see it played out like that through the lens of this obvious robot who is still like weirdly beautiful it's it's it's it's so strange.

It's Alicia for Canada. It's the first time I think I've even seen her on screens around an Oscar a couple of years later.

But yeah, yeah, and and and just watching that, and watching his descent, and and and the way that she manipulates.

The lead character, the Redhead fell I forgotten his name.

He's the Dominal Glease. I think it's dominall. So he's he was in the recent Star Wars films, and he's the son of Brennan Gleason.

He's also in He's also in an episode of Black Mirror, and.

All the English actors are Yeah, I know, right, I take a ticket.

But yeah, and and and just watching the way she pits him against against I guess the crazy tech billionaire.

He's so brilliant and scary and captivating.

I love films, And obviously two thousand and one of Space Obyusly is a big influence on X MAC And you know, obviously with all the always I guess the AI stuff. But I love films, science fiction films that are set closer to Earth, you know, like that that are kind of almost happening on Earth. Arrival I sure he's yeah yeah with Amy Adams and that's that's a brilliant simple film. But but is about so many massive things and like and Arrive, like.

The tent, the kind of tension like what would you do?

Yeah, yes, yeah shit, yeah, I'm not going in there.

The simple bravery that character shows, yeah, is stunning. And you know, you can show bravery so many different ways, and where we see often where it's so obvious that they're being brave because they're going into a burning building, or they're taking on a massive monster, you know, but it's a subtle bullets fly, but it's exactly But in Arrival, that's a beautiful depiction of bravery.

Yeah, you're exactly right.

And I think as well with sci fi stuff, I like being freaked out, but it a bit in terms of I love getting existential dread. I also love like getting over thatesistential dread very fast after I've got it, But when it first comes, I'm like whoa, yeah, like who knows what's going to happen? And you know, it's not a not a movie. But I've already I've already mentioned it. Black Mirror, all of the Black Mirror stuff is so so fantastic because it does that you can see so simply and.

So close to where we are, how this stuff can happen.

I really admire people who can project. I mean, it's fun to take the piss out of futurists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get a real job. But you know, you know there's another way for that, guesser, But I want that kick, Yeah exactly, Yeah, I got putting your foot tips in. But I I admire anyone who can see the trends of where we're heading and kind of see how that will affect us ten years, twenty years, and even now

Gets the tinpoil hat off your head.

It's a telephone, mate, You call it, you use it to call me, and uh and you know it is like you know, it's yes, it is also a phone. It's also a camera, but you know these are my phone.

It knows where we are?

Is it where we are?

You know?

I don't know if you've ever.

Seen the clip of David Bowie when the Internet first comes out and he's in an MTV interview and someone's going, oh, it's just another way of you know, trans transmitting information, and David is like, no, it's going to completely change the way we deliver information, the way we receive information.

It's going to change all of our art mediums.

It's he basically everything that he said in this in this clip, it goes for about a minute.

And a half. He's like, no wonder, Like no wonder.

David Bowie was able to do everything that he did in so many different art art forms because it was like he'd been to twenty twenty one and then and this interview would have been the mid nineties. It just and exactly to your point, but just on the guesses, do you know the other gig? I really want, you know, the feels like Guy for Weather.

Ten twenty seven, but it feels like twenty six. Yeah, I don't understand.

It feels like the other one. The pressure gauge in footage.

I don't know how are they measuring that to eighty six? That's through the roof.

That's good, I think, because there's red underneath it.

Let's go to inception. We'll stay on the science fiction. I mean this, I remember seeing this in the cinema. In fact, I saw it before I got to see a previous I knew very little outside of it being Christopher Nolan and an amazing cast. But bloody hell, it is so good.

I mean, what a great idea of you know, each like the layers of dreams and each dream you go down, time gets slower. And then the idea that you can put yourself into someone else's dream and then influence their thinking by making them bye, by conceivingly making them think that they've come up with a thought of their own volition. Yeah, brilliant,

I thought I'm going through the island and lost, but maybe I miss maybe.

I was like, no, no, no, that was two thousand and one.

We'll get to that. So when you're watching a film like Inception, how important is it? How do you watch it? Are you trying to work it out? Or on first viewing? Do you come to understand it the more you watch it? Because I tend to watch those films like like that. Inception is a great example. You explained it then better than I ever could. But I watched it as almost a heist movie.

Well it is.

Exactly, and that's how I enjoyed it as a heist movie. I'm sure there are things that happen in the Inception that I don't understand, and I'm sure even the ending, I'm still just anyone know that. Well that's and we'll certainly get to that with two thousand and one. The idea of of do we have to know everything that happens in a movie? Sometimes people get frustrated with like not having it all tied up.

I love it.

Yeah, Yeah, I think there are ways of doing it where it really works. And I think itsception is a really good example of that seen movie Jim Jimmish movie with Bill Murray called Broken Flowers, and it was I really enjoyed that film, and he was about Bill Murray played a guy and he's going around to various I think X ex girlfriends of his and uh, I forget, I've only saent little once because the ending frustrated me. And and he I forget why he's going around to

It can leave you with questions without Yeah, you're right. I think inception is a great one because it leaves you with so many questions, but also it's a perfect point to leave it because then you go, well, where will we like, at what level were we watching the film, Matt? Were we in a dreamscape? Were we in real life?

Does it matter? Really?

Like, you know, is he happy enough just going into that dreamscape and living there forever?

Or is it? Or is it true? I mean brilliantly done.

And you're right, there can be a nice juncture to or there can be a really nice point to do it where you leave people with questions but they still feel like they've got some.

Form of closure.

Yeah, and it sounds like that Bill Murray film.

You're like, Oh, I would have liked to have had a few more signposts. Yeah, yeah, just a couple.

Yeah, there are questions you can have with inception in two thousand and one, which I think are really healthy and great for discussion. And can enhance your enjoyment of the movie. What you don't want to do is a question of like what happened there? Like what what you know? What you're not giving me enough to kind of go

To do a hit on him exactly?

And I think the brilliant thing about that is the motif the whole way through has been ding. They look up like that, You're gone, yeah, but we don't see him, like we don't see that. So you watch it and you think you know what happens, like I think he dies, but I don't know. And I love that. And I think us talking about this out loud, because I've never really spoken about the end of films that have or series that are unresolved.

I think it's if you can leave it with a couple of.

Paths from that last moment, I think audiences are happy, Yeah, because I can see why it's that path. I can see why it's that path, or I can see what's that path, or I can see what it's that path. I don't know, but I can justify each of them. So I still feel like I've got closure even though I don't know.

Maybe, yes, well acolutely.

And the great thing is you might think that Tony Soprano gets gets killed in that moment. I might think that he doesn't. Neither of us are wrong, Yeah, exactly, And then the creator they have changed it is more than happy for us to have that. He's not He's not asking us necessarily to you know, oh yeah, He's probably happy for us to healthily debate what it might mean. But and what I love about two thousand and one

What does that character want?

Are their intentions, as you know, as as easy as believable as what they're suggesting they are, Like, you know, you just keep asking questions. You want the audience to keep asking questions, because if the audience knows everything, you're dead in the water. And I think those kinds of endings great.

Now.

I'm not saying every show like there's been like that, Yeah exactly. There have been some movies and that have tied up nicely and they've been really satisfying. I don't necessarily prefer one or the other, no, but you know, it's it's how well they've done once they've chosen to go down a certain path.

It's I mean, if I was to ever write something like this, which there's just no way. I just would never be able to get drunk again because people, so what are they? I'll tell you, you know, yeah, yeah, how would you keep it in?

You know, like, well, we'll get to the ending of what I think Stanley Kubrick might be thinking.

I just mean, ingenuously, if I wrote a brilliant cliffhanger like Inception or The Sopranos, any of these ones where you left there, you left there scratching your head, I'd be I'd be six drinks away from from from blowing the lid.

Because I think.

You're right. Because what's interesting is I think the creators, you know, and if they say the writers at that time they have made up their mind that they want the audience to debate for eternity whether Tonyrono got shot or not in that in that in that final scene. If they say I think Tony got killed in that in that last scene, then that becomes facts.

Like younger, yeah, that is like you, you wrote it.

You are the creators, so we we we now believe that as fact. So you do have to then, you know, so do you think they don't know? Like genuine like do you genuinely think? And I often think this is like the cynic of me goes, well, how can you not know? But then but then also maybe they don't.

Yeah, no, I which would be the only way to do it, I think, without spilling the beans somewhere at some comic con or.

Funnily enough, I was thinking about this recently, how I think the process of writing, and one of the most powerful things about writing is how it can unlock your

So I form a therapy perhaps absolutely absolutely cathartic.

Yeah, And it doesn't always have to be therapeutic. It doesn't always have to be you dealing with but it's you exploring something that you decided to explore. So I think to even suggest that all creators and or writers know exactly what they work, like one hundred percent know exactly what that work means is not necessarily true. And I suspect Stanley Kubrick has and I think he's embraced it. I think he's smart enough to embrace that, you know,

I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure that's where we get to at the end.

But I.

Really believe that. I think the reason the Coen Brothers are so reluctant to discuss their work in detail is I think they work on the same level where it's like this is we let us subconscious into our process and we embrace it. We don't try to fight it. We don't always try to understand everything. How fascinating is that when you see something on screen where you kind of go, I'm not exactly sure what that meant, but it was cool.

It's cool. Yeah, Yeah, And I think I think that's a great.

Point in that, you know, when you reflect on your own life and some and some decisions you make and all that kind of thing, because ultimately, I think writing you make a decision to write, You make a decision to write about something you might not understand as you're saying, what the true what the true intention is at the very beginning, but on a whim you might think it's on a whim, but it probably comes from some deep

I don't know why that came out.

So you would be I think quite naive to think that everything is so so so meticulously planned out. And then when I think about someone like a Wes Anderson, who I think has everything down to you know, like the millimeter, everything so planned from the choreography of the set means to you know, the tiny little whiskey tumbler that might be on a desk in the back, like he's like got everything. I still reckon there's happy accidents

Absolutely, And what's really interesting I bet this two thousand and one is that Kubrick is famous for nothing being like by chance, you know, and the shining we spoke about Tommy Dasley last week props in the background, it's a furniture, like the design of the architecture of the hotel, so many things, and not by a chance. I get the impression, even though I know there are things in this movie two thousand and one that have been obviously

Sequences to go for five minutes.

Yeah, you know of just like a spaceship going from the left of screen to the right of screen and just slow music.

And that's why I think that's two minutes of black screen at the start with that music is a way of informing you, going this we are going to take what's coming.

I had no idea that's where that music came from either, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like I've heard that elsewhere in pop culture, and I just I just assumed I knew, well, I actually.

Is that is that?

Where is that original score or is that is that just classical music? I'm not actually sure. He listens are very good Hasney podcast at gmail dot com. Let us know if that because I thought the same thing. I thought, oh, this is where it comes from, and it maybe is where it was popularized.

Yeah, but it could be a very very old song. That's but there was also there was stuff in it as well which I thought was so brilliant and just such a weird way to do things, and I was, look, can get it going? Half the time I was thinking, how have you shot this?

Yes?

So you know the scene treadmill almost like that where he's running.

Yeah, I watched that without any thought of story. I was watching that just trying to, you know, being in and around TV now having some idea of shooting techniques and that kind of thing going.

Is it on a runner like like.

We've never done another maybe seat breakfast?

Yeah?

Yeah, I simply don't have the budget.

Got a green screen that I play around with every now and then.

Yeah, yeah, poorly, Yeah.

But it's incredible. In fact, the first episode of this podcast, Tom Gleeson nominated two thousand and one of his favorite films, and one of the things he said when he watched it. I think a boarding school was watching it thinking how

Because even one of the scenes where one of I guess the space waiters on the plane on the spaceship, she's walking along in the in the sticky shoes grip shoes, yeah, in the in the in the grip shoes, and then she goes she starts going up, but then like inverses on herself and then walks and then walks out, and you know, obviously there's cut points and.

Stuff, but you just couldn't you couldn't see any And this is what sixty.

Sixty eight, So this is a year before the moon landing. They are still working out like there's still new information coming in about the Moon's gravity, so they know a fair bit less than what we know now. And that's why I think the gravity rules in this movie are a little skew. If and I there are times when it's like, oh, hang on, why why isn't that floating? Or why isn't you know, yeah, why is this floating?

But not that.

Yes, yes, I think it's very forgivable, particularly because you know, man hadn't landed on the Moon, and I think like, in the as I'm making this film, there were some things discovered about the Moon's gravity, which may have even changed the way they would have done it had the time. But that scene, You're absolutely right, when he's running around.

Is just it's incredible.

Yeah.

And one of the other things I was thinking as I was watching it, because I had to keep reminding myself that it was in sixty eight, I was like, I can kind of see why people think the Moon landing was fake, if you know, and made in a Hollywood basement, you know, like the Chili Pepper's lyric from Californication, you know, you know, it's it's like, well, I'm watching this movie and it looks like it looks pretty bloody real. Now imagine what that looked like in sixty eight.

I kept on thinking the same thing, It's like, this would have been my Like we probably said before about other movies, and sometimes we watch movies now it's mind bling.

But I think Blade Run of twenty forty nine, the epicness of some of those, like coming into into the post apocalyptic vegas like that kind of you're.

Like, whoa right, yeah, So watching this in sixty eight though, like I mean, it smacked it unbelievable and it looks so good, Like it's funny when you take out fashion. Fashion is a big like you know, a cup holder in a way of going. This is when this film.

Was making Jean's nineties.

Yeah, exactly, exactly, and it can have a really quick technologies also that but what this does is like because it's it's space technology. I mean, they even get a bit of FaceTime going, you know, like, which is incredible.

How do you know?

Yeah again futurists, right yeah, and then they did work with you know, I think, you know, scientists and futurists and n'sa people from NASA to get the information right and.

So you know when they first get to that, I guess that kind of the space station and they've got you know, I guess the European space crew there.

Early early in the film, it looked like I've seen like officers.

That look like that like open planned, modern kind of cool ergonomic furniture, you know, you know, like the red chairs. I was like, what Danish designers done these?

You know, yeah, I was. I was looking at it.

I was like, far rut, Like that's like it's I think what they went for. Rather than like, you know, being on trend with fashion, they were like, what is like timeless cool? That is like almost you could like like you could never conceive owning any of this stuff, but you could conceive that it exists.

Well after c Clark was going to have his original idea was to have Hell nine thousand as a like mobile kind of robot. And then the reason he go with that is like is it this could date? You know, I imagine if you had Dexter from Perfect Match going around on on on that spacecraft. Yeah, that's it really quickly. So they had this, you know, this omnipresent red eye that becomes Hell nine thousand. You know how cools like amazing.

I was the first thing that came to my mind.

And I've forgotten his name from Futurama, the robot who's the robot in Futurama. I'm not a bend Bender, right, but yeah, like it's like that, you know, he's got yeah, and you're like you're like, uh, yeah.

That's aged poorly.

But but but yeah, if you can fu Durama's Cardo and it's almost a piss take, but yeah, that's on this movie.

Yeah, it's it's it sticks out because as well, even though Futurama is like piss take, everything moves just as it should because it's it's a cartoon, so you know, yeah, whereas if that like the actual technology to move whatever robot it was, you wouldn't have been able to like that wouldn't have been able to hold up. So this omnipresent and the voice, the voice of how nine thousand Wow, it was so scary.

From the first time you heard it. Yeah, from the first time you heard it, you like trouble, you know.

And I think there's been so many films since two thousand and one have been influenced by two thousand and one where you kind of I think it's loaded into us now. I wondered watching it nine sixty eight is I'll be curious as when your sense of like something's not right with this, with this AI trick in the.

First time that it was like something's malfunctioned.

Yeah, would the penny have dropped then?

Could be?

Because I think maybe not, because why would you trust at that stage.

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I hope the two of you are not concerned about this. Oh, I'm not alt. Are you quite sure?

Yeah?

I'd like to ask you a question though, of course, how would.

You count for this discrepancy between you and the twenty nine thousand. Well, I don't think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing is cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.

Listen, how there's never been an insince at all of a computer era occurring in the nine thousand series?

Has it?

None whatsoever? Frank? The nine thousand series has a perfect operational record.

Well, of course, I know all a wonderful achievement of the nine thousand series. But are you certain there's never been any case of even the most insignificant computer.

There, none whatsoever, Frank. Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that. Well, I'm sure you're right, Hall Fine, thanks very much.

Oh, Frank, I'm having a bit of trouble with my transmitter and seapot.

I wonder if you'd come down and take a look at it with me. Yeah, see her hut.

Because yeah, well I suppose upon reflection the first time is you know, when he's at the space station and he's talking about going to I think it's the Moon. He's going to the Moon to find the next monolith. Yeah, and the European the other European space team who are heading back to Earth are like, oh haven't you heard about all the trouble anyone who's gone there?

The their comms.

Have been lost, you know, if I was to watch it again now obviously I know it now, but that's that's probably your first hint that something's not right.

And it's a great filmmaking and storytelling, does it. It's I still fall into the trap sometimes early movies of not listening to those kind of casual conversations because of conversations that have really important details in them. And then once you know, on a second viewing or you can think back to it, like you haven't kind of gone, oh no, that was.

I didn't I didn't pick up on it, you know, and even then.

Like, obviously obviously it's a clue. But yeah, the way it's written, it's not written as a clue. It's written as I throw away detail that you're not really supposed to think about that now you're genius, genius and then you know, you speak of.

That influencing further films.

As soon as I saw How and heard how and then realized it was AI. And then when I really realized, you know, not just was AI to the point of being AI under you know, control, It was a I with a true mind of its own. I was like, this is where replicants came from with Blade Runner, you know, because you know the replicants they break like they have their own thoughts and and they break out Like obviously

Anyway, it could be completely false.

Oh no, I mean, I think the influence of this film is there's no doubt this is one of the most influential films of all time. It's one of the first times where like a studio film and an art house film kind of collidied. I think it's really interesting.

Well yeah, like just like visually it could be you know, you could and they pretty much do. You could just play space music to it, and you could charge people two hundred and fifty bucks to go to a session at the ENGV and they'd be lining up around the corners.

What is a Pink Floyd song that you can put on in a particular moment. I forget which track it is, but if you put it on a particular moment, it kind of because they were in conversations to perhaps provide a soundtrack. Oh really, because before you landed on all the classical stuff, he did like go through a number of different paths, and so there's a Pink Floyd track that if you play at a certain point, it fits perfectly.

I've actually got one more if but before we move off, I guess the influence further on, So you know, in the last bit, in the last I guess act or stage or whatever you want to call it. I think it's off the top of my head, like Journey to Jupiter or something like that.

I think, And I think that's the I think that's where the pig floids comes.

Yeah, right, because so you know in Interstellar, which is another one of my favorite films, you know when I forgot Matthew McConaughey's character's name, but he's basically going back through that portal and like and like the ship's like shaking, yeah, and you know the portal at the end. But as soon as I was watching, I was like, oh, man, like derivative as you know obviously everything is, but almost a direct ode to.

Two thousand and one.

I was like watching it and even the you know the close up on the on their helmet.

Yeah, you know that shot from kind of seen that before.

Yeah, yeah, And it was it was where i'd where I went straight away was Matthew McConaughey's character in Interstellar.

Yeah, and even the way the like the.

Like bent bent ever so slightly exactly the same as as in interstell it's.

It's it's it's incredible. And that there's the other The other famous thing in this film, I think is that the from Kubrick fans is that look which becomes where it's it's a character kind of looking down but eyes up. And you see that in the helmet, I think, you know, and that you see Game a pile in full metal jacket give that same look before he goes and ape shit and really, you know, gives him help, gives him hell. You see you see Jake Nicholson doing in the Shining,

Like a slow so like a slower shutter speed.

Yeah, so rather than getting a crisper image, everything's kind of blurt.

And he is warped and yeah, you're just kind of capture whatever. So you know, you're really conting some control of what you actually get obviously, but you get these beautiful images and that's and that's how that is achieved, and that's that's incredible. And when you think again, we come back to nineteen sixty eight.

Yeah, and yeah, so my mind went straight away to some kind of kaleidoscope, you know, like but but then I couldn't work out how you would do a colleidoscope.

And turn it.

Yeah, So I mean so I just again and we keep we keep saying this. I can't work out how this film was done. On the most part, Like normally, there'd be one or two things that I'd seen.

I go, oh, that was cool.

If I had half an hour, I reckon, I could have solid thinking, I reckon, I could I could work that out.

Yeah, this this this stuff.

I'd need, you know, a science degree.

Yeah, it's incredible. And that's even if this doesn't work. Like, let's face it, there are some people who who would hate this film and would not have the patience for it. And that's and that's fine, completely fine. I get that. And I'll confess to last I watched it last night.

To some of the challenges, Like it's almost aggressively challenging your mind, you know, yeah, exactly.

So I prefer that watch these films for the podcast, you know, maybe a glass of wine, maybe a glass of Scotch in a relaxed frame of mind. You know, there was a part of me it's like, wow, this is gonna be late by the time I finished.

You will laugh at how I watched it. So I did Brecky yesterday morning.

So what's time you have to be up for breakay?

So I get up at twenty to four. You've done Brecky shifts. You understand what it's like. It's crazy, it's hard, and you get tired, like like you're you're just tired basically all all the time. It's a great like like it's really fun to do, but you're tired.

And I I got home. I had to do some other chores.

So I got home at about two o'clock and I was like, I've got I've got to watch you it's either now. But I had to go film Yoka last night, so I was, oh, I've got to watch it now. So I watched it yesterday AVO, and it took me about four and a half hours to watch because I kept falling asleep because I was as you know, you're just so tired, and I was really enjoying it. But you have to be like in the right zone, I reckon to watch this film, you have to be ready to

Yeah, we've got I mean there's a version of this film, and I full confession, I had to rewind I missed the bit where basically and we'll get to this bit soon where Dave goes and unplugs and plugs hell. You know, like people may maybe the people moment the film.

Is going to say that was my most tense kind of scene.

Yeah, and I was really enjoying because that's when he's you know, he's he's been trapped out and he has to kind of get his way through and it's amazing. I don't know how I was just you know, it was probably twelve thirty by this day, and my eyes went up. You know, I'm gonna shut down for a little while. Health conversation going on. So yeah, it's it's what was I going to say?

Actually no, so no, So we're talking about the kind of film it isn't it's like it's it's it's like, it's not a film you can.

Just chuck on like a like a shoot him up no where you're so easily entertained.

And there's a version of this film, like you could do an edit on this film, like if you wanted to show it to my dad, you know, like who doesn't necessarily give aid all the themes and a lot of the philosophical questions it's posing, And you could start this after the Dawn of Man with that first spaceship cut out. Yeah, there's probably there's probably a seventy minute version of his film. It's a really good entertaining film, which is basically about an AI computer, you know.

To try to take over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, will Because the original cut I was reading somewhere was like it was like one hundred and sixty one minutes.

Something like that.

It took it ninety minutes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there was that would have been that would have been a bit how you going?

I laughed. I laughed when I read that he took out after the New York City.

Yeah, he got smacked in the.

Ninety minutes to help with the pacing.

What were you doing with the other forty mate?

The speed up the pacing about ninety minutes.

You can you imagine being like a die hard like Kubrick critic back then, and you walk out and.

Someone goes, so tone, did you like be honest? Yeah? Favorite bit the end.

Yeah, there was a popular actor at the time. I forget who it was. I read about that that you walked out halfway through and this went can somebody tell me later on what this is all about?

What happens in the end, and jokes on them, no one, can you gotta go see mate? Hell lardy, Hell, it's it's so yeah, at that moment where because Dave's just lost, Like if you go back sort of five minutes, Dave's just lost Frank.

Question question about Frank. Why wasn't he tethered to.

The I didn't understand that now, I mean, that's that's rookie era, that's space what I want, isn't.

It space one one? Why would you not be tethered because if you miss yeah yees satellite, whether they fixed gone?

Well, so my only my my only thought was that because I did have the same thought, I was like, perhaps he was, but it was like hooked up to something and you know how how has control over all the all the mechanics in the ship?

My only thought was that how disconnected him?

See, but I would have loved to have seen that, you know, and this is Kuber gives us what he wants to give us.

Yeah exactly.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Like it's just one of those things that you think afterwards, like why is he even during I must says why is he? Why is he going for his spacewalk?

And that's and that's see, that's one of those ones.

If we think back to earlier, how we're talking about those those those happy accidents or those accidental that's a very deliberate decision. Yeah, that's a very deliberate decision to not to not show a tether, to leave us in a mind where we go, well, why wasn't he to say was he?

And then how it's hard to believe that Arthur C.

Clark and Stanley Kirk don't have a discussion about Okay, so he goes out. He's obviously tended to the spaceship because he's not going to go out and then oh what he said it? Yeah, well doesn't he doesn't need to be dead?

What, No, he needs to be Yeah, yeah, there's there's no way. But so yeah, anyway, so Frank's hurtling off into space. Dave at this point is going like, I know that Howel's crook because they've had the conversation just before and you can see the bit. It's brilliantly done, and you don't I don't think you know at that point that Hal can read lips open the part doors please?

Hell?

Hello?

Hell do you read me?

Hello?

Hell? Do you read me? You read me?

Hell?

Do you read me?

Hell?

Hello?

Hell do you read me?

Oh? Hell?

Do you.

Do you read me?

How affirmative, Dave, I read you.

Open the pod bay doors.

Hell, I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. What's the problem. I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

What are you talking about?

Hell?

This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Hell, I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Where the hell did you get that idea?

Hell? Hey, although you took very thorough precautions in the pot against my hearing you, I could see your lips.

Move because they're because they're sat there in the perfect little I guess the window window.

I mean the whole spaceship. They could have gone anywhere, they had to sit right in front of him. I imagine how everything.

Like you said, omnipresent, and they had this conversation. They're like, well, we're left with no other choice but to disconnect.

How he's clearly.

Heard that, And that's what makes me think that he untethered Frank only in retrospect, because then we hear later on when Dave goes and grabs goes and grabs Frank with the robot arms out of a little the little rover whatever you want to call it, and he tries to come back to the ship, which is beautiful cinematography, you know, the two ships facing each other, and he's like, I'm sorry, like, you know, for this mission to go forward,

He's got yeah seconds, if you know, I think they've proven that you can actually survive of like fifteen seconds or something. But there's there's also if you apparently, if you try to hold your breath during it, you will explode.

So there's like there's yeah, there's so many caveats.

Yeah, but also like they're like, oh, yeah, you can you know, apparently you can survive fifteen seconds. Who's done, Yeah, you know, who's got yeah?

Yeah, no, thanks, Yeah, absolutely. It's such a it's it's the best stretch of the movie for mine as far as yeah, because it feels like there is there's a it's all tension, it's a bit of action, and it's it's eerie because you know, how's he gonna, Yeah, how's he going to overcome? How he seems to be he seems to be completely in control, and yeah, he just goes and doesn't it switches him up. But that, you know, like that's a great sequence in that doesn't have to

Love, Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you want to sit down, calmly, take a stress peel, and think things over. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently.

You certainly have hell, and that like it goes up for quite a while. Stanley Cubbrick does not rush through this at all.

And he's climbing up that that really claustrophobic ladder. You go on, my lord, and then he gets into that kind of I guess Hal's mainframe, whatever you want to call it. God, that room looked cool, you know, like like the red Dutch tilts.

So you know, it's it's it's it's just off, you know, things are a bit cooked.

And then it's like you get to the end, get to the end, and his voice starts changing as he starts taking out the memories.

Oh, genius, genius.

And he he's deleting the memory you know, he's bleeding on the pawn or the all. Then all of it's gone.

I was gonna know, just incognito.

The search history is gone. But it is, it is. It's fascinate. It's just so it's fascinating. I love it so much. Like I thought that was the best sequence. I think that was completely so. Then so this happens, and then then we kind of go back. He goes through that. Eventually he goes through that stargate which we're spoken about, and then what did you make oh of the bedroom in the bedroom and yeah, yeah.

So basically almost like a floor of a house or you know, you could imagine it like the premiere suite at some swanky hotel, you know, like like three or four different rooms all connected with the rover in it.

Yeah, yeah, and the rover was in it.

I was also was the room of green screen and the rover just you know, I couldn't stop thinking about how they were making stuff because it was so amazing.

Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, you don't see him get out of the rover. He's just out of the rover.

And then there's who I didn't realize or clock as being Dave look back at him. Yes, yeah, so I didn't clock that the first time. And so this this this figure turned around and looks at Dave, who's still Oh by the way, Dave at this point wrinkles all over his face as well, so has aged an eon.

Yeah.

I have to admit I wasn't sure what I was watching at that point, and I was I was going, you know, is he seeing himself in the future, Is he seeing himself in the past? Is this an alternate universe where he's you know, sort of watching time go by through a window. I wasn't sure. I really wasn't sure. And then it got like obviously weirder when the last Monoloth comes and then we see you know a big baby boss. Yeah, hang on old to young what you know it was? I didn't know what to make it?

I'm like, and I always say this about this podcast, and I feel like this is the perfect episode to point this out and to remind people is that we will have people listening to this who have seen this mayvie many times and have their own views on it. The beauty about this podcast is I have a guest who is who has just seen the movie and he's pro he's still processing it, hasn't had a chance to go back and watch it again. I and I'm in

Yeah.

And that is that the birth of Is that his individual rebirth into you know? And will he go back to he will? Will he go back to Earth? Is that a whole new species species being born, a whole new superhuman species about to be born? And is it evolution?

Is it? So?

I was thinking, trying to rack my brain, and I was so glad when you said you weren't a hundred percent sure what was going on with the film too, so I didn't feel like I was so close.

So really, when I've read that quote.

A complete more on because I was on I was racking my brain on the way here, trying to think, Okay, so logically, what's the kind of logic flow of the way I've seen you know kind of in quotes humanoids in this film, and you know, we start off as a or it starts off with apes and it ends up with a baby. Bit in between, we've had someone we assume age and we assume it's all the same person in the same timeline, in the same yes universe.

I've watched too much freaking Morty, you know, like all the multi verses.

But so then, I, like you said, probably the closest I got to an idea was perhaps its evolution and you know, it's onto, it's onto the next phase, whatever that is.

I got no idea what that is, but.

I think a lot of it is it really is imagery and this Kubrick giving you an opportunity to be in the moment, to ponder, you know, to be inspired. I feel like it's a reasonably optimistic ending for them this film. I think there's a version of this which could have been a bit bleaker, but I think it's quite optimistic ending with the you know a boss baby, you know, new life being reborn. I feel like that's a reasoning up the mystic ending.

Do you prefer happy endings?

I I'm going to rephrase.

That, do you like movies? That end on a positive.

I was ignoring the ignoring the joke. I was quite proud of myself for and it took me a few seconds ago. No, don't, don't. Don't come on having a good discussion about one of the high arts film more time. Yes, I like hand jobs in it.

I never thought you'd ask home, usually just take you out for lunch afterwards.

No, it's I don't. In the same way we're discussing about open ended endings and also closed endings where everything's tied up. I don't necessarily have a preference. I'd just liken to be done well. And I thought this was for what they were going for, is done really well? Do I understand it?

No?

Not at this stage. I may have more conversations, I may do a bit more deep diving, and I'll you know, I could come back in the year's time. I have more and more thoughts.

Do you think it's the kind of film that maybe they were wanting us to walk out or finish watching with a feeling inside rather than an answer?

Yes, absolutely, I think that, Like you know, there.

Are some films or even a lot of music does it And the first one that comes to my mind is a King's Leon song called the Bucket, very very sad, very sad song about someone kicking the bucket.

But you sing that like.

It's a summer song and we're going to catch up with mates and get milkshakes and stuff.

Yeah, there's a bucket, bungs.

Do you know what I mean?

And I guess the meaning's kind of hidden a little bit in that song, And I would maybe that's what they were trying to do, hide the meaningly, like the meaning was only something they knew.

Where left with a bunch of questions.

But a feeling absolutely, And I think they're inviting you to contemplate life and where we've come from, where we're going.

There's a lot of those questions, aren't there, And like thematically, you know, you've got unborn babies, you've got space, which everyone always starts getting existential about big classic music that evokes emotion. Yeah, yeah, I think I tend to agree. It's you're in no uncertain terms as to how you feel. You've just got no real idea why.

Yeah, yeah, you're having a like an emotional response to it, or you just get frustrated with it. And I can in particular, I mean, I would like to go see this again, but you know, on on a big screen, you know, it does, it does, and I think they do do that quite often. In Factkate Lenbrook said to me that not she had seen this recently on a big screen. Apparently, when this came out, it wasn't a

And some very influential musicians said it was one of their favorite films. That John Lennon, I think at the time, was saying he'd watch it once a week. David Bowie was a huge fan of it because he probably got it, you know, yeah, jerks a.

Little light fair for David is at it.

I knew, I knew.

I knew from the I knew from the second the ape picked up the bone.

What do I said? Two hours for then?

Mate?

You know we should we should point out one of the great movie transitions of all time that the bone going up turning into a spaceship and turned into a spaceship, which which is what they're saying, is that this is the first weapon.

Into a webs.

So yeah, and you mentioned earlier we took go back to the monolith, arrives and the apes are not sure how to deal with it. One eventually touches it, and that ape, which I believe is called moon Mongazer, he is the one who then works out this can we consume estions, we can use this, and then that gives them so they kind of they take on. They beat their rival to death and then they they're eating that they can get they can feed themselves. Now it's the

And also because I had to read about this film after I've watched it it.

Walk away and go okay, well that's done.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to read about it, which is great.

You know, it left me with a lot of questions and it said as well that the monolith like whenever the monolith turned up and it was and it was touched, it expanded horizons. So the first time with the apes they touch it and then all of a sudden, weapons the next the next time, the monolith is on the Moon and they go down on the Moon and then they touch it and they look at it, and then it lets out that shriek and it's basically like a warning or whatever it is.

It's like an alarm to.

The next monolith, which is i think on Jupiter. And then they go from there and expands it expands the horizons again.

To that's really interesting. That explains That explains a lot.

And then and then the last one you see on Jupiter sends them through that stargate, sends them through the Star game. And then the very last one we see is old Dave in the bed and he's like again I think I think it's one of those Kubrick looks where he's like in the bed and and he's kind of looking through his furhead brow at this at the monolith. As the it's almost like an eclipse with the monolith with I'm assuming A's Sun. And then go and then I think the boss Baby ends up there.

So and there's the nod to Michaelangelo, I think too, when he's reaching out, always his fingers pitching out, that's supposed to be a nod suggesting that this monolith is actually a god.

Yeah.

Yeah, I really like the monolith as far as I was sure it was actually supposed to be like even an alien life form as such, or is it like what what is it? Is it a god? Is it a life form? Kubrick was almost going to have alien life forms appear in this and then.

Are you glad he didn't?

Absolutely? I think's a happy accident. The reason he didn't do it because of budget. He realized that they'll running out of budget. But then he so he convinced himself, and I think rightfully so that we don't need to see them, you know. I think he was credited to see you know, you don't see God, you know. So I think I love the the rectangular black monolith, that this mass that we you know, this matter that we don't exactly know obviously, we don't know what it's like

Well the same thing.

Yeah, ape has to discover.

Have you have you have you seen a TV.

Series called Dark No Oh, it's.

Just brilliant German TV series, three, three seasons, German.

You don't of all of all of them Germans? The one you don't do?

No, no, I don't love German. Answer in fact that lives of others run alla rum it's my favorite. That's Booty. They have TV or TV.

Have you seen Babylon Berlin.

I've seen episodes of it.

It's that's fantastic anyway, I digress.

My dad's watching it at the moment, actually recommend at the head of the day.

Jeez, me and your dad.

Huh, you're probably surprised. I enjoyed two thousand and five but in and I've only just clocked it now. So it's this it's this show where basically they don't just time like, it's not just about time travel. It's it's about like parallel universe travel as well. So like the premises, it's not like we aren't just everywhere where, every when? And so you know, it's like, so then the question become where are you or it's not just.

Where are you?

When are you right?

And basically the thing they use to get from one place to the other is dark matter. And now that I now that I've seen this, I think to myself, is that a you know, am I going to find Am I going to see little nods to a space I mean to a space O to see everywhere I look now? Or is that going to be confirmation by yeah?

Do you know what I mean? Yeah?

Yeah, that's fascinating.

Yeah, Like I just wonder if I'll see them now and.

At least for the next little bit, I won't be able to stop looking because it's it's it's It's got me with more questions obviously than I've got answers.

Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt though that the influence of this has been It's like you were discuss Citizen Kane on this before and even the Shining and certainly if you've watched The Simpsons and this keeps on coming up on it on this on this podcast, you know a lot of a lot of my guests will watch movies for the first time. Going now, I understand that that reference yea, all the you know and and the Shining and Sis and Kane. They go for it on

I really I have.

A like a physical react, physical reaction to it. I feel a little bit nauseous when I see it. That that film Gravity with Sandra Bullock. I'm an show you So that was a great film, and that was like terrifying to me.

So you speak of like, I'm not sure how they did it? God, that looked real as Yeah.

Yeah, the movement of all these because I was because I was watching as closely as I could.

Is a leg flailing where it shouldn't be.

You know, I think he's dead already, so is the leg everything was put and the weird axis that they had him on in you know, Frank spinning around really strangely. And yeah, no, I'm quite the same, especially when they do the thing with the audio where you just hear the breath. Have you ever scuba dived.

Yes, I have actually, but I also did It's Snouba recently in Hawaii, which is a slightly different things, a bit of an easier way of doing it. But I know you mean that that breath and apparently this is Stanley Kubrick's breath. Oh really fun fact. Yeah, love that.

But the thing is, if you've ever scuba dived, which I would think must be the closest thing to being tethered into space in that you're going into another environment. If you take it off, you're cooked. But when you first go down, your mind forgets that you can breathe.

So you'll actually hear your breath go and that's all you can hear.

And that's freaky out and you need to like literally say to yourself, hey, tone like.

Yeah.

And then when they do, like when they couple like a spacewalk with the breath, that gives me a very very physical reaction.

I don't thought of it. I don't like it.

No, I completely know what you're talking about. And but that that's that feeling of watching somebody going, Wow, you cannot be more lost than you are right now, like.

You're untethered idiots, Like, how.

Do you get back outside of you know, the shuttle being able to come and pick you up somehow, and you know, and we've seen that happen, happens in gravity. But how do you like? Yeah, you are so. I'm not scared of heights, but I don't like sitting standing too close to an edge where like you could possibly fall, you know. I don't think most people are probably want risk it. Yeah, why risk it? So to see somebody like that far up and just loading away, it would say, is just terrifying.

It's so out of control.

Yeah, yeah, And I think most people don't really like being out of control.

I think that's exactly what it is. But like of control, mate, it's been a bloody blast. I've got some fun more fun facts. I've weaved some in. Do you know the idea that there are conspiracy theories saying that the moon landing was actually almost produced or directed by Stanley Kubrick and they used unused footage from this film and spacecraft and some of the props to fake the moon landing.

So I didn't know that, but I did say earlier that I reckon, well not not, I reckon. I can see why people are moon landing, can can especially theorists, conspiracy theorists, because of how legit it all looked. So I get it, yeah idiots, but I get it wrong. But but like, yeah, I was watching it and there was some stuff I was like, this is so realistic.

Yeah, it's still now. You could have made this in the eighties. It used to be going, wow, this is I can't believe this is made in the eighties or even the nineties. It's incredible.

Yeah, and you look, and I think you touched on it earlier. The best thing they did because as soon as one I think as soon as one thing dates, everything dates. So if you were to have had an alien life form in there, it would have dated everything that you've seen. So that's why I think it holds up against so many of the.

Other space movies.

Until probably recently from effects point of view, because you're like, well, alien looks like you know plastic, Yeah, you know, like like like the prop sis, and then that just gives away the whole conceit of everything else.

Hence why it was as a brilliant idea not to have the dexter robot as hell. So it was nominated for thirteen oscars, only won the one for special effects. Stanley Kubrick was awarded that because he was oversaw a special effects department. A lot of the people who were who worked on the special effects thought it was unfair that he was the sole recipient of that OSCAR because it was seen as a team effort, which I think is complotely fair enough. They did tighten up the oscars

How brilliant on that is the footage behind the scenes of Jack Nicholson getting ready to go through the door.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great.

It's unbelievable just watching him like descend into this complete deranged madman that he's scary.

There is a good deep diving to be had with the Shining absolutely. There's one joke in this movie, just not the joke it's it's I think it was Dave. Dave's looking at basically how to go to the toilet in out of space, and they've got the how to how to how to take a dump in out of space. Kubrick said that was the only the singular joke in this in this film.

Putting that in, I thought there was another joke when you know, when they come with the first time they lean on the moon and he comes with the with like all like the space food, I guess, and one of them makes the comedies like.

Oh, they're getting better and better at these all the time.

Yeah, And then maybe that was just an earnest space dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it probably plays as a joke for them, where there's a joke that's designed to make the audience laugh. So I I think I agree with that.

I'm not going to challenge Stanley. I just thought there was another year.

Well Stanley won't won't refute it. So yes, I think I think that's I think we worked in a lot of our the apes were mimes, and I'm not sure if you kind of they were so good, like I mean, obviously, when the camera got a bit closer, you could see that these weren't.

Real apes, but they were great from a distance.

When you stayed away a bit, they you would have believed they were real APPEs.

And and again, I know we keep harping on it, but you've got to remember when people are seeing this.

Yeah, like straight up you were straight up you're believing if.

You're seeing in the cinema in nine and six, you're watching it, I think you believe that he's a you.

Know, you you think that they've somehow got apes and trained apes soundly.

Could be one of the insurance policy in case aliens were discovered before the film was released. Lloyd's of London knocked him back. But it would have been a pretty good payday actually, for if they had taken that up, to be honest, so they missed out, would have been a huge payday, huge payday, mate, Thank you so much,

I had no idea.

So Sampang was very smart. He chose a ninety minute film.

I was going to say I could have done a ninety minute How had Sampang not seen the cast?

Oh well that has been discussed many times and we still don't know. Really, he doesn't know how, but he loved it and we always recommend The Castle to the Hitting Zone.

It's one of the best films. Well.

He also works with those people who made that, so it's it's kind of incredible. Mate. You are an absolute joy to hang out with, loving having you on the on the project. We'll see you on there. This week ABC Breakfast was where you can see Tony Ye spose we people catch your guys.

So your guys on an I t V. I think it's on Fox as well. I think the AFL website streams it as well. So yeah, Base and maybe SPS.

Showed it as well. Yeah, so it's all over the place.

You've got no excuse.

If you've got a TV. I shall be on in your house.

No excuse not they have Tony Armstrong on your house. It's if you love your foot you get onto it. It's a cracking footy show mate. Thank you so much.

What a pleasure. That was awesome.

Ex give me your all four from you.

Yes, hell nine thousand is gone. The batteries have been taken out. His such history has been erased. I love that chat with my friend Tony Armstrong. Catch him on YOCKEYE, the Project, ABC Sports. He is killing it at the moment and the bloody joy to be around and the big commitment to watch to watch two thousand and one of Space Odyssey whilst doing Breakfast TV. Three votes t Armstrong, maybe the first time he got three votes. You're still

Oh god, yeah, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed with it when I was young. The only time I've ever in fact taken a day off or wagged school was because I couldn't put the book down. Oh wow, yeah, when I was sixteen.

That is that is the most impressive nerdiest reason not to go to school.

But only moment.

Anyone, any kid. I suggest, any kid who wants to read a book and not go to school should be allowed to do just that, particularly if it's Frankie Fish in a Sonic Suitcase or any of the Franki Fish books available in all good bookstores now, kids and parents.

True enough, my daughter I had to tell her off several times because she was sitting up in bed sneakily reading Frankie Fish.

Ah weeks ago.

Oh, fan, you've raised the daughter. Well, but we won't. Let's go about in two thousand and one. But yeah, frank Fish is available in more good books. So and you you did an assignment on two thousand and one the space Hoders, Is that right? I did I know?

We had to do a school assignment in probably form year ten on Evolution. And I was obviously a big fan of the film. It was probably around in nineteen eighty two, and I simply just described the ape scene at the beginning and how they clearly the ones with the bones and the violence were the ones that were going to evolve because the other ones were dead already,

Yeah, zero's a bit harsh read the book.

I have an apology to make though to David Bowman, because all these years I've been quoting him wrong, all these years saying open the podb door. How Yeah, he says please, And I only realized when I rewatched it, open the pod bay door, how please?

I think please a few times. I mean it's quite. It's quite the back and forth between Hell and himself. It's one of the very few movies should we should apologize. I think it's the only movie we've ever discussed where we haven't actually spoken about or mentioned even mentioned the actors, and I guess it's it's a you know this, this Kubrick is. It's really about Kubrick, you know, more so than the aplis. But the actors are very good. Kaya al Kia Delia played Dave Bowman and Gary Lockwood played

Yes, I've got one from Lachlan.

What does Locklan have to say?

Hey, Peter, my name is Lachlan. Hey, I'm thirty three years old and my three favorite films are Star Wars, Yes, A New Hope inception, Oh Tony, Be Happy, and The Incredibles.

Good choice.

I've been a fan of yours since watching Rove Live every week as a teenager and a young man, good Man, and I'm thoroughly enjoying the podcast.

Thank You.

I think we all have a list of movies that we endeavor to watch at some point in our lives, so the concept really resonates with me. There's a few episodes I've had.

To skip what what.

As I have not seen the movie discuss fair enough, but I intend to get to them once I tick those films off my list, good Man. I very much enjoy the chats with all your guests, but particularly the open and honest chat with Samuel Johnson.

That was a fantastic chat. I want to take this opportunity actually to give all of our love and strength and our love to Sam, who who you may have read recently, was involved in a serious accident. We pray for your recovery. Sam, We love you and yes all the best of Sam Johnson and his family and that knows around him. So and then I might take over here this to also Lachlan watched I see he watched Aliens for the first time, even though he had seen Aliens years ago. I just had him go around to