REPETE: Kate Langbroek and Fight Club

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Hello, I'm kateline Brook and my three favorite films are The Sound of Music, a Dogma film called Feston, and The Godfather.

I want to make them a laugh again with you.

But until two nights ago, I had never seen Fight Club.

People are always asking me if I know Taylor Durden.

Three minutes, this is it ground zero would like to say a few words to my defication.

With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only in vowels. Anything for a second, I totally forget about Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing, and I wonder how clean that gun is getting exciting now that old saying how you always hurt the one you love? Well it works both ways. We have front row seats for this theater of mass destructure. The demolitions Committee of Project Mayhem wrap the foundation columns of a dozen buildings with blasting gelatin.

Yes, Edward Norton's insomnia acting the right of cruisers light not support groups, because well, what else are you gonna do when you're never really asleep and never really awake? When Helen that Bottom and Carter's Marla Singer arrives at a testicular cancer support group, it throws his mojo out of whack. The last thing he needs is another tourist in the room. But if that was Norton's narrator or Jack or whatever his name is, exactly thinks Marla is

What was two? I only know the first rule.

Of fight club verstual of fun.

Never talk about fight club. Oh second rule, never talk about funk.

Yes, yes, yes, I think he was trying to get the ten rules, so he just doubled up.

And in the edit they just were like leavi it.

Levi brad bitness picking up his liner. I need that again, and they kept that in. Thanks for joining us.

I'm so thrilled because it's making me think about I never really unlike you, who knows so much about films and filmmakers and actors and you have a really broad lexicon. I don't really ever talk about films or think about films much.

But this is a wonderful thing about this podcast. And you know, the chat after with my guests is that when do we chat about films these days? Probably probably, like you might that idea of going to see a movie and then going out for drinks out is a romantic idea, but nobody's got time for that.

It did used to happen. I remember when I saw that Madonna film where she melted she got melted wax on it with that guy what's.

His name, body of evidence with the will.

Thank you, Willem Dafoe, and I remember coming out of it afterwards, and you know sometimes when people would come out of movies that they need to be very diffus lammatory about what they think in a loud voice so other people can hear. And the guy, some guy behind rus is going or she's such a fucking slut, right, I wanted to say, as we used to say in Queensland, well dor free like that? Why is that? Do you even think that's an insult? That's actually a compliment to Madonna.

She did the Coffee Book where she was taking out the bins with no pants on.

We're pants in that entire book, including one of my favorite photographs you haven't asked. That's another podcast, her with that naked hitch hiking Yes photo, that's such a great photo.

It was peak Madonna, wasn't it like that? Whole. It was kind of it was like a prayer was a few years and then in the Vogue and in Bed with Madonna documentary and the Sex Book.

Sex Book, the Sex Books. Just I just remember that photo. I would love to have a photo of me doing that. No one else would like to see doing that. But everything about it is just perfection. Yeah, anyway, you're right, we do. You don't talk about.

Films, so I'm the same way. So this is podcast has been great for me because I can revisit films that I love through fresh eyes and also films that I've never seen before. And that's been amazing, some of the films I've seen for the first time as I've blown my mind, and knowing you need to talk about the film makes you watch it differently. Yes, and this is a film that I must say I've been a bit over the years met about, but which is kind of a weird reaction to have because it's quite a

Some of the themes seem quite contemporary.

Now, didn't. Yes, we'll get into the weeds of that, because there's so many themes in this. But why had it been on your mind that you hadn't seen? I think you nominated a fight club reasonably? I did.

I did from the choices that I was given. That jumped out at me because it's just entered the lexicon. The first rule of fight club. We all know, I say it, and yet I've never seen fight Club. There was something about the film that some films will have, will be you know, minor films, and have a moment that cuts through. But obviously it was just such a seminal thing, and it was such a male film. It was such a thing. It was like a men's club, wasn't it? And so I wanted to say it. I

I expect nothing, try to be no. I know you don't know, I know.

But g Brad Pitt, shit, hell.

We got to come open that can of worms. At this point of the show. I do want to talk about the three films. Let's let's start with Love. Let's start with Love, and we're going to talk about those

Yes, I can't imagine anyone not loving it.

I had a friend recently who showed it to their kids and I was like, I just had that go because I've never sat down my boys and watched it, and I think there was a mix of gender and the kids loved it.

We only watched it with the kids all the way through. I think we would have when they were little, but for them to be old enough to remember. When we were living in Italy last year in Lockdown, and we started this thing in where we would do this thing called the Crying Game, where we would watch sad movies and see who cried.

It was actually based on the movie The Crying Game.

We didn't watch that with it, but it was always me who cried. And Artie, my number three, who is my number three child, who is very contained, very very few words, not demonstrative particularly whatever, but he and I would always be the first ones to cry. And Russell Crowe featured a lot in our Crying Game movies.

Okay, pop queiz?

What were they?

Beautiful mind? Yes, Cinderella man, No, there some of us? No, okay? Gladiator, yes, yes, of course.

The third one you'll never guess.

The third one, the third Russell Crowe film. I imagine it wasn't Roper Stumper. It is it is, it is. It is a great film, great film, the third Russell Crowe made in America or made in Australia.

Oh, I don't know. I think made in America American Gangster, but with another Australian in it?

Oh l A confidential.

No.

Never I'd said you never guess, because it's unlikely that it would.

Who was the other Australian?

Hugh Jackman?

Hugh Jackman? Oh what was what they made together? Oh? Is me?

Love?

Me, which you wouldn't think would reduce paper to tease.

I think it he copped a little bit on that, But I I thought he was good me too. Yeah, I think he's always He's always excellent. I think Russell me too.

I just wanted to tell him that you have reduced us to tears in the middle of lockdown initialy with performances that are just part of your ubra Is that eg or U is a woman's doctor. I've got a cute angina. But anyway, his body of work is phenomenal and I love him now he's playing he's embraced the bad guy in him, which so many Hollywood actors don't want to do.

Yeah, he's even like I feel like Noah, which you know, I'm sure you know a lot of people didn't see. I thought it was just really.

When Noah, I haven't seen that.

Yeah, Noah's great. There in aronofsky filmmaking a very high quality. So Russell Croust, not in the sound of music.

No, why do we get on to him because he made you cry? Because he made us cry. The sound of music made us cry.

Yes, and there is an austrain connection with the sound of music.

He mentioned you mentioned, Yes, Maria, what is it you can't face? Which was was that in Priscilla? That they was where it came about?

Was it?

No, it was an anecdotal thing before then that when they had those screenings I think where people dress up in the audience or whatever, that became a thing that Australian audiences would yell out. I imagine matter, Yeah, what is it you can't face?

I imagine though? Was that post social media like? Or is that like going back pre even in the eighties, pre ah? Do you find it amazing with social media? There then goes viral, the.

Spreads and then it's forgotten.

Yeah, that's right, and that is right. But like I remember when jokes still spread. I still remember the Challenger disaster.

And another seven astro.

There being that joke almost that afternoon and everyone seemed to know that joke. How did that happen?

I don't know. How did we know stuff before?

Yeah?

How did we know stuff? I was thinking about that going if I was writing or whatever and I couldn't think of a word, or I could call you realized you had different people you'd call for different things. So if I wanted to know something about a film, I would call you if I wanted to know a word. I'd call my mom if I wanted to know a recipe, like you must have had a living body of encyclopedia.

Yes, is there a scene in or a moment in sound of music that cements it in your Like when you think of the sound of music, do you go to the hills with Maria?

No? No, no, no.

That's just a that's the ad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the retail opportunity.

Yep.

For me, I think it really gets me when she is in the Roachhunda with the captain and she's wearing a dress, this beautiful blue dress, and when he declares, I think he's love for her and she stands with her. Her posture in that film is what just gets me. It's a posture you don't see in any other actors. Now, actors if that like, they might work from the outside and emulate it, but it seemed to come from within her, her humble nun posture.

Yeah, because no screen time.

That's why she did have a forward, slooping neck. But she was just so beautiful in that that scene. For me, and when she sings somewhere in my life or childhood, or he sings, I must have done something good. I love that.

I think my first crash was Liezel.

Oh. I think a lot of people. Yeah, I al but Rolf, how did you feel when he betrayed her and blew the whistle in the graveyard?

Yeah? That Ralph was a little turd. Why Ralph, You're gotta forget when you whenever? Like, there have been times where I've revisited the sound of music and I've kind of gone, oh, that's right. There's Nazis in this movie. Yes, a kind of surprises me each time it does.

It does, and even though I mean they're not CARTOUNI, it's not cartoony.

No, there's an actual.

Real sort of menace in them. And that glorious moment when the nuns have taken the yes car part? Is it a car Brener? I don't know what it is. They've taken some essential part out of the car. I just love it. I love it so much.

Yeah, it is a beautiful film. Let's talk about Feston. I haven't seen Fast and I'm very much aware of it. And this is part of the Dogma and directed by Thomas Vinterberg, who recently did The Hunt which is an extraordinary film.

I'm going to write that down. What's that hunt?

The Hunt is Mad's Michelson and it's about basically a man in a small town who I think volunteers at the local I'm not sure if it's a kindergarten, but we're young. Let's say it's a kindergarten and one of the kids accuses him of being inappropriate with her, all right, and for some reason.

He's not and he didn't do it. I know, I've seen it. I've seen it, and it spreads through the whole village. Yes, I've seen that, which all of which supports my contention, Hellia, that the Europeans cannot make a film, especially the Scandalegians, can't make a film without incest. Like

Well, the kid.

Hasn't copped it. The kid reveals at this right, the family are all trapped together in a house. It's just Christmas.

That's my idea of trapped and Tomas Wnderberg also there's a recent film called Another Round which he did, which is also magicicaal Senter's again, I don't think there's any incest in this one.

What I will not be watching it because I always imagine them. I always imagine them going, oh, yeah, the husband and wife sitting, you know, choosing. Oh, look it's this, it's a key, or oh this is a new Lars Larsen film. Oh, this is a fantastic one. The little girl is accusing someone of incest but it has not happened. Oh, we must put on our finery. Got to film.

It's a twist.

It's a twist. This is a twist from run we saw last week whereas a little boy had actually been interfered. Visa was a fantastic film, Like what are they thinking? Why do they love it so much?

I guess they do love going into the darkest possible areas, and.

As they spend so much time indoors, maybe.

Well, yes, then three months of the year is in darkness all of these countries.

Yes, and then the other three months of the year is in perpetual light when everything comes, all the secrets must come.

At blooming with the flowers. Another round is It is a really interesting film, and it's it's about these kind of mates, old old friends who that they've lost their feeling that a little bit like it would Norton, They've lost that kind of they feel a bit numb, and they decide they hear that some Norwegian professor has his theory that if you drink X amount of alcohol per day or no sorry, if you keep your blood limit at a certain alcohol limit, that is the perfect way

Well, work is the salvation?

Yeah, I mean and then yeah, no judgment. That's some people do bury themselves in. It's a coping mechanism. Yes, yes, yes, so fests and is Danish for the celebration.

How do you know all this off the top of your skorn?

I have I have?

Have you been googling? I saw your hands under the table and I assumed you were doing something else.

Derek called the celebration, so it so there's some sort of celebration. I take it.

Well, this is the Christmas. I think it's Christmas that we're all the family are together and they're all staying in the old house. But because it's a Dogma film, it's made with I can't remember what the tenants were the Dogma film.

Yeah, so the Dogma films were these Danish filmmakers. You've got together and said, okay, we're going to make with natural light, natural sound, natural sound, basically taking away all the elements, so skeleton crew.

And no makeup. I think it was natural maker.

And even the scripts were like like basically blueprints as far as you know, like loose blueprints. I'm not sure if there was like a this is how it read there's.

A feel like it feels like that, it feels like there's a lot of improvisation in it. And we saw one or the other. I think there were there might be more.

One of my extreme versions is Dogville, which is Nicole Kimmen.

Was Dogville Dogma a Dogma film.

Class Entry and that was basically on a stage.

It was like, yeah, I couldn't watch it and you watch walking from a room to room and the rooms were taped out on the floor.

Yeah. Yeah, but it was actually it was. It was really good. I mean, you need the patience for it.

Correct. I see, I'm very as a girlfriend of mine sees attention span of a gnat, very modern of me that I find it. I get very distracted.

And the National.

Gay jerrych will send it through and that is a lucast like creature.

So so yeah, so they are the Dogma films, yes, and so.

I think the reason that I mean, why is a film a favorite film? But Peter and I had seen another one called the Retards. I think it was called the.

Rethearts very Scandinavian.

So Scandinavian. It was about a bunch of like students who would go around pretending that they had various physical or mental afflictions. It was strange, didn't make it on my favorite least, but we were so there was something about the rawness of it. And also that's quite a scandalous.

One of my favorite stories and Judith Lucy is that her father used to pretend to get into the footy for free. Did that come up? Was that one of the characters. Was that one of the characters.

Well, you can't make some shit up, right, That's right, that's right anyway. So and then after that we saw fest and and then and it's become like a you known't think how things into the lexicon of your relationship life or whatever that Peter I'll sometimes we'll say about something, oh it was a real fest, and oh it was a real fest and gathering, and we know straight away what we mean. Song's the revelation of the child coppying it. But child is grown up, by the way, I don't

Of course, of course the third film is also moving on to my well, I always say my two favorite film or my favorite film is god Father one and two. I kind of put them together, even though I would probably have Part two a smidge ahead of the first.

But mind they're actually blurred now that you say that.

What's interesting. I talking to somebody about Godfather Part three, and it's Godfather Part three, which is often derided and unfairly. It's a really good film. It might not if you've seen the other two, Well, it just doesn't compare. It's just not in this in the conversation Very few films are in the conversation of this could be the greatest film ever made. Godfather's Part one and two are. God Father Part three isn't.

And that's you know, most old Sophia didn't she did, and didn't she go on to have the last laugh.

She did, got behind the camera, turned it around. But it's got one of the most famous quotable lines or Godfather movies, which I think some people often forget, is from Godfather Part three, which is every time I think I'm out, they you know they yeah, which is yeah. I often think I often forget that that's part three.

Well I didn't even remember that lines, so yeah, you had me there.

Yeah, So what do you love about Godfather.

Oh well, we watched it again when we were living in Italy last year. Of course we went to when we went down south to Sicily, we went through Godfather Country. It's such a remarkable It does all those things that a great film does. The music is magnificent, The cast is extraordinary, to the point where they're almost not like actors. The setting is sublime. They've constructed a world that you are immediately immersed in, and they've created it with such confidence.

You know.

If they're not confident, it's the worst thing because you don't feel safe.

I always talk about films about feeling like you are in safe hands, and sometimes it happens really early case in some dance Kid. I watch it for the first time for this podcast and did you Yeah with Bob Murphy and the first the opening frame, I'm just like, I think, I love this movie. And sometimes it can happen, you know, at the end of act one, or at some point, maybe happens later in the film, but I feel at some point that I love that moment where you're kind to go I'm watching a great film.

That you can totally surrender to it because like you said, you're in safe hands, so we've got Godfather.

It was.

It was like that.

It was so transporting, it was so brave.

The opening scene being an extraordinary like long sequence at the at the communion, the wedding sorry, and the light Marlon Brando so dark.

That yes, you know, these cheeks full of cotton, wool, cotton.

And the real cream or whatever that was.

It was.

It was so luxuriant, like they really not only could we trust them as filmmakers, but they trusted us as the audience to go just go with it. It's really Look, I've got goosebumps because it's just I love it. I really really love it, and because it's about a country that I love as well, and it's a part of it's historical and it's contemporary. Yeah, because mafia now is just legitimate business in Italy. They just if you do business,

And it's that beautiful journey that you see Michael go on when he doesn't not he doesn't want to be part of the family, you know, the family business. Loves his family, but it's not part of the family business. To see the corruption of Michael along the way, not just in one, but in part two.

It's inescapable and the heart of the movie.

Always think of the saga. I think he's Freido like this, the black sheep of the family who could not quite I'm not sure if you've ever met anyone who's like famili who are in business to and there's this one that doesn't fit into that family. And Fredo breaks my heart every time as it does Michael's impata extraordinary.

How amazing that we love the same thing. Eliah, here we go.

Oh haven't we mentioned this before? I mean, I'm listening to the incest side of Danish cinema.

Win you over, I'll win you over.

Let's chat about this extraordinary movie from nineteen ninety nine David Fincher, directed, written by Jim Old and starring Brad Pitt and Edward Norton. Did you like it?

I liked the first third of it.

That's interesting.

I like the first third of it. I was very surprised by it. It wasn't what I was expecting.

Did you think it was about men just punching each other and didn't have all those other themes.

Yeah, I didn't know that. It got all being John Malkovich, you know, So.

Did you know about the twist at all?

I didn't know. And that wasn't a twist. It was just stupid. It didn't even make sense to me. By that stage. I was quite weary because I'm like, but what it wasn't like that Bruce Willis film.

Well, both these films come out in the same year, did they? Yes, so nineteen nine nine ordinary year. Yeah, it was usual. Suspects also comes out that year, right, Crying Game comes out. I think maybe that was a twist you found out when you watch it with your kids, they found out.

Yeah, So I like, I loved the first third. I thought that they tried to do too much with it and in the and this often, I think this is often a thing in films. For me, just tell a story. It doesn't need to be it doesn't need to be so complicated. Like the premise of what they had was so interesting to me and exciting.

And and it's call or when you say the premise excited you, oh, just simply the idea that men disenfranchised men to feel something, need to hit each other feel something.

Yes, and that they started this this underworld world, and that it spread, you know, and that suddenly there were all these clubs doing it. I love that, and I loved even up to the point of his apartment exploding, like that was all fascinating. But then it felt like as a writer, and this is a terrible thing to say, you know, about an accomplished and respected writer, but it feels like they just got oh I know, let's make them the same person. They're the shame person.

Oh.

I fucking love it, man, I fucking love it. You know. It was just too much for me.

Yeah, I mean there are a lot of ideas. It's a very busy.

Yes, they need to cut the fuck down, you know, they needed to go to fight club and have some of that bullshit pummeled out of them because it was too much. But to a certain point, I really really really liked it, well than I thought I would.

I probably enjoyed the final act more so than the first third. If you like when he's looking for him, yeah, yeah, And I like the way because you can see that, you know, like the twist is the twist that Tyler Durdon is basically, you know, the invisible friend of Edward Norton, the narrator. Well, it's called Edward Norton.

Yeah, because I didn't know his name.

No what there's kind of gexture of what his name is. He's either narrator or Jack because he often says I'm Jack's you know.

I am Jack's medulla oblongado, I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Oh yeah, that kind of annoyed me, I must say. I was like, is this like an American phrase at the time, like, don't have a cowman type beware they were supposed to it hadn't aged. Well, yeah, right, and I've read I think Edward Norton believes that the character's name is Jack.

So I'm going to did they kill Edward Norton's career that film and yet somehow make Brad Pitt's career.

I don't think so, I know I'm leading into it. Was paid seventeen and a half million or seventeen million dollars to do that film in ninety nine, in ninety nine, and then Norton was paid two and a half million. Right, they actually wanted funny enough. Russell Crowe was one of the early favorites to play Tyler Derney. Yeah, but he was. They were overruled, so Edward Norton. After that, I am cheating here.

I thought also Edward Norton was ed Burns. Are they easily confused? I just maybe haven't seen enough of Edward Norton.

They do, they do.

And I thought he was married to Christy Turlington, which at one point in the film when I got a bit bored star.

Coogling.

Yeah.

So after Fight Cup he makes a film with Ben Steeler and Jenna Elfman called Keeping the Faith, which is kind of romantic. It's quite a nice film. Actually, it's a romantic triangle between Ben Stiller and they would not know who one's a rabbi, one's a priest and like a child friend of theirs.

And Jenna Elfman as we know as as scientologist. Yes, yes, so that was a third the Holy Trinity right there.

Yeah.

He makes The score Death of Smoochy with Williams, which cooked cooked.

We've just stumbled onto something here. That movie killed him.

Yeah, because for a while that he makes a film he makes The Illusionists, which was pretty good. In two thousand and six, becomes the Hulk not long after in two thousand and eight. Yeah, because before he made Fight Club, things going pretty well. So he's made Primal Fear, was I think his first film is his film debut was Primal Fear, which was a big twist movie that was ninety six. Then he makes American History X, which was yes, yes, yeah, and then it's Rounders which was quite big as well.

Cool it killed him Stone, Motherless Deed, okay, Ken maybe it was coming off seven which was oh yeah, what did he do? What did Brad Pitt do after that? Because it was one of the things that struck me in the film was how over art directed Brad Pitt was. But then when I came across the twist, I'm like, I can I under Maybe it was. It was obviously a deliberate thing, but I hate that over art direction thing that you often see in American movies.

Yes, yes it was. I mean it was very extremely stylised. So Brad Pitt leading into this has made movies like seven twelve Monkeys, which is great, Terry Gilliam, Sleepers, The Devil's Zone, didn't we work seven years in Tibet meet Joe Black and then so to get to your point, then he makes After Fight Club, he makes Snatch with Madonna's husband, Yes, guy Richie. And then he has a miss set with the Mexican where they thought, let's put Brad Pitt and Julia Robbins together. I could go wrong.

A Fly, But he's failing upwards.

Paychecks still going up. He's made more Oceans movie, Mister and Missus, Smith, evangel and Jolie which changed history, change.

History, personal and movie.

Yeah. But like he has what he has done, he's been able to still make great films. Glorious Bastard's burn after reading Moneyball.

Okay, riddle me this, because there was a point at which, you know how people say, oh, I can't unsee something. I had a moment of that with Brad Pitt.

Yes, you made a very strong statement.

Early.

I did.

I did, And he's to my mind, like a pretty girl in Hollywood films who's learned a lot along the way. It's not that he has never had good performances, but there was a moment in which I saw the essential truth of Brad Pitt as an artist. And from that point on I wish I'd never seen it, because I just couldn't. Now all I see is his tricks is whatever he's you know, birdshit hair, where he's getting his

Vince Vaughn does that a lot, and it keeps a vis Vaughn often eats in movies where it's like, why are you eating? Mane?

Because they can't do nothing.

Yeah. So it's often acting to have something in your Some actors do love having things in their hands, and it's eating something is a great way to take your mind off. Yes, what the lines and you know, the delivery of lines.

At one point in that movie in Fight Club, Brad Pete eats on the telephone and you don't even see him or you hear is his voice on the telephone calling Edward Norton at a public payphone. Edward Norton answers, and my husband went, is he eating? It's actually eating? Hello?

Who's this?

Who we're met on the airplane? We have the same suitcase the cleaver got.

He's going, Carl Yo, were we meet me at? Because he's such a hollow man as an actor?

Okay, I can pletely disagree.

I love that you do, but I haven't told you the Jump the Shark. If you want to hear that I do. I do, And you need to tell me at what point in his filmography what's it called filmography that he made the movie Meet Joe Black?

Well, Meet Joe Black came before before that was nineteen ninety eight, so he's made that a year before Fight Club.

I wish i'd never seen that film, because there's a film. Have you seen Meet Joe Black?

I've seen it, and I don't have a great reaching Hopkins.

But do you remember there was a scene where he was eating peanut but of course he was eating where he's eating peanut butter, and I think he's supposed to never have eaten it before. I can't remember why that would be. What was my met Joe Black about anyway?

Whatever's death, wasn't it all?

Yeah, that's had a twist how to twist anyway? So he's eating peanut butter and he's never he's supposed to I think, never have eaten it before, if I remember correctly. There's something about the peanut butter. And it was watching him do that and trying to act whatever he was supposed to be conveying, and it was so terrible. There should be another word for it. It was such bad acting that I was astounded that it got to the

So my take on Brad Pitt is that he is like a genuine movie star. Yes, and I think and I think if you're a judge him, like, I think, it's hard to judge him up against someone like a Paul Gamarti.

Or you know, yeah, because he's not an actor.

He's not a character actor as such. But I think he does a pretty good fist of disappearing into roles considering how extraordinary good looking that man is. Like I'm mu sure if you saw a film on Louise and we wechelled Alex Eedelman about that, and it is just both of us are just like wow. I mean, it's Paul Newman and Robert Redford at the height it is.

And that's why I said he reminds me of a pretty girl in Holllyyo would, yes, because but because he's a guy, he's allowed to have a longer lifespan than a pretty girl because, as you know, there's an age at which a pretty girl's petals drop off.

It's a very interesting point. Who is the prettiest girl who's operating now at the older age, who's been able to break through? Because Angelina Jolie and whether it's some people decide to what you know. We don't know, if it's how much he's walking away, raising a family or getting behind a camera. I think we do.

I think I'm a woman, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Angela's Jolie is kind of slowed up, but.

She's more powerful than a pretty girl. I wouldn't though. Her beauty is phenomenal once in a lifetime beauty.

Cameron Dia is kind of basically it's almost retired, Meg Ryan gone, Julia Roberts still there but not making the not the banner name yeah no, but George Clooney and Brad Pitt.

But also I find her a really good actor. She is. I find her a really good actor. So once again, not not kind of pretty girl, not just cast to be pretty girl.

Yes, yes, I mean, I mean my point is sort.

Of a bluarry one. I've only had two days to formulate it.

Well, this is the podcast about people processing a film that just watched. Yes, you may feel differently about I mean literally, I saw A Fighter when it came out in cinemas and I feel different changed one last night, yes, yes, twenty two years later, so twenty two years in terms of you will come back and find out how you feel about fight cler.

Wow, people, that is interesting, isn't it.

You'll do it.

But I.

Think as for a movie star and for somebody who looks the way he does, I think anyone who's got extraordinary, you know, physical beauty, who can actually disappear into roles is extraordinary. And I think, so he doesn't disappear for me over over when I see I've seen a lot of Brad Pitt movies, and I said when I saw Twelve Monkeys, when I came out, I said to my friend on community radio, I said, trust me, Brad Pitt is going to be one of the And he was

And you were wrong.

Fuck you, Lang Rock. I actuly believe. And if you see movies like Fury and you know Inglorious bartist Burn after reading he's hilarious in that like that's his A's a Coen Brothers film. With George Clooney, Tilda Swinton, Brad Pitt.

He's oh and he did that movie, that guy Ritchie movie where you couldn't understand him.

Yes, straight after the assassination of Jesse James. But the caw Robert Ford his extraordinary.

Him too harsh on him. But he's got certain things that great actors can do that he can't do. And for me, with my one year at acting school, I think I recognize them because they were things that I found hard to do. He can't laugh on screen. If you go back and watch Fight, come, I'm not going to make you watch it again. I mean, I have no power. He's terrible fate laughing. He does it many times in that film.

Yeah, when he's being beaten. Is that one of the ones?

Yeah, he doesn't, he actually does. He's got a terrible in acting. It's much. This is one of the bitter ironies of the fact that Academy Awards have never given to comedies, because it's much easier to go as an actor to the place of drama and tears and pain than it is to go to levity and buoyancy. Jennifer Aniston phenomenally underrated because the whole point of the comedy is you make it look easy, and so then I think people make the mistake of thinking it is easy.

No, and he's also from an artist's point of view, not just as an actor, as a producer. He's a production covering, which I think probably costs him money. Like, I don't think Plan B he started with, honest, that's.

Right, and in the divorce he brought her out and of course the ironies romantically, she had to find a plan be because her houseband wrapped off.

Maybe it was a plane a lot, maybe it was the Plan A.

Maybe it was.

But yeah, I am team Brad Pitt, so team Brown, Yeah, because I, like I said, I had low expectations when he started out, and he's exceeded my expectations.

I had didn't have low expectations because he was so phenomenal in Thelma and the Ways.

Yeah, and even though it was seven, he's so good.

So he's good in seven. He's good in seven. Not as good as Gwyne's Head in the Box.

Yeah, I mean, well, we can't go too bar into seven because we should get back to the fight club. But money Board is another one worth checking out. He's really good and more contained I think in that. Okay, let's move on. I will say this about Brad Pitt's wardrobe in this. For someone who's anti capitalist, he is sharply.

Correct, too sharply. But then you realize he's in a construct.

Yeah, so it's actually I was thinking about that during the film, and then I thought, hek, of course, this is Edward Norton's how he's projecting and he would like to be and how he would like to dress. Even the name is like such a it's a great name.

It's a great name. It's almost too great a name. But when you realize who he is, it makes sense that the name is so great.

Yeah, I like, what do you think of the support groups at the start. I enjoyed those. There's a lot of I think one of the themes of the film is basically the castration of men, and there's a lot of that going on, and you know, and the emancipation. Uh, they're basically you know, I wrote down in their emasculated consumers to begin with, and it's probably it's probably.

They're dead inside, dead inside their numb but they have enough of a glimmer of life left inside them to know that they're missing something.

Yes, that's that's a very good point. And it's I think it's Bob who kind of is the most that's meat life.

Yeah, that's amazing. With with the bitch ship, Yeah, there were some big sweet titt weren't they.

They really were. He was the only one allowed to fight in violation of the fight club rules with a shirt on because the reason was it was a fat suit.

Oh of course, because you were you couldn't say. And also that would have changed their rating.

I didn't realize because it didn't look good. No, they must have had I had seed also in the facts. Apparently it was very heavy and they had between.

Wow, I mean it didn't look it looked good. Yeah, but I wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated. Look at me, I've got them now.

I changed shirt in the Yasney class.

I did love I love that. I love that. It was a good idea. It was a great idea that people would go to support groups.

And yeah, I feel like I've seen that probably since that idea kind of explored, but it may have been the first to explore that, the idea of this going to support groups with no real need such for them. But Bob said, Bob is a was a body builder, lost his his testicles through cancer, phasically cancer, not through carelessness, carelessness, and then he's grown boobs and even his voice has lost its timber. It's like a feminine voice.

It's a good performance actor, wasn't it he was? Is he an actor?

But he's done something. He was in a rocky horror picture show. Oh that's right, But that was very different perform performance than this is more nuanced. But yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of castration going on, you know, as let's talk about you know men, Rapid has that line I told them when he's in the bars, and we're a generation raised by women. I'm not sure another woman is what we need.

Yes, Yes, which is very interesting and reminded me of an article I read the other day about you know, all this talk about toxic masculinity and there's never been more women involved in in boys lives. Every school teacher is a woman. In the media, it's dominated now by women. There's a lot of women around doctors and la la, and possibly toxic masculinity comes from not enough men rather than it was very interesting. You know, sometimes you read

I think like if you look at today, like this film feels almost more relevant today, even though this is all pre social media. We have all this, you know, but the idea this is a generator. Damien Power, we spoke. It was one of his favorite films, and he made a really good point, you know, because diversity always comes up, you know, chating. This is a very white film, but he said it's important that it's white because these are these are the haves in a way, like these are

Which comes up a lot now in conversations about like mental health for me in particular or whatever.

Yeah, well I don't think let's just say, a white man in Australia, what really do you have to complain about it? And even if you broaden it out just to kind of society. We are so lucky in this country. Yes, we don't know how lucky we are. We tend to escape. We escaped the global financial crisis. We've escaped other pandemics.

We're putting this stuff on the computer for you.

It's really we escape, we escape pandemics. SARS didn't really come to us, and I think with COVID, I think we all thought we were again. We will, you know, we'll catch a wave out of here before it before it strives, And it didn't. So I think it's come as as a shark and lot of people haven't known how to respond to it. But I just feel like, you know, when people start talking about segregation when they're talking about vaccines. Yes, you don't know what that actually means.

Yeah, well not in Victoria, not six weeks.

And I'm not necessarily wanting to open that up up that can of worms. And everyone is entitled. I sometimes wonder if people are looking for looking things to rally against them. And now listen, if you're well, I tell you what.

This is, really given something people something to rally against, because it's been an amazingly un Australian happening, do you know what I mean? Like for suddenly mandates and blah blah and dad are and show your passport and your ID and your thing and people writing and tanks in the street of Melbourne and helicopters flying.

Like that's really it's full on yeah, and I can understand you're saying it's an Australian I'll also make the point though, it's just something we have never seen. It's you know, the last pandemic was over one hundred years ago, and it's you do need to do something about it. Like the people aren't, you know, aren't going to fix this themselves. Now, you know, people have really like these days, they want to say I'm left or I'm right, or

The change about when that guy his name was, what was his name.

Let's have a listen to that. His name was Robert Paulson.

That's right, This is a man and he has a name, and it's Robert Paulson.

In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name. His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert paul His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.

Come is Robert.

Robert.

So it become like copies of copies of copies. As they've kind of rallying against you mentioned earlier, this idea. They've set up franchises of these fight clubs around the country.

And I love that when he would be somewhere and he'd get the wink, that's I love that.

That's what I really loved about that last third. That's like the you know, like the waiter and when he when he she orders the clam chowder and he checks that it's it's safe. Is basically they either piste in it.

All, thank you so many, advice against the leader, heat and.

The c chart, cancel the clam chat Yeah, you know it is so good. But this this hobby has now become this kind of cult.

And it's a runaway cult.

Yes, it's it's it's exploding. And that one of the things the early things they did with the you know, the Project Mayhem was to that, and I really loved that the two Birds of One steing where they had to destroy a piece of corporate art and a franchise coffee shop at the same time. So they get that ball rolling into the coffee shop, which isn't Starbucks, the Startbucks. There's a couple of Starbucks apparently in every scene that

Up Starbucks allowed it to be happened.

You still need you still need there because it's coffy, right, you still need to go and get the mission for this thing.

Really, Yeah, but they wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been like they didn't pay to have their products.

No, I don't think it's product placement as such. They just from understand they allowed it. I'm not sure if Game of Thrones allowed the Starbucks coffee cup to be the same. Game of Throne, there was a famous mistake where there was that's coffee an extra I know it's on it's on the table. These characters are having this big scene. There's a coffee but yeah, and the irony of that is it goes into this franchise you know, coffee, and then it's five clubs becoming a franchise in itself.

I mean, I'd love to be I've always wanted to be in a club, Yeah, but like the Groucho Marx thing, not in a club that would have me as a member, you know. Like I love the thought of a secret world. I love the thought of like going in somewhere and there's a secret hand and shake, or that people are just like that you know something that no one else knows. Yeah, I'd find that such an attractive premise.

But isn't that to draw it back a little bit to what's going on at the moment I find, whether it's protests about lockdown or the vaccine. I think a big part of it, yes, really out of the family part of a group.

That you're in fight club and mate, when the coppers were flying over you in helicopters and coming at you and the head of your unions being protected now by bikis, you are in fight club. There was no doubt I understand that they had that adrenaline and that whatever and that rage.

I do.

I totally understand.

I'm not sure if rules one or two exists in their club though, No, well it must now Well, yeah, I think they've gone.

Really, they've had to go underground. I mean, if they still even exist, they're pretty well been pummeled.

But again it became this thing where I think those protests, So for those of seeing who may be aware of it. In Australia, there were these protests against mandatory vexing of the building industry, and it seemed to be the first day, seem to be you know, a large percentage of trades

Yeah, maybe, I don't you know what I don't know. A funny thing has happened which sort of ties back to the film. It's amazing, actually, isn't it.

How I thought a lot about what's going on me too.

The thing that strikes me most about this whole COVID situation or the mandatory VAX thing is the very people who taught us not to trust the government and not to trust big Farmer. Are the people now going, let's run with you? Why don't you trust the government? How do you not trust Big Farmer? And I'm like, but mate, you taught me. I've watched your shows over the years. I've seen the things that Firezer has done and the lawsuits. I know that the governments are capable of corruption and

There's also I think there's I know exact what you're saying, and I think there are people like Eastern Europeans, for example, I know quite for you, people who are eat in your pain, who do not want to get the vaccine. And and I've even just read articles and where there seems to be a theme another part of the world as well, where there is an innate trust of government because and it's based on a very real thing, distrust of distrust the government because of the they've lived, what

That's right, it's not specifically this one, but there is a pattern of oh, look, I think there's a general sense of back to the film, a diminishment of the autonomy that people feel over their own lives. And even if you look at like Hong Kong, the protest movement in Hong Kong, all those things that we've been sold as like, isn't this amazing Now because we've got this facial recognition technology, you can you don't even have to stop at the passpot thing. You can just walk through

There's a film that's popped on the TV the other day and I watched a bit of it and it drew my attention. It's a film called Love and Other Drugs with Jake, JILLN Hall and and Hathaway. It's it's not bad, but the villain in the film is Piza. He is basically you know, is.

He the farmer rep Yes, I've seen.

That fires signage all over through it.

Oh really that would have been with the permission.

As well, have to be, I imagine, But I'm not sure how that would have happened. I have seen it before and I didn't watch all of it, and it's largely about you know, it's about a lot of things. But you know, I'm sure most audiences just watch it for the sexual chemistry between Jake, Jill Hall and Hathaway. They really go for it. But I can't forget even where it ends up. But certainly Fires is not painted in a good in a fluttering light.

Well, they never have been, No, No, which is not to say that pharmaceutical companies haven't done amazing things. We know they have. But we also know that if you ever want to know the truth of a situation, follow the money, and at the moment the money leads to Phizer or these farmer companies, that suddenly who's done well out of the pandemic Jeff Bezos.

Jerry Harvey, Jerry Dan Murphy's, Dan.

Dan Murphy's and Firesa Yeah, top four hundred Forbes company.

I mean, I'm glad fires I came up with a vaccine. I'll put that out there as I'm glad the Asheseneka because I'm not sure if might A ten would.

Have got there exactly. And I think you're right, But I'm also like, even then things have like the trashing of a Z or whatever, which is you know we were talking about on the project that that's four dollars a dose. The fireser is twenty dollars a dose. Who trashed a Z? Like you don't hear anything about the myocarditist that fires are causes in. Like there's two kids from one of my son's school in hospital, young men

No, Well, this is this is this is pre social media. This is pre Twitter's, pre Instagram's, pre Facebook, I think, And it.

Is amazing, it feels so contemporary despite that.

But but I think because I think one of the points they're making is a really simple point is that whether you hit yourself to a capitalist society or a fascist society, you are just a number. So you are you're either something to be sold to, yeah yeah, or you're something to live under. You know, you are living under a dictator, or you are living under the oppression of consumerism.

And when the capitalism becomes the fascism or the communism becomes the fascism, where do humans turn. They go to fight club.

They go to fight club, and then and but then fight club kind of starts, yeah, to become betraying itsel.

To become the thing that it hated.

Even the entry exam if you like, or the initiation is to stand outside, to be isolated outside when all you're wanting is connection.

Yeah, and that you call people sir, yes, but sir yeah.

So it's it's they become like a parody of.

What they actually he's anyone. Have you ever had a fight.

There was one fight when I was younger outside of a pub with with that with you. Yeah, but to be honest, the punch that he landed on me, yeah, and the punch I landed on him. You know where Ed Norton goes to hit brad Pitt. You want me to do you just want me to hit you, fir Why why? I don't know why. I don't know. Never been a fight, you.

Know, But that's a good thing.

Like in the base, surprise me, mother fuck hit me in the ear?

Well, jesus, I'm sorry.

I sucked it up.

Oh that was perfect.

Directly actually went up to him and David. He just said me him and hit him in the ear. So Bradbit did not know that was coming. So yes, he was. He was told to hit him, mishit him and hit him in the air. Not so why he was supposed to hit him. It was just a couple of the jaw or whether he wasn't even going to hit him or not. But yes, there you go.

I did love as well when Ed Norton would go into work because he was just he was such a wage monkey. When he began to assert himself in the workplace before he even stepped to his boss. I just meant when he went in and you saw that his posture was different, he was with his black eye. I just love the thought of going into just such a conventional workplace where you know, we're all sheeple, aren't we, Where suddenly you feel like you're not one of the sheeple sitting there with your black eye.

Well, it's and that was one of the seeds of this entire movie. So the author, the author of the book, I'm going to chuck, Chuck Palanuk.

I don't know how to say it.

Sometimes of authors you see the name written actually here, but Palaanyuk. He went camping with some friends and there were some people in the nearby campsite who the music was being played too loud, so he went over to ask him to turn it down. They did not take kindly to that. They got into a fight. He was beaten up, and then the next day or the monday after, he went to work with all these sketches and bruises over him, and nobody asked him.

What happened because they were too like, it's to there be monsters.

Yeah, and they just also did not want that connection. They just wanted to, you know, pretend it wasn't happening, do their own thing. Yeah. So that was the first seed of the movie.

You know, you said that it was like when you got into the fight outside the pub years ago, which which who were you in the scenario? Were you the ear puncher did you get so?

Yeah? Sorry, both punches were ear punch average. Yeah, so neither of you already hit the ground. It's one of those ones where we're very relieved that our friends came up to save Ego. And it's it's and I can't even tell you many years later, twenty eight years later, probably how it started while we were there outside of the party.

Lead up, the lead up outside the part is probably the clue.

Yes, exactly, it was born.

It's always drunkenness. It's always drunk.

It's it's silly. I'm not a fighter by nation, oh not at all. Yes, And as a father of three boys. It kind of that memory almost terrifies me, even somebody who I very rarely. My blood boils very seldomly, and for that to happen, I'm like, Okay, just remember that can happen to anyone.

That's interesting because I have three boys as well, I've never thought about teaching them about fighting or not fighting. You know, you must have to have a conversation with boys about I.

Was talking about about walking away. You never know what the other person either has on them.

What their intentions are, what the state of mind in the.

Mind is, so you know, and this is I got into my fight before the rise. It's seemingly of knives and ice, ice and also mobile phones, where let's film, Yeah, right, let's fight.

So otherwise you could have made fight class.

I would have broken all the rules. I want to take my shirt off.

You would have been meat life.

Did you realize you said you knew that going in about the rule. Yes, I'd even forgotten how many rules they were in my mind. It kind of ended after that. It was the professional of fight club. Don't talk about five club. The second rule of fight club. You don't talk about fight club. It turns out there's eight rules.

I can't remember any of them.

Oh I hang on, I'll remind you. Right, let's fight the rules of five club.

Gentlemen, Welcome to fight club. The first rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Second rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Third rule of fight club someone y else stop, goes limped, taps out.

The fight is over.

Fourth rule, only two guys to fight. Fifth rule, one fight at a time fellas. Sixth rule, no shirts, no shoes. Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at fight.

Club, you have to fight.

That is such brilliant writing. You know what it reminded me of is that William Goldman adventures in the screen Try Yes, where he writes about maybe he doesn't write about it. I think did he did terminate it? Didn't? He was a script doctor on he did.

He did a lot of script doctrine. He did Cashi to something. Also did the Princess Bride.

I think it was the Terminator where they he became like a sort of a not a joke, but a legend in screenwriting. Circles because he got five hundred thousand dollars a word for script doctor, and because he wrote I'll be back right and and first rule of fight Club is on par with that.

Well, I find it extraordinary. Like sometimes when there are lines that become getting to the zio iconic iconic lines, you think they must have been stoked when they wrote that, Yes, how do they know, Like they just don't know. How do you know that I'll be back becomes because I love It's got to do with the way Arnold Schwarzenegger delivers that, the way Brad Pitt delivers this ism in this film, of course.

And then nothing's worse than in films when you can see they've tried to make it happen where you can't tell that they've gone, oh, that'll be there, that'll be sticky.

Well, if you think, if you think most most iconic lines in movies, they're not Oscar Wild type witticisms. They are just quite simple and it's about the moment more often than that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that is phenomenal. The first rule of fight Club. I have said it myself so many times, just as you know, everyone always gets it in the room. Probably many people like me have not seen the film.

Yeah, this podcast quite often somebody's gone. Now. I understand all those Simpsons references because Simon's parodied so much like Citizen Kane and The Shining for example. There's been multiple episides where they've parodied those films, and I'm sure they've done They've done Fight Club. I've got some fun facts before we wind up, Cake Lan Rook. You want some fun facts. Who doesn't want a fun fa love fun facts? Brad Pitt and Helena Helena at bottom Carter, she's greater than she's great.

She's I always find her great. She's often in an entirely different production, but doing your own wardrobe like just amazing. She's kind of like the Dark Goblin, like Tilda Swinton in terms of the fact that they're just so authentic and not retail.

Yeah. Well, one thing I did, I must say, watching the film back last night, I did think I was almost shocked. And this is silly, and I'm being silly for saying it, but I'm shocked that we didn't see the twists coming. There are so many references, really well, even in that first first line, the narrators is I know this because Tyler knows this. Now, that's something that you don't pick up on first view. But there are a whole bunch of little references that of course once

But that's always a twist. When you go back and watch a film with a twist, it's like sixth seens, but.

It's all subtle things in sixth sense. It's almost like it is giving you a big nudge in that direction.

But that wasn't your fun fact about bottom Car and.

Brad Pitt recorded three days. They took the record orgasm sounds for their for their sex scenes. Oh really, yes, three days seems excessive. David Fincher is somebody who doesn't like to go from multiple takes. I feel like that might have been taken it.

But they was so extreme those sounds.

Yeah, Well, because it was supposed to be like mad mad and this is like rutting is what he believes. You know a woman once and what for a man you need to be that you know full on? It needed to break through the wall to be alpha. Also, the sex scene was shot in the using the same bullet time technique as the Matrix was. You know, it's funny that the same techniques use. Matrix gets all the credit because it's probably using a more interesting way. Possibly, yeah,

She thought so it looks kind of naive and raw.

Yes, nice touch.

Why didn't she just apply herself?

Well, because somebody she doesn't do something out of the job.

Somebody still had to towsle her hair and put her in those platform shoes.

She was almost going to be played by Reese with a spoon. They wanted Reese with a spoon, but she was considered too young. Oh my, and she thought it was too dark and actually knocked it back.

Wow.

Imagine legally blonde.

Doing But it's funny because in her body of what she's increasingly allows herself to be dark. It's not dark like Bottom Carter. It's it's kind of a twist on the girl next door dark.

Yes, she's not that, she's really reaching the more interesting places the older she gets. Wow, roseo O'donald gave basically saw the film, was disturbed by it, and basically told her audience she had the daytime show. I think at the time I told her audience not to see it and gave away the ending, just.

To really put a bow on it. Yes, why would she be disturbed by it?

It's I guess a lot of people do find it really full on. The violence is full on. And if you then if you don't go along with the premisil premise of it. I guess right, I said I the first time I saw it, and even the second time I saw it, I was a bit respected it. I never walk away. I respect the ambition of the films, even if they're not as ambitious as this.

Yes, yes, yes, and I love you know what I love. I love an idea. I don't have to agree with an idea, but I love someone having an idea that and that film is definitely an idea, and it's an idea that has not dated. No, it's in fact, it was like it was prophetic.

The David Fincher also mass speaking of other actresses with Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Yes, so this is as she's filming Seinfeld. So she's filming Seinfeld, she meets you, David Fincher, she doesn't. David Fincher gets the impression she has no idea who he is, even though he's directed seven and the Game. He says, as if she wouldn't know, well, you would think the bad management.

No, no, she would totally know. She's got so culturally.

Might have been some miscommunication. And he said he felt like a fucking loser in his words.

Really that was personal, got personal personal.

Tyler Dirton appears in five scenes very quickly before we see him. We first see him on the escalator, I think at the.

Oh yes, at the airport. Yeah.

Yeah, But he appears five times before that, very quickly. It's blinking. You'll miss it, and if you don't belink, you don't miss it. So he's at the photo copy for one twenty fourth of a second. Oh, he's in the hallway of the doctor's office. He's at the testicular testicular support.

I think I saw him somewhere. Could I have seen him with my naked eye, Yeah, yeah, because he was very distinctive.

And he's behind Edward Norton when Marlin leaves the one of the meetings and he's also on the video on the far right, when the narrator it was not checks into the hotel.

No, I wonder I was so confused. I was confused for the last twotho that film. I was very confused.

You know what.

I just realized another clue when Edward Noughton says to him on the plane, Oh, look, we've got the same briefcase. Yes, and I thought there was going to be some briefcase mix up. But of course, yeah, I thought there was going to be that, and then he was going to get the briefcase home. I forgot that. I thought that, and that never happened. But that was obviously a clue. Maybe it feels a bit retro fitted that they needed to put more clues in along the way.

Yeah, I do find it really fascinating. Like what than the Raider does for a living, So he attends crash sites and works out, Yeah, basically, so it does make sense that he's had this awakening, even though you don't notice. You see the moment, you see the apartment exploding. You're working on what that means later on, But he's had this awakening of like basically, and he tells that woman on the plane that what I do like that the company won't do a recall if it's not going to

Ways raised his consciousness. Yes, is that a fun fact?

I mean some of the fun facts. I mean, Daddy, I think the fun fades more are facts some of us. Some are just facts creep into the fun facts. It's the detectives who tried to cars straight Edward Norton Detectives, Andrew, Detective Kevin and Detective Walker named after a writer who wrote seven Andrew Kevin Walker, and he did an incredited rewrite, as did Cameron Crowe actually on Fine Clubs.

So as a nod, it's nice.

It is nice. It is nice. And there was a line that the Fox executive freaked out when this happened like this movie, like they it's like, didn't you read the freaking scripts? Like so when this happens, is what you expecting the fight or the fight stuff that you may have expected. You didn't read a script, you didn't commission this. So when they saw it and all this kind of consumerism stuff and you know, revolutions and that

Fucked like that sweets.

That's right, a great life.

They hate it even more than like not too late, too late. I've changed and that is it. The one final note, I just want to mate. Is for a pretty grim film. There is there is like that sense of optimism, grimly executed optimism of the end where you can still be an individual. You can choose not to follow this group. It's never too late to get out and become the individual. When he shoots himself in the face and and therefore killing Tyler Tyler dirt and I'm not sure how he worked that out.

But he doesn't kill himself does he know?

So he's still how did he do that?

Did Tyler just live in the left?

Well?

I'm not sure he aimed for the cheek or something, because he seems to be one signe seems to be more affected than the other. So yeah, I like the idea that you can still be an individual. Is I think, is the final message of the film well done? Do you think that? Do you agree?

I just I think so.

Yeah.

It did feel surprisingly optimistic, didn't it.

It was for someone op domestic, considering he just shot himself in the face.

Yes, yes, I assumed that he was going to die. And then suddenly when he gets up and he's like, I know, I'm fine. How was he fine?

I laugh got a bit when when they're coming in, yet I was amusing and little.

Did we know that his career was not going to be fine?

Well, I mean I don't think he's had a bad career.

No, but just as we compeared earlier, the ascendancy of one career versus the other on What's Been you know, it was a huge film.

Brad Pitt is a movie star. Yeah, I'm not sure if I think is trapped between that character, actor and movie starting somewhere in between.

Yes, yes. And also I just think the voiceover was too long.

Yeah, there was too long and too flo very. It was very talky, and I think when I first saw it, I'm not nihilistic, I'm not particularly cynical, so a lot of it was just like yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, like just sort of washing over you, like a sort of dank tied.

Maybe because I watched it. When I watched it with things that are going on around us, I took more in and it felt more real to me than it did twenty two years ago.

I'm very glad I got to see it.

Well, I'm glad you watched it, and I thank you for doing your homework. And I mentioned it in the in the introduction. But just one final reminder that chow Bella is in bookstores right now. Congratulations, you have written a book. It is starting book.

I've written a book that was my own personal fight club.

I imagine it was so lockdown when basically at the front line of the pandemic Italy was there for a little while.

Yeah yeah, yeah, first place after China.

Yeah, I know, so your holiday, your dream holiday, your vacation.

Yeah, gap years. Yeah, it was amazing. But then there was what we thought was the hard year. The first year with no pandemic was actually the great year, and in fact the pandemic year was a great year as well.

Yeah. All, you know, we had to see the bright side. You had to find the little winds along the way. And I think spending time even though I've got your four kids, you're a couple uh one ahead of me on that scale.

You've got three kids, four You've got four kids, and Edward Norton and your Charla Durdon and you're really made. Oh my, that where they come.

I think I've said that, I've said that before, made that mistake before. Maybe I do have a kid out there that I'm.

Not aware of, a man easily.

Course, I feel like I put that out in the world.

Did you ever have sex with Helena and she said to you, I want you to father my abortion.

I think I may have and maybe she didn't. No, Yes, and you know, you spending time with the kids was you know, it was in a way of blessing.

It was amazing. It was time that hopefully touch Wood over that they're already softening, softening us up for the next pandemic, aren't they. Oh, there'll be another one there.

We'll get through it together because we're together and now we know what we need to do.

Just get a vaccine. We've got a new one. Fire we heaven, new run. Jake gillenhol will sell it to you.

You know it'll be I think there'll be a lot of pivoting going on with companies might have ten, but the next pandemic might a ten. Will be giving Bunnings, not just getting jab there, but actually whoever.

Whatever companies have survived, yeah, will have It's like how everyone started selling hand sanitizer and face masks.

Speaking of things that have survived, I've made a booking for us to go have lunch. So let's do that.

Okay. I'm not going to fuck you, Einstein. I'm just telling you that from their jump.

We'll disorder. Thank you so much. You are one of my absolute faiths, Katie, and congratulations on the board.

I'm so happy to be a part of this. I didn't think I had enough knowledge about films, but you have the art of making whatever people bring to the table, you make it seem like it's the greatest gift they could have brought. It's a very amazing knack you have.

Well, what's is you about this podcast? I don't know. I never asked what you thought of the film before we start talking. I don't ask what your three favorite films are. And so it's it's it's not. And sometimes sometimes I'm still processing a film, so I'm still like learning and kind of taking in what my guess is telling me, and like that's still someone's influencing what I think about a film.

Yeah, right, so that's what I was. And and let me just say this. Tonight, when you and Bridge it are watching Fester.

And Fester and what a date night, I might do a Fester and Breaking the Waves, double.

Breaking the Waves. Okay, I've just got to tell you this. I saw Breaking the Waves with when they still had the Lumier Cinema in Melbourne, Film Lovers Cinema that of course, the Film Lovers had the tiniest screen you've ever seen. It was before they invented iPhones, but the screen was about that size. Anyway, I went with an ex boyfriend of mine who you know, mad, a mad, brilliant creature but mad who started views, who started yelling at the screen?

Take it off? Take it off?

Just what was he yelling?

Like?

That's not on? At the end when the father gets the vile father who.

To be honestly, the only thing I remember about her films as a large as almos. The first time i'd seen Emily Watson, I remember thinking she's extraordinary.

But Emily Watson, Yes, oh my goodness, yes, I didn't know that, and I did. Was that what's her name? Tilda Swinton postpartum with her twins.

In that possibly I think she.

Did a scene showing her body because she is an extraordinary actor allowed herself to be filmed naked postpartum from having just given birth to twins.

She's extraordinary.

She's the opposite of Brad pitt I.

I I accept what you're saying. She's extraordinary actress and artist.

I think anyway, this madman that I was going out with, who starts yelling when the hideous evil father who's just done an unspeakable thing involving a baby, You just can't even conceive that you're in that anyway. So he's yelling out at the screen, and I'm like, because we're in there with film lovers. It's not like you're at you know, village on a Saturday night going Transformers. Yeah, exactly, exactly,

Well, some cinemas, if you've been through the movies in the States, very interactive, the spectator sport as.

You see Queen the Teeth of film there with a largely black audience, and it was the most social thing I've witnessed to see.

A comedy in a place on New York with you know, a largely like black audience. Yeah, they are the best to watch it. I saw and Adam sand and Kevin James film. It might have been the one where they pretended to be gay to get a conversation or something.

Every country's got a version of that.

There's no other way of me enjoying that film than the way I experienced it, which is in New York with people watching that. You go there, you did that? He just did that? Oh no, he didn't.

I think if you as a stand up, if you had if you're American and you had a black audience, what you would leave feeling like a king, wouldn't you. They're so alive in their appreciation.

Yeah, even sometimes when you're in He'll be leaving a leaving a subway in New York. And there was a gentleman who's the information booth and he was a mess theatrical Yes, yes, yes, And there's a joy that just is so infectious where we try to avoid, you know, anyone who can approaches us in Melbourne. This is just like you avoid them. I'm right. Yeah, but this guy was singing, dancing. You know, he is a legend. Kate. We got booking, so let's let's go. But thank you

Why don't we go and have a fine.

Yeah.

Break.

One of the rules of fight club is one of the rules about no women.

Yeah, we're already broken.

That's just a general Hollywood rule.

Oh my job out you fuck fight club.

Fuck Marla.

I am sick of all your shit. Okay, okay, we're screwing around. There you go. They told us not to talk about fight club as one of the rules, but we broke that rule absolutely. Kate Lainbrook. I love hanging out with Kate. She always brings fresh perspectives and surprising perspectives as well, So thanks Kate. Chow Balla is a brilliant,

Well, it feels like growing out in the out eastern suburbs. I should say yes, I have been a fight club, which is any sort of seventeenth birthday party in Baronia, but no, nothing so organized as that. In fact, I went to my first ever boxing proper boxing match last year because a friend of mine was doing it to get fit, and it was just bizarre, right, we just watching people hit each other.

It's just surreal.

Yeah, I don't like it, to be honest. I don't you think when you're younger, you you know, there's that kind of bloodlust you have to see a fight, you know, and there's a fight in the school yards, a fight, fight, fight, But when you actually see somebody to get hit, it is so sickening. I don't really get into those sports as much, even though I full respect for the the athletes that put themselves through what they need to do

Well, I'm calling it a speak pipe.

What they call it, that's what they call I'm being I'm being full forty six year old man calling it a smoke pipe, but it's a speak pipe. And if you want to actually send us a message where we can hear your voice and get your voice on the podcast, which we would love to hear, we'd love the emails as well. You can email us at yasny Podcasts at gmail dot com, but we love hearing your voice. So how do they do that? Derek?

Right, you can hit a link. We'll put a link in the show notes. Just hit that link and you'll see a website. You can literally just speak straight into that and drop a message. It's essentially like an answering machine.

I remember those.

But it just gives us the clips as we need them. Nice short clips.

Yeah, I reckon about forty five seconds is what you maybe you're looking for. We're we probably won't be playing or we'll have to edit anything that goes much beyond that. But yeah, yeah, we'd love to hear your voice. But Derek, we've got an old fashioned email from somebody today who we've got.

Yes, this one's from Jason. Hey Jason, and it's titled looking forward to the Next EP, and Jason says, love the podcast. It's a good start, such easy listening and so informative.

Well done, Thanks Jason.

Can I suggest you get in touch with Josh Earl?

Well, hang on a second. Jason obviously isn't up to date because Josh Earl was actually the very last episode that we did with the Josh Earl, the Taking of palam one two three. I love that episode. I loved hanging out with Josh. So why does Jason want us to get in touch with Josh Earl again?

He mentioned recently that he hadn't seen Raiders.

Of the Lost Dark. Oh okay, I didn't know there was anyone left that hadn't seen that. Well, funnily enough, I have found somebody who hasn't seen any of the Indiana Jones movies, and that is comedian Adam Rosenbark's comedian writer. So he will be joining us this series and he will be we'll be chatting about Raiders of the Lost Dark, and I'm sure that will then lead into the Temple of Doom and the Last Crusade and then we'll decide

Do that suggest get in touch with Josh and saying you better watch it soon because as an avid listener of this podcast, it'll be spoilt for it.

Yes, absolutely, we will keep diving in the Raiders at the Lost Dark.

Jason goes on, if you're up for ideas for an episode, I've noticed some debate recently about which year is the best year in history for movies. You could explore a different year in each episode.

It's a very good idea, Jason. I like that idea. You know, we've still a lot of movies to get through. And when I started this podcast, I thought, yeah, I wonder how many episodes this could sustain. How many classic movies are there? And you kind of think there are shes load of classic movies. So maybe when we exhaust all the classic movies, but they keep making new classic movies,