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Yaron Lectures: Morality of Self Interest

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How to defend a free society? Lima, Peru. Yaron Brook talks about the morality of capitalism and the self-interest. Conference about Objectivism in Lima, Peru.

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So maybe maybe the most amazing story in all of human history is the story of what has happened to humanity over the last two hundred and fifty years. About three hundred years ago, how many people do you think what percentage of the world population do you think lived in extreme poverty? And when I say extreme poverty, I mean the poverty of the poorest of the poorest people here in poor who are living on let's say, two dollars a day or less

in real dollars. And maybe there's nobody who who lives that poor, but there are people in Africa, and there are people in parts of Asia who are living on two dollars a day or less. I mean, imagine even in your life what that would mean to live on just two dollars that's less than a latte at Starbucks, right for a day. What percentage of the population in the world you think lived on two dollars a day or less three

hundred years ago? Over seventy percent. Anybody else, ninety eight percent, ninety five percent more almost everybody, and I'm talking about everybody Western Europe, England, the whole world. Ninety plus percent of the population lived on two dollars or less a day. People woke up in the morning. Mostly they went out and they farmed. Most of the population were farmers. They came home when the sun set, they ate a quick dinner, they went to

sleep. No reading. Nobody could read. No electricity, no light, no toilets, no any water, no iPhones, no internet, no TikTok. Can you imagine? That was three hundred years ago? And that seems like a long time ago. But for all of human history, for a hundred thousand years, basically human beings lived about the same. There were some changes. We became agricultural at some point, but we were still poor. And what was life expectancy during that period of time? How long did people

live? Forty in the most prosperous, best places, thirty in the rest of the world. I am long dead, long, long time ago. You guys already in middle age. You've got ten years to live and you finished, right, That was life. Fifty said of all the children died before the age of ten. One of the reasons people had a lot of kids instead of the end you half of them were die. Life was brutal, You were short, he was unpleasant. You had no choices in your

life. Who did you marry. You got to choose who you married. No, your parents told you who to marry. You didn't choose your profession. You did what your parents did. Most of you were farmers, and you continue to be farmers. But if your father having to be a blacksmith, you became a blacksmith. There were no options. And if you're a woman, forget it, zero options. You did what you were told. And yet look at us today. Look how rich we are relatively speaking,

where gazillion is. We have running water and electricity. We don't live on two dollars a day less. Indeed, we spent two dollars on a latte. We have iPhones, we have amazing technology. We live your generation could live to be one hundred and fifty. It wouldn't surprise me at all if biology doesn't advance the point right too late for me, I think, but

for you, I think we're going to see real life extension Already. Life expectancy today for me is probably well into the eighties, more than double what it was just not that long ago. What happened, what happened to take us from that poverty to this wealth? And why don't we appreciate that more? Because what happened is we became free. What happened is we allowed people

to start businesses, to build, to create, to innovate. What we got was a little bit of what people today called capitalism, and yet we hate it. We hate capitalism, We denounced capitalism. You and Peru have elected leftist government, but so is Colombia, so is Chilean, so is Argentina's with Brazil, and so is every almost every country in the world. So what's interesting is during the nineteenth century and early twentieth century, we had

a system where wealth is created. There was basically a system based on the idea of free markets, of leaving people free to pursue their own ideas, to build you own businesses, to not ask for permission in order to start a is this, and to employ people in order to transact with one another. We had a system where basically people we're free and left alone, and we create an unbelievable wealth. It really is unbelievable how wealthy we are by

historical standards. Four hundred thousand years, nothing happened. Suddenly we became rich, And that should be the most interesting important question in all sciences. Why what did we get right? And what basically we got right is freedom. And the most important question we should ask ourselves today is why is it so easy for us to give it up? If it contributed so much to our success. Why are we willing to give up our liberties and our freedoms?

Why are we willing not to have a free market but to control, to regulate it, and and and try to manipulate it in every country in the world. Why are we so attracted to leftist ideas that have failed everywhere they have been tried. Socialism to an extent that it is tried leads to starvation, death, destruction. Under communism in maoist China, anywhere between twenty two

hundred million people died under communism. Under stale it anywhere between thirty and one hundred million people died in Venezuela. Today people are struggling to eat, to find food. You know, Venezuela used to be the richest country on a capita GDP basis in Latin America. Chile used to be the poorest country in Latin America on a PI capita GDP. Venezuela turn socialist and became the poorest

country in Latin America. Chile turned a little bit capitalism, not a lot, just a little bit, and it became the richest country in Latin America. So who does everybody in Latin America want to copy Venezuela? The failure, that's all we want to copy. We reject the success. Something about free markets, something about capitalism we really don't like, Well, you really reject and again not unique to Latin America. You see this phenomena all over

the world. What is successful is freedom and capitalism and free markets. What is failure is government control, government manipulation, central planning, socialism that's always failed. What do people choose socialist? Why do we choose fail You you wouldn't do that in your postal life? I hope, I hope some of you might. You know that boyfriend who's not good for you, and you keep going back to him. That's like socialism, keep going back to it

even though we know it's not good for us. But then I postal lives we learned quickly. In our public lives, we don't learn at all. Why there's something about capitalism. This really is yucky, unpleasant. We don't like it. What is what? What? What is? What is? Uh? What are free markets? About what is the essence of markets? Just even not free? Just markets? What why do we go to the marketplace? Why do we go to the marketplace to do? What? To trade? But why do we want to trade? Right? Like? Why

did why did Steve Jobs make an iPhone? Why do do you make one of these? It's pretty right? I like my iPhone. Imagine if the government had made one of these, right, a government committee would have made one of these, it wouldn't be the size of this room, really ugly and never work. What did what did? What did Jobs make one of these? Steve Jobs to form a CEO of Apple who died? He made this because what it helps him make? Just yell whatever whatever comes money right

and helps they make money. He made it for the money. A lot of profit in this. They sell this for fifty percent profit margins, which is high right if they eat eight? He made it to make money. Every business, every business out there, everybody who sells you stuff out there, is doing it because they make money. Why why do they make money? Because they live off of it, the vast off of it. They become rich off of it. Is it only about money? Did he only

do this for money? No? What else boy the innovation, But what about the innovation? Yeah, he enjoyed it. He loves the stuff. This is so much fun. And hopefully when you get a job one day or you start a business, you won't just do it for the money. Also for the money, money's important, but you'll do it because you love it, because you're passionate about it, because it really gets you excited. You get up every morning excited about making something in the world. You have

a vision. Steve Job at a vision and he made it a reality. Soa who at the end of the day, did Steve Jobs make the fight phone full? He didn't do it for us, and he didn't ask us what we wanted. Do you know how many focus groups? You know focus groups? If you're take in a Malkety class, they teach about focus groups and how many focus groups Apple did before they designed the iPhone, before they put the iPhone out zero you know Forward, the guy who forward from the

cause. He once said, if I asked my custom about what they want, they would say a faster horse. We don't know what we want. It's geniuses like Ford and Steve Jobs who tell us what we want. They present us with a product that we fall in love with su Seem Job built this for Steve Jobs, and he sells it to us because he benefits from it. And I went to buy my first iPhone in two thousand and eight.

It was two thousand and eight when iPhone first came out and the US economy was going through a session, and I went to buy my iPhone because I wanted to help stimulate the economy. I wanted to help my fellow man. And I hood from Canes the great economists that if you consume, the economy gets better. So I went to consume because I care about the economy and now want to help my fellow man, because I know that's why you go shopping. You all go shopping because you want to make sure people have

jobs, and you go shopping because you want to help stimulate economy. Right, anybody here go shopping for that reason. Usually there's one. It is one. No nobody goes shopping because of that. I didn't go shopping because of that. I didn't care about these economy. I went shopping because I wanted an iPhone because it was cool, because I wanted to improve my own life. You go shopping because you think that the stuff you buy will make

your life better. You go shopping because it's for you. Some markets are places where buyers and sellers meet in pursuit of their own self interest. Markets about the pursuit of self interest. Markets about the pursuit of self interest. We're trying to make ourselves better by working, by producing, by creating, or by consuming. We consume for our own benefit. We produce for own benefit. We're not doing it for humanity. We're not doing it for the

public interest. We're not doing it for the common good. We're doing it for our own good. But what did your mother tell you, or your preacher or your professors? What did they tell you about pursuing your self interest? Is this a noble thing? Is this a moral thing? Is morality about pursuing self interests? What's morality about? I can tell you what my mother taught me. My mother told me when it comes to morality, right, when it comes to life, always think of others first, think of

yourself last. If you want to be a good person, be self less, never be self interested. What do we have a word? An ugly word for self interest we don't like. What is that? You're being selfish? Selfish is bad? Why Selfish is you know you'll do anything to get your weight, hurts other people, you'll exploit other people. So the two options we're given in life is be selfish and be a horrible human being, or be self less put the interest of other people before your own interest.

Sacrifice. Sacrifice means what give something and get what in return? Nothing or less. Sacrifice is about losing. What are markets about? What do we just say? Markets about self interest? But morality? I was a self interested man morella you loses in in a marketplace? Who loses? When I buy my iPhone for a thousand dollars? Why do I pay a thousand dollars from my iPhone? It's a lot of money. Why would I pay a thousand dollars an iPhone? What's that? Because it's valuable to whom? To

me? How valuable is it more than a thousand dollars? That's why I'm willing to give up a thousand dollars to get the iPhone. When you buy a nice pair of shoes and pay I don't know, two hundred dollars for the pair of shoes, it's because the shoes are more valuable to you than two hundred dollars now maybe they're not. To me, I wouldn't buy those shoes, but to you they are. So we're each buying things, exchanging money for something more valuable to us, and the person's selling it to us.

Do they lose, No, they win to I mean trade, buying it, selling stuff. It's like a miracle because they win. And how you win both parties win trade is win win. They're no losers. There's no sacrifice. There's nobody worse off. It's an amazing thing. It's how wealth out them at least created. It's created by creating these win win relationships. So we're better off. We do it for ourselves. And yet a morality teaches us that being better off and doing it for yourself it's kind of

questionable. Vurali tells us we should sacrifice. Vurali tells us we should be self less. Roality tells us we should lose. Now win that's noble, that's good. Everybody knows who Bill Gates's. It's very quiet, Oh it's calling. What's everybody knows where lawn mosque is? Yeah, Bill Gates? Do you know Bill Gates's? Yeah? He found in Microsoft. Anybody use Microsoft. Everybody uses Microsoft. I use Microsoft. Even though I've only used

apples for thirty years, I still use Microsoft. Right, Wood and Excel and powerpoints and all that stuff. Right, Bill Gates got super rich. He became a billionaire. How did he become a billionaire? How do you become a billionaire by selling people stuff they want for more than it costs you to produce? But selling to billions of people, hundreds of millions of people, over and over and over again. And why do people keep buying Microsoft

stuff? Because they believe it makes their life better. So the only way to become a billionaire of free market is to make other people's lives better. It's to make the world a better place. It's the increase the value of other people because now they can use tools and they can be more productive. So Bill Gates made the world a better place by starting Microsoft. Improved the lives of hundreds of millions of people all over the world. Did we think

he was a good guy from a moral perspective? From an ethical perspective? Is he like a saint? Is he going to become a saint soon? No? No? Why is he not going to become a saint? Change? He brought more people out of poverty than maybe any other person in our lifetime. You know, all the millions of people who work either for Microsoft or for the people who like software for Microsoft, or the suppliers for Microsoft computers, or all the all the businesses he employed, millions and millions of

people. Made the world a better place, millions of millions of people. Why morally isn't he a good guy? He made the world of better place? What was his mistake? If you wanted to be a saint, what do you have to do? Sender? Yeah, I mean you can benefit from it. His mistake was making money while making the world of better place. Because our morality is not about helping other people. Our morality is about

not helping ourselves. It's about being self less. And if you become rich, or you become or you enjoy you or have fun helping other people, it doesn't count morally, which is really interesting. To be a saint, what do you have to do? You have to lose, you have to sacrifice, you have to somehow be in pain. If we want to make Bill Gates, you know a saint. By the way, Bill gets used to be run Microsoft. What does he do now? Anybody you know what

he does? Now charity, he's a philanthropist. Do people like him more now than when he was running Microsoft? Yeah, a little bit more. Well, now there are a lot of conspiracy theories about him, but put that aside a little bit more because now he's giving money away, he's not making it. Is he helping more people or less people less? Why do we like him more because he's not benefiting, he's only giving away. We still don't like him a lot because he's still rich. He has a big

house, he has a nice car. What would make us like him even more on the ethics scale? If he gave all his money away, if he moved due to a tent and maybe if he bled a little bit for us. A little bit of blood helps you if you want to become a saint, if you're pursuing your own self interest in any kind of way. Our moll code, the mall code that our culture has today in South America and North America and European pretty much everywhere in the world, it's against you.

You're not being moll And for most of us, what happens is we live a particular life. A lot of entrepreneurs, they make money, they do well, they create jobs, they change the world, They make the world have been a place, but they know that they're pursuing their own self interest, which they know because their mothers told them is not a good thing. So what do you feel when you do one thing but you're supposed to do something else? What's the emotion? Starts with a g guilt? Guilt?

You know guilt. You guys are Catholic, you know guilt. Us choose no guilt? Right, It's because we live one life and we're supposed to live a different one, one of child of giving or what of sacrifice? So why do we hate capitalism? We hate capitalism and free markets because capitalism free markets about people pursuing their self interest. It's about people doing pursuing their own values, having fun doing it, making money for themselves. And

yeah, I'm making the world have better place for all of us. But they're doing it immolately. They're doing in a way that's immol and wrong. Morality and economics, morality and what actually allows humanity to advance on two different planes. They don't match up, they don't link. The one is fighting

the other. Our morality is constantly fighting against what makes sense economically, our morality is constantly fighting against what makes sense for a perspective of walk creation, a freedom of advancing the wild, and that's a conflict you cannot win if you're on the side of free markers. That's why we don't win. We always lose. Socialism is completely consistent with the morality that the world of the world out there from each according to his ability, to each according to his

needs. It's about sacrifice. It's about giving. It's not about creating. It's not about building. It's not about making. It's about we distributing. It's not about the pursuit of your happiness or your individual interest. It's not about trade. It's ultimately about sacrificing some people to other people. Socialism is great when it comes to sacrifice, even if it means killing a bunch of people. That's okay. As Lennon said, to make it omelet you have

to break some eggs. He was talking about human lives, not about eggs. So our morality, i'm all code that we as a culture all embrace is consistent with culturalism. And in a battle between economics and morality, morality will always win. And that's why we always drift in a particular direction, which is ultimately self destructive. We then shift back, we go through this kind of we shift back a little bit to get the economy going again,

and then we immediately go back to our status socialist policies. Do we distribute work because we can't live with the explicit self interest that capitalism and pledge. We really care about freedom, if we care about economic success, if we want to be as individuals and as a cultural wealthy, then what we need is a different moral code. The economic system that works we know, I mean, look, we understand economics, we know why socialism fails. That

We've had great economists. You've explained why socialism fails and explain why capitalism works. I mean great economists. He can, you know, second to none. There's no economic questions out there that put in doubt the superiority of capitalism over socialism. What we need to do is catch up when he comes to ethical beliefs. We need a vuality that actually says that self in just is a good thing, that being selfish actually means taking care of self and does

lyne cheating and stealing? Is that a good way to take care of yourself? Like is lying a good strategy for living? Some of you look skeptical. You know, if you're not sure, he's in a little experiment you can do right. If you've got a boyfriend or gofriender, just a friend, try lying to them for a day. Just lie to them everything they ask you. Lie and see how well that goes. It's incredibly destructive. It's really really bad in business if you lie, people generally don't want to

do business with you again. If you like your friends, you're not gonna have many friends. If you like your husband and wife, divorce is in your future. Stealing, cheating, these are terrible strategies. These are not ways to make your life better. There are ways to make your life worse. So what we need is a real understanding or what makes all like better? And a morality. What's morality? What's ethics? When we talk about morality, high fluting stuff, what does it actually mean? What's end?

Yeah? Code fully a code of values to tell us what he's good and what is bad? And I would say we need a code of values to tell us what is good and what is bad. And the standard for that should be what is good for life and what is bad for life? Evil is that which destroys life. Good is that which enhances life. So we need knowledge about what enhances life well as human beings. What is the most important thing for human life? What is the thing that we need to do

in order to survive as an individuals and as a species. What makes us human? What's it to treat us and animals? Yeah, don't say thumbs. Something apolos to say thumbs. It's our ability to think. It's our reasoning ability, it's our rationality. We can figure stuff out, we can solve problems. I can put you in a new situation. You don't have the instincts to know how to deal with it. You don't have it coded in your DNA. How to do it. You have to think. You

have to accumulate evidence, you have to analyze it. You have to come up with solutions. You have to be creative, you have to use your mind. You have to think. You have to be rational. Rationality is what makes us human, and rationality is the one thing that leads to success. I mean, emotions are wonderful. It's great to feel right. I'm an emotional guy. I'm pretty passionately to tell I think right. But emotions are not tools of cognition. Emotions don't give you information about the world out

there? What are emotions? Give you information about the world inside there? Inside here? They tell you about yourself. They don't tell you abou the world. When you get most into trouble, following reason and following emotions. Emotions almost always when you when you get into trouble, where you go. I should have thought about this some more. I shouldn't have followed my emotions. If only I'd remembered this boyfriend is a joke, and I wouldn't have

gone back to right thinking. So what makes us human, what leads to our success is to think. It's to be rational. And if you're rational, you don't like cheat of steel because it doesn't make sense. It's those are all things that altimately corrupt your mind, corrupt your ability to think. Said, to be self interested means to be rational, to be a person of reason. I mean this is Iran. We talked a little bit about Iran. Iran's real contribution to the fight for liberty is to ground it on

a morality of self. And this is life so challenging because it's much easier to convince people of economic principles than it is to change people's view of ethics, view of morality. Your purpose in life is not to sacrifice. Your purposon life is not to suffer. Your purpose in life is not to do for others. Your purpose in life should be your own happiness, your own success. You're want flourishing. I like to say live with a capital L really live. And to do that, you have to think. You have

to use your mind. You have to be rational. You have to guide your life by your mind. And if you do that, if you guide your life by your mind and your rational what kind of relationship do you want to have with other people? Do you want them exploiting you? Now you want to exploit them? No? What kind of relationship do you want to have? What's alternative to me sacrificing to you or you sacrificing to me. What's the kind of relationship? Okay, what's end a win win relationship?

Wait? What you want in life is to maximize win win relationships. You want to trade, trade in material values and trade in spiritual values. You want to benefit one another again in individual relationships, Right if one in a couple, if one of the couple does everything for the other and the other one doesn't do anything back, how long is that gonna last? Now, very long? It has to be win win, It has to be a

trade, so a morality of self interest. There's a morality in which each one of us uses our minds to pursue our values with the goal of success at the living while engaging with other people in win win relationships way. Ultimately everybody benefits from the transaction and the other things sick for it. Yeah, they be sick to do it. Yes, you respect them and they respect

you. It's a it's a mutual thing of wind wind. And of course if people have that sense about their life, they want to be happy, they want to be successful, they want to live by their own mind in pursuit of their own values. Then what kind of political system would they want. They want mother government sitting on their shoulder and say, don't eat that too much sugar, don't start that business. It's wrong. You have to fill out all these forms in order to do anything, like ken try did

we got stopped? Did they point in Peru like you had to fill an ug Everywhere you fill in forms and then you know you don't hear here, go over there, like oh no, I ain't to Bolivia, right, I come into Bolivia a hand the guy that passport, and he says, you need a visa. Nobody told me. Airline didn't tell me. Nobody said I needed visa. One hundred and sixty dollars. Pay over there? What a scam? Right? And you fill in paperwork and they take pictures

and they what for? Leave me alone. A person who values his own mind, values his own life, wants to engage with other people in win win relationship, wants to be left alone. Does not want a cursive government telling what he can and cannot do, how he should shouldn't live. Such a person wants to live free. So if we care about freedom, we need to care about morality. But we need a numerality, a morality of self interest. Thank you,

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