Fixing US Immigration System | Yaron Brook Show

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All Right, today we're going to talk about immigration when I'm going to talk about the current obviously the current challenge with the current or let's say the current storm around regulation H one B. So we'll talk a little bit about that, but that's not going to be the focus. The focus is going to be the entire system. And look, if there's anything that everybody agrees about that everybody agrees about with regard to the immigration system, everybody agrees on

is that it's completely broken. It's been broken for a long long time. It's been broken for probably since nineteen twenty four. It certainly has been broken over the last thirty years. There have been a few attempts that didn't last very long to fix it, but politics in Washington has not allowed any kind of comprehensive rethinking, comprehensive approach to tackling the entire issue of immigration. So I today I am going to give you a blueprint at least

for tackling the entire thing. I want to simplify it all, I want to make it really simple and give a solution to what should be the immigration policy. How do we proceed, how do we make it easy, simple, straight forward, and in a way that well, I mean, some people will never be happy no matter what we do, but in a way that hopefully can address the concerns of all the different constituencies out there. Not the final policy, but my explanation and my justification for it. Hopefully we'll

cover that. So the system is broken today. We know that it is insanity to watch video of hundreds of thousands of people and ultimately millions of people showing up on the Southern Board of the United States just walking across, some of them with the hope of not being caught, and somehow escaping into the United States and living here in the shadows, living here illegally, finding jobs employers who are willing to employ them illegally, with employers taking on

a real risk and the employees taking huge risk. And of course Trump, now I was talking about deporting all these illegals, and there's somewhere between twelve and twenty illegal million illegal immigrants in the United States to day. I mean, that's crazy, that's crazy, and particularly considering the fact that these illegal immigrants are all working. They can't get welfare, so they're all working. So here are twelve million people. You know, some of them are kids on them espouses,

but a significant number of them are working. And yet they have to be in the shadows. They have to hide, and the employers have to hide, and the employers have to be worried about being caught. And you've got this entire gray, black economy going on in the United States of America, the Land of the Free. That's just insane. And then, of course you've got all these people across the border and they immediately go up to the border

police and say, I'm here first asylum. Why are they crossing the border in unmarked, random locations in order to seek asylum. Why isn't there a system by which they can seek asylum wherever they live or on some place outside the United States for the United States to decide? And why why is asylum so special? You know that we've got millions of people seeking asylum? What makes asylum special? Why is it worthy of you know, of entering the

United States versus other things that are not is? And should it be a priority of the United States except people who are asylum seekers, What does the whole issue of asylum have to do with, let's say American self interest? And then uh, the the uh these asylum seekers they come into the United stas States, the court system that people who approve asylum cases can't cope with the shin number of people, so they are put up a taxpayer's expense in all kinds of places. Taxpayers are paying them

not to work. They're not a lot of work, at least for months after they arrive, So they're on the dole of the government for months and months and months or some on them maybe forever, I don't know. And yeah, I mean it makes complete sense that people would resent this and and find this inappropriate. Why these people coming here? What does asylum have to do with me? And why should I pay their way? Why should I pay for them?

And then it turns out that some of these asylum seekers are left in the country even though they have criminal records or being accused of crimes or maybe are gang members. How's the system working? And it's very difficult to get, of course, objective news about this, because the left spins it one way and the right spins it another way, and it's very hard to actually figure out, okay,

actually what's going on? And then if you actually look at legal immigration in the United States, a vast majority of legal status green cards are granted in the United States to family reunification, to family members of people who are already here on work visas and other things. Is that the right priority? Is that? Again, like asylum, is that the best we can do? You know, the parents, and I don't think you go to cousins and stuff, but at least even immediate family. Is this how we

actually want to do it with the majority? Is that? And then if you want to come into the United States legally, legally, and you want to come here not for asylum and not through family, but you actually want to come here because you believe in America. You love America, you value the ideas of America. You want to live in America, and you want to work in America. You want to be productive in America. You want to actually get a job in America. Maybe you even have a

job offer. Well, the system is unbelievably complicated, unbelievably convoluted. I mean, here's a graph. I think you've probably seen this. I know Augustina has shown this. Augustina works at the Institut Sony in the past. You've probably seen it. This is a graphrod uced by Cato of the different paths you would have to take and the different folks in the world you would have to take for any one of these for just baseline requirements. And then you've got

a refugee. There's a silent program, and then diversity a lottery. There's a lottery for countries that don't typically get people into the United States. There is a lot of why why why. A lot of it is that the best we can do, and so is it letting people into the United States is by a lot of we by chance,

by and and and uh. And then there's a ah, you know, family sponsorship, and then there's self sponsorship, and then there's employer sponsorship, uh, you know, and and uh, employee sponsorship with no pervading wage, and employee sponsorship with a prevailing wage. In each one of these. Look at the employee sponsorship ones in the in particular, unbelievably complex, unbelievably bureaucratic, unbelievable amounts of time and money. Money. That's one thing they don't talk about with the H one

B program. It costs a lot of money for companies to hire people from each one into H one B programs. They have to be good otherwise why is the company spending so much money and going through all this convoluted process. And when you see graph like this, you know that the only real winners of anything like that are lawyers.

Complexity is is the friend of lawyers. But you get an unbelievably be convoluted system, a system that actually penalizes people who are coming here to work and to pursue careers. If they get an H one B they're stuck with the same employer. They can't switch employers. So you know, the criticism of them being kind of indigo cerviture civiture in indigerous servitude is an exaggeration and false and wrong. But there's a sudden you know, there's a sudden aspect

of that, that's right. You know, how can how can you not be allowed to switch jobs? And why should you not be allowed to switch jobs? Isn't the point having a job? No, because that's not the point, you know, as we'll see, it's it's it's not about the point. That's not the point at all. And of course, all this legal immigration system is handicapped by restrictions that supposedly amend to protect Americans' jobs and income, not to put any downward pressure on wages, not to reduce the number

of jobs available to Americans. So that adds layers and layers of complexity to all this. If your job is to advertise to Americans, there are one hundred and eighty five I read this some way. I haven't verified this, but one hundred and eighty five different non immigrant and immigrant visa categories, different categories by which you can come into the United States. One hundred and eighty five. I'm going to suggest reducing that number to three, three categories

of visas. That's it, nothing more. And maybe I'm missing some stuff, maybe it lands up to be ten, but three major categories, and then we can talk about maybe there's some things that I've missed. And of course, all of this creates for the immigrant and for the employers, you know, just mass of you know, massive unsuttainty, massive uncertainty. How am I going to get a visa? Will my visa get renewed? Can I switch jobs? What's the cost of that? How much money can I make in America?

How long can I be there can I bring my family over endless, endless complexity, which leads to real angst and real uncertainty, and the consequence of that. Part of the consequence of that is, well, we get to the consequences in the wall. But suddenly think about other people who don't come to America would like to come to America. Say it's just too too complicated, too hard. Why would I? I mean, this is insane. And then you know, so the immigration policy we have today has no clear priorities.

If you look at the numbers, it looks like the only priority we have is family reunification and maybe asylum refugee. But other than that nothing. And by the way, this cylmonar refuge stuff is all part of treaties that the United States is signal to the tool too and has to fulfill that supposedly. Right, So one thing is clear, and I think everybody can agree on. Current policy is insane. It's crazy, it's divisive, it's polarizing. It's and we'll talk

about why it's polarizing in a minute. It feeds into special interest groups, pressure groups, it feeds lawyers, and it is not not good for Americans, and it's not good for immigrants. It's not good for either party both. Everybody is basically frustrated and upset by the system, and they should be. The system is insane, the system is nuts,

and I would say fundamentally, the system is unjust. People who should be able to come to this country and cannot come to this country, and the standards by which we bring them in or people come in and are not coming in seem and are to leguns stand completely arbitrary. They're no priorities, there's no strategy, there's no thinking, there's no prioritization, there's no what is America? What does an American thing to do? What is the thing consistent with

American ideals, with American interests? What is the policy that's consistent with American ideals and American interests look like? So that's what we want to do today. We want to look for an immigration policy that is consistent with the preservation of American ideals and what America is, in particular the ideal of individual rights. A policy it supports and improves the economy and culture of America and that does not create a just a political disaster, does not create

a political disaster. So that is that is the kind of policy that I think we need. It's a kind of policy that you know, I don't know that most Americans or Americans will agree even with that formulation. Certainly nobody's trying to I'm not trying to please the haters of America, and I'm not trying to please you know, those are the let's say call them the radical left. And I'm not trying to please the racists who there's no pleasing and by definition they're already anti America, anti American.

All right, So we have unbelieve irrational policy today. It's it's completely insane again. It's it prioritizes, no priority or poetis is what seemingly is the wrong thing. It's creating havoc and mayhem at the borda Uh. It's creating havoc and mayhem for immigrants who come here legally and don't know what their status really is, and uncertainty and and you know, and the story is unbelievable. I mean, the bureaucracy built around immigration is just unbelievable. I'm sure you've

heard stories. I'll tell you one which I think is funny, sad, and and you know, probably not the worst. This is just an example. This is just an example of stupid bureaucracy at play. Right, this is this is an example, it's a personal example of stupid buocracy play, but it's it's typical of the system. So this is what happens

on a trivial, small, insignificant issue. Then just imagine when what you're really dealing with is your future, your career, your life, in some cases, your life when you're running away from certain regimes. So here's the story. It's a short story, personal. It has to do with me and my wife. So years ago, this is a long long time ago. My kids were I think like two and four or two and five or three and six, something

like that. They were little, and my wife went to do a sculpture a program in France for a few weeks, and she was it was she went and she did the program and she was heading back home, and it was during the time my visa had just been renewed, so I was on I can't remember an L one or an H one B or one of these visa programs. I can't remember which one, and my visa been renewed, but you can know, you know I hadn't I didn't

have my passport stamped within you. I had all the paperwork, but I didn't have the stamp in the passport because you not to get the stamp in the passport. The idea was, I had to leave the United States and come back in, and when you know, when I left the United States, I had to go to consulate and get the stamp. Only then I could come in anyway. So I didn't have the visa renewed in my passport,

but I had the visa all the paperwork officially. So she took all that paperwork and with her passport and she went to the American embassy in Paris and she said, here's all the paperwork, visa has been renewed, and I need to get back home. And the people there said, well you can't. You know why here's all the paperwork the visas being approved. Well, because you know you're not You're not the primary visa holder. Your husband's a primary

visa holder. We can't approve your without approving his without we can't stamp your passport with the visa without stamping his passport with the visa. So he has to come to Paris to get his passport stamped, and then only then can we stamp your passport and you can go home. And she was like, really, he has to come to Paris to do that, and you know, and she's going back and forth and pretty upset, right, I mean, she's stuck in Paris now, got you know, I've got two

small kids. She doesn't know when she's gonna be able to come back. How am I going to leave them and come to Paris? It's expensive to come to Paris those days, didn't have a lot of money. How do you do that? Right? So, so basically she finally gets them to say, no, well, what he really needs to do is he needs to leave the United States in order to get his passport stamped and then send us the passport, and then you bring his passport with you and we can we can get it all done, all right.

I mean, that's some insane I call up. I literally called up the state departments, said, okay, I've been approved to the visa. Is there any state department office I can go to anywhere in the US where I can get this visa stamped in my passport And they were like, no, we don't stamp passports. The only way you can do this is you have to leave the United States, go to consulate and get the pastline. I said, look, I've got small kids. My wife's stuck in Paris, da da

da not interested. They don't care. Go you have to leave the United States, come back in, take the kids, doesn't matter, you know whatever, right, Okay. So I'm like, okay, So I guess I'll have to travel to Mexico and get go to consulate and get my passport stamps. I call up what's the the city across the border from San Diego, that's the closest Mexican place, closest consulate outside the United States. I call them up and they say, hey,

I need to come and get my passport stamped. Can I make an appointment to come because I need to come do it and and leave and and everything. Tijuana, Thank you Tijuana. So so they say, oh, yeah, of course you can do that. We can make you an appointment and you can come. We'll stamp the thing, and then yeah, you can go back to the United States. And said, great, I want to come tomorrow. And so oh no, no, no, you know, we don't have any point, but tomorrow it's going to be three months. I said,

what my wife's in Paris, my kids? What am I? You insane? I can't. I can't delay this with three months. That is crazy. That's the way it is. There's no no exceptions, there's nothing we can do, all right. So I call hua Is and and hua Is. They say, yeah, we don't make appointments. She can come. We might be able to see you, might not be able to see you. There's usually a long line starts early in the morning.

Some people actually sleep over and and and you can and you can try this, but you can come over and uh yeah, yeah, stand in line. Hua Is jua Is opposite Alpaso, right, And I'm like, why is rough? Do I? And how long am I going to be stuck there? We don't know, we can't guarantee anything. We don't make appointments. It's not possible, all right. So Mexico seems out. So I called Vancouver. I mean, notice this, I'm like panicking here, like how am I going to

make this happen? I call Vancouver. I can't remember what Vancouver said. I think you're said away three months or something for an appointment. Couldn't get Vancouver. Finally called Calgary. Calgary, the Consulate said, yeah, sure, well, we can make an appointment for tomorrow morning or the day after whatever, whatever the date was. You can come in and get this stuff done, and yep, you're good. You're good to go, say, got a babysitter, got on a plane, flew to Calgary.

Luckily they let me in Canada. I'm not sure why they let me in Canada, can't remember what the reason was. Got into Canada, spent the night in Calgary. First thing in the morning, went to consulate, had a ointment. They stamped all my forms, buck everything was fine, went and I think I got my passport photocopied and all the films photocopied, put them in an envelope, FedEx them to Paris to my wife. Got on a plane, headed back to California, got my kids, and my wife then took

all of that. I mean, this is and this is like okay, So it took a few days. It was. It was really stressful, bureaucratic, stupid, nutty, crazy stuff. But that's just for something simple way I did being approved and everything. There are real tragedies out there, a real stories,

real disasters. So this system god the only beneficiaries. If you want to call them that are the bureaucrats of the people to thrive on making your life hell by jumping through all kinds of stupid, unnecessary hoops, like at the State Department where they won't stamp your passport in a State Department office in the United States. And that was thirty years ago. It's a lot worse today. Remember,

I'm an immigrant. So when I graduated with PhD. So first, when I graduated in an NBA, nobody really wanted to hire me. I had good grade, good grades, good you know, undergrad good undergrad and engineering undergrad head an NBA. Everybody was like, yeah, we could hire you on if you're an American, we'd hire you like that. But it's expensive to get you authorized and get you a wook permit and all that, and we can hire all these Americans here,

why would we go through that? So it was really I mean, I probably would have found a job ultimately, but it was really really tough and very depressing. I mean there were moments there where I thought, well, I have to go back to Israel. What's gonna happen here? And then I got my PhD and then I finally got a job offer after PhD by university and the

universities have this routine. But so first I had to get a visa for practical training for a year, and then once the practical training was over, they applied for I think it was an either on each one be on l one l one like exceptional ability visa. I think that's what it was. And then I had reknew that once and then I got a green card, and then after five years with the green card, I got citizenship. So I arrived in the US in nineteen eighty seven.

I got my saizenship in two thousand and three. It took me sixteen years, and it was relatively speaking, pretty smooth, but that's unusual and rare. I was lucky, and partially because I had a PhD made life Visia anyway. Rotten system. It's broken, it doesn't make any sense. And one other aspects of this, which I think is really really really important and really at the heart of it all, is that the system is a massive violation of rights. It is the government use of using its course of power

to violate the rights of Americans and non Americans. Certainly, one human right is to move by what by what authority does anybody constrain my ability to live somewhere other than where I want to live? By what authority do I go somewhere else? Can I not travel just because there's an opportuary line. There's a line there that says there's a border. Why can't I cross it? Am I violating somebody's by crossing it? No? Then why does the

government have any any right authority over me? And if you think about the rights of Americans, if I, as an American, want to invite a friend over to visit, he now has to go get a visa. I want to hire a brilliant scientist from Thailand. Why is that the government's job to tell me I can't? You know, I want to rent my hotel room to somebody who's visiting the United States or come here to work, or

come here to find the job. Why is it the government's business to tell me I can't rent to that person. So we have here a system of coercion immigration law, which, at least since nineteen twenty four, really before that, starting with the Chinese Exclusion Act, has been engaged in violating individual rights, violating the rights of Americans to interact, to associate, to employ whomever they want, and that's at the core of it. That's why we have the disaster that we have.

All right, So let's talk about why why do we have this system that we have today? What has caused it? And it didn't start today again, It's started in nineteen twenty four with under Coolidge. So this is why I don't think Coolidge was one of the great presidents. Certainly this law, you know, excludes him from the ranks of top presidents of all time. He did some other things that are good. This is really horrible. In nineteen twenty

four dramatically restricted immigration to the United States. And you have to remember that before that, basically through the nineteenth century and into the early twentieth century again with a few exclusions like the Chinese Exclusion Act and a few others, there were very, very very few restrictions and immigration. Initially,

anybody could come anytime, anywhere, no restrictions. Then there were certain restrictions based on infectious diseases and maybe suspicion of criminal activity, but other than that you could come in Ellis Island. Everybody was free to come in if they

were not sick. And that all changed dramatically for the first time, dramatically in nineteen twenty four, again, although the seeds already been planted in previous in previous laws, and you can find Augustina has a really has a really good she was on the show we talked about this, but also she has some talks that she's given that excellent on the history of the immigration and how we

got to where we are. So I want to talk about a little bit about the things that people say, the reasons why they both object to immigration or they want to restrict immigration in the way that we have restricted immigration. So let's let's talk about some of the opposition to immigration, some of the sources of opposition to immigration,

legal immigration. We're talking about the objection to basically legalized immigration, to letting people come in as it was in the late nine early twentieth century, and of course it was restricted in nineteen twenty four. So so none of these are new.

All of these go back then. All of these are common with you know what people help back then, It's not that different, and it's only gotten worse today in the sense that America is less connected to its funding principles and funding ideas, it's less connected to the idea of individual rights. That's less important to them. But also we know so much more today, and yet they still hold to some pretty false, easily provably false ideas that

still shape their attitudes towards immigration. So what causes people's resentment towards immigration and wanting to restrict it and and ultimately cause this ult incredible complexity And we'll see, we'll talk about that first. I think a big part of it is fear. As we said, we said many times on the show, fear is an incredibly powerful emotion. And people afraid, the afraid of people who look different than themselves, who have different cultures than themselves, who behave in different

ways than themselves. They're afraid of the difference. They're afraid of we'll do to their life. There is a certain there's a certain sense in which people today, you know, are comfortable in the you know, in the way things are, and they don't like change. Their Iron Land has a famous essay about the divine right of stagnation. They're comfortable,

and change is upset. They're afraid because they believe, as we'll talk about, you know, they believe falsely, but they believe, and they be taught and intellectuals have supported the idea that the job market, for example, is the Zoo sum game, and any immigrants who comes in and takes a job, it's at your expense. An American will lose his job. They believe that wealth is a zero sum game, and an American who comes here and succeeds is succeeding at

somebody else's expense. It means somebody else is poor, somebody else has lost. Americans, tragically, sadly, horrifically, have bought into kind of a European Marxist perspective. Even people on the right, even people who claim not to be Marxist or anti Marxist or anti woke, anti left, have bought into an idea of zero some economics, that everything, everybody, somebody else's success is also at your expense, and therefore jobs of

finite and limited and constraint. Wealth is finite, limited and constraint. Now, you know, we'll talk about even if that were true, whether that would justify this, But we'll talk about that in a minute. And then there is this view that even Milton Friedman argued that given that we have a welfare state, all these people are gonna come and they're just gonna they're just gonna leach off of the welfare state.

This is gonna leach massively off of the welfare state, and as a consequence, they are going to, you know, basically bankrupt the country. They're gonna destroy this country because they're gonna be all on welfare and it's just gonna be horrific. And the people who come here are gonna come for welfare and you can't do that. You can't have a welfare state and open immigration or large numbers

of immigrants. And then you know, this is true, I think in the nineteen twenties, and it's true again today they've been told and they feel yeah, and again I think these are all irrational fears that immigrants are criminals,

the terrorists. They rape and plunder and kill and murder, and crime rates are going through the roof because of immigrants, and you know, you know it's irrational fear by the fact that you can show them the data and the statistics and you can show that that's not true, that none of that is happening, and it doesn't matter. That doesn't affect them, data doesn't affect them. One crime committed by an immigrant is enough to justify banning them, and

the same with terrorism. Terrorists are going to come there's a security threat. Now you can imagine there's a real there's a real issue here. They could be criminals coming across the board. It could be gang members coming across the board, and there certainly could be terrorists coming in across the board. So they really is an issue of

terrorism and so on. So fear, fear of irrational economics, fear, you know, maybe there's more rationality here of them just milking the welfare state and you're getting the kind of people that want the welfare state and also bankrupting the country. And fear of a crime and terrorism, and you know, there's some even though the data doesn't support an increase in crime because of immigration. Indeed, there's a decrease in crime on a capita basis due to immigration. Immigrants are

generally significantly less criminal than Americans. But the fear is there, and and certainly all this needs to be addressed. But deeper than that, there is a there's been a change in the American culture. Even if it's true that an immigrant would take your job, even if it's true that immigrants lowered wages, and for some people they might some people might be competed out of jobs. Some people might see their wages declined. You do not have a right to a particular wage. You do not have a right

to a particular job. You have a right to interview for a job and try to get it. You don't even even have a right to be interviewed.

competing with whites for jobs in the North. That was people freaked out because there was competition for their jobs by Americans happened to be of different skin color, but by Americans, and people flipped out. So they think they have a right. This is the entitlement mentality that is so sadly dominant in America today. I'm entitled to my job. I'm entitled to a wage, I'm entitled to my stand of living, I'm entitled to live this life. This is so un American, so un American, and yet you know,

this is this is what Americans hold today. Another fear is that immigrants will fundamentally change our culture. We're pretty good culture today, and immigrants will bring their culture here, an American culture will disappear. But again, is there real understanding of what makes American America? What makes American culture American culture, what the principles on which this country has founded,

and therefore, what is American? I know, you know jd Vance has said that America is not an idea, It's a people. But America is an idea. What makes the people of America special? And I think they're special. And I think America is special. I think it's exceptional, not because of its geography, not because of its people, but because of the ideas that have animated this country, the people in this country, the ideas that have seeped into the sense of life of the people in this country,

the ideas that make America America. And you know, so they worry that the culture will be destroyed. These ideas ultimately will be destroyed. But I would ask why why would you worry about that? If the ideas that America holds, if the culture of America is so good, why won't it dominate the immigrants. Didn't it do that for one hundred and fifty years the beginning of America before nineteen twenty four. Didn't immigrants assimilate? Did they become part of America?

Didn't they adopt fundamentally the ideas of America, business of life of America. I mean, like it or not, This is a country of immigrants. What percentage of the population can trace its roots back to seventeenth century first immigrants to America, even they were immigrants, but first settlers in America very few. So the culture, the achievements, isn't much of American culture really established by immigrants. Think of the

movies that we love. How many of those movies, particularly older movies, how many of those were made by immigrants post World War Two? Many of German and European directors, really pre World War Two came from America and made movies here and really made Hollywood what it is today,

really made Hollywood into the powerhouse that it is. And you know, much of the musicians, the classical musicians certainly, who came to this country and created the great orchestra and the great symphonies, the great conductors, that's all culture. Those are all immigrants. So where is this American culture that is harmed by immigrants? Our food has only gotten better because of immigrants, because of the diversity of food that they brought in, the expertise, the flavors, the spices.

And if anything, don't immigrants revitalize, revitalize kind of the American energy spirit of entrepreneurship, risk taking. I mean, it certainly looks like it. If you look at the number of entrepreneurs or immigrants, if you look at Silicon Valley, how many startup CEOs or startup founders were immigrants. It

certainly seems like they're revitalizing that spirit. And if we want to convey the idea of the greatness of American ideas of what made America great, if those ideas are so powerful, then they would dominate any ideas the immigrants have. We would win the cultural challenge that the immigrants supposedly present to us. Immigrant groups over and over again throughout the last couple of cent assimilate very quickly by every

measure of assimilation. Within a generation or two, they're completely American. Now we'll be told that they will sway politics, that they were bringing the politics of their home country to the United States. And there's a sense in which that is true. They bring the ideas sometimes of the home country, and we better have ideas that can challenge those. We better have ideas that are better. We better be able to articulate those ideas of what is American, what America represents,

in order to assimilate them into us. They're probably the worst immigrants in all of American history. The most damaging immigrants of all in American history are not the illegal immigrants crossing over from Mexico. The worst immigrants in all

of American history are German immigrants. The progressive movement was founded on German immigrants who brought German ideas, destructive German ideas, into America and weren't challenged by Americans, and they won the day, and the consequence of that was still feeling. But immigrants, mostly immigrants come today, don't come with much many ideas. Most of them are not very intellectual, and we will shape them by what ideas we as Americans.

We hold and we'll talk about this, but you can't separate out the need for improved education from the whole immigration question. And then finally, well not finally, but one of the point is look, and we have to face this, particularly given the latest discussions in H one B Visas and El un Musque versus Mega. There is a lot of racism in America. It's worse, maybe than it has been in a very long time. It maybe is not focused anymore on blacks or other people of color within America.

It's not focused on immigrants Indians in the case of the H one B debate. But what that debate showed is extent of xenophobia and racism, and that needs to be abandoned. That is a bad reason to restrict immigration because there are some people who happen to be racist. Now there's one other issue, one of the false rassial if you will, for the mess that we have in

terms of immigration. But I think ultimately it is the reason why we have such a mess, why we cannot find resolution, and why our immigration system is so convoluted and complex and absurd, Why we have one hundred and what or would I say eighty one hundred and eighty five different types of visas. It's because immigration, because the government has stepped into the immigration field and tried to regulate it. It's become like almost any other area in

which the government regulates. It's become a place where they are winners and losers. Become a place where all kinds of so called interest groups, pressure groups, political pressure groups are formed in order to grab a piece whenever causion comes into the equation, zero sum situations are created, and some people want to grab a piece before it's taken away from them. So you get ethnic groups, you know,

lobbying for their particular ethnic groups. You get professions lobbying to restrict people from coming in from their profession if they want, you know, if they're afraid of the competition. You know, they don't want their wages to go down because of the competition. Right, So it's very difficult to bring in doctors to the United States because the American Medical Association doesn't want to compete with foreign doctors. They'll tell you that the reason is that foreign doctors are

not as good as American doctors, but that's nonsense. The real reason is they don't want a flood of doctors coming in competing with them. We have a shortage of doctors in the United States. One of the reasons healthy it costs a high is because doctors can charge you a lot because they're a lot of them supplying demand. So there are professions and ethnic groups, and then there's a whole industry around asylum seekers and refugees, a whole altruistic movement to try to get people of this country

on the basis of how oppressed they are. And then they're tech companies who want tech employees. And there's some tech companies who just want relatively simple, straightforward coders, and they're either not enough of Americans so they don't want to pay them as much. And then there are other tech companies that want superstars, that want the geniuses, that want the extraordinary, and those tech companies are fighting each other for peace of this pie. And then they're the nativists.

They don't want anybody come in and they're fighting over this. And then they woke leftists who just want to flood the country because they believe that by flooding the country with immigrants, they'll destroy whatever's good about America, which they hate. And basically you've got all these pressure groups pulling and pushing, and what you get because of that is the mess, the disaster, the complexity, the just irrationality, the completely irrational

immigration policy that we have today. So it's a complete disaster, it's very very you know, crazy, It's become a just a pressure group, pressure group, you know, mayhem. So that

I think is why we have the policy that we have. Fear, ignorance of economics, ignorance of crime and terrorism, you know, not understanding culture and understanding foundations of culture, and if we're wanting to protect it somehow by keeping those people who are different, who act differently, behave differently, eat different food away from us, and a real sense of entitlement that unfortunately has crept into America, and then at the edge is suddenly elements of racism. Now, what are the

consequences of this? What are the consequences of having an irrational immigration policy? Well, I think the first and big one is that we've abandoned a commitment to liberty, we have abandoned the commitment to individual rights. We've created a course of arbitrary system that violates rights left and right, that denies Americans opportunities to hire, sell, rent, interact with fauners, denies feign as the right to come here and work,

and you know, reinvigorate America. We have thus weakened our culture, and we have created an attitude. Our immigration policy creates the attitude of entitlement, which is unbelievably destructive to American culture. We have a dramatically weaker, less dynamic, stagnant economy. It might be the best economy in the world, and by some issures it is. It's nohing near the potential that we have. We have a lot for few entrepreneurs than

we could otherwise have. A productivity is a lot lower, innovation, ingenuity, progress a lot slower and weaker. More workers, more motivated employees, more motivated, smart, skilled, or unskilled. But entrepreneurial labor would enhance American life. I mean, every economic study shows that immigration raises productivity, raises wages. Now, in a particular sector, wages might go down, but if we're all in economy,

wages go up. Every worker comes to America producers and then consumes the restrictions and immigration of restrictions in the division of labor, the restrictions and specialization they hamper. Therefore, our standard of living, more people to trade with at very low cost. The cheapest trading is done with people around you. The more further away you have to transport goods,

the more expensive they become. One of the reasons why outsourcing as relatively expensive, and it's only done in extraordinary cases where the gap is huge. You know, we'll talk about trade another time. So you know, we're losing out in a high standard of living, and of course we're losing out on the geniuses, on the founders of you know, ready forty four percent of all our unicorn companies billion

dollar valuation or more immigrants. Imagine if we had more immigration, Imagine how many more unicorns would have, how much more great technology we would have, how much more and so our economy would be a lot stronger. But think about also the national security implications of that. A strong economy with much more innovation was superior technology, you know, makes us far stronger militarily than China or Russia or any combination of the above. We would beat them all. Think

also about what we don't get. We don't get a brain drain. Imagine if Chinese engineers, if Chinese scientists could just come to American get a job. There'd be a massive movement of the smartest people in the world to the United States. They'd love to live here. There are millions of them. They would love to live here, and typically they are the most competent, the most ambitious, and often the most entrepreneurial. So we're missing out on the

best people, and a lot of them. I guess could apply for an H one B and then go into a lottery and they're not gonna hass They're not gonna you know, it's too much of a hassle. So we have a lot weaker economy. The economy benefits. The economic benefits of immigration are way understated, even by the most optimistic immigration supporters. Immigration is a huge, unequivocal boon to the economy. It's not this the economy. Immigrants revitalize our culture if we take seriously the idea of a melting

pot that we have. The foundational values are American and we know what they are and we stand up for them. Individualism, don't tread on me. The government that protects our rights and leaves us alone. Then bring your values, bring your ideas, bring your culture to us, Bring your food and your music and whatever. Bring it to us. Why can't we integrate them into our culture? I mean, think about the geniuses of cultural product that we're missing out on that

could be here. And it's not just genuses in science and technology. What about the geniuses of music, in film, directing, in literature and economics, in philosophy, in food, great chefs, in painting, sculpture, whatever. I mean. Think about the people who again in cinema changed the American cinema changed American Think about all the composers who wrote great film music who are immigrants. Think about great thinkers like Einrhand Ludig

von Mises who are immigrants. Culturally, Have they made America better? Yeah? Does Ironrand made America better? Yes? Did Ludig von Mises make America better? Yes? Did Malena Dietrich, the German actress, make American better? Yes? Did Einstein make America better? Yes? Did they make American culture better? Yes? Why wouldn't the same kind of people today make American culture better again today? Why are we afraid of immigration rather than embracing immigration

to make the culture better. So we're missing out on all of that. And then, you know, I'm not a huge fan of looking at demographics, but demographics matter over the very long run, and the reality is that without immigration, America is a shrinking country, an aging, shrinking country. One point seven, I think, is that whatever the number is replacedment, it's two point one, right, children per couple. We're at

one point seven and going down. Even Japan, which has resisted immigration forever, is slowly opening up to immigration because demographically they're shrinking so fast, they're getting old so fast, they cannot survive as a culture unless they let people in. And then, of course the fact that immigration is what it is. The consequence of that is the pressure group politics,

which leads to the polarization. But we have a constant war between pressure groups who wanting to admit or restrict people based on nationality, race, type of worker, student not student, extended family, asylum seeker not asylum seeking. It just goes

on and on and on. There's no end to it. And all this leads to a massive polarization, I mean, and the elevation, the elevation, and you can see it on my chat, the elevation of racist, blatantly racist ideas into the debate, ideas that if not up for the disastrous immigration policies we had would not be tolerated, would not be accepted. And you can see by some of the super chat questions that I'm getting how ignorant and unthinking people are when it comes to this issue, really really narrow an

emotional fear, as I said before, fear. And you know, America has lost its way. Even the defenders of immigration today like Musk and Vivic who tried to defend h one B's do so on utilitarian basis. On it, there's no nobody mentions rights, nobody mentions individual rights, nobody mentions individualism. There's no conception of rights when it comes to this issue. It's a it's a black hole, ideological black hole for

these kind of concepts. And the consequence of that is again a deterioration and erosion in our culture, and erosion in what it means to be an American and erosion in Americanism. And I will plug the book that Jonathan Honing Edit did on Americanism with the lead essay by Einrand on the Nature of Americanism, which everybody should should read.

Everybody should read, and ultimately the state of comment immigration leads to an ever increasing role for government bureaucrats and power and manipulation, and all of this leads to the craziness of what happens in our southern border, which is, you know, freaking people out. It's really crazy. Thousands of people leave their homes all over the world, tens of hundreds of thousands, all over the world, from China to

Pakistan to Arabia to all over South America. They leave their home, They trek for thousands of miles, much of it by foot, through jungles and deserts, to reach a border. They have no idea what's going to happen, and then they cross that border and create mayhem, and then the government subsidizes their housing and their food and it's just one big, massive disaster that makes no sense. And indeed, within this mayhem, there's no the issues of security and criminality.

People legitimately lose track of those because they're not tracking who's coming in and who's coming out. They're no objective standard who to let in, who not to let in, and it's just one big shit you all right, So what do we do about this? What do we do about this? What do we do about this within the context of the current political system, within the context of America as it is today. This is not my ultimate

solution for you know, las ife heaven one day. Also, I would add to whatever we do here, you know directly in immigration, which I'll talk about, it also has to be auxiliary things, or can be auxiliary things that we do. We'll talk about those as well, in both immigration and the economy more broadly. So what do we do? What's the solution when you have to stop by scrapping

the entire immigration system today? And I would include here doing a word in the nineteen twenty four, nineteen ninety, nineteen eighty, whatever, sixty four, nineteen eighties, all of the laws creation of H one b's H and B should be gone. There were travesty. You know people argue about H one bs. Well, one of the great distortions. H and B creates a great distortion that is people are stuck in these jobs. They can't change employees, just scrap

the whole thing. Everything needs to go. You need to start completely fresh, completely with nothing of this legacy, disaster, this legacy that's been created by basically pressure group politics. And include here America needs to leave whatever treaties it has regarding asylum. Asylum is not a standard by which somebody should enter the country. It shouldn't be a standard. The standard should be whatever the standard is. It should

be America's interest, not the suffering of somebody. Something of somebody should not be the qualification. Something politically is somefing economically is treated differently. Why why is that somefing is point important in that suffering? None of that is important. None of that should be accepted. So we should exit every treaty that requires us to accept people based on a side. We should scrap the entire emigration system. It's

start over and basically have three categories for visas. The dominant category, which is a work visa, a tourist visa, which will be would be very limited. I'll talk about when it should be applied most countries even today this citizens enter the United States without a visa right there, if they're visiting, and and that would stay. And then you know student visa, a student visa. So let's think

about how you would do this each type of visa. Basically, I would say that anyone who could show that they can take care of themselves financially through employment or through the wealth that they have, and who does not pose an identifiable criminal or national security threat should be welcome as an immigrant and let's say a five year visa renewable as long as they maintain the status that is of income or wealth. So I'll say this again, anyone,

this is the principle. This is a solution. Anyone who can show that they can take care of self through employmental wealth, and who does not pose an identifiable criminal or national security threat should be welcome as an immigrant on a five year of visa renewable as long as they maintain that status of income or wealth. So first, that takes away the holy issue of welfare. They're making

money or they have money. And by the way, just to make sure of this, we can attach to this bill a provision that says these people are not eligible for any form of welfare until they become citizens, which is kind of weird and bizarre, Like one of the privileges of citizenship is you get to go on the state. But okay, you know, I'd like to get rid of the welfare state first, but we got a welfare state.

Let's just this is within the context of it. So they can have a five year visa renewable as long as they maintain status. And this means that anybody who has a certain level of wealth, and we can decide what that level of wealth is. I don't know, figure it out. Or who has a job offer, a legit job offer from a United States company that is that at a minimum is of a call it a living wage, whatever the hell that is some minimum amount doesn't have to be a lot, but one that would prevent them

from going allow them to live reasonably well. Who passes a criminal and national security screen gets the visa. You could imagine employment agencies setting up shop all over the world, connecting American businesses with potential employees, getting them job offers, having a terminal that connects them to FBI, helping run the national security and criminal screen, and basically having the authority then either to issue a visa or to issue a paperwork that allows the person to get a visa

and come into the United States. So that is step one. Now, these reasons would give a person a right to work, the ability to work. They would not be eligible for citizenship for at least twenty to twenty five years. So you don't have to worry about this flood of immigrants coming in tomorrow and before they have a time to assimilate or any opportunity to assimilate. They're already voting, so not eligibly for citizen for at least twenty twenty five years.

And if you really worried about this, if you're really concerned about citizenship, then I have no real problem with saying they never become citizens. Their kids are citizens, the kids can become citizens, but they never become citizens. If you make it twenty twenty five years, you know they've spent a significant portion of their life in America. If our culture is strong, if we know what we're about, then they will have assimilated by then. And remember, they

have to work. Their visa will not be renewed unless they're working, unless they're producing income or they've accumulated enough wealth. In either case, they've become productive members within American society. What better way to assimilate into America than to work in America than to be part of an economic enterprise in America. I would also have a meaningful citizenship test.

The citizenship test today is stupid. It basically asks a series of multiple choice questions, all from a very delimited number of questions. You just have to pick up a little book memorize the content of the book and you're in. It needs to be a meaningful citizenship test, and not an ideological test. We'll get to ideology in a minute. Not an ideological test, but a test that basically figures out whether you understand the American system of government, you

understand the principles on which America is based. Maybe Americans should take this citizenship test as well before they are allowed to vote. We'll leave that for another show. But they have to be able to articulately say something about the founding of America, something about the separation of powers and the checks and balances, something about individual rights and the meaning of the right to life, liberty in the

pursuit of happiness, something about these things. So meaningful citizenship test. And then, as we said, no eligibility for any form of welfare, you know, at the federal level, at least, I don't know if you can constitutionally ban states and providing welfare to them. But again, they would will quite have a real job, or by the way, you know, income income could be when they renew the visa, could

be from their own venture, from an entrepreneurial adventure. That is, this visa would not restrict them from staying with the particular employer. You don't care who the employer is. You don't care what the source of income is. That is, if they started their own business and now getting income, that's fine. If they've started a YouTube channel and they're

getting income, that's fine. As long as they are producing income that they're living off of that income that are not living off of the state anyway, their visa should be renewed. So, for example, as standard could be, if you're getting welfare from the state, from local or state government, your visa will not be renewed. Sole stay in a local government might be allowed to give them welfare because the federal government can't control that. That would be a

black mark on the renewability of their visa. Now let's talk about the screening. So be a number criteria for screening. One is criminality based on US law. Have you have you participated in a crime, for example, gang membership. You know it's true that you might have been prosecuted for crime and being in jail in another country. So in that sense, you've already you know, uh, you know, serve your time if you will. It doesn't matter for the

purposes of this in order to again be very clear. Yeah, you would exclude people with criminal backgrounds, you would exclude gang membership. I mean, there'd be some gray areas where, particularly in oppressive regimes, where it's not clear if somebody what the reason he was prosecuted for what. But that's what a screening is for. You would screen for all these things, and in some cases, great cases, you would have to dig a little deeper. Right, Terrorism, Are you

a member of a terrorist organization? Have you ever been a member of a terrorist organization? If you're no longer a member of a terrorist organization, how can you prove that you and have now repudiated that organization? So? Are you a physical threat? And the United States has pretty good databases? Are your friends terrorists? Are your neighbors terroists? Are you not neighbors? Maybe? Are your family members terrorists? And really dig particularly if you're coming let's say film

was the country. Is there a real risk that you a spy? And again I don't know what the criteria would be here exactly, but are you a national security threat? If you being affiliated in one way another with the Chinese Communist Party you or with Chinese securities? Have you been a member of a hacking group that tacked American computers.

I mean all of those kind of things. And then I would add to that, do you advocate full Have you advocated full an ideology that is being identified as an explicit with an explicit enemy of the United States that as you can think of during World War Two? Have you advocated for Nazism or Japanese imperialism? And today are you an Islamist? Are you affiliated in any way with Islamism? Do you, you know, express outwardly then mefestations of Islamism? For example, do you acquire your wife to

go completely covered? Given Islamism is the ideology of our enemy today, that would disqualify you from entering the United States. Now we'd have to define it as the enemy. That would require a certain fun policy changes, but not a band on Islam. But a band on Islam is them absolutely, And you know you would have to accept the the you know, as part of your suddenly as a citizen, but even as an immigrant, you would have to accept the rule of law in America, the Constitution and the

rule of law of America. You have to swear to that, do some kind of legal statement that you accept that with everything that that implies. And if that means ten million people come in one million, five million, three hundred thousand, I don't know what the right number is. There's no right number. Whatever the number is, it is and it's based on.

to two twenty five year'clock. You have to work out all the details in terms of family, but family reunification bringing your relatives from all over the world here, particularly your elderly parents or whatever, cannot be a priority and should not be a priority for a system like this. Now, notice no, So okay, So that's the bulk of it. That's most of visas that are relevant for immigrants. Right, citizenship is something that's pushed into the future. It's something

that's a little harder to get. It's something that you have to achieve. Now, what about tourists, Well, I would require only for citizens. Require tourists visa only from citizens of countries where they might be a national security threat, so that you can screen them. By the way, I didn't mention health checks. Yeah, I mean with the criminal and terrorist stuff, you can also do a health check, make sure they don't have tuberculosis, other kinds of infectious diseases.

I think the United States today has a list of all the infectious diseases. You cannot enter the United States

with ebola, I don't know whatever. So real infectious diseases that are deadly, or that are or they're easily transmittable and hard to cure should be excluded, right, You should be able to exclude people from that, and then if they have that, just like they did in the Ellis Island, a tour should be allowed in again unless there's some risk, either because there's an epidemic in a country, a pandemic overseas, and then you want to screen them for health issues,

or they come from a country that might pose a potential national security risk, and then you want to be able to do work criminal or a national security screen on them. Better than that, tour should be allowed in pretty freely. And then finally, student visas. I mean, one of the great crimes in student visas today is that we give out student visas and then we don't allow them to work while they're students, and we don't allow

the spouses to work. This is my case. When I came here on an F one visa, my wife had an F two visa. She was not allowed to work, so we both had to survive somehow. I wasn't allowed to work. I had to work on campus. So I worked on campus, and I worked illegally, right. And you know, let's say you get on consulting job here, consulting job there, you do what you can, right. So student visas should

require screening the same as work visas. They should be an adjusted for income and wealth so that the student can support themselves well study. And they should be zero restrictions on work of students or spouses in the United States, well in the United States, and once a student finishes a study should be able to apply for a work visa and so on. Now, what does that mean for our border, particularly our southern border where we have all

these problems. Well, there would be a few transit points where people can come in with their visas that they've received from the employment agency or from whatever mechanism we create to facilitate these visas, and where the checked are allowed in. Now, anyone who tries to enter in a different location can be therefore rationally assumed to be a criminal or terrorist, because otherwise why would you do it.

Or somebody who wants to come in to benefit from welfare, though not clear how they would ever get it, And I think in those cases it would be legitimate to have instant deportation and exclusion from ever immigrating legally so you can ever come here again, and for ape defenders jail time. I mean, this would basically end the flow, massive flow of illegal immigration over the southern border. People

would just come here legally, but it would be large numbers. Now, I just want to say a few words about some other things that I think need to be done in association with this. We need to, generally, pretty much for everything, liberate our economy as much as we can. We need to get rid of things like minimum wages and required benefits, and make it easy to employ people and make it easy to fire people and hire people, whether local Americans

are foreigners. We need to make employment legal, hiding and firing easy. We need to make starting a business easy, super easy. So we need to make America's economy freer and ultimately over time, it would be great if we started reducing and actually eliminating the welfare state suddenly at the federal level. Ultimately love to see it at the state level as well, but at the federal level eliminating the welfare state. And then in addition to this, we

have to solve the problem of education. And here I wanted one aspect of education that affects both primary you know, high school and college education, and also generally the public debate, an intellectual public debate. We need to stop endorsing multiculturalism. We need to reject the idea that our cultures are equal.

We need to be very clear with people coming to America that they are coming here with expectation that they will adopt our culture, that our culture is better than theirs, that our culture the reason they want to come here is because it's good. The reason they're left theirs is because it's not good. We need to be very explicit

about this. We cannot teach our children at whatever age they are, that we are colonizers and we are evil, and we are bad, and we are horbable, and we have an awful culture and the cultures of these all these other countries is just the same as ours and just as good as ours. That's just not true. And we need to understand why that is individual rights and promote it. And through doing that, by emphasizing our strengths, by emphasizing a virtues, the value that America represents, we

will accelerate a similation. We will say to the immigrants, you've come here, we expect you to follow American law, We expect you to integrate into our culture. We expect you. I mean, I think the whole idea of, you know, letting immigrants use their native language is absurd. We need to integrate them linguistically. They needs to be one official language in the United States, it's English. Big part of assimilation is language, and that needs to be a demand,

an expectation. And by the way, if they come here to work, they will have to speak English. Now, what would be the outcome of this new immigration policy. Well, first of all, we're talking about a lot of additional people coming into this country a new wave of immigration. Immigration today is relatively high, but as a percentage of the existing population, still pretty low as compared to what it was in the late nineteenth century. And think about

the late nineteenth sentty. What a dynamic, invigorating American culture that was. So the solution will revitalize America. It will express America's confidence in itself and in its values, and we focus our energy on individualism, on individual rights, on the rate of individuals to pursue their happiness using their own mind, in pursuit of their own values, free from coersion, free from the pressure groups. It will clarify who is

an American. Ultimately, America is an idea, and we expect these ideas to manifest in virtues, in a character of who Americans are. And Americans are born every day all over the world. People with the kind of character, with the kind of virtues, the kind of values that are cherished in America are born everywhere, and we should be inviting them to come here and re energize and populate America. Filler up. We've got lots of anty empty land. A

culture will be revitalized. Great artists and thinkers and producers and creators and chefs and dancers and all kinds of people will come here who will re energize American culture. They won't come here to be funded by the States. They won't come here to get handouts. They won't come here because of their skin color, or because they're persecuted, or because they're poor miserable. They're coming here because they

want to make something of themselves. They'll come here because they want to live free and because they want to make a living. Think of all the enormous benefits we would get from having more people like that. There are millions, hundreds of millions probably in the world of the eight billion people who qualify as spiritually American. And if they come here, it becomes a bigger, more vibrant, more dynamic, more exciting, more ambitious place. And that's exciting. I know

for some people this is what causes them fear. But if you yourself are American in the sense of ambitious, individualistic thinker, then you relish such a culture. We drain the brains of our enemies, We bring the most productive people in the world here. We make the rest of the world from a perspective of military threat to the United States e relevant. We would be so far ahead of everybody else in terms of the geniuses here, in terms of innovation and technology and science, and in terms

of our military that nobody would come close. Nobody would ever threaten the United States. Under those circum stances, we'd be overwhelmingly the most powerful state in the world. And that's because to large extent, opening up immigration, increasing immigration the way I've explained, would create a dynamic, entrepreneurial economy. We'd see massive economic growth, huge amounts of innovation and productivity increases, a more refined and better division of labor,

which would translate into massively higher standard of living. Trade, more trade, raise the standard of living. The more we trade, the more people we have to trade with, the more people we have who can produce, the richer we are. And we'd have a lot more geniuses. We'd indeed become the magnet of geniuses to come to this country from all over the world. What an exciting place to be.

And you know, the dull, stagnanty parts of America would either shape up, would either become ambitious, become dynamic, or they die. But that's the way it should be. You get what you deserve. You get what you pay for, you get what you work for. We indeed have a smaller,

less powerful, less intrusive government. I mean, just think about the size today of you know, the border security and a ice and all the different agencies responsible for immigration and reviewing and bureaucrats, and all of that is gone. Much less less rights being violated, simple process. Everybody can understand it. Laws generally should be understandable. We would attract the best people in the world, no handouts, no giveaways, and we would take off the table the most contentious

issue that we have today in our politics. Less polarization, less emotional craziness. I mean, the racist will still be racist, but they would be marginalized, and maybe some of them will change their minds once America becomes as dynamic as I know it will, and finally we will have a quieter about almost no illegal immigrants, just everything. The whole temperature of everything about immigration would come down. We get all the benefits of having all these amazing people come

to this country, and this only upside. I don't see any downsides to it. None, zero nunda. If you understand, the economics is not a zero sum, it's additive. Every productive individual adds to my life, makes my life smidgeon better. Millions of productive individuals make my life a lot better.

Billions make even more better. Not only can I benefit from free trade with gazillions of people in all countries all over the world because of free trade, this having them come here, not all of them, but many millions of them is a huge benefit to me because trade with people from far away is more expensive. Some of those regimes over there horrific and I don't want to

support them. And people who come to America become more productive because of technology, because of capital, because of innovation. As soon as they cross the border, doing the same job they did in their own country, they are more productive in America than they were there. We're better organizations, better technology, better infrastructure, and more motivation. That's why they make more money here. So everybody becomes more productive, which makes me richer, makes me richer. So a lot of

the problems in the United States has economic problems. So security, medicare a lot of these issues. If you can create the of economic growth that would be generated from a much more open immigration system, you would benefit in normously.

Now let me be clear, one hundred percent rights respecting government does not issue visus one hundred percent rights respecting government maybe screens for infectious diseases, terrorism and criminality, and that's it doesn't require you to have a job, doesn't require you to to to do X y Z. It just has open voters. And that's the idea we strifle. But this is a big, big, big step in that direction, given where we are today. So it's a step in

the direction of open voters, let them all in. But it's not an ideal because you know, nothing in government today or in our government in the next few decades is going to be ideal. If we can move elements parts of the government towards greater freedom, we'll benefit from it, all benefit from it, all right. So I'm sure you have a lot of questions. There are suddenly issues that I have not covered here. We can talk about them if you ask about them, if you if you come

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Maybe less, we just got yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, probably twenty dollars less. We just got another question. All right, let's see where we are. We'll start with a fifty dollars questions, but only if there were related to immigration. Yes, all right, but this is good. Let's let me move this. Yes, I can see the questions, but perfix and don't have to look away from the screen. Okay, Michael says, I don't see any significant movements for individualism, immigration, maybe a

little deregulatory forces when it comes to energy corporations. For the most part, we're dealing with a low self esteem, angry and ignorant population. You know, I think that's absolutely right. Notice that everything that I said basically assumes that you know the country is ready for this and is willing to embrace this. I don't believe the country is yet ready to embrace my solution for immigration. I wish it was.

I certainly hope that by doing the show, we can bring these ideas to a greater number of people, maybe even get them in front of some of the people who generally don't like the comment immigration system, would like to see it improved, and don't don't know how to approach the issue, maybe some of them in the Republican Party.

So I'm hopeful that one of the things, one of the uses Alex will make of these shows is to try to take the content here and put it in front of influential people who might be able to stitch part of this, parts of this into a new policy and you and new rhetoric. I mean, we got to talk about this, We got to try We got to present alternatives that are practical, that are that are doable, and and and that's the goal of this series. And

I'll do the same thing with healthcare on Saturday. Saturday will doing a similar show on how to fix the healthcare system. We'll do the same thing. We'll analyze the healthcare system in terms of how to fix it. And then I'll also do a show regarding healthcare, how do we get to the situation we're in today that won't be on Saturday and Saturday. It will just be the fixes some future show will do how we got here. So I agree with you, Michael, that it's still a

long way off before America is ready for this. But that's why we need to talk, talk, talk about it. We need a frame, and in terms of individualism we need to frame, and in terms of rights, we need a frame. In terms of liberty, we need a frame, in terms of prosperity and success and dynamism and excitement and ambition and Americanism and the American sense of life

and an American character. And it's the only way we can win is by taking these issues and framing them based on our values, but in a way that's understandable to people, whether they accept or not. Given this debate that we just saw between Elon and megab alone was good and then capitulated, and most of the issues to Mega and Mago was awful, and Mego is hollible driven

by anger, ignorance and evil, anger, ignorance and racism. We've got to have a more benevolent alternative that we can present the world, James, not just with anti immigration hate, but everything is hate. You can watch a YouTube video of a guy falling off a ladder, and one hundred percent of the comments of people are making fun of the guy, wishing he died or was How can we live in such a world. Well, you know, I bet you that most people who saw that video didn't comment

on it. They say, oh, shitty fell at the ladder, and they move on. They feel sorry for the guy, and they move on. So all media today, particularly social media, particularly things like YouTube and Facebook and Twitter and all these other geared towards geared towards the negative, the geared towards encouraging and baiting and reinforcing anger and stupidity and

malevolence and envy. But you can't, you know, if I look at my comments under my videos, if I thought everybody held the views that expressed in those comments, I'd be super depressed and I'd never do another show. But they're not representative. They're the people who are trolling. Who are you know, the nasty comments at least you know, And the same thing with the guy falling off the latter, I mean, who's gonna say oh poor I mean the person who actually think poor guy that's really sad is

not going to stick around and make a comment. This is going to move on. So beware of the algorithm, beware of the tricks of the medium to give you a sense. And all our medium is structured this way of how bad things are, how awful things are, to reinforce the negatives. And it's definitely we live in a world where everything is about reinforcing the negatives, and the news, to social media, to pretty much everything else. And most people in America, if a guy falls off the ladder,

they rush over to try to help him out. But that's not what YouTube brings out of people, sadly. And of course people also hide behind anonymity and are jokes when they're anonymous. They might not be jokes in person, but they're anonymous, they are super jokes. Again, not the standard for life, not the way people actually behave in life,

all right, Jeremy, another fifty dollars, thank you, guys. An issue of finding high tech workers, there has been an influx of woke employees and catering to them, as that is what comes out of colleges where nearly all of new engineers come from, leading to a pushing out of males and all those considered white. Yeah, I mean I think that's right, and that's definitely a problem, and that's hugely frustrating and wrong and evil and bad and so on. And there are solutions for that, and I think the

solutions are coming into focus these days. Some of the solutions are starting companies for the rejects, starting companies that only employ based on skill, and those companies ultimately well compete the world companies. So I think a lot of the frustration with high tech engineers is the frustration of engineers is the fact that there are other things playing into this that have nothing to do with immigrants, that

are distorting the you know, the employment scene. But one of the solutions that there will be competitors that abandon this woke stuff. Work. Employees are not going to be as good, so companies will suffer from employing them, competitors will'll compete with them, and then the better companies will

start shifting. I mean, we saw that, we've seen that already with companies abanding THEI with companies abanding the idea politics at work, and I think slowly shifting away from woke and I think that is happening and I think will accelerate over the next few years. I think that, particularly in tech, there's going to be a dynamic move away from woke hiring. And yes, these engineers come in and they're not that qualified, but they're not going to

be the ones dictating employment practices into the future. And you can see, you know, the rebellion against woke has been widespread. You could see that in the way young people voted, you know, a surprising number of them voting for Trump for no other reason than than not accepting of the Wok stuff. So I think over time, males and white males are going to find I hope, more job opportunities a in companies that reject well completely, any companies that used to embrace woke and are starting to

reject it over time. It's just a competitive disadvantage. But unfortunately, I think it's being used as an excuse to lamb immigrants. Mary Lane says, I know many immigrants Viya toastmasters, especially Indians and Chinese Indians in particular, are eager to embrace US culture. This is anecdotal, but these are wonderful, talented, creative people who I'm fortunate to know. We need more of them. Yeah, I mean, Indians have a huge advantage

the biggest advantage is they speak English. They spoke English in India, they speak English in school. Those are particularly of a particular cast up. Remember that really really poor Indians won't come to America. They can't afford the air fe and the jobs they get here will not pay them enough to justify coming to America. So most immigrants are going to be immigrants that come to America for

better paying jobs. Some will be low skill because there opportunities among low skill, but they will be the one to travel the shortest distances the cheapest cost. But Indians have an in in a English based education system. They speak English. There are many engineering schools, many of them excellent. They come here and they're they're very ambitious. They're the most successful financially immigrant group of all the immigrant groups. Uh. The average Indian is well into the six figures. And

they want to embrace US culture. I think it's because of their familiarity with English culture. Uh, it's less feign unless for the Chinese, where the language is a big deal and the culture is very very different and it takes them a lot longer to figure it out and assimily, but they do. They look at the Asians in California, and how well they have done, or Asians all over America,

and how well they've done Eastern Asians, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese phenomenal. Right, all right, let's look at other, you know, other questions related. James says, the level of consistent negativity, hate, and racism I'm seeing online has to be indicative of some type of pre Nazi formation. Millions of people must be living miserable lives to lash out like this. Millions of people are convinced they living miserable lives, and that makes them

miserable because they convince their miserable lives. But their lives are pretty good actually, And it's hard to tell if it's millions of people. Again, social media is very distorting. I know there's on Twitter, I see all these posts, but how many people posted these posts that I read? Two hundred, five hundred one thousand some millions? Are they really representative? I mean, in poll after poll after poll, most Americans say they want more high skilled labor immigrants.

Seventy plus percent of Americans left and right want more high skilled immigration. So the Steve Bannon and I forget her name, the crazy woman on the right are they representative of how many people, how many people actually constitute maga on this kind of maga, this completely xenophobic, racist maga. Now it's true that you a minority can take over a country, and MAGA could take a this country, and it's what I fear with somebody like JD. Van's And

we'll see. But don't let social media distort your perspective on the country. And that is look at poles, look at look at what average Americans actually think. Luna. Luna is the crazy woman in the way that I'm thinking of. Marjorie Taylor Green, funnily enough, was on Elon Musk side. I guess as long as you exclude Jews with lasers, it's okay to have immigrants. You know, I don't know how Marjorie Taylor Green thinks is too big of a word for her. So I don't think it's thinks, it's

something else. Yeah, yeah, don't God, don't be so negative. Let's see more. We'll get to that, all right. Mari Lean, My great grandfather arrived at the Ellis Island from Italy in nineteen oh five. They were checked to ensure that they were healthy. We have the documents, but that was it. Papa worked as a coal miner in the Pacific Northwest. It was pretty simple. Oh yeah, no, And that's that's

what you want. Ultimately. Ultimately, that's the kind of immigration system, the open borders that I allowed people to come in. Once you check they're not criminals, they're not terrorists, and they have don't have infectious diseases, let them in. Let them in. Chasbat says, French consulate. Have you got a twenty seven B six? Is that from the movie Brazil? I can't remember what movie that is? The twenty seven B six? Thanks Shas Bud Jeff. This is a quote

from a Queen Cordet poem. I guess so come, let's toast the freedom song. And may someday you pass along. It matters not which border crossed to nurse to nurse hands or shoreline lost. You're here, you'll hear at last. Yeah. We should, you know, God, we should be welcoming and embracing and celebrating immigrants, all right, Barbara. Ever since I

started my first business, I have hired immigrants. I have a theory that the reason they are such great employees is that they were enterprising enough to go to the new country. I love seeing them grow. Absolutely. I should have mentioned that we get the best because they know what's demanded of them. They have to work and they have to make a huge effort. That is an expression of their ambition to come here, to come here, which

is a huge achievement. So yes, I think that the ambition necessary to come to America represents their willingness to work hard, and they're more broad ambition regarding life and their careers. James, happy knew you on? Happy you knew you on? I know it's far off, but what would be the vision if the US became such a popular country that we truly utilized all the physical space and resources, something like US as vision of space travel.

United States. They want to live in their countries. They want to live where they grow up. They have a certain sense of place and they don't want to come to the US. And that's fine. I think in a in a survey, I saw a Pew Research survey. They ask people all over the world. They did and they estimate that one hundred and sixty million people in the world today would like to move to the United States. Of eight billion, that's not a lot. I would have

thought the number would be bigger. One hundred and sixty million. It's not a big deal. Now, you know, you don't want one hundred and sixty million are showing up the same date. But you won't have that because one hundred and sixty million people couldn't find a job tomorrow. What would dictate the pace of movement to the United States is the pace at which jobs are created in the

United States. The jobs can be offered in the United States to foreigners by employers who've never met the foreigner, maybe by zoom, to employers who would be taking a risk by hiring a foreigner, and there's some expense in being the foreigner in so the pace is going to be slow, which means millions a year, not hundreds of

millions a year, So no, it's just not real. It wouldn't happen, and kind of market forces take care of it, and maybe all this pressure will pressure other countries to liberalize their economies and liberalize their countries so that they encourage people to stay. Wes, as I've been looking forward to this show. I owe a lot of my current career success to immigrants I worked for and worked with. Thank you, Wes. Appreciate the support and I'm glad that's

the case, and thank you all right, Michael. How close is Alex Davivik and Trump? Will we have a lot? Will he have a lot of influence over the next four years. I don't think he's very close to Trump. I don't know if he's close to Vivic. I think he is. I think he's talk to Vivic and consulting. I think he's consult with Vivic on energy. I don't know how much influence he'll have over the next four years. He's he I think you'll have quite a bit of

influence on energy policy. He might have influence beyond that. He knows a lot of people in a transition team, not Trump necessarily, but a lot of people around Trump who knows I just don't know, and I don't want to speculate, and I don't jinx anything for him. So again, he knows the people in energy, but he knows more than that. He knows a lot of the people involved. And hopefully some of the ideas that we're articulating here on the Ion Book Show will make it into the administration,

partially through Alex. Maybe we'll see James, there are no optimistic, positive people to leave benevolent comments. No, that's just not true. That's just not true. James, James is so pessimistic, he's so down in the world right now. Gotta look at all the benevolence here, not all benevolence. There's some malevolent people here, but look at all I mean, it's it's not true in terms of comments. Most benevolent people just don't leave comments. They just go on. They're living, they're engaged.

It's some people who relish, these stupid people falling off of ladders who leave comments. Else just move on, all right, We're not going to do that. M Yeah, Henry, how you on hope all is well? Thoughts on UK immigration absent, eliminating all welfare? What is the rational policy?

entrenched in the UK and that has to change. That is the idea that there are two sets of laws, one for the Brits and one for immigrants, that we're not going to prosecute immigrants because that's culturally insensitive. They We're not going to go after rape gangs because you know that's the culture. What can we do? We might we don't appear racists. That has to end, no matter, it doesn't matter, and nothing else matters. That is just

sick and wrong and evil and destructive and offensive. And yeah, I mean, so you cannot. It doesn't matter what I say about immigration. It doesn't matter what your immigration policy is if you don't have the rule of law. And

this is true in Sweden, in Germany, and Europe. If if you'peing countries are not willing to enforce the law on immigrants, then the last and it's not that changing their wingrasion policy will change anything, because that attitude of not being willing to enforce the law is such an attitude that it is so destructive it will destroy the country in other aspects of it. So it doesn't matter that has the change that's in Sweden, in Germany, in you know, just enforce the law. If you rape somebody,

full force of the law. If you have a gang rape, put them in jail and throw away the keys. If you beat up your wife, go to jail. You know, if you're involved in rights violating, if you're involved in violence, in particular violence, you have to have the laws enforced against you. Only then can we discuss immigration. So if you can change that then and you can change in the UK in particular the free speech issues. Again, without

free speech, everything else is irrelevant. Who cares about immigration? Then you can have a very similar immigration policy than what articulated for the United States, a robust employment based immigration system that restricts their ability to get welfare. Now they're going to get healthcare stuff, but at least other welfare completely they get zero welfare and that requires them to bude by the law, does not give them citizenship for twenty to twenty five years, so restricts their political

power significantly. And maybe in the case of the UK, they never gets citizenship because of kind of the tricky balance of politics in the UK. Only the children can vote, you know, so you know, you adapt basically the solution I just gave from America to the UK. But first the UK needs to get it to act together. It needs to understand who you are and enforce the laws. And God, the UK should be the best in a free speech and I would say that is true of

the rest of Europe. And then what I said about Islamism is definitely the case with God to UK and Europe where there are millions now of Islamists. If you're an Islamist, you get kicked out. You're gone. The ideology of Islamism has no place in the civilized world. If you are an advocate for ideas that are anonymical, not anymical, that are at war literally at war with the West,

right now, you're gone. You're not there. Put it on a plane and you're shipped to whatever country you came from, and you know, and that includes I think external manifestations of Sharia law, external manifications of Islamism, like the Booker right, Catholic nationalism is not at war with the West. It's not a war with the US fans UK. It's an ideology that's hostile to it. But that's within the scope of free speech. They're not using violence to try to

attain their goal. Islamism is by being a supporter of Islamism, you're supporting the you're supporting the regimes that would take over the Western world and enslaved to Sharia. That cannot be accepted. But then again, the West has to identified the enemy, has to identified the enemy. So Islamists, not all Muslims, not all Muslims at all, not even all religious Muslims, but all Islamists, all those who adhere to that, and there are a lot of them. Let's be clear.

I don't know what percentage of the immigrants of Islamists, but it's not any significant percent. Might not be, not be a majority, but it's not any significant percent. They gotta go. I mean, if you if you know, if you were an active communists, and we would war with communism active communists, participating communists, then yeah, you know there would be consequences. Now, we were never at war with Communism in the same way that we're war with Islamism

right now. So certainly no immigration from the for Islamists. And you have to be very skeptical of immigration from Muslim countries because of that. So you have to be you have to be super super what do you call it, restrictive in terms of immigration Muslim countries. And that was the joke of Trump's restrictions and Muslim immigration, right, but it was okay to come from Saudi Arabia, no special screening for Saudis, even though fifteen of the terrorists and

nine to eleven was Saudis. It was just inconsistent and stupid and into whoever lobbied the hardest. It had nothing to do with actual national security, James. There's no ability to claim try to improve government efficiency without being able to vet immigrants, prevent them from taking public benefits, or address whatever security concerns they claimed. Yeah, I mean they have no ability to claim to try. Yes, yeah, I mean you should be able to do all that. It

shouldn't be that hard. None of that is hard. None of that is hard, Jonathan says, is americanism. Ran mentioned there were no passports needed until World War One. Yes, bef World War One, there were no Nobody used the passport. People just went, They traveled from place to place. Sometimes they needed some kind of personal identification, you know, maybe if there was a state of war or some crisis or something. But most of the time they just traveled

from place to place. Nobody was strict to them, just like you do in Europe today, within the European Union, within the shng GEN, you just drive. You cross borders all the time, and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing. I love the shnghen in Europe, the idea that you can drive from France to Germany and to Austria, to Italy to Romania, to just drive. It's truly amazing. You fly into these countries, it's like domestic flights. That's in

an ideal place. That would be that would be the world, that would be literally their world. There'd be no restrictions. We don't live in that world anymore. Sadly, Sadly, by the way, I mentioned, the American is a book, but this is an Americanism book really really crucial when you're talking about immigration and what is American, what American represents, what is America's American ideas America people? What is all that? You know? Read this book? Jonathan Honing edited it. Was

there a section of immigration here? Yeah? I don't think there was, But I've got an essay here and I think I covered immigration there. I can't remember, but yeah, go to Amazon buy the book, read it. Read it more importantly. Okay, John, I live in Minneapolis and con doing leaving because it's becoming a shithole because of some Alis. Okay, leave? Why is that supposed to bother anybody? You know? When when Irish showed up in Boston, people were horrified, Many

people wanted to leave. People wouldn't employ Irish people. A lot of places, you know, people immigrant people moved there and the locals didn't like them, and they left. So leave Minneapolis. You don't like it. Leave? Who's holding you back in Minneapolis? The fact that immigrants come and they

change something, maybe for the worst in some cases. But remember too, some Alis came there, not on work visas, they came there because of again some kind of humanitarian efforts, some kind of some kind of asylum stuff, some kind of altruistic bs. Would the same Somalis be in Minneapolis if they had to show if they had to get a job before they showed up with the same Somalis be in Minneapolis if the system was the way I

described it, Probably not. Probably not. So you know, the fact that you don't like Somalis and you don't like the ship hole, they've created a leave b that has nothing to do with what I'm proposing, nothing to do with what I'm proposing, Andrews says, preversing rand racism is a crude form of collectivism and individualist racist is a

contradiction in terms yep. By the way, I've heard from other places in Minneapol, Minnesota where some Alis went to work and there's not a big Somali community, but they went to work in more Rule, Minnesota that they're great employees and they do great and they live in the community and they have no problems with them. So it's partially why these particular Somalis are in Minneapolis. And it has to do with family unification, and it has to do with asylum seekers, and it has to do with

all these altruistic reasons. The all immigration. It doesn't have to do with the kind of requirements that I'm suggesting. And another hand, will there be no localized negative implications? Yeah, they will be. You don't have a right for your environment, not the au breathe of the water you drink, not to be turned into shithole by your neighbors. You don't have a right to a job. You don't have a right to a wage. It is what it is, and

if you don't like it, do something about it. One of the things you can do about is move I you know, it's part of life. Uh No, I don't want to answer that. Wait, no, not that I want to answer it later. Okay, John again, Have Muslims in France may made the society better. Many Muslims in Fans have some of their best artists in fans, some of the best musicians in fans, some of the most you know, the best cultural people in the culture and in economy

are Muslims. Many have not for the reasons I've already stated, because the laws and fans have not been enforced. Welfare has been generously provided, the whole neighborhoods are not policed, Islamists are not kept out. But are they Muslims in fans that have contributed immensely to French culture and the French economy. Absolutely, unequivocally. Why would they not? Is it impossible for Muslim to be an incredible employee? Is it impossible for Muslim to be a good novelist or no?

It depends on what it means to say that a Muslim house seriously, they take their religion. It's pure collectivism. It's pure collectivism as fans screwed up its attitude towards immigrants and towards Muslims, Muslim immigrants in particular. Absolutely, but that's what my policy is trying to amend for. And again, Europe is somewhat different animal than the United States. Boba. I love these questions, not Boba's question, these other you know,

John's questions. He always asks these questions. He doesn't really care about my answer. He doesn't care one. I mean, at least he puts money to it, so I appreciate that and I respect that, But he doesn't care about what my answer is. That got your questions, questions to get you the audience to think, oh, Jon doesn't know what he's talking about John just got him Muslims and fans. I got him. That's the only purpose. The purpose is not I'm curious what Jeron thinks about this. He knows

exactly what I think about it. It's just, yeah, they have no productive purpose. But it's five bucks. I'll take it. Boba. Fabulous show tonight. The thought of what the US could be is exciting. Maybe some way, some day it will be maybe, maybe we walk towards that. All right, let's see Mary Eleen. Many people don't want to have to work harder, and above all, they don't think they should have to learn new skills. The divine writer is stagnation. Absolutely,

it's a great esset by Iron Ran. It's absolutely true. And look, they don't have to work harder, but they need they need to accept the consequence of the decisions. They need to accept the consequence of the decisions. Don't work hard it but have low, low income, less wealth, you know, don't learn new skills. That means you'll you'll degrade in the economic status and the quality of your career. Fine, that is, people can do it. It's a it's a as i Ran described it, it's a slow, agonizing death.

They can do it. America is the land of the free. You're free to die, you free to kill yourself, you free to com meet suicide. I said that too. I forget his name, Sullivan, Andrew Sullivan, the conservative Andrew Sullivan. He flipped out. I mean, he completely freaked out, you know, because he wanted what he called, uh, rocking chair conservatives,

front porch conservatives, funch porch conservatives. You know, sit on the go to work, work eight hours, make enough of a living so you can relax on your funch porch, in your rocking chair and just just chill, just chill. That is his ideal. I mean, it's not how he lives, but he sees nothing wrong with people advocating for stagnation. It's sad, is what it is. It's just sad. No says, you don't have a racist bone in your body. I like that about you, Yon, Thank you. That's a real compliment.

I appreciate that. No, let's see ic Saracen. The Ottoman Empire hired Spanish Jews in their administration. Should the Taliban consider hiding Orthodox Jews to help govern Afghanistan? I think the Ottoman Empire was a lot more secular than the Taliban. I think pretty much anybody is more secular than the Taliban, And I don't I don't know what to do with that question. Should the Taliban obviously they won't. All right,

unrelated questions, we have four of them. Oh wait, what are your favorite places to visit in New York City? I'm here for New Years. Wow. I mean, it's it's cold right now. So the first fifth Avenue in the whole Midtown area and and you know, uh, what do you call it? Central Park? The lights? Central Park is beautiful. I haven't been in the winter in a long time, but it's it's beautiful. And if it's snows, it's gorgeous, all white, it's all lit up. That whole area is

lit up. The stores are lit up. That's amazing. So just walking around Manhattan is fun. I like, you know, when I'm there as a tourist, I like, I'd like to go down to the old where the Twin Towers were, and and and the monument there is is is very emotional. Going up to the top of the new tower, what's it called Liberty Tower something like that to see the view is amazing. There's another place that has a great view further uptown. Oh god, I forget the name of

that district. Anyway, there are a lot of areas that are pretty to walk. Okay, so so downtown, you want to go see Wall Street. It's just cool to see Wall Street and to walk around that area to see the Twin Towers or where the Twin Towers were. Take up boat ride if the weather permits around Manhattan at night. It's beautiful to the go to the what do you call it, Statue of Liberty, go up to the Empire State Building. Yeah, Greenwich Village in Soho and nice, a

lot of great restaurants. Yeah. I mean that's that's the start. Thanks se Bubas. I suggest that you that you get onto big venues like Stossel and Bill Maher, you will get one million subscribers. So I won't get one million subscribers. I can guarantee that I wish that would be nice, but I won't be And I'm not going to get on Bill Maher. I don't think Bill Maher has had lots of opportunities to have me on and he's turned

him down. I've been on Stossel many many times. I mean Stosso uses me on his videos all the time. I mean, I encounter recuts of my interviews with Stosso and I used to be on a television show all the time, and so I've done a lot of Stosso. But I am doing his one on one interviews. So he's got a new series of one on one interviews that he launched, and I will be interviewed on January twenty second. I think I'm going to New York and

he'll interview me. I think it's an hour long interview, so it's not like Lex Friedman three four hour interviews. It'll be an hour. But that should be good and that'll give me some subscribers. It won't give me a million, but it'll give me some subscribers, so that'll be good.

But I will be I mean, I've I've had dinner in Stossel's apartment years ago, and yeah, and I think I think it would be it would be I think the interview will be good and I think it will definitely I'll see a jump up and subscriber's just not as large as Babis thinks. Unfortunately, I wish he was right, all right. Action Jackson says, if Israel we're able to I don't know what that says with beepers to kill

Grisbela with beepers. Why should we not worry about China et cetera doing the same thing in people in the US iPhones or other tech well partially because something like the iPhone, Apple controls the supply chain from the beginning to end. It It isn't buying blindly from Chinese companies. Apple is at every stage of production, in every single stage it is, you know, controlling what goes into the iPhone.

How it's built, quality control everything, as do most American companies, even when they produce stuff or buy stuff in China. There are all kinds of quality controls. Now when you buy a purely Chinese product, and a lot of the products we are purely Chinese, you should be worried. I mean, it could explode like the beepers. It probably won't because the Chinese, I don't think interested in going to war

with America. But for example, a lot of you have Wi Fi routers that are made in China, one hundred percent made in China. Most of those probably have gate ways to Chinese intelligence if they wanted to access them and steal all your data. Just so you know, you might want to make sure it's encrypted on your hard drive so that you know whatever. I don't know, but yeah,

you should be worried about stuff made in China. This is why, you know why way it was discovered that the telecommunication equipment was completely available to Chinese intelligence, completely open to them, and that's why they were banned from the United States basically during the Trump administration because it was clearly they were facilitating providing information in Chinese. So yeah, anybody could do it, but they have to have the incentive,

the reason, and the capabilities. One reason to buy name brands like Samsung and Ife and Apple is that they have responsibility over the entire supply chain from beginning to end. Hop up. How does South Korea score on the Economic Freedom indecks? The only good TV shows seem to be coming from South Korea. Squid Games season two is actually pretty creative. I don't know. I mean season one was so bad I can't imagine season two being worth watching.

Let's see, how do they score in economic freedom indecks? I don't actually know. I mean top thirty, top twenty maybe, but certainly top thirty. We can do this South Korea Economic Freedom Index. There are two different ones, two economic freedom indexes. South Korea's Economic freedom INEXES seventy three point one, making its economy the fourteenth so higher than I expected even fist economy in twenty fourteen based on the Heritage Index.

Let's see if there's there's another index put out by CATO. Let's see if we can get that Economic Freedom Index of the world. Korea is thirty second based on that one. So according to Heritage fourteen, based on CATO thirty two. So my guess in the twenty to the thirties were pretty good, so twenties. So they're fear than France even according to CATO, fear in Italy, fear in Mexico. They're not as fi as Taiwan, not as fier as Japan

or Germany according to CATO. But according to Heritage fourteen is way up there, would put them, you know, higher than a lot of countries. I'm not sure what the US. What's the US based on the Heritage one. Oops, it's Uruguay. We know Uruguay. United States use is twenty fifth, so freer than the US according to the Heritage So pretty free relatively speaking, not absolutely speaking. All right, everybody, thank you. I really appreciate all the super chatters, appreciate the support.

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