Catholicism on the Rise? Why? | Yaron Brook Show

So uh yeah, cool that that is all good? All right today in spite of the fact that there's a lot of news out there like National Guards being deployed to Los Angeles. We'll talk about that tomorrow. That's a good that's a good Monday Monday thing for for Your on Book Show. I thought today would take a topic go a little bit in depth in it. A topic that is a recurring theme on the Your On Book Show, but I think I think crucially important and that is

the the the rise in religion. So we'll talk today specifically about Catholicism and the rise in Catholicism, so we'll dig into that. I will not be reacting Jordan Peterson's did You Beileeve? Video? Today just didn't have a chance to prepare for that. I'll try to do that. Maybe next week, Yeah, maybe next weekend. I'll try to do that.

It depends though, because I'll be heavily in prep mode for the for the Peterson Academy of course that I'll be teaching that follow the following week in a week and a half, which is which is which I need to prepare for, which is not? Of course I've taught in many, many years and a lot of new material. And then I've got two more coses with Peterson Academy that I'm preparing, So three courses that are we doing the next six weeks for Jordan for the Peterson Academy,

and then we've got one talk for OCON. So I'm gonna be very much tunnel vision into that. Maybe I'll do something. Maybe I'll try to do some content from those talks as kind of weekend shows rather than doing new content so I don't have to prepare new stuff. So at some point we'll do we'll do the debate between between Peterson and the twenty atheists twenty eighteists, so I did anyway, we will. We will get the news tomorrow.

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whatever amount of money you put behind them. You can support the show with a sticker, as Jonathan Honing just did. Thank you, Jonathan. And all right, well let's just jump in. Let's just jump in and talk about Catholicism. You know, Catholicism, I think, surprisingly surprisingly, not religion surprising, but Catholicism surprisingly Maybe shouldn't be surprising, but it is. And I'll tell you why in a minute why it's surprising. Catholicism really

does seem like it's on the rise. They seemed to be record numbers of baptisms, not record numbers, but increasing numbers of baptism adult baptism in the United States and France and Sweden, in many Western Spain, Western European countries. And so you've you've got increased interest in Catholicism among young people. I mean, I saw this that among young people, Catholicism now is bigger religion than Anglican in the UK.

The UK is seeing a big spike in Catholicism. Catholics set to exceed Anglicans for first time since the Reformation, since King Henry the Eighth, all because of young people, young people. And one thing that is a theme across all of this is when they say young people, what they really mean is young men. So predominantly young men turning towards Catholicism and embracing Catholicism. She's seen that in England. France is a headline a record of adult baptisms in France,

so surge among youth. And again this is the highest number I ever recorded since they started doing a survey I guess of baptisms over thirty twenty years ago. And it's all young people, which is new. It used to be that people adult baptism were typically a little later in life, may be mid life crisis. But this is all like eighteen to twenty four year olds that are

being being baptized. And it's quite striking that. Yeah, they say in the age group eighteen to twenty five, age group composed of students and young professionals, are represent forty two percent of adult whatever it is baptisms, surpassing in twenty six to forty year demographic that used to be the dominant one. This is in France, even adolescent baptisms eleven to seventeen year old teenagers has increased dramatically, increased dramatically over the last year or so. So this is

a new phenomena. So this is we're talking about, you know, these overports coming out April twenty twenty five, so we're

putting on twenty twenty four and so on. Now, generally there seems to be a you know, there's been this long term trend of in the United States, according to the Pew Survey of people who are kind of declaring themselves not affiliated with any major religion or even increased in the number of atheists and increased in the number of certainly non denominational unaffiliated that an affiliated seems to peaked, but down affiliated, it seems to peaked in you know,

I'm looking at the at the numbers here, it looks like a few years ago, twenty twenty two, and since they've gone down, so I think it peaked at like twenty nine thirty percent is down to twenty eight percent. It's not big changes, but down Christianity people self identifying as Christians bottomed out at the same time, is not affiliated. Peaked in twenty twenty two and then and then it's

been going up since then. So the numbers of the number of those identifying as Christian is actually rising slowly. It's not a big rise, it's still small rise. Other religions pretty stables a little bit, increase them five percent, you know, twenty five years ago to seven percent last two years ago, to six percent this year, so somewhere between five to seven percent, pretty much consistently without changing much.

It's really Christians who used to be self identified Christians used to be seventy eight percent of the population and today only sixty three percent of the population. So Christianity overwall is in decline, but in the last few years it's seeing a small increase, just small in aggregate. The numbers are all small. What happened to you among Christians?

The decline is mostly among Protestants, who you know, over fifty percent of American Christians used to consider themselves what do you call anet Protestants I don't even know what any Protestant means. And now it's it's close to forty percent against seeing a slight uptick from when it bottomed

out a few years ago. And then if you look at evangelical Protestants, that's down from to twenty three percent now, mainline Protestants they're way down from eighteen to eleven, Black Protestants, seven to five, Mormons moments from pretty stable at two percent of the population. Orthodox Christians pretty stable at one percent of the population. Catholics we're twenty four went down quite a bit and to I think nineteen, and we're seeing a little increase. So back up to over the

last three years, you're seeing an increase in Catholics. Now, this is big aggregate numbers based on pure surveys, but when you look at actual you know, and if you look at Cathosism around the world, Cathosism around the world still is massive. It's one point four billion people. It increases year after year, primarily because of Africa, where the population is increasing and where there's a lot of Catholics, there's a lot of evangelizing for Catholicism, and where there's

a growing increase, growing increase in number of Catholics. Catholicism represents about seventeen point seven percent of total population of the world are Catholic seventeen point seven and most of the growth in aggregate for the big numbers is in Africa. We're going to ignore that. I want to focus in our discussion on the growth in the West, particularly in Europe and the United States, and kind of what potentially

is driving it. Over the last again, April May, the last couple of months, a bunch of stories about this, you know, in here's some headlines young people are converting to Catholicism in mass I think that's a little exaggerated, driven by pandemic, internet lacks alternatives. Not sure what that is, all right, you know, there's a lot of discussion about religious revival. And then there was this headline why are

so many young adults becoming Catholic? And then the thing that really got me thinking about this and thinking we should do something about it or talk about it is what is it? Four days ago? Earlier this week in the Free Press, this is the headline is how Catholicism got cool? Young Americans and people around the world are flocking to the Catholic Church. Again probably an exaggeration. The Free Press spoke to them to find out why, and

it's an interesting article. Again they're saying, there's a surgeon the number of Espyman Catholics registering to join the church at Easter. This was in April. This is across the country anyway, from Michigan, Nebraska. No. The Dame, so the large attending church attendance this Easter that they've maybe ever

seen or seen it in a very long time. This, as I said, this is true in France, increase in the number of adult baptism this year, in England surgeon in mass participation, but also place like Sweden and other places in Europe where you wouldn't expect it. And add to that, all of these articles, at least some of them are emphasizing the fact that this is primarily a phenomenon that is related to young men. That is, young men are the ones converting to Catholicism. So what's going on?

What is it about Catholicism that people are finding appealing? Why have all the white First of all, are they attracted to religion at all? And then why if they're attracted to religion or they go into Catholicism. Again, the decline in religious affiliation has been seems to be halted.

There seems to be a slight increase in affiliation at least with regard to Christianity since twenty twenty two, maybe since COVID, so since the early part of this decade, and it definitely seems to Christianity seems to be in the UPTIC although again in the aggregate the numbers are still small. But I think it's more important that what's important here is not the aggregate numbers because those could be small, but the trend and the trend, particularly among

young people, because they are cliche. They are the future, right, they are what's coming. And you know, so if you look at gen Z, if you look at millennials, most of this movement now towards Christianity but mostly Catholicism is among gen Z and to some extent millennials. So what

is going on now? It's important to note that this is something that doctor Peacock in a sense predicted would happen and saw it happening in the you know, in the what is it twenty teens, early very early twenty teens, coming out of the financial crisis, I don't know that the numbers were really their statistics, but again, adecdotally, it seemed like Christian Christianity was on the rise, and then

it wasn't. And then you saw all these numbers of Christian affiliation declining, declining, declining, and now it's coming back. And the question is is this it is this Lenapeacock's prediction coming true? I mean, it's hard to tell, but I think if we're going to look at the causes for this, he gives us the causes and I think they are I think they are legit, and I think

that they're coming real. That is, I think whether this is the big conversion of Christianity, whether this is going to be sustainable, whether the numbers are going to be there, I don't know. It's hard to predict the future. But in terms of why this is happening, why this is happening, I think Leonard Peakcoff had it completely right when you wrote the dim hypothesis, what is it now over? I think it was published in twenty thirteen, so you wrote

in twenty ten to twenty twelve something about there. I think it is absolutely right. So let's walk through what that is. I mean, what we've seen over the last ten years is the rise particularly among young people, and this is probably true more millennials than gen Z's of kind of a postmodernist, disintegrated philosophy goal thinking a philosophical system. We've seen the rise of all kinds of you know, woke ideologies. Intersectionality, the intolerance for anything other than a

particular leftist ideology. But a leftist ideology that you know, starts in the premise of you know, reason is not capable of delivering us truths reason. You know, we cannot know the world through reason. Everything, everything we do know is conditional on the particular perspective we happen to have. There is no absolute truth. Everything is your own perspective.

And you know, human relationships and the relationship between human beings all determined by this kind of exploited, exploited hierarchy, and all human being relationships are exploited exploited relationships, and those exploited exploiter somewhat related to your particular group. But since nobody belongs only to one group, since we belong to multiple groups, each individual has in a sense a somewhat different intersectionality score into place. Intersectionality in this exploited, exploited.

What is a matrix? There are no universals, there's no universal truth, concepts like a universal rally, or concepts like individual rights, or any particular system as being good, or any particularly interpretation of history as being right. Just none of that exists, because, in a sense, a kind of a universal truth cannot exist. Everything is from the perspective

of the observer, from the perspective of the individual. And yet the way to reach any kind of truth through this is not through reason, It's through some other means. And of course this is a completely fragmented ideology. It leads people nowhere frustration, It leads people towards, I think, being alienated from the people around them. Because if all

relationships fundamentally are exploited, exploited, exploits to exploited. In other words, if all relationships are fundamentally zero sum, then you know what's other people are other people dangerous? Other people might exploit me. If I win, they lose. If I lose, they if they win I lose. I mean, there's always a loser in an equation. That's no fun. So I think I think if people look for the loneliness of pandemic.

A big chunk of it is is this, it's this attitude towards life and towards human relationships and and uh. And then of course all this drives people to be tribal, to look for people who are like them in some dimension that they can find. And then, given that they have abandoned the ability to use reason, uh, they you know, aggregate in in in tribes and and try to figure out or emote together what the what what their truth is going to be. And it's it's just a gobbled

and it's nonsense, and it's uh. It induces fear and and loneliness and yeah, and and and and just disintegration disintegrates the mind. Disintegrated means there's no universal there's no truth, there's no there's nothing to to there's nothing that integrates all the information, all the data, all the knowledge that is out there. There's no principle that integrates that. There's no meaning to anything. This is the crisis of meaning that we see, the crisis of purpose. What's the point,

what's the point? Yeah, existential dread, fear, everything's unreal, fake, it's just not And I think this is what young people feel because this is what they've been kind of taught, explicitly or implicitly. I mean, this is the I mean, what is the message at the end of I don't know, all the all the popular TV shows that young people have been exposed to and have been watching religiously for the last twenty years, What is the what is the

ultimate message of I don't know? What are what are some of those animated shows, the Simpsons and The Fall Guy, and and what's the what's the real cynical one? The one that uh, the Book of Mormon or the guys who wrote the Book of Mormon did and and but but even Breaking Bad and and all the other really popular TV shows? What what? What? What do they get? South Park? Thank you? Southwalk? What do you get out of South Palk? What ultimately is the sense of life?

That the meaning that you get out of these shows is everything's to be laughed at, everything's to be not marked, cynicism and skepticism, and what can you hold on to, well, nothing except cynicism, skepticism, except knocking everything down and smashing everything. And you know, this is the kind of mentality the

leads to to ultimately denihilism. Family Guy was it was that series, original series twenty thirty years ago that started this super cynical uh you know, put putting the really really really dumb people at the center of the universe. Also a family in it. I think in the title that that really you know, Beevis and Bradhead was the first movie that put stupidity at the center. But but it's just this impossibility of values, the impossibility of values

that an importance of value. Married with Children that's the one, Thank you, Andrew. Married with Children was the first one which was unwatchable. I mean literally unwatchable. It was. To call it stupid would be a compliment. It was beneath stupidity.

It was cynical and stupid and just disgusting and complete contrast to the kind of sitcoms of the past, which you know, elevated family and showed it as a positive and smart people, you know, trying to manage the challenges and the often humorous things that are happening within a family. Married with children just just like the negation of all of that, just everything is dumb, stupid, and at the bottom,

everything is meaningless. Everything is meaningless, There is no meaning, And I think that's really you know, this we got a generation that grew up. Oops, I don't know what just happened there. See that'll fix it. You guys still there. I don't know if I lost the internet or something less. Now again, I'm not saying every show is nihilistic. Not

every show was, but a lot of them. I mean, think about making bad fascinating show, interesting show, well done, well produced, beautiful visually I mean well done visually and well acted interesting often, but just about a good guy descending into homicidal madness and destroying everybody in his path, and nobody good standing up to him, nobody good capable of standing up to him, just dissent into the nihilism, all in the name of supposedly survival but not really.

And yet it was hailed, and it was one of the best produced shows ever, amazingly scripted. Everybody watch it. I mean there are almost no heroes. There's no beauty. I mean the I guess what they consider beauty today is in an action movie. The way that blood splatters all over the place is about as beautiful as it gets. So we live in a world, have lived in a world? Do you live in a world in which the philosophy

is a philosophy of disintegration. The philosophy is a philosophy of meaning, of lack of meaning, of the denial of meaning in many way, you know, a denial of self and a denial of the individual. A philosophy that is bound to create existential angst. And when people turn to art, I mean the most popular forms of art, television, and movies, and they get cynicism, skepticism, and nihilism. And if they turn to music, and I know, I'm going to fence

some of you, but tough, what do they get. They get rap with ugly, ugly you know, lyrics again, hates and emotionalism and just ugliness, ugliness. You know, maybe there's some pop music that sounds a little okay, because it wouldn't be pop if it didn't. But there's no meaning there, there's no values there, there's no there's nothing to challenge. There's dull. I mean, the thing about mostly of our popular music is it's dull. And it's the same repeats

over and over again. I mean, when was the last time you had a spiritual experience when listening to pop music? I don't know last time you listened to uh, I don't even know who a pop singer is these days a spiritual experience really moved you? It just doesn't happen. And then if they go to a museum, if they go to a museum, yeah, maybe you watch Taylor Swift. Who's the last spiritual experience you got from Taylor Swift? And if you go to a museum, what do you get?

You get crap? You get meaningless, empty nothingness. You get. I mean, the culmination of our modern culture and modern idea is in modern art museums just splashes of paint, geometric shapes, white and white. I mean, some of it's kind of pretty because it has some aesthetic design, but most of it is just ugly and stupid and meaningless, meaningless in other words, you look at it, and again, where is the experience, where's the spiritual experience of it?

There isn't. So we grow up or gen z and Millenniums have grown up in an environment that is incredibly wealthy. They have all the material stuff that they need and if they have a job they can afford. You know, they are, in spite of everything they're told the other richest generation ever. Given where they are in life, they're making more money, they have more stuff. They have a

higher standard of living than any generation before them. And at any time they turn to things of consciousness, to the mind, to the spirit, what do they get nothing, emptiness, garbage, a slap in the face. And this has got a cause a crisis, a real crisis, not a potent crisis, a real crisis of what does it mean to be a human being? In the case of a lot of young men, what does it mean to be a man?

Young men experience what they think is negative change, or at least change as compared to what they perceive past generations, primarily because women in some respects of dominating them, and they don't know how to hand so. For them, modern society is much more challenging than I think it is in many respects of women. Women went through the biggest change in past generations. This generation is mostly a generation of change from men. And again emptiness, emptiness, emptiness and ugliness.

That's the other thing. Ugliness. They turn around and all they see is ugly. A lot of the architecture is ugly or boring. The music is ugly or boring, the movies, the TV is cynical and cynicism and ugly and boring and you can go on and on and on and on it just in every respect of their lives there's nothing, there's no meaning, and importantly there's no beauty, there's no appeal to the spirit, there's not appeal to to something

beyond the material. And of course somebody like Jordan Peterson tells them that their angst is real, which it is. Jordan is right. Young people are struggling, particularly young men, are struggling, and he tells them to go take responsibility, find values. But you know, he's not specific, particularly specific, other than the stand up straight and make your bad not very specific. It's kind of vague on the details.

And of course, if you watch a bunch of Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube, what do you think YouTubers recommending to you as the next video you should watch? Well, I mean they are they are leading you towards Christianity. I mean, Jordan is doing that in his round about sometimes way. But given that YouTube is feeding you the content, now,

what does Christianity have to offer you? And here, in particular, I think Catholicism stands out because the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism primarily is I think and I'm not a theologian. So this is me is that Catholicism is intellectual. It is a much more grounded in tradition. It has a real grand appreciation of beauty, ceremony, if you will, the spiritual it has. It has a theology, a real thought out I mean completely bsationalistic, but it completely thought out

theology ideas. They have books and books and books. I mean there's no end. They have opinions about everything. It's not just I don't know, standing up in church in some evangelical church and telling you how you should go out and make money and by the way, you should give the preacher, you know, x percent of that money so you can get a jet so you can fly around the world or whatever. It's it's got depth to it, whereas so much of the Protestant evangelicals don't have the depth.

And what do they used in terms of their music in the in the I don't know, masters or ceremonies, whatever you want to call them. There's pop music, there's convention. I mean, everything's very modern. It's very modern, and in its modernity, it's very similar to popular culture. They might politically be different, but it's very similar to popular culture. There's no, it's not. In a sense Partestanism is not some radical it's i mean American style evangelical megachurch Protestantism.

But generally it's just it's just vague. It doesn't have a couesive ideology. Nobody, nobody in a Protestant church in America today. I think it really takes Lutho Calvin that seriously. I mean, I'm sure the exceptions, but again, in the megachurches, it's not giving you anything. So when young people are looking for meaning and they're told by Jordan Peterson the meaning is transcendentdal meaning is outside of them. Meaning is not gonnot be fine in their own lives. Certainly the

life is not their meaning. It has to be outside of them where they're going to go or Cathosism has two thousand plus years of practice at this and given the ugliness and the incoherence and the fragmentation and the disintegration of the world around us, Catholicism provides them with. Now you have to do a lot of evading to to accept us, but it does to provide them with a structure, a clear theology. I mean, the disagreements between Catholics,

but there's there's a theology, clear ideas. It boasts. You know right now, there are a number of these very charismatic priests who are online who you get fed from, from Jordan Peterson to them directly. There's a guy named Mike Schmitz, father Mike Schmiz, who's a charismatic priest on the Bible. In a year frame, you got Bishop Baron of wood on Fire and others, and they talk about

the struggle, particularly of young men. They give them a path, they talk about two thousand years of tradition of fulfilling this path, and they promise them a better life now and a much better life in another world. But there's a path guard rails. They demand standards from them, They expect behavior to change. They demand, if you will, them to change themselves, but to live up to something where

modern culture doesn't expect anything. So I think a lot of guys and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. A lot of guys who attracted maybe by an Andrew Tate or some of the other people in the manosphere who tell them just to be men and so on, but at the end of the day are like, yeah, but that those guys, that's not that's not really good. So they might be attracted to certain talking points of

the manisphere, particularly those that address their angst. They want more, and the Catholic Church is there to provide it, and it's there to provide it in a beautiful package. It's pretty amazing the number of times as I'm reading these news stories and the interviewing people, the number of times people say that they are attracted to Catholicism because of how beautiful it is, because not that it is beautiful,

that it presents beautifully. I mean the amazing cathedrals, the stunning music, and you know they're not adapting rap to the latest evangelical cool thing, the sticking to you know, old masses and requiems and submit martyrs written by great,

truly objectively great composers of the past. The Catholic Church figured out certainly during the Renaissance, but even before that, they figured out that they that art was an important means by which convey their message, that they needed to embrace art and they need to embrace beauty in order to make it interesting for people to come to church, and in order to create and an objective spiritual experience that people could relate to and people could associate with

the church. So if you listen to Bogole sees sad Macha or a mass by Bach, or a mass by Handel, or a requiem by Mozart or requiem by by by Verdie, it's a real spiritual experience, even for somebody who does not believe it, never has really believed in God. It's amazing, it's beautiful, it's stunning. It moves you in a way that literally no pop or wrap or rave or drug can do. It actually moves you. It hooks into your emotions directly. It is sacred, and sacred should not be

a word monopolized by religion. Beauty art, statics have real power, real power. So you're go into a beautiful church, you know, I don't know, the Basilica at at the University of Notre Dame or Simpeter's Cathedral at the Vatican, you know, and if it's in Europe, you're surrounded by beautiful art.

There's a choir singing amazing music. They light the place in a beautiful lighting and they you know, with with effects where they lower the lights in appropriate in appropriate times, right, and you know everybody everybody's together, and there's a certain uniformity of values, uniformity of spirit that goes on. And it's it's I can see it. It's a it's a it's a beautiful experience. And there are values and virtues that you expected to live up to, you expected to

live by. Now. Yeah, I mean you can't ask too many questions about why Mary Lee says I was raised Catholic. The only good part was the music. I mean, there's some good paintings and sculptures too. It's some of those churches, and you're pretty amazing paintings and sculptures actually, But yes, this ceremony, there's a process, and particularly if you as a youth, condition to tribalism, which I think I'm out in. Culture is so eager to condition us towards and to

emotionalism and tribalism. There is a loving, beautiful tribe here, all in sync, all pursuing elevated values, not about you know, exploiting and exploited. It's now about love and about beauty and about pursuing the good. And you know, many of us want a question, what good? You know, I don't want to join a tribe. What's going on here. But if you grew up in a world where you want taught to question, in a world where reason is not

your means of knowledge. If you grew up in a world where belonging to a group was super important and where emotions were super important, but all of that was an associated with ugliness and disintegration and lack of values and anything like that. Someday you're exposed to all of that tribalism and groupthink and emotionalism, but now there also values and beauty and aunt and just just a just a calm and uh, you know, yeah, I can see it. I mean, here's one guy, one professor. You know, this

is how he writes about this. It's kind of interesting how he how he describes this. He says, in a disembodied time, and I think it is a disembodied time. It disembodied, fragmented, disintegrated. Uh, it's a it's a it's a time where people don't understand their place, don't know, don't know what their life is about and what meaning to bring to it and what purpose they have. So he says, in a disembodied time, the church is resolutely concrete.

It's real, right, The splash of holy water, the smear of oil, the pinch of exercising soul, the smell of incense, the quiet voice of absolution in your ear, the gentle slap of confirmation pleas, the candles on your throat, the laying on a grasp of hands, the gentle ache of the knees, a consternation, the weird, withering relic of a saint, and of course the taste of bread and wine that are mysteriously his flesh and blood, suffering embrace and giving

loving meaning. The revolution will not be digitalized. I mean, that's beautifully written, and you can see again the kind of mentality, the kind of person who is going to be drawn to all of that is the kind of person we've been educating, we've been raising for the last thirty to forty years, somebody who's looking for that sensual, physical, and yet spiritual experience and integrated experience, supposedly full of emotion and you know, not to not to not not

not don't think too much, right, don't think too much? So you know, the the Free Pass interviewed this one guy. He says twenty one years old. He likes the fact that Catholicism doesn't shame you for being a man. He believes young men inspired to become Catholic in a similar way that they might join the military. Right. Being Catholic is like joining in the military in some way. It's

a brotherhood among other brothers of Christ. Along with that discipline that I believe is bringing so many young men to Catholicism. I mean it sounds so much like Jodan Peterson, right. Discipline, so bonding, manhood, a tradition of manhood, a tradition of mayor responsibility, a tradition you know, they're no, they're no yet womens right, a tradition of men being men, women being women. And then he said, you know, he went to other churches, and he didn't like any of the

other churches. But when you know, it was like they were like concerts, more like you know, connecting to God, having a spiritual experience. But then Catholicism because of you know, because of its you know, tradition and its intellectual rigor kind of rigor appeal to somebody else says they were going to Catholic tradition, by the music, by the emphasis on contemplation, by the quiet. Uh, and you can go

on and on. It's it's it's fascinating, but clearly these are people looking for something and again conditioned by the culture in which we live to be emotionalist, and Catholicism is very good at this. Again, it's a twenty two hundred years of two thousand plus years of training, right, and the combination is indeed super appealing. It's also now

the the the chosen religion of the elites. So most of people converting to Catholicism right now, particularly in America, are highly educated, and you know they are coming to it also from a perspective of the intellectual traditions of Catholicism. And I think I've told you a big chunk of kind of the New Right. The intellectuals of the New

Right are not just Catholics that converts to Catholicism. And if you look at the integration integralists, integralists of people who believe that we need to integrate Catholic teaching with government, they reject the idea of separation of state and religion. The government's job is to create a good society, and the only way to create a good society is by imposing the moral code of Catholicism on society's members. But you've heard me talk about Patrick Deneen at Notre Dame

or Edrian Vermule at Harvard. This was a Gladden Pappin at University of Dallas, and Edward Walstein and many many others that have embraced this perspective. Maybe some of you know. Another notable person is Shabamari. All of them, all of them, I think all of them are converts once originally Catholics

became Catholics. And of course maybe the most well known of all of them, who's the most well known convert to Catholicism right now on the new right, and who I think is an advocate of integralism, even if you'd doesn't know, even if he doesn't want to say it, that's JD. Events. JdE Events was not a Catholic, raised Evangelical Protestant, became an atheist at some point, and then recently five six, seven years ago, became a convert to Catholicism.

So there's a revived Catholic intellectualism, you know, intellectual class now, you know, appealing to young men with ideas, ideas that are not just theological, but now ideas that relate to politics and how we can implement this in a political context, how you can live your values not just for yourself in your own life, but how you can actually use

these values to shape and change and mold society. And this is a political and cultural movement that is growing and I think will continue to grow in terms of its impact and its power. So why is it surprising because Atlanta Peacoff in the hypothesis when he said he thought Christianity would come back and there would be a revival of Christianity, and it would intensifying power and it would gain political power, but he said it won't be Catholicism.

And why did he say it won't be Catholicism. He said, because he believed that cathosm could not recover from the child abuse, the sexual assaults against children, the pedophilia that the Catholic Church has engaged in, the people in the Catholic Church have engaged in at the Catholic Church, which officially cover it up. So it's truly amazing how people might talk about pedophilia and the evil of it, and how horrific it is and how ugly it is, and

how it shouldn't happen. But it's the fundamental ideas that either attract them or don't attract them. And the reality is right now, the fundamental ideas of Catholicism attracting people. People who are avoiding their lives, people who are looking for purpose and meaning, and people who want beauty, who find the modern world ugly and in many respects it is, and want something that they don't know values, virtues, morality. Look, we all need philosophy. We don't need an explanation for

the world. We don't need to be able to answer questions. We don't need morality, good and evil. Everybody needs it. And I think what has happened, particularly over the last ten years, is the secular world has basically defaulted completely. It has for a long time, but over the last ten years it's become absurd the kind of answers they give as explanations for the world. There is no truth, there is no reality. Just go by whatever emotions. It's

all about sacrificing others to sell for being sacrificed. It's all about exploiting exploited. It's all some game that doesn't sell.

It's sold for a while, but it doesn't sell. There's a backlash against that, and what fills its place, something that has answers to pretty much every question, not very good answers, actually pretty bad answers, hubbable answers, bad answers, and something that provides guidance, not good guidance, but guidance nonetheless better than nothing, and people willing to put aside all the sins of the Church, the history of it, all the evil popes, all the just disasters that the

Catholic Church has led to in all of human history, including the pedophilia, in the name of just getting some kind of integrated, coherent or semi coherent. It's not coherent, it's semi coherent answer to the questions why am I here, what's my purpose in life? How do I live? What's good? What's evil? And a sense of that aesthetic beauty that we talked about, that's spiritual something, And at the end of the day, that's what's lacking in the secular world,

and that's what objectivism brings the secular world. But it's just too small, and it's it's it's just too small to have a real impact. But objectivism provides us with guidance, meaning explanation, values and virtues oriented or originally from reason, discovered by reason and orient it towards happiness, one's own happiness. By the way, the Catholics one of the one of the things the Cathics say, oh, we're for happiness. This is following Thomas Aquinas's reading of Aristotle. We don't define

happiness the way you guys do, but we're for happiness. Well, we're really for happiness and for values and for living a full, complete life. And by the way, as I've said many many times over the years, we are full beauty in full love. There's ever been a philosophy of love. Objectivism is it, and i Ran conveys these ideas through

beauty in her novels. What we need today is a is A A is a you know, vast quantity of romantic art that elevates this world, that presents this world is as Noble presents, an ideal to strive towards, without mysticism, without emotionalism, without rejection of reason, indeed, indeed depending on reason. We need a a you know, a esthetic artistic renaissance. And we need to use art and aesthetics better in

conveying ideas. Again, people are drawn to beauty. Beauty is important, so we need an aesthetic revolution, and we need to be communicating with people about values, about ideals, but virtues about how to live a life, about the purpose of life. We need to pick up on Jordan Peterson's challenge to people to find meaning, but tell them he's sending you to the wrong place to look. He's sending you to the wrong place to seek out that meaning. That purpose

is your life. The meaning is your life. Embrace it, Embrace life, life, big l life. And you know your purpose is going to be living that life to the best of your ability for the achievement of your happiness. And yeah, part of that purpose is having a central purpose of career. But it's also about love, and it is about family, and it is about friendship, and it is about having a successful life in every dimension of that life. It is about beauty. It is about surrounding

yourself with beauty. And we, as objectivist, if we're going to win this, one of the things we need to do is project that we should care about beauty. We should promote beauty, and we should promote reason, but not just but reason, not in a dry, detacted sense. But reason is the means by which we live and thrive and succeed and have great lives. We need to project happiness and success. To project it, you have to attain it first. You have to we have to attain and

project happiness, success and a life well lived. And then we just have to grow. We have to grow. We need more people and uh because the alternative to the craziness of the disintegrated left is not the lie and the falsehood of Catholicism. The alternative is reason, reality and life life. All right, That's part of what I have to say. There's a lot more, but that's part of what I have to say. If you're interested more in kind of my view of how to live life. There's

a playlist of Juan's Rules for Life. Juan's Rules for Life. There's a playlist on this channel. Please seek it out. Go watch those videos. I think you'll enjoy them, But you know, I wish more people would view them. You guys are too many people are too focused on the news instead of what I think is much more important,

and that is the questions of living life. So seek out the those videos, of course, more importantly, seek out Iran Iran's novels and Iinran's philosophical writing that give you the tools, cognitive tools to live this much better life and to avoid both the falsehoods of subjectivism relativism and the falsehoods of you know, religion and mysticism and Christianity. You know, we've got some Catholics here sending me crosses. Pretty funny. All right, let's go to your questions. Let's see,

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ancient enemies looking forward today's show. Yes, I absolutely think that Roman Catholicism is antagonistic to the very, very nature of this country. It is an authoritarian dogma that rejects the basic principles as articulated in the Declaration of Independence. Even if some of the ideas of our natural rights came out of a Catholic tradition tradition, it's a very different, uh interpretation of rights that comes out of that Catholic tradition. Then what is embraced by the founders and what we

understand rights to be today. So so what is this? Uh So? Yeah, Catholicism is stagonistic, and you can see that in the writings of in the writings of the Integralists. It's very clear from the writings of the Integralists they hate the Declaration and they want to undo the Declaration. They reject the idea of individual rights. I mean, for Mule's whole conception of constitutional interpretation is from the perspective of the common good. It's all about the common good.

There is no such thing as individual rights. Individual rights don't matter. Everything needs to be from the perspective of a Catholic interpretation of the common good. So it's a complete rejection of the American political system. That's integralism. That's what we have as a vice president. It's not an accident that JD. Vance said America is not about an idea. It is, but it's not an idea he supports. It's not an idea he believes in. So he needs to

undo that. And for him, America is a place and a people, place and a people that can be imbued with whatever common good set of ideas that they want. But JD. Van's a good friend and support of practically Denan the Dame, and I think a real support of Emule's common good. Constitutionalism really bad stuff. Leam de decme. Pumpkin in the White House just called in the National Guard to call riots in California about hard working immigrants being seized and deported. We're in the early phase of

dystopian authoritarianism. I mean, it's bad what he's doing, but you know, let's not exaggerate. I don't think I don't think we're quite there yet. I will talk about the calling of the National Guard tomorrow on the news show, and willis have mournful what they're actually doing tomorrow for the show, so we'll have another twenty four hours of knowledge about what's going on, so we'll talk about it tomorrow.

U Charzbah says, blessed are the cheesemakers. That, of course, is from the classic classic brilliantly anti Catholic piece called movie called The Life of Brian. If only we had more humor of that quality, the world would be a much bitter place. Mondy Python all r John Bail's a sign of our time. In today's superhero movies, all conflicts between individuals between nations are set up by hand to

hand conflict. Yes, and sometimes, depending on the superhero movie, hand to hand conflict where the good guy is not allowed to kill the bad guy, right, where the good guy is not allowed to kill the bad guy. I just got a text from uh Bat Thompson, who's always quick to correct me when he thinks I'm saying something wrong. He says, quote my SOO says, tell me that Catholicism is no longer hip for young men and women on

the reactionary right. The cutting edge thing is that is rising in popularity for the young on the so called new new right is Eastern Orthodoxy. And he's he's linked to a video describing that. He says, pretty slick and pretty sick. And yes, I mean I didn't talk about that, partially because I don't really know that much about Eastern Orthodoxy, but also because it is on the fringe. It's still on the fringe. The movement of Catholicism is culture wide.

It's again in fans in the UK and in the US, and it's not just the fringe right, but it's more broad. But it is true that on the kind of fringe cool, particularly particularly cool new new, new, new new right, Eastern Eastern Eastern Orthodoxy is it is considered cool. I mean, remember Eastern Orthodoxy kind of survived or flourished under the Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, the Business Empire for

a thousand years after the fall of Rome. So it was it was linked to political power in a way that the Western Church was not right the Western Church because it rose at the same time as wrong declined. There was this ongoing notion of separation of churches state, which doesn't really exist in Eastern Orthodoxy, not in the same way because in the Byzantini Empire, church and state

were united in a in a much stronger form. Eastern Orthodoxy, from what I can tell, is this a more mystical and I think it's being made popular right now by a hero of the new new, new, new new right of the of the far right, and that is Vladimir Putin, and Vladimir Putin's Russia. Uh you know, Eastern Orthodoxy is much more explicitly, particularly again and its Russian interpretation. And there is a difference between Oxodoxy, I think in Greece and and now in Ukraine and in in Russia, but

particularly in its Russian form. It's it's anti uh gay in a way that the Catholic Church has not been, and in a way that the Catholic Churches try to moderate and try to be more hip and cool and more appealing to the left, because it's ultimately based in Europe. The Eastern Orthodox Church has not succumbed to that. So I can see why the Eastern Orthodox Church is is

more appealing. But we'll have to do a separate a separate show on the Eastern Orthodox and we I'll watch this video that Brad said me, uh to try to to try to, you know, get a get a stronger sense of it. But it's it's not good either way. Either way, it's not good. But yes, John, I I agree with you about the superhero I mean, I mean, the superhero movies are stupid, but the hand to hand

combat thing is is pretty ridiculous. Let's the adam the world's most rapidly growing economies of Poland and Macau in the long term and Argentina in the short term, all Catholic. Does this have an impact on the better informed, young and middle aged people around the world. I don't think so. I don't think anybody's really noticing that. You know again that the I mean a lot of the fastest growing economies in the world in Africa right now, and those

all Catholic or mostly Catholic. I don't think any of this is driven by economics. I don't think anybody really cares that much about economics. I don't think it's driven by economics. So I don't think that paying that much attention to it it is. We haven't haven't commented on the latest Polish elections, which I don't think went well.

But you know where a religionist, kind of right wing religionists came into power at least as president doesn't have a huge amount of power, but has enough to kind of put a lot of constraints on the government in Poland. Okay, Brad. Brad wants me to correct what I said early. He says he doesn't always criticize me when he thinks I'm wrong, So that many many times he thinks I'm wrong and he doesn't criticize me. So what those times are We're

gonna leave in suspense. Maybe he can send me, text me a list of all the times that he hasn't criticized me when he thinks I'm wrong. Yeah, I mean, I think it's important. So you don't think that he agrees with me too much because he doesn't criticize me too often. Thank you, Adam Andrew. Our digital tech age has a beauty that's not being romanticized in too much immature goofiness still surrounds the area of Silicon Valley. It's

ready for more romantic treatment. Why do you think that's missing? Well, because I think tech grew up in this in the age of cynicism. It grew up in the age of cynics.

And if you think about one of the big drivers of tech, what's the one big driver of tech over the last forty years since the invention of the of the videotape, it's pawn, you know, so pawn cynicism, ugliness now and the one real romantic in tech, the one real romantic in tech was Steve Jobs, and Jobs unfortunately died way too young and way too early, but he

was a real romantic. He understood beauty, understood the power of esthetics, the power of art, the power of beauty, and he and he spoke that way, and he inspired and he he was a romantic figure. And there's just there's just nothing like that in the in the tech world right now. Much of technology is now used, i mean on a day to day basis for people, it's used to insult and offend and attack on on Twitter, uh,

you know, or or to con people. And there's just there's they don't they don't know how to pivot towards beauty. How do we use this technology to make beautiful things? How do we use this technology to create beautiful relationships, to build beautiful things to how do we emphasize the aesthetics of the tech. How do we think about it in terms of long term versus short term? I think all of that is is lacking, and it's lacking visionaries. It's lacking people in Silicon Valley who know how to

do that. Again, Steve Jobs is the only one who comes to mind, and he's no longer with us and U. I don't see anybody else. And to the extent that even Silicon Valley is missing something feels like it's too maturialistic and they're missing something. They're turning to nationalism. You say that with this with a book by the CEO of Plantea who's it's complete nationalism, that that'll give us meaning a project, a big project for the state, rather

than pursuit of individual happiness, the individual beauty. They can't see, they can't see how to do that. They view it as all tech has just led to a more of a consume economy, materialism, more ugliness. But it is that's a real challenge. I think Andrew's onto something. It's a real challenge. How do we where are the tech leaders who will integrate this new technology into something beautiful. I mean, alone,

Musk could have done it right. I mean SpaceX has a romance toward a beauty to it, a like grand purpose to it that it could truly be inspiring the capacity of the human mind, the capacity of human being to reach out and to go to space and to and to to colonize Mars and all of this, and and it's it's cheapened by his politics. And I think it's even when he talks about it, he doesn't talk

it in as inspiring a sense. He talks about it as the species or whatever, not as an inspiring sense, as an individualistic adventure, which I think it really is. I mean, Zuckerberg has nothing. I mean, what what does Zuckerberg have to offer in terms of great spiritual beauty. There's just nothing there, just nothing there. So I don't know who who is going to lead in that direction.

I don't see anybody. I mean, Boom has that romantic notion, and I think I think they do a good job projecting this what's possible to man in an romantic version. But it has to be a technology that's bigger than that. It has to be a technology that touches everybody to really make a big difference. I mean, Bezos, but he's not doing it. He's not vocal. He's not a leader. He's not I mean, he's a leader of business, but he's not a cultural leader. He's not a cultural voice.

Steve Jobs was a cultural voice, Jennifer. I remember when I was a kid seeing the crucifix up on the wall in the church when I went with a friend, I thought, why do they have this ugly, unhappy looking thing up there? Yeah, well, you're healthy, you know you are healthy, and most people are not. And he died for your sins. You should feel gratitude and appreciation and reverence towards him and is suffering on the leroy. Why do you what do you think about freemasonry. It shares

some of the qualities you've attributed to Catholicism resurgent. It has values and moti music for its ceremonies, but it places more of an emphasis on an individual. Yeah, but it's it's it's still mystical, or at least has mystical elements. It's not a Cooreeran philosophy. It doesn't have virtues and values, not not coherent ones, not separate ones from from Christianity. It's it's too conventional. So it's it's a it's kind

of a social club. It is ultimately what it boils down to, and it's, as far as I can tell, it's died as a real movement, certainly as a real movement of the successful people within society. Then my superchat lab month advertised my pro I ran YouTube channel Dan Morton one helped me get many new subscribers. Thanks Value for Value, Thank you, Dan Moulten Splendor. I think you are being kind when you suggest that tribalism describes those

that practice describes those that practice Catholicism. In my opinion, sheep is a better description. I mean, you have to be careful with that because there's a sense in which it's cheap. There's a question. But it's also like it's it's it's smart people, it's it's well educated people. It's people that are searching and looking for something and finding it falsely there And I and I think, look what motivates people to be sheep. It's tribalism. They're not the

leaders of the flock. They're not the shepherds of the flock. Yeah, they are the sheep of the tribe. I mean, tribalism is cheapness. In a sense. But yeah, I mean we agree.

It's it's irrational, it's emotional, and it's detached from reality, and it's it's it's barbaric in a sense that Catholicism God, if you ever read the history of Catholicism, the evil that they have committed, that just the horrors of it, and and really digested the ideas of it and the fact that it's I mean, one of the things that Catholics. I was just reading up on stuff from Catholics, and one of the problems they have is if the doctrine

was always right, how come it changes right? So you know, if the doctrine around gaze, if that's the word of God, then how can I pope change it now? Or the article I was reading was like, there's a doctrine about usury. Usury is evil, Usury is a mortal sin, and this guy's making argument, yeah, it is, and all the banking and all the finance we have today is all modal sin. And Christian doctrines cannot change. It is fixed in time, and therefore we have to launch an anti usury campaign

from the Catholics. I mean, I didn't know there was still Catholics who believed that. I really didn't. I readoutical today. It's there's a book out about how usury. How there's Scholastics and Aristotle and and everybody else was right about usury. It is a mortal sin. Dante was right to put them in the what seventh roung of Hell or whatever?

Those bankers, those evil financiers, I mean the pop poo said, Okay, I mean it's it's it's so babaric, it's so primitive, it's so anti life and anti reason and anti well, that's that's I'm repeating myself. Anti reason is an anti life. Je I mean, thank you for the sticker. We had some of the stickers. Let's see Jonathan early on, but I thought I saw some more. Yeah, Mike, thank you, Maria Lean, thank you, and uh Olie w thank you. Lucinda. There's Lucinda. And I think that's it. I think we

caught everybody. If I didn't, I apologize. Thanks all the stickers. You too, can help support the show. Show that is funded one hundred percent by listeners like you, By watchers and listeners like you. Please consider making a contribution through a sticker or becoming a monthly supporter on Patreon dot com. All right, oh, SUPERGASKI ask you're reacting to the Jordan Peterson' you believe video, right, the one with twenty frogs. No, not today, h Liam. I heard the big beautiful bill

gets rid of inherit tax. I don't think so. I don't think so. It I think it. It maintains the now higher threshold for where it applies, which was passed in twenty seventeen and was going to be phased out and is now is now they're going to keep it high. So yeah, but I don't think you get rid of it completely, Hoppa Campbell. No one stares harder at their own mediocracy than a narcissist. Yeah, I mean narcis often

not even mediocracy. Is there worse than that? Michael ein Ran said, quote the truth is not for everyone, only those who seek it. Did she mean don't be too needy to convince people of objectivism those morally worthy you

will discover that it's true. No, I don't think. I don't think so, because you know, people, people who seek the truth might be seeking truth and not discovered objectivism, and you can be providing that to them, and you know so how much you invest in them will be a function of whether you think they're seekers or not. So that's true. I think it's a more broad statement. It's well, you can't you can't impose the truth on people. People have to want it, have to seek it, have

to use their mind. It's an active process. It's not passive. You can't just implant it on somebody. They have to be actively engaged in it. I think that's what she's talking about. Natavi, I'll go with him. Is PTSD real giving abuse of people are to each other in today's world, you would think we would see more of it. Yeah, I think PTSD Israel. But it's a consequence of you know, dramatic abuse. It's trauma that is caused by things like war,

or abuse, beating, sexual abuse as a child. It's not caused by somebody yelling at you or somebody impolite or not opening the door for you. It's caused by by you know, real trauma. And that real trauma needs a big sauce. And and and wars is the classic and or extreme violence, and that is still unusual in our world.

We are less violent today as a species, as a people in the world we're less violent today, and then probably at any point in time in human history, we better range better angels of our nature by what's his name, uh, Stephen Pinker. And he's got all the debt to show it. And I talked about murder rates a few shows ago. Murder is dramatically in decline, so we're probably being abuse.

It was less today than ever before. Now there are places around the world where people are suffering PTSD, but it's unlikely that you're going to be suffering PTSD in the United States. John looking forward to listening to this later in the car. A fallen Catholic, A risen Catholic. You're not a fallen Catholic. You've risen above Catholicism. You've done better, Michael. Wasn't Catholicism begin in nineteen thirties Germany ominous? Yeah? I mean, but so I don't know if it was

growing in nineteen thirties Germany. I mean, Germany is a country split between Catholics and Protestants. Indeed, the most brutal, savage warn European history, probably on a per capita basis, was the Thirty Year War, and it was primarily German Catholics and Protestants slaughtering each other for thirty years killing I think. I think it's between the three and half the German population. Michael, are status relying on an ever

expanding tech sect to preserve the parasitic extortion racket. You know, I don't know how aware the status are of this, but yeah, I mean there's a sense in which tech is sustaining ole economy, keeping our economy going so the status can survive, and it's also providing the status with tools for preservation, including the surveillance tools that allow them to thrive as statists pop up. Are you able to have more influence on Milay and his administration or is

he doing a good enough job on his own? I have not me never to have influence on Milaana's administration. Milaine never contacted me, even though he promised to read my book, so he either didn't read it, or read it and wasn't that impressed, or I don't know, but he hasn't contacted me. I haven't been back to Argentina for a variety of reasons, and I haven't had invitations, you know, urgent invitations to come. So I'd like to have more influence, but I need a way in, and

it's not obvious what that way in is. And in the meantime, he's doing a good job by himself, and you know, you have to know a lot about Argentinian politics to be able to improve on what he's doing in terms of just the economic stuff that he's doing. James are the most evil figures in history Catholic intellectuals, Well, I mean it was con to Catholic I don't think so, I don't know, I don't know. They were pretty bad. Yeah, I mean I think Augustine ranks definitely ranks up there

as one of the most evil. And a lot of the fathers of the Church were really really evil. So uh yeah, a lot of them, most I don't know, but a lot. Yeah, Thomas aquinas of course with Cathy intellection, and he was pretty good. Ali, how you on just our gender reminded about review of Right the TI guy. Yes, as I said, Ali, it's going to take me a while.

I apologize, but it just is, you know, realistically we're looking at because I mean the rest you were looking at sometime August, September, October, uh, sometime in that period of time. It won't be before August won't be before August, but it's it's definitely on my list and I've downloaded it. It's ready to read. Richard a reminder of the Catholics promote the abolition of original the abomination of original sin. Yes, they do the abomination original sin. That to logic, Stan

is Augustine's work, right. Augustine was the big original sin guy. But by the way, so the Protestants, at least Protestants who take Lutha. Obviously, Luther was a huge original sin guy and predestination. So Lutherans and Calvinists are even bigger original sin guys uh and even bigger uh uh determinism people because they are Augustinians. There the critique of the Catholic Church was that the Catholicism had moved too far

away from Augustine. But yeah, Protestantism never developed though, because they didn't have a unifying dog man, a unifiing church, and never never developed esthetics of Cathosism. It never understood the role of aesthetics in the way Catholics understood it. James, isn't it crazy You can make more money having your own podcast than you ever could as an elite college professor, the Internet is breaking the university stronghold on the intellect.

It isn't breaking it yet. I'm hoping that it will, but it isn't breaking it yet. Right now, universities are still strong and going. I think it'll slowly be diminished. So breaking is a little hard, certainly diminishing. Michael, would you argue Christianity, particularly Catholicism, is more dangerous than Islam in the West. Yes, yes, I think in the West it's much more likely that people become more and more

Catholic than they become more and more Muslim. Certainly in America, Islam is not a threat to America and in Europe. At the end of the day, I don't think Islam will be a threat to Europe. I think the Europeans will take care of that threat. But by doing so, we'll become authoritarian, that is, will be in a self destructive way. They'll take care of Islam. So yes, I

think Christianity is much more dangerous to the West than Islam. Nick, is there a difference between individual rights and human rights? Not really, No, I don't think so. Now when you understand it, there is not. And if Kant wanted to preserve Christianity. He has succeeded. It appears he has. By the way that I mean human rights is like I'm a PC way, a non individualistic, not emphasizing the individual

way of talking about rights. In that sense, it's usually what I bet people who want who have a leftist interpretation of rights, where you have a right to all kinds of goodies. Individual rights is usually you can only hear individual rights from classical liberals who have a locky and a Lockian interpretation of it. So but there's no different There's no thing called human rights that separate form individualis,

even if people argue for it. Jacob, my parents are doing a three week trip to Portugal in Spain and September. Can I send you that tinery for food and general accommendations? Sure, I don't know how much time I'll have it. I'll try to get you a few recommendations based on where they are. Cook. Did you read Rob Dreha's recent piece for The Free Press title the retical right is coming for your sons? Might be we're talking about on a show. God, I read something else by dre and the Free Press.

I don't think I did that, and I'll have to check it out because that sounds like one of those topics that is good for me. Yeah, he is a piece of work, the guy. Although he's become a little skeptical about Trump, which is good, but he is he is a big fan of Albon's and a big fan of Christianity. And when he says the radical right, he's to loge extent talking about himself. Cook, Also, have you

ever looked into Catholic social thought? When I looked into it years ago, it sounded like Bernie plus Grata plus Richard Wolf with the Bible. Yes, I mean the previous pope was part of that social thought school. Liberation theology, I think it's called. It primarily comes out of Latin America. It's not the dominant view within the church. The Oppean's a little different. And then the Africans are quite conservative. African Catholics are the fastest growing group of Catholics are

quite conservative. But you know, liberation theology is kind of a mixture of car Marks and Jesus, which is not that crazy of a mixture, but it's much more explicit than it would be otherwise. Donna, thank you appreciate the support. All Right, let's see uh Subkaski. Catholics do believe in zero some oppressed oppressed at the ecotomy though, it's why the church is being against capitalism and pro Palestine. Uh Catholics, Yeah, I mean Cathics invented altruism, so I mean altruism and

is in it's in its modern forms. So Catholics definitely believe in altruism. And they invented the idea of oppressed oppressed or they they you know, the woke modern intellectuals just just reinterpreted, stole it from Catholicism. But Catholicism deals with it very definitely right because they don't necessarily resent white men or or you know, to them, it has much more to do with religion and Jesus and your belief system and stuff like that, and then kind of

the identity politics that the left is interpreted as. But yes, there's very much Altruism is the theme within Catholicism. Within Christianity, frank artists move between their spiritual creators and depressed voids. Even in rand doesn't religion perform the business of filling the voids of culture to avoid a culture falling into vice and other excite excite excitements. No, I don't think. So there's nothing about religion. Religion, indeed, is what creates

many of the voids. It doesn't have answers, It doesn't fill the gaps. What you needed to fill the gap is philosophy, is ideas, is a system of thought that explains the world, and the only way to explain the world is to reason. So no, I don't think religion fills the voids. I think creates voids, and it gives you the ill illusion that your void has been filled. But all it's doing is creating a much bigger void that you get sucked into. Because that's what religion is.

It's a void that sucks you into it, a void filled with faith and lacking in reason and facts in reality. Shots about In Superman two, the hero defeated the three equally powerful villains simultaneously with a clever ruse rather than combat. So they are exceptions and he killed them. Oh right, maybe I should watch Superman two. I like when the villains die at the end rather than one of them doesn't kill anybody. I thought Superman didn't kill I thought

that was one of the principles. Joshua says, I actually do enjoy the show in spite of putting up crosses everywhere. Never understand that Frank did idea of kill fifteen paramedics. What really, I don't know what really happened. It's very hard to tell. It's a battlezone. There's a lot of misinformation. But I can almost guarantee that his Israelis didn't knowingly kill, purposefully kill a bunch of paramedics for the sake of killing.

There was reason or an accident or mistake. Mary Aline the Nuns used to tell us that the fact that the Gothic Church has survived all the corruption in its past was proof there was the one true church. That's a flaw. There's a flaw in that reasoning, Yeah, there is. I thought the reason Judaism survived all the Holocausts and discrimination and oppression and slaughter and you know, disasters and anti Semitism and everything else is because it was the

one true religion. I mean, Judaism and Christianity gonna have to have it out. Problem is, they're only like eighteen million Jews and there's one point four billion Catholics. So I'm not sure. If I'm not sure, if there's a fair fight, there be too brawler. Right, I'm attending your lectures for Peterson Academy this month. It's going to be weird listening to you live without the one point five

speed on. I know everybody tells me that when like I sat down with lunch with somebody in London who listens to the show, it says, it's so weird talking to you. It's you're so slow. So yeah, I'll try to speed it up. Not really, yeah, sorry, You'll just have to bear with it. On the other hand, you'll have the amazing You'll you'll be in the presence of the amazing magnetic charisma that I exude when I'm when it's in person and not over video. That mitigates my

my magnetism. How much do you interact with I'll take questions from the audience after lectures. So the way it happens is I give the lecture with very little interaction with the audience just because of the way they've got the structured. So you basically deliver content. Then they cut and there's a Q and A and they'll pass around a mic and you'll ask a questions and a mic and I'll do that for as long as they are questions, and I don't know how many people are going to

be there. Usually it's pretty small, maybe ten people, maybe less. I don't know how many people show up. Hopefully they'll be a good size attendance. But I'll answer questions, and then once the questions, you take a break. And the three of these sessions on two of the days, and two of these sessions on the third day. In between, I interact a little bit, but I rest a little bit too, and then but you know, at the end

of the day, more time to interact. So I'm happy to interact with the audience after the lecture beyond the Q and A, just as long as I do need a rest between, because each one of these is pretty intense. And you go an hour, you do Q and A, you rest for half an hour, you go another hour, you do Q and A, you rest for a little bit lunch stuff, and then you do another You know, it's I used to be able to go like eight hours of lecturing without blinking. Yeah, I'm not that young

guy anymore. Now I need my rest. So I'll try to interact as much as possible with you guys, And I appreciate you being there, really, I do it'll make the class much better having a live audience. But the interaction will be there will be some maybe less than what you want. I don't know. I mean there might be a lot. We'll see. Roberts says, right, you are out on the bike fifteen point seven mile so fart, still a few miles from home. Tell Amy, I'm still

alive and we will go live at six pm. Great show, Amy, Robert's still alive and you're going live with him at six pm. So get ready. It's like an hour from now, all right, fank says, I am impressed by The Godless Girl CB The Mills, nineteen twenty eight film about a girl who runs a school atheist club. It's in Wikipedia. Iron Rand not in it. I don't know what that means that it's in Wikipedia. I've never heard of that movie. That would be interesting to see. If I can find

it and watch it, that would be interesting. Fankoso says, I like a Catholic sect based on Pallagius's ideas. It believes in free will. Also, more Protestants in sixteen In sixteen hundreds killed accused witches than Catholics did. Yeah, Protestantism isn't the more emotionalist religion uh, less dogma, less pretense of reason, no scholastics, much more based on feelings reason,

and less theological, less spending time in theology. So yeah, they're more likely to burn witches than the Catholics because the Catholics had an inquisition. So the inquisition was pretty brutal. Even if they didn't burn riches, they burned Jews, they burn heretics, they burned lots of other people. Catholicism has a very very very very very dark past, very dark past. I yeah, all right, guys, and that very very very

dark future and a pretty dark present. But the past particularly dark because they had power, and when they have power, they do horrible things. Matthew just came in with the question have you seen equalize A three? Seems like car realized he had become broken and is slipping into vigilanteism. I have not seen equalizer three. Oh wait, wait a stone Equalizer three? Was that the one in Italy where he he he he goes after the mafia guys in Italy? Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, I mean I thought it

was the weaker. I mean, I like even all the equalizes because I like, I like uh the actor god. Uh. But and I like, I like the basic vigilante, you know, den I like Denzel. I think Denzel's amazing and uh, I like uh, I like action movies. But Equalizer three was way too violent, particularly the opening sequence. There was no reason for that violence. The previous ones were not as violent, and I thought were badter Uh it also,

did you know digress into this? You know, vigilante is for the sake of vigilanteism, and yeah, versus I think the first two were much more values driven, positive values driven. But look, I still like Equalizer because I like revenge, and because I like bad Guy's dying, and because I like Denzel Washington. Oh, he's so much better than Bonnson. Charles Bonson was not a good actor. Drenzel Washington is a great actor doing the kind of roles Charles Bonnson did,

but as a great actor. So there's so much better. All right, guys, I hope you enjoyed the show. If somebody wants to do a stickle for footy, bucks will make our goal. But otherwise, and in any case, we will call it a date and I will see you all tomorrow for a news show. We'll definitely cover the National Guard in California. There's a lot of other stuff going on in the world that we will cover. And yeah,

this week will be a week full of shows. And you know, until I go to to Arizona in a week and a half, we're going to be doing shows, all right, Everybody see tomorrow. I have a great, great, great rest of your weekend.