#624 - Fewer Jobs for Fresh Grads in SG & Flying With a Corpse for 4 Hours

00:00:00:00 - 00:00:01:14 00:00:01:14 - 00:00:21:16 Unknown What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Yalla, your thrice weekly podcast where we talk about the hottest news with a touch of what turns good old, good old humor, man. So what's new, Terrance? What's new? What's new? I don't know, woke up with, a lot of good news this morning, right? 00:00:21:18 - 00:00:45:23 Unknown Yeah, I quite, quite, pleasantly surprised and pleasantly surprised indeed. Because, I mean, last night at 9 p.m. on Tuesday, 25th February, the ticket sales went live for our next live show. And, by this morning, they were sold out. Yeah. Sold out, man. Yeah, we sure did. So yeah. And part of me was thinking, oh, shit, do we do enough to let people know? 00:00:45:23 - 00:01:01:14 Unknown Because I realized last week we said a few times that the sales are going to be going live this week, but it was only, I think, on Monday when we said it's going to go live on Tuesday. Yeah. And people are thinking, yeah, well, messaging on Instagram asking me, you know, when did the kids go this way, where's the link? 00:01:01:19 - 00:01:21:04 Unknown And we just made a little slow replying because you like the one. Oh well we're down one person in our team. So yeah, a lot to catch up on. Yeah. But yeah, we still replied. And yeah, I also didn't expect that many people to be able to step up. But it's all good. Yeah, yeah. I mean I expected them to LA, so so good on you guys. 00:01:21:06 - 00:01:41:12 Unknown I mean, it's always a nice feeling to know that, I mean, it's been two months since our last show. But. Yeah. Sold out. So, so it's going to be exciting. Yeah. Yeah, man. But, so, I mean, I think, like, we, we are thinking about putting in a waitlist function so that people who don't get tickets this time around can be notified earlier. 00:01:41:14 - 00:02:00:21 Unknown For our next show. We don't have that functionality in place on the website yet, but probably will, because I think last time were also some people were asking, do we have a waitlist for like, no, no, sorry. It's just, the nature of the piece. Right? It's just really small. Yeah. So, I mean, most people snap up, the more and more likely than not they will come, you know? 00:02:00:23 - 00:02:20:01 Unknown Yeah, there's. I can't really expand it more and more seats or anything. So there really is that limit the space like, that's why we've been talking about it for a while. And then just like we dropped it at 9 p.m. so that people could buy after what? Right? Yeah. Exactly. Halfway. And we know what. Yeah, yeah. But if people are working the night shift and you give us. 00:02:20:01 - 00:02:36:09 Unknown If there is you my work shift and come on, man, come on, we can make everyone happy. But, Yeah. So yeah, I see, I mean, we, we at some point in future, we need to do a bigger venue. We see. See how see a bigger venue. Yeah. I mean, you mentioned joint meeting. Yeah. About this. 00:02:36:11 - 00:02:57:04 Unknown Yeah, yeah. What surprised you about the, about this was the last time we had the election. I mean, I think, like, like one thing we've mentioned before was like, the demographic of, listeners, that, you know, there was a one quantum physics, quantum computing PhD student. And yeah, it was like, oh, shit. 00:02:57:06 - 00:03:16:00 Unknown I mean, I bet everyone else in the room also felt like, smart. Yeah. In the sense that, yeah, you know, like, the the, the demographic of of the nerds. I think what surprised me was the number of, I mean, cable ratio was all, I was expecting it to be skew more towards, like, you know, guys angry. 00:03:16:00 - 00:03:37:09 Unknown Angry young men, that's all. That's. A lot of people came with this, set a date night for to come and watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's nice to know that we're bringing couples together closer and not driving them further. You never know, right? You never know that we need to conduct a survey after that. 00:03:37:09 - 00:03:45:16 Unknown But but yeah I mean like, should be, should be interesting. And I mean this, this is going to be slightly different because the December show was, you know, Christmastime. 00:03:45:16 - 00:04:04:06 Unknown It was festive. And obviously it holidays now is going to be in the thick of things. We are going to be talking about news from that week like we always do. Probably won't have our laptops on stage, right? So y'all, get an intimate look into how we do things, much less. Yeah, it'll be more like a regular episode of yellow. 00:04:04:08 - 00:04:25:22 Unknown Yeah. As opposed to the whole company recap installer that. No, man, no, man. Think of things. But. Yeah, but but but from. Yeah. How else households has the week turned up man. But I mean it's okay just, we I guess we'll miss just the the, Man. Yeah. They also have been talking about how they miss just the. 00:04:25:24 - 00:04:42:12 Unknown Yeah. Just enough, but they didn't realize that he's not that. Yeah. Because the uploads have been a bit, a bit little, you know, those have been okay. I think that was okay. No. Like when I post on Reddit, the posting on Reddit is always like a get on. Oh, shit. I have a post on Reddit. You calling me on it? 00:04:42:12 - 00:05:04:16 Unknown No, not Terrance. Don't be. So this going to be so defensive, but it consumes you. Yeah, it consumes you. I mean, since the Ministry of Funny Days, I forgot how much editing this, hands on experience. To really just concentrate for hours at a time. Just working on it and nothing else. But you just do make videos. 00:05:04:19 - 00:05:23:02 Unknown Edit. Okay, I use the app. I use the I like the. That's why you say that. That's what you build. Please. That's what some, I mean, sometimes people we speak to who maybe don't understand the process that much. Yeah. It's work. So we'll be back next week. Which will be which will be great. 00:05:23:04 - 00:05:41:18 Unknown But yeah, apart from that, I mean, I guess we can dive in. But before that. Yeah. If you are new here, please like, share and subscribe. This really helps us out, you know, helps the podcast get discovered on all the different platforms. And, if you want to work with us as well, check us out at Ministry of funny.com. 00:05:41:18 - 00:06:05:11 Unknown You can leave us a message there or email us directly at contact of at Ministry of Honeycomb. Cool. Yeah. Oh, but this topic is, you know, I mean, you know, it. We talk about being one down in our team, and it makes a big difference. All right. But yeah, you know, at the same time, the Fresh Prince, facing a bit of, dilemma in the job, right. 00:06:05:13 - 00:06:40:08 Unknown And what is this, what is this concerning statistic? It is that compared to the two years prior, 2022 and 2023, in 2024, there were fewer graduates who found work six months after leaving university. On the flip side, the median salary of fresh graduates, increased by 4%. So this was, survey, done in the 2024 joint Autonomous Universities Graduate Employment Survey, which was released on February 24th. 00:06:40:10 - 00:07:09:09 Unknown I think the acronym is Jaggies. Yeah. However you pronounce it, and it just, talked about the results of polling 12,500 fresh graduates across the major, tertiary institutions. Right. Be before the big four, SMU and you and us and some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And finally, there's subsets or or subsets or shit. 00:07:09:11 - 00:07:42:24 Unknown So big five, the big five. And I mean, they each have put out their own statements, about graduates from their university particularly, but, yeah, generally some numbers that, I mean, not the most encouragingly, for example, even if you look at the total number of people employed, right, or a proportion of graduates, in the labor force who, employed, in 2022 was 93.8, in 2023 was 89.6%, and 2024 is 87.1%. 00:07:42:24 - 00:08:11:20 Unknown And this covers full time permanent employment, freelancing, part time, temporary employment, voluntary or involuntary employment. I mean, what's involuntary full time, but, you know, choice. But. Oh, also, someone call you hook me, you know, involuntary contract or temporary? Okay. Okay. But on the flip side, the median gross monthly salary for full time permanent employment. 00:08:11:20 - 00:08:47:00 Unknown So this is not Part-Time. Not temporary, not freelancing. Has gone up from, 4200 in 20 22 to 4320 23 to 4520 24. So those are the high level stats. But, what made you want to talk about this? I think because it's interesting that, the headlines are talking about, median salaries, starting salaries rising, when actually the bigger, the bigger problem is the fact that I would get, a few regrets on finding jobs. 00:08:47:02 - 00:09:07:10 Unknown I feel like that's a lot more concerning than the fact that median salary is rising. Right. I think inflation also has been rising a lot in the last. Yeah, yeah. So the median salary rising is not this. If you're gonna suggest it to me as the fact that if you went through a great. Sounds like a job like this is from and this is across the 22, 2324. 00:09:07:14 - 00:09:33:18 Unknown Right. So it's quite concerning statistics. It points to, you know, the age old question like is what is the degree worth in Singapore? The people, the people, the people, I mean, the the interesting thing in this, obviously, is that you can look at the there's also a difference between, occupations like very clearly, certain occupations have higher rates of employment and much higher starting salaries. 00:09:33:20 - 00:09:57:12 Unknown So I don't know, are we I mean, is the result of this is that we're going to push people towards those particular fields or are we still encouraging, you know, Singaporeans or young Singaporeans to follow your passions? And, you know, Singapore especially, possibly. Well, because that's a big part of, Lawrence Wong spiel right there. You know, we need to redefine what success looks like. 00:09:57:14 - 00:10:19:19 Unknown And, you know, the, the, forward Singapore, the social compact and all these, these, these buzzworthy terms that are drawn about. But when you see the title tries to downplay it, I guess some more than others. Like. Right. Yeah. Like the Straits Times, fewer uni graduates in 2024 found full time work comma, but they had higher up colon survey. 00:10:19:21 - 00:10:39:00 Unknown Whereas the see anyone feels a bit more flat factual. Fewer graduates found work six months after leaving university in 2024. Comma median salary rises 4.2%. Collins. Sorry that but would right makes a big difference and it's almost like it. So what what what are you trying to say is always there. You know people always couched like bad news with good news, right? 00:10:39:02 - 00:11:02:17 Unknown They like you know, Darren's, I don't think your, your, you're very nice, but you, you produce good work. Right. Or if you like. Terence, you're not very nice. You produce good work. I've never had that before. I've had to reverse, like. Oh. Very nice. We always shit like that. I don't know, but the. 00:11:02:17 - 00:11:27:16 Unknown But it does imply something, right? It's almost like saying, okay, the first thing is not as bad or not as good as is what it is. That's what I'm saying. Like that. Yeah. Thing is a lot more worrying than than this. All these articles I'm picking up. But the median salaries rose to me is barely even significant compared to the actual statistics of the of people, if you will, grads finding jobs. 00:11:27:18 - 00:11:45:10 Unknown But is it is it in line with what if someone had to put a gun to your head before this survey came on and you had to guess? Do you think the number of graduates finding full time work would have gone down or gone up? Interesting? Yeah. Interesting to think about it because, you look at the 2022 numbers, it's kind of insane, right? 00:11:45:10 - 00:12:12:00 Unknown Like 90 I think the statistics like almost 94% employed. Yeah. Within six months. Yeah. It 20, 22 anything about 2022. That was I mean you're still someone in the midst of Covid that right. But you know, even doing the, the study from home or graduating via zoom and everything, it was still able to find jobs. 00:12:12:02 - 00:12:33:14 Unknown But then I think back to that period, there was also a lot of restriction on travel within that period. All right. So was it that, you know, we you know, it wasn't as easy to go out of Singapore and hire people to work in Singapore. All that. Right. Do not where the borders open again. And you know seeing the again that our graduates are competing with the global talent pool. 00:12:33:16 - 00:12:56:00 Unknown Then suddenly we realize that agile grads not the you know the qualifications are not stacking up compared to the foreigners. A lot more foreigners get hired and you know, they take jobs, you take a lot of jobs that would have gone to your local uni grants in 2020. So yeah there is a bit nuance in, in analyzing the numbers here. 00:12:56:02 - 00:13:19:17 Unknown So was I surprised. I'm worried, I'm worried. Definitely is a downward trend right. Bit worried about the value of a degree in Singapore but worried in what's for the young people or for Singapore. Both. Yeah. Work for you know, young people who have been told that, you know, it's very important to study hard and go to a good school and get a degree in everything. 00:13:19:19 - 00:13:48:12 Unknown But then the reality of life outside of school, you know, it's not as rosy as it used to be. Yeah. Worry about that. That, you know, that mismatch high expectations and also worried about the general trend of it and what it means for Singapore. All of this involved. Yeah. Yeah I think I think that's that's the biggest thing the message because I mean like I think generally yeah, you, you hear especially when, you know, Lawrence Wong speaks and all, it's all about the future. 00:13:48:12 - 00:14:10:05 Unknown You know, the future we're building. And like, I think I did say before that International Day, really there was a bit of optimism. Right? Of course, once you hear, like, the other things, the reality of, of, of the world of geopolitics is like, oh shit, is it bleak or not? But I think it is always important to make sure that the younger generation feels like there is like hope there, you know, and these are numbers. 00:14:10:05 - 00:14:37:03 Unknown Yeah. Like, it's quite a drastic decrease. I mean, from 94% to 87%. That's like a 7% decrease, which is, not insignificant. But I mean, also, I know some people online were saying that, this is probably even underrepresented how bad it is because, I mean, I couldn't find like the any detail info on how the students were were pulled. 00:14:37:05 - 00:15:02:14 Unknown I think some people pointed out online, which is unverified, that is opt in. So I would imagine like so, but yeah, the general number. Yeah. The, the statistics about 75% of students responded that 75% in each school is around 75 percentage 70 to 75%. Yeah, that's only three quarters of it. Exactly. And I mean, there are many, many ways to look at the other 25%. 00:15:02:14 - 00:15:24:17 Unknown Right? Maybe they're too busy for this. Maybe. I mean, if you're unemployed, it's not a best feeling. Right? You get the survey saying, hey, what's your employment status? You can be like, fuck you. You know, it might be under representing, how bad it is. Like, right. Yeah. But then the counter to that is it, but isn't it always the case? 00:15:24:17 - 00:15:43:02 Unknown There will always be people who, not feeling the best or not in the right state of mind to respond to the survey. But it's not just a dicier thing. So relative trends should still hold. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So so I mean, for a while I was like, okay, that's a that's a decent argument. But the difference is I think it goes both ways. 00:15:43:04 - 00:16:05:04 Unknown Even as recent as today, DBS announced that they're going to cut 4000 temporary or part time jobs because of AI. Right? I, I think this year especially has gone nuts. And you hear all this these genetic AI replacing humans I think is is a lot more apparent this year than it is the last few years, even internally to our working. 00:16:05:04 - 00:16:26:08 Unknown Right. We're using more AI now, not so much to create content, but to streamline stuff that previous years. Maybe you could argue a we need to get like an intern this right. But now we don't. So so I think the whole thing about this is, the trends are important. No, I think they are new factors playing, now that yeah, it's gonna make it worse. 00:16:26:10 - 00:16:53:22 Unknown Yeah. I mean the understating thing I think that's very real. Right. It means even the people who opted into reply in this survey, even amongst these people were enthusiastic. The latest survey, they actually there's a larger proportion of them and employ that. So that's, that's a very telling thing. Let's see how the fact that even the median salary that is reported is the median salary of those, under full time employment. 00:16:53:24 - 00:17:15:07 Unknown So maybe yes, it's, it is higher, but it is skewed towards that group of people who were really employed, if you included. I mean, if you included the people who are not employed and everything, I mean, obviously be much, much lower than. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, there are some industries definitely that that will probably be paying more because of inflation, everything. 00:17:15:08 - 00:17:44:02 Unknown You know, what is the usual, finance and all that. But yeah. So it's just quite a worrying trend is going on. And you know, do you think that this will make young people rethink, you know, the plan of getting a very, a very safe, degree in education, everything, all these are even putting aside plans to study what they're actually interested in and really focus on the more I in my school professions. 00:17:44:06 - 00:18:07:15 Unknown Right. Some of which is quite interesting. I think like then that history and law may is in dentistry, dentistry and accountancy like 100%. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like have fluid like learning or something. Yeah. The law obviously pays very well you know, so I implement but yeah there are others there probably like it's good enough right. 00:18:07:17 - 00:18:30:18 Unknown Yeah. So I mean, okay, on the flip side, like as much as I said, I is going to remove jobs and all the one thing that this survey doesn't account for is that, okay, I think globally, and this is a guess, but I would assume this there's probably some truth to it that, there's more and more people being able to build careers on their own, be it as an entrepreneur or just a freelancer. 00:18:30:20 - 00:18:56:17 Unknown Without a degree. Right. I mean, even in this, that the ones that they did increase was the, the freelancing that has increased. And then you see the flip side to having I take away jobs is that it also allows people to do more as an individual. And you are seeing more and more you don't like indie hackers or, or lifestyle businesses set up where people you don't need a big team as long as you can generate revenue in some way. 00:18:56:19 - 00:19:12:14 Unknown I don't know how many of them actually declare their income as well, because if you set a website, you sell a digital product or something, you can be earning income, but you probably won't. You be, you might not fall under even being a part time employee here or something like whether you're a freelancer or not, if you're a business owner. 00:19:12:19 - 00:19:35:14 Unknown Yeah. So so that is also not taken into account in these sort of lab, even though I think that is probably a very small minority. But I think that is also something that that needs to be, how's. Yeah, just having a back of people's minds because I do feel like the necessity for a degree to carve out a career is getting less and less. 00:19:35:16 - 00:19:57:16 Unknown Yeah, yeah. Because, like, what do you see? Right? Like, we opened the global markets, which means even jobs, you can get remote jobs and and you just have a lot more jobs to apply for. It doesn't mean you'll get it, but, Yeah, I think the degree, I don't know, I still think there's worth in a degree, but I don't know about younger fortnight and like, these would probably convince them otherwise. 00:19:57:21 - 00:20:23:13 Unknown Yeah. I mean definitely that if you're interested in one of those Iron Range industries like the industry or, you know, I think you have to go to university. Good. Yeah. When you say, I mean, I was always talking about hawkers and all. Yeah. But I mean, there's also always get business people to become hawkers. Right. And, by the, I mean, like, if you look at the median salary for people in arts and media and all that, it's one of the worst. 00:20:23:18 - 00:20:52:02 Unknown Right? So the, the, the stark reality of, of, of the of the degree that you choose to pursue the stark reality is that, you know, so the degrees, you know, the, the definitely compensate you more. But, yeah, you know, going in light of what Lawrence Wong is trying to push Singapore towards or influencing up on it, we should be it shouldn't be so one dimensional. 00:20:52:04 - 00:21:20:21 Unknown Right. You should pursue, your, your passion versus, like, you know, being able to pay your bills and all that. Yeah. So, yeah, but this got news. This one, this news just worries me because it probably will push young people in some of the directions. Right. And, you know, at the same time, like, trying to gloss over if we, if we try to gloss over the fact that few and few of grants are finding jobs, it's also no good, right? 00:21:20:24 - 00:21:42:01 Unknown Yeah. We're not addressing the core issue that the Singapore workforce is not as attractive to employers as it was a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that could also be, macro reasons. Right? The, you know, the cost of hiring in Singapore. Yeah. And everything. Right. Yeah. You really have to prioritize being a red versus being employees. 00:21:42:03 - 00:22:20:06 Unknown Yeah, exactly. And and I mean, there's also I can imagine one school of thought also thinking that oh but the younger generation, they are so picky, you know, which I mean is something to also think about. I still feel like this. This number is very important. But I think just some other numbers that would be would be good is like, I mean, even the number of jobs, or the number of, people who maybe had a job offer and rejected or you joined a company and left for different reasons, because I also feel as a fresh grad entering the workforce now, the expectations is probably different from, let's say, our time. 00:22:20:12 - 00:22:38:14 Unknown Yeah. You know, there's a lot more focus on, you know, finding something that has purpose, that has, that that checks a lot of boxes. But the one thing that came to my mind was like, okay, let's say this unemployment essentially is like 12% right amongst fresh grads six months after graduating. What is the overall unemployment for Singapore? 00:22:38:14 - 00:23:05:16 Unknown And I mean, just the median website. Overall unemployment rate for 2024 is 2% for resident unemployment rate was 2.8%, for citizen unemployment rate was 2.9%. So I mean, I think globally that's pretty damn good. But the worrying thing is like, okay, this 12 month number, after six months, that's quite a lot like 12 months. You know, I think as a country on an unemployment rate of 12% is like recession, really. 00:23:05:18 - 00:23:37:02 Unknown Right. So so I think, yeah, it's a number that needs to be dissected. Because, I mean, even a few months ago, there was an article on poly grads, fewer polygraphs, securing full time jobs in 2024, but also Straits Times comma but take home higher pay. So very similar trends there also. Yeah. So I mean some people are also incrementing by you know how you know Straits Times and everything be reporting this views you know in the lead up to the election understanding the elections should be happening soon. 00:23:37:02 - 00:23:56:08 Unknown There was this quite negative news. And, this affects young voters. All right. Young voters who could be very frustrated with, you know, their job search and things like that. And then they see this. It's like this downward spiral of where Singapore is going and then divide up voting otherwise. Yeah. But what do you what do you think of that? 00:23:56:10 - 00:24:25:02 Unknown Yeah. I don't know, like, I mean, this this report was released in February 2024. I think as a news outlet, you know, these sort of things are important to report on. Maybe that's why they were trying to, you know, like, not couch it a bit lah. Because even when Street Signs was reporting some numbers, I couldn't follow through because the numbers were a bit confusing. 00:24:25:04 - 00:24:45:03 Unknown So I think they have to report, but are they really going to deep dive into it? Probably not. But I mean, you know, given that we study in university and graduate that a long time ago, that. Right. What would you say to a young person who was, you know, thinking about the importance of a degree in Singapore, that right. 00:24:45:03 - 00:25:08:05 Unknown What is the value if the general trend is that the degree is less, less helpful in how we use it? Your job, the future, I mean, okay, let's say you don't know what you want to do. Yeah. I think that whole few years doing a degree, there's room to explore, because I had no idea what the hell I wanted to do. 00:25:08:07 - 00:25:33:05 Unknown But I think. But I will also say that. Do you need to do. Yeah. So. So that whole degree thing, I used to say. Okay, there's one thing about being able to explore your your social networks. You have a forced community, almost. And, the fact that you will learn skills that even though it doesn't make sense at that point in time, can actually be helpful in future, working with other people, socializing and stuff. 00:25:33:05 - 00:25:58:04 Unknown Adela. Yeah. For you, I still think there's a value, coming from, you know, studying business and psychology in school. I think university wanted to is really in the last chance in your life to be surrounded by, like, like minded people who are aligned on. We will all want to, you know, study, and you want to get good grades and, and, and, you know, graduate like, right. 00:25:58:04 - 00:26:20:04 Unknown You know, we are all aligned in this equation and at the same time, you will meet very smart, motivated people along the way. And I'm not talking about other students alongside you have done well like professors or, you know, you know, graduate undergraduate students and things like that. All right. You know, at the forefront of research in their fields and everything, and they teach you how to how to think or how to structure your thoughts. 00:26:20:06 - 00:26:41:02 Unknown Yeah. And and just being in an environment where your goal is to do nothing but to just learn and absorb and be the best, be the best version of yourself, if you can be that right. Yeah. It's your last chance to do that, right? Yeah. When you once you enter the workforce or you start your own business or, you know, whatever, even if you have a family. 00:26:41:08 - 00:27:15:20 Unknown Yeah. And family and all that and responsibilities as a, it's a different kind of learning that you do it. You really learn by by just by having Shepherd do you? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas university is the last, cocoon that you and, that allows you to sort of, like, try a lot of different things and, you know, meet a lot of smart, interesting, motivated party, you know, and, and just understand that this is like the probably like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to climb the pinnacle of, of, of life or anything, but it really is, parents, you holding onto your boss? 00:27:15:20 - 00:27:34:10 Unknown Not I don't really, because I don't read that is the peak. And, there's other ups and downs along the way in life, but but this university, it's it's really that last chance to enjoy. So did you realize how it was that last chance when you when, you know, it took me like a couple of years and then I was, I think only in my last year at uni. 00:27:34:10 - 00:27:52:20 Unknown I really like. Oh shit. You know, this so much stuff that I still want to do. Yeah. And I probably, like, put my fingers in 23 pies at the same time, you know? But the first few years, I was just very fixated on, just studying and, you know, Singapore, you know. Right. And I was like, oh, shit. 00:27:52:20 - 00:28:16:04 Unknown There's like, a lot more I can do, a lot more I can tap on in the university network and, you know, meet people and talk to interesting people who, who up to to today, some of the most interesting people I've met, you know, in my whole life, like, you're in luck, right? Thanks. Things. Thanks, Terrance, I don't know, I'm still talking to you every day, so, you know, I think, you know, you know, you might say, hey, you met me. 00:28:16:04 - 00:28:39:10 Unknown Really? Okay. Don't. Terrance, I accept the compliment. I accept the compliment. So, yeah, you know, go to you, then you'll meet someone like that. Maybe you. But you might know. And you see each other every day. Yeah. Mean it always time, though. But I think the same for me. It was only the last year, maybe second half of the last year where, like. 00:28:39:10 - 00:29:02:23 Unknown Oh, shit. This really is like, it's never gonna happen again. But why? Why did I do something of that? Because I went to this one talk where there was, alumni who was an astronaut who came back and said very succinctly, this is the last time you're ever going to be surrounded, like what you said, that's surrounded by a group of people where, regardless of your interests, you can find at least one other person who shares it. 00:29:03:01 - 00:29:23:04 Unknown Yeah. And I remember I was in the in the lecture theater, and me and my friends looked at each other a little shit. That's true, because you will find people like fire juggling, unicycling and doing every kind of like paintball club and all. And I mean, of course, like, like I, I was lucky to get a chance to study abroad also. 00:29:23:09 - 00:29:42:12 Unknown But, I mean, my friends who went to Singapore unis, they also got chances to, you know, study abroad, on exchange programs somewhere and met their eventual partners, that they ended up settling down with. And you just have this. It's like, especially as you get older, like, now, you know, like when you're 40, you want to organize to catch up with a group of friends, right? 00:29:42:17 - 00:30:04:23 Unknown Like holla. You know, when you need it, more of a new sport won't go, you know, go. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, now with this, with the internet, where you can access so much more resources, you can almost craft out your own, like, overseas programs and shit like that. There's a lot of benefit there. 00:30:05:00 - 00:30:23:17 Unknown And of course, the the question will be different if do I think it makes sense to spend, like, a shit ton of money on, like, one of those, those brand universities? I don't think that's necessary. Because I think now, like, as long as you have a community of of of of students like there for a reason. 00:30:23:17 - 00:31:01:08 Unknown Right? There's a lot that can come out of it. Yeah. So you also about the student community and the friends and the experiences and just the independence being away for like from like and having to survive on your own. But mine was actually like doing like academic research for the first time. Like, you know, I had an advisor who was one that was I mean one of them was I mean he's one of the most respected, psychology professors in the country, in the US and, he was advising me on my little experiment that was reinforced psychology, where I was like, testing, doing some experiments on rats and all that. 00:31:01:10 - 00:31:20:10 Unknown I just came up with really, like, weird, kind of silly hypotheses that that he took seriously also. And then we crafted something, you know, together with my partner and everything, and I just spent the afternoons just doing running these little social experiments on rats and all them. I realized like when else in the off I mean like you get to do this level. 00:31:20:13 - 00:31:43:03 Unknown Yeah. Go to a lab, sit there for two hours doing experiments on rats. And that all was done, you know right before about the they going back to your talk to one of those esteemed professors about it and then after that, like, spend the whole semester writing a paper on it, it's like there's no other time in your life that you have you, you, you are able to, like, just like, you know, do this, become the master of something in your own little. 00:31:43:05 - 00:32:11:09 Unknown Yeah, yeah, yeah, shit. Like once you start working. It's not that, right? Yeah. It's, you know, meeting other people's expectations and all that. And, I mean, even in Singapore, like, we're spoken at, some institutions, we have had university students on our podcast also the whole and US law a yielding. And I mean, the stuff they do like recently we student team wanting to start a podcast, in uni also reached out to me like is shit. 00:32:11:10 - 00:32:33:20 Unknown Yeah. Is is is cool until, life and responsibilities come your way, but but that's that's why I don't see that uni is the pinnacle. Yeah. I think entrepreneurship also you you also get a kick of that creating something that then you create a community that like, likes what you do and advisors buys your stuff. And yeah, this is what we've been, you know, living and breathing for a while, right? 00:32:33:20 - 00:32:54:05 Unknown Yeah. It's very exciting. Was but my first real taste of that kind of like, it was uni. But then as a student, then you see the survey. Oh exactly. Yeah. That's like that's what I hope it doesn't. The sweet people from like, you know, pursuing what do you want to pursue in university. Yeah. And I mean also like this number. 00:32:54:05 - 00:33:24:02 Unknown Yes. But there's a lot of other numbers that are not part of this. And I hope there is this feeling that, okay, these numbers are not the rules. Yes, but there's almost more opportunity now than before to craft out something of your own, learn a skill of your own and find opportunities on your own. That so. So yeah, I mean, I hope this trend reverses, because, internationally, geopolitically and all you hear all this talk about how the world is going to shit, but this is the same year every year, right? 00:33:24:02 - 00:33:53:02 Unknown So so yeah, I hope I hope this does change. Yeah. I really do hope it's not the death of, like, this year. But yeah. So it's to, Yeah. Like, there's also someone dealing with the trauma of, of of death. Much more literal. Yeah. By the much more you must want in your face next to you on the flight got right. 00:33:53:04 - 00:34:24:12 Unknown What is this traumatic incident that happened to this couple? Yeah, it is, this Australian couple in particular who took, Qatar flight, from, I guess, Australia to Venice. Okay. So they were flying from Melbourne to Doha, and after which they fly from Doha to Venice for the, dream holiday. So what happened was there was a woman who had unfortunately passed away in the aisle of the plane beside them during the flight. 00:34:24:14 - 00:34:46:23 Unknown And like the cabin crew, they they did all they could, but unfortunately, they couldn't save her. But what happened next, right, was, they covered, corpse in blankets. And I think they asked him, sorry, could you move over? And, you know, Mr. King, the man in the couple said yes, no problem. And I it did. 00:34:46:23 - 00:35:11:19 Unknown After that was the the place the, the the the human body, the corpse wrapped in blankets next to him in the seat. Yeah. And there was literally the chair that he was sitting in. So, apparently, according to him, he had not been given the option to move to an empty seat nearby, even though there will be conceits. 00:35:11:21 - 00:35:35:16 Unknown And apparently, like, the, the I mean, Qatar has kind of like, come up with a similar. First and foremost, our thoughts are with the family of the passenger who sadly passed away on board our flight. We apologize for any inconvenience or distress this incident may have caused. And, I, in the process of contacting passengers in line with our policies and procedures, I read somewhere that also that, they were trying to move the corpse to business class. 00:35:35:19 - 00:36:06:05 Unknown Yeah, but apparently she was a, a bigger woman, and it was hard to move her. But AT&T, these couple were a bit traumatized. He was he sat for hours in his seat next to, And did passenger. But, what? Well, what do you make of this, Terrence? I mean, is the the headline is literally couples of trauma after body placed next to them on the flight. 00:36:06:05 - 00:36:35:24 Unknown Left, right. And the. That sounds, like, pretty bad. But but when you read it and you, you kind of understand. Okay, I guess there was sort of like, maybe responding to, the crew was, like, trying to respond to a medical emergency. Right. And then after that, the place, the body next to it, but maybe at the southern point at that point of time, like, I'm not sure what the protocol is, but if someone dies in the middle of the flight and all that, right? 00:36:36:01 - 00:37:00:09 Unknown I mean, they can land right then, but, you know. But at what point did they determine that the person is medically like, you know, anything like, maybe there's some element of or confusion about things? Not just a confusion, but, definitely because you in, you know, you're in the international air space and everything, there's always some consideration about like, time of death. 00:37:00:10 - 00:37:28:12 Unknown And, you know, when you need a doctor to declare that the person is dead. So. But right. So maybe they could didn't or they didn't think it was a good idea to announce to everybody or even just the person that, yeah, this person is passed away. You right. And maybe the person in some circles I was thinking, why would the guy see the if you knew that if he was a dead person, why would he not ask to to move that right. 00:37:28:14 - 00:37:50:02 Unknown Well, you said that the stewardess towards his stewardesses did an offer, but if you knew they were one of these people sitting next to a cop. So then you ask to move by itself? Yeah. Maybe the whole point. It was just a very confusing, period for, you know, the crew and the airline crew and even the passenger themselves that they maybe they're just in a bit of shock there about. 00:37:50:04 - 00:38:16:12 Unknown But what to do? And only after they land and then be processed information did that all. Okay. Maybe I should have moved to different scene, right? Yeah. So. So I mean, okay, so I just Google, like, just a general protocol for airlines when a passenger dies. So first of all, yeah, there's immediate response. Whether or not they're medical professionals on board, and whether there is a need to do a telemedicine consultation. 00:38:16:14 - 00:38:41:05 Unknown So there's, there's, there's ground based medical services that specialize in this, like medical, they can guide the crew remotely. But, you know, just on what you said about whether or not they can assess whether the person is dead. Flight crew generally cannot declare death. Only a licensed medical professional on board can. If not, the declaration is made when the medical authorities, by the medical authorities once they've landed. 00:38:41:07 - 00:39:17:04 Unknown So if it's not, the person is not declared dead. They are considered unconscious. So I do know this is hypothesizing. Maybe the crew said she's unconscious. She's just going to sit here. And even if she was clearly dead, the passenger knew that she was dead. The crew wouldn't say that she's dead. But the cut, the probably the crew is like, oh my God, what the fuck do we say here is someone who is covered in blankets, and we just have to say that she's unconscious. 00:39:17:06 - 00:39:48:00 Unknown And then, I mean, like, like they also have to restrain the body, so for safety, the body must be secured with a seatbelt. Yeah. Where else can you find a seatbelt in a seat? So maybe the thing that they should have done is to just relocate the the the passenger. But you could also argue that if the crew is dealing with a death or it is deemed traumatic, like someone literally dies in front of you and you just have to wait for more hours. 00:39:48:02 - 00:40:07:24 Unknown Holy shit. So yeah, I mean, I can I can imagine, you know, how frantic crew probably is trying to deal with the situation that they and yeah, like we said last week, they declared the person is dead. All right. You can only see this. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Because even if you ask the crew, is she alive? 00:40:08:02 - 00:40:31:05 Unknown They cannot see. See even like, I mean, yeah, like we've seen on TV on there. But actually duty itself is a different thing. All right. Oh I mean oh my God, I do kind of feel for the crew a little bit. That. Right. That. Yes, yes. What this person this couple went through is quite distressing. But they themselves, as a crew, would probably quite traumatized by the whole thing. 00:40:31:05 - 00:40:49:05 Unknown And maybe it wasn't. Okay, how do we deal with the person that was sitting next to the next to the next, the cops and all that? Right. Yeah. And I mean, also, like, you know, whenever you hear someone has passed on, you never want to move the body too much, right? Because they will probably be need to be an autopsy then after that. 00:40:49:05 - 00:41:12:18 Unknown So you do want to move. So if you have to move her from economy class to business class, it's quite a journey and you're going to have to pass a lot of passengers. So you can also understand like, okay, let's just contain, this, this incident and just put on a seat. But yeah, like if there were seats available, then maybe it should have been like, yeah, relocated. 00:41:12:20 - 00:41:37:00 Unknown But there's another article on TMZ that shows a picture of him with the person sitting next to him in a blanket. The police know that they they mosaic that all face was exposed. No, no, I mean, they they blurted out, so I can tell. But when? Now. I think the blanket is covered. Everything. Well, just like I'm trying to imagine. 00:41:37:00 - 00:41:57:13 Unknown Like when you. If you think you're flying, do you see that exterior? It's kind of. I mean, but at the same time, sometimes on that flight, I see people who sleep like, you know, entirely like blankets covering the whole body in the face. I saw that, right? Yeah. So in some ways, maybe, maybe, maybe this this mystery wasn't even aware that, you know, it wasn't focusing on it. 00:41:57:15 - 00:42:17:02 Unknown You don't see that, right? Yeah. They don't see the crew, you know, responding in, in the Austin removal, but they just place the lady in the trailer. You didn't do anything else? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. And it's only after when they landed that they pulled the blankets off the woman, and then you saw her face. 00:42:17:02 - 00:42:38:16 Unknown All right, that's probably when you realize that she. She got up. I mean, maybe when the medical staff came in, they put her on a cot, like. Well, I mean, if she's not moving at all or anything and she goes out on a it's just a shitty situation overall. Oh my God. Hopefully they get some counseling when they go Venice and everything. 00:42:38:18 - 00:42:59:24 Unknown Yeah. Something to do with. No, sir. I mean, they had to take another flight after that. All. Yeah. So, so I mean, yeah, even if you want to upgrade them to, if you are going to move this person to business class, I assume no seats there. So being in the seats next to where a person just die, it can be traumatic. 00:42:59:24 - 00:43:24:13 Unknown So maybe they just should have. Yeah. Could have done many things but oh my god. Oh gosh. I mean I thought that was interesting because the headline says something. But when you read it and you and you think about the process of someone dying in the air and all that, like, that there could be a lot of points where, you know, the, the management or the situation. 00:43:24:15 - 00:43:55:00 Unknown Doesn't it's very hard to manage the situation and then to expect the crew to, you know, know how to do everything 100%, probably, some tequila. Right? Oh my God. Oh, Holy shit. This is nuts. This is nuts. Yeah, well, but, I mean, I hope the airline has contacted the couple and kind of like, try to try to do something to compensate them for business class stuff, but, man, I mean, my, like, traumatized. 00:43:55:00 - 00:44:23:11 Unknown You never want to see the like again. Yeah. Holy shit man. But yeah, it's very, somber. Somber. Yeah. But, I'll do the next segment, which is the, one should comment. Do you have your one short comment? Yeah. I want your comments on, the last episode on Reddit, six, two, three about bullying incident. 00:44:23:13 - 00:44:47:09 Unknown Yeah. I think this person mild events, do you want to, read it and said, I really enjoyed how your solutions for bullying will just. And yet very well for out. And the fact that both of you had your points which didn't negate the others. Well, you know, but and then yeah, I think multiple also talks about what he knows from. 00:44:47:09 - 00:45:08:01 Unknown So the friends were, teachers and you talked about how bullying in schools in Singapore have has gotten out of hand. He talks about students given three chances for bullying before any punishment is given. So, you know, students seem to be able to get around to deal with it the first time to ensure they're not caught. 00:45:08:01 - 00:45:29:05 Unknown The second time, there's no way. But you just find out because the player didn't know what to do. So, yeah. I think both us also talks about how Singaporean parents, also have to show this blade because, you know, no Singaporean parents protect their children like angels like that. They will never do anything wrong. All right. 00:45:29:07 - 00:45:48:11 Unknown So yeah the the his conclusions, his or her conclusions that there are a lot of entitled parents in Singapore who expect everything and the one to lift a finger for anything. Because I mean commenters are agreed that the parents and how they bring up the children, the values cultivating them are roots of the problem. Yeah. I mean yeah. 00:45:48:16 - 00:46:11:13 Unknown Like as a, as a new parent also like it's just, I mean I'm sure every parent has this thought where like, okay, there's so many ways to, you know, fuck up your child, for eternity. And he's always fighting against that, like, to make sure that you don't. My one should comment was also something then from that Reddit thread, by Captain Black Chest. 00:46:11:15 - 00:46:38:07 Unknown I mean, like, they suggested an idea that, you know, like, as a form of punishment. So I would say it's, it's, similar to something that I was mentioning also about taking them off, putting them somewhere, but they went the extra mile and it's it how about we channel? So basically if someone is, bullied, they, they take them out of school system and put them in, in a school or institution. 00:46:38:09 - 00:46:58:20 Unknown That is kind of like run by capable and empathic regular military spec officers who may be heading towards retirement. So it is institution. They still continue with their studies, but it is strictly a stay in five days a week to do. Yeah. Ten lessons learned discipline through various teambuilding opportunity activities and then group reflections led by a qualified person to help them regulate whatever they're going through. 00:46:58:22 - 00:47:30:06 Unknown So basically, you know, utilizing the the soon to be retired Army personnel, which, I mean, I did mention that something about like, they need to be rounded up and, and put in in a school where they just get like straightened out. So similar. So incident the Singapore Sport School is, I mean, like, like like I think what we discussed, the boys homes, I don't know how rampant they are these days, or whether that's only for like criminal stuff that, you know, therefore you have assaulted someone. 00:47:30:08 - 00:47:47:18 Unknown But bullying, I think, needs to be held to a higher standard. But I did comment on that same threat, that thinking that I don't I wouldn't entrust the young boys, under the care of like, oh yeah, that that. I also don't agree that others don't agree. The setting of this new institution thing I think, got good potential. 00:47:47:18 - 00:48:11:24 Unknown But yeah. And like even officers and all that Army people. Yeah. Just because you went to Army doesn't mean you have discipline. It mean you have you have honor because I mean, you have integrity. Could be the biggest. Yeah. Because there's hierarchy and everything. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a big fan of the idea. Yeah. Too much parachuting, military personnel, most important aspects of life. 00:48:12:04 - 00:48:26:13 Unknown Yeah. I mean, just does it have to be military there? There will be people who will be great for the job. But regardless of their background, does it mean that you go to military means you're a good person? Doesn't mean you don't go to military. Means you are not a good person. Yeah. So, yeah. Thanks for the comments. 00:48:26:13 - 00:48:57:05 Unknown Quite a healthy, discussion on that thread. Yeah. And, what about your one sure thing, man? My one sure thing actually was, I think was, just recently, the actor, Jesse Eisenberg, actors. Left. Right, right. He won an award and, and, what was it? The spirit of what was, it was for a film. 00:48:57:07 - 00:49:23:09 Unknown He was he won best screenplay in the 2025 film Independent Spirit, which is, is, just. Yeah. Oh. Jesse Eisenberg okay, social network. Land and all that, right? Yeah, yeah. And I think he gave a speech where he he dedicated a lot of his, I mean, not dedicated, but he, he basically talked about how Emma Stone was a very important, very important. 00:49:23:11 - 00:49:42:21 Unknown What do you call a cheerleader for him? Throughout his, his period? As in trying to transition, you know, from being an actor to, to write the and everything. It was, it was quite emotional, like you said a lot of things. And then I think Emma Stone was in the audience. Emma Stone is a la la land, Emma Stone. 00:49:42:23 - 00:50:02:00 Unknown So I think shit. And Yeah. And she, she you talked about how she encouraged him a lot of the time that he was, you know, pre-writing and trying to do other things besides just acting as all that. Right? Yeah. So it was quite touching the speech that he. You did where, you know, he was essentially he was. 00:50:02:02 - 00:50:26:10 Unknown I'm writing the book. Peels off, because I think Jesse Eisenberg was also in the news recently for just talking about how he would never I mean, he played Mother's Uncle Boner, right? Never want to be associated with small amounts of good. But because you can't believe that, you know, all these tech billionaires and tech rules are not using their influence to do all good for. 00:50:26:12 - 00:50:48:07 Unknown Oh is it, you know like just what is like clamp down on on last time it was like clamping down on fake news and shit these things. And now it's like, it seems to be going in the direction of, like, of, like, encouraging a lot more, extremist views on. So yeah. Laura, happy for him. 00:50:48:09 - 00:51:05:21 Unknown I mean he's a great actor and it's just really I mean the movie actually looks damn good. No. Yeah. Yeah, yeah a real. Yeah. He's just like two friends going on a road trip or something like that. And like it is very inspirational because those are movies, you know, like super big budget, no CGI. It's just a good story. 00:51:06:01 - 00:51:21:18 Unknown And I didn't know he wrote the screenplay and he talked. He talks about how did you hear about, well, cool stars and yeah, Zombieland. And it was just like every time you write something like, she's the only person who would, like, take screenshots of what you write, I don't know, I really love about you. Oh, really going on there? 00:51:21:18 - 00:51:43:09 Unknown Yeah. He said that, that really encouraged him. You know, she he said that she's the most famous person I know and yet also the most dedicated to encouraging me as well. So in terms of even you know, I mean, you know, when you go about your day, a little WhatsApp message or a little bit of encouragement, it could go a long way in helping to shape someone's future. 00:51:43:11 - 00:52:06:19 Unknown Well, nice. Emma stone solid. Yeah. Cool. My one shooting is, I mean, okay, so admittedly I don't watch that much NBA, but I think because recently when I saw news of like the trip for Luka Jokic to Jokic don't you don't shoot. Oh my god. Luka Doncic. I watch I watched a few clips and like what he's he's fucking amazing now. 00:52:06:19 - 00:52:27:11 Unknown But I think because I watch those videos I'm getting fed a few more basketball videos. Then I watched another video last night about this guy Yuki Kawamura. Do you know, he's like a Japanese player? And, he plays for the Memphis Hustle. And he's known to be one of the shortest players ever. His five foot seven league. 00:52:27:13 - 00:52:48:05 Unknown He's not playing the NBA. So I'm going to see do see Yuki come out. Call more plays that shocked the NBA. Or is the G League G League style the developmental league? This one level below the NBA. I'm getting NBA contract is that if they are good, you can sort of get immediate transfer to to the associated club. 00:52:48:05 - 00:53:14:04 Unknown In the NBA. You associate the franchise. So if he's playing for Memphis what what teams. Oh he's playing. He started off in the Memphis hustle. But then he got upgraded to the Memphis Grizzlies. Grizzlies in the NBA. Fuck up. All these basketball fans are just fucking dying inside a, Grizzlies mcgriddles. Yeah. So. Oh, it was a two way contract. 00:53:14:04 - 00:53:33:10 Unknown Yeah. I think after the 2024 Olympics, he got a contract with Memphis Hustle and then because of the two year contract, he's now playing for the Memphis Grizzlies. Yeah. So I mean probably NBA right. And he's one centimeter taller than me. And I mean his story also I think he was like a child prodigy. Basketball prodigy in Japan. 00:53:33:12 - 00:53:57:24 Unknown I think at 16 he started playing for a national team in the Olympics. They were actually neck and neck with, the French team with all their stars. And he was a top scorer in that game. And just watching him play, I'm like, what this guy like is the epitome of like, you know what? Like just because you're not a particular type doesn't mean you can't do well in a, in an industry or a sport that, no one else is like ULA. 00:53:58:01 - 00:54:17:09 Unknown So yeah, fucking cool. His highlights are like, oh shit. He's he's one of those like, he doesn't dunk, but he's, he's very agile as all those passes and three point this. Oh I'm like oh shit. That's that's pretty pretty dope. Yeah. Oh. He's not one centimeter. One centimeter Ptolemy's three centimeters shorter than me 1.68. 00:54:17:11 - 00:54:41:03 Unknown It's crazy. He's currently the shortest player in the NBA. And he done. I haven't seen him dunk in those highlights like crazy. Yeah, okay, that's his shot. Like like yeah yeah yeah. But there are people who are. Oh my I don't yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he can dunk because he looks like like a, like a, like a ball back guy or solid. 00:54:41:03 - 00:55:02:10 Unknown Solid. Okay. Come to the sport high school. Yeah. I look forward to watching the Memphis Memphis Grizzlies. Grizzlies more often. Cool. Yeah, that's something else. Yeah. I used to watch a lot. I used to buy basketball. So. Yeah I like because in Bryant one two, three I think I told you before, I was with the toddlers in my whole batch and I used to play like basketball quite a bit because I was taller. 00:55:02:12 - 00:55:28:02 Unknown Then after that stopped growing up. I remember I bought the the basketball that had the signature. I mean, it wasn't his signature, like real one. It was inscribed by Dominique Wilkins. So I, I'm like, hey, you know, sign me. I used to watch. I used to wake up and watch the NBA finals. No, Johnny or Ella, everyone it, then after that, no, I, but yeah, cool, man. 00:55:28:04 - 00:55:44:10 Unknown That that's it for today. We still have one more episode at the end of this week. So if you're new to the podcast or if you've been listening to for a while, please tell at least one person about us. Follow us on all the social medias. And, Terrence, yeah, I was just going to say, can't wait to meet all the people. 00:55:44:12 - 00:55:58:24 Unknown That's true, that's true. 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