#622 - Total Defence Exercise Leads to Food Poisoning & Pregnant Hawker Forced to Stand

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That, you know, most people question what it was. 00:05:59:04 - 00:06:24:03 Unknown It was really bad. Yeah. It was something that was, I think, published last week, 15th February, that as part of, you know, this year's exercise. SG really, which was something I was not even aware was happening. It's part of, like, the total defense, campaign and all about 150,000 ready to eat meals for emergency food supply. 00:06:24:05 - 00:06:43:21 Unknown Going to be distributed to schools and active aging centers. So, so basically, this is like a level up on Army combat missions for anyone who hasn't been to Army the moment you mentioned combat rations to someone who has been to Army. There's a visceral kind of level that that that comes out because it's not the tastiest of meals. 00:06:43:23 - 00:07:03:16 Unknown But this was this is, a series of, ready to eat meals prepared by the same, caterer. But it's meant to be a lot tastier and apparently is meant to last up to eight months. In a place that without refrigeration, as long as it's stored in, like, a, place away from sunlight and, 00:07:03:18 - 00:07:33:05 Unknown Yeah. Shelf life of eight months. No. And and the meals are like briyani pasta. Sweet, spicy tomato fish with basmati rice. Pretty. Pretty impressive. So when this news came out, I remember reading about it. I was like, oh, shit, that's a lot of meals. Around 50,000. But just a few days later. So yesterday, 20th February, there was news that a total of 20 students from staff, actually fell sick from eating the meals which were distributed to their schools. 00:07:33:07 - 00:07:51:01 Unknown And yeah, that, that is that's caused a lot of chatter online. A lot of statements have been made, but like, I mean, you must have heard about the announcement when it first came out, right, that this was all going to be distributed. No, I didn't. Oh it didn't. I mean, I know Total Wednesday was last week. 00:07:51:03 - 00:08:11:00 Unknown Correct, correct. Yeah. But yeah, this I mean, these kind of exercise, you know, exercises in school and all that, very, very much part of what they do every, every year. Right. And there's always all these things. But yeah this one is, it's quite interesting because but the interesting thing is I never knew the existence of these Artemia. 00:08:11:02 - 00:08:34:19 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Quite enticing because if you look at the packaging, you know, it reminds me of those, microwave meals you find. Yeah. I don't know, but, you know, when every time I eat one of those, you know, it's like, burst of salt, but it's good, right? Sometimes is good, man is good. 00:08:34:21 - 00:08:53:07 Unknown Enough to that. How you feel after that is. It depends on your on your body. Yeah. True. You know, it's almost 18 syllables. You know that this is not good for you, but you just need to keep, like, if this was if I was in school and this was being distributed to me, I really expected. Yeah, yeah, you would be, I would be. 00:08:53:07 - 00:09:14:03 Unknown It's different. I mean, the packaging is very different from mommy. Oh, yeah. It really looks like one of those 7-Eleven things. Whereas, like a plastic case and something you can look through, which is actually part of the reason why the shelf life is not as long as gummy compositions. No sunlight. No, it is a thing. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, comparisons can last for like 24 months, 36 months because it's completely sealed. 00:09:14:05 - 00:09:34:09 Unknown But this one, sunlight can or light can go in. So. So, you you don't find it enticing to as a student? I mean, if I was a student now. Right? Like, we're in a world of Instagram and shit where you see so much online, I think this would have been a lot more enticing last time. Now, if I see this right, I'm going. 00:09:34:11 - 00:09:47:20 Unknown Why would I? Why would this be a nice thing to eat? The only thing is, okay, I can save money that I was going to spend on a meal, that I can go and buy bubble tea or something. Then that's what. Why? I'm. So you're saying it's enticing because of the cost savings, not because of the Tesla savings. 00:09:47:20 - 00:10:09:06 Unknown Or taste wise, maybe not so much love, but it's at least it's, it's free food. Is it? Okay then. Then that one. I would agree. As a student, you can save money to indulge in something else. But I thought you said you're like, what's your name? Should you go try to the boss material? But that also, you know, there's something to when you go to school and then suddenly there's some new being distributed. 00:10:09:06 - 00:10:26:17 Unknown Everyone. And you get to try it. Yeah. Something. Refund is a student as well, right? I guess, like I say, there's only a few. I could just look at my own, you know, get free school and everything. Every time you bring something new, every once, every day, someone brings something new to school. It's just excitement about that. 00:10:26:17 - 00:10:48:11 Unknown Because as a four year old boy, like, he can go outside and get his own toys. There is probably there'll probably be a bus. That right? I don't know about you, but maybe you a mom. You, you were cynical. You know, little twit back then in school. That right? I was much more fun. I participated in all these things and full of fervor. 00:10:48:13 - 00:11:11:18 Unknown I didn't learn tricks and overcome everything. But, you know, if you say a cynical Twitter, well, you just you just. Are you doing it? I think definitely I was an Exxon. Them lame. That's why so vivid. I was in school and you were a secretary, you know, doing a great Singapore. Got, like, a fucking idiot school. 00:11:11:20 - 00:11:35:11 Unknown Do whatever you think was a primary school. Primary school, primary school. Yeah, I mean, I it's not something that I look forward to, but not to say that was cool, I was not I was not part of Cool Cross. Yeah, I was confused, I was confused, but, Yeah. So this one, I mean, because there was one article about, one of those who got, one of the students who got sick. 00:11:35:13 - 00:11:59:09 Unknown I think she said she ate the meal twice. One for lunch and once for dinner. She enjoyed it so much. Ya. So? So, yeah, she enjoyed it so much. But I think as a student is probably more okay if you can save money. Why not? That's my assumption. Because on Reddit you did see some people saying that it did not taste good. 00:11:59:11 - 00:12:24:05 Unknown Is it they. It did not taste good. And the list of ingredients apparently is quite long. There was, that was, photos they shared on Imgur. Yeah. However you pronounce that, but but what do you think the fact that these, these, 20 students who got sick, right, is like, is that begedil? I mean, given how many thousand, 100, 50,000 not all have been given, but I think about a hundred thousand have been given 20 students. 00:12:24:05 - 00:13:03:19 Unknown This less than, like 0.2%. Right on. Is true. But you must think about why why these things were distributed in the first place. Distributed as part of, total defense exercise. Yeah. To also to simulate, to do a simulation of power supply disruptions of food, all of the disruptions which result from after, so you if you are doing exercise as soon your country is ready for these kind of things, by it turns out that, ready to eat meals that you're distributing around can cause more disease and more problems in the community. 00:13:03:21 - 00:13:21:18 Unknown This is not a face, right? It's kind of embarrassing. Right? Like what wonderful events. Is already at its source before as you know. But it's related to that. Right. And it makes us look kind of it. Right. But maybe this is like the next level for the chest by by sets. 00:13:21:18 - 00:13:48:02 Unknown And like I mean never you seeing in war turns what, what happens. People will get sick. You know we can do all we can. It is how we treat the sick ones that matters. So even the part of dealing with that with these people, we just follow the exercise there. It's really possible. And then, I mean, I think they actually go a step further than just like, oh, get some free food if I'm not wrong. 00:13:48:04 - 00:14:10:15 Unknown I think the school canteens, they actually maybe even mandate that they do. They will be closed because, there was a message, that was sent to parents, via mou communications portal. They said, because they, they were stopping the distribution of these RTD things. Right? They were encouraging students to bring their own food for recess. 00:14:10:17 - 00:14:27:18 Unknown And a few school canteen stores will be open as well. So maybe there's a mandate in school that can be installed. Will not be open any. And everyone will eat this. Are the emails together right. I mean that makes more sense. So they don't students don't really have a choice. But now they have the goodness of their own food. 00:14:27:18 - 00:14:52:00 Unknown And, you know, for their parents to bring their own, kind of, the feasible purpose of the exercise be not when you have to rely on someone else to do to bring food for you. So, I mean, that's why I think it's, it's quite big. It's quite, a lot of you're going to face the fact that, you know, at the end of the day, it wasn't from some small home caterer, some small mom and pop caterer that did this. 00:14:52:00 - 00:15:16:24 Unknown All right, from set up, which also supplies, catering and food for Singapore Airlines. So it tells you, I mean, it makes you like, you know, if one of the premier catering service in Singapore, the quality assurance is in there. And what does it say about, everything that we, we do for Singapore Airlines in the rest of the world, tourism and everything on. 00:15:16:24 - 00:15:40:18 Unknown Right. So that's why I think it's a, it's a lot of people talking about this and quite shocked that this has happened. Yeah. I mean confirm we didn't set right. Walao. It is a shitstorm like crazy love because. Yeah like I think so I mean because like I mean, not to say that last time, I know that Singapore Airlines, I have, works closely with sets and all. 00:15:40:24 - 00:15:59:22 Unknown I did go to try and taste the food once or twice. But I know, like, safety and hygiene is, like, super important. And, like, in this case, if you think about it, like, okay, even commercially, like I said, is a very successful company commercially. Right. And these sort of things, they're not doing it out of goodwill of their heart. 00:15:59:22 - 00:16:20:23 Unknown Right. If they secured is I mean, it's a huge contract, like, you know, but to have this, thing goes, this little taint, right? This little stain. Well, I think it it it it is a huge thing for them because also they supply Singapore Airlines and you can imagine Singapore Airlines, they were like, oh shit. And what are these. 00:16:21:00 - 00:16:38:07 Unknown You said this is like the, you made for SF. Even safe would be like, you know, even though a few people get sick, that's a problem. So I'm pretty sure there's a huge shitstorm going on inside L.A. You don't, you know, not I'm not. I'm not arguing that. That is very serious. Yeah. I'm saying what I'm trying to say is. 00:16:38:07 - 00:17:08:24 Unknown So what I'm trying to, parcel is. Do you think the response reflects that? They are taking it very seriously, as it should. So, it doesn't feel like it. Yeah. So, yeah, I think just, judging it more on how there is, how we have responded, all the things. But but what about what about that? I mean, the fact is that what is happening is that, okay, 100,000 meals have been delivered to one, and one of the locations, they've they've identified that 1405 meals were delivered. 00:17:09:00 - 00:17:37:07 Unknown So that so they are collecting back to and consuming meals and they will also replace the ready to eat. Oh, that was totally weird. It's not I mean, to me, it's like when something like this happens on such a scale, I would, you know, I would consider maybe scrapping this entire rundown. Right. Rather than trying to isolate it to a batch, because there's probably a lot that have been distributed the heavily would be consumed there. 00:17:37:07 - 00:18:03:01 Unknown Right. And, you know, distributing to schools, to active aging centers means old people, you know, people who, you know, might buy immediately, might not be the best left. Right. So you are taking a risk in asking them to, to consume these meals. So when you already know that there's a 1% chance that some people get very severe, like food poisoning. 00:18:03:03 - 00:18:26:02 Unknown Yeah. And I mean it's true because there was one stat in the article also. Right. I think they said the number of students that got sick is less than 1% of the number of students that. So that consumed it. Yeah, I mean I look at it stat I'm like, okay, that's it's factually true, but it feels like, is that stat really that relevant? 00:18:26:02 - 00:18:43:21 Unknown Now? The fact is, and especially because this is going to be sent to aging centers. No. Yeah. This one where they're all people. Yeah. And can you imagine if something happens like so. So then what in your mind based on I mean, we have seen kind of like, you know, people get sick from food, service providers and all. 00:18:43:23 - 00:19:08:04 Unknown What would be something that you think would indicate that? Oh, shit, they are taking this fucking seriously. I mean, probably just, contemplating whether these 100,000 meals should all be recalled. I think that anytime there's any food safety concerns, and especially if it's not for, like, you're not like, you know, you're essentially almost like, forcing people to be part of this exercise, like. 00:19:08:04 - 00:19:31:18 Unknown Right. Where, you know, they say all the can, some convenience stores will be open. So probably that that might have been a to close canteen stores. Are they to simulate the power outage. Right. So you are forcing people are not giving them much option about about consuming these meals. And that's why I think they, they need to make sure the 100,000, 100,000 is tested for, for quality assurance. 00:19:31:20 - 00:19:53:17 Unknown Right. And and not just assuming that it's just a bad one. Bad batch. Yeah. And then just saying oh it's no big deal because it's less than 1%. Yeah. But I mean on the SFE, Singapore Food Agency post, they did say they will pause the food resilience preparedness program until investigations on the suitcases are concluded. 00:19:53:19 - 00:20:21:03 Unknown So in some way they are pausing it. Let me right. I guess maybe the statement that the, talking about, you know, just replacing the, ready to eat meals received batch as well. The only the, really identifying their the ring fencing. We'll need that. Yeah. I mean, if you read the statement, it is a bit like okay, so generally the gist is the SFA, together with an agency for integrated care and sets will pause the program. 00:20:21:05 - 00:20:45:06 Unknown I investigating it. The students had consumed it during the program. As of 19 Feb, 20 students were reported to have developed gastroenteritis. Similar symptoms. None were hospitalized. So just collecting back ready meals. Seven and we are working with venues to put in place. Further precautionary measures includes replacing healthy meals based on preliminary findings. This is an isolated case and they will continue to work. 00:20:45:06 - 00:21:08:22 Unknown And then the last part is an asterix. This is about 1% total of the total. Most of the staff who consumed RTD meals. If I would read that right, apply a what kind of a sheet statement is this? Because rightly so. Some people commented in the, comment section that we have seen so many articles where catering companies, hawker centers, people fall sick. 00:21:08:22 - 00:21:35:21 Unknown Right? Well, immediately they are vilified and crucified in public. You know, the whole business has to stop. They are fine. But in this case, for an exercise like this, given that you are giving it to kids and old people, this statement doesn't cut it at all. And if you feel that they're downplaying the fact that you know, like people fell sick, like I seen as I saw it, it's only 1%. 00:21:35:23 - 00:21:56:17 Unknown Okay. It is only. But is it? But like you say, like they purposely put Asterix at the end. This is about 1% of the total number of students and sort of consumable meals. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, like, you know, this is giving like, the whole PTSD about the whole Nazi issue kind of thing, you know, that kind of like, yes, yes, it's a problem, but don't panic. 00:21:56:22 - 00:22:18:06 Unknown You know, this is a small amount. It was, you know, curtailed very quickly. And just now I made a joke about how, like, or maybe this is party exercise for people to fall sick, just like how people fall sick during war. I always imagined a press conference being held and they said yes, there were only 20 that were see, that were laced with stuff, to to, you know, test. 00:22:18:08 - 00:22:37:01 Unknown And of course, I can't imagine them saying that, but yeah, this statement. Right. It just feels like. What the fuck is this? That's either, I don't know what it is, any other statement, but, it is the sphere that is leading this. Yeah. Okay. And again, that because it is part of this exercise, you know, total defense exercise. 00:22:37:02 - 00:23:08:22 Unknown All right. I think it needs to go beyond just like it needs to go beyond just oh, you know, it's an isolated incident. Small. This one needs to this is a demonstration of the resilience of the Singapore population. And if we can't even, like, get this right, in terms of like, you know, making sure there's really, like, zero cases of food poisoning from eating this stuff, and it is quite embarrassing, like, oh, so you're saying that because it is this as opposed to, like, let's say, an NTP thing or let's say even at my wedding, right. 00:23:08:24 - 00:23:31:06 Unknown If there are a few people being who fell sick and I come on and say, okay, this is just like 1% of like the people here, what is my wedding like? Okay, your food safety really was okay, wasn't priority. But in this case, because you want to show that we have everything in the most control situation for a campaign that is supposed to talk about our food safety is different. 00:23:31:08 - 00:23:49:19 Unknown And when I go to your wedding or I go and eat something for what I choose, right, I choose. Yeah, choose to eat. That is one. The people like that. The what? We speculate that we don't actually have the choice. Right. Yeah. This exercise in the in the school program that you have to do. Yeah. I mean, double whammy. 00:23:49:21 - 00:24:09:13 Unknown Yeah. And this is why that statement isn't it really feels like, doesn't cut it because because imagine imagine you got sick. Am I ready? I tell you, dance. My wife and I are investigating. But you are the only one who got sick. So it's only about 1% of the people who came. But we we will do our best to ensure this doesn't happen again. 00:24:09:15 - 00:24:45:18 Unknown How are you feel? I have to assume that is probably me. Right? It's really 1%. Yeah, yeah. Maybe all to India. I went for some mala thing before, that that's the investigation. The night before, 20 of them met for the mala hotpot. I didn't consider anything like. But, But, yeah, it's just I feel like the, these statements just have the airline down, downplaying severity of it, and and, not a good look, like. 00:24:45:19 - 00:25:09:08 Unknown That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. Because even if I were to just Google, Katara suspended Singapore, right. The articles that, come out, it's, like, let's see, you know, Stanford Catering services suspended after 51 people fall ill with gastroenteritis. Of course, those are like 52 out of a much smaller number of people. 00:25:09:08 - 00:25:27:24 Unknown So the percentage of people who fall sick was a lot higher. But again, going back to what you said for an exercise, it's meant to show how we have everything like up to speed and all. Yeah. The the statement I mean even from like sometimes I always used to think like, oh, but do we need to hear from the, the leader of the head of the organization? 00:25:27:24 - 00:25:48:05 Unknown But I think sometimes that does lend weight. Right. Words, that you're thinking seriously. Yeah. As opposed to just these Facebook posts even an intern could have crafted. It feels like it was real. That's it. And by the end of this week, next week, people forget about this understanding is that, pausing of the whole program was an update to this statement. 00:25:48:07 - 00:26:12:24 Unknown So it wasn't even the original part of the statement. Right? Oh, that's right. There's that thing about the, Yeah, the, the replacement, because you feel like if you're pausing it, what? Where you want to replace or so the updated part of it. Correct. Correct, correct. That's a a update preamble. It's like, I see you have to get up and go, you know, a little pulse of. 00:26:13:01 - 00:26:35:18 Unknown Yeah. And then after this, the actual statement this was before. But yeah. So I mean, I mean some people online was saying why didn't they test this out, this, this, this piece of like a quality assurance. It was these, you know, that people should be saying, yeah, that's what they do. You know, it's. Because it won't affect our workforce. 00:26:35:20 - 00:26:59:02 Unknown You know, you send it to companies, people get sick, our productivity goes down, but is on students is okay. Any of the old people, they also did all. So it's okay. They can't they can fall sick. But yeah. And I'm not to be off students policy. Yeah. It sucks to get food poisoning, especially in this US. But I mean, I would still say that given the scale of it, 20 people falling sick. 00:26:59:02 - 00:27:21:11 Unknown Yes, it's very unfortunate. But like, it just feels like, the way they're commuting, communicating it helps people the wrong way. I think a lot of people will actually, acknowledge that. Yes, it is a tiny percentage. But if you're making it kind of something as a point to show that you didn't fuck up that badly, there's like you. 00:27:21:12 - 00:27:39:16 Unknown No, like, it's almost like you should take the approach. Right? Okay. This is a big screw up, blah, blah, blah. And that percentage thing, you don't even need to mention it. Like, I think people can work it out in your head and know suspensions. All right? People say that all these smaller dudes or small restaurants get suspended for two weeks. 00:27:39:16 - 00:28:08:22 Unknown Yeah. What about their business stops? Yeah. Sets. You know, there's a big question number. And I mean, if it cannot be process is very big. It you know, all you can isolate you really can do your, do your, CSI and really isolate where, where they damnation happen and. Sure. Yeah. And. Yeah, exactly. But I think the main thing is that nobody feels like maybe people don't really feel that they're taking that seriously. 00:28:08:24 - 00:28:25:09 Unknown And maybe it's because like in their mind, like, do people really care about is like, why go through to to come up with this infographic of which parts of the sets catering center is being ring fenced to make sure that, you know, that is be a red zone and stuff. Maybe people don't really care. Are you asking why? 00:28:25:09 - 00:28:52:18 Unknown Why? Why care about this? People? Nobody. But I think when crises happen like that, the general PR guideline is you overshare. Overshare? Whatever you think people care about that? Yeah, I rather you overshare. And then. And then people have more information to deal with than, like, statements like. Yeah, you know, there's only 1% isolated incident and no other incidents reported. 00:28:52:20 - 00:29:11:07 Unknown Yeah. You don't wait for incidents of happen. You have to actively go and like, make sure that didn't take precautions. Yeah. And I think it's particularly because of the context of this program, it is meant to show that, like, can you imagine like, you know, in a I don't know if you seen this, increasing probability that an asteroid is going to hit Earth, right? 00:29:11:07 - 00:29:26:03 Unknown It was 1%. And then now, can you believe okay, like, of course we hope nothing happens. But if we ever actually need to have this military, you think people will be so willingly to be like, they're like, yeah, it's okay. I'm not, am I not? Maybe I thought a bit more, and I don't. Yeah, that's not good. 00:29:26:05 - 00:29:42:21 Unknown Right? It doesn't. Does it make you feel a short like. I mean, just thinking about yourself as a parent and everything, right? You know that this thing happens to these other students at some school. Yeah. And then you you drop your kid off at school in Tokyo today. We're going to eat like, these. Are these, Okay. 00:29:42:24 - 00:29:57:18 Unknown Maybe just just stop for the rest of the day and then come home and eat it, because you got to lunch or something. Yeah, I, I can't wait with the camera. Yeah. Because now, as a parent, it's almost like, you know, for selfish reasons, you're going to have to deal with the kid. There's a very mild case of it. 00:29:57:18 - 00:30:33:09 Unknown It's still. You still want to deal with it, right? Yeah. So I mean, just come into, like, one of those annoying shits. Yeah. They didn't they didn't do more to show that it was there. Oh, calms. Calms. But, yeah, you know, oversharing with oversharing. That's the very important thing. One question. But yeah, there is another little, little conflict that has come up between, you know, someone who, someone who, someone in the family business, with the government agency. 00:30:33:09 - 00:31:07:13 Unknown That. Right. Yeah. That has, you know, come on public and a lot of people are discussing it has gone viral like, a lot of information about it, from who's coming from both sides. Yeah. But people are very hotly debated. Yeah. It is it is a particular Facebook post that was put up by, gentleman called Norman Mubarak, who was one of the co-owners of Nasi Lemak Ayam Dalawang which is a chain of, nasi lemak stalls across, I mean, he has 20 stalls. 00:31:07:15 - 00:31:34:23 Unknown He and his wife co-owned a business, I believe they have 20 stalls, around Singapore. But this particular Facebook post was of his wife, who is pregnant at 40 weeks, standing at one of their stalls. And, the caption basically said, that he is, being she's being forced by him because NEA, the National Environment Agency gave them a warning. 00:31:35:00 - 00:31:58:08 Unknown Gave her a warning, along with seven other hawker stall holders in that same hawker center. So basically, the warning was about her violating their tenancy agreement by not being in the stall physically. And apparently NEA requirements mandate that either the, the owner be there or an appointed nominee be there, for four hours. Yeah. 00:31:58:14 - 00:32:28:21 Unknown So but apparently like, when they first reached out to her over WhatsApp, she responded, but she didn't hear back. And then later on they got a warning over email. So now he is taking photos of his very pregnant wife, standing at the stall and taking any. In a Facebook post. So a lot of I mean, his statement goes on to say certain things that, let me let me read verbatim, that, you know, they started since 2017, we have managed to stall for the first four years. 00:32:28:21 - 00:32:48:08 Unknown We worked daily and tirelessly. Now that we are more comfortable, we use SOPs and systems and softwares. We are being told we need to be physically handle the stall again. Then he said, you know, if this is how they treat hawkers who just only deserve a little breathing space and success in creating a system to enable more time for ourselves, I highly discourage Singaporeans. 00:32:48:10 - 00:33:04:11 Unknown Appears to be hawkers. They want you to remain in the stall until you give up. If you think of expanding or be a successful hawker, start somewhere else. Public hawkers are not meant for you to grow and remain successful. I am a third generation hawker and the buck stops with me, so that is the gist of it. 00:33:04:11 - 00:33:30:04 Unknown And of course, there have been statements from NEA, there have been statements from the Yishun Park Hawker Center as well, which is where the stall was. Well, what do you want to talk about this there. It's, it's it's really debate the, the the he has his what is what I'm seeing that, we're hearing the, the refrains of of any being very out of touch with what hawkers need. 00:33:30:06 - 00:33:52:12 Unknown Right. And, you know, I'm interesting that he's a third generation hawker. So because we have spoken to that generation, and, yeah, I think one thing, the one thing that I always try to remember after having spoken to Feci from coffee bring that right was the hope. There's also the the you know, the not one size, one size fits all. 00:33:52:14 - 00:34:12:15 Unknown When you talk about hawkers, it's not. Some hawkers are very happy to you know be a mom and pop in a stall or retirement kind of business. But then there are other hawkers that much more ambitious. Right. They want to like feci and, and you know, siblings to expand. They want to have big plans. 00:34:12:15 - 00:34:37:11 Unknown They want to be, you know, in, you know, CBD in Holland Village area to cater to white collar workers and, you know, do it under research. Right. They put in numbers of, you know, that social district a wide range, a wide spectrum of what kind of hawkers out there. Right. So whatever people's perception is of how of hawker football must be, must think about the business. 00:34:37:11 - 00:35:02:17 Unknown And only thing I think that's where there's something for everyone to remember. Is that even contemplating this issue. Right. Like where does this I see lemak ayam an announcement from doesn't stand up. Right. And that's why it's interesting to read what his supporters are saying and what, how he's responding to any statement and things like that as well. 00:35:02:19 - 00:35:25:21 Unknown But yeah that's on my side. Love for you. Like what made you feel like this was interesting to talk about. I mean my first thought was like I think generally myself and I think most people yourself, most Singaporeans, I would say that whenever we hear the sort of like kerfuffle and. All right, my first thought is like, oh, the hawker getting screwed. 00:35:25:23 - 00:35:53:10 Unknown Darko getting screwed. What is the authorities doing now? But the more I read about this, the more I feel like, okay, either we don't have a lot of info. Either it is purely a he says she says thing, but, like, if his boss is trying to complain against, tenancy agreement requiring either a stall owner or an appointed nominee to be physically present, then I feel is a bit, unfair. 00:35:53:12 - 00:36:11:10 Unknown The, the complaint to complain that it's unfair because, I mean, his argument if I were to summarize is that okay, they have optimized they got economies of scale across 20 stalls. They have SOPs and procedures. So the stall owner doesn't need to be there because she can give instructions by not being there, which is totally understandable. 00:36:11:12 - 00:36:33:22 Unknown But yeah, like a, like I mean, part of the any and any response was that, you know, the hawker stalls provide an opportunity for Singaporeans to run their own small business. We require stall holders to personally operate their stalls. This prevents stall subletting, which would drive up rental prices and food prices to the detriment of Singaporeans. 00:36:33:24 - 00:37:08:16 Unknown I mean, they're kind of like, oh, is this for the betterment of Singaporeans to be annoying? But you can even understand, right, why they need to make sure that you did a stoner on a pointed nominee is there? Yeah, because otherwise you just open a stall and you put, like, I mean, you just sublet it to someone else and then because, you know, transferring you to visa and looking at how many hawkers actually can make it sustainable, assuming even you get a slim profit margin a month, right, if you don't have to be there and you just sublet it to someone to operate, you can you can make it a business, to, 00:37:08:18 - 00:37:29:20 Unknown offset the franchisee operate. Yeah, yeah. And at first I thought if it was a difference between just hiring an employee to work at your stall. But the difference is, if you, you you get a tendency for a stall and you sublet it to another stall. You don't even need to have culinary experience. You just need to have capital to rent it, and then you rent it out to another hawker. 00:37:29:22 - 00:37:48:15 Unknown But your name is on the tenancy line. I think that is a very dangerous practice. And I can understand why it is this requirement. So when if he's arguing just based on that, I mean, even he says it owners must personally manage a stall, which is rightly so, but he doesn't believe that they need to be physically present. 00:37:48:17 - 00:38:10:23 Unknown So that's why I feel like he, had to agree with that. I mean, the one thing like you, Larry, I wish every time, we, we tend to default to certain schemas. The initial thing is always that your hawkers going to school, but, yeah, that's a post. A big job is very standing. And so just doing nothing at all. 00:38:10:23 - 00:38:31:03 Unknown No, I know nothing about you just sort of staring blankly in the distance or standing in the stall. Yeah. And he's, he took a photo of, and then he literally captioned it today I forced my wife to stand it out from being torn. And, you know, so I was like, okay. I mean, a very, very, emotive. 00:38:31:05 - 00:38:51:15 Unknown You mean you don't force your wife on a daily basis to do things like this because you, it's I so I was like, okay, I mean, when, when this kind of when I see these kind of things, I also do ask, what am I seeing? And and I mean, very clearly, he subsidies. He saw forcing his wife to stand there so you can think of and. 00:38:51:15 - 00:39:12:07 Unknown Yeah. And that's where I get a little bit, are we are we being, you know, emotionally manipulated to feel a certain way or to feel to feel bad for for this person who's complaining because it's not a photo of him. Right. His wife. Who whose name is on the, on the stall. Right. He's his name is not on the stall. 00:39:12:09 - 00:39:34:03 Unknown So that's why I just felt okay. Understanding I understand his frustration Vincent all but also like was it necessary like to go so far to force your wife to stand in the photo like that. All right. Supposed to try to set the loose. Trying to settle this issue with, with the knee itself. Right. 00:39:34:05 - 00:40:00:11 Unknown And so we're public and you know, putting a very emotive picture that but then you were saying earlier like okay that you think it's dangerous that of course I will do something like this. Yeah, yeah. But at the same time, the one thing that the I was a bit like struggling with in us reading this about this whole thing was that he has, I mean, the is a family of healers. 00:40:00:13 - 00:40:30:10 Unknown They have 20 outlets, around Singapore. Yeah. Not all. And hawker centers, from us. Some centers and some like, you know, even in the I think the food court, how is one hawker or you know, even a couple, you know, husband and wife team or whatever, how are they able to be physically present at multiple hawker centers if they're able to, if they have more than one? 00:40:30:12 - 00:40:53:01 Unknown Well, but I mean, from what I understand is the owner or appointed nominee of that stall has to be physically present, which makes me think that they might own the brand, but they're not the owner tied to that stall, because in some way he is the owner of the business. Right. But that stall, his name is not listed, is his wife, is the owner of that stall. 00:40:53:05 - 00:41:20:04 Unknown So I think they probably decouple that. Okay, this is the Brynn, but they are looking at individual stalls. So that is not how I understand it can be done. So to be clear, he's not franchising. He's operating all of these laws. And so the district, the elders I mean, I don't know what the intricacies are between franchise model because franchise model is another business owner, but it might be you might have co ownership with them when, is operating a stall together. 00:41:20:05 - 00:41:40:13 Unknown Yeah. But as long as one of the owners. Yeah, yeah, I think so. So I think that's how he does it. Yeah. So, so then, then again, I can, imagine that. Oh, that's how he makes it work. And I mean, even, like speaking to Forsyth right there. They got a lease for another, outlet, another hawker store. 00:41:40:13 - 00:42:01:00 Unknown Right. And you do see certain hawker stalls where they open up. And I've even seen articles written about like, people who have scaled up. I think there's one Korean food that has scale up across hawker stores. And they always seen as like, well, this is quite aspirational. Yeah. So I don't think there's anything wrong with it. As long as you abide by the fact that, okay, you or one of your co-owners is still operating that stall. 00:42:01:02 - 00:42:25:03 Unknown And the difference between subletting, I guess, is because there's this whole movement online about buying boring businesses. Have you heard a movement like you buy a laundromat? It's a boring business, or you buy a gas station is a boring business, but you don't even need to understand laundromats. You buy a business over, a mom and pop, and all, and you just let it run and you take the profits. 00:42:25:05 - 00:42:51:10 Unknown Yeah. So I can imagine people doing it to hawker stalls, which is why it's dangerous. Because then you are profiting, a small business owner as opposed to a hawker. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, but do you think that what his argument is that, you can be running a stall for the absolute right. Necessarily physically being that you can be giving instructions to people remotely over the phone WhatsApp. 00:42:51:12 - 00:43:11:10 Unknown Widening the person physically standing stall. Oh yeah. But just physically. Yeah. So they want that one. They want I think is a bit more debatable. Is the same argument right between a remote worker and office worker because of what people are saying. Then how would the person of you know, take a break. You know, go for holidays and things. 00:43:11:10 - 00:43:32:04 Unknown And if someone, one of the corners always needs to be, the husband and wife, right? How do they do? They can't. You can't possibly, you know, get this stuff to run this morning. Was in that very limiting to, to them as a, as a business. Do you think there's validity to the something I would say is having. 00:43:32:06 - 00:43:50:14 Unknown Yeah. So I mean I think there is something worth thinking about because it's true. Because let's say you open up a restaurant, right. You might meet a chef, but once it reaches a point in time, you can extricate yourself, right? So you don't need to be there, but it's still your restaurant, you still your recipes and all. 00:43:50:16 - 00:44:17:01 Unknown So we're focused all different. Yeah. So that one, discussion with. Yeah. Yes. Highlight the something that seems to be, you know, like the expectations have been unrealistic. Quite, not very empathetic of what, what, occurs especially to these younger hawkers or anything they want to do with their lives. Right. But like you say, I mean, this is all in the tenancy agreement. 00:44:17:03 - 00:44:40:06 Unknown You say that you know what it is. So I know that's part of the requirement right. So you, you said that you think it's unfair for him to be complaining about that if you, if you signed it knowing that it was part of the tenancy agreement. I mean yeah like assuming that it's clear in the tenancy agreement because at the end of the day, like, like hawkers, they do enjoy subsidized rent. 00:44:40:11 - 00:45:01:01 Unknown Yeah. Right. So just know when I give the example of like, oh, restaurant opens up a restaurant, you can extricate himself. You don't even need to be physically present. But to open up a restaurant, you're not getting subsidized rent. And everything you're doing is like market rate for hawker stalls. Yes. A lot of things are market rate, but the rent generally is especially NEA run hawker centers. 00:45:01:03 - 00:45:29:02 Unknown They are subsidized, right? So I mean, if you're getting that they got more stricter terms, then it's like is foreign parcel. Yeah. That that's true. Like the original spirit of hawker centers was that they were built to, you know, to take all the hawkers hawking the stuff on the streets and putting them in in more centralized locations that where, you know, hygiene and all these things can be taken care of that. 00:45:29:03 - 00:45:47:18 Unknown Right. And they were built by the government and to this day still managed by the government. Right. So a lot of a lot of rules, a lot of restrictions on what you can undo with it. And then there's an element of like making sure that, that they retain their original spirit like. Right. 00:45:47:20 - 00:46:18:14 Unknown So I think what he though like what he is talking about, about you know, becoming more effective, efficient systems and software, I think that's great. You know, as as FNB entrepreneur. Yeah. But like what you see a lot of like, the hawker, the Hawker centers, there's there's a reason that the, structure like that, there's a reason why the rent is lower than, let's say, a food court or window and and all that. 00:46:18:16 - 00:46:37:15 Unknown So those the same rules that you would play by if you want to be part of a being the opposite. Yeah. So in some ways they want to prevent people from claiming the system. And also if these rules are there and you agree to do it, I do agree with you somewhat that these, hawkers need to respect that as well. 00:46:37:17 - 00:47:01:05 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. In some sense, again, I'm going back to his complaint, but it's very it's very emotive. Right. I mean, besides the food of his wife, he talks about how for the first four years what they tirelessly job to be those be in the stall. And now that you know we have been but in a better position I think, I think we all respect the work and the hustle that goes behind a hawker. 00:47:01:07 - 00:47:30:12 Unknown We're talking about, you know, setting up some processes to, to expand the business and grow it the only way it's really, you know, becoming like, a big business where, you know, then I think you can do the, the arguments of, like, you know, life is all good and stuff like that. Before we move through that for people don't look at hawkers that we that's why, you see, when folks are talking about there's a whole spectrum of hawkers when you see that. 00:47:30:12 - 00:47:47:17 Unknown Right. And anyone I talking to face, I understand was like, just because you are hawker doesn't mean that you, you want the exact same outcomes. And it's quite clear, I think he has a certain set of outcomes that he wants from being a hawker or running a business. All right. Which, which, but then when I. Yeah. 00:47:47:17 - 00:48:20:17 Unknown Like you, when I first thought of this news article and I saw them posing on it, it seemed to skew more towards like, oh, like running these up. It was almost like running a moment. Yeah. Like clamped down on by any fan. Yeah, exactly. That's a bit of, disconnect between. Between, what? The odds of business and what you see, seeing it is and I mean, in, in essence, I mean, at a higher level, it's almost destructive to the whole conversation between hawkers, what support they need and how authorities are playing a role. 00:48:20:19 - 00:48:54:16 Unknown Because in this case, if you run dive deep, it really paints, like, not the best picture of any. But, you know, I just Google on the NEA website as well, even before any contract is there, even if you want a tender right under eligibility. The sixth point is any existing licensee of any stall in any market food center owned by the NEA or HDB may be eligible to tender on the condition that if he is a successful tenderer, he shall still be required to be present at his existing stall to personally conduct or superintend the business so she is the existing stall owner of this. 00:48:54:18 - 00:49:11:10 Unknown So I mean, it's in the eligibility and I'm guessing once you get the contract, once your tender is accepted, it probably goes into further detail. But this is just a simple Google thing. Like like I mean at first I thought, oh, maybe it's going to be buried somewhere in the details. So in this case is like kind of like, I don't know. 00:49:11:10 - 00:49:29:11 Unknown I don't know where there's going to be any other developments on this, but it does feel a bit, unfair. And also makes me think, like, for all the sympathy it's gotten on, like when my wife was pregnant, right. She'd done a whole series of, like, you know, her posing and then with the caption, you know, you know, smart. 00:49:29:13 - 00:49:48:09 Unknown You know, I forced my wife to do this and try and get some sympathy, but I never, I mean, good luck because I think as I've gotten older and everything, I always feel like I don't like you people complain on behalf of others, other people's image or to complain about something, right? I feel like it always has to come from the horse's mouth. 00:49:48:09 - 00:50:11:07 Unknown It's not like if your wife is the one to help or something, you can help. Come from other. Now we don't have to duplicate it. It's very easy to craft. You know does everything all right. Anyone is said everything what's going on. But they were also like the, the thing about if someone's complete it should come from them. 00:50:11:13 - 00:50:32:24 Unknown I think sometimes it's a bit easier said than done. Let's say, let's say if you have access, you have resources, you have a voice, then someone who might not have that access, then you have to speak up for them. Others. But in this case, they're both correct. I know, because you use it like, as you got older, you know, like your speech, your statement. 00:50:33:01 - 00:51:05:02 Unknown Yeah, probably not as as you could, you tell your kid, you know, you could tell your principal, you get that? It seems like, every time I see when I see post where someone is, you know, thinking, really, Big Joe, someone that makes them it's hum or, you know, complaining about how my name is, what it actually is someone else that cannot, you know, and you know that, I always get a, I always take a step back, like, okay, what's the intention that. 00:51:05:04 - 00:51:36:24 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's a bit, something we. Elizabeth. It's a bit weird, but, I thought this was a really interesting topic because of how emotive this post was. And, you know, but also then when you read, when you read a little bit further into the, into, you know, the spirit of the, the, the rule and everything and understanding why the rules that, think twice a little bit about how you, how you, how you are emotionally responding to the post. 00:51:36:24 - 00:51:58:08 Unknown And so. Yeah, exactly. So but I mean, I think you got a lot of sympathy, I mean, there are people on the other side also that. Right. So I'm not following him up, following it up as a business. Right. Yeah. What what exactly is, well, why can someone from a business be be that to operate the store? 00:51:58:10 - 00:52:23:09 Unknown Yeah. And does it need to be him or his wife doesn't appoint the nominee in accordance which yours. Thank you for that. I be thinking about that. Yeah. But, yeah, so, I mean, interesting. And, just to get precise thoughts about this. Oh. Anyone else? Because we know that even recently, someone reached out to us who has run a hooker stall, and wanted to chat more and all. 00:52:23:14 - 00:52:53:23 Unknown So, I mean, at some point, maybe we might bring on another hacker, but there's always already to share your thoughts. And we always appreciate people from the industries that we talk about, that share their thoughts. But yeah. And, share your thoughts. What is your one short comment? So there's, there's, comment like, on the latest, podcast episode on Reddit by, I guess, first time commenter because I haven't seen this comment before. 00:52:54:00 - 00:53:18:00 Unknown That, is hermit, underscore, underscore and e underscore below. Disagree with Terrence that it is end of term for the government and they have to spend the surpluses plus the handouts. Over the years they have been transferring surpluses to the reserve. And the so-called election budget has always been to sweeten the ground, just the the huge increase in cost of living here, partly caused by their own policies, have made them give out greater handouts, hopefully to change the minds of undecided voters. 00:53:18:02 - 00:53:45:19 Unknown We know those on both extreme ends aren't going to change their minds. It is overcompensating for a government that led to others saying you are government leaning would appreciate a more neutral, purely website which has been doing a good job thus far. Thank you, thank you. So Darren's, any thoughts, any statements? Any, any reflections? And getting that the court, you know, the philosopher, very famous philosopher Madonna. 00:53:45:21 - 00:54:12:19 Unknown You only see what your eyes want to see. I think in the sense you only hear what I want to hear because I think what I was trying to the point I was trying to make, was that, you know, the rule that, governments or places can be, can be carried over government, right? So it completely makes sense, no matter which government is a government, workers party, government or whatever, it commonly makes sense that they would want to to do a very election budget. 00:54:12:23 - 00:54:34:00 Unknown Right. And, you know, they if not the money just goes in the reserves. If you have the leeway to actually, do something and sweeten the budget, to make people feel good about the government, I think anyone would. That right. You know, whatever anyone would do that. You be silly. Not as part of your strategy. 00:54:34:02 - 00:54:52:12 Unknown So that's what I see. I'm not I wasn't I was pointing out that there literally is a law. There is a rule that you can't carry on the surpluses between government. And I was just trying to explain that, just trying to make sure that people don't think that it's just like, oh, this election office, let's just, let's just spend as much money as we want. 00:54:52:12 - 00:55:23:16 Unknown All right. I think that is, strategic. There is a strategic reason to be. But also, what the you know, the it's a logistical thing. Yeah, yeah, you can put it into the reserves and everything, but if you are running, if you are going to elections, would you wouldn't do that. Right. Yeah. So I mean in your defense I also feel like this one, the one is almost ascribing too much like like 95% of the intention of the hand out being because it's an election year. 00:55:23:18 - 00:55:39:22 Unknown Because I think the other aspect of it is also really and, and I think there are some like rubric or, calculations that determine how much they put in the reserves as well. It's not just up to like, oh, I think we should put as much a moment. I think there is something that kind of governs that also. 00:55:39:24 - 00:56:04:22 Unknown And it's tied to GDP and like the surpluses and stuff like that. So yeah, but I mean, thank you, thank you. So, for those who. Yeah, this is my what's your comment? I'm guessing it was you were going to respond to it also like one. Okay. Okay. In case you got miss, you want to respond with of of all things that, that people accuse me for, for being unbelieving. 00:56:05:03 - 00:56:23:11 Unknown Yeah. I didn't think that that was something that was, needed to be called as it deserved to be called. Yeah. It's really just saying that, you know, this is, it's by law. This is what it is. So. Okay, overcompensating or there is. 00:56:23:13 - 00:56:53:11 Unknown But then since you since you comments, I took it. Yeah. The same words on YouTube where the grace uses, talking about room. We talked about making making figures of, parliamentary, you know, political figures. Yeah. All right, so Grace is maybe someone should bring a little toy up Lawrence Wall in the form of a super hero figure in full flight away and keep, you know, CDC vultures flapping behind those. 00:56:53:11 - 00:57:19:06 Unknown I think last episode, we talked about Lawrence. One way that I advance the nuclear reactor and everything. Yeah, this one is about an interesting situation with Lawrence. One is where CDC vouches back. Well, there's a kid. It's quite funny. Who with cooler? Who can do this? Yeah. I don't know what the laws are around. Like what you can do with the identity of a public figure. 00:57:19:08 - 00:57:40:06 Unknown Unless, I mean, as long as you don't sell it, like, I guess, but with a friend, I guess, with your personal collection and everything. Yeah. You could be sued for defamation. It's like. No, but we make him, like, you know, CDC voucher keep. All right. Then then polio. But doesn't that. Yeah. These people can see that it's like this. 00:57:40:08 - 00:58:03:04 Unknown The very, like the whole process of giving us CDC vouchers as if, like, he's a superman who, you know, just those are, those are just this, actually. What are the rules? Because we so far know then he's like, weapon is like a guitar, you know, he's like that, but he turns it over and he glows. You know, the guitar of, of of of, the skies or something, 00:58:03:06 - 00:58:31:18 Unknown I don't know, but interestingly but I mean, I do feel that even if you wanted to make toys of Singaporean characters and all that, I wouldn't even default to making, political figures. But I would think of other, other heroes in our lifetime, like, Stamford Raffles, anything like that before. Or you, even Lee Kuan Yew, Lim Bo Seng, Lim Bo Seng, imposing Tan Howe Liang, Chinese people. 00:58:31:23 - 00:58:57:18 Unknown You c.kunalan sundramoorthy. Yeah. Fandi Ahmad. Like, dream team. Oh, fucking yeah. Oh, totally. Keep that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, man. And, what is your one? Sure thing? My one sure thing is, this movie, right, that I had no idea was even coming out until I recently heard it on some other news podcast. 00:58:57:24 - 00:59:26:22 Unknown It is this movie conclave. And I think he recently won, like, four BAFTAs. But basically. Right. It is a movie about, where the premise is the current pope, has passed on, and that is, the new pope that needs to be elected. So it is about the story of how all the other priests of the Catholic Church, come together and vote for the new pope. 00:59:26:24 - 00:59:53:11 Unknown And apparently, like, it's full of the drama and politics that actually happen. And I believe it was, written by Peter Straughan, which was based on a novel, by Robert Harris. So it's, it's it goes into the the behind the scenes of what actually happens when a new pope is voted, which, I mean, it's a very kind of, like, secretive thing. 00:59:53:16 - 01:00:07:17 Unknown Even last year when I went to Italy with my wife, we went to the, the Vatican. But we can't you cannot go into the Vatican. So what is this? What is this like? The society that no one has a real idea and you can only peek into it. So this this goes straight into the acting lineup. Is is insane. 01:00:07:17 - 01:00:28:23 Unknown Like Ralph Fiennes, Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow. And I'm like, oh, shit, this looks cool, man. This is cool. I hope you as well don't. That's true. I mean, that that I mean, it's a bit eerie that he just recently fell sick and it this movie comes out and he's about the voting of a new book. Yeah. So yeah, but as a, as a premise. 01:00:28:23 - 01:00:49:19 Unknown Right. I'm like, oh shit. I don't know whether it's rob people the wrong way. I can imagine, it pissing off a lot of people. Yeah. But yeah, it looks it looks pretty interesting. Yeah. Man. What about you? Mine is a YouTube video. There's, like, the gothic mob out how tech billionaires plans to destroy America. 01:00:49:21 - 01:01:14:10 Unknown It's a 30 minute video by by the channel Blond Politics. And, it's got like, 1.8 million views from three months ago. So it's basically a video that talks a little bit about because I think a lot, a lot of people now like myself, you know, trying to wrap our heads around how and how the billionaires also quickly coalesced around, Trump. 01:01:14:13 - 01:01:45:13 Unknown Right. Throwing that weight behind him. And now I'm not just talking about the obvious, the heads of the tech firms, but like, when you listen to podcasts like All In and, you know, other kind of very, tech or VC focused podcasts, they seem to be very, very into, into trouble, to almost like a very, quite concerning degree because, I mean, if you really think about what Musk was at one point in time, he was like, you know, he was meeting Obama. 01:01:45:13 - 01:02:09:15 Unknown He was talking about electric vehicles, you know, to save the world from climate change and all these things. He was, I think he said at one point he he denounced Trump. All right. Exactly. But the point was like, how did everything change? So quickly, and especially with all these billionaires you have. No, they have no worries in the world in terms of like, you know, the immediate needs. 01:02:09:18 - 01:02:39:18 Unknown Right. Or luxuries at all. Why is it that they all have suddenly just, you know so strong so far. Right. All these like so so fun people Trump. So this, this video is interesting because it goes into a lot of philosophy of what what people like Peter Thiel and the big tech billionaire since he can barely believe, like, you know, and they talk about, how a lot of them, following figures like, put his job in and reading his books and. 01:02:39:20 - 01:03:07:14 Unknown And who's Curtis Irvin? So, yeah, I think he's a, and and, someone who thinks a lot about technology and how how it effects, democracy and everything about. Right. I can't remember exactly what, but that there is the idea that I think Peter Thiel is the others where democracy just doesn't work. And then, you know, the, the human humanity should be arranged, their own like, almost like tech feudalism, like, oh. 01:03:07:14 - 01:03:26:08 Unknown Is it or the network state learned the networks that, the networks that subscribe to a certain kind of ideology, you know, and then you choose to go to that, that you should stay and then then you should that the network state has its own army and its own food supply, whatever, to take care of it. So, yeah. 01:03:26:10 - 01:03:53:09 Unknown So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of discussions of how a lot of billionaires have they've started to believe that. And every one of them, you know, can sort of, fall in line in some ways, like it's, it's quite, interesting. Listen, even if you, even if you're, if you like Trump and you think that, you know, there's a lot of inefficiencies in the world that maybe you had a question to ask is why all the billionaires so, so ready to jump on the Trump train? 01:03:53:11 - 01:04:17:22 Unknown So this is a roundtable discussion with a few no, no, no no it's not. Oh she takes clips from oh I see, I see. So so I think that's interesting because now a lot a lot of content that people actually, defensive is from podcasts and all that. And you need to spend a lot of time listening to podcast, listening to music, hearing what people see and then juxtaposing it and what others are saying. 01:04:17:22 - 01:04:41:16 Unknown Right. That, I think pretty well, well, yeah, this video came out already even I think it came out November 14th. November 14th. She was really it was not like she was responding to Trump's first month in office, or whether she was really seeing how the billionaires were or just gathering around Trump. And, very interesting. 01:04:41:20 - 01:05:02:23 Unknown And, you know, where the term duck, duck gothic maga comes from. Actually, Elon Musk said it at a Trump rally. He was wearing a black. Yeah. He described himself as dark gothic MAGA. I mean, it really. You saw it yesterday. He met the Argentinian leader who gave him a fucking chainsaw as a gift. Really? Yeah. Because he's cutting the fat of bureaucracy. 01:05:03:00 - 01:05:23:01 Unknown Like, what the hell, man? Like, oh, yeah. It's just it's just crazy. Oh, shit. Yeah. If we're going to watch that. So, But. Yeah. Cool, cool. So that's what, a week, man. Remember next Tuesday, 25th February at 9 p.m., we will be releasing the tickets for our next live show, limited tickets. 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