Back with you on Exus and Bros. Welcome to the second hour of the program by Matt Sheppard. Trent Vallely is our producer and call us at the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three or text the program sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I teased the fact that I want you to think of the best four players athletes, doesn't matter the sport or have them from different sports in the local programs. We're going to get to
that, I promise. It's something that I want to do, but we're not going to do it right now. I want you to give you a little bit of time to think about who those athletes would be at the various schools. Justin Rochester. Who joins at eight thirty five, So we'll get to that in the eight o'clock hour. I want to I want to talk a little bit about the top Well we don't have to discuss this long, but I want to ask you, Trent, where you think Miguel Cabrera ranks
in ESPN's Top twenty five players in the twenty first century. Widely considered one of the greatest right handed hitters of all time, right where do you think he ranks among players not abounds hitters of players eight? Wow, I would have guessed higher. He ranks fourth. Okay, okay, that's I I actually that makes me happy. I thought they were going to undervalue him. Who do you think is won? Ah? Gosh, that's so hard. I mean, they didn't put strout there, did they? No? But
why do you say it like that, like he doesn't deserve it? I mean I don't know. It's I didn't that was no shade intended. Uh. Did they put Jeter? No? Jeter wouldn't be wouldn't qualify long enough. Albert Poolholes. Okay, they put pool Holes one Trout too. Here's my issue. Clayton Kershaw three. Now, he's won three sign Young's, he's been an MVP, he's a ten time All Star, he's won five ERA titles, he's a triple Crown winner, he's won a Gold Glove,
He's thrown a no hitter. I don't want to throw in trends words shade on Clayton Kershaw, but we are nitpicking among the greatest players, so certain things have to come into play. Cabrera has won two MVPs consecutive. By the way, He's won a triple Crown, first one to do that since Carl U Strimsky. He's a twelve time All Star. He's won seven Silver Seluggers. He's won four batting titles. He's won a World Series two. He's also one of just three players in the history of the sport to have
three thousand hits, five hundred homers, six hundred doubles. Something to be said for that, don't you think? Well? Yeah, but are are we sure that Clayton Kershaw is even the best pitcher of the twenty first century? Hmm, good question. Would you have big game now in their prime not now in their prime? Kershaw or Verlander? Verlander? And I'm glad you said that because I just brought up both of their resumes, because I'm kind of stacking them up looking at each other. I think Verlanders is more
impressive. Am I crazy? JV's got the two rings, He's got three, Cy Young's, He's got an MVP. What does Kershaw have that Verlander doesn't? Verlanders led the league strikeouts five times, Kershaw's only done it three times. Verlander's got two no hitters, Kershaw's got one. They both have a triple Crown same year. Oddly enough era title, Kershaw's got five, Verlander's got two, so that's quite a uh feather in Kershaw's cap. I
don't know. I just I don't even. I like where you're going with this, where Miggy should maybe be a little bit higher in front of Kershaw. But I also don't even I'm not even convinced Clayton Kershaw. And I'm a Clayton Kershaw fan, by the way, are you. Yeah, it goes back to the whole Stafford connection as a kid. I just thought that was cool and I liked it. But I would say Verlinder ten times out of ten? Do you think Verlader will get to three hundred wins? Yes,
if he wants to. Because the way he's prolonged his career, I think Verlander can play another two three years, which is crazy. I mean, he's doing this. I don't want to just throw out a hole and Ryan, but I'm just comparing it to the age. I mean, Verlander's forty one years old right now, you can play another two three years? I think, Yeah, what's he at like two sixty? Yeah, let me look that up real quick. Okay. I think, first of all, I don't think. I don't think he'll get to three hundred, which
is fine. It doesn't, you know, kind of by by any stretch. It does not hurt his Hall of Fame career. I just I just bring that up because I think he has a lot more wins. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I think he's got a lot more wins than Clayton Kershaw, and he's got a lot more wins than Max Schurz or two. Yeah, for the record, Clayt Kershaw has two hundred and ten wins. Verlanders is at two sixty, so you nailed it, Okay, fifty more. Yeah, I just I just don't. I don't see him getting to
three hundred. I just don't, now that I see it in front of me, I guess I don't either. I thought he was a little closer to seventy ish, but he's not. That still would take an awful lot. You'd have to win. Obviously you can do the math, but you'd have to two have at least two more good seasons of fifteen wins. I just don't don't. I don't know if that's I shouldn't say possible, because
it obviously is possible. I mean Justin Verlander has done that. Plenty wins can be mis misleading for major league pitchers, right, But Verlander hasn't had fifteen or more since twenty twenty two, and he's only done that twice since twenty nineteen some issues. So it's on the board, but not likely. Is that fair? He averages seventeen in his career, He's not gonna He's not going to reach double digits this year, and that will be three consecutive
years where he doesn't reach double digits. I just don't see that. I just don't see him getting to three hundred. But that again, it doesn't mean he hasn't had a Hall of Fame career. I was just kind of hopeful that we would see another three hundred game winner. We will probably never see one again in our lives, unfortunately. But Verlanders at seven, just so you know, At eight is Alex Rodriguez, At nine is David Ortiz, at ten is Max Scherzer. Eleven is Adrian Beltray, who I think
is too low. So Chelley unbelievable player. Three Tigers from the twenty thirteen or twenty twelve team that went to the World Series in the top ten isn't that something? Yeah, it is. The rest I think are pretty well in line. Jeters at twelve, Rivera is at thirteen. He's ahead of Shovie Otani, who will leapfrog a lot of these players if given the longer resume. Mookie Bets is fifteen, Bryce Harper sixteen. I'm a huge Harper
fan. He doesn't have the ring and that hurts him, but he has won two MVPs, He's been Rookie of the Year, eight time All Star, three times Silver Slugger Championship Series, MVP, Home Run Derby champ. Doesn't mean squad to me, but the other accolades are right there. Roy Halliday is seventeen, Pedro Martinez eighteen, Buster Posing nineteen, and Zach Granki twenty. Pretty good list, pretty solid. I'd take Randy Johnson over Zach greenk anyway, I'm with you, Chef. I think if I had a
gripe with the list, that would beat towards the top. Yeah, but it's good debate. Yeah, and let's not act like four for Miggie's a slouch, but I think we made a pretty good case for him. Agreed. When we come back, A sline ball is getting rewarded unfortunately, and Team USA has another too close for comfort call as they tune up for Paris. That's coming up on Axes and Bros. On a Tuesday morning across the great state of Michigan, Bill Simonson here for my good friend Josh Garvey.
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slimeball? Why do you think we do that? And then we write about him? And I'm guilty because I'm gonna sit here and talk about it. August twenty seventh. Michigan football fans who despise Connor Stallions, who blame him for right or wrong, for Jim Harbaugh's suspension, a hiccup and stress full situation for their football team last year, is getting rewarded. He's going to
appear in one of three new episodes of Untold on Netflix. Three sports stories that quote unquote, quoting to Netflix go beyond the headlines, the murder of Steve McNair, the sign stealing of Connor Stallions. So this guy breaks the rules, allegedly allegedly breaks the rules, and he's going to get rewarded for it. They're going to give him a platform, yeah, to tell his
side of the story. I think it's ridiculous he hasn't people gave him the opportunity to tell his side of the story, or we wanted to give him an opportunity, couldn't necessarily quote unquote find him. He had money dollar signs in his eyes the whole time. The other untold by the way, his
hope solo against US Soccer, not that they anybody cares. How do you feel about this with Connor Stallion's whether you like Michigan or support them or not not, just so you know, this will be the first time he shares his views since resigning from his role in November of a year ago. Yeah, and that's why I think it's a terrible look because I don't know, maybe I'm reaching here, But if Michigan doesn't win the national title, is
he going to say anything about it? Trent Michigan is still being investigated by the NC double A. I know no one wants to say it, no one wants to talk about it, but it's true. It is, it's happening. It's not like the NC Double A is swift in their investigations. Still, how do you get something like this? Do you care? Like will you watch it. You may not like it, you may disagree with it, you may shake your head head that he's getting paid for it,
but you're gonna watch it, guaranteed. Yep. Sports fans in this state, whether they like Michigan or not, whether they support the program or not, whether they believe it was cheating or not, they will watch. And Yet during the entire time those people, I suppose those who don't program were kind of chuckling, but those who do support the program that they wanted him
out. He was the pariah. But they're going to watch it. Why, we want validation on whether or not we were right, and we want to be able to grind our teeth, make a fist, lower our brow and scream at the guy saying I knew it was all you if you supported Harbaugh in the first place. We have really lowered the bar. Maybe this is too deep, but in our media society, we have really lowered the bar. It's not recent. I mean it's been going on for a while
now. Hell it happened with OJ Simpson for crying out loud. But we've really lowered the bar in terms of, you know, the content that we want to provide to people and rewarding bad people. Now, Netflix would argue, and before this airs August twenty seventh, we'll try to get a producer on from Netflix about this, because I do want to. I do want to ask them some tough questions. I think it's important, it's important for our audience. So I promise you we're gonna start looking at that. We'll
get a producer from untold on Netflix. We'll do the best we can to do just that before the air date of August twenty seventh, but we're gonna ask them about why you provide this platform for a guy who broke the rules. You know what the answer to that is, right, Well, we get eyeballs. We're gonna get people watching this. This is not just Michigan based fans. This is going to be a college football fans. They want to know. Look, people from Ohio State, this is important for them
too. They want to be able to say, you know what Harbaugh did cheat, We told you Conner Stallions did something at the direction of I don't know if that matters. I don't know if the NCAA. I don't know if it will matter to them. I don't know if it will matter to the Michigan fans. You're not taking that national championship away. It's always theirs. They tried to do it in the past, right, They've tried to do with other teams. They tried to do with USC, they tried to
do with Louisville and Basketball twenty thirteen. It doesn't make Michigan the runner up the national champion. Louisville still promotes the fact that they won the national championship. If I were in charge of that program, I'd do the same thing. So you're not taking the championship away. You're not bringing Jim Harbaugh back to ann Arbor. All you're doing is justifying one person's belief or another. If there's one person who thought all on they cheated, then this might prove
to them as that elixir that says, yes they did. If you didn't believe that they cheated. How you read into this, And depending on what the Netflix series shows untold what it shows, maybe you go see told you we shouldn't have been penalized, but you tried to take it away from us and you failed anyway. So there's all those things I think are part of it. Is there any part of you that looks at this from a Connor Stallion standpoint and says, well, I'm out. I don't think I'm ever
going to get another job in football. I'm not going to work for the University of Michigan, that's for certain. I got to make my money while I can't. Yeah, they're paying him to do this. They I mean, they're they're paying him a shiny penny. I would have to imagine. Yeah, but is there a part of you that says, you know what, I get it make the money sure, because I think anyone who says they were if they were in his exact situation and they wouldn't do it,
I think that's hypocritical. Agreed. It bothers me, and I think it bothers a lot of people. Sounds like it bothers you too. Yeah, it seems like dirty money. I'm not talking about crime or anything. I'm just saying like, it just feels like, kind of like you said, Shep, you opened it with slimeball scum, like you cheated and now we're gonna give you a platform to tell your story and you're gonna make money on it. Right, here's my issue, and I throw myself in this.
I love crime stories. I love movies about the mob. Those people are despicable people, and we reward them, don't we. Some of those people who have told their stories, they've gotten money off it. Name some of those flicks, Name some of those series guaranteed that they made money off it. So how is this any different? Do you like certain Godfather like movies?
And if you do, and you know that, I'm not saying all of them, but certain movies like that, whether it be Donnie Brasco or Goodfellas or whatever, somebody's getting some money off that that you know, kind of gave all the information based on a true story, and it ain't that much. The integrity is pretty low. So I'm as guilty as anybody with that, and I'll be guilty as as hypocritical here too, because I'll probably watch it and in part watch it because we're gonna probably gonna talk about it
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Lackadaisical. They don't seem very interested, do they not? Right now? But I'm not gonna worry. It's exhibition. They are the best players in the world. They are the best team in the world. I know it bothers fans, and I understand the disinterest, the ego perhaps, and you know, the spearhead of the whole thing, the the flag bear for the team. All that's it's Lebron James and a lot of people don't like him. He's pretty polarizing, so I understand the frustration. But no, to
answer your question, chip. They don't seem very interesting right now, When does it become concerning to you? If it's not now, So you're here's what I'm reading into this, And that's why I ask you the question because
I don't I don't want to assume anything. Sure, if it's not concerning now where you beat the Sudan by a point and you were favored by over forty and it's not concerning that you had too many lapses in a four point win over Germany, they have to lose in order for you to be concerned. Yeah, I know that sounds really really shallow, but yeah, if they lose in match play or in group play coming up here in a week,
then I'll be concerned. And for the record, I think they're gonna win every single game in this Olympics by double digits on route the gold. I still believe that. I'm not going to debate you on that. I think that's a solid bet. I think they're going to beat the South Sudan, like I said, by at least thirty And I guess that's just my point, sheep is I don't They're going to flip that switch and they'll be just fine. That's why I'm not going to get bent out of shape about
group play and exhibitions. Although I do understand the frustration, I'm just not going to go there. Well I don't. I don't know what the point is scheduling them then is. And I'm not saying Germany's a bad team. And you have Franz Wagner's on there, he had eighteen, Dennis Schrader, who's a former NBA player. Yeah, Daniel Pace, big fella shoots threes. He's an NBA player. Well, yeah, I mean they've got some good players, don't get me wrong. They move the ball well, they
seem to have really good defense. They do have four current NBA players. But I will say this, in watching Steph Curry, and he's the greatest shooter of all time, I'm stunned at how poorly he has shot the ball in the last couple of games. He was awful against the Sudan, and yesterday every time I watched him at clank clank, he went one for seven from deep. He had just thirteen points. What do you have twelve fourteen the other day against the Sudan. It's a little surprising. Yeah. Again,
I just believe to answer your question earlier. You schedule these games because you do want in some capacity, you want these guys to play together. And that's kind of what you hear Lebron saying in the huddles and stuff. Hey it's only our third game together. I don't know. I it does feel like they're just going through them all right now? Does Germany had the lead going into the fourth quarter? I know that's the second straight game.
I mean, and Lebron James, you could talk about his polarization and you're correct about that, including with me. But against the Sudan he hits the game winning bucket, finishes at twenty three, and yesterday made some big buckets down the stretch, eight points down the stretch, finished with twenty points six sports for US. This, Yes, it's incredible. I don't know how
to read into this. I don't know if I should be saying it's incredible that the thirty nine year old can do that, or that Team USA is relying on the thirty nine year old. You know, for what it's worth too, they did they took a poll. Did you see this? They took a poll and all the players on Team USA voted for who the best player on the team was and they voted Lebron. Well, Anthony Edwards got a vote. You probably voted for himself. Yeah, I don't know that
for sure, but well, that doesn't surprise me. I think a lot of that's out of respect, but I do believe that's true. I don't know how you know how I feel about Anthony Davis. I think he's been really good. I didn't notice him a ton yesterday, which is a little odd. Uh. And Joel Embiid, who I thought was was yeah, because Davis got to follow trouble, right, But Joel Embiid was a guy who I've been a little disappointed with, and he's a guy who needs to
He just needs to be better. Period. Well. I also I also think, sorry, go ahead, I was just gonna say, but you're right, there's no reason to be overly concerned with this team. I do. These games, these tune up games, sure seem like to the players they feel like they're meaningless. You know what it feels like to me,
he can't wait for the night life, you know what I mean? Maybe it's and that's a good point, it feels like to me, And maybe it's just because I'm watching Bill Raft recall the games and it's on Fox. It feels like a college team that's kind of ranked in the top ten all season and they have a couple of close games down the stretch, but then when March hits, they turn that corner. I think next week is your
March for Team USA. That's I just I. I know it sounds entitled, in cocky, whatever you want to call it, but I do think they're going to wake up and eventually just be like, Yeah, we're the best. We're the best country in the world at this sport. This is our sport, this is our game. You might have a Yannis on Greece or a Jokic for Serbia, but at the end of the day, we got fifteen NBA players and we're going to kick your butt. Yeah. I
mean I that that hasn't always worked, as we all know. But I would say in World Cup play more or World Championship played more so than the Olympics. But I do believe if they struggle, and I don't think they will, but if they if they do struggle, this is where fans go. See, this is why you needed to care a little bit more in those exhibition games. If they don't struggle then that people are gonna say, what's the point of those exhibition games? They really weren't that big of a
deal. Let me get to some techs because I know we've got some techs out there. Fire away and you can text the program sports radio to twenty one thousand. Yeah. We'll backtrack a little bit to our discussion about Michigan football and Connor Stallion's this. Texas says, in the last twenty seven years, Michigan football has one and a half championships and only the half one is legit. Now, I don't agree with that. I don't think Sheep does
either, because you can't take the banner away from them. The NCAA is not going to do that. But I do think there are a lot of fans out there that feel this way. Am I wrong? Uh No, I think you're right about that. What makes it illegitimate? Well, that's that's what I'm saying. I agree with you. I don't think it's legitment. They're gonna You're gonna tell me, look signs stealing. This is a slippery slope. This happens in baseball two. Is it part of the game
or is it taboo? I think most people would agree it's part of the game. How you, Yeah, it's how you It's how you get those signs. It seems very odd to me during this whole thing that Michigan or specifically hard About wouldn't know what was going on. Now here's what else want I ask you. If you recall there is a belief and a report that Ohio State was stealing them and giving them to Iowa and other teams were doing the same thing. You know, I don't think it's an illegitimate championship.
I think football especially I'm not justifying what was done by any stretch. Okay, it's bs. Here's what I always ask people. You go into a stadium, how many people have phones? Every single person? How many people could be rolling on those phones while somebody is indicating signs to a defense or an offense. In theory, every single person right could be So that's always a possibility. Number one. Number two. The other thing about football,
you are constantly making adjustments. It's never ending in a game. That's why they go to the tab, the tablet on the sidelines to check it out and see what they need to do to adjust and readjust and every team by the way changes their signals. Have you ever noticed you've got an offensive coordinator any sandwiched by two of the backup quarterbacks. Yeah, one wearing a red jersey, maybe one wearing an orange jersey, one wearing a green cap,
another one wearing a red cap. Whatever. One of those guys is giving you the signals, the other guy's not, and then in the second half perhaps they switch. So there's a lot of different things that go on in a football game that we're not always privy to. But I'll guarantee you this is a guarantee that signals are constantly being changed. Again, not justifying it, just saying teams are always adjusting on the fly in that sport. Let's
go to another text. This texter says, let's not pretend Stallions is the victim here and the only one who benefited from the cheating. The university benefited by playing in title game money players also did merch, et cetera. I think that's an interesting angle. Yeah, I'm not saying that he is the only one. I just for for a guy who did this, this will be an interesting view. But for a guy who did this and admitted to to get rewarded is a little bothersome, that's all. And that's a different
that's a different angle, and I respect it. Yeah, yeah, I just that's here. Let's let me ask you this, chef. So I I don't think the title is illegitimate. I'm not gonna go there, but I do think it's totally okay for fans to not respect Jim Harbaugh and not respect that program anymore if they did beforehand, you know what I mean. I think I have no problem with that. Well, the program one thing. I mean, I suppose Harbaugh is a different thing. And yes,
I understand where that mindset comes from. I guess my question would be if a guy says I didn't I didn't order that, he didn't get paid by us to do that, We didn't pay for any of that, you're you just don't believe him, right, right, that's what you're saying. So you're saying, no matter what, no matter what he says, as in Harbaugh, who's a different cat man, but you're gonna say I don't believe him period. Well, I just I'm with you. I don't see how
there's any way he didn't know about this in some capacity. And that's where I also I don't know this this counter Stallion's what's it called untold, this documentary that's coming up. What are we gonna learn? We're gonna learn anything, any anything of substance. I should say, well, I sure hope we do, like, like what what are we going to But that's what the untold story is supposed to, you know, reveal what that's what it
is. I mean, if all we're gonna hear is the stuff that he's already said, it doesn't fall into the category of on to told well, we're not gonna hear him come out and say, oh I had Harbaugh's help with this or why not. I just don't think I mean, if he did, I mean, that's the untold part of it. Yeah, I agree with I completely agree with you, and I know that that's what this documentary in theory is supposed to shed light on. I just don't think it's
gonna happen. I don't think we're gonna get anything. We're not gonna walk away from that documentary and be like, oh, so that's why they did it or that's how they did it. So that'll be more frustrating for me than anything else. Right, that's the case, because then nothing is untold number one and number two. What you're looking for is for clarification, not
justification. I'm looking for clarification. If Harbaugh's behind it, and people then can justify the belief that it's an illegitimate chanceapionship if he doesn't, if he's not behind it, would that make you say, all right, I believe him. I don't know if that's how people feel or not. My guess is this that will stick with Jim Harbaugh from his detractors for the rest of his career. Yep, it won't matter. It won't matter what Connor Stallion
says. All right. One more text before we hit a break, Texas says, the ninety two Dream Team average margin of victory in the first three games was like forty eight points per game. This team, ain't it agreed on I'm I'm glad you texted that. Thank you. I said that the other day. I said it. A couple of weeks ago. We had an article out there where somebody had the goal to say, this team that has assembled this year is among the is could be the greatest of all time.
And I wouldn't say I went off, but I was pretty pissed. You weren't happy. I was really pissed. Okay, you go to the Olympics. Team USA beat Argentina one sixteen to forty eight. They beat Croatia one o three to seventy. They blew out Germany one eleven to sixty eight. They smoked Brazil one twenty seven to eighty three, dominated Spain, which was good, one twenty two to eighty one, blew out Puerto Rico one fifteen seventy seven, opened up a can on Lithuania one twenty seven to seventy
six, and then embarrassed Croatia one seventeen to eighty five. You know what they did. They did what everybody thought they would do. They dominated them. And before you get to well, I mean, they really wasn't that big of a deal. And this is just a warm up. Here's the
scores from the nineteen ninety two Dream Teams warm ups. You ready, one thirty six to fifty seven, one oh five to sixty one, one twelve to fifty two, one twenty eight to eighty seven, one nineteen to eighty one, and one twenty seven to eighty that's in the Tournament of the Americas. The point differential seventy nine, forty four, eighty or sixty rather forty one, thirty eight, forty seven. You think they trailed going into the fourth quarter in any of those games? No, you think they were down
at the break, of course not. You think they scored forty four points and a half. Come on, can I ask you this right before we go to break here? Group play starts on Sunday. All right, team, you'll say, plays an eleven fifteen. They're starting off against Serbia. That's yolkich. If they beat, if they if they start through group play and they win every game by twenty plus, will you be satisfied? Yes?
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