All right, second out of the program. Glad You're Widows, Dexas and Bros. Monday through Friday, sixth till nine. Full question is out there for you. Is it time to start questioning the iSER plan? It's okay. It doesn't mean you don't believe in him. It doesn't take anything away from his greatness. It doesn't mean that you don't admire him as a Hall of fame leader for the Red Wings for decades and a winner of multiple Stanley
Cups. We have certain idols in sports, and if those idols aren't constantly living up to what we thought they would be, doesn't mean that you no longer consider them an idol. Mine was Alan Trammel. Loved watching him play. Used to go to Tiger Stadium with my father and I would strictly watch Trammel all the time. That's all I did, Like I wouldn't watch anybody else. I'm watching him, his movements, all the things he did as he did them, and then I would try to understand, and then I
would do the same thing as a kid. He became Tiger's manager and it was an utter failure. Tough situation, not great talent, but you get the point. Didn't mean that he was no longer my idol. I had him as an idol as a player, not as a manager. I don't know many kids who grow up thinking a certain manager is their idol. Gee, I want to be just like Gene Mak. No, you don't. You're looking at the players, not the managers. Steve Eiserman is one of
the greatest Red Wings of all time. It's no doubt about that. You'd say he's top top five. I mean, you look at Gordy Howe, you look at Nick Lidstrom, you look at Ted Lindsay, look at Sergei Federov. Steve Eisman's in there, all those names, and as a general manager he's widely respected and rightfully so help him build what he did in Tampa, and that's a machine. For the most part. It's been a while
here in Detroit. If you think that his plan is stalled or is off track, it's not a knock on him as a player, or if you used to idolize him when he was a player. Great GMS. I don't know if he's considered great, but like I said, he's highly respected. Great GMS. Great coaches oftentimes get questioned. You don't think people questioned Bill Belichick. Look at the situation at the end of Tom Brady's career in New
England. Absolutely people turned on Belichick to a certain extent. You don't think people questioned Chuck Daly and Detroit Sparky Anderson eventually went away from the Tigers. Bill Lejoy, who built that team, eventually went away from the Tigers. Dave Dombrowski, who built the Tigers, and then the Phillies were not right away, but I mean went to different teams. Now in charge of the
Phillies, he went away from the Tiger. It's going to happen. So please don't feel like, oh my gosh, my loyalty is to iserim In because of all the great memories he gave me when he played and captained this team. I'm asking you to look at things objectively, and I'm asking you do you think his plan is something you can still buy into? And part of that is The Red Wings yesterday signed Tyler Mott, a twenty nine year
old who played at the University of Michigan. Played for the national team development program, got a scholarship, went to the University of Michigan, played three years there, drafted by the Chicago Blackhawks in the fourth rout of the twenty thirteen raft. It took him a year to get to the NHL, and when he did get there, he played thirty three games. The next year.
Next two years really up and down a little bit. Traded to Columbus, Minimal success in Columbus, minimal success in Vancouver, minimal success in Ottawa and with the Rangers and Tampa and now he's in Detroit. It's a feel good moment because he's a Saint Clair, Michigan kid or guy. That's awesome.
But where does he fit and how much of this was expected? The plan many people thought in order to get to the playoffs was to build something from within, sprinkling some veterans and then, as he said, he didn't want it to be just a one year deal. He wanted this to be sustainable. His goal, his expectation, was to build the Red Wings in
this rebuild and keep them playoffs sustainable. Do you view that with their goalie situation and with now they're forwards, see defensively, there's still a piece away at least one. You're not sold. Don't tell me you're sold on it. You're not there's no way that you're looking at this team right now.
And I'm not saying this is a finished product. Okay, there's still time to make some changes, but as of right now, because of the poll question, as of right now, you're not sold on Ben Sharat and Eric Gustafson and Justin Hole and Olimda, Jeff Petrie and most Cider. Defensively, I'm assuming Simon ed and soon it's going to make the team that would be seven William Lagerson. I don't know, I'm not I'm not, I'm not positive on that, but it's it doesn't leave you with a great feeling.
Offensively, your top six Larkin, Raymond to brink It, Cain, Rasmussen, Comfort, it's the same six as last year. And then you want depth. You've got cop Fabrey Voleno, Bergram, Christian Fisher just signed the one year deal. You need another now, Tyler Mott. Is that the assumption? Is it going to be Carter Maser, like Max Boltman just talked to us about from the athletic Is it Marco Casper, is it Taro Hiroshi?
I mean, I'm not sure who who'll be, but that's that's that wasn't the plan that you thought it was going to be, nor me we expected it's I wasn't gonna say Marcia so or Stamkos or someone of that ilk, but don't kid yourself. You did expect more than what you have right now. So that's the reason I ask about the iSER plan. And you could vote as an officials like on Twitter on x follows on ex'es and bros. So it's to me. And I know a lot of people don't get
into talking a lot about hockey. I understand that, but I do believe there's something to be said about Eisaman and his vision for this team. I think we're coming up on a huge formative year for the Wings. And the reason I say that is because shep you talk about this team largely standing pat even that last trade. That line, right, I mean, the wheels kind of came off when Larkin got hurt and everyone looked at Eiserman and to his credit, there's two ways to look at it. He didn't really panic,
he didn't make too many moves or anything like that. But that's when the wheels came off. Other than that, the team was a playoff team for the most most of the last season, so I think this is really going to tell a lot about the iSER plan as we call it this season. Yeah, I'm hoping. Look, we all want young players to make the next step. So if Jonathan Bergan can make that next step, do
we even is this even a discussion? I mean, here's a guy who last year in Grand Rapids had over a point a game in twenty four goals in fifty three games, fifty six points overall, and he was on the plus side of things. That's pretty damn good, right, You'd like his power playing numbers to be up a little bit, but I'm not sure how much he played on the power play. Carter Mazer didn't have mad offensive skills.
Marco Casper didn't have mad offensive skills either, So if they're not doing it at the AHL level, can you really expect him to contribute a ton at the NHL level? In other words, they're bottom six forwards. The hope was that you were going to get a top six forward. Well, my question would be who are they filling in for? Is it instead of
Comfort? Is it instead of Rasmussen? Is it instead of Kine? I haven't seen it, Thus wondering whether or not you're buying in still on the iSER plant eleven after the hour quick timeout, then some NFL discussion on the other side on Exis and Bros. Bill Simonson. Here for my good friend Josh Garvey. Now he's a managing shareholder at Torn may Who's Grand Rapids office. Their world headquarters are in Troy, Michigan, on the east side of
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just saw somebody tweet something out not too long ago. They said, this was less than two years ago. How did he fall off a cliff so fast? It was in regards to Ryan McNeil of the New York Mets and how he has fallen so quickly. But he was representing Team USA in the World Baseball Classic. And what I say, Ryan mc mean, Jeff McNeil, I'm sorry. Jeff McNeil is now hitting just two sixty seven for New York and people are wondering, you know, what the hell happened to a
guy who was a three hundred hitter regularly. Just a couple of years ago, hitting three twenty six, right, did he not win a batting title? I thought he won a batting title. Did Jeff McNeil win a batting title? I thought he did. I'll check on that. Yeah, I'm gonna have to look that up. I thought he did. For the Mets guy who got on basin off a lot. He did. He won it in twenty twenty two where he was an All Star. So just a couple
of years ago. We were just talking about Tim Anderson and how it's fallen off for Tim am And I know, hitting is hard, it's really difficult. And you follow social media, you follow certain sports gurus if you will, or people who put up different sports posts. And there was a story about a guy who is caddying for a scratch golfer and another guy who was on and off on tour and some of the going through their round a little
bit and just mentioning golf is really hard. Hitting is really hard. Hitting a baseball is exceptionally difficult. Tim Anderson and Jeff McNeil are two guys who were at the pinnacle of their careers not long ago, and now they are struggling now. McNeil hasn't been released, Anderson has by Miami. How does it leave you so quickly? It's not like you're super old. As I said earlier, Tim Anderson's thirty one years old. Jeff McNeil's thirty two years
old. It's funny, I said, Ryan McNeil. You know who Ryan McNeil is, right, Ryan McNeill's the former Lions cornerback who played at Miami. Oh boy, Yeah, And I believe I believe you can correct me if I'm wrong here. I believe he was a first round pick. I remember when that took place. You're like, this is awesome way to go anyway, that just caught my eye. So twenty three after the hour, just to put a rap on the Red Wings discussion, we were talking about
what they you know, our poll question, the iSER plan. Are you out? When you read some of these articles on again, there's still time in free agency. Names are falling by the wayside, but there are time. There's still time in free agency, and there's times to make a move. So it's hard to judge somebody's off season when the off season isn't complete yet. But as of right now, it's been a little disappointing. Read this in the Athletic. This is a national perspective, not Max Boltman.
They had winners and losers of free agency, and among the losers red Wings. And here's what they write. The off season is far from over. It's gotten off to an underwhelming start. See that's well put. It's not that it's been a massive disappointment. It's just been underwhelming. I've never been one of those guys who believes it's Oh, it's got to be about the big name. Sometimes the name of the guy who you bring in fits a specific role and completes a specific need. I'm okay with that. In other
words, I don't mind role players. And perhaps that's what Steve Eisman has done. Cam Talbot probably would he be there. One goalie, we'll see, he's got to win it. But when you think of great goalies in the NHL right now, you don't, Sorry, you don't think of Cam Talbot, Tyler Mott again, a secondary piece, Gustafson kind of a secondary piece. But if they fit that role, if it's exactly what you needed. You needed a stabilizing force with most cider, you needed a stabilizing force.
Now that you've lost Gosta Spear on the power play. You needed a back six forward who plays with some sandpaper. Okay, I mean if those are your guys and that's what you felt you need and you addressed it, I'm cool with that. It doesn't have to be the big name with the big contract associated with that big name. Anyway. The Athletic Rights that Jake Woman contract dump was an misstep, but one that could be forgotten with the
right corresponding moves. That explains why management needed to open up the cap space. Those moves haven't happened yet. There you go. Those two sentences are perfectly placed. It continues Detroit missed out on free agents like Matt Roy he signed that six year deal in Washington, who could have elevated its blue line after a Subtracting woman Eric Gustafson in place of Sean Gostaspeir is a pretty lateral
move. Extending Patrick Kaine should give them a boost, especially after he has a full, healthy offseason to train, but management has yet to identify a David Peran replacement back in goal. The camp. Talbot's signing crowds decrease unless the plan is to move out one of the existing contracts. Red Wings showed so much promise last season. Management just has yet to punch up this roster and build on it. There's still a lot of time to make that happen,
but maybe it's time to start questioning. The eyes are planned. You know what that says to me, shep I think, whoever wrote this article, you said, it's the athletic. Yeah, it's it's the it's the athletic. It's a national perspective, right so, I think from the outside looking in, I think people understand that the Wings are right there. They're on the they're on the porch. You know, they're ready to make a run. And like I said earlier, they were firmly in playoff position last
season before Larkin got hurt. So to push back, for lack of a better term, I think running it back with that same core and just hoping guys stay healthy and hoping most Cider and Lucas Raymond maybe take a step. I don't think that's a bad plan necessarily. I'm curious to see what the results of the poll question are. I am too. I don't like the plan. I don't like the let's hope. I want proven pieces a couple of years ago was to brink it. I'm not saying you need in another
Alex to brink it. And if you just filled in the David Peran absence, are you back to where you were a year ago. I want somebody who's going to be a difference maker. If you don't feel like it's needed offensively, that's fine, because as I mentioned earlier, maybe it's a Carter Mazer, Maybe it's a Marco Casper who gets an opportunity, and I want that. I kind of like their top six. I'm okay with their top
six. My issue is defensively, I don't think I don't think any of us, and if you're not going to have a league goaltender, you better have some really good defensive I don't think any of us are completely comfortable with what they have defensively. Now. Is there a trade coming for a guy like Jacob Truba, for example, That's great. That's why to a certain
extent, I want to reserve judgment. But I think it's okay to say I'm a little concerned right now, or I'm a little confused and underwhelmed, as the Athletic put it to suggest what the iSER plant truly is and if it's coming to fruition. Phone number on the Meyer Hotline is eight sixty six eight three forty eight forty three. Text line is sports rated to twenty one thousand. When we come back, how do you win the NFL's NFC North
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six after the hour, Welcome back Texas and Bros. Monday through Friday from six until nine. Always enjoyed the conversation with you on the Meyer hotline eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three and via the text It's sports rated to twenty one thousand. Trent Bally is our producer good stuff. Even though the Tigers lost last night five to three, Trek Schouble was quote end quote good enough to win. But you see the margin for error. I
guess this is really true in any sport. And we'll get to some football here in a moment, but you see the margin for error tied to three. Will Vest comes in for Terrek's school in case you didn't see the game, will Ves comes in Byron Buxton hits a center cut fastball, right field, ground rule double. Dude's fast as hell, right, so that guy's board. Will Vest wild pitch gets into third. Now, now you're back
on your heels, right ground balled a second. You know what's gonna be bang bang, So you got to make sure that you know exactly what you're doing. So I love about the game of baseball. Think ahead, Cole Keith thinks ahead. You know you gotta it's got to be a good throw to get buston. He's going to be off on contact he was throw home is slightly up the first base line. Buxton head first slide, four to three. Minnesota. They win five to three, and they've got a really
good bullpen. That is the slimmest of margins. It's a middle middle fastball mistake. It's another mistake on a wild pitch that cannot happen. And then it's a slight mistake by your second basement throwing it the wrong side of home plate and you end up losing the game. So there you go. Now, I know there are people who get a little annoyed with me because oftentimes
I start the show with baseball. Guess what we're in July. I could talk about Novak Djokovic winning his first round match at Wimbledon for the seventieth consecutive time if he wanted me to, which is a new record. But I
don't think you're going to get engaged in that regard. I think the people that get upset that you're talking baseball are just frustrated with the Tigers and they're projecting that, and I guess I would push back to those people and I would just say, look, we're about to embark on a trade that line here where the Tigers are going to be sellers. Yet again, this is it's big stuff. Let me ask you this, just off the top of your head, how many teams are further back of their division leader than the
Tigers? Go? I would guess two or three? Four? Only four? The White Sox obviously, the Washington Nationals and Miami Marlins and the Colorado Rockies. It's relatively happened in a hurry too, that escalated quickly. It would be a very appropriate drop right now from Will Ferrell in wedding crashers, or I mean, excuse me, from Will Ferrell in Anchorman. That escalated quickly. Yeah, folks, they are almost ten games under five hundred.
It's over. There's no miracle being pulled out of this. And please stop, I mean, don't be a writer and tell me the wild Card is still within striking distance. They're aid games back of the wild Card. They and the Angels who've lost too straight to drop back to nine and a half back of the walker. I mean, they're not leap frog in Texas, in Toronto and Tampa and Houston and Boston, they're not. So let's get that out of our heads. I'm not telling you don't watch anymore baseball.
I'm not telling you to not enjoy going down to the ballpark. Who am I to tell you what to do with your money and your time, especially since I like you spend my time watching this team. So I'm not going to be a hypocrite. All I'm telling you is, when you start watching it, take it for what it is. Just enjoy the game of baseball. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love for them to go. You know what, screw you, August in September, we're kicking everybody's ass.
Good for you. I would love that it's not going to happen. It's really sad that before the fourth of July holiday baseball is over again in this town and in this state. Although those of you listening on you know, Doug Max ninety six point ONEFM, the game, don't mind tapping into the Chicago market a little bit. That's cool. It's over for you too. White Sox are the worst team in baseball, and the Cubs are last in their division. They're further back in their division. We're almost as almost
as far back, excuse me, in their division. The Tigers are in theirs. At least you could have a conversation that the Cubs are alive in the wild card and not be embarrassed by it because you're five and a half out. But it's really too bad. And it's too bad because they've relied so heavily on Derek's school in Detroit, and unfortunately, even though he threw well and was better than the final result would be and he didn't get a loss, it was a no decision. That's what you have to look forward
to. It forces you to look forward to football season. So the NFC North race, we know the lions of the defending champions. We know the Packers are a legitimate threat, and if you didn't believe that, all you have to do is ask Dallas fans when they went in there and mop them with the floor. Haymaker after haymaker, gut punch after gut punch, right, cross left, cross right, jab left Jeb. They beat the snot out of Dallas. Chicago's defense very good, and they've done nothing but improve
themselves in the offseason. So how do you win it? What do you need to do? Here's what cbosports dot com writes about these teams and specifically the key players with those teams. Now, I don't like the way they described the division in the sense that the Lions pounced on the power vacuum left in the NFC North by Aaron Rodgers departing Green Bay. That's bull crap, right. The Packers went nine to eight in his final season and missed the
playoffs. Lions centim packing as everyone remembers, thank you. Let's do a little research and make sure we're clear before we write a sentence like that. And I don't want to be too sensitive. Maybe I get too sensitive when it comes to this stuff. I think you're spot on Shep, you know what I'm saying. I mean, look, you finally win a division. Yeah, first time you win the NFC North in the history of the division, and a national publication says it's because there was a vacuum left by Aaron
Rodgers. Yeah. I mean, come on, like, at what point are we going to preach trust? I mean, the Lions have earned this. I have earned the right to be plus one fifty to win the NFC North. Pretty decent favorites, Packers at plus two ten, Bears plus two sixty five, Vikings bringing up the rear plus thousand. But Shep, maybe this is a bit of a different discussion. I think it is a pretty interesting division too, because the quote unquote least favorite the Vikings. They've got
the best player in the division of Justin Jeffers. You've got Jordan Love who's maybe due for an extension. You've got rookie Caleb Williams, and the Bears have really bolstered that offense. There's work cut out for the Lions. But I think to your point, they have earned the trust and the respect to be the favorites and there's no vacuum about it. I'm still thinking about that that's a great point. Minnesota has the best player in the division. Huh.
I mean it's almost reminiscent of when the Lions said Megatron in his prime, you were bringing up the rear a lot of those years, winning four or five games. I got the best play like that. I never looked at it like that. My mind immediately went, is he the best player in the conference. I guess Christian McCaffrey would probably take that role right top three, though, I would say, oh, absolutely, skill position.
And I know I don't love the term skill position either. I know you are the same way because it kind of minimizes offensive linemen but defensive weapons. Justin Jefferson's top three every fantasy league in America. And I'm not saying fantasy is gospel, but Justin Jefferson will be a top three pick across the board in every league. Absolutely, he'd be. I'd be surprised if he's not number one. I mean, Jamar Chase perhaps, I think the only cause
for pause would be his quarterback situation. Right, So who would it be? I'm not a fantasy footballer. Would McCaffrey be part of that? Yeah, he'd be up there for sure. Who would be the other. If you say Jefferson's a top three, who would be the other? If McCaffrey is a top three, Jefferson's a top three, who's the third of the top three. I think Tyreek Hill's got to be up there, okay, just because of volume. I mean he's coming offense one of the best receiving
seasons ever. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It's a good way to look at it. Didn't think about that with Jefferson. But the overriding point to me was, you know, that first sentence made me go, wait, I'm gonna be honest as a fan, I read that and I said out loud, screw you. Not cool? Okay, but either way, you know, let's try to give him some props. At twelve and five, first title since ninety three when they won the NFC Central.
All right, Chicago appears to have that bright future. We talked about Jordan Love with Green Bay Minnesota with Jefferson, as you mentioned, Jordan Addison's good player. TJ. Hockinson's a hell of a player, hell of a hell of a tight end. Anyway, Aaron Jones, They've got, you know, there's some good players right there. Man, anyway, So for Detroit, here's what they write. The Lions had a top five scoring offense per game, fifth best in the NFL, and Detroit did what it had to
do to keep that band together this offseason. Makes sense to keep that band together, don't you think? Absolutely? Specifically that offensive line. They kind of bolstered that up with Zeitler as well, who was recently regarded as a
top five interior offensive lineman, which surprised me a little bit. You know, like everybody, when when you think of certain players or certain positions you think of for me, on the inside, it's always been Zach Martin, right, I mean, he's he's the guy inside that makes you go, I feel really comfortable with this guy being there. To me, this is
just my opinion. Well, and we all we've talked about the tackles, right, I mean, obviously Penny Seule is one of the best, if not the best, there is. But if you look at it, if you look at interior offensive linemen, if you got Trent Williams on the outside, you got pennies on the outside, who are the guys on the inside. One of those guys is Kevin Zeidler, which is that's a great deal,
great signing. So you got him. But before that, Ben Johnson said he was coming back even though he was a finalist for the Washington commander's job that went to Dan Quinn. You keep your general manager Brad Holmes, You keep your head coach, Dan Campbell. You resign your que Jared Goff. You bump I'm on, I'm on Saint Brown to the highest contract at the time for a wide receiver. It's been surpassed since you make Penny Suwel
happy. He's the highest paid offensive lineman in average per year, at the top of the market. You've situated yourself for long term success. Overhauled the secondary two schep. I think that was the biggest concern, the biggest weakness with the team last season. They overhauled that thing by far the biggest concern. I would say if you if you had a concern about the Lions, and rightfully so, because they fell short. You know, they didn't they
didn't get to the Super Bowl, they didn't win the Super Bowl. You're losing the NFC championship game. What was the reason for it? Secondary past events? That would be the number one concern. The second concern would be a pass rush opposite Aiden Hutchinson, and the third would be am I going to lose Ben Johnson. I think those were all legitimate concerns. I'm not saying lack of a consistent kicker wasn't one, but it wasn't a top three concern. In the top three, the top three you brought up, they
addressed every single one of those. Mm hm. Now let me just say this, and I think you would agree with me on this, Trent, if you're going to address that secondary you and I feel like they have Carlton Davis good player, right, I still need to be shown that because I don't know if Terry on Arnold is all he's they say he's going to be. How many times have we seen a cornerback drafted highly and not live up to the hype. Hi, Jeff Akuda, I was just gonna say,
plug your ears, Lions fans. It was four years ago that Jeff Akuda picked third overall and was terrible. Right, Terry Fair was a first round pick. This is a long time ago. Terry Fair was a first round draft pick. It was later in the first round, but he was still a first round pick, right around where Terry on Arnold was. I think Terry Fair was right around like eighteen to twenty three, somewhere in that neighborhood. You can look that up for me. And he was drafted head of
Randy Moss. He was a better return guy than he was a cornerback. So I'm just bringing up Lions corners. We can go a little bit deeper into some of the NFL cornerbacks if we wanted to. But I'm telling you right now, as much as you like it, and I like it too, all right. I like the draft picks. I like Rekestraw in the second round. I like Arnold in the first round. I'm all for that. All I'm telling you is, we say it has been I don't know.
We say it's been addressed, and I've said it, but you still have to be convinced because it is a very difficult transition to that point. Sheef. I mean, they thought they addressed it last season bringing in Cam Sutton Emmanuel Moseley who went down exactly. So it's never a sure thing until it's proven. That's a great point. But I do think the Lions feel
a lot better about where they're at in the defensive backfield. Just imagine if Aaron Glenn had this secondary in the third quarter of the NFC Championship game against the Niners. Right, there was a time, I know we got to hit a break. I remember a kid coming out of Alabama. His name is Dean Milner. Do you remember him. He was twenty thirteen. Yes, he was drafted by the Jets. I believe he was a top ten pick. He didn't do squat. He was terrible. Bruce Pickens was a
third overall pick in nineteen ninety one by the Atlanta Falcons. He didn't do squat. He was terrible. Quick time out than the final hour of x'es and Bros. Good football discussion. We'll keep it rolling on the other side, stay with us. The Meyer Hotline is there for you. Eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. This is Exison Bros. On
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