Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We don't need no meals. We don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
Were out a detainer. Ah, you're not that decayed. We weren't good. There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling you. We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for you. He sucks. He sucked. He laid an egg. That's all I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not going to break it down for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We have to figure it out, and we went it. Sure is final
hour of ex'es and bros. This one is flown by Thank you for your texts and your phone calls on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. The text Line Sports rated at a twenty one thousand. Bottom of this hour, Max Boltman will join us from the Athletic we'll talk about what the Red Wings have done in free agency. Specifically, what
they did, folks, is sign goalie camp Talbot. They lose out on re signing defenseman Shane gosteraspeer, who inked a three year deal with Carolina. That's troubling. It's troubling because he took less money, but he got the extra year in Carolina. So now what does Detroit do on that power play? Now? They re signed Christian Fisher to a one year contract. The think goalie Jack Campbell to a one year deal, Eric Gustafson to a two
year agreement. He's the defenseman from the Rangers. Maybe heat quarterbacks that power play it has not been met with great hope from the fan base. So Max Botman will join us at the bottom of the hour to talk about that. Pistons have signed Tobias Harris to a two year contract worth fifty two million dollars. I like Tobias Harris. I liked him when he was a Piston. I was disappointed when he left. He was in Philly last year and
had seventeen points per game. Horrible in the postseason. However, this team's not making the postseason. When you have a guy like this who's been through an off awful lot, been on playoff teams, know what at s take. This is the kind of influence that can be very helpful for the Pistons. I believe my problem is that you're paying him twenty six million dollars a year. I mean that is that is steep. That is really steep. Tigers will play in Minnesota tonight. By the way, the Twins have hit
homers or a homer, I should say, in nineteen consecutive games. That's a franchise record. Only Baltimore has a longer string this year. The good news is Derek Scoogle's on the bump and he doesn't give up a lot of home runs. Our poll question which team has had the better free agent signing period? The Red Wings, Pistons or neither. You can vote via text or I should say via twitter on x at X's and Bros. Yesterday's pole question. Let's get to the results of that. Trent has it and why
don't you feed it to us right now? Trent? What was yesterday's poll? Question, and what were the results? Can you? Yeah, we actually we had a couple of them. We asked, was the JB. Bickerstaff hire a good one for the Pistons? Fifty two percent of you said yes, but thirty six percent of you. I would be in the fifty two percent, I agree, but thirty six percent, maybe a little over a third of you say it won't matter. It's a bad roster. There
you go. What's encouraging for me is that JB. Bickerstaff has a proven record, and we talked about this yesterday with Deshaun Tate. He joined us in the eight o'clock hour. He has a proven record of developing younger players making them better. Now, Monty Williams didn't do that at all. Say what you want about money Williams. He's a good enough guy and everything he had won in Phoenix. I thought it was a wrong hire. I was very vocal about that. Nobody got better, including him, and he wanted
no part of Detroit. From the jump, it sure seemed like that didn't. Yeah, I mean that's why I think it's just my theory. I think that's why Tom Gorris had to go as deep as fourteen million a year which at the time he was the highest paid coach. Ever, it's not the reason you bring a coach in, all right. So that was one poll question. What's the other one? Our other one was would you have preferred the Red Wings re signed Patrick Kane, which they did, or make
a run at Stephen Stamkos. Sixty three percent of you are with Kine. So sixty three percent of you, in other words, are satisfied with the Wings bringing showtime back and not making a run at Stammer. You know what's surprising about that is this we as a collective fan base. I'm not saying every person, I'm just saying collectively. This is what we asked Ted Kulfan yesterday or the Detroit News. We said, what does this team need? He said defense? But let's face it, even though they were better at
scoring yest year, they do need more goal scorers. Steven Stamcos, on a team that is one of the best offensive teams in all of hockey, scored forty goals. He was fifteenth in the league in goal scoring at the age of thirty four. He's pumping in forty. Now, remember this, there were only fifteen players who scored forty or more none of them were Red Wings. Dylan Larkin scored thirty three to lead Detroit, but you need a forty goal scorer and that's not an easy thing to do. He signed with
Nashville. Did you see. I don't expect I do not expect the Red Wings. I hope, but nobody does expect the Red Wings to do what Nashville did. It's amazing that the Predators went out and signed Jonathan Marcissa, Brady Ska and Steven Stamkos. They got two guys. Think about this now, they got two guys who scored forty goals or more. That's pretty impressive and champions at that. Stamkos multiple rings, right, Marcisso and Las Vegas won it all a year ago. And the Preds had a decent thing going
last season. Chep. I mean they made the playoffs. They gave the Hurricanes all they could handle in the first round. Yeah, but they give Stamkos thirty two million over four years. That's eight million a year. Let me ask you, would you have done that if you're the Red Wings. I don't like the years. That's my concern. Thirty four years old. Yeah, so he's gonna be thirty eight you're basically what you're doing is you've
got a two year window. Oh it's a move for now, no doubt, right right, which, as you know, if you're a fan, thumbs up. I'm okay with that. Marcis sold thirty three. I forget the length of his contract, but I do know he had forty two goals last year. I think it's awesome. Send a message to your fan base. Look, we can't be too critical of what Nashville just did. If if we're going to sit here and complain about the Tigers not spending any money,
that's that's what we do. I mean, in this market, we complain and rightfully so, that Chris Silich won't spend money on the Tigers, right, one hundred and six million dollars as a team payroll should be at least one forty. I think it should be one fifty. Not spending enough money, put money on the product, on the fields, all that stuff. Right. That's that's what we hear from people on social media and in
writing and opinion pieces, talk radio fans left and right. Nashville goes out and spends money and people are shaking their heads, going I wouldn't have done that, I mean, that's that's irresponsible. Oh but you want to give a ton of money to Matt Chapman. Huh yeah, I can't have it both ways, right, let's be fair. Bottom of the hour, Max
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eight forty eight to forty three. There are certain songs that just make you do that, so I totally get it. Really interesting article as we get the build up to Max Boltman of the Athletic Kill join Us eight thirty five here on ex'es and Bros. Interesting article from cbsports dot Com over the weekend making the case on whether or not these twelve current players are Hall of Fame caliber. So, Trent, We're gonna play a little game here. All
right, I'm gonna give you the name of the player. I want you to tell me your first reaction. You don't have time to look up stats or anything. You you've watched them. You're a football junkie. You love these guys. Maybe they're on your fantasy football team. It's a guy you and your friends talk about on a regular basis. I'm gonna give you the name. You tell me immediately whether you think he's a Hall of Fame player or not, and then I'll tell you whether or not the CBS Sports writers
agree with you. Okay, sounds great. DeVante Adams, No, they say yes, six Pro Bowls, three All Pros give him a good chance at a future induction. Leading the NFL in touchdown grabs multiple times also helps. I say no as well, but they say yes. Keenan Allen, Yes, I say no, they say no. Allen has put together an impressive career that includes six Pro Bowl nods since twenty seventeen, but zero all Pro nods. Good but not great career makes him twenty six all time in
career receptions. Okay, that's fair. I guess if you look at those two that we've done already, I guess Adams of the two would be more deserving, now that you break it down. They also write that what Alan does in Chicago might go a long way to determining whether or not he's in Remember, this is just what they've done so far. Here's one that I was torn on. So what I did is I looked at before I got
into the text, the deepness of their evaluation. I looked at the name and then wrote down on a piece of paper, yes or no. So that's the reason I'm giving you this quiz, Mike Evans. Yes, Yeah, I put a question mark on the piece of paper because I just wasn't sure. But I think you're right about that. He's the first player in NFL history to start his career with ten consecutive one thousand yard receiving yards.
Right. Yes, also one of just four players in NFL history to have at least seven hundred and fifty catches, ten thousand receiving yards, and ninety touchdown catches in his first ten years. The others Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss chat. Before this gig, I was fortunate enough to produce sports radio in Florida, And I'll tell you the Tampa media. There are some members of the Tampa media that legitimately look at Mike Evans as possibly the
greatest buccaneer of all time. I mean, that's how important he is that franchise, That's how much the fan base loves him. He's certainly gonna have thirteen retired there in their ring of honor. What you think of the all time great Bucks, it's Warren Sam worn Sap. Obviously, you gotta put Brady in there just because of what he did towards the end with longevity in there. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then I would say Mike Evans probably rounds out your top four, wouldn't you. Yeah. They love
Mike Alstatt down there, too, don't they. Yes, Yeah, yeah, I think that's a great point. I never looked at it like that. I guess I just assumed it was always Warren Sap. But those those are really good examples. And if you're talking about the greatest player for one of the franchises in the NFL, they got to be a Hall of Famer, right potentially, Yeah, I would think so. I mean, they've
got to be, They've got to be under that consideration. I mean, I don't know if I can quite go that far, because I'm not saying every every greatest player of all time deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, you know what I mean? Yeah, there are some exceptions. Yeah, like who's the greatest Jaguar ever? Fred Taylor? Okay, I'm just guessing. Yeah, No, is that what you would say? Probably? And then you think of the other young franchises could be Okay, Houston Texans
is JJ Watt, no doubt. I mean, there are certain franchises that are an exception to the rule for sure. I'm just say on its face, if you really think about it, you would think that the greatest player potentially in the history of a franchise when there's only thirty two of would make the Hall of Fame, agreed. Is Derek Brooks a Hall of Famer? No, Okay, he's not. Okay, Rende Barber, I can look that up. Yeah, those are some names I think of when I think
of Tampa. The first team that I was originally going to say, I probably shouldn't eve admit this, but I was gonna say Cleveland. I'm thinking, Wait, Jim drownand's arguably the greatest running back of all time. Joe Thomas is in that conversation anyway. All Right, So those are two that we've gotten through. Dereck Henry yes or no. Yes, Yeah, they say yes, I said no. I wrote down no needs less than five hundred rushing yards to reach ten thousand for his career. He's the best of
his era. I don't think that makes you a Hall of Famer. That's a good point, But I do think that the context of the era should come into account a little bit. Right, Yes, because they this is not necessarily a running backs league any longer, but way back in the day. I mean, they didn't play seventeen to sixteen games either. But I get what you're saying. I know we're going to we're up against a break pretty quick, So I want to get a couple more. I'm not going
to go through all of them. Tyreek Hill, Yes, okay, I would say so as well. And then this is perhaps the most interesting one. Matthew Stafford for me, Flying Colors. Yes, yeah, they say no. They say Stafford's two Bro Bowl and zero all Pro nods prevent him from being future Hall of Fame lock his Super Bowl win in his place in
several career stats standings, however, give him a compelling argument. Eleventh all time in both passing yards and touchdown passing thrown for three hundred and fifty seven touchdowns. He's thrown for over fifty six thousand yards. So immediately I'm like, I think he is. And then I realize right after that they have Russell Wilson. They sing no to Russell Wilson. I wonder out loud how much his credibility and his legacy was hurt by going to Denver, even whether
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seasons apply. See all the deals in store are in the Myer app thirty five after the hour. Im glad you're with us on this edition of Exes and Bros. Throughout the Great State of Michigan. On and Cadillac and Grand Rapids and Flint and Grayland and Gaylord. We're up in Midland and Saginaw, Bay City, Pataski, charlot Boy, Traverse City, all those areas obviously read Max Boltman of the Athletic. If you want to know what's going on with the Red Wings, that is where you go, and you can follow
him on Twitter on x at M Underscore Boltman. He joins us here on exes and Bros. Max. Thanks as always, appreciate your work, Appreciate your diligence and your research and all the things that you've done. And I was really taken in by your article yesterday about the Red Wings and not just the draft, but by the free agency and the lack thereof and your honesty
with it. How do you grade? And I'm not looking for a letter grade, I'm just looking for your opinion, and how do you grade what the Red Wings have done so far, even though it's early on in free agency? Yeah, I think if you look at the moves that they have made, there's everything's pretty fine. I think it's like a solid yet okay vision contract here. You know, little value here. But where I struggle is when I zoom out. I just don't see really other than goaltending,
where I do think they got better. I don't really see many other parts of the game where I look at it and I see a team that's in a better spot in the standings than they were last year. Now you may say, hey, big picture, they may call some kids up, they may give some guys playing time, and that's the better thing. I think
that's a perfectly reasonable argument. But in terms of competitiveness and you know, trying to improve on where they were at last year, where they were at tiebreak early from the playoffs, I think a lot of their contributors went elsewhere yesterday, and I don't really see meaningful upgrades on any of those guys. Shane Dossis stare walks away. He was their powerplay quarterback. He goes elsewhere
for a pretty decent deal. They replace them with their Augustuson, who I think is pretty similar to Gosta Spear but didn't have quite as much offense. Lose David Perron, huge leader, huge party of power play, tough guy, one of the best down low wall players and puck possessors in the league. He gets out of town and I don't really see an obvious replacement for him. So right now, you're right, it's still earlier. They still
got lots of time. But I think there's a few different areas of their team where maybe you look like, well, did they really get much better? What would you have liked to have seen them done? It can't be just re signing Gosh, Despair and Perne, because you're basically bringing the same team back. You don't want that necessarily. What would you have liked to have seen them do to improve this team? Yeah, it's a great point,
and I think that that is important to not get lost year. To me, I think what it comes down to is I would have liked to see a a little bit more meanness, particularly on the blue line. I think if they could have added a real shutdown D on the right side and maybe they still will on the right side, to take some burden off the more to eat some of those defensive minutes. To me, I think that's one of the areas they really struggled last year. Was was overburdening more excited,
was keeping the tuck out of their own net? And I also think frankly, I would have probably tried to go out and added forward defensively that could have given them a little bit more. You know, the number that Alex Wenberg ends up getting is five million dollars at two years. That is a little steep, So I can understand why they might have wanted to stay away. But somebody of his profile is kind of what I would have been looking to do, and maybe they still will. I think, you know,
they needed to improve their team defense. They did that a little bit with the goaltending, but in terms of the blue line and even the forward core where I thought that, you know, a lot of the issues actually started with having a bunch of forwards who weren't all that defensively responsible. I think those are kind of the two areas that I point to. You can read them on the athletic at M underscore Boltman, he's Max Bowman joining us
here on X's M bros. Knowing that and understanding about the defense. Like you said, where does this team stand with the possibility of trading for that type of talent that they couldn't sign so far in free agency? Yeah, and I think that is kind of the key here is Yes, free agency. You know, a lot of the top names have kind of started to get off the board here, but you still have time if there's somebody comes to available. Now, you know, the name that I think was out
there and a lot of reports was Jacob Truba. Is that going to happen now? It sounds like reading some of those same outlets as a New York Post has really heavily reported on this one, first kind of to bring the trade delight and then to really downplay it. So maybe that one's not actually as out there as it sounded like a couple of days ago. If not that, where else do you look? I don't know the answer to that question. So if it's not that, are there other ways they can get
better? Can they get a little tougher upfront? Can they try to replace some of that on the wing where they had pron playing? I think that's all possible. But in terms of like throwing a real obvious name out there for you right now, there's not a big one that's jump into mind. And I think that's kind of part of where you look at where they're at right now and you say, okay, well we'll can steve Wedge and then do here to get this team at least back to where they were at.
Kind of entering the off season. What do you think it would take to get Truba in a Wings uniform. It's a great question. I don't know. To me, I think that the biggest question I have. He's got no trade clause and he obviously has some control over his situation. I think the biggest thing it would take is the New York Rangers retaining a lot of cap space in Jacob true would being willing to come. I don't know the
answer on either of those two questions. I'm not saying that that I do, but you know, to me, he did sit a profile that checked a lot of those boxes they've talked about. He's a great decisive defense and he's one of the most physical players in the NHL. When his name was out there in some of those reports, I think there was a real obvious fit, especially because he didn't come with too much term on his existing contract. But I I don't know if that is still on the table or if
it ever was. Frankly, so that's maybe that ship's kind of not sailing to again. I don't know how real it was or not, but it's certainly not seeming like a likely avenue right now. What do you think they needed more of scoring or defensive protection. It's a good question to me. The answer I think would have been defense. I think you find others who would say scoring. You look at when Dylan Larkin was out and how much they missed him. I think that that's a reasonable time of the year where
they could have used more offense. But I think at the end of the day, I still look at it and see they were the ninth highest scoring team in the NHL, and it was the defensive end where I think they really got dead. So I think they Ideally you want both and you did find a way to keep Patrick Kane if you're the Red Wings, so that helps with the scoring. It's on the way to keep Christian Fisher. That helps with some of the you know, the matchups. He he's a really
nice matchup player for the Red Wings. They probably needed it to improve both, but I think the defense there was more room for improvement, and so I think maybe that's why it stood out to me. The top need Max Bolman joining us from the Athletic here on Exus and Bros. Read his stuff on the Athletic and make sure that you fall him on x at M underscore Boltman this opens the door for younger players, and I love what you wrote.
You basically said you can't have it both ways. You can't say, hey, I want to see the young guys, but on the other hand, I want to sign all these veterans too. There has to be a nice mix, so it opens the door. Who do you think this takes advantage of this scenario most in terms of the younger players with the Red Wings who are vying for NHL playing time. Yeah, and I think we have to see if the rest of the off season to play out to see if
those spots hold. But if so, two guys i'd point to, Carter Maser and Jonathan Bergrian are both guys who I think are kind of at the fringe of will they be ready for the NHL to start the season. They start the season in Green Rapids. They both I thought had really good playoffs in the AHL this year, and they both have a little bit more of that hard to play against the profile. They are rookies, so you don't want to expect too much out of him in that way too fast. But
I think they're both tough kids. I think they're both smart kids, responsible hockey players, and I think Maser in particular, has shown some pretty nice goalscoring Isis have been actually really praised his shot at his press conference a couple of weeks ago before the draft. So maybe one of those guys is a guy who can carve out more of a role than we were maybe expecting. And if that's the case, I think there's something to be said for that.
But they've also said they don't want to really leave spaces for some of these kids yet, they want to make them bump somebody out. So we'll see if there's any other moves coming and if those remain as clear a path as they are right now. Yeah, Max, let me ask you this pressure yourself induced, right, We all know that, but you write about it. I talk about it in regards to Steve Eisman and the job he's
done. How much pressure additional pressure, I should say, do you think will be on the general manager going into this season knowing that sure they've gotten better in terms of points, and they're getting closer to postseason play, but the East is so tough, and especially the division. How much more pressure does he do you think he gets from the public and from you and your
colleagues going into this season. Yeah, see, I think some now, you know, coming into April and May, I did think it was possible for them that this would happen just because of the salary cap. That the biggest obstacle of the other things are fighting right now is that they have to get more excited in Lucas Raymond. Two of their best end players on new
contracts this year, and those deals have not been done yet. We know they're going to take up somewhere between ten and fifteen million more in tap space than those two guys counted for last year. Deals I think are going to come in somewhere between like six and nine million for both of them, as when I would ballpark right for each of them, I should say. So it gets harder when you're concentrating that money there to also spend the other places.
And I think we do have to be conscious of that that they are those are the realities of their cap situation. But when you come within a tiebreaker of the playoffs, you know, expectations do go up, and with expectations comes pressure, especially for a team that's you know, been after this for a while and is seeing some of its young kind of core members keep ticking up in age, right, Dylan Larkin is going to be twenty eight this summer, and you know, you haven't been to a playoff game since
this first season with the Red Wings. So doesn't mean they have to rush. It doesn't mean they abandoned the plan or anything like that. But I do think that that's where the pressure comes from, is building a winner on schedule to get the most out of some of their important pieces. What do you like or don't like about their goalie situation with who's so lion now Talbot and Campbell? Well, I liked how especially in particularly the durability showed last
year nine thirteen safe percentage for LA in fifty four games. You'll take that all bait. That's an NHL starting goalie. So I like that edition. I like the contract. He's thirty seven, but he was thirty six last year. It was pretty good, right, So I'm not ready to write it off just yet in terms of, you know, where's that age curve
coming? What I am still unsure about is they've now got a lot of money tied up there and they have three guys tied up there, and it didn't sound like that was their hope to have three guys in the NHL again next year. Goalies don't always like that. It's hard to share two nets between three guys at practices, let alone in games. We'll see what if there's something else coming there, and my guess would be that there would be,
especially because they also went out and signed Jack Campbell. I think that one's more of a number three. I'd expect that he's probably in Grand Rapids with Sebastian Kosa. But there's got a lot of guys in the goalie room now, and so what I like, I think they got better. What I'm not sure if I like is is it little too crowded there right now? But I still got time. You brought up age, so I want your opinion on this. How old is too old in the NHL. It's
different based on the sport you play. We've seen guys play deep into their late thirties, sometimes early forties and still be very successful and very productive. And the reason I asked this is not just because of what you said about Talbot, but also because of what Nashville did with Stamkos and Marshashaw, who are thirty four and thirty three respectively, and signed long term deals. Yeah, and I think that's the question that a lot of teams are trying to
work other it. I think some people would tell you that it's a little different bar for the superstars, right similar like Patrick Kane, who's thirty five. I don't think there's any reason to think Patrick Kane slowing down in the next two or three years. Necessarily he's he's got an elite hockey brain, he's got great hockey hands. Steven Stamkos has a great shot. These are things that we don't expect are leaving you with age, but it does come
for everybody. And I think probably and if I then have the exact same fairy person you are talking about, kind of in that thirty five ranges where you start to get worried. And if I had to guess, why did the Red Wings not give Stephen Sanpost that same contract that Nashville did, it's the term factor will be the first thing that I would point to. They got Patrick Kane on the one year deal, and I think when you look at what they wanted to do, that makes a little more sense for them.
They given four years to Stephen stampos Let alone, if they got Kane has less money, So I do think that that term factor, that age factor that you're talking about, is probably one of the reasons why we didn't see the Red Wings in on some of these top top names. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable decision to make by them. It's just you got to find another way then to get better if you're not going to do it
by that avenue. I don't want to say you were underwhelmed with their draft, but I'm not sure you were raising the flag for the men they drafted either or the boys, the eighteen year olds that they drafted. What was your overall take on the hall that they pulled in on draft day or draft Well. I really like their first round pick, Michael brand mcneguard is was one of my favorite prospects in this draft. He's got some size and he
plays a real complete game. He'll get in on the fore check, he's a great defensive player, and he's got one of the best shots in the draft. To me, that's a player that you can find a use for in a bunch of different places in your lineup. I think the most likely is in your top six. So I really like that pick at fifteen,
and I was impressed by Max plant their second round pick. He wasn't somebody that was maybe as much on my radar at that spot in the draft coming in, But after talking to a few people about him right after that pick, I can kind of see what they're going for there. He's a playmaker. He's a guy who's showing he's got a lot of offense, and that's something that they lack in their system, you know, in terms of being underwell, I would say it's like a solid B draft. I don't think
there's anything wrong with it. Like you said, I do think, you know, you still kind of wondering can they find in the draft this guy who's going to outperform where they were drafted. I think that that's something you need the NHL if you're just going and you're hitting on your first round picks and you're not really getting a big find later in the draft, and I think it's really hard to get better quickly. They have one of those guys
that's who I mentioned earlier in Carter Maser. He was a third round pick a couple of years back, and he definitely looks like he's going to make the NHL. He's going to outperform where he was picked, they got a couple of defense and they've picked in the second round. I do believe we're going to make the NHL, but I still think you're kind of looking for a little bit more of that. But the deal with the NHL draft check is, you know this, obviously, it takes these guys so much longer
after the first round. Once you get beyond the first round, you're talking about probably four or five years before you're going to see these kids in the NHL. So I guess we're just going to have to kind of see where it goes, all right. Lastly, real quick, overall NHL free agency. You know, whether it be I don't care, Mantha going to you know, where do you go to Calgary, or whether it be Marcia show going to Tampa or Gensel going or Marcia's so going to a Nashville or against
going to Tampa. What was your thoughts overall on on the NHL free agency and the biggest surprise perhaps well, I think I saw that it was the first time that a billion dollars was spent on July one and in total contracts, So that was a one big headline. A lot of term Washington, I think was a team that I didn't expect to go the route that they
did. You know, they were the team that got in the playoffs on that tiebreaker over Detroit last year, and they brought in some win now guys and Jacob Chickrin who they traded for at a pretty good price, and then Matt Roy who was a defenseman. I think a lot of people saw as fitting that you know, shut down right d roll the Red Wings made. He's a local product. A lot of people thought that could be a fit.
Well, he got a whopper of a contract from the Capitol seven years and I think it was five or five and a half million with the AAV So you could see why the Ouvans probably wouldn't have gone to that that number with him, but the Capitals all of a sudden and I spent in you know, I think what you will about Piles Dubois and the gamble that they make in trading for him. There, they are a team that looks like they should be better than they were this last year when they got into the
playoffs. So from a Red Wings perspective, I think might be take away with a lot of the team that the Red Things are trying to catch to not make it any easier to catch them. Well, threw a lot at you this morning and you handled it all exceptionally. Well, no surprise, they're great stuff with the athletic great stuff on X or on Twitter. Max, thanks for the time today, Man, Really appreciate it. Keep up the great work. But I appreciate you listening and appreciate you joining us and
educating our listeners a little bit more. Hey, my pleasure, Matt. Thanks so much for having me and appreciate your reaching out. Yeah, no problem, man, Max Boltman will do it again too, fall him on X at M underscore boltmant great stuff. I mean that is really insightful stuff, not just on the Wings, but on the NHL in general and on a lot of the free agents that got going to real quick. Let's update our poll question from yesterday. Did we do that yet? I can't recall
Trent. Yeah, yeah, we talked about yesterday's two poll questions. Okay, all right, we got a poll question for you out there again, our thanks to Max Bowman. A poll question out there which team had the better free agent signing period? Red Wings, Pistons or neither. Vote on X as often as you like. We'll give you the results tomorrow and we'll be back with you tomorrow here on exes and brows starting at six am.
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