Second hour of the program, Welcome back Acces and Bros. Monday through Friday, from six until nine, We've got a poll question out there for you. Trent has tweeted it out. It's also on our Facebook page and we welcome your votes. Is on offficiing like which NHL pitcher should start the All Star Game? Is it Paul Schemes of the Pittsburgh Pirates, is it Chris Sale of the Atlanta Braves, or is it other? Vote as often as you like. We'll give the results on Monday at eight o'clock. Our poll
question from yesterday. The results will come your way about an hour from now. Yesterday we asked you which of these events are you most interested in? European Soccer Championships, Wimbledon, which we'll see a couple of surprising women in the final, Scottish Open that saw Justin Thomas play really well yesterday he shot a sixty two and eight hunder sixty two, Rory McRoy shot a five hundred sixty five. Or the NBA Summer League. That's what we asked you from
yesterday. You can still vote on that if you'd like, but we'll give you the results about an hour from now, the results for Kentamayta have been brutal. You know that you follow the Tigers, you understand. Forget about his one thousandth career strikeout the other night. So what his era is over seven? Okay? And he's even admitted I don't think I've ever struggled this
badly in my career. Okay, probably the case he would know better than I. Not the point here, though, can't continue you to trot him out every fifth day. You just can't. The Tigers, I believe, have lost his last seven starts. Whether he's responsible or not, whether he's the guy who takes the l it doesn't matter. They're not winning with him on them out. And they're stuck with a two year, twenty four million dollar contract. And I say stuck because there's not much you can I mean,
you're gonna eat. You can eat some money once in a while in sports. The problem in Detroit is we all believe, I think I can paint us all with a broadbrush. We all believe the Tigers should eat the Javier Baias contract. It's not gonna happen, not all of it, not right now. It's a part time player, but he's beat in buck eighty Kent Tamaida. You'd like him to suddenly eat that contract too. So you're eating eighty three million, you're eating, well, he's making fourteen mil this
year, he's going to make ten next year. Suddenly you're up to close to one hundred million dollars. Your payrolls one hundred and six million, one hundred and seven million. So we got to be we got to be smart about this on how you and I talk about it, while the Tigers have to be a hell of a lot smarter on who they're signing and for how long and for how much. I don't think that make or breaks you of Kent to Mata two year, twenty four million dollar contract. But it's been
an awful and it's not even an experiment. It's been an awful investment. You and I would dump the stock by now. So maybe the break comes at a good time. Here's what they have done. They have moved him to the bullpen for what aj hinch the foreseeable future. So who do you throw as the next starter? Is it bow Brisky who's out of the bullpen? Is it Alex Fayedo who only has two pitches? By the way, what this is going to do. Is it going to tax your bullpen?
When whoever you start in his stead, It's not going to be Joey Wentz. Don't give me Joey Wentz please, I mean Joey Wentz says over his last I don't know. One hundred and fifty innings has an ERA well over six. So it's not happening. You're going to go with Briskey, You're going to go with Fayato. They're used to coming out of the bullpen. You'll have to stretch them out a little bit. How long that takes is
up to the individual. I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that you're going to rely on your bullpen when those or either of those two young men make a start in place of Kent Tomayta. You'd love to see Matt Manning and form our first round pick come up, but have you seen what his ra If you believe in era and for starters, it's more conducive to judging them than it would be a reliever. A reliever can come in in an inning, get blown up one time and ruin his ra
for half a season. Starters because of how long they go or how long you hope they can go can keep it curtailed and under control a little bit easier. But Matt Manning's got an ERA over five and trip ala. We talk about drafting and developing all the time, don't we. Yeah, well, how come Matt Manning's not developing? How come he goes down to the miners and gets worse? Like he was pretty good in spring training, gave
up a few more homers than you'd like him to. He wasn't awful last year, and that shouldn't be the bar, So please don't take it out of context. It should not be the bar. I don't expect Matt Manning to be Paul Schemes, Okay, but Matt Manning last year you didn't mind him at the back end of your starting rotation. He had an ERA of three and a half. He didn't win as many games as you'd like, he didn't start as many games as you'd like, he didn't strike out as
many players as you'd like, and he probably walked too many. But the ERA was under control for the most part. If I told you I would give you an ERA of three point five, would you take it? Probably knowing that on average he might give you about five innings per start. It's not great, it's not right home worthy about and it's not top end rotation worthy either. But it's a hell of a lot better than when you got right now from Kent to Mayida. My point is, why did he digress?
Why is his er higher in the minor leagues than it has been in his five starts in the major leagues. Help me with that, but I digress. It's a good thing that the Tigers have decided to do this. They have relegated Kent to Maida to the bullpen. It's a move that had to be made. Some may say it was too late. I don't know exactly when the perfect timing is, or was, or should be, but I do know that this can't continue any longer. It feels like addition by
subtraction. Even if there's no direct answer, which you're kind of alluding to, we don't really know who's going to fill those shoes. It just feels like a breath of fresh air, at least for me to get him out of there. Men, what's the longest kentami Eta has lasted this year? Six innings? Maybe six innings? On May first against Saint Louis that's it. He did six innings against Minnesota on April thirteenth. That's it. He has not gone longer than six innings in a start this season. His last
two starts two and two thirds, three and two thirds. The Tigers have lost his last seven. He himself has lost his last four. That's all that really needs to be said. I know sometimes we used to say, you know, with quarterbacks winning and losing, it's attributed to them. But you know, it's such a team sport in baseball, it's a little bit closer to the truth, winning and losing for starting pitchers control it. So it's a good move by the Tigers. What's an interesting move by the Tigers
is not too long ago they let go of an All Star. I don't know if you've seen the All Star rosters, but suddenly there's a couple of ex Tigers who they didn't want or we didn't want, that are all stars. Stunning happy for them, but stunning turn of events, especially with the announcement yesterday. We'll get to that when we come back on X's and Bros. It's ten after the hour on a Friday across the Great State of Michigan. Hot deal days are here at Lyer get big offers all over the store.
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a little bit of a clue here. You know, earlier we were talking about Paul Skeens and should he start for the National League. It's really going to be up to Tory Lavello. But Buster Only was on ESPN last night saying, I believe it's going to be Paul Skeens because that's who people want to see. I don't know if the American League has a guy like that, to be honest with you, I don't. I don't know if it's
Corbyn Burns. I don't know if it's Scara Crochet. I don't know if it's Logan Gilbert Tanner, Hulk from Boston who was really good again last night, Seth Lugo, Cole Reagan's Derek Scubel. Okay, we know it's not going to be Kirby Yates or Emmanuel Class A. I would love to see Scooble. I would love to and I don't say that as a Tigers fan. We love, absolutely love power. Why do you think in highlights when there's a home run hit in a game, we see it. For the
most part, we're going to see it. Maybe it's ten to one and you're not going to show the highlight of Josh Naylor's homer, but you're going to see home runs. You'll see Carson Kelly's home run from last night. We love power. We love power pitching, we love power hitters. We are enamored with the way Aaron Judge hits the baseball. We are blown away that Shoe Aotani has eight of the top ten longest distanced home runs this year. We want to see it. Just like in football, we want to
see big hits, but we want to see touchdown passes. We want to see results. Those things give us results. Guys who score in hockey, guys who score in basketball, guys who homer in baseball, and guys who can strike guys out in baseball. So that's why I would love to see it. Just like you. I want to see Paul Skens up against the best of the best, and I want to see Terrek Skoubel go up against
the best of the best. I don't know what the lineup's going to be like, all right, but I want to see those guys power throw against the best of the best. So the National League has its reserves and the American League has its reserves. There are two ex Tigers among the American League reserves. One of them is Esak Paratus. He's the third baseman for Tampa that the Tigers traded to Tampa for Austin Meadows. Now, I will be full disclosure here. I admit when that took place, I was a thumbs
up, was super excited. I thought to myself, Wow, the Tigers just traded a guy who has not played for them for a former All Star and a guy who has driven in over one hundred runs. What did the Tigers need? My belief, I think they needed power. What did they get at the time, a guy coming off a twenty seven home run season and a guy who had also hit thirty three homers earlier in his career and was an All Star. What did they need a guy who could produce runs?
At the time, they were getting a twenty six year old who just drove in one hundred and six runs twice in the top twenty in MVP voting, a left handed stick and what do I always ask for? An every day player? That's who I thought they were getting. I didn't know. It's not my job to know, it's the Tigers job to know. I did not know that he had some mental issues. That's why he only played thirty six games his first year in Detroit. That's why he only played six
games last year for the Tigers. It's really too bad. The credit to Esach Paratus. Esak Paratus is now an All Star. The other All Star who now takes the place of Jose Altuve is one Willie Castro. Willie Castro is now a Minnesota Twin after spending the first four years of his career in Detroit. First and foremost really good dude. Second of all, has been very productive as a member of the Twins. He's up his average, he's been to sixty eight. He's cut down on his strikeouts, he's hit with
more power. The verse. Is he an All Star? I don't think so, absolutely not. But and does he have All Star numbers? I don't think so. Do I think they needed a versatile infielder or a guy who could play a little bit of the outfield. Maybe. I mean, I guess that's what I guess that's what the All Star team has come to. I guess that's what they need. This is the perfect example, sheep, of what you've been talking about where you can't put a whole lot of
stock into who makes the All Star Team. You gotta look at a little bit more prestigious accolades, if you know what I'm saying. I mean, because like the Pro Bowls even an even worse example, but this is right. Here is a case in point of baseball. Willie Castro's hitting what thirty something eight to sixty eight? Okay, so that's pretty good, but it's not All Star level in my opinion. Huh, it's not even trend. It's not even close. I feel like he got I feel like he got
at least tip three hundred in right or around it. Well, if you're gonna hit two sixty eight, can can we do it with some power? Right? Look, there are certain things you can substitute, and I don't want to. It's it's kind of mean to knock him because I've said he's a good dude, he's improved, He's done some better things. He's in line to have his you know, he's gonna have his most productive home run hitting season. I think his career high is nine in Detroit. He's got
seven this year. But can you have some power if you're going to only bet to sixty eight? Like Jose Ramirez is a starting third basement He said about that, he's I think he's two seventy. He's got twenty one bomps. He's got seventy seven stakes credit where credit is due. Good for him. Here are the other reserves though, in the American League. So it's if he doesn't play. If he's the one guy who doesn't play, you can almost understand. Okay, and I know we're up against it, but
think about it for a second. Raphael Devers, Carlos Korea, Jordan Westberg, Bobby Witt Junior, Josh Naylor, Essik Paratus. Those are the guys who join Willie Castro as reserves for the American League infield. When we come back a learning lesson on football language, stay with us. This is exis and Bros. We'll be back after this. The Man Foundation is dedicated to
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opportunity to enjoy it with friends and family. When Trent and I talk baseball or football, any sport in the morning, oftentimes I think of just how good you have to be and how smart you have to be to be either playing it, managing it, or coaching it. And I try to keep in mind when we have discussions the respect I have for those who participate and excel in these sports, like Trent, and we're just talking about Willie Castro.
I am not knocking Willy Castro. He does something I could never do, or any of us quite honestly, could ever do, that doesn't make him an All Star. Okay, So I try to have that balance. Same thing with managing and coaching. Like Trent asked me earlier today, Paul Skeins, would you have taken him out after ninety nine pitches a no hitter through seven? My answer immediately was no. Derek Shelton has forgotten more baseball than I'll ever know. There's too many times in sports radio, twenty four
hour sports we act like we know when we don't necessarily do. My favorite things is when you talk to parents, Oh, he's worked so hard. Well about a second. All these kids work hard. Like we wanted to dinner a couple of weeks ago with some friends and they were talking about their high school son and how hard he works. I got news for you, man. Everybody who reaches a really high level in sports is a hard worker
at some point. Like Ken Griffy Junior. Don't tell me just because his dad played in the majors, just because he was God given talent, that he didn't work. You damn right. He worked harder than we realize. Okay, there are guys Trent Grisham. I was complaining about a couple of weeks ago because he did a lollygag effort in the Yankees game. He didn't work real hard toward that. But I know in order for Trent Grisham to reach the major leagues and have a successful career, he's had to work hard,
all right, So I keep it all in perspective. But there are too many times we think we know. Football is the perfect example of it. We think we know what a quarterback should be doing, what a coordinator should be playing, what an offensive coordinator should be calling. We can have an opinion. I'm not saying we shouldn't, but it's not as easy as we think or TV makes it out to be. I want to play you with the Baylor head coach by the name of Dave Arnda recently said at a
Big twelve media day. Now, this is a guy who played at the collegiate level, played at Texas Tech. He was a linebacker there. Injuries cut his career short. Not saying he would have been an NFL player,
but it did cut his career short. So he went into coaching, and he coached in high school for a year in California, and then moved to the collegiate level and eventually was a grad assistant at Texas Tech, was a linebackers coach at Houston, was a defensive coordinator at Delta State and Southern Utah and Hawaii and Utah State and Wisconsin and LSU, and then in twenty twenty got the opportunity to be head coach at Baylor. Since that time, he's
taken the Bears to a couple of bowl games. He's a couple of games under five hundred. He was the Big twelve Coach of the Year in twenty twenty one. In other words, he knows his stuff. Listened to him talking about defensive philosophy or defense at a recent Big twelve media day, because this is where you get schooled a little bit. It's about two minutes long, so bear with me, and I think you're going to find it fascinating.
Listen to the language, the verbiage that this man uses with his student athletes, and just how smart you have to be to be a defensive coordinator and then be a defensive player in any particular system. It's not unique. I think a lot of defensive coaches offensive coaches use the language, but I
think you'll find it fascinating. As an example, we used to there was a couple of years ago, this is twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, we would play we'd call it red Hammer, where if it's twins out there, two receivers, we'd have a nickel and an apex, and a safety would be on number two, and if two ran and out, he'd match it. If you ran vertically matched it, if two was under the linebacker, he would zone the quarter and so we're playing quarters over there. But it's
really kind of manage quarters and the nickel, the overhang. He would play kind of the quarterback role. Right, he'd play quarterback on his zone read, and then the linebacker would be inside but would push outside play the sea gap for the dive. So you'd have two for two and then any type of throw, you've got leverage on it with safety, and the best if you can gain beg and borrow the backside safety, so there's a tight end
the blocks and you can get this safety. You're begging and borrowing to play a cover three. In a lot of ways, you can't really do that anymore with the mismatches and the vertical throws. And all of it. And so now you know we play a version of Hey, it's going to be like a read or a poems if it's a run action and a pass.
But if it's a pass action, right, so it's not a run read or a run look, but it's a drop back pass, then we play it like true quarters where the nickel will play two on the out right. If two is on the out and it's a run read, he's playing run. The DB's handle it. If it's a pass read, the nickel will then match the two. So then we can double one or use the safety high to help with someone else. So like that's an example of where you know, hey, there's a move, there's a counter move. There's always
another move, you know. I think the other thing I would say with that would be the ability to run the creepers and pressure that out of too high safety. Whereas before you do a lot of that as a single high. So not doing it out of too high I think helps your base. Too high looks. Is that amazing or what I mean? That's fun stuff to listen to, don't you think the language? Look, I'm not saying
it's super complicated. There are certain things that if you played football, if you studied football, if you talk to people who played it and coached it, you can understand it. But there are so many things that you have to take into account, so many things that you're reading. Now. The thing about this is what's really too bad is that when when you see something like this, the immediate thought from people like one guy said, you know,
great defensive mindset, but not a very good head coach. Another guy wrote, you know what, here's the deal. Too smart for his own good, No wonder the defensive plays or players are dazed and confused. Two
So okay, so he's he's too. He's explaining something on what defensive backs and linebackers are reading, what they're supposed to do, they have their single responsibility, and the read option plays of quarterbacks, and what you're supposed to be prepared for, and how you can go from man into quarters, which is a you know, a defensive coverage from the secondary, or in cover three, which is a defensive coverage in the secondary. Three corners take one
third of the field, is what cover three is. He's talking about creepers, in other words, guys creeping up to the line of scrimmage. Do they come and do they go after the quarterback or do they drop back? And then he talked about mismatches downfield vertical, which obviously you know means downfield. The mismatches are created by whom tight ends primarily. I just find it fascinating and I love that these guys have their own language, their own lingo
that players quickly adapt. Last night I was watching the second episode. I've encouraged you to do this before. I don't know if Trent had an opportunity to do it or if you folks did, But I watched the second episode of Hard Knocks in c a off out of season with the Giants and the decision for their front office to move on from Saquon Barkley, them at the combine, watching various players run the forty and do different things, and the
interviews that they had. So Brian Dabel, their head coach, brings in certain players Jaden Daniels, he brings in JJ McCarthy, he brings in Caleb Williams. And what does he say? He says, draw me your favorite play right now on the whiteboard. Draw me your favorite play and how it can match up with just about every defense. So they do that and then Dable says, this, replace the X with the Y, the Y with the Z, and the Z with the U or whatever. So the quarterbacks
are all erasing doing that. He says, I want you to tell me. He gives them a play, and then he says, give it back to me. And the play's extensive. Man, I mean it's not one for one blast, that's not a play. Their play takes into account of offensive lineman calling the routes, what the running backs in charge of. There's so many different things that it's tough to comprehend. Then he says to Jaden Daniels, give me an experience at home. He wants a personal experience.
Jaden Daniels starts to give him the personal experiences. Pause for a second. Give me the play again. That I just in other words, his mindset is going towards something else. But he has to recall so quickly from Brian Dable that there's no hesitation. It's fascinating. It's great stuff. And on top of that, they're getting all this information. The coaches are from their scouting department. What do you like about Moligue neighbors? Do you like about
Adonsay? What do you like about Marvin Harrison Junior, and they're so they're getting prepared for the type of player that they are. Remember the kid out of Texas who ran the fastest forty the wide receiver. His name escapes me right now. Trent probably knows it. Anyway, they're sitting here watching him run and he does a four two five forty. The record is four two to two by Josh Ross out of Washington, and they say, man,
let's see what kind of competitive kid this is. He runs it again and breaks the record and they're like, man, he just might have moved out the board. They love the competitive nature of its. Xavier Worthy. You're referring to Xavier Worthy, thank you very much. So he breaks that record of John Ross and then boom, Maybe maybe that moved him up the ladder because of the competitiveness. It's a fascinating thing. Let's go to the phone
lines. It's the Meyer hotline. Eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. Who's up? We got Dave in Hudsonville. Dave, what's going on? How are you? Man? Hey, chef? How you've been man doing okay? How about you? Good? Yeah? Good summer break? And excited that the tigers are playing well and love the topic today. So I'm going to give you an example and kind of build on that
from years in high school coaching and administration and so forth. Yeah, I had a coach one time, a veteran coach, and he brings a parents in and you know, in today's society, everybody's an armchair quarterback, and everybody thinks they no you know, and so forth. He'd say, especially in football, and you've coached, so you have an idea, you know, and so forth. But he'd say, especially at the beginning of year meeting, He goes, I just want to share something with you guys now,
just so we're all aware of this. He goes, this is my profession. He goes, my father did this for four decades. I've done this now for three and a half decades. That I am not going to come into your business and tell you how to sell insurance or do banking, or be a doctor or whatever it maye might do. And he goes, I won't expect you to do that here because you really have no idea, right, he goes, You're not in practice every day. You don't know
what goes on with this. You may think you do. But I want to tell you this too. You're all biased because you love your child, which you should, and you're going to be telling your child, Oh my gosh, you know you should be playing. You should be doing this, you should be doing that. He goes. The people that know are in practice, the players and the coaches, and he goes, so please understand
as we go through this that you're not an expert. So if you may have played any answers, that's wonderful, but you don't do it for a living. And that was always tremendously powerful. And the coaches that deliver those same messages to kids, to say, your mom, your dad, your grandparents, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, whatever, going to tell you you should be playing, you should be starting the private coach you hire now, which is a million dollar industry. You know, they're all going to be
telling you this. And the people in this room know, and I think that, and the best programs and the best coaches introduced academic vocabulary starting in their youth programs and they build it right through their high school programs. Yeah, it's the same, it's the same. It's the same vocabulary. The good programs have the same vocabulary. So the kids learn it early and then
it becomes second nature by the time they get into high school. Yeah, and what you're talking about now is at the highest levels of the sport, you know, where you're talking about this conversation you had with hard knocks or whatever, that's when you're getting that. That's how darn good these guys are. You know. It's like right now, you see the World Series of Poker for millions of dollars. It's just one move. Everybody is. It's
like a Sunday on the PGA. It's like NASCAR. Everybody is that good. And it's a fine line between what makes a champion or what makes a win and what creates a loss. It really is. Yeah. I love the topic, but most people don't get it. Yeah, here's what I would ask you. I don't know how much you've experienced this, I do believe. Look, look, parents, you're right, they get emotional. I used to go to practice all the time and watch my kids in high
school. Used to do it every day every chance I got, and it would be just about every day with all my kids. I mean, their teammates would be like, who's that up there? That's my dad, you know, just I would drive to my son's college and go watch this lacrosse practice, and they actually said to me one time, I mean, we really don't leave our practices open. And they're all stretching, and the college coach says to my son, who is that up there? He says out
loud, and my son reaches up. He's like, Oh, that's my dad. Your dad drove here to watch practice. Yeah, that's what he does. It just happens. I do believe it doesn't mean that coaches can't be wrong. Okay, I do believe there are coaches who don't always make a the best decisions, but also play favorites at the high school level, play favorites based on ability rather than work ethics sometimes well, and I think
that can be to a variety of things. I mean, any coach you have your kind of guys or guys you trust, or guys you think this or that you're exactly right. It becomes a philosophical peace. Yeah you know. And so I'm sure at some point you probably coached all your kids in youth sports in one or two or three U sports, as did I, and there has to be a point where you're not their coach anymore, you
become their father. I had to go from being the coach, so sitting in the first row for my first one, to then sitting in the top of the gym or the top of the stadium by myself, just to stay away from it, just to let them have their experience. They exactly right. Talk to me exactly now, talk to them about it. Yeah, it's such a great point, man. I wish more parents would feel that way. And I appreciated, Dave, all that you've done as a father
and a coach, but and as a caller. I appreciate it very much. Have a great weekend. I do believe there are I said this to my kids all the time when when they would be frustrated with a coach. I don't care how old they were, when they were frustrated with a coach, I would say to them, you go talk to them. I'm not fighting that battle, okay. I'll support you based on what I've recognized in practice, based on what you've told me, and based of based on how
the coach is acting. But you go talk to him. This helps you communicate with adults, and it takes you on a responsibility path. We'll continue the conversation on the other side, because that's a really good point and I've got some examples. I'm sure you do too. We'll be back with more exes and bros after this. Hey, Michigan, let's go Bay. I'm humming more Alliance all Pro Wide Receiver and I'm talking real big time winning on
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