Welcome back. Second hour of the program. Greig camp you will join us at eight thirty five, but the Oakland University had basketball coach earning the contract extension. He'll join us at eight thirty five. We will replay in our next segment, replay our conversation with Michael Harraw about eighteen after the hour. Mike joined us yesterday talk about his experiences in the Lions this year. Dan Campbell also said something yesterday that I thought was pretty interesting, and that is,
you know, we can't do Ron Burgundy. We can't just read off the prompter. You've got to do. You gotta do something different. Understands that they've had guys who've reached the Super Bowl. I'm glad our expectations. I'm glad. I'm glad the organization's expectations are the same as the fans expectations. Good for you. We've gotten there. They helped us along because of
what they did a year ago. We've gotten there minus a catastrophe Jared Goff getting injured for the entire season, perhaps a guy like Hutchinson or Sewell getting injured for the entire season, or a rag Now I might add, the expectations is getting and winning the Super Bowl. That's the way it should be. Others, other organizations should have the same expectations. Now, the Tigers, we've talked a lot about. The Tigers announced something yesterday that did not
go over very well. I'm not sure who's handling this stuff. It's just have you ever heard the phrase, take the temperature in the room. It's basically telling you understand what's going on here before you deliver a joke, news, a line, whatever. The Tigers apparently want to create premium seating what they call experiences for fans, and they've wanted to do it for a while. Why they choose to announce it now is beyond me. I don't understand
it. If your team is doing what the New York Yankees are doing and winning forty five games to lead all of baseball, I can understand why you might make the announcement. Folks, we're forty five and nineteen, we've got the most road wins of anybody in baseball. But it's really the home ballpark that makes the difference, and we're going to allow that difference to be felt by you. We're announcing new premium seating experience coming to Yankee stadium in twenty
twenty five. The Tigers. In the meantime, what do they do? They announced this, ladies and gentlemen. We're in second to last place. We're nine and a half back. We're thirty one up, thirty one down, playing better as of late. But hey, guess what, We've got premium seating experiences for you starting next year. It's a great project. It's
going to provide significant upgrades to the fan experience that was met poorly. You see, the beauty of being down low at a ballpark is the opportunity for fans to go there and get autographs as guys come off for batting practice or go out to batting practice. That's an experience. Now what you're going to do is create a home plate club and have new loge boxes. Sounds great, doesn't it. But people were pissed about this. They are not happy
at all. Ryan Gustason, the president, says, our goal is to continue investing in creating a variety of best in class experiences for all fans. Here's what fans want. They'll watch from a high school field. If you give them a championship product, people have to I've never understood how people don't see the big picture in things, have a pulse of what fans are experiencing right now. You should know that coming out with this type of promotion,
that's really that's not fair. It's not a promotion, this type of news to try and sell to fans to get to get them excited about what's going to be the response? You know what the response is going to be, right, what is it? The response is to see what a five hundred baseball team, a team that doesn't win invest in the product on the field. That's what they're going to say, and that's exactly what they have been saying. You want us to get fired up over new lows boxes, the
home plate club while your team is average it best? What are you doing to get us fired up about our baseball team? I remind people this all the time. We don't have a large window of good comfortable days in this state, do we. What would you say it would be? What's the range mid May through what mid September? Maybe people want to go on their boats, People want to go up north, people want to go golfing. They want to enjoy their backyard barbecues. They want to have people over on
their back porch on a Friday night and all that other stuff. They put your game on great, they get fired up about your team super in order for you to get them to your ballpark and miss out on some of the other things that they don't have a large window to do. You better put a decent product on the field. Do they have a decent product? Does it make you say, yes, I'm going to leave this, I'm gonna postpone this. I'm not going to do this so I can go down there.
Not the home plate club, not that quote unquote best in class experience for all fans. First of all, it's not for all fans. Second of all, people aren't going to be all kinds of fired up for that unless you're going to put a winning product on the field. The high end experience built beneath the stands and located on the service level between the two clubhouses. Now, I will say this, I like the opportunity to do that at the right time. I don't know when the right time is, but
it sure isn't right now, I don't believe. But I do like that opportunity. Dodgers have it, a lot of high end teams have it. They do it makes for something, you're gonna put something else together. Great, you're taking out four hundred and ninety seats behind home plate. They're going to insert three hundred and fifty premium seats in that area, so they're going to give you something. It sounds like a cool experience. I just don't
know how many people feel that it's worth it right now. Eventually it should it have been done a long time ago. Should you have had the foresight to do it, much like when the Palace did it before? Everybody else? Yes? Is there ever a good time? You bet there is. Doesn't mean it's now, And the announcement coming in early June while your team is at five hundred is probably not ideal either. It's great for you because you view it as an experience that'll take your franchise to a different level,
but you're not thinking like a fan right now. The fan is not happy because of the way the team is performing. When we come back Michaelhera, we interviewed him yesterday, we'll replay the interview about his tenure as a Lions beat writer, why you should be encouraged with these year's Lions team, and some pretty good stories. Greg Campy joins us at A thirty five. This is ex'es and bros. Across the Great State of Michigan on the Michigan Sports
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of Michigan. I mean, there are certain writers where you look at and you say, you know what, I believe him. That's not always easy. A lot of people feel like they have been fortunate to work with a legend like Mike O'Hara, who's in the Michigan Sports Hall of fame, and rightfully so, he's been doing as well as anybody. From nineteen sixty six through two thousand and eight he was of the Detroit News and after that time with the Lions in on Lions dot Com, and he's been a Lions beat
writer since nineteen seventy seven. He has served his country and he has served this area so gracefully and so well. And he joins us now that he's going to retire on Monday, and rightfully so. Michael Harris with us here on Exis and Bros. Michael, thank you, congratulations. It's so well deserved. How did you know it was time? It just felt that way, And I think I was probably a year late. I probably should have
retired last year or not this year, not this year. Just it's just the things that were easy to do were quite as easy, and just just I just had that feeling that it's time to go. But now I guess I think I kind of got caught up in the new organization and all that thought. I could just see see what they had in this last year, and it turned out they had a lot. And I don't regret staying another
year. I really don't. Yeah, I don't think anybody who reads your synopsis, your breakdowns, your analysis, uh fe feels that either what have you enjoyed most about your career? Well, you know, I'm not a player, so I can't, but it's very similar to that for us. You know, it's the test room, just you know, kind of to come to work and the the insults start to fly and and all of that.
And then I start to talk about things in the game, and you know, it's still competing, don't get me wrong, but but you know what it's like to start talking about what happened yesterday, what might happen tomorrow, you know, And that was the fun part, just sort of interacting with with guys from you know, from the other other papers and other media outlets. That that was really to me, the fun of the business. What's interesting, too, is that this team might have its best opportunity.
You would know this better than I, but this team might have its best opportunity to reach the Super Bowl, and you may not be able to write about that if you're leaving on Monday. Did you ever think about that as you were contemplating this decision. Well, that's why I stayed another for this year was another season we just had no I thought about it. Yeah, but no I didn't. They wouldn't do it for that reason. I wouldn't.
By the way, I just like to mention one thing. The guy who's made all of this a lot easier is Tim twenty than you know. He came over from the Trade News year about a year before I did, to the and I think he's probably one of the most prolific writers I've ever been around in my life. He just does so many days, he does it so well. It's really been a pleasure looking with Tim. Yeah, it's a great point. He's excellent at what he does. And yeah,
he really is. And he sent something out on Twitter. He's been so well accommodating, endearing and understanding and willing to learn. I mean, it's funny, even when you do it for as long as you and Tim has done, you can still learn from people. And absolutely yeah, and he wrote, look, legend, I'm so fortunate to have been able to work with and learn from Mike at both the Detroit News and here with the Lions over the last twenty years. It's not like he staked a claim to his
territory and said I'm sorry. I feel threatened by a legendary writer. Instead, he opened his arms to you. And I think you've done that for quite a few people as well. So many stories with the Detroit Lions. I'm sure you get asked this all the time by people. So I'll just be one in the many of a line of people who've asked you this, Is there any one particular player or storyline that sticks out to you in all the years you've covered this franchise, Well, this one really stands out,
and it is not a good one. I don't think that Berry Sanders retirement was That was one, and I was expecting it, I really was. And I'll tell you a quick, little quick story that one of the writers for ESPN had had just a little item in his column that off season that Barry wasn't happy and he sort of had a sense of that, you know, And so I called his father, William, who I got to know somewhat not you. We want close friends, but he was always accommodating to
talk. And I said, mister Williams dot Williams. Anyway, I said, I asked him to say that, but I read on Sports Illustrated and I said, what's the deal? And he said, he's sick of them, He's sick of losing. Oh boy, this is going to be something. It turned out to be just a blockbuster story from that moment until Barry Sanders, you know, did not show up for training camp three months later
or whatever it was. And and it was just to me that was probably the biggest story that I covered, was involved with, or what whatever you want to call it. Michael joining by the way, I'm sorry just one to think that wasn't my favorite, because I wanted to see Barry Sanders play and not just a great player, but a great person too. But to me it was the most obviously had the most impact. Michael here joining us here on Exis and Bros. He retires Monday, and he's a Michigan Sports
Hall of Famer. He's been the reason you read about the Lions for for so many decades. When you when you look back at all the teams and all the players you've covered, is there what's the biggest misnomer that people failed to realize about a player or this franchise That the Forges don't want to don't
care about winning and losing, and they very much about it. That's why it made so many changes, and I'm just going since I came on the beat in nineteen seventy seven, you know, I forday add up the number of coaching changes and canel canes and all that, but we'd be here for a month and a half or something like that. They put all that together. But you know, they care very much and they always have, always
will through different generations. You know, mister William clay Ford passed away, and think it was nineteen nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty for something like twenty I'm sorry, twenty thirteen. And then is his wife, Martha Firestone Ford took over and absolutely committed to winning. And then now Sheila hamp the daughter and really has been on the just the front line there of changing things for the Detroit Lions, and she's been successful. She's had a success that the other
ones haven't had for whatever reason. What do you like about this Lions team? Younger players with talent and speed? I like speed, and then they have that. They have a lot of other excusely a lot of other things to do, but they have also interchangeable pert and I don't think if you look at that team, nobody has it all. And it's just it's it's
impossible. What really is because no matter how well things are going, you're going to have they're going to change personnel from one season to the next. I mean, there's a big somebody came up with a figure one time on the average thirty percent of your rosterial channel from one season to the next. I don't know if that's exactly true that I'm sure it's not staying off.
And so that's the hard part is putting all these players back together. But the however they've done and through the just great drafting, you know, really Brad Holmes, the general manager, and with the head coach Dan Campbell, you know, chiming in, they've really been able in three years. The
first three years. We haven't seen this year's team play yet, but in the first three years they've really put together good players, not just first round players, but you know, all the way through the through the through the roster and through the draft, they've been able to put together good players on the field for the and going to be good not just this year and next to it. They're going to be good for a while. They really are. They only have like any aging players that they have to get rid of
the Pretty Solace from talked about him. He's been writing in this area since nineteen sixty six. He's covered the Lion since nineteen seventy seven. He's a Hall of Famer. He's Michael Harra. Mike, thanks for your time. Congratulations, appreciate the friendship and all that you've done and keeping things interesting for Lions fans, whether they're winning or losing. You deserve this, my friend. Congrats, Hey, Chip, thanks thanks for calling me. I appreciate
it. Good stuff with Michael Harry yesterday. Hope you enjoyed it. He will have the rest of this weekend to write and then he's done, and there are things to talk about with the Detroit Lions a lot. It might be a little. And I asked him off the air about this when he and I first talked a couple of nights ago, and look, this is a this is a time where you want to cover teams like the Lions because not only are they good now, but they should be keywords, should good
for a long time. But there comes a point in time where you're like, Okay, I've done this long enough, I've achieved everything I could want, and I have to be able to dictate things myself, and he's doing that, and I give him a ton of credit for doing it. Love
what he's brought to the table for us. For a long time, we've had we've been very fortunate in this town and in this state some really exceptional writers in a lot of different areas, not just Michae O'Hara, but also Kurt Sylvester for example a long time ago writing about the Lions, Tim Twentyman right now, many of the players, many of the people, Dave Briquette, we've had them on, Kyle Minkey, guys who have done a really
nice job of covering various sports. Mick McCabe has done it for decades covering high school athletics, and we'll have him on someday here on Axis and Bros. But it's been an enjoyable ride. Oftentimes those rides have to come to an end, unfortunately, and for Mike O'Hara and those who appreciated and enjoyed his writing, it has as well. About an hour from now, Greg
camp people join us on XES and Bros. Talk about his contract extension and talk a little bit about why he remains at Oakland University, what a job he has done. We're back with more after a brief time out. It's twenty eight after the hour on Exus and Bros. Across the Great State of Michigan. Ready set drop with Soaring Eagle Casino and Resorts Clinko Craze. Get in on the action. Every Friday in June, every hour from ten am
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Thirty five after the hour. One hour from now, Greg camp you will join us the head coach of Oakland University of Basketball. What are they doing right now? What's going on with all the things that they may have on their plate and how they're handling it, His contract extension, his run in the NCAA Tournament a year ago, all those things, nil, how is the landscape change. There's a lot of things to discuss with him, and
we will do that with Greg Camby at eight thirty five. Speaking of college basketball, Dan Hurley is expected to have a face to face with the Lakers today. It's kind of crazy, isn't it. JJ Reddick was the name everybody was thrown around like it was a done deal, and suddenly Dan Hurley's name is thrust into the conversation and he will be in for an infase interview today. We do know that he has in the past talked about wanting to be part of an NBA coaching staff, want to be a head coach in
the NBA. I just we touched on this little bit the other day. I just don't know how his it's not personality, it's his coaching style fits the NBA game. It is totally different. Man. If he happens to get the gig, he would be the twelfth college coach in the last thirty years to reach the NBA coaching fraternity. The combined winning percentage of the eleven coaches before him is forty five percent. And it's not like those guys were
bad coaches in college and decided to move on. John Beeline, who I know, well one just fourteen games. He's an excellent coach, excellent coach, and after fifty four games resigned. Why well, players work differently in the NBA college coaches. Not that NBA coaches don't watch film, they do, but you have an opportunity to educate and teach more at the collegiate level. How's that guys at the NBA. That's not what it's about anyway.
So John Beelin was one of them. Billy Donovan made the jump in twenty fifteen. He's only one of two coaches who left college to go to the NBA who has a winning record in the NBA and he's still coaching five years of a thunder. Also was the head coach of the Bulls, Right yeah. Fred Hoiberg made the jump the same year, went from Iowa State to the Bulls, spent four years there. A little friction between him and it was Jimmy Butler at the time. He's now back at the collegiate level.
He's still at Nebraska, right yeah. Brad Stevens is the other coach besides Billy Donovan on the list to have a winning record in the NBA and then of course bumped up to the Celtics front office. And look at what he's done. You talk about a guy who knows what he's doing. You were looking for a guy who has a vision, a guy who can coach, relate, talk to the players, and then has a vision on top of all that. You bet Brad Stevens is that guy. He's he knows so
much about what he's doing. He might be a guy I would if I were an owner and I really wanted things to done the right way, I might take him and give him part ownership in order to lure him from where he is now in Boston, you would give him a partial ownership piece. He took Butler to two final fours, left for the Celtics eight years there. Missed the playoffs just once and that was his first year, by the way, went to three conference finals. He was coach of the year or
no, he was close to being coach of the year. He was a finalist quite a few times. I don't know exactly how many, but quite a few times. And now he's the president of basketball operations. Danny Ange leaves Stevens takes over. You want to know, not a huge Seltics fan, okay, but if you really want to know how to build an organization the right way, look at what Boston has done. Everybody, every franchise
makes mistakes, but look at what they've been able to do. Danny Age as much as you and I despised him as a player, not at BYU, not with the Toronto Blue Jays, but as a member of the Boston Celtics, as a player, that dude went to the front office and knew what the hell he was doing. He did a really good job in the front office in Boston. And then when he's gone, they bring in Brad Stevens and look at what he's done. Consistency, expectations, a way of
doing certain things right. This is how we do it here. It's not a song. It is a song, but it's not one that I'm referring to here. But this is how we do it here, and this is how we're going to continue to do it. This is the blueprint for success with our franchise. So Brad Stevens Billy Donovan the only two who had winning records overall as head coaches after making the leap from college to pro. Reggie Theis is another. He left New Mexico State and went to Sacramento. It
wasn't long season and a half, not good. Got fired his second year when he started six to eighteen. Do you remember Mike Montgomery. He was at Stanford, had a Final Four appearance in nineteen ninety eight, was Coach of the Year, inducted into College Basketball Hall of Fame, went to the NBA, took over the Golden State Warriors. Two years there, thirty four up, forty eight down in both seasons. Then he got the boot. Leonard Hamilton. I had forgotten this one. Leonard Hamilton coached at Miami.
So the Hurricanes was pretty damn good there, right, Oklahoma State Miami. Then went to the Washington Wizards. Lasted one season, nineteen wins, the fewest in their twenty four year history at the time. Lon Krueger. I remember Lon Krueger Illinois. He went to Atlanta. How long did Lon Krueger last? Not long? Twenty seven games into his third season. Fired Tim Floyd Iowa State, then Chicago. Boy, you think the Chicago Bulls would
learn a little bit. The Chicago Bulls do it with Fred Hoiberg. They did with Tim Floyd. Prior to Fred Hoiberg. Tim Floyd was really good at Iowa State, couldn't get it done in Chicago or Charlotte. I think he was head coach at Charlotte there too. And then of course two others. John Kellapari, we all remember that he was at UMass then went to the Nets. Everybody thought it was a coup, this is going to be great. Lasted two and a half seasons. He was three and seventeen in
his third season in and they said enough is enough, goodbye. And then PJ. Carlosimo seton Hall than Portland. Now he had a longer run. Three years in Portland led them to the playoffs each time couldn't get out of the first round. Then went to Golden State. You remember the Latrelle spree Weell choking incident during practice. Fired after three years with the Warriors, bounced around a little bit, assistant with Brooklyn Seattle. Seattle went to Oklahoma City.
So both those two organizations and now as an analyst on TV Slash Radio, those are the quote unquote legacies that you'd be looking at if you're Danny Hurley. I guess my question would be the money is one thing, right, I mean, it's hard to tell somebody not to chase. First of all, if you've always wanted to coach the best at what they do, of course you do. I get it. And the money, who's going to say no to that? I'm sorry. It's a factor. Way of
life is a factor. So I get all that. I don't know why teams don't look closer at coaches personalities and how it might relate to the NBA player, not just personalities, because I actually I think John Beelin's personnel, the way he coaches it would be fine for the NBA. It's how you go about it. He was a film hog, always watching film wanting players to do the same, just don't do that. He was a fundamentalist.
Works so hard at helping players pass to the outside hand, pivot the way they're supposed to do things with the opposite hand as often as they do with their dominant hand. All those things going to help guys up after getting knocked down. Something simple, yes, but something that was oftentimes taught and expected. Folks, that's just the way the NBA wants it handled. It's a
different way of coaching. Ken. One of my first questions if I were interviewing a college coach would be, what is it about your style you think works best in the NBA? How will you accentuate that? And then what about your style won't work in the NBA? And how are you going to either eliminate that or curtail that to make sure it does work. I wonder how many front office people actually ask that question or those questions or even care. See it's the shiny new toy, right, Yeah, I get it.
Danny Hurley was phenomenala at Connecticut, and I think his team is preseason fifth? Is that right? Ben? I think preseason fifth coming in so be it, But just because it works at the collegiate level. Just because you can coach at the collegiate level doesn't mean that you can coach at the highest level. Would the respect be there? And I think that's important. Yeah, I do. I think the respect would be there. But look, man, I mean the way you communicate, the way you handle your
practices, the way you handle huddles all very important. I think the reason a lot of guys. You'll see a lot of coaches who are successful who maybe weren't the greatest player. Now it's a little different here with Jason Kidd and his success with Dallas. Rick Carlisle wasn't a great player, but he was around. He played with great players, Larry Burr for example, Kevin McHale, he was with some great players. All those things. They're soaking
in that knowledge. There's no doubt about that. He knows how to handle it. Jason Kidd was well aware. But then you've got guys like Joel Minzula. They're not playing, but they understood, they understand how you communicate, how you motivate NBA players. It'll be a fascinating follow with Danny Hurling to see if that ends up working out with the Lakers or an NBA team down the road. Now, speaking of the NBA, there's a guy who
does ESPN and ABC. Now, I'm I don't know how much you're a huge fan of Kendrick Perkins as an analyst, very deadpan, very dry. But it's so subjective so I can appreciate it. But look, he's been doing it for a while now, and give him credit. He's willing to take on the biggest names in the sport, including Lebron James. Lebron James recently had a statement on a podcast where he said he was so blanking mad
that he's not Kyrie Irving's running mate anymore in the NBA. They won a championship in Cleveland together, as you know, and Kenrick Perkins was pretty ticked off about it. Here's what he said. He said, Here we go again, Lebron James, weasling his way into somebody else's moment. This says not about you. Your team is at home. This is about the MAVs and the Celtics. But you're so mad and disappointed that you're not Kyrie's running
mate anymore. Here we go again. I give him credit for his willingness to take on a guy that most people will not touch because they're afraid of the repercussions. Now, in fairness, and I'm not I'm sure people who listen to the show realize I'm not a huge fan of Lebron James, not that he's not a great player. I'm just talking about the person and how he handles his business and some of the what I consider to be a little conniving. I will say this about him. To his credit, he was
giving a lot of love to NBA analyst Doris Burke. He wrote this out on X important moment for our sport tonight, Love and respect to dB dorisburg and everything she does to elevate all of us. You're a and he put a goat emoji wrote on on as now goat she I wouldn't say greatest of all the time. I think Doris does a really good job. She's worked, she works exceptionally hard. Our paths crossed during w NBA's Detroit Shock tenure, and she said that she always wanted to do this, and I give
her a massive amount of credit because she set that goal. But more than anything else, she recognized what she had to do to get there. Nobody out works her. It's awesome she became the first woman to serve as a TV game analyst for any major men's professional championship event, and I'm sure it'll open the door for more, which none of us should really have a problem with as long as people know what they're talking about. I don't care if
it's man or woman, it doesn't matter. But she's done a really good job for ESPN and she's but she hasn't gotten it. She she has not received the accolades and the positions only because she's a woman. She's done it
because she works hard and she's really good at what she does. So if we're going to take the proverbial shot at Lebron James, you know, coach killer, like we talked about yesterday, trying to take the moment from a guy like Kyrie Irving, according to Kendrick Perkins, do give him some love for recognizing certain other things that are important in the sport too, including what we saw last night on television with Doris Burke as one of the analysts.
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you and I are not trying to get on the PGA Tour. Okay, they have different golf balls for the PGA Tour than they do for you and I out of the rock pile. Let you and I understand this. Let's enjoy the game, but let's not break the bank while trying to play the game. It's expensive enough to go out there and play a decent track, so why would you want to fill your golf bag with really expensive golf balls from a golf pro shop where they're making so much money off those golf
balls. They're already making money off you by some of the things that you're already contributing halfway house, right with the beers and the soda and the hot dogs and the like. Make sure you're saving your money where you can. Meyer gives you a great deal on some of your golf essentials so you can go out and enjoy the game you love with friends you appreciate. Meyer. It's more than just great produce and great meat and great experiences. It's about
getting the bang for your buck, and you get it with your golf game. Only admire