Succession S4 Ep 9 + Yellowjackets S2 Ep 8

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We're here to We're here to talk about Episode nine, Church and State of the Succession television program, season four, directed by Mark Mylott, written by Jesse Armstrong, and we open on the wake of election Day. New York City and the country in general are in an uproar because of the events of election night. Protests of an increasingly hysterical nature are everywhere in the city, focused primarily on atn HQ. Tom wams Gans is under a particular scrutiny

What's going on?

I mean, sure, sure, sure.

How kids I'll being threatened? How young child might be being.

Everybody's kids are threatened by a See, you know, kids are small, that's what.

That's what happens. That's small. They can't fight for themselves.

You know.

Oh, suddenly she wants to go up state. Can't go to racist Ken's racist dad's funeral. I see, seems very coincidental. As Ken says, she's too online, she's dumb. Why does she believe this? You know, Nazis are running wild in the streets. Who cares? She doesn't care. Also, I will point out that right rather's got the best of both worlds. She's the ex wife of a billionaire, so the anarchists hate her, and her child is Indian, so the Nazis hate her. I mean, what else? What could she want?

I think it's time for Sophie and Iverson who I'm guessing. I'm kind of like, you know, I test measuring their age. I'm going to put them at like twelve and thirteen somewhere around there. I think it's time for them to be the bigger person. I think it's time for them to show a little adult responsibility, a little you know, just to be the bigger person in this and say yeah, my granddad fostered some of the worst impulses currently infecting the national body, and my dad helped elect a raving

And also there's like five hundred people that you know, they need those extra bodies in the room, like otherwise it's gonna look suspicious. Okay, be prompt. How likely is it that can gets custody?

Zero? Zero? I mean, first of all, I yeah, I have a wrong suspicion that the kids are gonna say we don't want to we we don't want a change

Nothing to worry about.

That's it nothing to worry about. The fine people of the NYPD will keep them safe. Shive then shive, then shive then prevails on Lucas Matson to release this statement on those pesky Indian numbers. Got to release the statement about those Indian numbers. Listen, there's never gonna be a better time. The country is falling apart. Protesters are in the streets. Everybody is consumed with how the fuck did this guy, Jared macer get elected? Is he even elected?

Is it legal?

What the hell's going on? Is it legal? Protests, counter protests, fires, riots, Just release the Indian numbers. Nobody's gonna fucking kid.

She was right?

Matson? Meanwhile, is like she was right? Matson. Meanwhile, it was like, Hey, get me in a room with Jared Macon. I am, after all, a very tall, white, blonde man. I think as a Nazi he would look an aria at at and he will understand. Yeah, I think he'll understand I'm someone he can work with and atn Tom is of course dealing with the hectic newsday. Is these protests rack the country?

Uh?

And he's also consumed with the fact that in that New York Times story, about how the call happened. He is frankly not given enough credit for making the call.

He's like, hey, if I if I'm if I'm the one who made the call. Look Tom's right, He's like, if I'm the one who made the call, if I made the Nazi powerful, I want to get my Gobels money. Where's my where's my credit? I want people to know I am the pr person for the Nazi. I'm only getting a little. I'm getting a little, one sentence in this giant two page spread. That's it. That's it. Why is Darwin getting all the credit?

Yeah? Fuck Darwin.

He didn't even want to do I want.

To do it. Also, Tom is the wheelman. I think back right, he's front, front right, So he's got a front right. That is a prime spot, folks. And so that means he's got to get out of there, got to get to the church. But of course, you know, things are really again, very very busy at eighteen headquarters. Later, Ken learns that his stalwart assistant since season one, Jess, who has put up with all manner of things in service to kenroy Is, is leaving him. Is taking her leave.

He says, you're the fucking your job, dumb great great job, great job. Can well definitely gonna keep Jess around. And honestly, Jess has put up with so much shit I truly cannot believe this is the straw that I think that A key moment is when she tried to get Greg to not tell them to call it. She was like,

That leads us to prompt number two. What is the very best thing about working for a demanding boss who you don't respect?

I would hope in this case it would be lots of money, because the Roys are extremely friach. I would also hope, I hope it is that. I would also hope that Jess had taken advantage of Kendall's ego and his need to be cool to maybe get some stock options. I feel like Jess could be coming out of this in a very profitable way. I also feel like Jess, if she wanted to go more like the Jerry route, probably has some quite legit skeletons that she could unbury

What do you think, and of course the access What do you think that the access to ken you know, like Kendall Roy a bad human being? Do you what? What do you think Jess is pulling down in the employee of kendlroy I too.

I think so there is a generally, there's a general rule that if you are an assistant a PA, even for like a big person or in a bank, they generally say you'll never learn earn more than sixty sixty K. But we know that's not true. I think I think you're right. I think she's probably worked her way up to about one fifty with bonuses, and it's definitely not enough because that is fucking pocket change for these schmos.

Destroy it. I mean, being a accessory to the destruction of the country for a one fifty a year, like I just get that military budget money eight hundred billion. At the church, Roman approaches Frank about coming aboard his waist star project. Whatever that means.

He's feeling confident.

Uh, He's feeling very confident right now. He's got the president in his breast pocket. He's about to give the big speech, the big the big energy spot at the funeral. Uh and listen, he's ready. It certainly seems to kind of help. Can exit stage left? Should Roman ascend to the pinnacle job at wast Star Royco, Greg eager to

It's a best day of her life. Like I will just say, I believe you're about to get to this, but I believe this is arguably the power move of the episode. Oh yeah, yeah. When Caroline, who is a horrible person, I will say that we have to disclaim it.

There's a lot human being as they all are in this moment because she wants to fuck with everyone.

She reconnects all of the side pieces and the partners and the wives, Marsha, Kerry and her own Kerry, Sally Ann makes my Kerry and she said, sits them in the front row, and we actually get I mean, she freaks everyone from way star out. You know, everyone's like, what the fuck is Kerry doing in the front row. This gives her some kind of leverage. Kerry bought a lawyer because she thought they wouldn't let her in, and now she's in this front row.

It's so funny and we.

Actually get you know, I would say in any other place on market moves that this would be a sign of weakness, but I actually think we get a great new power cell that is born here. When Marsha puts her hand over Kerry's hand and kind of reassures her after making a great joke about she was like, well, at least Logan won't be fucking grinding his teeth tonight. None of us havefered to listen to that shit. I loved that. That was That was the power move of

She shiv pulls Mattson aside and she has an idea pitch mancin On an American CEO, you know, like cultural, an executive that understands the American culture, that like that mancan can be a man who is has deep seated rage against immigrants, even white ones, even Swedish people. This is a move, even Swedish people. This is a move

Dude, this is smart. That was extremely bleak, but it does appeal to mass insensibility. He's into it. He was like, Ah, you're a hot ass. He's like, you're gonna be misogynous against yourself and I love it. Yeah, that's right.

The funeral begins with some Vivaldi and the coffin walk with the family in tow, and then, much to almost everyone's chagrin, Uncle Ewen bolts I was that pulpit. Uncle Ewan, the neo socialist billionaire brother of Logan Roy who, while he often stridently criticizes his brother, is also happy to take his brother's money. He gets to the pulpit, Greg can't stop him, Shive can't stop him. He gets up there and he seizes for himself the brutust spot, the

I love this speech. I think Ewan came through strong. I was hoping he would be there. I feel like the real power line of any of the speech was who would stop a brother speaking for the sake of a share price? I think that's a really good one. I think he was, you know, tough but fair on Logan, and as we will see, he did a set up Kendall pretty well.

Though.

I do think the biggest impact this speech had was on Roman, because we knew that the kids knew that Logan was scared of water, and there's that like weird thing with Kendall being obsessed with water and water being this like huge thing in his life and his dad being terrified of it, and now we know why. I feel like there is a strange realization here from Roman about how his dad was a really fucked up, hurt person just like he is, and that's kind of why

It doesn't.

Like, it doesn't feel like he can get up there and pretend anymore. The pre grieving has run out.

Well, you mentioned it. It's Roman's turner.

Of course.

Roman has been talking about how he pre grieved and he's fine, he's doing great, all that stuff, and then as soon as he gets up there with his pink cue cards, he just folds humiliatingly under the weight of everything.

It's gushing out of orifices, the blood of life.

Shiv gets up and she starts with a small anecdote about how Dad yelled at the kids to be quiet, you know, when they were playing around outside of his study. And then she transitions to a really hard kind of like actually hard to follow and hard to parse, but also tearful goodbye, where she says, you know, goodbye to my world of a dad prompt number three. Power Ranking the speeches we got Ewan, we got Ken, we God Shiv, and we get Connor's long.

Speech that we don't.

I was.

Praying with every fiber of my being that Connor would get up after Roman. There was a moment when he thought it was time his formalist, experimental speech.

It's like James Joyce's ulysses like we're not.

The time Jason, like, don't you know, like gonna see how it goes. That's one of the things Willa likes most about it, and she is a playwright. You know, I wish we had heard Connor's speech, but it's also perfectly act that he is the one who doesn't get to speak. Power rank. The funeral speech is Roman, You're at a bottom that's gonna end up decimating you. Sorry, we knew it was gonna happen. There's a sorry, there's a perfect moment that is coming up that everyone saw.

You have shown, you have shown.

How dare you have an emotion as a as a male in this industry. You're in trouble.

Don't shive next.

I think you're right. She it was a very revealing speech, Like when she kind of kept calling Logan terrifying, I think that spoke to how the kids really feel about him. She tried to go for some of that Kendall like recognition of who her father really was. I think if she'd have just gotten up there and said the line goodbye to my world of a father, that could have been a very high ranking power speech, because that really did speak to like the immensity of Logan. But it's

I am gonna go Roman number one because I love the genre. I just love drama. You know, it wasn't also rely a speech per se, but it was. It's very dramatic. It was emotion to revel and it certainly is going to be very popular on the social media platforms coming up, and I think, you know, anytime I get to luxuriate in the heartbreak of another human being,

Five mil great deal, as Kendall says, a great deal for five mail.

Ken learns that Mattson and Shiv are going to run the old American seats play with Lincoln, so he tells Hugo. He tells Hugo to to we need to prepare the ground for this. I need you to float a news item anonymously, of course, that the family, certain members of the family are against the Gojo deal because basically because the price is too low. And he tells Hugo flat out, listen, here's what it is. And I show you my dick. I want to kill the deal, and if you want

Visius Stevens delivered.

Glad that delivering and I'm glad that finally you know it's out there, that this is what the world is, This is how it is. Man a problem with it? This is how it is. Man, you had a problem with it. What if we pay you, you have a problem with it. What if we don't pay you? Either way, I'm still gonna have a book decide to pay you or not. He's still gonna have a problem, and it's your problem, not mine. At the reception, Ken corners Colin.

Him just accidentally. It was like it wasn't really his fault, you know, it was very real.

He did kill a guy. That guy is no longer alive, right, he's dead now, and uh and Colin knows it. And Colin has been talking to a therapist because he's very, very stressed. He of course has this knowledge that Ken has, you know, taken a life, and his protector in Logan Roy is gone and he's probably out of a job. And Ken flexes by letting Colin know, Hey, I know you've been seeing a shrink. That's very alarming that you're that the son of your boss would know that you're seeing a therapist.

Very threatening, but very very.

Very threatening, and not a subtle threat at that. But Ken then comes, there's the stick, here's the carrot. Come work for me, Come talk to me. You want a shoulder to cry on, You want to put your feet up on a couch, Well you can do that metaphorically by driving me around and being my body. Ken then

H He's saying no, as he should. He's like, he calls him tiny tears. No. He is making all kinds of insults. And I have to say, this is a great moment for me because you've had this very interesting switch in Kendall, which I personally do think was probably Jess was the straw that broke the Caramel's back. But Kendall comes out of that funeral and he thinks he's a killer. He is the killer Logan always wanted him to be. He's threatening people, he's getting bodyguards to work

Yeah, to pull him away. But before that, let's get to prompt number four. You saw how MENCN, who is a born bully, treats someone who is weaker and less powerful than him, or has shown himself to be weaker by showing emotion. The kind of emotion that, like say, a son might show at the loss of a parent day at least is the problem? Number four, people who are weaker and less powerful than you. What gives why would they do that? What's their problem?

How could they?

What's their issue?

You're telling me you're you're less powerful than a Nazi president. Oh so bad. Oh, it must be so hard for you. Your dad died and you're crying at his funeral. Give me, Come on, your dad was abusive to you, and now you're crying. He's gone. Over it, he's gone. It's been it's been seven days since he's gone it.

Come on, go over it, Come on, stop it. Take your millions and and and take them up and tear them into little cleanex pieces and dab your eyes with them and get back to work.

Yeah, and me some money. What do you think this is? Yeah?

What do you think this is a handout factory? You think this is handout? I think this is the You think this is like a soup factory. Finally, Shiv pulls, making a way to talk to lucas perfectly American CEO. You know, American CEO understands the values and it's Shiv and then Shiv make sure that she that mencan knows that Listen. Whatever my personal political views are, I don't give a fuck about him because a ten viewers love you.

I think he loves that. And I also think in that moment he respects Shiven mats and don't fuck around. They don't try. Ken was doing all this amorphous analogous like are you gonna help me? When I helped you, I butted your bread and now you want to give me the jelly Madison and Shiver like, we'll if you do a deal with us, we'll just support you for like years. But you have to let the deal go first, Shiver Madson. Now listen to this business listeners who care

Outside in the streets, protests are growing. It's getting a bit Tiennemini out there. Tom says to Shive a reference

Especially when Lady Caroline comes over and congratulates them. That's right.

Uh. Then Shiv gets Carl from Matten. It's a yes, he says. Now this brings us to prompt number five and potentially the biggest prompt of the show's history. It's a yes from Mencin. It's a yes from the board. What is the yes? Who is the yes?

I think, using all my business acumen that I have gained over many years of being a rich business person, I believe it's Mencin. Because Ken is still very much trying to control the narrative of the board, and we know that Hiv has not approached Frank, Shiv has not approached Karl. Shiv has not been playing the Hugo game. The board aspect is what Ken is trying to play. I think Jered was very impressed with their little pitch.

She she can, she can have it all because she's a woman exactly.

And I think that Matt's she's gonna lean in, She'll she'll call us out. It's gonna it's she's gonna hold us accountable.

This is her fight song.

And I think Jared's people very quickly called Matson and said absolutely, that's a better plan. And also, let's be real, I think that old you know, Alexander scarsguard Matson. I think he was right. I think Jared probably liked seeing a weird, six foot five Aryan guy saying I'll do whatever you want. There's multiple airs to this, but I believe it was I believe it was.

Mancan I think that I think the pitch too about tech and social and the fact that Gojo understands that world in a way that you know, people who have been involved with cable news for the last several decades don't really understand it. That's that's a growth industry, you know, as matts And himself has said, cable news, you know atm that's for you know, sixty and seven year old angry retireing is like, this is not a growth business.

Be's li little dog and.

The little dog carrier and to help him fetch papers and fetch his slippers and and lie quietly at the foot of his chair. Meanwhile, video of Roman's lack remost speech is already circulating the internets. Is as they say, you know, boosted by the Gojo algorithm. I'm sure, and it's not great. You know, Carl and Frank are watching it. Jerry's there, and you know, of course, Jerry and Frank because they are you know, more or less decent human beings,

Okay, final prompt. How long has it been since Roman got punched? Because I feel like he's someone who hasn't been punched enough, and I feel like this was like maybe the first time he took a punch that wasn't from his dad.

Yeah, not counting from any of his siblings. I'm gonna say that what is Roman Roy probably like thirty seven or thirty eight I am gonna guess that he has not been slugged for twenty years. I agree, I agree. Yeah, let's go down the Roy family. When's the last time that Ken has been punched?

I think Ken has been punched in the last like two years at least, because remember, he's going out, he's like smoking crack, he's getting into Shenanigans, he's going to a bar, he's he's hanging out with people who probably get sick of his ship a lot quicker than the rest of them. So he's probably taken more more hits than I feel like Rome has been relatively condil aside from the Charlt abuse.

I think that's right. And and of course Ken did take a pretty pretty hard hit when his forehead hit the steering wheel of the car that the young man that he killed, Yes, died in Conroy. When's the last time Connor now he may have he I think he might have secret Service protection now. So it's certainly I knew like Connorlander.

Maybe I knew like Conna probably could talk his way out of many situations, not because he's particularly good at it, but because you would just get bored. You'd be like, please stop talking. I'm not even gonna get into this. He's also very tall, so I think Connor I think he might be running in along not punched. Also, we do get an interesting insight into the secret closeness that

Yeah, that I think that was clearly the case where Logan was like, here's something that you can handle. Will you close this deal? From my mother?

Also final grim power play by Logan because the Mausoleum did have space for the family.

He was like, you going me, you know you can enjoy it. And then finally Shivroy.

I hate to think about it, but I reckon she's almost as recent as Kendall. She her relationship with Tom is very bad. I I won't I won't allege that Tom is a wife beat up. I believe ship has gotten herself into some very bad relationships, and she also chats a lot of shit, and as we say in England, chatshit get banged. So I'm sure she's had problems. I believe it's a problem.

It's a little bit of a trick question, because a couple of episodes ago, of course, Tom did flick her your lobes, saying that they were thick like barnacle.

One of the best insult. Gonna count it one of the best insult.

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Well, we're you're joining us on a on the perfect day. Ronda Santis has recently announced that he will be joining Elon Musk and together they will be announcing Ronald. I'm close with him, so I can call him Ronald, Ronald, Ronald's presidency, his his chase for the presidency, his presidential campaign, as it were. Gentlemen, Lucas Matson and Jared Mancin are Elon Musk and Rond de Santas.

I can see that, I see.

I think the question of who Jared Mancin is actually a really interesting one, and I think people looking for like, oh, is he Dissanti, is is he Howley? Is he Tom Cotton and like I always felt very clear to me who he is, which is he is the exact person that I've always heard every democracy watchdog like professional say they are most worried about. Which is a like Donald Trump demagogue plus s a far right YouTuber.

Oh yeah yeah, like a smart Yeah, he's a smarter Donald.

He seems smart.

He's a smarter ruth.

Nobody seems all that charismatic. Like it was that speech on election night where he was it's a little didn't it didn't move you? Hearing about the purity of the American American fascism is very like Donald Trump's true Yeah, yeah, Like I feel like.

Jared Makin's brand.

There is a little I have listened, unfortunately to a lot of far right YouTubers and a lot like his sighting of like Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine. That's like very like Mike Cernovich, like Robert Spencer and anyway, this is not us exactly bringing the pod to the life.

Well, he he definitely does feel like somebody that Esquire would have interviewed in twenty sixteen and called like an interesting alt right figurehead.

Right, He's a fire he's a fire.

Brain he's dressed stylish for you guys.

He throws a bomb throwers.

The complex message of Jared Mancin.

What was that line in the Times the cool Kids Philosopher? They say Shapiro. Yeah, yeah, I think there's a touch of Ben Shapiro in there.

Max, How would how would Maggie Haperman cover making.

No comment? Okay, but but it's.

It seems like, you know, Macancon.

Would be calling Maggie every seven would be just all You would not be able to walk past Maggie's cubicle without saying it should be on the phone.

You'd be like, oh, it's mancan, isn't it?

And he would just be off floating some like crazy in her gossip that she would then put into the newspaper.

Yeah, there's an interesting moment in this latest episode where Ken tells Rava that she's too online, too online, I guess because she cares about her kids, which I've always thought of as a weakness.

Definitely.

Yeah, your thoughts on Rava being too online or the criticism in general of being too online?

Yeah, it's funny because I think too online is the type of criticism you level towards someone when they're it's meant to say that you're not really in touch with reality, right, that your reality is just the Twitter conversation, right. And what's funny about Kendall using it is he's so far

It Actually it reminded me of like late twenty sixteen when Trump was, you know, both nearing and then had won the election, where I feel like a lot of people were telling the I was too online because it'd be like, hey, when this happens in other countries, like here are the things that happens, and here's how it goes. And everybody's like, oh, you're being hysterical, and like, what was the line take take him.

Literally and serious seriously? Yeah, Selena Ziito, thank you, Yeah, but there was. It also reminded me of the period between the election and the insurrection. How can we forget about that when everyone was like, oh, just humor Trump, He's gonna he's gonna do this for a little bit and then he's gonna golf.

He's gonna leave. He's going to leave the White House. What are you all worried about? He's going to leave.

It's amazing how many moments from the last five years you will see resonance in the show. And I have to say, I really think that this show has done better than any show, better than really any piece of entertainment art. Like the job it has done at capturing what it feels like to be America under this like era,

They did a good job.

They did an amazing they're like the way that they cover like institutions and how power broke. I was talking to a friend of mine who works in a field that it's euphemistically called election integrity, which means all of the people who were like, yeah, it's a little scary, the like poll watchers and all the like democracy watchdog

Would you say, speaking of reality, how realistic was the Roy's election party?

You know, I will say on the elect they've done a very good job of making every political scenario quite realistic that party. I don't know that the Democratic nominee staff would be at the Fox News Eles party that seems at.

I don't think. I don't think Nate would really would be there.

I do One thing that the party captured well, I thought was the sense that all of this is happening in closed rooms with all of these people, this very small number of people who are all maneuvering with like very little mind for the consequences of what happens. And I think you're right that this last episode was the first time that the consequences were starting to impose themselves on the characters who have been have been causing this for the last four seasons.

But it does capture something that happens a lot in DC, which is, you know, Republicans and Democrats who will be screaming at each other on TV or in the halls of Congress suddenly find themselves at a cocktail party together. They're just like, hey, yeah, we're friends, We're fine.

We really missed that, Yeah, desperately miss that's right.

I went back for the correspondence di inner weekend and left a day early.

Yes, in the past two episodes, we've seen this attempt by the Roy's brilliant attempt I think to leverage, you know, the leverage Democracy leveraged the country in order to get this Gojo deal killed. How often does horse trading, you know, not of this brilliant magnitude where you're like, I'm going to sell out the country level in order to get control of my father's company. Like that's great, but how often, how how realistic did you find that kind of horse trading?

I would say that before the Trump presidency, I would have said, I don't know.

That it's that.

Right, Like maybe it's a little more subtle, but with all the story, you know, Trump's like handing out pardons and Rudy's gonna like split the two million dollars with him, and like Jared's doing a deal with the Saudis. Like it's pretty it seems pretty realistic.

It's getting Yeah, it's there to the deal man.

Yeah.

And especially like the conversations between that we all saw after the Fox defamation suit between like Fox executives and like high ranking Republicans like that, that is pretty that is pretty real.

So when you were in the Obama White House with the MSNBC executives, call you who were they calling to?

Okay?

Sure, and I would just put a bag of cash outside.

My office with a big dollar sign.

Yeah in the back, and then I would then, you know, then should air my whatever I want to go on whenever I want.

It would be great.

So talking about like important, you know, realities of the day to day, where do you stand on sending blood to your coworkers?

Can I actually tell you, guys a story about getting recruited to crooked media is a few months ago and I got there was no bags of blood, but I got this call from John, who I knew a little bit, and I picked up the phonies to the John Favreau and he said, you know, Max, life isn't nice.

It's contingent. People who say they love you also fuck me.

So this is an explicit plan to fuck the pod me rule the world.

And you can come, but it won't be a collaboration.

You'll be my dog, but the scraps from the table will be millions, millions.

And here he is.

He was referring to downloads, not dollars. But I thought I'd a pretty good offer.

He is.

I will say that when we first started Cricket Media, we used a random lawyer in Silicon Valley to start doing some of our contracts with hosts for the first couple hosts, and you could tell that these were not standard entertainment contracts because I I think that we accidentally asked Ann Marie Cox to like sign over her the rights to her DNA. There was like some kind of a weird standard like like bio bio startup contract.

Yeah, this is like this. She's like, I don't think I should this. We're like, you know what we actually do not want?

That?

Is that what all those cloning booths are for in the back room. I was runnering it was in these giant tubs of good.

This is this is our version of living.

Plus do you think that this show has anything?

Uh?

You mentioned that it really seems to nail the texture the feel of this particular political moment. I wonder if you could expound on that, What particularly are the things that you look at and go God, that feels like something that either has happened or would happen.

I think that ever since, there is a feeling, especially among people among liberals, among people on the left, that fascists have to necessarily have like carefully laid plans and coherent ideologies, and that villains are like you know, two D and they're just they're always sitting there plotting about how they're going to take over the world and destroy everything right, And in reality, I think what Succession gets right is this is just a lot of rich, powerful,

I've been thinking a lot about how this show feels to me, like it's kind of in conversation with the like the paranoid thriller movies in the nineteen seventies, you guys, know, these movies like yeah, Parallax View and All Presidence Men and Conversation and this, like all the thrillers that came out after Watergate and Vietnam and kind of like captured this sense that the country had that you know, democracy was a lie and there were these vast, all powerful conspiracies, and we're in kind of.

A similar moment.

But Succession's final season feels very different, like you're saying, because there's no vast conspiracy, there's no big, shadowy plot, and there's also the like nineteen seventies thrillers usually have a protagonist who is like we're seeing, who's like fighting back to trying to like protect what's great about America. But this show is so nihilistic and bleak. There's not

To fifty years.

Yea, yeah, And that is actually a like very specific argument that is really big in political science right now, that the US didn't formally become a democracy until about fifty years ago. And I feel like that must have been a deliberate nod.

Well, well, so this argument, if you believe this argument, it goes simply because women and then people of color had a we'll call it a difficult time or a touchy time voting for much of the country's history, that somehow this wasn't a full fledged democracy.

Is that?

Is that what people are saying in the in the poly size You're.

Not You're not liking this, are you?

Are you Jared?

You're You're just looking.

For something, something clean in this polluted land, something not compromise.

Is that right?

And I also thought I thought they really got right, Like at the beginning of the Trump administration, there were a bunch of sort of establishment Republicans who went to go work for Trump and like slash former Democrats. You know what's his name, Gary Uh, the finance guy.

Yeah, yeah, we're going to keep him on the rails. We're gonna be yeah yeah.

The Committee, the Committee, the Committee to say of America, Remember the Committee to say America. The adults in the YEA and those people genuinely believed right that I am here because I'm going to have influence over him and I'm going to help stop Trump.

And you can see that in like Shiv and Kendle.

I remember at Kendall at one point was yell it was another episode yelling at his ex wife.

He's like, you have no idea what I'm trying to do here on.

And then Hiv, who is like terrified that Macan wins them in the very next episode, is like, I can impress the Nazi. I could watch and my dad. My dad died, so I could do anything right now.

Something this show really captures that speaks to that, I think is this sense that not only is nobody coming to rescue, but there's no guardrails, there's no safety. And that was something that really came through, I thought in the Election Night episode where they're just like in the conference room deciding to steal the election, and like, I don't know about you, but I found that really triggering.

Well, tend to Ndle doing a great impression of like most people on Wall Street, the markets will he'll be constrained by the markets and capitalism and the business interests.

Okay, you know a lot of what we do here at Market Moves is about predicting things. You know, even the more liberal X ray Vision hosts they predict things. You know, for you guys, what do you think the viewers should be looking out for when we come to the finale? How do they land this realistic view of America. What happens.

So I have been thinking that perhaps Kendall finally gets his crown, but he's basically, you know, ruling over the ashes and that the whole that it's not worth being the CEO of this company because you know, Mattson and everything that the kids have done just sort of destroy it somehow.

So I've been thinking that's possible.

Although I have to say i am a Market Moves fan, so I've been listening to previous episodes.

After watching the last episode, I could see a Greg, I.

See it.

I could see Greg as the s CEO. I thought it was silly at first, and I'm like.

That tight shot of Batson in the limousine there clearly there's someone who is next to them, and like, who else could it be? I mean, that was the only person I think it was missing at that point.

That would be that would be so well. So I'm really.

Curious what's gonna happened with the like way Star calling Wisconsin prematurely, which they have set up for like that might come back, and that of course like really parallels like Fox News doing Stop the Steal after twenty twenty and the show is like aligning with reality in these ways that are really interesting, but I think also make it like an even bigger challenge to land this ship, because like Fox News doing Stop the Steal we know now is like really blown up in their face. They

You're really coming about it.

I don't think we're gonna know what's gonna happen with Wisconsin. I don't think we're gonna know if you're gonna be president. I don't think we know what's gonna happen with this social unrest, which I think is actually really fitting because that's kind of where we are as a country, Like we still like a take that I like just thing occasionally.

That'll help me sleep tonight. Good heart tape, it's a good heart take you gave.

Here's it's something I'm legitimately interested in. So, you know, the Republicans have been the party of business since the late nineteenth century with this spread of banks and the spread of capitalism, and it was you know, I think you could argue Bill Clinton embracing capitalism, the creation of neoliberalism. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, people realize, oh this is let's get on board the train and say that we love it. That has it feels like we've

I mean, I think this is this a question about the show.

Well, it's a great question, but that's.

Why I think that's why I think like manke in right is like so malleable when when when Shiv and Mattson are like he's playing maybe maybe don't block the deal?

Right, yeah, right, right?

And like fascists don't really care like capitalism or not. They just they want to just they want to.

They want control, right, that's the whole disantas thing.

Right, He's going after the big corporations because they think that's going to be useful foil for him. And now Disney is the hero of the resistance, which is a little bit of a weird position to be in.

It's all, it's all in the service of power. So I think that's how they that's true.

Yeah, that does actually align pretty well. Yeah, okay, So the answer to your question is nothing matters. It's all power and money.

It's all money and gossip. Are you happy you had.

A sound.

I'm happy in the sense that you know, I understand now that there's nothing to fear from you. Guys. We've got it. The market move side is on the right side of history. Money Ascendant Jared mac In twenty twenty four. We're going all the way. We love it. Thank you gentlemen for joining us, and good luck on good luck on your on your side of things.

Yeah, thank you, thank you for having us. Good luck good luck out there on the streets.

We fly only helicopters now, we don't private, private, we'll see yeah, thank you. Up next, yellow Jackets.

We are stepping out of the airlocks and in to the still mysterious where is it we don't know wilderness of yellow Jackets, which we don't know, just some snowy place. Yellowjackets, Season two, Episode eight, with the Perfect Name It Chooses, Directed by Daisy von Schirler Mayer and written by Sarah L. Thompson and Liz Fang. We begin after Shawna's physical therapy session that ended last week's episode aka when she beat the shower of Lottie because you know, she was upset

I mean they I will say, I will say they did a pretty thorough job as we see.

That is a good point. And also they identified him through a means that they would not have been able to know about. So you make a good point. I defect. They did follow Misty's rules. They did a horrific job, as we will learn later. And Misty disgusting and Misty tyan Nat try to convince Shawna like, don't go back and see CALLI and Jeff. You need to stay here. We need to talk about this. You made us an

It worked for Charlie or shoes.

Yeah, like you know you're gonna eat a stew made of leather? Maybe you are. They're getting really hungry and they're in the wilderness. Can you see where this is going? I wonder cannibalism, remember it. Tensions are rising, and everybody's kind of already plotting on eating lot He's still warm and absolutely not dead yet body. Nat starts to wonder whether Lotty's death could be a good thing, which makes sense seeing as everyone is turning to Lotty's supernatural side,

And then I mean, it's just a a simple street line. Take, Hey, where's whe's tree? Maybe you could hide in?

Maybe I could hide in a tree so you guys don't eat me. Maybe pretty good idea, Honestly I understand. And once again in epic coach ben timing, remember he avoided Jackie's cannibalistic feast. It's a good time because the girls are losing it. Marie is seeing blood seeping from the walls. Ty can hear the dripping. It's all going horribly wrong. And speaking of horrific visions, Yellow Jackets is a really great show. We love it for many reasons,

You know, she's horny because it's the worst possible exactly horny right now.

Shauna, Please, he's like your own have found your lover's dead body. Don't be coming home and kissing me up, and then don't be chopping me with your turkey carver hands that you have apparently replaced your real hands with because your life is so boring that you need some excitement by adding turkey carvers to your stump arms. It was truly horrific, surprising no one. It was also a dream,

I don't think that he ever gets there unless something else, something else, like you know, a friend of a friend dropping a clue to the police. It's some extra pressure. I don't think he'll ever turn on her without something outside acting on their relationship.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think he's I think he's scared, but I don't think he's that scared. I think he does truly love Shawna a in a very all encompassing way that's quite defined by loyalty in lotty sharing, Shack talking about loyalty, the truth is coming out. Shawna reveals Jeff knows about the through killing Adam, and when thy classic tie here just saying tries to act like

Nobody even blinks at this. Well, there's been so much crazy information already revealed in the sharing, in the scheering check, like in the two minutes before this, that like that Misty killed another person is definitely not a shit.

And as Misty says, you know, you're welcome because guess what, I took care of it. Yes, as useful. And then Seanna's like, well, this is crazy because you're now you know that. Not only that, but the FBI has been going around to Randy asking questions about, you know, Natalie, and Natalie's like, well, I'm a Missy's like, Nana, don't worry. That was actually me and my boyfriend. We we were the ones. We pretended to be the FBI so we could find Natalie, you know, as you do. And then

And honestly a good reason for not telling them because she was afraid that, you know, that they might murder him.

Yeah, and they're like, how could you say that? And Van's like, Misty did literally murder someone she thought was the blackmailer. And then you know, it's quite the time in the Sharing Shack. I mean, who could know that so many truths were about to come out back in

Guys, can I ask an important question? Does she even need to say this? They're starving out, they would do it. They're like, they would do it in a heartbeat.

Well, it's like trying. She's like, I'm just gonna assuage them of any guilt, Like they don't need to have a question. I'm telling him that's you know, some people want to be created, some people want to be buried. Some people want to be buried at sea. I want to be eaten by my friends in the wilderness. So she just lets him know, and that will go on to inspire a very fateful conversation within the group. But first,

Bailey's on the internet as one listening to.

Not while I'm Around from Sweeney Todd, the lyrics of which say demons are prowling everywhere plays through his you know his bow's speakers. I assume some very bang and off some and expensive speaker system. And when he sees that Adam Martin's body has been found on his beloved Reddit true crime boards, he sends a message to the local police force saying he has information about the murder.

I think it's some version of cover up that may include incriminating people around. But I think he is trying to throw the police in a different direction. And I think that he's then going to go to Misty and say, hey, look what I did.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think that is the case. I also think there's a very interesting duality with Walter where I still have this theory that potentially he could be connected to Crystal in some way, and maybe what he wants is to get the police off Misty's case so that he can kind of deal with her and get his vengeance. But I also just like the idea that they're just like two sociopaths who are going to fall in love. Hannibal is one of my all time

I think that's exactly what he's gonna do. He's gonna go there, and he's going to He might believe that she is imprisoned there or whatever the case may be, but he's gonna sneak out.

YEA believe that. So speaking of sweet people doing things to protect the ones they love. Jeff has had his terrible night terror. He's seen Shanna with scary meat cleaver hat I mean turkey carver hands, let's be specific about the weaponry. And he shares some home truths with Callie, who's up drinking a beer scandalous. You know she's only eighteen and she's in high school. Guys, she's drinking a beer, trying to get to go to sleep, and Jeff tells

She gets off on the chaos. It's exciting to her. Something about just normal relationships, normal living is boring and isolating and and and entrapping to her. And she needs to break free. And the only way she can feel that she can do that is by doing crime by adultery, by committing murders.

Yeah, and then has not committed a murder when we're just feeling a bit.

Yeah, who among this is not decapitated? And uh, the the corpse of the person you were having an affair with so they cannot be identified. Then cut off the hands and then cheese greater.

It's just what it's very reliable to cheese gray as someone's tattoos off. You don't want that to be that that's a signifying mom Come on, Sean is honesty and buyers Natalie to encourage the others to open up, which, by the way, I still think Natalie is playing some kind of long game here. I'm just not sure what it is at this point, but sad times to see

I like that.

At this point, no one's even trying to find an animal, like maybe we should go and do like one scope. Maybe maybe there's some kind of like wintery animal who survived. Maybe we could climb a tree, do you know, go ice fish ice fishing in the lake. Like, yeah, there seems like there's many different options, but as Tye says, we have to find a way to save Lotty and to save ourselves. We need to eat and we're gonna

Do it.

You're gonna have to look at me while you slip my throat. Give it a try, and Seana can't do it. Travis in a choice that he will inevitably come to regret and I'm sure will haun him for the rest of his life. Just horrible shit that they do in this This this final like fifteen minutes, is so fucking bleak. Travis causes the commotion, pushes them out of the way, and lets Nap run and this leads to one of those sequences we've had teased throughout the season and flashes.

Truly I don't know any like it's like a zombie and I.

Feel like that's what they were trying to establish with this blurry camera angles. They wanted to show us how far gone they were because they do not question it. They do not for a second have any issue with trying to eat Natalie. It's happening. It's gonna happen, and she is gonna be dinner. Before we see what happens to Natalie and how she survived, which is gonna break your heart. We will have to wait and see because in a very interesting and what I think will be

This.

Lotti has gone full of Heaven's Gate, as Misty points out, and she wants the women to drink from cups, one of which has been poisoned with phoenobarbital, and that person's gonna die when they drink it. Would you drink it? What do you think, Jason? Would you drink from one of these cups? You're not drinking, thank you. I'm also not drinking drinking.

And by the way, Lotti, Lotti, why is your every idea well one of us should die?

Now I'm saying, do I need a.

Better solution to stay?

I think this is a big logical flaw in Lotti's part. So Lotti's argument is, look, in the wilderness, we would sacrifice somebody and then we would all survive because we ate them. But also the wilderness would be happy if we do that now, then time. Maybe your wife won't die in a coma, Shanna. Maybe you won't get arrested for this murder like the wilderness can hook us up. Natalie, Maybe you won't be such a loser and a drug

I am surprised, honestly that no one has said, hey, what about the other people that died? Like aren't we good?

Right? How many times do you have to do it? Like what is the cost? And like Travis died.

Like recently paid to me?

Yeah, very recently, you know, like it's and also if that was the case, Lotty, why didn't you let Nat kill herself? Like there's all these different the logic is not there. So I believe that we can see that this is something I think that is more of a struggle in Lotty's head right now than a reality. But you know, someone is faring a little bit better in the worldness. It's coach Ben. He's feeling good. Guess what he found Harvey's magical symboltry lo and behold big we

It kind of seems to me like there's chickens in them that are wood.

I'm saying that looks like.

Where's the food. There's food.

Maybe there's food in the tunnels. Maybe there's a little underground farm. Maybe there's some chickens be living down there, you know, like.

Underground farm is very interesting.

Yeah, and I have seen some other really cool theories. I think in our discord, this one's popped up a lot. The idea that perhaps the person who has been living in there and is nighttime Tie who maybe was the one who was protecting Harvey and was his friend and you know, claimed that she didn't want him to go back, which, let's be real, we find out now very right how

I am back all the way around to this show could now be completely not I think so too. I think there could. I think there could. I think the results of trauma, starvation, intense emotional tenor could have. First of all, it did absolutely result in numerous, like parallel hallucinations that did and did not intersect with other hallucinations that were going on. And I think that there is a real chance that all the stuff they think happened

Piece that would be explained by Seanna saying it wasn't real because she doesn't remember it that way.

Yeah, and she doesn't remember it. And in order for them to make sense of it all, they have come up with this framing the wilderness.

Exactly and we and that's how the episode ends. They don't want to deal with the fact that they let Hobby die after they don't you just go on and back, so Van Declare's you know, the wilderness chose and that's it.

So tell me why you think it's possible that this show could be not supernatural.

I think that the closer we get, I think there are multiple different things that could in that situation seem supernatural, like Lotti's visions, which we know are likely part of

You know.

I think that there's very interesting, unreliable narrator kind of situations occurring, and I think that Lottie fully committing to this kind of cult leader aspect of herself, which she has not done, like this intentional community. We've made a lot of jokes about how it's a cult, and but it seems like she has been pushing away from that and trying to do something positive for people, And the fact that she now is saying, hey, let's just one

Quite strong, and quite It's it's a bummer, it's like a bummer pull.

We are getting intense every day. Sunday is like the most fun. It's meant to be very razing, but we are getting fucking the most intense programming in a long time.

Well up next, no doubt.

Yeah. In today's ned out way, you tell us what you love them? Why oh a theory you're excited to share. Maya Pictures us on Gamma del Toro's mech masterpiece, Pacific Grim. I do believe it's a masterpiece. I absolutely love this movie. I also love the sequel starring John Boyega. Hi Jason, Hi ROSI. My name is Maya.

I'm a longtime xtraory Vision listener. I could listen to you guys talk about anything you want all the time, even for like things that I've not really tuned in for. I'm always there you guys, bright onw my.

Week all the time.

So for minord out, I want to talk about twenty thirteen's Pacific Rim from Germo del Toro. Did not realize we were coming up on the tenth anniversary of it, but it hit made a formative time in my life. I was working at a movie theater in between semesters for the summer we're all excited about this movie about giant robots and giant kaiju. First of all, I love monster making so like the concept and the visuals of the monsters are ridiculously I love them, the big crop one,

This movie so much.

Not to mention the fact that the scores by Rahman Dijwadi I hope pronounced that right, who also produced the Game of Throne score, West World Score if I ever need to get shit done, I'm playing that full blast, especially the theme song A great cast, Jacks Teller, Ak, Charlie Hunnam at the height of a sense of anarchy phase Rinku Koncucci.

On Peerlman, Charley Day.

And then it just Elbow giving the we're canceling the Apocalypse speech, like what more can you want from your sci fi movie? I'm not gonna mention this sequel, even though I was excited.

To see the drum player was in it. But we're not gonna mention it.

But yeah, I just I want everyone to watch the movie, rewatch the movie.

I think it needs so much more love. Thanks, Thanks Maya. If you have theories or passions you want to share, hit us up at x ray at crookeet dot com. Instructions in the show notes.

Well that's it for us, Rosie anything the plug, Plug, Plug Plug Pum.

I'm gonna plug a TV show on Amazon freeb called Primo. You can't really plug it because you're on strike, but it's really good. It's absolutely delightful. You can watch all the episodes now. It's hilarious, it's funny. Jason absolutely put a boor garlic reference in there for the Star Wars fans. Shay is obviously also like a huge pop culture person, so if that's why you listen to us, you will

Catch the next episode on Friday, May twenty six. This is the episode of x ray Vision to catch up on some Star Wars, including Star Wars Visions Volume two and its Jedi Survivor. The game that is wrestling four times in our video game Cues against Legend of Ze Tears.

The way my life has been torn into by those two games, Like, I want to play them both at the same time, and it is impossible. It is just absolutely bond because I'm very excited to talk about it because it is I think a far far superior game to the original. I'm loving playing it. Yeah, it's great.

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