Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for the second episode of season four of Succession, the final season and season two episode two of You Yellow Jackets be warned. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, the crooked media podcast where we dive the put to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.
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And of course, if you want to jump around, check the show notes for the time stamps coming up. Market Moves, Succession the final season. First up, we're entering the previously on to also enter Market Moves, our speed recap of the final season of Succession. Folks, it's tough out there a lot of chaos in the marketplace these days. Bonds, stocks, crypto, it's all tanking. No one knows what's going on when the market is punishing you. Those are red bottoms. This
is market moves. We open on the eve of Waste Stars sale to the Swedish billionaire Lucas Mattson's Gojo and Logan Roy, head of the Roy family. He's as cool as ever. He's excited. He can't wait for this new era of ATN, and he's celebrating by taking the kids helicopter arrangements away from them and then going to eight to harangue everybody and make a hitlerresque speech about how
this is now a pirate ship. Logan then puts his stamp on the up and coming new network, the new Old ATN, by getting ready to Rosie install his girlfriend slash assistant Carrie as an anchor, despite the fact that she is testing terribly on a tape that is currently making the rounds all throughout the New York media space.
Our first segment, do not buy carry stock.
Do not buy it. We are shorting carry stock. Our first question, Daddy's home. Are we long or short on Logan's ATM pirate ship era? You're pirates, all right?
He's saying fuck many times. He believes in it, but it's clear that he's going full Fox News feel as you it was Mudoc, but he literally says, we're gonna lie, we're gonna cheat, We're gonna say things other people will not say. We're buyers, we're doing things illegally. It's going for folks news. Carry is a big sign of that. It's honestly gonna probably make him a ton of money. So I'm saying bye bye bye.
You know what I hate to say it. Listen this. You know there's a big movement these days in investing towards investing according to your personal morals and political ideals. Obviously, Logan Roy and the Roy family are antithetical to everything I stand for. I'm buying. I'm big on this. I think it's gonna be a massive, massive success, so fucking spicy. They can't believe what we said. I love it. I'll buy it. What about the kids, what are the kids
up to? Well, listen to the kids need that. They need that Gojo money, they need that Gojo loot because they just made a ten billion dollar bid for Pierce Global Media aka PGM. Meanwhile, shiv Kenan Roman the Rebel Alliance are watching PGM, and I gotta say they find it pretty fucking boring, Rosie. They don't like the product that's currently on offer at PGM.
They bought MSNBC and they're pissed about it. They didn't even read it, they didn't watch it first. Also, I just need to say, look, I was a hater of their previous choice to make the hundred. It sounded terrible, But you know what, I'm with Romulus on this one. Stick with the hundred. Do what you know, spend a little bit of Daddy's money and do something that wasn't dangerous. Ten billion for this news. You don't know what to do with it. It's gonna go terribly and you did it.
It's the most expensive fuck you to your dad that anyone.
Has ever Absolutely, it's delicious. Again, we're waiting on that Gojo sale money before they they can really get off the hook for the ten billion for PGM. It's prefessorial. It's boring. Watching it is like doing homework, and they can't wait to get their hands on it. Shiv walks out of the PGM hate fest to take a red hot phone from Sandy. This is the daughter of Sandy, who is incapacitated and of course is partnered up with Stewie Ken's old pal and they are saying, Hey, this
Gojo sale. It's a little enterprise, isn't it. What do we think about putting a squeeze on the old nuts of mister Lucas Mattson. We squeeze those Swedish nuts and we get a little bit more juice out of them. What do you say about it? What do you say about She was like, I love it. She goes she kind of very very lightly, very softly pitches it to Ken and Romulus, and they're not interested. They don't want to do that. They're very happy with the prices it
currently exists. Our second prompt, you hear about mcgreb. What mcgreb and these nuts? How would you fix PGM? Ken says mcgreb East sub Saharan Africa, West sub Saharan Africa. We go Africa all the time. Would you watch that? Would you, Jess? Would you watch that? Just like what you talking about? How how would you fix PGM?
You got to fix them by just making it a logan smear campaign. Every story is terrible ATM is terrible, and you just make that your only goal. That's the only you're gonna get those rate ends people are gonna watch. Maybe you'll make some money, maybe you won't. But also just need to note here, Ship is very open to this offer because she's getting divorced from Tom.
That's right, she needs she needs it. Let's get into that. So Shiv discovers that her number one, pick number two, pick number three, pick number four, pick number five, Top five favorite divorce lawyers in New York City picks have been tied up by Tom on the advice of none other than Logan Royce, shes own father.
She says, she's got doing the same shit they eat it to their mom.
That's so brutal, absolutely brutal, looking down the barrel of a divorce that might be a lot more expensive than she was expecting. She needs that Gojo money to go up. Quite a pickle that she finds herself in. I really love the way that everybody is like there's really only one decision, which is like sell or sell for more money, and yet everybody has their own drama going on such that they can't help but backstab each other, even suddenly constantly backstabbing each other.
This episode, I think, actually cements what's so great about succession, which is every single character in this episode, apart from Greg, who's just catching mad jokes as always, but like everyone else has like a moment where you feel empathy for them even though they're the fucking worst people on earth and.
That's terrible humans.
Instantly they remind you why you should have no empathy for them, and this episode is just full of that, because Shiv gets horribly fucked over. But Shiv and Tom are so toxic. And also now you know Tom's comming for everything because he's finally in Logan's pocket. So I would be like, I understand Shiv. She needs more money. She needs more than ten billion or whatever she was going to get because these idiots spent all that money on their lively news channel.
I mean speaking of of Greg catching jokes. Oh, I absolutely cackled at the scene where so Logan goes back to ATM right and he gives a speech standing on a stack of printer paper that mine of the people, Mine of the people, that you absolutely translated into the original German, you know, and then marched towards Austria on that speech and he then and he you know, it puts in place basically a reign of terror where he's micromanaging everyone like this big huge red eyeve saw on
that is looking at everything, including the pizza. He goes into the break room. He's like, why is all this fucking pizza here? And he gets on this but then it turns out the pizza is a ruse so that he can talk to Tom privately about Carrie's ye.
Can we also say he is standing in the center of this room and he is checking how many emails people send. He's complaining that they didn't just heat up the pizza in the microwave, they bought new pizza. Can we say, Ike Palmer, this was King Energy here, not just Rupert Murdoch balls. But yeah, he really wants to talk to Tom, who, by the way, Tom was the one who lied to Logan and said the test tape was good so that Terry.
Would go on.
I thought if Logan, I think he might be getting soft. I think the kids might be onto something because Logan. I thought Logan was going to fire Tom and say, why did you make me look stupid? Why would you say she was okay to go on if she wasn't. Instead, he's like, you get rid of her. She needs to be gone, and it's on you more.
On that weakness and a bit, but I will say I absolutely agree. Number one, he's trying to, you know, be the tough guy. Had given this big speech when you know, it was not that long ago that he was having spells of an undiagnosed nature and pissing his fucking pants, unable to walk from the beach to the house out in the Hampton's when they're out visiting. What's his face? I I you know, he's he's trying to portray strength here. But back to my original note about
about Greg catching jokes. You know, Uh, Logan is like, what's pizza? There's already pizza here, we ordered, wore pizza. Greg is like, well, you know, be fair. There is uh, you know, his crusted issues. There's a bit of a song fact all right. Next uh uh Lucas mattson facetimes Ken he has gotten new the kind of uh he's you know, his ear to the street and he's got gotten word that the kids might be trying to leverage alongside Sandy and Stewie and get that price up. And
he says, listen, absolutely fucking not. If you try to get more money out of me, I will pull out of this deal and then you will all be fucked because you will not get that money, and I will be out of here.
And I just want to say, Yeah, the absolute chaotic energy of Kendall and Matson on the phone together, this is the worst posible thing that could happen for everyone. Two fucking idiots. Yeah, and Kendall is so consumed with bitterness and getting one over with Logan.
This is just the one.
He could literally go in and just back. He could just go in and be real and be like, this is what's going to happen. We need to keep the money. But no, he keeps it to himself because he wants to cause chaos. And he pretends, like you said, he backstabs Shiv. He backstabs Shift by pretending it's a good idea and going along with her when really he is intent on fucking his dad one more time, even though he just made a ten billion dollar bid that he
wanted to be that high. Here's oh Kendall, I fucking hate him.
There's can Both Kendall and Lucas have speak the language of therapy and uh and they use that language then as a weapon, Like Lucas has a great you know line here where he's like talking about pulling out of the deal, and he says, listen, I'm coming across that's coming across as aggressive. I know that's coding aggressive, but I'm just I'm just telling the truth. That's you know, I'm not being aggressive right now. This is how I speak sometimes. And then Ken can't help but like drop
you know, numerous like references to his Buddhist meditation practice. Meanwhile, Ken leaves that FaceTime smelling blood and he thinks, uh, oh, we're onto something here. If Lucas is calling me in a in a in a non aggressive of panic about the price, I think we're onto something. I think we should squeeze. And he decides to join forces with Sandy and Steing that moment, sends a text to them says, send me the send me the stats. He looks at the stats and say, oh my, oh my god, we're
under price. We'ren't a value. What are we doing. Meanwhile, Logan, also getting wind of this, is actually impressed by the kids. Squeeze, but they've got some juice. They got some real fucking juice. Connor, meanwhile, whose marriage to Willa is falling apart before it even begins Willa has fled her rehearsal dinner in a drunken panic. She is the bride and says, I need to be here. Yeah don't. I don't really they can. They could do
this without me, right. Connor, you know, is shaken to the core, but he's putting on a good kind of facade. And he makes his siblings take him to a regular person bar where guys work with their hands, and they got sweat on their hands, and.
I like those guys.
I know that he wants to go to karaoke like he's seen in the movies.
Oh that line, this is what I mean. That is a line that is delivered with so much sadness, like I've seen it in the movies. And no one wants to go with me, and you're like, oh, poor Cornor. And then you get more poor Connor as you go on, But then you remember he is like stalking Willer and is just absolutely insane.
It's so funny.
The karaoke bar showdown. I never saw it coming and I couldn't be happier.
Oh my god, and he sings a Leonard Cohen song. Oh it's so depressing, which is just makes you want to die and then Logan a true sign of Logan's desperation and how m absolutely on his fucking knees in a way like we have never seen before.
I know I was trying to work out the play, but I don't actually think it was a play. I think the play was going there and being vulnerable.
Here's my read on it. So Logan drags himself to the karaoke club to apologize to the kids for cutting them out of the family holding company and all the various things he's done, and they're like, specifically, what are you apologizing for? And the only thing he can come up with is the helicopter thing from that day.
Yeah, Everyone's like, what about when you used to like beat Roman? What about like ignoring on his whole life? How about the fact that you gave Tom all of Shiv's divorce lawyers?
And so they just absolutely they give it to him. They just pile on Logan and really humiliate him. Not to mention Carrie, who I think that this is Carrie's idea. In my mind, my head canon is that Carrie has been telling Logan, hey, be more open, be more vulnerable with the kids, if anything, just pretend.
Yea, because like a cynical level.
It will watch yeah, on a cynical level, because it'll disarm them and it'll just make everything easier. And so I think this is her move a little bit. And it also gives you know, Carrie's of course there. And this gives the kids an opportunity to absolutely ambased her about her tape. They let her know that they've seen it. That lets her know that, yes, this state is circulating and she is humbled. We should say after that, here is our third prompt? What's love? What's love got to
do it? What's love but a plant that lives on dead? In sex? What's the most devastating humbling in this episode? Is it Logan going to the karaoke club to tell his kids is sorry? Willa walking out on her wedding rehearsal, and Cohn spying on her slash stalking her through his phone or shives, inability to hire a divorce attorney, and feeling grieved because the man who she told on their wedding day that she wanted to have an open relationship
has somehow gotten the upper hand on her. Your thoughts, what is the most devastating humbling?
I do think if we look at the players, and we look at the landscape. It is Logan going to a karaoke club to apologize.
Connor wanted to be.
At the karaoke club, and he actually found a way to trick and guilt his family into doing it, so he won there in a small way, even though Willer walked out. That's Connor's on Connor anyway, because he was trying to force her into doing like a stunt wedding to get his one percent in the polls. And you know what, Shav and Tom, that's just their own fucked
up shit and he's gonna keep going on. But Logan apologizing, first of all, never happens being in that room with the like bisexual lighting and the kids are just fucking roasting him, which, by the way, I think was part of the reason he went, because he early is trying to get people to roast him and his birthday party. He's like, please roast me, come on, come on, give me, and he's missing that combative, toxic bullshit that he has with his kids.
He missed her kids, He missed his kids.
And I think that combined with Kerry realizing that she has as I think it's Roman who says it. He's like, congrats on having your betrayal cherry popped. Like she she realizes that she is not special to Logan. She's glad to be used and fucked over as much as.
They just the next one. You're just the You're just the current girlfriend. That's all I agree with you. I think it's Logan. We've never seen him on his knees like this, We've never seen him without a card like, he has no move.
He hasn't, so they reject him. That's like the biggest thing. It doesn't even walk.
And it doesn't even and recall, this is what why this show is so genius. But partially is it's it's it closes a loop if you're calling season one. Logan takes Ken to uh I think a Vaulter meeting, and you know, it's very acrimonious, and they agree on a price, and then Logan and Can walk out, and Logan looks at Kenna's and goes go back in there and ask
him for twenty million more dollars. You say, we're not We're walking away unless he get more, and he's like, what we just agreed on the they barely agree to it. He's like, go in there and fucking do it. Now they're doing it to his dad. When when Shiv says, very simply just go in there and ask him for more money, I mean, that's it's exactly They're exactly right. It's exactly what Logan would have done if he still
had his fastball. And it's very very sad and also satisfying to see Logan, who is a horrendous, horrendous person and very generous when it comes to you know, only the generational trauma that he passes on to the children in this position. It is very very satisfying. Final verdict.
We see at the end of this episode that Roman, who has tried to say that the text that he got from his dad was just merely a continuation of the happy Birthday wishes that he that he texted their father, turns out that no, they're actually quite close still, and that Roman, who has always been conflict averse and is really the guy when Logan is like, roast me, that's
who he wants that Roman energy. Will Roman stay with the rebel alliance or go back to suckle on the uh somewhat dried up but still pendulous bosom of Big Daddy Logan, where will he Which way will he go?
I sadly think it's the latter. I think the reason that that is saddest is because I truly believe, in that moment, Logan would have made that same offer to any of the kids who walked in. Like I am sure he'd been sitting there and he's like, it's probably going to be Roman, But if it was Ken, I'll offer him the same thing. If it's Shiv, I'll offer her the same thing. But with divorce lawyers, he knew what to say in that moment. He had his cards back.
I don't want you there, I need you. That's what all of them want to hear. Yeah, and my dream for this, my dream outcome is that Roman goes with Logan but ends up fucking immobile. I think of all of them, I feel like he deserves it the most to really get that final fuck you a dog cage. I think though, I think Kendall, I like your read. Look,
Kendall knows the business and stuff. But I think the reason Kendall's so excited about this is because I think he believes that Mattison will walk and I think he wants that ultimate final fuck off right, But I sadly I think Roman's on team Logan for now.
I lean that way as well. I do think that that Logan had that offer or similar kind of godfather offer in store for any of his kids. And his offer it's very short on specifics, but it's basically like run ATN at my side, you know, run it.
As you run it as the brutal hardcore roast me like fuck you. It's also very smart because it basically is like you can do the hundred, like you're still gonna get your own newsplace, but it's gonna be ATN. You know, you're gonna have to hide all the bodies.
One more question because I was unsure about this, So when HIV calls Sandy, she says, Hey, if that offer that you made is still in play, I think I'm willing to lobby the brothers to up the price. Now, if I recall correctly, that offer was chief of staff of the White House, Like, so is that what do you think that that's what it is?
Like? Fin or political? Yeah? I think it makes It's very rare for Shiv is not a desperate person, so I think it's more about weighing up. Well, I need more money. What else can I get from it? I mean that would be so nightmarishly unhinged. And I mean, look, this is I'm going to make a prediction. You know, don't bet your money on it. But I think I can see from these first two episodes ATM Logan wants
to make it successful. We have Cornor and politics. I think we can see why this kind of horrific nightmare is gonna lead. So Shiv also being in that political space would make a lot of sense.
Well, we're gonna be continuing to cover the Gojo merger the latest ongoing news at ATN the beleaguered PGM network. Right here on market moves up next Yellowjackets. We're stepping out of the airlock for an enchanted forest feast yum for season two, episode two of Yellow Jackets on the Belager Show type network.
It's belieger, but it's doing great.
It's really what the episode man. This series continues to be allowed to dig into. This episode is titled Edible Complex ha ha good pun, written by Jonathan Lisco and directed by Ben Semenov.
We're back in the meat shed and things are getting even weirder. It's cold, winter's here and Jackie is straight up taunting Shana. She's walking around, She's representing Shanna's fractured psyche while saying, hey, there's no food.
What are you gonna do?
You got a baby.
It's very, very troubling.
It's incredibly troubling. And Shawna is struggling. Yeah, yeah, And the rest of the survivors are cooking dinner which is not yet human and they're sort of wondering about Shanna's mental health, which I feel like should have probably happened before. But yeah, you know, we get an insight into why they haven't done anything yet, which is Lotty insists that the group just need to like leave her be. She's
still mourning. But Ty and Natalie are like, bro, She's in there every night, freezing to death, talking to her best friend in the meat shed, like we need to do something. And it's quickly becoming clear that Tye and Natalie are sort of becoming like the parents of the group. They're in charge of what people eat, where they poop. There's a big poop argument this episode.
Don't poop in in any kind of vessel and leave it in the cavs.
By the way, somebody in our Discord pointed this out, but poop Gate it was probably Tie. I believe this. It was probably nighttime Tie.
I think it was nighttime Tie as well, although like did she here's the question did she do it in her room with Van and then bring it down?
Where did she pop it on the way in the middle of the room, And it's obvious. It's really interesting because it shows that there's like this nighttime Tie. She's dangerous, and Tye and Nat are like getting very sick of kind of the rule breaking girls who don't really seem to understand how hard it is to survive and almost kind of seem like they're still on vac vacation while like Tis trying not to kill them all at night, and NAT's trying not to die while hunting them food
that doesn't seem to exist. Nat and Tie's surrogate child, Sawna, sadly is still in the meat shed. Nobody went to get her, which is.
Where it gets So this is so disturbing right now. Where this goes probably one of the.
Most powerful and scary moments from any of the Cold opens. So Seanna is in the meat shed and Jackie encourages her to braid the hair of her dead corpse, because if she braids her hair, no one will see that. Seagal tracks weird, but sure, and as that begins to happen, they're having so much fun reminiscing about all these fun times that Jackie's makeup box miraculously appears and Jackie's like, oh, do my makeup, Please do my makeup, So Shauna obliges.
And while Jackie looks alive in her memory, it is not creepy, but once you see her dead body, it is very creepy.
It's extremely creepy. And I don't remember who said this, which the girls said this in the previous episode, but basically called shawna Norman beats and that's this is purely legitimately what Norman beats.
Literally, And not only that, but Shauna goes one step further because in a very very very very very good scene, I mean, this show is just so good, but Jackie gets a knife and starts to cut away at her. She's like, come on, you're running out of food. Don't I look delicious? And Seawana's like stop it, and Jackie says, well, you're the one holding the knife, and obviously it's just Shawna.
They're cutting up her dead body of her friend. It's very gross and terrifying and cut of those awesomelyan nineties credits. And guess who's back. We're always harsh to I feel like today she brings she's getting just one vaguely redemptive thing.
But Callie's back. Guess what. She's still the worst. She's dealing with the fact her parents almost certainly killed Adam by getting high with her boyfriend, who she then immediately dumps because he offers to make her chocolate chip pancakes or his mom offers to make her chocolate pancakes.
I say, take the win, Like, why does that creates? Then do it?
She's literally like, my parents don't care about me, blah blah blah. Everything's terrible. And then you have your boyfriend who's like, well, my mom does care about you and would like to make you a delicious breakfast, and she's like, no, I'm breaking up with you. Fuck you. So still the worst. Honestly, at this point, Callie probably could have done with some time in the wilderness to teach her how to behave a little bit better.
She would have become a cult leader. I think, oh, yeah, exactly, she does.
Have big Shora energy. I'm not gonna lie. I think that's why she has so much beef with her mum is because she's actually really similar to her. And back in the nineties, Van has to stalk nighttime Tie, who has broken out of her ropes and essentially almost sleepwalks off the edge of.
A celles cliff. Step brother's sleep walking towards the edge of.
The Yeah, that's a good call, and it is like she's going off that cliff if but luckily she's going That has to happen.
She has a she has a vision, she is being led to the cliff. She sees, Now this is the nineties, right, and she sees like an anime version of Vincent from pulp fiction.
The only way I would describe this, Yes, now if so wondering who anime Vincent pulp fiction is. If you remember in the first season, Tie had all these memories of her grandma and her grandma used to see an eyeless man and this is the first time unless you go through at half speed of the crest sequence where you actually get that clip, you get to see him
again here. So it's very creepy and uh, it almost leads Tied to a certain death, but Van stops her because Van's nearmortal gay who apparently can do anything and never dies, which we love and uh. But as the as they head back to the cabin, we see that the tree that Tie almost slept walked past over the edge of the cliff had the cult symbol dun dun dun't dun't dun. So it's probably there's some supernatural occurrences.
It's there.
It seems there's something that the girls are connecting to with this symbol lot He seems to think it's for protection, but it is clearly growing as a source of power, even if it's just through a group delusion. And talking of Lotty, Van is like, you should go to her for help. Remember when she gave Travis that bona vision And now he's chilling. He doesn't have panic attacks anymore, and he's.
Told he's only fine now. He just doesn't have any troubling thoughts.
No, you'll never see that. You will see this episode. He doesn't have any problems. That didn't establish a strange connection between the two of them that you might not want for your girlfriend. But Ty refuses and she's like, no, fuck that. And you're not going to talk to Lotty about this either. And it's kind of clear you're seeing this chasm grow between that Nat and Tie and this
kind of logical faction. And then Lottie, who's still blessing people all over the place, and she's blessing them when they go out to hunt, and she's you know, making blood tea, all kinds of shenanigans. Sadly, in the future, present day adult Tie is not really doing much better, and she's decided to fend off nighttime Tie. She's gonna go nightmare on Elm Street hashtag never SLEEPI never.
Sleep, Ti philasophy, Never Sleep.
She is drinking fifty coffees a day. They don't show it, but I'm sure she's also taken some caffeine pills. This is like, it's Alady Kruger one I want. And I'll tell you two things. Anyone who's seen those films know that that is only effective for so long. Plus anyone who has struggled with mental health issues knows sleep deprivation only makes things a million times worse. So this is a terrible idea, terrible idea, terrible idea, And I really wish she would just listen to a strange wife and
get some help. I'm not quite sure why she hasn't done that yet. That's kind of a big question I have after this episode.
I think I know, and I think it's because, you know, she she just entered into this very very high stress, very important job as a state senator from the great standard New Jersey. And I think when you're in that kind of dream job, high pressure, higher performing space, you know, the last thing that you want to do is admit that, Hey,
I turn it to a different person. At night, I cut off ahead of dogs, I eat dirt, and I remember blood Sacrie and basically the only way I can cope is by uh, never, never, ever, ever, ever sleeping and don't worry. I can handle this. This is totally fine. Like I am going to be able to perform my duties as the state senator to the great state of New Jersey. I'm fine.
I think you make many good points. I would say if I were in Tie's life, I would count with like, just go to the therapist and be like, I'm feeling a bit fucked up. I think I might be like seeing things. Can you keep it quiet? I'm gonna go to an expensive therapist. So nobody tells me. I feel like there's a compromise, but I appreciate her dedication to this absolutely terrible idea that is just pure night right elm Street, Just is that really your best ideas, best self care ideas from.
Well and Well? We're going to get to how crazy it gets for Tie shortly. But I she can't she can't go another forty eight hours sleep at this rate. Yeah, she can't go. She can't keep doing this, No, she can't physically, she she won't be able to continue doing.
This unsustainable and the speaking of things that will get unsustainable, but this may see an end to this one particular kind of tragedy. Nat and Travis go off. They continue their search for Harvey that they're doing every day. They're not having any luck finding game. They kind of have a little argument because NAT's like, I'm not doing the blessing stuff anymore and Travis is like, nah, lot, he's tea. It's just a symbol like you've just got to be
more open minded. They go off, and it turns out that Nat finds Travis's little brother, Harvey. She finds his bloody shorts in the wilderness, and it seems like, at least from this episode, Travis, while finding that very tragic, ends up accepting that Harvey is likely gone. And it's been two months in the snow, So where is he?
Where is he? Like, if he's not dead, where there is a.
You know, Stranger Things style Lost style kind of military base or something like that. It's not looking good for Harvey, and the shorts seemed to be like a momentary end to that quest. Lotty doesn't believe it, though, and we'll get to that in a little bit. And speaking of Loy in the modern day, cult's going strong. They're wearing their heliotrope robes. She's showing that around and she's like,
it's not purple, it's heliotrope. And uh, they're not a cult, Jason, They're actually an intentional community.
Did it? Yeah, that's right? Yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to I didn't mean to call you.
How could we do that? She also claims that they're not cult. Were never going to kidnap Nat until they broke into her room. May I just say they had and she was about to commit suicide, so they had to do it and there was no other choice and isn't she lucky that Lotty saved her.
Yeah.
Suta meanwhile, is trying to kind of connect with Callie, and she's saying, like, do you want.
To go to the mall?
You want to run up some credit card debt on your dad? Honestly sounds great. Feel like Kelly should just embrace it. If you think your mum's a murderer, maybe nicer up a bit. I don't know, it seems silly to me. But Cop Kevin, who you may remember went to high school with the girls and was in a relationship with Nat, like a kind of a dodgy relationship with Nat. He turns up and lo and behold, he's got a lot of questions about Adam.
Who uh, who's Adam? We have the fender bender and then he texted a couple of times and he's a lot a thousand.
She's like, you know, we have to sort things out, and and it's here that we see I would say, probably more for her own self preservation, but it is a rare moment of solidarity from Kelly, who comes in and is like, Mom, we've got to like go to the mall. It's gonna shut so stop being talked to by this and the CoP's like, uh, okay, sure, Like I guess I'll go uh and Kevin, you know, cop Kevin off he goes. So obviously I have to say Misty was right. Shana is an idiot. She is like
the most submerspicious person of all time. You can't just you could just spin my hair. And she's like, oh, do I need a lawyer? And he's like, oh, why would you need a lawyer? No, that's what you should have said first.
Yeah, yeah, let me talk to let me have my lawyer. Yeah, and honestly, don't answer any fucking questions. And you can't say I don't remember this guy and then be like, oh, yeah, we had a very significant interaction regarding a car crash and we texted.
I think he's like yeah, there's like hundreds of texts and she's like, oh yeah.
Yeah, that guy just slipped my mind. How's he doing? Oh is he dead?
Oh wait? Adam? Oh no, I missed that. That's so tragic for his family and the people who care about him, which definitely didn't include me, And well, Shawna's making the Adam situation like ten thousand times worst. Misty once again doing the work, trying to put these kind of snooping suspicions of some of her friends on the True Crime forum. She's trying to wipe those away. She's she's the only one who cares about it. She's the only one who's keeping up to date with it. And she's still the
only one who cares about Nat. She's calling people. She's saying, Ty, Suuna, Nat, I think she has fallen, you know, a foot to foul play, Like we've got to help her, and these motherfuckers just are not answering the phone. TI kind of understandable.
Ty's got a lot of her own thing going well, to be to be fair, and you know, Shauna is embroiled in the ongoing responsibilities that come from committing a murder and needing to cover it up. So that is an issue.
That's the problem. She's just chilling, like she's trying to go to the mall. I'm like, go to you more with Misty.
She might give you a tip on how she's not she's having sex in the apartment of her former murder victim.
I like, she's terrible, and honestly, at this point, Misty is so good at dealing with this shit that I'm like wishing that she hadn't tried to poison people back in the nineties because she might have been some use with all the fucked up shit that's going on. Because guess what, no surprises here. Tie eventually finds the disgusting Norman Bates mother style corpse of Jackie, which they just the production design did so well on this because it is haunting.
It is really really chilling. Like, if you know, I to be fair to Shauna, this is a very stressful situation. It was high stress before the plane crash. Now, Gil obviously she's got a lot of guil. She got dosed with hallucinogenics at least once, very badly, and who knows how many more times, and so you know she's under a tremendous amount of strain. But this is like, if you saw this, you'd be like, holy shit, this is serious. This is really bad.
Jasmine's void Brown places Tied us such a great job in this. She is just she is this perfect mix of just like absolute fucking rage and like deep deep heartbreak because she loves Shanna, but she's just like you cannot do this, Like and I've been telling everyone, I've been here, and I've been saying, please, she cannot do this, stop her from doing this, don't let her out there. This isn't okay, and everyone's just been like, nah, no, let's leave it. We don't want to have to deal
with it right now. And obviously at this point, Ty is like fucking done and she's like, we're burning the body. Lotty does not argue, which I think could be argued as quite an important moment going forward, because Lotty's been very much on Shawna's side, and that's it. They're gonna build a pire, They're gonna burn Jackie, and everything's gonna go back to as normal as it can be for being in the wilderness, because you know, she won't be
able to be normal Baits anymore. The body will be gone and they can just move on.
And honestly, it's a solid plan, in.
This solid plan exactly until it very much is not. Yea, and well, Ty is kind of being the logical force in the past. In the present, she's still drinking like five thousand coffees and she's pleasantly surprised to see that her lovely young son Sammy has arrived at her beautiful townhouse home to see their new dog, Steve. Love Steve. Glad he's still alive.
Man, Steve, just keep thriving in a very tough situation. We're all pulling for you, Steve.
Very proud of you, Steve, like we believe in you. We believe you can survive. So she calls her wife, which I actually have to say, good move. Ty response, you were there, that was quite responsible. She calls her wife.
They the wife arrives at her house, which strangely the door has been chained and Ty has been asleep, and it seems a bit like, well, where's Sammy, and they they realized he left, and then in one of the best moments, the kind of most chilling moments of the episode, which is saying a lot for this episode, and her wife get a phone call from the school, and the
school says, why was Sammy never picked up? And it turns out that Sammy was never in Ty's house and has been at school the whole time waiting for his mum to pick him up. And it is just absolutely got punch horrible to realize just how bad Tie is bugling.
It's as bad as it gets. And I suspected from the first when he showed up that this was because he's just he's just there. Yeah, he just is there, and it just didn't sit right. And you know, for Ty's X, this must be really, really, really scary, and it only gets scarier from beer.
Yeah, it's it's terrifying because they get this phone call and then dun't done in a hint that we might act be seeing nighttime tie in the daytime, ty gives this kind of inscrutable look and then just crashes her car into oncoming traffic with her wife in it. And it is There's been a lot of debate whether this is intentional or unintentional, but there's definitely a question there. This is not a sleep deprived crash. There was a moment where our choice was made to accelerate.
I agree with this, and I have to say, you know, we talked about this in our previous recap. This idea that I have that there is some reason that Tyme can't get fired, like I feel like, you know, originally I thought maybe Lottie puts some sort of post hypnotic suggestion in and it's very you know, and is you know, wants an important ally in government or something like that. Maybe that's not it, because Lottie doesn't unless she's a Lotty's role is Yeah, unless Lottie is playing a much
more farious game than we suspect. I guess I'm leaning away from that now, but it still feels like whatever is going on, part of it is that it remains important for Tie to be in government, and for whatever reason, nighttime Tide really doesn't want anything having to do with her existence exposed because that would cause Tie daytimetime I have to step down. And I agree with the take
that this seemed like a choice. Now, whether it's nighttime Tie or daytime Ties choice to drive into oncoming traffic and potentially kill her estranged wife in order to keep this secret. I don't know, but I think it's a choice. Yeah, who's choice down, But it feels like.
It seems intentional and very It's a really creepy and sad moment that kind of lets you know how lost Tie is and how alone she is in this too. X Ray Vision will be back.
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We get another great, really creepy moment sort of that follows this interaction, which is Misty Quickly good old serial killer Misty who yet somehow manages to be the hero of this show. Is working at the Old People's Home where she has inevitably killed many people. I have to just point that out. And she hears a strange new voice, and it's Elijah Wood, who we knew was going to be appearing, And it is her online Frenemie Walter. He has a very scary username, is using the names like
putting the sick in forensics. So I'm sure these two are going to get on very well. But he's there basically scoping out Misty and leaves her a little spooky note.
I can't wait for these two to get together. It feels like it's gonna have perfect casting.
Yeah, we know that Misty has been alone for a long time and has always been seeking out companionship. And also, I mean, this is the thing we haven't really delved into yet. It was hinted at just before Adam was murdered. But there's got to be people out there who are obsessed with the Yellow Jackets, Like if you're a true crime not these people are like celebrities to you. So I do wonder if Walter will have that kind of interest where he's like a Yellow Jacket super fan.
That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, you know, as you know, as a person who spends some time on Reddit, I think that he is all He's clearly alongside Misty all the way deep down in several rabbit holes. And yeah, it makes sense that the Yellow Jackets, their history, what happened in the wilderness is a rabbit hole for a lot of people.
Yeah. Completely. And we see Misty kind of realizing that she may have made a new friend in this strange kind of frenemy situation she has with Walter, and as she is doing that, her beloved bff Nat is being told a story by Lotti, which I'm very excited to talk about because I think it makes it poses a lot of questions. I agree, Nat obviously thinks Lotti killed Travis and stole this money, which is what the evidence points towards.
But Lotty says, no, it does. It really does. Let's be real.
That's that's the Ockham's Raiser version.
Like it really does.
But Lotty says, Travis called her asking for help. He said the wilderness is coming for him and the only way to fix it was to have a near death experience. Because in the woods, when Lotty smashed her head against the window and almost died, and when Van was definitely killed or almost killed by a wolf. Afterwards, they both claimed they had visions. So Lotty goes there and she says, no, please,
I promise, like we're going to make this better. And she thinks that she she's calmed him down out of this sort of near psychotic break, but she wakes up and he has set up an extremely convoluted and dangerous auto asphyxiation.
Ritual involving construction equipment. Yeah, we don't need that. It's unnecessary, my friend.
It could have just been a doorknob and a rope. I mean, I don't do this in any way.
What do you want to do it.
It's a bad idea. But if you are going to do it, not with your train.
Not up some sweatpants. Literally, we don't need it. We don't need.
Something. And Lotty claims that she sold Travis please don't do this, and he said, I'm going to do it whether you're here or not. So of course Loti did the responsible thing and was like, I'll press the button. I'll press the crane button so that when you lose consciousness, I'll bring you back and you'll have seen the wilderness and it will all be okay. Just unbelievably bad idea. Everyone here, I realize, is just up to Shenanigan's whether this was a lie from Lotti. It's a terrible lie
if it was. If it's the truth, there's almost more embarrassing because you're just like, this is so much bad decision making, Like you are in charge of a wellness community and you're just allowing a man to do this, this terrible, terrible plan. So in this incredibly safe situation that the pair of them have created, just apparently Lotti tried to press the button to bring Travis back down after his unconscious asphyxiation experience, but the button got stuck.
Now this is the big question. Do we believe that the button got stuck? Loti tells Nat it was a tragic accident, but we then see a different version of events that she does not share with lot with Nat, which include a magical gust of wind, the crane just going up and taking Travis, you know, fifteen twenty thirty forty feet into that, and even a supernatural ghost in the form of ex Yellow Jackets team member and faithful Christian who baptized Lotty Laura Lee. So there's just a
lot going on here. What was your take on this situation? Where do you think the truth lies?
I think that she is telling the truth but left out the part about the laur Le vision, which is real. I should also note that it seems that are Good from Lottie is a more powerful vasso constrictor than cialis or viagra, because not only is it the foulses of teenage boys who she's able to make rise like the dead, but it is also these cranes that they are right to go up. Everything anything that can go up when Larti is around, it goes on her weaving her spell,
it will go up. And that is worth noting because again here again is another hint that maybe there is something supernatural going on.
Yeah, and we're about to get as that very specific point that you have about the way things change in the environment of Lotty, whether it's wind or cranes or bonus or all kinds of things, becomes even more relevant as the episode kind of goes on. So in the wilderness, they're getting ready to burn Jackie's body, and the JV squad, I want to say, make a very good point. They're like, shouldn't we just take her clothes off because we need clothes and we're in the wilderness, and Sean is like,
fuck you, you can't steal her clothes. I've been cutting chunks out of her body and eating her ear. But that's really cross in a line. And then we quickly, we interestingly skip to the present day where we get to see some big Shawna energy coming from Callie, who is in a bar with her friend, abandons her friend so she can chat to a mustachioed man at the bar, and you know she wants she's flirting with him, and she just spends two hours there just spilling her guts,
telling him everything. And it is big Shawna behavior because guess what that man is a cop. He is investigating her mom with cop Kevin.
Our good friend John Paul Reynolds. Drew Gardner from Search Party. Yes, it was so good.
As soon as I saw him, I was like, this is immaculate, like star casting. Search Party is so good, and he is so good in it, and he just brings It's a different energy, but you still really get
that similar kind of vibe and it's so good. I can't wait to see where this goes, because Callie obviously sees him as a potential romantic partner, and as Cop Kevin tells him, like, you can't just go around pretending to be undercover, like at some point you're just gonna be in this girl's house, like arresting her mum, Like, Yadi, where do you think this is going after?
Honestly, with the way Cally is moving, having sex exactly with her daughter then smoking mirajuana.
It's absolutely probably what's gonna happen. And also I love that this is just another character, is another morally gray like character who's obviously just gonna get completely swept up
in this kind of chaos of Shawna's family. And it kind of blows my mind that from what we're hearing, from the way Cop Kevin approaches it and the way we see Cally approach it, it doesn't really seem like Sean has been in the radar of the police before, which blows my mind because she is, legitimately, let's put
it in a polite way, she's a very troubled individual. Yes, and I believe that much of that trouble came from that time in the world, and and it is she who finally, you know, lights the pia and sets Jackie's body on fire.
Let me ask you this we are seeing now over the course of this season, just how troubled Shauna was. Now her adult life is certainly dramatic and messy. She's committed a murder, is her ongoing efforts to cover up that murder, YadA, YadA, YadA. But the rest outside the murders, it's just kind of it's just kind of like, you know, adult drama and messiness. So I when or how did this kind of almost psychosis around around Jackie. When did
it stop or even did it stop? And what things that modern day Jackie are doing or what people that modern day Jackie is interacting with are potentially not real because it feels like or even is mada day Shauna continue to speak with Jackie with a version of Jackie.
I think this is a huge question because we get a hint even before Shawna kills Adam, we see her kill that bunny in her garden. I think there has always been a lingering effect of whatever she went through in the wilderness that has stayed there, and a tendency for violence that may have well been there before, because we saw even before Jackie died, Shawna was the one who was going to cut Travis's throat on the night of doom coming. So I love the idea that it
really never stopped. She just got better at repressing it or hiding that side of herself. And I think you ask a great question about does Shawna still speak to Jackie? I think that could be such a cool can seat and a way to have an adult Jackie in the season if we reveal that at times of stress or maybe something that gets triggered as the show goes on,
that we see adult Shauna talking to adult Jackie. I think that would just be so cool, especially because it's the only way we're going to get to see her, because Jackie is very much dead, and.
Is she seeing anything just generally that no one else is seeing, Like what other things from her subconscious or manifesting is real? I just wonder if that's continuing and it feels like something we should try and keep track of.
I think that's a really smart point, especially because until they had to dispose of his body at the end of last season, I did wonder whether Adam was like a figment of Shawna's imagination. You know, it was a very private, separate relationship that no one else knew about. And I was like, there's a version of this where the relationship isn't happening or it was a one time thing. But no, she killed him and then they chopped off up his body with a turkey electric turkey knife. Thanks Misty,
that's a great idea. And speaking of delightful Misty, our secret hero of yellow Jackets, she gets a letter, which is of course in the most true crime lover courtship ever written in invisible ink. She has a UV torch and she reads it and she gets invited by her true crime buddy who stalked her to her work. So I would say, red flag, don't go, but I'm sure in Misty's eyes this is like green flag, definitely go.
She is invited to play FBI agent with him. He wants her to pose as a federal agent so they can interview a man who is staying at the hotel with that sounds like it's going to go very badly for that man, but good for Misty. I'm sure that the two of them will have a lot of fun. And now we've been waiting for it.
I have to say I was not.
Sure if it would happen this quickly.
I didn't think it would have. I thought they might work up to it. But that bodes, I think, very very well for the rest of the season. Now we're accelerating like this absolutely.
So it's the evening of Jackie's cremation. Everyone has hidden themselves away in cozy corners of the cabin to wait until her body is you know, no more. And Nat and Travis start getting intimate. And while that seems very into it and is focused on Travis, who's obviously going through this great tragedy of losing his brother, Travis is just thinking about strange ghostly Lotty and it is very unsettling.
It feels almost like some kind of astral projection. Lotty is watching over him in this kind of virginial white nightgown as they have sex, and it would have just been a kind of strangeh you know, bona vision oddity had it not directously. It directly leads into some very intentional and just brilliant cinematography of this almost sentient gust of wind flying through the woods.
The wind again, the wind.
Again, and it knocks a huge amount of snow onto Jackie's body, and as Nat and Travis continue to hook up, we see that the flames, rather than being you know, muted by the snow, instead begin to roar, and the snow pack on top of Jackie means that her body becomes beautifully steamed and baked. It's intentional.
Instead of being devoured by the fire, we've got a nice, you know, a a wonderful slow roast in which Jackie is kind of slow cooked in her own juices.
And the snow is keeping her moist. And essentially what we have here, I think it is fair to say the wilderness serves Jackie up perfectly cooked. To the girls, and they wake up and they all say what is that? And it's unclear. It's the early hours of the morning, probably, and they're all awakened by this delightful scent of roasting meat and they rush outside and they all sort of look at the body and wonder whether they're going to do what we all knew that they were going to
eventually do. Seana touches her belly and she says, they want this too, talking about the baby, and then we get this really fun. It's great because This leans very much into the supernatural elements and the mythological elements of the show, but Kosher runner who wrote this episode, Nathan Lisco, has confirmed that this is more about delusion and allowing
themselves to do what they need to do. So we get this great moment of all of the survivors in this Grecian finery, at this grape filled table full of dried fruits and delicious meats and wines, and as that version of them begins to touch the food on the table, we see Seana reach for her knife and cut a chunk out of Jackie and she eats it, and the feast begins.
Coach Ben, who he's think he's he terrified, flees from the scene because he has to think I'm next.
Oh, it has to be absolutely I have to say, if we're talking about strategy here, I think Coach Ben flopped this one hard. I know it's a scary sight. There's like twenty kids. They're just feasting on body. They're eating all the body. They got their faces in there,
they're eating the organs, they're covered in meat. But you know what, if you're trying to survive, I would have just gone over there and like pretended to eat some pretendious might just been like, oh yeah, delicious, I'm going inside now, A bit tired, bit tired of these crutches, he just breezes. Also, will just say lots of interesting Ben character work because Ben didn't stop them from putting Jackie outside, which is basically when he lost the juice to tell them to do anything, so he has a
lot of guilt around that. Then this episode, he doesn't do a good job of getting Seanna out of there, even though he is the adult you know, inverted commas, he is the oldest person there, and then he doesn't go over and say, oh my god, what are you doing? This is terrible, like that's your friend, which I do believe in that moment could arguably have woken them out of this kind of group delusion. Instead, he just hides. So it's very interesting. But yeah, I agree with you,
he's next. I mean, odds on Ben surviving this without getting eaten have just dropped exponentially.
What are your thoughts, because you know, when you're hungry and then you eat. I would imagine much like the like the act of sexual union, which this feast was definitely a metaphor for and has been a metaphor for over the course of this series. I wonder if there's going to be a moment of reflection once they've eaten absolutely reaction is going to be I also like, holy shit with that.
I also think they're going to be very sick because think about if you haven't eaten for a long time, even eating the smallest amount of food can be really hard, let alone eat in human flesh. I also think this sets up a very interesting duel kind of sliding doors. Obviously not a rom com situation going forward, which is anything that happened before this, we had the argument is it supernatural? Is it you know?
Real?
I think after this that question is going to become even more blood because one of the scientific takeaways that they've done from the very small studies of people who eat humans is it can give you a brain infection called kuru, and that brain infection can make you hallucinate, it can make you ill, it can make you experience
all kinds of terrible things. So I also think that now that they've eaten Jackie and they've eaten this flesh, it's going to be very hard for us to know what isn't isn't real from here on out because it's probably going to affect them and as we know, this isn't going to be the last time that they do this.
What Okay, let's unpack some of the supernatural stuff in this, because I guess we're leaning now towards either there's some very very persistent and severe mental illness that everybody is kind of having, like a like a shared delusion of.
That, and we're not getting and we're not getting we are getting unreliable narratives in that case, because I think something the biggest argument here for the supernatural is the snowpack falling on the tree seeming intentional. I do truly believe there is a version of the end of this season and or the next season where weelan actually that was a group of the girls who went out and prepared Jackie and they basically just oh, something magical happened,
and that was that it was meant to be. That's why they can't.
Admit to themselves that they went that they actually actually went out and yeah, and intended to eat their friend. That makes a lot of sense to me as well. That and and as we saw from the episode, they kind of participate in this grand hallucination in order to
make the eating of Jackie kind of okay. So I think that there is something to that, but it still feels like, gosh, every time we are coming along to a murder, their sex involved, and then there's some sort of gust of wind or something that happens.
Very ritualistic.
Yeah, very ritualistic. And I really still I can't wait to find out what the fuck is going exactly?
Can we? The big question is are they going to be able to long it out like successfully and keep people engaged. Is it gonna be the Twin Peaks problem where they told they have to solve it too quickly, or is it going to be the Lost problem where they have it almost go on for so long that people start to, you know, become confused or questioning about
what the real outcome is. I'm very interested to see because I do think if you just go by what we're shown this episode, I think you could say something supernatural is happening. Lottie saw a ghost of laural Ley, Lotty felt like the crane was taken up without her to kill Travis. So in that case, what is the supernatural?
Is it?
This idea of the wilderness. Is it a cult that already exists in this space that is using these kids as sacrifices. Is this something that they've almost manifested themselves just out of a need to survive. I'm very interested to see where it goes, because at the moment, it's just really cool, brave storytelling. And I totally agree with you. It bodes very well that they did not wait until the finale and keep teasing this idea of cannibalism. Instead,
they just went for it. They were like, it's happened. Now here's the fallout, and there's still you know, you're only two episodes into the season.
Do you think there's gonna be a bad guy? Because I was really leaning towards Lotti created this cult, and a lot of the stuff that's going on now is because of Lottie's cult, and she's continued to pull the strings with Tie and with others and maybe in ways that they don't even understand that they're being manipulated. But after this episode, I'm honestly not I know, I think, but it still feels like there's there's somebody's group of
other people. Yeah, that is that is behind some of this stuff.
I think that Lotti seems to be the obvious option, but I do agree that after this episode, I think Lotti believes in this stuff because she believes it is protection. I actually believed when she told Nat that her she sent the people there to help her and it was
just kind of this bad organization. I am a believer that Shawna could be the one who was the aunt the queen that we first saw in the first season, and that Shawna has some deeper involvement in all of this, because she's just like a chaotic void at the center
of all of the problems that are going on. I also do believe I'm leaning more into the idea that there might be an unseen figure or an unseen group that we're yet to meet, the people who put the symbol there in the first place, in the cabin, the ones who were connected to the dead man in the attic when they first found it. I think there might be a big pull out from the camera where we kind of get a bigger picture scene that some other people are involved. But I can't wait to see, Well.
Well, we're going to continue our coverage of this truly appalling an intriguing show. Up next nerd Out.
In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love, am why, or share a theory that you're really excited about, Danielle shares our first Yellow Jackets theory, which I mean that's a big success. This is a big milestone for us because we get a lot of the comic book the TV theories, but Yellow Jackets this is a first.
Danielle opens with I am freaking out thinking of the new Red Shirt girl, Crystal, who likes to sing. She entices Misty with the opportunity to harmonize. I thought that the creepy Satan Girls choir, a phrase coined credit to Kelly Anakin of the Blood High podcast, was just for a dramatic music effect. Now I wonder if Misty and her new duet partner are actually going to be responsible for inventing and performing said creepy vocalizations as part of
the ritual. Oh what if Crystal, who loves drama Club, is also responsible for the production of the rituals from costuming to stage production. Thank you, Danielle Rickard. I this is great.
This is so legit because think about this, we already had that group delusion. They're wearing the Grecian outfits that made them feel like everything was okay. There's a version of this where Chrystal and Misty. We know, Misty's kind of on the outs of this. She just does it whatever's going to get her in with the group and keep her surviving. There's definitely a version where they sort of put these on as plays so they feel like, you know, when you take off the mask, you're no
longer that character. It's the same way that slasher movie killers often wear masks. They can't kill without the mask. I think there is a lot to this, and I think we could really see it become quite a prominent part of where the story goes.
There's a lot to this too, and it really makes me think of something that I was kind of like knocking around in my head during our conversation, which is, no one knows what happened in the woods, and there was a there are a lot of people there, including people who you know we're just meeting now, part of like the core group, which means they really really stayed strong and no one spoke to anyone, which makes me wonder like if this kind of shared hallucination that they
participated in if they're almost continuing to do it in their adulthood. You know, it just feels like maybe they are the secret villain, because it's really incredible that none of them have ever told the story. That's like the fact that it must get really fucking crazy for none of them to have ever told.
Right, the shame and the horror of what they Yeah. Also, I wonder is there someone like Misty who's very smart. I understand why Nat thought of this in those first episodes of the first season. Maybe there's someone like Misty who kept proof to keep everyone quiet, to you know, protect everyone. Maybe there's somebody who has the tools to say, well, if you try and talk about it, then I can prove that you were just as culpable as everyone else.
And if she was part of this costuming and development, part of the rituals, that would have probably been quite easy for her to keep.
Yeah, I think so too. Wow, so exciting.
You're blowing our mind.
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