Star Wars: The Mandalorian S3 Finale w/ Jason Mantzoukas

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Next to the air lock, stepping out of the airlock and into a galaxy far far away to discuss the Mandalorian season three finale alongside friend of the pod, Jason Manzuka's co host of How Did This Get made? Jason, thank you so much for joining.

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Absolutely. Let's talk about season three, Episode eight, Chapter twenty four, the Return, directed by Rick fam we had written by John Favreau. We pick up right after the events of the previous episode. First off, on behalf of the x RA Vision. I would like to apologize to ax Wolves, who is not a spy and also whose jet pack can absolutely get him into orbit up to the spacecraft which.

Crazy crazy who I mean, we just only a few episodes ago saw the Mandalorians in the covert run out of gas chasing a bird.

How did Haas Bisla manage to run out of gas? But Axwoves can fly into space.

X Woves can basically has a hyperdrive on his back. I don't know what's going on. My guys like up in the atmosphere and are the rest of the covert couldn't even chase the bird when it captured Ragnar.

And it had many children at that point, like more than its stolen more than one child child. So this Axe, you could have been more useful.

Well, I think there's I have two possible theories. One is that Axe and his crew they kept it tight. They were active mercenaries. They're working out in the world doing stuff for cash, and they had to be ready for game time in a way that Pause and the rest of them rednecking around by Crocodile Lake were not like. And then the second theory is that Pause is just a deadbeat dad who never who was just irresponsible number one, and you can see that by the fact that he

Wow, I mean, I blink believe. I mean that is brutal.

You know what that is a brutal take on our guye as Vizla.

He sacrificed himself the three for Toorian guys to save the Mandalorians.

But you say not because he didn't want to pay Chiles, not even a word for his son, not even to tell my not even tell tell him, tell Ragno, I love him and tell him what a hero he's getting. Just like I'm out, I'll take him. You guys get out of here.

It was that was there has been some wild wild Did you guys also feel like I got so pregnant with the idea that ax Wolves was a spy?

Or was it?

Yes?

Yes, we were invested, but.

I had a hard time believing he was saving the day, which unqueslatably he was doing. He is hero on Mandalor. And the entire time I was like this fucking guy.

Yeah, I was, I was like, oh, getting old the Mandalorians to leave the ship. That's suspicions.

And the way the captain of the ship gives him like a double tap, look like really like.

What it looks out.

I was like, oh, here it comes, here comes with xbos like shoots them all in the back. It just never happened. Axe Wolves stand up died in the end.

My apologies, Oh yeah, we're gonna hand out a lot of apologies today.

I think absolute apologies.

I will say. Unfortunately, unfortunately, we are going to hand out a lot of apologies, because boy, would I like what I have loved for one of these things to have been proven true, for one of these people to have been duplicitous.

Yes. Back on the planet, bo is leading the survivors out of moff Gidion's base. She radios to the very very loyal axe Wolves before he's cut off by the atmosphere to say, hey, okay, use the capital ship as a decoy. Get all the warriors off the chips and down to the surface, so I'll talk to you earlier. Uh. Then she has to use a thermal detonator to collapse a tunnel because the dark Trooper armor is really really good. Back Uh, somewhere else in the base, Dinn breaks for

Truly, this is an absolute strategical mistake. Do you have Mandalorian? Oh'm a guess who knows how to use it? Bout a Mandalorian every time. And also he has a full sensitive baby whose medichlorians are so strong you are trying to steal them.

And MAV what are you saving them for? You got so many guys and you got baby guys.

I was also confused throughout both last week.

At the end of last week and this week.

I couldn't believe MAF Gideon was not intrigued or interested at all that Grogu was there, Like the dude spent the first entire season chasing Grogu for his blood. They bring Grogu to his cloning base. He doesn't even taste full on playing hard to get. He's ignoring Grogu.

No, not even.

Like are you again?

Just like and now is it? It's a Guru in a mech Yeah, so this is like not an easy thing to just ignore.

Yeah, like, how is there not a scene where where Moff Gideon is like, is that Grogu in a.

You put that baby in a gun?

I would love it. I would love it if if if Werner. Herzog came in and was like, I would like to see the mech baby.

Let me see the man.

Let me see the mech baby.

So Dinn takes out these dark troopers, and then Grogu arrives to kind of save the day when Dan is about to get choked out and then shut my head comes up, says no, no, no, crushes the pistol, and then is he what is he spraying on his dad? Is that like fire extinguisher fluid?

I assume it was back yeah, the same way that I g eleven did Sorry Rosie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was gonna say I think he did it because that was heat and fire, but yeah, it's it's It was definitely back to And it was funny because Den's like, please stop. Oh.

But it was also sweet because Grogu's trying to risk you his dad, and his dad's like, I'm okay, I'm okay.

I should at this point apologize for bringing you into an active war zone.

My child is Ragnar here no.

But then THENDN says, Grogu, I'm gonna need you to be brave for me, because if we don't take out maf Gideon, this will never end. Are you with me? And of course baby Grogu' is like, oh yeah, and I just love that. Dinn is like, listen, we gotta murder this guy.

Yeah, there was like, are you with me? My child, my small baby?

We gotta kill You're gonna kill him? Like yeah, I love it.

You're gonna have to You're gonna have to be brave grogu because today we murder.

It's gonna happen now. Din then Radio's Bow with the update. Uh, he and the baby are gonna kill maf Gideon Bow and the fighters escaped to the surface. They head to one of the night Owl hideouts, and it is at that moment that the Tie forces the TIE fighters and the bombers screaming in the sky to attack the capital ship. Jin radios Are five is like, I need you, buddy, We need you to SCOMP. Did anybody did anybody track them?

I wrote it down, Scomp. I wrote it in my notes. I was like, what the hell.

Verb, We're gonna need you to Scomp into the base and get me the location of mom Getdeon's commands letter.

Is this scumping what we call when the droids do that little jet pack.

Is specific interesting.

Interesting, that might be true. I took it to mean like hack, I'm gonna need you to hack. Oh yeah, yeah, pack into the system and blah blah blah whatever he said. I can't remember what he said to do, but you know, that's what I assumed it was.

But it's such a weird word.

It's so also like I feel like we still have never tapped in, you know, decades later, to the absolute amount of gadget the eye units have.

It's fantastic.

They just always have what you need, whether it's a tiny little hand to electrocute something, a hacking. It's it's almost like being a green Latin. You have infinite will power.

And shuts the R five for having the appropriate amount of gas in his jets.

Times he's not making that Missay look.

Like daddy visla so our five. Using his little jets, he floats down from the surface to the base and begins looking for the nearest port data port that he can use to scomp into the system. If that is the axe gets through the gets through the clouds, he makes it to the ships. He tells all the mandolarns, okay, get out of here. Suspicions drop and suspicion I will pilot the capital ship. And there's all these really cool uh like scenes of the Mandolarns, like skidding onto the ramp of a ship.

I just want to say as well, I feel like they were looking at a lot of ease Iron Man comics, because while these Mandalorians are flying, there is so much time that it looks like.

I wondered if they used like Iron Man assets.

That's what I had the same thing.

Yes, I bet you they did, right, they had to. It's just so much easy and it's so clean.

This does not look rushed. This looks like you literally are seeing tens of people flying through aranizable.

Yeah, they don't have a lot of flying from past seasons. That's a brand new thing. So but they have a ton of metal suited character flying through the air.

So yeah, I'm sure this is very.

Similar position to that kind of Superman.

I bet you it's Iron Man three assets and fight where Tony is fighting like all the.

Suits multiple Man's.

We cracked it, guys, we cracked it.

We did. We figured it out.

That is true. Facts.

Cannon absolutely happened.

So the Mandalorians are heading towards the planet and just then the tai bombers tie fighters come up and they start attacking the ship, where X Wolves is heroically piloting the ship without any kind of ulterior motive.

They as he's gonna do it, he crashing.

He is absolutely loyal to the cause. And again, I'm so sorry X quove there.

Honestly, X Wolves, thank you for your service.

Look, actually we apologize, but I would like to put the blame for us suspect like suspecting you very directly on whoever chose to name the last episode the Spies, just saying I wait, so.

I guess let's talk about this. So what were the Spies than R five n G sixty eight.

I wonder if the Spies are like the Imperial Remnant, who are still you know, the zoom call, okay, the Imperials. I don't know that.

I think it's I mean, it doesn't.

It doesn't add up because only because I feel like we all have spent so much time theorizing and trying to figure it out and came up with we also an apology to the night Owls very true, also as oh well, don't they know exactly what trap to bring everybody into it?

You know, everybody's like, yeah, she.

Literally command her whole life to rebuilding the Maglorians. And we were like, guess who knows how to make best that would be useful for gidiots?

Guess who's selling out our people. But I will say once again and I listen, I love this show. This is like one of my love this show. But I would have liked for one of these things to be true because I would have liked one more layer of double crosses or all that just surprises.

That's what I was looking for.

And make it the night owls, I say, because acts, I get it, like he's almost too suspicious, and that also we just met these guys.

That's fine also as well, you would have had a definite narrative satisfaction to show how Ax was really heroic and then pull the rug from underneath you and go, oh, act what it was that.

It would have been fun. But that's okay. Back at the base, there's some really classic Star Wars stuff happening.

Now.

You got Din and Grogu sneaking around an imperial base. It's just like the old days. You have an R unit hacking in guiding them along the way. They come to this the tunnel that we saw I'm off Gideon Emerge from when he went to go take that zoom call which is protected by a series of laser shields which are five needs to open one at a time. And it's the fight that unfurls here where you know, Din has to be like, okay, now open the next gate where he and then he's gonna fight two dark

Well you in those shields, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I feel like the Reds, I feel like this again is feeling very lost Jedi. I feel like there was a lot of lost Jedi echoes here with obviously the Praetorian gods and everything, but the Reds and the kind of like you got to fight a couple of troopers in this very dynamic way. I was a fan of this fight. It was a cool life.

I liked a lot of the fights. I liked this episode. I thought had good a good variety of fights, you know, big sky like dog fight stuff. Yeah, practical on the ground hand to hand, the Bocatan fight with the Dark Saber and the and whatever Maf Gideon's staff is called. I'm not sure, but you know, I really liked the variety of stuff that this episode.

And everybody got to whoop a little eggs, Like whenever we went back to the armor in the sky, just Molly whopping dark troopers. I was like, Wow, that was that's really cool. And I love that the.

Armor is never like you know what for this, Give me.

It's not happening, Give me the barbecue, the barbecue tools, and I'm going to town.

It's also nice that they built up this idea of these Mandalorian partially Mandalorian armored troopers and then actually showed us them using their Malorian armor and Mandalorian weapons. That could have been very easy to skip over, but we really got that in Din with like the little lessus that shot out and everything. That was very fun.

Oh yeah, and Maf Gideon had like the rockets that shoot out of his classic the Whispering Angels or whatever not Oh my god, please that's.

The rose, please make it. Those what were they called whispering birds?

Were the whispering birds, right, yeah, whispering.

Birds something like that man.

I wish it was called Whispering Angels, and they just had a delightful little sip of rose that came.

Along with them.

Meanwhile, R five has to escape a gang of mousteroids who are loved that moment getting in his face because sirens like the.

One came up and he shocked him and then he came up and he was just like up and he just flew up scumped.

Away inside the command center. Didn't Grogu find all of Gideon's clones. He's been cloning himself, apparently to give himself versions of himself.

The force session.

Gives poor baby Grogu a mighty scare and.

This is like eye opening scare, something in a tank.

Boom, and so Den is like, fuck these clones, they all got to die, and he just.

Killed my son.

The night Owls then lead who again hearty apologies to them.

Sorry, can I interrupt you?

I'm so sorry Jon the question only because I feel like this beat where we see the mof Gideon's clone process, all of the tanks are full of Moth Gideon clones, and so I feel like this is a real change from what I have thought we've been building towards all this time, which is MAF Gideon wanted Grogu's blood so that he could participate in the making of Snoke and then openmately a forced sensitive Palpatine. Yeah, but this seems

I think that's true.

I do not think it takes away from It's just a little bit of a diversion. I believe that the people who are Project Necromancer, who he has been hiding this from, will inevitably find out he did this, and the technology will be used.

But it just pushes it back a little. I think it just pushes it back a little.

They're going to take all this and then use it to make exactly I think that that.

Is if that feels right. And I also say on that Zoom call they kind of get in MAF Gideon's ass for like using pershing for stuff that is not related to Snoke, and later on Palpatine it feels like because it's like, you took pershing and you are doing all this weird stuff.

And he's like, I don't even like cloning. That's your yeah.

Clone guy after.

He walked through a room of cloning, like he's like, what cloning?

What you tell?

My favorite thing about this is, like, I get it. It's almost too big to just immediately commit to kind of wreckconning and expanding on the sequel trilogies as we thought it was gonna most directly do. But it is actually a very hilarious motivation when you really think about.

Idiot, I can I ask one more question? Obviously, Like his plan was to create an army of clones. Uh, aren't all the guys in the Dark Trooper him, like all the or all the Dark Trooper dudes.

Monkitie, I don't I mean you mean non for sensitive muffetting you know, I would say, and making clones.

But they're just regular.

Clones, right, these are the beta clones?

Yeah, that would be interesting. My guess is they're just Stormtroopers who are loyal to him. Although he does mention, Well, what I was surprised by is that he said, this is the new evolution of the dark Trooper. And the dark Troopers were robots, right, they were so, but these are definitely people in suits, for sure.

These are guys for sure. Uh, A lot, a lot to think about.

And it's it is funny you bring it up, Jason, because he's said he directly says, well, you're the one obsessed with Clone hold.

On and now it emerges that you were just cloning yourself.

It's like a classic neg He's negging the shadow.

It's great X ray vision will be back, and we're back. So the night Owls lead Bo and the warriors to these garden caves that they've living in, beautiful teeming with plant life, and again we're sorry to them. These guys have been living in caves eating moss.

And we have been.

Yeah.

I'm like, oh, this cave looks really small. Hot to fight your way out of that when they have to on you.

So the armor radio is in and she's like, okay, guess what the cavalies here. We're here. Uh, let's do this. And Bo's like, let's take back our planet. Love it. They all scream for Moff Gidion's. Basically, we get this delirious airborne battle that may or may not be taken from assets from Iron Man three. And I have to say this is I'm sitting here watching this, and it looks great, looks amazing all like the armor swinging away

This definitely makes me believe we were talking about the likelihood of which Star Wars projects would go on to become real that this sequence and the amount that they committed to the armor and the Iron Man three assets makes me think that the Lave allegedly the Dave Felony wrap up of this live action kind of manned over Suska verse. I. This really upped my expectation of actually making it to the big screen.

Oh, I'm on board for that.

Yeah, I mean imagine, imagine a big, huge dog fight, space battle or sky battle between ships and Mandalorians in the sky on the ship puts the being RN in there, let's go, put the ghost in there, Let's go.

Come on, I'd love to see it.

So Dinn and Grogu find Gideon, and Guinean is whining about his fucking clothes.

He doesn't care about by the way, my clothes, my clothes, you swallowed them before they could take their first Shut up.

Now I have one geography question here, So didn't Grogu. They get the location to the command center, they go through the laser guarded hallway to get to it, and then they find Gideon standing on what is basically we later find out right because as the fight unfolds, Bo looks down and sees them fighting. They end up like on the spaceport, you know, on the side of the chasm. It's open to the air. Why did we have to Why did then just fly down? Because they is that?

Like, I fully agree the other thing that there's a little bit of confusion there too, which is he's uh, they get the information from our five. We gotta find maff Gideon's office right right here. It is, we're gonna we're on our way. They go through the gates. Everything maf Gideon we've seen in his office, he looks at a thing where Grogu and the Mandalorians who have who have individual.

Dots on the thing. Yeah, beautiful.

I love that they have the ability to have a green and a red dot on screen moving exactly when they move, but there's no video surveillance in the entire base.

Yes, yes, that's the one of the best funniest things.

Must Gideon leaves his He's like, don't worry, I'll deal with them.

Hefe where's the office, guys, anyway, which part is the actual office? So then we get this big fight between mof Gideon and Dinn, and I have to I have to hand it to MAF Gideon. Moff Gideon can ball man. MAF Gideon gives Din everything he can handle. And then it's like so confident that he just throws Din over to the Praetorians and it's like, you take it. I'm not even gonna get my sweat up because I can so easily kick this guy's ass.

Yeah. I mean, the suit definitely has hydraulics in it or something, right, it's it's it's an extreme the version of anything that we've seen before.

I felt like they purposefully put in like these servo engines.

The sounds of.

His suit is like, uh has more strength than justush.

It's not him powering.

The suit it's the suit has power of it, and that's why he's so easily able to wipe the floor with ding jar In and Bocatan.

Unfortunately, and g of course cannot stand the sight of his dad getting about to get executed by these prectorians, which is when Grogu cries it is visceral and it hits me so deeply.

Give that folios some serious money.

It's unbelievad. I just find myself being like, how do they make this sound?

Why?

How do they make his.

Eyes place inside you a feral protective place.

Well, then it does trigger a response in me which is, oh, no, why is he here?

Like we are going to cover that, and even more, the end of this leaves me with more questions about Din's parenting skills. But yeah, why is he that?

Because they have to take them off get in.

Yeah, he said, just leave the baby in the armor.

Is he can handle him? He's worth too much money, he can handle himself.

Send them up to the ship with the trader ax woves yes, in a.

Little baby, we'll look off to him.

So Grogu tries to intervene, but then the Paturnians are like, oh, this guy is washed. Let's kill the baby first, because we can come back to this, and they pursue Grogu, who is recoiling and afraid, and it is so heart wrenching to like the side room, and now Dinn seeing this happen, is like, oh my God, like, no, this can't happen. Gideon is shooting him in the bag, He's

That they were like throughout this season we were like, wow, we need to count of how many times this baby flips because they all like it's establishing that the baby can flip. And when I go to this episode where he flipped himself onto like the lighting Rick, I was like, Oh, that's why they kept reminding us he could flip. He can flip.

Baby.

They got it's a that's another they've got its control option.

F Yeah, it just it just inserts a flip.

Meanwhile, Bo, who is fighting up in the you know, all the Dark troopers up in the sky, looks down sees maf Gideon down there fighting Din you know, and is like, oh, there's a moff Guindion's office, and she slides down to join the fray. Now it's Gideon with versus Bow. And again you have to say it have to hand it to Gideon. Nobody can take him. He then wipes the floor with bow.

Uh.

And all I have to say is we need the Mandalorians need to study what mof Gadon did with this.

Is what I'm saying. Out of all of the technology. Look, we know that this technology is going to end up in the Imperial hands and we're going to get somehow Palpatine retuned. But what I want to know is why didn't anyone take the technology off this suit? Because we have never seen anything like this in Star Wars.

Maybe against their religion to like mess augment the strength.

With the but like the Imperial is it Finn wearing one of these suits?

Thank you, thank you?

Thanks?

Why you know, like, why aren't why aren't the Stormtroopers of the New Order?

Is that first, the first Why aren't the first it's not the band New Order, That's why?

Why was it? Why was Captain FAsMA so easy to take down?

You know, it seems like a prime example because this suit is very FAsMA evocative.

So in the side room now, because Bo is taking the side off the side office, because Bo is getting her ass whooped by mof Gideon, Din and Grogu team up to stomp out the Praetorians. Grogu's force abilities are really really evolved now. Also, he's quite nimble. See you come at the running running across the lighting fixtures there.

Okay, So I want to ask you guys a question. Yeah, his force is evolved, but I'm guessing what do you think he doesn't choke anyone out he used to be. Now he's kind of moving people with the force. Do you think that's because he studied with the Jedi, like.

He to use the They were like, yeah, that's dark, that's dark material. Please don't get lightning and chokes. Please don't do lightning or chokes because he.

Used to be a powerful force chroker.

Well, he was just I felt like in the past he was operating from just instinct.

He was he was operating just he's from emotion.

Rather, he was just things were happening around him and he was just reactive. But now he's spent. You know what, did Favro say that that two years? He was with Luke for two years or something like that.

He's harnessed.

So he's done something. Yeah, he's done more. And what we get out of it is he can move stuff with the force and flip and.

Cool running my little muppet running.

Yeah, oh my god, the little the little the little kermit feet were really great.

It makes me so happy when I see a puppet with like, I absolutely love it.

So they take out the Praetorians, uh and then.

Go love by the way, love seeing the Praetorians.

It was really very exciting and can absolutely handle them.

One of the.

Best contemporary Star Wars visualizations and creations. They're really scary and their weapons are so cool.

They're really really cool and also a great evolution of a of a something that in the in those in the old movies.

Was just the cool. Those guys are red alwaysn't that neat?

What a great I have the figurine, What a great figure, what a great what a great Kenner figurine or whatever I had.

And then the booth it looks like a cool design, but.

What is it.

Yeah, and then in and Last Jedi they come in and are just so that scene is maybe visualization.

It's one of my time favorite Star Feet.

Yeah, it's such.

A great empory reintroduction. And to get to see them here again and showcase that brutality and that fight is just so good.

I wonder if the ornamental nature of the Praetorians in the original trilogy isn't just because Palpatine was such a bad as he didn't really need him. It's like, just get me any guy.

He was so powerful with the force, like nobody even knew that he was up to.

She's not a bodyguard, Like I don't who's getting into this room anywhere. So then they go to they go to help a bow maf Gideon fighting Bow has her at his mercy, crushes the Dark Saver in his mighty armored up hand, which is here's the thousands of years old artifact. One of the most important objects in Star Wars history. I think you could fairly say legendary and one of.

The most powerful optifacts.

And it's they got to fix it.

Right.

I'm like, was it fake?

Because it was. It had the heaviness to it, It had that to be.

It was almost like he crushed the blade, which I just can't sort of comprehend how he'd even be able to do it.

I was surprised again because I felt like the story had been telling me he wants this blade back back, right, It meant it meant something to him that he had it. It meant something to him that he wanted it back, and that it seems so easy for him to just crush it and be like the Dark Saber is broken.

Yeah, it's so true because if we think about it, he kept talking in the last episode about how he wanted to be the leader of it.

Give me the give me the Dark.

Mandlre. I've made these nightmare Man law iron Man suits, so like, let's do it. Lets you have that was and he just he just crushed it.

I know that was until his favorite clones got trash.

This is a temperatat Okay, Yes, he's smashing his toys.

The way he says, my clone so mad about.

It really is Jedi.

I feel like, throughout their history are constantly losing breaking lightsabers all the time and then are having to go and remake a new one, get another Kayber Crystal, you know, build their lights and so that you get all these different lightsabers that different people are carrying. But it seems as though the legend of the Dark Saber.

Is this is the one.

That's yeah, yeah, this is the single one that's been going for I don't know, thousands of years.

It's a vizsla, right, yes, it's it's yeah, okay.

But you you might be onto something actually, because a lot of what we've talked about with this show is how we feel like with Gogu and Din, it's this idea of like the Jedi and the Mandalorian coming together and these two schools of thought. Maybe because Bo's always kind of been a rebel, maybe we will see how go on a journey to rebuild the Dark Saber. I think that.

It's I think so. I think so just because it's cool.

I think it's cool, and I think I think I think they didn't do anything to in breaking it. They didn't do anything to me that didn't feel like, oh, it can be repaired and it still has meaning.

And then you know, you still have like the handle. So you've got something to go on from the original.

So the dark savers gone Bo's helmetless musketting punches across the room. Meanwhile, x Wolves is radioing in and he's like, guys, I'm about to nine to eleven the base. Okay, I'm coming in. I'm coming it hot. There's flames coming with this cattle ship. Amy gets straight to the base. So now there's a clock ticking on this little fight here.

Also, can I ask you, is that the ship that at least twenty five thousand people spent painting.

Of painting that by five gallons of paint.

Do not tell anyone who's who's three generations of that family spent painting that.

I think it's took it took thirty years to paint that.

It also makes it impossible to use that ship covert.

Yes, you always know who's coming.

Oh Eve, an imperial ship, you can't sneak in anywhere.

It's like, oh, it's the imperial Oh wait, no, it's the man.

It's somebody had like.

Force sensitivity that was letting them know the future. And they were like, oh, this ship's only gonna loast like two weeks after we finish painting it, So let's just go out.

Some off getting into after crushing the dark shads, Mandalorian's weak once they lose the trinkets, and Bo says no, no, no, Mandelins are stronger together, and here comes in and Grogu to help out. But I mean, I gotta say it again, even they all together are really struggling to handle Gideon, who is like throwing them around, eating blaster shots to the face. Grogu is like pushing him with the force. He's still hanging on. It's very NATed to be.

A little bit more rough there with his That's my feeling.

It is only the devastating impact of the capital ship follow by what could only what I only imagine is a massive nuclear explosion that finally takes down maf Gideon. But you wonder what about our heroes, what happened to them? Well, and in it what can only be described as a impressive he was saving it for that force display. Grogu has kept them safe inside this force bubble as the nuclear fires swirl all around them. The good guys. When Jason you were saying.

Oh no, I was just saying it.

I feel like they are powering and depowering Grogu throughout the series Harry Match, you know, in the sense that like in season one, he can literally freeze a mudhorn in mid air that is fully charging forward, and here he can't seem to knock mof Gideon off the off a ledge, you know what I mean. And that's that's a bit of it. There's a bit of a confusion for me there as to how strong is he and

But you know that, I was also like, this is a wild this is wild. What's happened?

Let me give it? Let me profer a theory here. We of course, we just mentioned how instinctively Grogu is force choking folks and his pushes certainly are quite powerful, but certainly not powerful enough to move Mafkidion. What if what if Luke's whole thing was like, okay, you know, light side of the force. It's defensive mainly, Yes, so when he's strongest, when he is defending the people, because that's what.

He's been trained as. I just want to say this sums up a problem for me. Look, I have just want to say, I have a rebellion tie. I love Jedi, I grew up in stars, but I have issues with the Jedi culture right, like and the way that they like train children for war, etc. But like, this to me is a problem. You spend two years with one of the most famous Jedi in the world and he basic dempowers you because like of the right way to use the force. This is why I know it's not

See him do a little Susie.

It was.

It was very very cool. Uh, you know, Canaan Jarris could never And also all right, I don't I don't know why I said that. I'm so sorry, edicated, Actually you don't like to apologize. You're like it felt bad as it came out of my mind.

Dare you malign I know.

Sorry, sorry, but I will say one thing like that the bubble, Like he brings it down after thirty seconds, there's no way that you could bring it down after it would you'd probably be there for like thirty minutes.

Way more way more oxygen in the air would be burning them off the radioactive debris.

Like everything I.

Did, I did love one of my favorite moments, like visually it's such a good, funny little gag is like Bo trying to protect them with her tiny shields and she's like, I like, good for you, Bo, But it was never gonna happen. No, definitely not safe unless grogus like force filtering the air.

I mean it was definitely like he was like a light cruiser into from them.

Yes, they can see see.

That's the thing is if they were in maff Gideon's office, like tuck.

Tucked into the mountain.

Somewhere, I'd be like, okay, the blast, they could shield themselves from the blast.

But they are watching the light cruiser descend in front of them.

Makes it's yeah, it makes no sense that they are left not just alive, but fully unscathed.

Uh. Later on, the armorer blesses in a new geneneration over at the Living Waters that includes our friend Grogu.

Was that Ragnar who she was blessing? He is, right, yeah, it was sorry about your dad.

Never never, Yeah, it's it's Ragnar.

But I know both because of his helmet and also because I watch everything with closed caption affections.

And when he spoke. When he spoke, he.

Was credited because I was like, oh, I see. So they're like, well, your dad's dead, so now you're going to get adopted into the mandlorin this is the way you Also, sorry, I just need this is actually from last episode, but I do need to say this because

That night, that night that all the tribes got together and they were like, hey, we got we'll make you dinner. It was they eat the baby.

It's got it's it's either got to be that. That would be incredible that would be so incredible.

You know what it would be incredible is if next season, because we all were like, you know what, guess what these Mandalorians are going to be riding helmets. Yeah, these these are going to be their mounts for when they retake Mandolin and blah blah blah, And wouldn't it be funny if they.

Did do that next season? But there was only two they just ate the one.

I guess Ragna should be feeling lucky that they didn't just eat. And when when.

Past died, so didn't Din steps up? And it's like, okay, my my founding Grogu, I think you know we he beat Moff, Gideon, saved Bow and my life. Yeah, let's let's make him a true apprentice now and baptize him in and then, in what can only be described as an ablest policy, the Armor is like, well, he can't speak,

And it is also I think like a matter of consent. She doesn't want someone to just be bought into the Mandalori infection. Who can't agree that he wants to be that.

Though it's very clear that Grogu, I mean, his the way his face falls when it's like, sorry, you can't speak, he's just like I was like, come on, I was.

I was like, is he gonna like do the creed and yo to speak? Like, is he gonna do it? But are we going to see the baby talk?

I could.

I didn't see where he was.

Going, Rosie.

I thought that I had At one point, they at one point close up on him right when he right when it's right when normally he would talk because they're saying he can't talk, he can't talk, he can't talk, And then they close up on him, and I was like, is he about to talk?

If he talks, I'm gonna fucking flip.

If he says can the way this is he says that.

Oh my god, I don't. I'm curious what you what you both think? I do not want Grogu to talk, period.

I think that right now, no, And I think obviously you know, like Yoda was nine hundred, so we got potentially fifty years before.

Yeah, I was gonna say, and and Grogu is what now what they say he was fifty when they got him. From now he's fifty two, fifty three years old. Okay, so you think in the last three years he's advanced exactly much for a being that live to nine hundred.

He's the baby. We love the baby also as well. That can be something they can work up to. When he inevitably shows up in the Ray movie as one of her Judi students, like, somewhere down the line, we may be.

I have no problem, you know, I keep it, keep it.

The baby sou Grogu is re christened Din Grogu, a Mandolin, an official Mandalin apprentice. Now Din and Jr. As part of the apprenticeship, have to travel the space ways together as as Dinjarren shows his newly adopted son Ding Junior the ways of the Mandolorin so that it can become a full fledged Mandalorian. And as this is happening, the Misosaur, which is slumbering below the waters, opens its eyes. There's this wonderfully emotional moment where Bo relights the Great Forge

Down Okay, So when the baby just before the mythso wakes up, the baby looks into the water and almost like touches it with the force, like he knows the mythisaurs down there.

He can he can sense the mythosaur down there.

And I think that's why the Mithisaur opens its eyes as if it is right, I don't hearing sens or something. Yes, so should we presume although I guess Grogu has had has had contact with other animals some sort of like so that maybe he has a the force allows him to connect with this mythosaur. And I did really think he would get more mythosaur.

I thought that the Mandalorians being back on Mandalor, I thought we would see bo on the mythosaur with the dark saber fighting Gideon.

I feel like the same, and I feel like all of the you know, all of the chatter around the watching of the show successfully wrote a shadow version of the season that I'm very intrigued by, where the Armorer or ex Wolves are duplicitous double agents, where the Mythhisaur comes out and Bocatan gets to ride it, like all this stuff that I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, time to team up for our fan fit.

I will say that it's the you know, a lot probably happens off screen obviously, but it does also seem as if either A bo is not really shared the Mithisaur news or b the Mandalorids are just bewhelmed about the Mythosaur's back, like we talk about this.

Yeah, my gut says I. I believe the shadow version of this was at least probably kicked about at least a bit about the mythisour being in the final episode. Now we know that there's going to be a movie. I think you saved that for the movie. Who's gonna ride the Mythosaur? Is it going to be both? I think Grogu is rising up the mythosaur riding ranks now that he's connection.

And you also have to figure the Mythosore has it done right? That's a very expensive VFX.

Oh exactly, And it's like something that canon wise, and the amount of time that we've heard about it but never seen it to really have the reveal is huge. And even though a finale of a big TV show like this would be a great place, I can understand why they'd want people to see that on Imax in the most.

Expensive Honestly, probably why we didn't see those birds again is because they are completely digital and if they're not doing something integral to what's going on, then why are we going to waste?

Why burn the money on them?

Mm hmm.

Now you could potentially take some of the Scott Lang Giant Man assets from you know, no from or from the From Endgame. Okay, so I was going to say, and reskin it from Missaur.

Yeah, I think that would be really easy. That's no harm sentence. Okay, So what about this then? If we're talking about reusing assets, will the asset of Grogu saving them in mof Gideon's office, is that going to be used when we first see Sue Storm it will just be the same bubble that's like the trade back.

That'd be great, Yeah, let's do it.

Definitely, they're definitely testing out how to do the Fantastic Four powers.

In these In these movies and shows, I will say I did sense small moments where you you could kind of put your finger on the moment where it's like, okay, here's where they tried to save money, you know, like when Bo is leading the charge. She ignites the dark sab has it out. They only showed like her hand and about an inch of the handle, like, which is a weird shot.

Right to not show the sword like an Authorian style moment.

They say his five grand and don't show the whole sword.

Get to go home on time today, just just to be a little about the sword.

So then didn't Grogu go and visit our good friend Captain Teva. I love to see him, love to see him at the tropical. I'm like you already stay down.

All I wanted, I like screamed, please let Zeb meet Grogu.

All I want.

All I wanted was for Ze to meet Grogu in the bar. Please just give him.

A little like nod while the baby's like eating his snacks or something.

So the New Republic is, of course stoked that the Mandos took out Gideon and for free, like they cost them zero credits for this. Uh, and then Mando pitches Captain on a team.

I don't even get me thought.

He basically says, listen, Grogu and I will hunt imperials right off the books. Okay, uh, this is not a New Republic operations, just you and me talking. You slide us some credits under the table. We'll take you.

We'll do the wet work. Me and my child will baby.

I just want to say, He pitches it as he says to him, I've got a baby. Now, I've got some I've got something. He's like, I can't be doing that dangerous stuff. I'm just gonna become an assassin from remnants and bring my child. That is more dangerous than being a bounty Hannah.

Now, I I wonder if what he was saying was I can't be doing this immoral bounty hunting and where it's just like I'm bringing everybody in. I'm bringing everybody in, droys. Yeah, I have different kind of aliens that.

He wants to just and of the legitimacy of people.

That just like didn't pay their parking tickets, Like, now, what if I just go after peace people who were probably bad? I mean we're talking about imperial Yes.

No, I think that's when because doesn't he say something like I wanted to, I can't go back to being just a bounty hunter.

It needs it needs to matter or something like that.

Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh and he says, listen, you can you can in terms of payment, which you are going to pay us because we're going to work for this, but you can give us an advance. And that advance is that ig head that my son just spotted above your mar which is by the way, quite horrific to just have a droid anyway. Uh. And then closing a loop on the memoryship plotline.

When we say it was over, let's give an apology to didn't because we really thought he was distracted.

We thought that they just had forgotten about the memoryship. But it's back back on Navarro. Grief, our good friend, High Magistrate Grief Karga gives Mando the keys and the deed to his beautiful news a piece of land. And by the way, with all the Mandalorians back on Man, he now has like this huge That's what.

I was wondering, did he get the whole land that Greek because that was such a weird moment in the in the season where they they they rescue or they save Navarro. The Mandalorians intercede in Navarro with the pirates. They are awarded this enormous piece of land and they immediately depart.

They're given they're given up.

They're given a home area to make their to make themselves at home, and they immediately go to retake mandl Or totally fine. But when they came back, did is that where Dnjarren is?

Or did? Did he did?

It was with Grief Cark like, I'm so sorry man, after you guys left, I gave that away.

So I've just I've just got.

This little cabin right. That was a deal for the existing Mandlarn people, like, I'm sure you understand, like I have to just like a thousand square feet I had to take some of that back. But no, I think that is all. I think that was all of their land.

I think it was. It does look like very barren and not a bad way.

But like that, it's very much like the end of a Western you know, like it's like very much like out.

On the planes.

He kicks up his feed he's got there's even like there's even like, uh, you know posts in front of the house too that you would attach your horse.

And they do the little favor.

So then Manda says, well, Grief, guess what I have a gift for you. Check this out, And next thing we know, we see a refurbished I G eleven.

First we see gens. First, we see the works.

Who worked very hard on this right, and here we see refurbished I G. Eleven walking up saying good evening citizens. I am I G eleven your new marshall. I am here to serve and protect the Citrus citizenry. And the crowd goes, wow, grief, Cargon is chirt, And I just have to say, what's We've talked a lot about the kind of questionable politics around droids here in this world. This is very funny to me that everybody is like, we've the bottomize and other folks, he will only follow order.

It's especially fucked up because like Dynn literally was like, that's my friend. That's the only droid I trust. I need his memory chip back because I trust him. And then he was like, I don't need imaturally, you guys have him. He can just be all like please seven.

And he very specifically says, and I forget what the exact wording is, but I G. Eleven basically says, listen, I will just follow orders.

Now.

I Am not gonna go and do weird things and bounty hunt on the side. I am just strictly the Marshall and it's great to see you. Big cheers from everybody and listen. I guess we until more information emerges and we know exactly what was doing with Ig eleven, we can't really say. But it did feel a little weird, you know what, from the dead.

That's what I couldn't figure out, was though, like I didn't need Ig eleven to come back, like I wasn't.

Frankly, to me, I that moment where Ig eleven.

Sacrifices himself so that they can escape the lava flow, et cetera, et cetera, I loved and was such an incredibly moving So the idea that, oh, now we have to bring him back, but not bring him back as the character we loved, but bring him back as a mind wiped like automaton. I was like, yeah, I don't quite get I feel like this because also because it's the last beat, I feel like we're supposed to be like, yeah, my guy, you know, And I was like, yeah, why exactly it is?

It is especially weird because didn't even says to Teva, he says, you know, oh, that reminds him of someone he used to know, so he even has that emotional thing, but then they just turn him into like it's like, also, wouldn't you need a certain amount of sentience to be a marshal that is not like a I.

Mean, listen, we just watched two episodes of grog riding around in the carcass of Dinn's professed friends.

We're doing comedy beats with the soup board. Yes yes, yes, yes, no no.

How great would it have been if, like I g eleven is there like I'm your new marshall, welcome, thank you people or whatever, and Groglu's just cling at his chest trying to get in.

Yeah. Yeah, he just pops out of the chest and he's like yes, yes, yes, and it's Gregor.

I hope they do get him a new little mech because he really seemed to enjoy it, and he took to it that Matt he was very good at piling in it. And then we get to the end where, you know, obviously a very a wonderful Western beat. There's so much classic Star Wars stuff here with you know, all the kind of thematic beats, and then here leaning into the Western themes that have always been there. President of Star Wars, we see the home on the range.

Greg who's playing with a little frog in the cree eating definitely.

And then Dan, you know, kicking up his feet, taking a much needed rest and relaxation. And it felt like a very hard and definitive end felt this chapter of the Mandalorian Who knows what comes after? Well, I think, what do you think?

Well, I think you know.

I think that you know this season and you know, frankly, and I love again, I love this show. I've loved spending all of this time both watching these episodes, waiting until midnight every Tuesday night and just rushing these episodes and being really engaged and delighted by so much of what they've done, confused and confounded at some of the other things that were done.

But I definitely think that's.

A lot of the kind of unevenness or or any of the kind of stuff that people have been confused by or or or weren't quite tracking were part and parcel of a much different version of the show this season.

This season was definitively a heavily.

Serialized narrative, whilst one thrust of a story with lots of characters, and I feel like at the end, when when the armor is like now you have to the armorer basically says now next season you can go on your adventures exactly.

And that's what they have a Villain of the Week.

And I don't think so.

I think the setup is now they're gonna now they're looking out. They don't We're not gonna be like with them on mandal or we're not gonna be inside of that story anymore. I think that chapter is done and the next chapter will open up, probably as it relates to them. My guests is Dinn and Grogul will be enlisted in the Ahsoka.

Live Action Rebels Crew throng narrative.

Right, They're gonna somehow be sucked into that story that is the result of whatever happens in ah Soca.

That's my hope, at least I think that's true. So do you think, and this is for both of you, like, do you do you think we'll ever get another season called the Mandalorian, because that's not That's what I'm not sure of. I think we'll get Ahsoka. I think this will tie into it, But you know, Is it going to be like Din and the Baby? Is it going to be like Grogu? Is it?

I think just for marketing, I think just on a craven business level, the Mandalorian is too big a property like Comparatively, the Mandalorian is enormous and their flagship and is huge for them versus a show that I know we all just were obsessed with and or my understanding is underperformed for them. So yeah, I think they will

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you see them rebuilding of Mandalori.

Yeah, or you see them inside of the Rebels crew doing something that they're you know, they've signed on to do with them. You know, they they could be, they could both be, which I like, And this makes it a very creatively interesting show, which is you can tell individual stories. You can tell the case of the week, Monster of the Week stories for a while, but then you can also make ensemble based shows in which Din and Grogu are just part of a larger ensemble and that I love.

Yeah do.

We later find out that Din and Grogu were round for the big battles in the most recent Star Wars trilogy. How do they how do they in your mind theorizing now, how do they explain away the lack of attendance in the big, big fight scenes from Grogu and Din.

I wonder if they build in some kind of story.

Because I ask because I I was a little bit worried they were gonna killed in at the end of the d the fight was non zero worried, like I.

Had the feel just also as well, like Pedro's busy.

Comments about the comments from the showrunners about this is actually an exact about help well, this is the Mandalorian refers to them, is not just it. So I was kind of worried.

It's also notable in no live action, he's not the helmet doesn't come off at all exactly. And that's that's a first this season is the first time we right because at the end of both.

So I think there was a lot of people even wondering what that meant on a business level of being a leading person who doesn't have your face shown at any point in any episode of a season, so it's definitely interesting stuff. I think that they will probably do a story beat that says, Grogu is the future of

You also, it also opens up the question to where why isn't Ezra part of Yes, part of raised Big Big Why is part of Ray's story?

He would truly be like a senior Force user.

You know.

My hope is that there are very cool, very creative ways to tell those stories. Wouldn't it be what if the reason that they're not is because Ezra and Grogu are What if Grogul becomes like Ezra's padawan and they go.

On it exactly exactly?

You know, No, I love that idea. And now that we're in this outer rim space and this wider ideas of the galaxy, there are multiple different conflicts happening. It's not just what we know from the main timeline and the main the main trilogy. So I think there's definitely a space. And we've been saying it's one of the

Wow?

Huge? Huge?

Any final thoughts?

My final thoughts are I really enjoyed it? I thought, you know, again, this is one of my favorite shows. I would I would cut off my arm to be on this show.

I would. I want to.

I would love to be. Star Wars is my stories, you know, like this is. I'm fifty. I grew up on these movies from the time they were coming out in theaters, the original trilogy. These are my movies. These are my stories. This is what I'm This is a world that I love being inside of.

It feels like it's it'll happen.

Yeah right, I was gonna say it's inevitable.

I mean, the amount of improv world people that have already played on the show is quite notable. It is oh yeah, oh no crazy Kevin Dorr character.

If they came to you and said who do you want to play and you get to pick.

Oh wow, you know what.

You know?

What I would love to play is there are characters that I would love to play, But I would love to play someone in like the Acolyte or someone Yes, I would love to play someone in the High Republic era, or someone in this James Mangold movie if that ever gets made. I'd love to play a character who's an unknown that I that is, you know, that is able to be defined by the performance, rather than wouldn't it be cool to be Quinlan Voss? Wouldn't it be cool

A character in that world.

These are my stories. This is what I love.

So any time that I can spend and with characters in this world, and then also consuming all the podcasts and all this stuff. Just during the time that this season has aired, I've been so excited and having so much fun inside Star Wars. I've rewatched Rebels again, and I've rewatched the last three seasons of Clone Wars again just because I was having so much fun being inside.

Star Wars stories.

So I had a great time, even though I did genuinely feel like the season was a little uneven for me.

Yeah, I my thought would be I understand the and

Has over me.

Every time they do a one shot a Warner of this of this puppet's face, every time it makes some sort of cooing sound or or presses the button to say yes or no, it is. I could watch that for two hours. I could just watch it cooing and making facial making different faces. It's to the emotion that this fucking puppet carries, it is and.

The emotion that it can elicit, you know, it is. It's incredible, it conveying. It's an incredible job they do.

Emo.

It's an incredible performance literally, yes, from the from the puppet and the VFX operators, and it's incredible. But then it makes me like when Groku is you know, sous storming everybody in the in the invisible shield, I'm like crying. He's saving his mom and dad. I'm crying. You know, It's it's very emotional.

It greatly is.

I'm grateful every day that Werner has called them cowards and told them to use the puppet, because truly we need more puppets in our life. Yeah, I agree with both of you. I think you covered it up very well. I will say I am a huge fan of the Saturday Morning Adventure aspect of sci fi, of Star Wars, of the things that shape George Lucas in making this

Oh one more question, are we gonna Are we going to tie up the G sixty eight loosens and the MNSTY program the very clear uh you know neo Imperial plot that is slowly unfurling there on Coruscant, which is probably the project to create Snoke and bring back Palpatine like further down the road.

Yeah, well do you think that?

Well, let me ask you this, do you think that Do you think Moff Gideon is dead?

Dead dead?

I wasn't sure. I thought, you know, we know, nobody really dies. We saw it off all dimes, so happened there, spider, you know, But I actually do think the explosion was big enough that he is I'm like ninety percent on the dead side ten percent on a like general grievous situation. That's the only way.

We can come well, because like we've invested some much time in his spy network. You know, it's his spies that got to that are inside the New Republic. It's his spies that get to pershing in the mind flare, like all of that stuff. If he's gone, does that spine network just go to someone else? Or yeah, to your point, will we never see them again? Because we don't have to?

I think that G. I think G sixty eight eliot. I think she is actually going to be like a very big connecting thread between all of these stories as basically the representative of the Imperial remnants. So if that spy network goes to anyone, I think it's her, and I think she keeps it alive. I love that performance that Katie O'Brien did. She's so nefarious and so villainous.

I would also love to see her as a thron spy. I would love it if she if Thron saw in her this is this is someone I can use to my advantage. That would be so you know, and that would be great if if basically thrown enters and just takes over the vacuum left by Maff Gideon's death.

That's interesting to me.

That makes a lot of sense. And also mof was outspokenly against Thrawn and constantly presented himself as a better option or suggested they were beout options. And Thorn is a very egotistical person, So I think that taking over from Moff Gideon, who didn't survive. And also if we look at the mall situation, that could also set up something very cool if ten years down the line they actually wanted to bring Moff back and it's him and thrown in that kind of competition.

Will say that I believe that Maff Gideon is dead dead only because it was you know, a feat of the force, right, that Palpatine was able to take his consciousness at the moment of death and move it to you know, like beam in over Wi Fi to his clone. And I would assume that that is not something that Gideon has either the wherewithal to do through the force.

You know?

You know I'm also behind, I will admit, And it is you know, as a comics reader, I'm sure you comics readers you both understand that feeling when you look over where your comics are and suddenly, suddenly, somehow there's piles of stuff and you're like, oh God, what is this? And it's interesting what I choose to read, what I choose to keep going with, and a lot of that tells you, like what I'm loving, you know, and so like I will still.

I've been a.

Completist on hell Boy stories, yeah, from the beginning basically, And so those are books I always read partially because they usually come in digestible stories single, one shots, two shots, or four issues.

Max tell a story in Hellboy, and so I keep up with that. I love that. The what was the Cliff Chang Catwoman book that came out?

Oh?

Is it called Lonely City?

No, it's called City Something.

I thought that was fantas I love Cliff Chang, so I thought that was just fantastic. So beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. I'm another one of the artists that I really like.

Declan Schalvey has a new book out right now called I Think Old Man, The Old The Old Man.

Maybe it's called I can't remember.

There's only been a couple of issues so far, and I read that, which I really liked.

Rosie, what about you? What are you reading?

Okay? So yesterday was I'm also behind on the weekly single issues. It's hard to keep up. There's so many great comics. But yesterday it was the eight if an anniversary of Superman's first appearance and Lois Lane's first appearance, and DC released this absolutely gorgeous Lowest Lane graphic novel called Girl Taking Over. It's by Ariel Jo Vilanos and Sarah Coon, who is so such a brilliant writer, and together it's just unbelievable. It's got gorgeous colours by Olivia Puccini.

Ooh, that's great because like that's a Doom Patrol a book. I have almost zero knowledge of D Like DC in general, I'm very ignorant of is so much so that I would love if and I don't want to put you on the spot, but if you have any recommendations, I've recently watched a ton of the animated a ton of the DC animated movies, right YEI, which I'd only seen a couple here and there, and I just watched a whole bunch of them that were all about John Constantine. Oh, well,

It, You're going to be very happy. Because Constantine was created by Alan Moore, so you're in a good place. YEA, the brilliant space. I would say the old school, the ago hell Blazer, which is what his story was, is one of the best places to go. They actually recently did a really incredible John Constantine y a graphic novel in that same series, which is a really good jumping on point that I adored, and it has really really beautiful art. There's so many good ones. I love Mike Carey.

Oh okay, cool, Yeah, I've watched none of that show.

Yeah, it's it's a joyous queer superhero romp through space. Great, very very star Wars in that way, like Villain of the week kind of.

Have you guys ever read Johanna the Chris Book?

I love that book.

That book is absolutely fantastic and dible, all ages book that I cannot recommend, especially if you have a young person in your life who you want to read comics or who does read comics. Chris Somney maybe one of my favorite artists right now.

Chris.

Okay, well then I'm gonna actually one of the other books I was going to recommend, which you will definitely love if you love that comic. There's this great new publisher called Saturday Am that's trying to like replicate kind of the shown and Jump like Manga magazine. They have this book called gun Hild by Fred Tornega, and I love this book. It's like a girl She's it's all

I have one thing to recommend, even though I am behind, and this is an older not older, but a recent but but it's the run is finished. And this is the Good Asian Yes, which is now Oh incredible books.

Incredible adapted to company.

By porn Sac Pisiste and Alexander TCHEFENGI beautiful, gritty, pulpy art this morning. A really really cool story about a Chinese American detective on the trail of a killer during the era of the Chinese Exclusion ACTU just really really great, a wonderful read, and it's a finished story. If you want to pick something up that you can just be done with with definitive ending. Uh, it's available there in trade paperback, multiple volume trade paper I'll.

Throw out another recommendation because it's a mashup of two things that I really love, which is the I'm a fan of all really was the very into the Kirkman Walking Dead books as they were coming out, very into the Walking Dead. I never really converted into a TV show watcher by I loved that comics run and but one of my favorite comics writer and artists Tilly Walden has done, has done now a story and now a second one is coming out set in that world called Clementine.

Unbelievable.

Tilly Walden incredible, uh has has put out a number of truly incredible on a sunbeam spinning graphic novels that are just.

One of the best cartoonists working at the moment. Without question, Are.

You Listening is another one of hers that are just really fantastic.

Yeah. I loved Clementine also has it's got disabled protagonist because it's Clementine from the Walking Deck Games. It's amazing. It's set an Amish country, which is something I feel like I've never really seen in comics. I loved that comics so much. I actually chatted to Tilly about it Polygon with just a really great interview. Tilly was recently made the Comics Laureate of Vermont.

We really yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh that's rare.

Yeah, those Clementine comics are red and you know what, a lot of fans did not approach them in a supportive way because, as we know, some top fandoms can be quite toxic. So I would just say go out and read.

Those wait really, oh yeah, unfortunately.

But Rosie is certainly not comics.

Unfortunately. That is the case. Let's see, since we spent a lot of time talking about the Mandalorian in this episode, and that is, you know, on some level inspired by the classic Wolf and Cub comics. You know, anytime you have an older warrior with a baby, the baby, it can only be inspired by a Wolf and Cub. Any particular favorite Wolf and Cub stories for either of you, Rosie.

Well, I would say, if you haven't read it, go and read Lone Wolf and Cub. Dark Horse has multiple collections of them. It's like one of the most influential comics ever made. It's the writer is Kazu Koike, and then the artist was go Cy Kajima. And these are just some of the most astonishingly brilliant comics. They have played a huge influencer. Frank Miller, for example, no matter how you feel about him, that is someone who deeply

Yeah. Yeah, he really like as a reader of the time too. It like Wolverine really became one of my favorites when he would get paired with Jubilee exactly, when you know, when they would go on and adventure together.

That was that's the balance that you want, you know.

Hope they keep that whenever they whoever they cost as Wolverine. By the way, now I'm like, are they gonna cost Pager as Wolverine? Like is that happening? Because this really

That's what one of my favorite recent comics run is over now. But Wolverine and the X Men, when Wolverine was basically the headmaster of the school for a period of time, it was so fun because it was fun. It was that was like prime cranky dad in charge of like all these preteen and teenage kids who are just like you, old man.

He's refereeing the baseball games.

Absolutely fun. Any any final Lone Wolf and Cub.

Mixed, Jason, You know, I'm trying. I'm not.

I'm having trouble coming up with other comics because I'm stuck on like oh yeah, like true Grit falls in like Exaust that's a great Lone wolfing uh and Cub story type story. The Sam Mendy's movie, what's the movie with Tom Hanks where he's got his son and.

There he wrote todition thank you?

Oh yeah, that's great.

On a comic.

Oh that's right, Yeah, that's right. I'd never read it though I don't I didn't process.

But you're right, you'll be You'll be okay with it Lone Wolf and cop I will also say, brilliant movies. So if you want more of that, to see where that influence came from, you can really get to enjoy that kind of stuff.

It really is.

It's the Batman and Robin, you know, like when exactly exactly when they've really leaned into it, you know, like the you know they Frank Frank Miller's done it, Like when they really lean into it. Those the Batman and Robin relationship, when Robin especially isn't Damian Wayne, you know, is not is not a cup like, he's not.

Assassin.

You're right, the Dark Knight returns like Carrie Kelly exactly. That's what I was very lone Wolphone Cup like, and and Frank was hugely influenced by these.

Right because he can't he kind of can't shake her. He kind of she is you know, there is an element of it. There's a reluctant dad element too that I think is part and parcel of this. It's not his child, he just has to take care of the women.

Yeah, no, I love that. Also. I I went when The Batman came out, I went to Warner Brothers and I saw it and Robert Pattinson was there and he said something that I've never forgotten where somebody was like, you know, would you do a robin and he was like, only if the only if robin is like eleven, and I want to see it so badly because I'm like, that is how weird it needs to be and that is that lone wolphing cup thing like why do you

Yeah, I would love that. I think that would be rad and so upsetting in a.

Way that in a way that I feel like they're interested in, Like I feel like that that Matt Reeves Batman universe is interested in him, in him making mistakes and him and him, you know, taking els and that that would certainly be one.

You know.

Well, Jason, it's been so delightful to have you on the program.

Thrilled to be here.

Yes, such a wonder please come back.

Anything to oh I will plug Well you were kind enough to mention the how did this get made?

Podcast? That I do?

Horful podcast?

Just so much fun?

Oh thanks?

With Paul Sheer and June Diane Rayphael, where we talk about terrible movies and subject ourselves to watching them. It's really it's been going on for fourteen or thirteen years, and it's deeply upsetting.

I'll also throw out a recommendation.

For something that I think you're, especially fans of the show, will like, which is I'm one of the voices on Star Trek Prodigy, Yes, which is a fantastic st Our

I was just a voyager Janeway show. I should not say no to that.

It really is so fun and so beautiful, and it feels very and I hope this is okay to say, but it to me feels very similar to a Clone Wars or a Rebels in the sense of it is. Yeah, it is young protagonists, and it is adventure based and it's a blast, and I play, you know, as always a sixteen.

Year old, which is.

Yet again.

But please everybody watch Star Trek Prodigy. Show it to your kids. It's incredible, hard Star Trek sci fi. It's a blast. And you know, if you don't mind, it's on Paramount Plus. Set it up to auto play the whole series.

We really want it. I love that completion rate, guys, I love it.

Hey, thank you so much, Jason, absolutely, thank you. Up next nerd Out.

In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love them, why, or a theory you're excited to share. Marcus pictures us on the Star Wars sequel trilogies in the wake of Star Wars Celebration twenty twenty three, and specifically on the Fantastic Daisy Ridley as Ray.

Hey, Jason and Rosie, First time, long time.

This week on the nerd Out, I'm pitching a small series of independent films better known as the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

Ever heard of it.

I'm a lifelong Star Wars fan who grew up with the prequels and never ever expected we would get a sequel trilogy, but I always dreamed of one, So to get a trilogy starring an actress as talented as Daisy Ridley was a dream fulfilled look. The trilogy is not perfect, and its flaws are often over exaggerated because of the perverse incentives of social media, but that's a nerd out for another time. Ray is quite simply one of the most compelling characters in all of Star Wars, and that's

Thanks Marcus. If you have theories of passions that you want to share, hit us up at x ray at crooked dot com. Instructions is always in the show notes, and we also wanted to thank everyone for sending so many brilliant Mandalorian fan theories in We love featuring a bunch on the pod and reading them over email. Apologies for not being able to include them all, but thank you for sending them and keep them coming.

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