Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for episode six of Obi Wan Kenobi, the event finale of Obi Wan Kenobi, plus spoilers for episode three of Miss Marvel. Be warned. If you haven't watched those things, watch them and then come back to us. Hello, my name is Jason Concepciona. Welcome next for Vision the Crooked podcast, where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. In today's episode on Previously on we will give a heartfelt
tribute to the great Tim Sale who passed recently. We will discuss some Kevin Figee comments, talk about Wonderman, talk about John Snow coming back in the airlock. It's time to dive into Miss Marvel episode three and Obi Wan Kenobi episode six aka the finale aka Big Dual episode. And if you want to jump around, of course, check out the time stamps in the show notes. I'll give you all the details about the things we're talking about and who's we Who are the people that we're going
to be talking about this stuff. I'll tell you who. It's my great co host, the greatest to ever do it, one of the most knowledgeable and wise comics people out there. It is the great Rosie Night, Rosie, how are you a Hello?
I'm happy to be. I'm happy to be. I'm in I'm in Toronto. I was traveling all day, so I literally just made it in. So I'm just appreciative of all you guys for making time for that. And we're going to be to be living.
It up talking about all this in the Commonwealth. Does it feel like home? You're in the Commonwealth?
Now, you know what it does? Because I was like, I need to get some food to eat after we record, and the first place I found was like a berryan the house, so it actually really does feel like I'm in London. The guy really hooked me up too, so yeah, actually it kind of does it. I like to Wrother. I've been here for a lot of course set visits, so it's nice to be back.
All right, Let's jump in first with news and a sad story. Tim Sayle, who was admitted to the hospital for issues regarding his kidneys, has passed away. Passed away on June sixteenth, and in heartfelt Instagram post, Jim Lee wrote, quote Tim sale was an amazing artist, draftsman, and storyteller. Beyond the taut churiscuro style, which became his trademark. Tim clearly put a premium on storytelling, clarity and pacing cherishing emotion.
Above all, his stories were beautifully visceral, nuanced, and events deep humanity. Tim simply had no use for surface banality, and it is a huge loss. Tim is probably most remembered for his relationship with Batman and numerous legendary stories, most notably probably The Long Halloween, but also some great stuff with Marvel two Dared l Yellow is a favorite, Hulk Gray is very good. Jeff Lobin there, but you know, what are you gonna do? And it's it's really sad.
Tim Sale, I think had a style that I think you could accurately describe as timeless. It looks like it could have come from almost any era of comics or illustration history.
Absolutely, and I think that you know, this is such a loss, and Jim did such a beautiful kind of memorial of him, and I just I think if you look at especially like you mentioned The Long Halloween, this is a book from the nineties that is still one of the most influential Batman stories of all time. Every time a new Batman project comes out, they're looking back to the long Halloween that is Detective Batman. It's as seminar to a lot of people as year one, and
that is absolutely because of Tim's art. It is just the most it's really it's kind of wild to think that this year, you know, alongside George pres and other DC icon we lost two of the most iconic Batman artists with Tim Say and Neil Adams. You know that that it's it's a it's it's a really it's a tough year if you love comics, but it's a great time, as we always say, to go back and discover the amazing work that these creators did.
Yeah, Tim had a When I discovered his art, he had it. He is a style that makes you want to try drawing because it looks you know what I mean, because it because it looks so simple and doable. It's very elegant. Uh. It's to Jim's point, there is not an extra line or an extra bit of shading anything like that. It is it is a very clean, almost the the kind of illustration weight of something that you might find like in a newspaper comic strip that that it's cartooning.
It's brilliant cartoons.
Brilliant cartooning, but at the highest level. Yeah, and that's the That's the thing I think about when I think about Tim Saley made He made me want to try drawing something because it just looked. You look at his stuff and you think, oh, I think I could do that, and then you realize that you can't, but it made you feel like you could.
The myth of simplicity, that that timelessness you were talking about. He makes it look easy. Everything looks effortless, it looks simple and slick, and when it's detailed, it looks organic, and you think, oh, maybe I could do that, and then you're like, no, I couldn't like him sales doing it.
Yeah. Rest in peace to Tim and best our best wishes to his family and loved ones. Yeah. Kevin Feige has some comments about what's coming next for the MCU. He's quoted in Games of Radar as saying, quote, I think there have been many clues already there that are at least apparent to me of where this whole saga is going. At least apparent. Yeah, Kevin, it.
Should be sure.
You're a little amaze, You're blessed, he continues, but will be a little more direct about that in the coming months to set a plan so audiences who want to see the bigger picture can see a tiny, tiny, tiny bit more of this roadmap. And this is I think essentially what we've been saying, you know, going back to Eternals and certainly up through the doctor change of the
Multiverse of Madness. And in the context of Figy his recent comments about a brainstorming session that was coming up, a creative brainstorming session, that at least this slate of movies and MCU shows is something of a holding pattern while they figure out that yes they have Kang, but how that all ties together. There's a lot of moving pieces to that, and of course, you know, huge movie crews and staffs and writers and actors and stuff, and
all that stuff has been coordinated. So I think that's coming together now. And it seems like just an acknowledgment that, you know, to just state quite humbly that we were right once again, wrote I.
Think we are right. You know, I think that there's I think that we have been very eager about deciphering the seeds that have been sown. And I would say that to people like me and you, I would agree. I don't think Evan's overreaching, even though he knows what's going on. Yeah, I think there have been seeds that have been sewed. Whether it's Kang because then we know that leads to the Fantastic Four. You know, whether it was seeing that place that absolutely you know, look like
Latveria in Moonlight, which leads to Doom. You know, whether it's something we'll talk about later with Miss Marvel, but the introduction of all of these secret cultures, yes, you know, these these secret worlds that all have different fighting styles and magic and techniques. We've seen it in shang Qi. You know, we've already got those established in Wakanda. We're likely going to see a version of Atlantis maybe in Black Panther two, which we've always said feels like it's
leading to a battle or world or secret wars. So I think that the I think the hints are there. But I think this is really interesting because I want to know. I want to know what the bigger picture is going to be, Like, who do you think that they're going to announce? I think the implication is like they're going to announce their next big villain, which we kind of thought was Kang, but we have also been like, maybe he would be more of an ally and an anti hero. So who do you think it could be?
If they're going to kind of drop a big, a big reveal about who the next Thanos style villain could be.
Well if if if the initial Marvel phases one to three or any kind of guide, then each step along the way right had their villain. So LOOKI was there to kind of get us to Thanos, right, Yeah, I think.
It's funny to think about.
Similarly, Kang will be here to get us to whoever comes next. Now, if we've got all these multiverses now and different dimensions popping up in every Marvel property, I think at a certain point they're going to want to shut that down, yes, and just say we've introduced all the things we needed to introduce. Let's cut it off and simplify things. And you know, we've talked a lot about secret wars or incursions, this idea of multiverses collapsing
into themselves. We've already had a mention of that in Doctor Strange with the Multiverse of Madness in the comics. After the incursions and after all these multiverses kind of squashing together. There is a new reality that is created by the will of Doctor Doom with the help of
Doctor Strange. That is a battle world, and that is the twenty fifteen Secret Wars event in which you know, all the Marvel heroes live in this you know, world that has like all these different regions and kingdoms, some with zombies, some with all these thors in it, and slowly, bit by bit they begin to remember where they came from and they fight each other and then Doom to
return the world to the way it was. And there's also, of course, the original nineteen eighty four Secret Wars event, one of the great and most iconic money grabs in comics history.
And the most toyatic, the most poietic.
Shooter, you evil genius, you scamp, you scip, you sip you everyone hat I have to give a Jim Shooter this. Everybody was like, this sucks, it's a money grab. Everyone he worked with was like, this is gard. They burned Jim Shooter in effigy at Marvel and he was right. This Secret Wars was a huge event, introduced us to a bunch of different paradigm shifting things. Spider Man's Black Suit came out of it, and the bad guy of
that was the Beyonder. So I do wonder if we get a Beyonder like incredibly powerful, godlike reality shifting figure who forces all our heroes into some kind of battle world to fight that.
The way we're going, it looks like they're probably taking from both the series, Like you mentioned the eighty four and the twenty fifteen the Black Suit. We know that the Symbia now exists in the MCU. Titana, who were going to see in she hop she came from Secret Wars, you know, and then we got the twenty fifteen one. You know, perhaps we're not going to see a you know, a Doom who studied with Red as the first introduction.
Perhaps we're going to see God Emperor Doom. Yeah, and kind of speaking to what you were saying about the notion of the MCU basically introducing a bunch of stuff from them wanting to streamline it, which is what we kind of always thought. It was a way for them to introduce new characters and kind of build out the world without going too wild. That is what Secret Wars did.
Secret Wars was them attempting to streamline everything to the not officially called this at the time six one six, which absolutely was six or six, mostly Mars Morales wanting to bring that character from the Ultimate Universe into the
main Marvel Comics universe. So I think we're going to see something like that, and I'm really excited because, like, I love the note that we could just see like a Beyond the reveal or a Glactus reveal or something like that, or we could all just get pranked again.
Like when they had this, I remember, like I think it was I don't think it was San Diego because I wasn't there, but there was a convention and they had these four figures underneath a big sheet and they were like, this is like the most important reveal in Marvel history. And it was a big guy, a skinny guy, and we were like, oh my god, it's a fantastic four, like this is it? And it was the Children of Thanos. I've never forgiven Kevin for that, So I'm like, I
want to know. I'm like, is this a real concrete is Kevin saying? Nobody's guessed it?
Right?
Like I want to know what we're going to see next, because it would be really nice to be surprised. But I think we're on the right track.
Yeah, I think we're on the right track too. Up next, a wonder Man series is in development for the MCU. This from the Hollywood reporter Shank Chi and Legend of
the Ten Rings filmmaker Destined. Daniel Kreton has teamed up with Andrew guest writer producer on comedy is Brooklyn nine nine and Community Community Family, Very very Strong in the MCU as we well know yes to tackle a live action MCU series featuring the long time Marvel character wonder Man aka mister Hollywood himself, Simon william We've been waiting a while and talking for a while about Simon about the appearance of Wonderman. He's got to come through at
some point. I see a little romance perhaps with Wanda Brewing.
We'll see you like it could happen.
She's alive, by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's.
Just in the Eldritche orchard like about her sins, how she's going to make up for them or something, you know, inker color.
But this is very exciting because Wonderman has always been a favorite of mine and I think, you know, back when I was first back when I was always pouring over the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe. I was always like, Okay, who's the strong who are the strongest guy?
And Simon Williams, I think is one of the most underrated one hundred class strong Oh yeah, meaning meaning has the highest measurable stats for strength in the in the Marvel Universe, in that top tier of strength, along with the Hulk, you know, not enraged Hulk and Thor and others. And but has that really fun kind of like slightly self loathing, Like I was a Hollywood star and fallen on down on kind of a downturn in my career and now I'm in a relationship with the Scarlet Witch.
But it's very complicated. Also, I'm very, very strong, and I'm still trying to get my acting career off the ground. But I guess I'll give this Avengers thing ago for a while. He's just a fun just a fun character to have around. Tell us about tell us about Simon.
Well, yeah, Simon Williams. Wonder man. I'm very interested by this decision because this is I don't I don't want to get lud into a false sense of security right again, because like I feel like when when they announced the Wander Vision creative team, and we had Matt Shackman, who's
worked on you know, It's always sunny. Everyone was like, oh yeah, it's like and it's like forties, so it's going to be like a comedy, like a sitcom, and we got absolutely pranked, right, But I do think that you you know, when you said miss Darleywood, like Eric Diaz at Nerdist wrote this really really great piece about how he thinks that that could be a great angle for where they're going basically doing like Simon as a
movie star. Simon Williams premiered in Avengers number nine, so that's a super early first appearance and that was Stanley don Heck Dick Ayers and yeah, and a lovely Jack Kirby cover and interestingly like then he died and then he became a villain, and I just think, I think there's so much there. I would love to see this be another situation like Wondervision where we're kind of taken surprise and it's something a little bit more, a little bit better. But I also do love the notion of
the superhero who's also an actor. That's one of my favorite things that they ever did with Hercules, who we know we're going to see soon. So I kind of love the idea that maybe they do just go for a bit of a broader comedy and there's some space that we get to see him and wonder Meat that's kind of in that wonder Vision esque like fantastical space. And also I'm most interested to know are they gonna just like buff up Paul Bettenny and get him to pay? I mean, it would be like a really fun silly
thing to do. And also I wonder the other option that I wonder this would be the darker version, and I think this does kind of fit in right. So in the comics, Simon william gets his powers. I think he gets powers from like Baron's Emo at one point.
Yes, the first time, I think, yeah, he gets powers, And I could see a world.
You know, we've in the world of Powerbroker, We're in this world of superheroes. I could see a kind of dark twist on that story that fits more into the Dark Avengers or the Thunderbolts or whatever we think that
they're going to do. And Simon Williams beginning in that space and transitioning over because we know I like that, And then you know what else, I suppose there's a world where you could still build in the origin of the vision having a brain imprint of Simon Williams's brain, which is what we see in the comics, because that could be something they try to do to Gray Vision. So I think there's a lot of ways that you could tie that in. But I also like, I kind
of want to see that. But I also love this idea of like doing a kind of more like comedic fun like Hollywood hero version.
I want to let uh I do like that take, only because I think that's the one that's most likely to deliver the iconic Simon Williams Safari jacket to us.
Yeah, baby, I'm still waiting for the doctor strange leopard prink gloves, you know, like it's all about those weird old costumes.
I wonder if what about this now I listen, I'm not making pridition, but this here's my pitch. Simon Williams and his brother Eric Williams, better known as the Grim Reaper in the comics, Simon has a very hate hate relationship with his super brother, the Grim Reaper. What if there are super villains first, and he's kind of working with Eric, But you know, he's the reluctant one. You know, Eric's really the hardcore guy, and he's kind of like,
I don't know. And then something, you know, they're in crime, and Eric's like, let's get powers, and they they talk to it Powerbroker or Count Nefaria or Baron z Emo or whoever they get powers. Eric becomes a Grim Reaper, Simon becomes Wonder Man, and and maybe that's how we start.
I think that is a really interesting take because also like in the in the more recent Vision comics, I think it's Tom King and Gabriel Walter, the Grim Reaper is a big inciting point for that storyline, and I just kind of it just kind of blew my mind the idea that something that could really take everyone out of the blue that none of us would be expecting is just a Vision series where it's Vision Gray Vision, who is free, trying to live his life, who perhaps
has created this family or something, and then comes up against Simon Williams and the Grim Reaper. You know, I think that is a really interesting take, and they're definitely interested in this morally gray space right at the moment, whether it's Wonder or any of these kind of you know us Agent Abomination, you know, suddenly teaming up like that is still I'll never get over that one, but like I would be, I'm very interested to see this.
Feels like a character has a lot of potential and could be a massive hit for them, kind of in the way Wander was. Like Scarlett Witch had fans before the MCU, but now Scotlett Witch has like legions of obsessive fans and Simon Williams. Seems like that could be another kind of lesser known character that you could blow up into like a big MCU hit up.
Next, John Snow series, a sequel to Game of Thrones in development at HBO. This according to the Hollywood Reporter quote, HBO is entered into early development on its first sequel to the blockbuster fantasy drama, a live action spinoff series centered on the fan favorite character John Stone. Now it continues, Kit Harrington is attached to reprise the role should a series move forward. The actor the actor was twice nominated for Emmy for his portrayal. Now, let's just quickly tap
the brakes a little bit. And this also goes for wonder Man series and development for MCU in development and specifically when they said when the City or HBO has entered into early development, that means they have an idea. They don't have as script, they don't have an outline, they don't even have a team. They just someone said, Hey, if we find a good idea for a John Snow series, Kit Harrington, would you be down to do it? Then he was like, yeah, sure, and that's what this is.
Now.
Someone was saying, don't get excited. I'm just saying I'm just saying, it's very The language here lets you know that this is very very extremely very cursory, Like there's no maybe an NDA or something, but there's.
Only just a positive conversation that got some people excited.
I think this makes a lot of sense, and I think I've said it before. I think that if if HBO had realized the importance of IP in the marketplace back when they were ending the series, they would have I think they would have done things differently. And I think that the fact that they're attempting to move forward with this, or at least moving into a very very early form of the production process with this, lets you know that they think that too. And I think this makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I agree. I think that they they long to return to the days of Game of Thrones being like the show and you know what, it's a tried and true method to just get a character that people like to come back. You know, I'm.
Intrigued people like it when they see their characters that they love come back a new story that he also loved.
We will be talking about a show like that just this week, Like you know what I mean, it's it's
it's kind of funny. I think you're so onto something there that's like and I know that's been something you've talked about for a long time, but it still kind of blows my mind thinking about how they missed that in the moment, the power of kind of what the IP was and the fan base that it built, and it's it's interesting to see them, you know, a few years later trying to work out the best way to kind of how I'm not going forwards and recapture that kind of lightning in the ball.
Up next, Miss Marvel and Obi wan Kenobi. Okay, we're stepping out of the airlock to talk about episode three of Miss Marvel and the season finale, series finale, Season.
I believe that's saying Event Finale, The.
Event Finale Obi Wan Kenobe First Up. Miss Marvel. Episode three Destined teleplay by Freddy Cyborn and Ac Bradley and Matthew Chauncey's story by Freddie Syborne, directed by mir Mennon. We open in British occupied India nineteen forty two. Note this is just a year before Steve, our good friend Steve Rodgers, would undergo the legendary super Solia process. We see three figures who we are soon to learn are
name Namia, Faria, and Salim. They're digging through the rubble inside of some ancient temple near in search of the Bengal we know exactly what that is. Faria notes that uh, they find it, and Frea notes that it's still attached to the arm of a blue skinned corpse. Ah Cree. I mean like this is a pre confirmation, So I.
Think I think that Kree is where it's gonna go. I think it's important to note that we've seen Yonder is a Centurion blue skinned.
They look kind of like Kema.
And also there are occasional versions of Gin in Marvel comics who are blueish, but this looked like a Kree arm I think we are meant to think it's kree.
Uh that is where I went. But we will we will find out more. They begin talking amongst themselves. You heard what the man from the temple said, says Namia. We would need too, meaning two Bengals. So in other words, we still don't know where that other one is. Than a woman who we suppose is either Kamala's grandmother or great grandmother, Aisha, strides over to see the gauntlet. She pries the pricelet off the corpse. We discovered that the other one is they think has been looted by the British,
who have been into this temple numerous times. Then one will have to do, the woman says, and they very cannily call her soldier if you have the the close captioning on. But again, we would surmise that this is either Sana or Aisha, but it's Aysha. We figure that out soon enough. The British army arrives and all of a sudden, the strangers have to flee or fight their
way out. Aisha puts on the Bengal as the temple begins to crumble around them, and the group separates in order to find our way out and we go to the present.
Okay, and just before we skip to the present, because I didn't notice this until the second time on the flow of the temple is the logo of none other than the Ten Ring. Now that is not going to be We're going to skip to the present and we're essentially going to forget it. But let's remember it because we are in the artifact era of them. We are calling it on X ray vision, and I love the
artifact era. I would assume that there is not it's not a coincidence that there is a magical alien artifact in this space by the people who hold the magical probably eternals created artifact of the Ten Rings God.
I love the artifacts. And by the way, we should add, you know, previous in earlier phases of the MCU as we have talked about, you know, pre mutation, there was you either got injected with something, there was some kind of lab experiment, or you are a god or alien.
Yeah.
Right, uh. Now we're finding new ways there. We've we've we've got artifactstation.
And they give power or they unlock power. It's very interesting the the fact does not inherently empower anyone. It unlocks certain things within people. That is something that I think is really unique about the era we're in.
I agree also that I gotta say that all the talk of the way the Bengal unlocks, they don't say specifically DNA as such, but that's the way I took it also reads.
Very cree Yes, that's the kind of science that they love.
That's they love that shit. We go to the present. Namia, flanked by her three compatriots plus Kamala's schoolmate comrade now is telling Kamala this tale of the past, how they came to find the Bengal and how iu it came to be separated from them. That was the last time they saw Kamala's great grandmother. Kamala asks how they knew her. Nami explains, okay, sit down, here we go. So we're
all exiles from another dimension. That should have been the first red flag, by the way, you know, right exit when when you've done ship to such a degree that your entire dimension is like, go to a different dimension. Like we don't even want to, We don't even want to put you in another world, off world in this dimension. We want you out of this completely.
Also, like everyone in the MCU is really chill about like other dimensions.
It's like, I feel like everyone that oh yeah, of course, oh yeah, sure, yeaheah, yeah, we got it. I mean, to be fair, they did see like an entire Chitari army poor out of the sky.
You know, it works well in the context of the show of like of what we know of the history. It's just really fun to see like people be like, oh yeah, we know about the alives like another dimension. Of course. I mean, of course you would think that when like Captain America exists in your world and like you said, Chatari.
So Kamala is is pretty mind blown by all this. We discovered the exiles are soon to be named. The Clandestines are all very very old, perhaps centuries old. Kamala learns as Adam, another exile, walks.
In with important name.
Remember that name, Yeah, remember that name. With bluetooth headphone on singing music. Namya mentions that Camaran said Kamala was cute, which Namya agrees with, and we get an awkward and very wonderful, heartwarming little teen moment between.
It's very cute.
Later, Namia and Kamala have a private talk. We learned that Kamala donning the Bengal is the thing that allowed these exiles to sense her presence, which they feel as nere, meaning light. Nere is how the exiles remain young. There are hundreds, perhaps perhaps even older than that, years old, centuries old. Kamala is worried about Okay, I've got this bangle now and with great power, you know, comes all the rest of that stuff, And I'm worried that putting
this on is going to put everyone in danger. No mean, I was like, don't worry. You're awesome, Like everything's great. Isn't it great? You found like we found you and you found your tribe now and this is awesome, isn't it great? Everything's so so, so so good, and in fact, it feels almost too good to be true. And here you get that hint that yes it is, because Kamalala is like, so hold on a second, do I have to give you? Do you want the mangle? Like? Do
I have to give it to you? And I'm just like, sort of, just let's table that conversation now. Just keep this in the back of your mind. Your great grandmother wanted all of us to go home, and now that's your job. So we can work out the details later, but let's just talk about it, uh. And that is when Namiya says, by the way, we're called clandestinees, you would know us as gin. Uh, you know which another word for that is genius.
Basically like yeah, it comes it comes from the same the same kind of folkloret history.
Yeah. Kamala goes to see Bruno. She tells him about the Sarctek drones, about the Gin, about her being potentially a gin, about how Camrade was involved and he's also probably a gin, and ps, I need your help Bruno because there's like interdimensional shit going on. And Bruno. I love Bruno because he like he takes this all in and then like wait a beat and then goes, actually, I do think I can help with the internevidual Oh. He's like He's like, oh that actually.
I think I read a paper on that. And I'm like, Bruno, I love you, I love.
It, And she's like yeah, Eric Selvic beat on me, yeah, like a well, well aware of doctor Eric's incredible groundbreaking work almost getting Earth colonized by Shaitari. He did do that, but like again, brilliant man. And so Bruno's like, yeah, I can, I can. Let me dig into Eric's paper, and I'm gonna work on this one more thing. Bruno says,
by the way, ps I forgot to mention this. With all the gin talk and all the alien talking interventional shit, you are trending and shows Kamala the video from the I'd Rescue. The Department of Damage Control rolls up to the neighborhood mosque. Uh Oh. Agent Diver who sucks sucks walks in flanked by other agents and she wants to know about this unregistered, unknown enhanced individual who has been operating the area seen on the video that is currently
going viral on social media. Diver is like, and you know, it'd be great if I could just take a look around Nakia not yet the board, remember, but Running Running comes up and is like, you gotta warn't what's up? I know my rights, I know our rights. Where's you weren't? And Deaver tries the the you know, the traditional cop Thai. Well, you know, it's like if you don't have anything to hide kind of thing, like you know, blah blah blah.
But she does leave uh and on her way at Shacob, Dollah is like, don't forget a next time, please take off your shoes, because that's.
I love that how it's done.
Here, Kamala is in her bedroom and she cannot stop watching the video of her rescue, and I, you know, I get it.
I read a teenage It's so.
I remember when I played in jazz band in high school and we had our first concert and I had a solo and I watched that video like four hundred and that was not viral. No one else saw that was on VHS. I watched it constantly and it was this was like man that hit just watching Krmala constantly watching the video of her rescuing a young boy. Nakia comes in distraught. She's like, the the fucking do o
DC came to the mosque. They're asking about this hero that I'm calling them that she has coined the night. She's actually kind of good. It's cute. And somehow Maggia does not recognize that her good friend is the spitting image of the hero and is uh and was not around when the rescue took place, was not anywhere to be seen.
I guess it's that like they have there's that psychological thing that they talk about where it's like if you were riding the subway and you saw someone that you knew really really well, even like a family member or a friend, but they weren't supposed to be there, like you thought they were somewhere else. You might not recognize them. It's like quite likely you wouldn't, so I guess they're playing on that. But also it's just like a funny
narrative devices. But the thing, the thing that's really hard is like Nakias like understandably pissed, yeah, because it's putting the mask in their community in danger. And then Kamala's like so sad because she was absolutely gonna tell Nokia in that moment.
And it's just like it's like those you want to like shake them both and just be like be honest, to be honest, but it's so much done.
Also a very teenage thing, you know. It's like with boys, it's different because guys starting in their teenage years, when you start having like close guy friends and going on throughout your life, guys just don't Guys just don't say anything to each other. My girlfriend is.
Always staying around in silence.
I hung out with a with a good friend of mine recently. He was going through vicious breakups. I was like, I'm gonna go hang out with him, and went out and we just you know, chilled and hung out and you know, watch TV, watch movies, et cetera. And I came back and she's like, okay, so what happened? And I'm like, we didn't talk about it. She said, what's wrong with you? What is wrong with me?
Just needed some time with the bros, just needed some chilling time.
But I but I get it, is what I'm saying, Like when you're when you're a teen, it's hard to find the words.
I remember that feeling like so well, or it's like you really want to tell someone something that to you feel like it's like the end of the world, and you also wrapped up in it that honestly they probably wouldn't care. And we get a really good moment of that at the end of this scene.
Yeah, so Kamala is a little freaked out because, oh my god, the government after her. So she's a little too shaken to really take in that the information when Nakia says, hey, by the way, I won election to the mosque board. But then she warms to it and
she's like, congratulations. This wonderful moment. At the Mendi, the pre wedding Hennah celebration, Kamala listens to her mother Meniba talk about her grandmother Sanna, who of course is not around to attend of Meer's wedding, and folks are gossiping about the superhero. Who is it? Is it a person from the community. Everybody probably agrees that it's likely. You know a brown Muslim girl in the Lords of Shake. Ab Dollah Whenibe gives, is like, oh, by the way, Kamala,
I've got this box that Bruno left for you. And Kamala goes outside to open it. She Kabdulla follows her outside. He's like, why aren't you you're isolating yourself? Why not are you not with your family? Why are you not with the rest of the party. And Kamala and he have a really wonderful conversation in which he imparts quite a bit of wisdom. She's like, hey, what do you think of this new hero? Like are they good? Are
they bad? What's your read? How can this hero convince the neighborhood that she's actually a hero, that she's actually good? And Shake says, good is not a thing you are it's a thing you do, which I love.
Yes, and that is like a really big moment because that is essentially that is Kamala's with great Power wine from the comics, and it's done so well.
Here.
One of the things I absolutely love that you never really get to see on TV is like Kamala says to him, like what do you think? And he's like what do you think? And I was like, wow, this is like such a high functioning.
Adult, like, oh, he just knows he just needs to like find out where she's at.
And yeah, that and is like so powerful. I love it really good.
In the box, Kamala finds that Bruno has made her a new and comics accurate mask. I don't know how it stays on, but however, I know the genius Bruno is a genius.
It's probably some molecular shit like who knows.
Unstable molecules, as they say, and I would assume also like.
Other costumeings of a costume, because the way that this is going, I don't I just feel like I don't know how because obviously the notion of the alter ego is such a big part of superhero comics. Though I do kind of love how in Kamala's case, she gets to have friends in on it. I think that's like really powerful and something we don't get to see a lot, because like that's one of the biggest contradictions of superheroes
is all the lies. You know that it's a Peter Parker problem, Like everyone you love is in danger because you're constantly just lying to them about like being a superhero. I feel like the way they're going with this, and how brilliant her mum is at making clothes and stuff, I feel like that we're gonna have to get a version of the costume that's at least partially unintentionally designed by her mom. I don't know that would be really I'm soppy nowadays. I'm a old lady. I find that
they're movingship. I would love to see. It's so good.
It's so good. It is really this is some of the best just dramatic family writing, community writing that has happened thus far.
It's such a joy to.
Later at the corner store, Bruno's at work, and while he's at work, he's also crunching Eric Selviigg's projections, and you see actually like you see diagrams very similar to the ones that we have seen Eric pointing at Bagram. It is unhitched diagrams when he which he's explaining with with only underwear on. Bruno is looking at that and
he's also researching the Gin. Yusef comes in Kamala's dad and is like, oh, Bruno, what are you working on and then notices that he's got all these papers in Urdu and he's like, oh, I can help you with this. He because it translated. He says, oh, the Gin are supernatural beings of pre Islamic folklore. And he continues that there's legends about hidden Gin exile to our world, forever searching for a way home, and of course the way
home is the Bangle. We know now according to Eric Selvic's research, the same research again that allowed the Tesseract to open a portal in space and that started to pour in. Inter dimensional travel is possible. We know that, but like Eric with the testsa Act, you need a strong enough energy source to open that portal. And so Bruno says to Kamala, yes, you can help the clandestine return.
It is scientifically possible, but because of the power levels involved, like you could also, I don't know blow up the world like that, and Kamala is mulling over all of this for role in all of this, when Bruno also says, and by the way, because I love you, I want to tell you that I'm going to Caltech, which is all the way across the country. H And I just wanted to tell you that because I love you. And he also promises, listen, I'll help you return the gin home.
But like, there's just really no safe way to do it now, let me continue researching. Later, Muniva comes up to Kamala's room and starts tending to some of Kamala's scrapes and scratches the stuff that the kind of small injuries that she incurred rescuing the boy. Kamala, in a very roundabout and again very authentically teenage way, tries to ask about the thing that's on her mind by seeming to ask about other banal kind of family shit, and Minieba frames her answer in the context of her own
life as an immigrant in America. Knew a newcomer in America, saying, you know, we came here, we didn't know anyone. I didn't know where to turn, and I found a community in the mosque that became the locus of our life, and she insists, listen, you might feel alone right now, but you have a community. You have you don't have to face whatever it is you're dealing with alone. And of course Kamala now has a little bit of courage to face the mission to return the Gin, perhaps to
their interdimensional home. But of course first we have to deal with Amir and Taysha's wedding, and we go to the wedding use of counsel's a mirror that really touchingly ahead of the wedding. Again like this is what.
I was parenting.
I just this is like wonderful parenting in this I.
Love seeing a TV show like I feel like real life, it's really hard because parents are just humans, so like, yeah, it can be very cathartic to see terrible parents and be like yeah, but it can also be so wonderful
to just see really loving, thoughtful parents. The stuff like Manieba this episode and Useuf as well, but like especially Menieba is is so well done and so heartbreaking, and as an adult, you just want to tell Kamala, like just tell them, like you can tell them, and you can tell from the way that they are behaving and the things they are saying to her, and the honesty that they're coming to her with. She could tell them and it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch that not be reciprocated.
And you understand why because when you're a teenager something like, you're so worried about getting in trouble. You know, Kamala is terrified and of putting people in danger.
Yeah, and plus there's this whole other layer of it where you know, what did her what did her grandmother do? What her grandmother do the way that story is talking yet.
To Thelamily if the family is.
That gonna make is she gonna be a black sheep? So there's all these different cross currents of emotion happening that are keeping Kamala from just telling the truth. Uh. And but yeah, you just want to shake her to be like, just tell them they're really what are they gonna do? They're just they're fine. This this moment with Yusef Nimir is sparked because the Mirors like, man, I'm broke. I got like seven hundred dollars, which, by the way, not bad, not bad.
I told that.
I gotta say, there's it was not that long ago that I would have gone, man, I got seven hundred.
Dude, me too.
I I good.
I'm always like, look, I've been I've been the kind of broke where when you say you're broke, you literally don't have a penny in your bank. So I'm like seven hundred. I'm like, that is the start of a savings Like, you're doing well.
Absolutely, I've been the kind of broke where it's like, let me put this bill on a credit card.
Oh yeah, I mean in England they don't even let you get credit cards if you're poor, which is a good thing in the long although not good in the moment. So no, I feel you and I kind of love there's I really appreciate the way that everybody who makes this show weaves in all these moments. You know, this is something that Super Reducer Sauw Talks has talked about before.
But it's like the specificity. You begin with that specificity that feels so unique a niche to one situation, but by doing that, you explode out this huge universal experience. And this is one of those things. These two people having this conversation that feels so unique to their culture and is very much in the lead up to this wedding and it, but it hits every different version. You don't have to have gotten married, you don't need to be Muslim, you don't even need to have a good
relationship with your dad. There's just something in that fear of here's somebody I love, here's a life I want to have?
Can I do it? Yeah?
Like everyone relates to that.
That's exactly right. When storytelling is done well and truly there it doesn't matter that you're watching a story that takes place in a different cultural context than you were ready for. What you learn is that like mothers love their children, fathers want to take care of their children. Kids are a little scared but also very in love with their parents and don't want to disappoint them, And all this shit is like very very universal despite the
different cultural context. And that's what really comes through, and a lot of this stuff in it the greatest of ways. Later on, Namia goes through comminance phone and she realizes that Kamala offered to help return them to the dimension Uh, and her son didn't tell her, so she's fucking mad.
Uh went in some points love him now.
Sure, it's dangerous and it could destroy the world. And it could kill literally a lot of people, maybe everybody. But but Namia says, and I quote, we're going to make her helpless. I'm not asking anymore.
Okay, see the truth for that, old Namia.
So later after, at the after party of the wedding, we got lots of dancing, wonderful dancing, big celebration, the newly married couple is involved. Bruno gets out there and dances a little bit Kamala. After various dances, Kamala asks Bruno to dance and it's a wonderful moment. Only Camra chooses that moment to come up and be like, hey, big problem. So my mom saw your text and she's coming here with the rest of the clandestine and I'm.
Just gonna kill everyone.
I think they're gonna kill everyone. To be to be one hundred percent honest, I think they're gonna kill everybody, Like I had a crazy.
Thing to hear, absolutely terrible timing on Cameron's pop. But can't blame him. He's doing a best he can. It's just stupid, like he came there to save everyone's lives.
And also very sorry Bruno, but I gotta say, Cameron, like again, you're absolutely right big points for him, like this took a lot of this took guts to do.
Yeah, and I kind of I love, I actually love. I love the kind of reflection of what we're talking about about, like Kamala's parents are so loving and accepting, and then to also show this other side of it, where it's the struggle that Cameron has of like loving his mom but being very aware of like what she will do to get what she wants, and pitting him against that to support his friend.
I love my mom very much, an immigrant mother as well child. But I think and I mean, this is the greatest way my mom was a little closer to the nomia side of this.
I absolutely agree, I can shared experience. I would relate to that. And I just think that I think Cameron's like, I think this is a really big sacrifice, and it's obviously going to be a it's obviously gonna be like a tom point moment in that friendship.
So Kamala needs a distraction to get everybody out of here. So again the clandesn don't kill everybody. She pulls the fire alarm, gets everybody out of there. Now, there are various weddings taking place at this banquet hall. So like later on we will see a bunch of wedding parties on the lobby. They're they're you know, a beautiful perfect day kind of ruined, but also their lives saved, even though they don't know that. But it's it is very
tough stuff to watch. Kamala ends up fighting with the clandestine uh first in the back hallways and the kitchens of this banquet hall, to the tune of Muniba and Yusuf's love ballad Banjovi's Living on a prayer. Kamala alone, like without the bangal right, oh, you would absolutely have
zero shot against these centuries old interdimensional warriors. But with the bank, she is able to really instinctively hold her own, Like we see moments where various clandestine are striking out against her, hitting her, kicking her, pure swinging various weapons at her, and instinctively somehow, the the nore, the light is just armoring up that area that is being and that's almost as today, there's an armor that's a really really huge part of this the Bengal's power, and it's
really cool. Namya kills the lights and she says, listen to Kamala just like open the doorway and we can end this. Maybe it doesn't have to go any far, any further than this. The battle spills out into the banquet hall. Bruno arrives to give help, but he is no. He immediately gets like basically knocked out.
It's very sweet, but yeah, yes.
Kamala then, after seeing her friend, very specifically friend get get attacked, summons the big in hand and use it to mollywop the clinics. It's a really cool moment, bigin for those of for those out there that were worried, Oh we're not going to see the hand, the power's gonna be different. That was it.
And they'd hinted, they'd teased it before with like her catching people, but this was that big and bigger moment where and she just like you said, molly wop is the perfect word. She takes all three four of them out, and I think something else that we see here. There was a group of people in their trailer and for a long time we were theorizing who's that going to be? Is it damage control? Is it the protect The other Protectors of the universe used to have the negga bands.
Is it? People were like, is it an inhuman because they were walking through a myst you know. So I think it was quite clear as we see them walk through the door that it was that as we now know them, the clandestines. But they are after the band. So we were a bit right. We were, We were right right.
We knew that they weren't art the fact, we just didn't know they were going to go for a nineteen ninety four Alan Davis comic as this material.
I think that are If we have to look at our shooting percentage on on on predictions, I would guess that we're like, we're like a decent to above average NBA three point shooter. We're about thirty seven, thirty eight percent, maybe less than forty percent. Right, Yeah, we get a lot of things wrong, but we put shots up and we will continue to do it because it's the shots of the thumb part that's the like onn part.
I'm we're never going to be like one hundred percent right because ever at least fifty of all of our theories are just like weird shit we want to see, but it's always based on the comics. But like I have to say, though, we have we've theorized a lot of weird stuff. And we'll get into this a little bit after because we're about to at the end of the episode.
But like.
We have, we have maybe never theorized anything as weird as the Clandestine.
Again this show. Let's talk about this in the conversation after the retat, but it's definitely I was I was bowled over by the Klan.
Yeah.
Anyway, Cameron comes in and he has some real moves. Clearly he has been trained by his mom and the rest.
He's even got a weapon. He's got a weapon, a weapon.
The Clandestine corner Kamala and Bruno, who has been knocked silly. He's in concussion protocol. Nmia grabs Kamala's wrist and you know, trying to grab the bangle off of her, and this triggers a It's it's not a vision, but some sort of like a portal opening suddenly, and out of this portal is barreling an old time like steam train h and all and that that is there and then all of a sudden it disappears. Then damage control shows up
and they are firing stun blasts. They are taking the Clandestine out, and the Clandestine and Cameron are going into custody, Kamala and Bruno escape outside, Nakia learns that, oh my god, my friend Kamala is the superhero. Why can you fucking tell me what the fuck? Uh? Later at home, Muniba and Yusuf asked Kamala what the fuck is going on? Like, so did you pull?
One?
Did you pull the fire alarm? And two? What was that fight and the people that got arrested? And she's like, I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to bed now. Leopau is here. This is where I thought. Man, if this was me and this was my mom, who again is more on the Namya spectrum, I would have been getting like shoes thrown it.
Oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I would not have made it into the house.
Like absolutely, hold on, did you pull the fire alarm during your brother's wedding? And now you won't talk about it? That's a you're oh, you're gonna talk about it incorrect?
Correct, you will.
Discuss you are mistaken, you will discuss it. Kamala goes up to her bedroom and she's just lying there thinking about everything that's happened. She's I don't always point that we've seen her yet. But then Nana randomly facetimes in and is like, hey, you gotta you and your mom, you gotta come to Karaschi. You come back, come back home. Well I was like what what and she's like, did you see it? And she's like, wait what the train?
Did you see the train? Which lets you know that we are going to Karachi folks, we're probably going to crashy Now is is Aisha on the train and does she have the other bangal? I?
I don't know. I think the train so we know that that is when uh, when the when Nanny went
missing and then followed the trail of stars. So I definitely think the bangle is something to do with it, or somebody who had worn the bangle before had come to that there's something about the train that is really important to the story of who this is and the fact that Nanni's saying that Manieba needs to go to prove what we know, which is this is obviously something that at some point Meniva has been told about and didn't want to know about it and didn't want to
believe it and thought it was fantastical and perhaps like worrying rather than something real. I'm very excited to see them go together and hopefully maybe see Miniva accept like this part of her family history that she hasn't been able to and kind of, if not embrace, at least acknowledge that it's now part of Kamala's life.
Well, I mean the other part of that too, is I mean, if I'm gonna here's here's a patented X ray vision forty percent prediction, I wonder if Miniva puts on the puts on one of the Bengals. She's got it too, right, I.
Would absolutely love Oh, definitely, they all have it. It's obviously a lineage.
So I would not be shocked to see her as that healing step, you know, of coming to terms with her family history that she's been kind of ashamed of, and putting on the Bengal and becoming a hero helping her daughter.
Especially if it was in a moment of danger. Yeah, you know, the Bangle might even be called to her. Also, we can we can probably assume that we know that an actor was cast as Red Dagger, who is like another teen superhero from his marvel and if they're going to Karachi, we can probably assume they're going to meet him. Yeah, So, and I'm interested in the comics, Bruno goes to Wakanda to study and he comes back with a Wakandan friend.
I wonder if they're going to replace that with Caltech, because to do that in a you know, a six episode series not so much. And then you get it's gonna be the love quadruple between you know, Cameron, now that we know they're not related, Bruno and and Red Dagger potentially too. So who knows it's gonna be. It's gonna be exciting times for Kamala Khan. I'm very happy for her.
Okay, let's talk about the reveal that Namia and these the shadowy figures that we saw in the Miss Marvel trailer been revealed to be the Clandestine's said Clandestine's which is listen, everything that's not like Doctor Do, Magneto, kang et cetera. Is going to be kind of a deep cut at this point. But this is a wild deep cut Rosie tell us about the Clandestine.
Okay, So the Clandestine which was first introduced, it was like teased in the ninety ninety four Marvel Comics Presents one fifty eight. The team's created by Alan Davis and the Great Davis and then they had their own They went into their own series immediately called The Clandestine, in that it is literally a clan, the patriarch of whom is called Adam DestinE, which is why that character Adam was likely a knob there, though he didn't necessarily seem
like the leader of the crew. I think we can say.
That's yeah, absolutely absolute.
So this is really interesting. There's actually a lot of I was rereading the original nineteen ninety four run before this, and there's actually a lot of that kind of wonder Man stuff, Like we see versions of the heroes in the now where they're kind of sup they're superheroes, but they're also celebrities and stuff. But the the basic thing that you need to know about them that is being drawn on here is that in the comics, The Clandestine is a secret immortal family of superpowered beings who are
descended from gin Now. In one of in a rare misstep, I will say for Alan Davis, who I find to generally be quite a wonderful creator, that the issue where that is introduced is pretty problematic with its representations. It goes to the Crusades, and the representations of people of color are not great and that it's not necessarily like
a respectful take on gin Law. But I think as is the Marvel Studio's way at the moment, they're recontextualizing something to put it into a more interesting and relevant and authentic cultural space. And this speaks to another trend. We're in the art fact era, which we love, but we are definitely seeing a lot more stories about people's lineage. We saw it in shang Chi. It was really black Panther was the first one with the ancestral plane, you know.
And so I think inclusion of Dane Whitman and the attorneys, yeah, yeah,
I definitely this is very excaliburish yep. So I think Dan Whitman is a great care and this idea of lineage and legacy, and this definitely fits into that because what they've essentially done, and I think we can assume we can probably safely say that in the first episode when we saw Kamala use the bangle for the first time and fall back into that world, we can assume that's the now dimension, which is the dimension of gin probably and sort of similar to the to the ancestral
plane for Kamala. So I think it's really interesting recontextualization. It's also not it's not unheard of, though they were introduced as heroes, been times when they're antagonists, and like some people, I think at some point they've been called super villains. So it's not wild to kind of recontextualize it.
But it's very interesting to see it, especially because, as we've talked about a lot in the comics, Miss Marvel gets her powers through terror Genesis, when a terror gen bomb goes off and lots of people get powers because it you know, that's how in humans are made, and in humans are a secret superpower immortal royal lineage.
They live in the moon, which I always think is really cool. I'll just always remind everyone of that. But it's kind of hilarious to me that the creative team here, the heads of Marvel Studio, they managed to dig into the Marvel archives and find another immoral secret family with like a magical lineage. I'm like, well done. It's not,
you know, anything to not be an inhuman. So yeah, I'm very interested to see how deep this will go and whether this is a bit more of a Hawkeye situation where we were seeing a lot of Obviously, it's already a lot deeper than the hawkind name drops, because most of those were just literal name drops. But I do wonder if the history of the Clandestine or the more intricate kind of centuries old, we'll get an exploration like the Ten Rings, or if this is more of
just it's important because it's Kamala's origin. Yeah, and outside of the show we won't necessarily find out more, but it sets her up with powers that are far more in line with Monika and Carol, who we know she'll be firing alongside. And I think that's really exciting.
Uh well, I can't wait to see where this goes. Okay Obi Wan canob Be? Part six? Story by Stuart Beattie and Joby Harold and Andrew Stanton. Teleplay by Joby Harold Andrew Stanton, Whussein Emini. We open on Tattooine where Reva is on her feet. Folks, she's great, she's banged up, but listen, this is a Game seven situation and she's a gamer. She's gotta get it done and she's gonna
gritted out despite having a lightsaber shoved or guts. She has been led to Tattooin, of course, by the voice message on obi Wan's phone, and she's looking for Owen Lars. Where's he at? I'm gonna I'm gonna interrogate everybody here until I figure out where Owen Lars is at. Meanwhile, our baby rebels our fleeing Jabeam Fortestin on Roken's cruiser, Invaders flagship is in hot pursuit and on board obi Wan knows we ain't gonna make it, folks. Ship is taken, hits,
the inspirational speaker is back. We are not gonna make it. Back on Tattooine, where the sand is hot, but the draw is are two. Young Luke Skywalker is in town with Uncle Owen, precocious young man already a citizen though who has witnessed Riva's tirade in town. Comes up to Owen, is like, listen, you're in trouble. You got to get out of here. They're looking for you, inquisitors here, they're looking for you. Back on the ship, then informs Lea
that listen, I gotta go. Darth wants me. That's the thing. Darth wants me. And if I leave the ship and go off somewhere to fight him, and I'll draw him off and I promise you the Empire will stop pursuing this ship of families that are terrified, and they'll follow me and I can draw them off well, like.
They are looking for four sensitive people.
So I feel like this is not the most logical point, but I like, I didn't like the intention.
I like the intention, and I think it's a strong bet. Like, clearly he's over selling it, but I think it's a good bet.
Yeah, clearly Anakin is obsessed with everyone. We know that if he's in charge of where they go for now, they will be saying right, uh.
Even Haja is like, Ben, don't do this. But it ultimately turns out to be the right roof. Back at the Lars Moisture Firm, which I have, which I have named Casawett, so Lars tells Buru that we gotta hide because the questions are coming. We gotta get out of you. We're gonna go, I don't know, somewhere the dude's gonna be. It came somewhere, and Bruce's like, shut the fuck up, your big put your big boy boots on and gun up.
Let me get these guns out of the hole, and we're gonna fight it out here, and let me just stop and say, why are we even hiding the guns?
I know, right?
Is that fine?
Maybe keeping keeping.
Oh that's yeah, but in a in a in a hole that's at like kid level.
Maybe she was hiding because On looks at them like he's never seen a gun in his life, and Bruce's like, here, pick your favorite, this is my Like get.
A backbone, Jesus cried, tighten your belt.
She was coming out shooting like she just she that. I actually have to say that was like a It really made the inevitable spoiler deaths in the Future in the future slash bars more heartbreaking because you it's not just like, oh that he was randomly there. It's like they cared so much about him, and they they like, now I've seen.
How they're fighters.
Yeah, now I see how Buru is. I'm like, I don't think they ever that's a different body. Yeah they whatever.
Happened back at Casawett in a New Hope, I will guarantee you now after seeing this that brew has had a blaster like in her belt. Like okay Ley and Ben back on the ship, they have a heartfelt uh moment parting here with tears welling and Ben's eyes. He promises, listen, I'm gonna return. Don't worry about it. That's a long shot, let's be clear about that. But he does promise it.
Uh.
Then Ben has a private moment to himself where he tries once again to get through to Qui Gon master Qui Gon through the Force cell phone. He says, I have to face a master. Whether he dies or I do this ends today. Now stop here. Let's just put a pin in that statement. Whether he dies or I do this ends today. I love the sentiment, but I think the accuracy is a little bit off.
But we can you that's the question.
We will talk about that in all good time. Qui Gon, of course, does not appear, so Obi has to do this alone. Broken Waylay's Obi is Obi is trying to leave. He's like, come on, like, let's stay with us, Let's try and fight it out. But Obi's like, no, I can't. But you Roken, listen, you're fighting whatever it is that you have started here, keep fighting because this right here, this is the start of something. We don't know what it is, but it's the start of some It's the rebellion.
Ben. I want to see it. I want to see that. I want to see the Broken and Emphis Nest like show, like I want to see that. That's that? Please give me the early days of the Rebellion show, I would love to see it.
As expected, Vader does peel off to follow Ben, despite a little bit of persnicketyness from the Grand Inquisitor, who's like, but we're supposed to be following the ships. Surely come out risk the missions who follow one man? Can we? And uh Darth Vader is like, who.
The fuck are you? Yes? Any other time? Do I know you? What you well?
What do you think that you have some kind of pull here? Yes, we are fucking following Obi Wan Kobe and then they they steer up. If you watch the Grade Inquisitor and like the backer kind of like slightly, it's a two shot with Vader, the Great Inquistor, and he gives this like the sticks. He juts his bottom blip out like okay, but he's like, clearly not gonna say anything. Fucking force choked back at casawett On Tattooine,
Lars and Beru are like, Luke, here's what's up. Stay here, but if she goes sideways, then run, but don't run now, run later only if we lose. Uh. Luke is very courageous, of course, but absolutely too young. And let's face it, he's a ten year old boy, meaning not the he's not the sharpest out there.
Is not would like you're mad, give me a gun of guns.
Yeah, put me in the vent and let me fix something, and looks like yeah, absolutely, Actually there's small choice, and you know, like and this that rings true because ten year old boys verse ten year old girls. The girls are going to be smarter. Luke is not.
I'm just gonna have an not about.
It right now. Uh. And just then the perimeter alarms go off, and that means Revea's here back with Ben. He lands on some desolate planet. Vader follows lands in his ship and we get a big old lightsaber fight that is awesome and great master and former student are at the tops of their games. Ben's reconnection with the Force, his recommitment to his Jedi training is evident, and Darth is I think, as fast as we've ever seen live action.
Fast is the word.
For sure.
We've we've missed him like that, and live action.
We've never seen him. He's still brutal. We saw him in Rogue One be very brutal, but he was still kind of like extremely powerful and I don't want to say lumbering, but but he's.
Always had that Frankenstein In the classics, he had that Frankenstein elements. He'd been chopped up, but now we know is not actually that much of a damage, so you can just be speeding around, right.
He is liquid fast here and it is a thing to be cold. Back on Tatoen, a big old shootout has popped off. Revea is holding her own despite the gut wound, as we mentioned. But here I have to say again, inquisitors, spin tech. We talked about it previously. What is it cool? Doesn't do looks cool, doesn't do nothing. It does one thing kind of well, which is it parries blaster bolts where you don't actually have to like,
you know, maneuver your lightsaber to the blaster shot. You just have to point the spin in the put that in between you and the person shooting blasters at you, and you can just like parry everything. And absolutely maddeningly fucking Reva does not break out the spin tech. I don't know why she's getting shot at and does not break out the spinar.
So you know what I think Soul's right. Actually I didn't realize that Vedas snapped it in half.
Yeah, but wouldn't it still work if you have the one side, if you have the handle.
Sit spin right, Yeah.
It should still spin because the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels still spins it with just that.
That's true.
You know what, just the handle.
This is the real truth. We'll get to this. This is a This is one of the the many fun to pick upart like moments.
Love to do it.
It's like, it's like, how can you continue the B movie sci fi fun of Star Wars and have the narrative tropes and loopholes that are often used to allow things to happen. How do they still work in a prestige space. I think the answer is with this show's proven is like for some people it's fine, and for other people they're like, what is going on? We just like it, though, We're just like, just use the spin pag. It looks cral, but use.
The fucking spinach. That's what it's more. Back on this anonymous battle planet of Pointy Rocks, the fight continues and it is. It is crazy, it's rama. It's easily among the best lightsaber duelves we've seen in life.
Yeah, and then one of the longest they are sabering, very sab.
It's like a third of the episode they're just fighting. Vader is talking shit.
Uh.
We know that Ben's reconnection with the Force is nearly complete because he tries to drop a boulder on Darth Vader. Vader says, your strength has returned, but the weakness remains. Oh bird, big bird from Darth Vader. Vader then force splits the ground, which is in trauma, touches the ground, use the force to create a huge crack in the earth,
which swallows up Ben into a huge crater. He falls down, like fifteen feet down into this huge crater, and then Darth is like, you're done, buddy, I'm about to fucking bury you. And then he just hurls tons and tons and tons of rocks on top of ben Kenobe, talks his ship and then walks away. Now listen, I personally think, Darth Vader, you gotta finish what you start. You gotta
make sure this ben Kenobe. You didn't come all this fucking way fight with your entire inquisitor core, stab one of your inquisitors and fucking get dirty looks from the Grand Inquisitor to come, just to come all the way he and not check if Ben is dead. But I get it. There's a lot of rocks down there, and he walks away. Okay, fine, Ben.
And Anakin, Yeah, they both have this problem. Now. Is the problem truly born of the fact that they both have to survive for the original trilogy? That is part of it. But it is hard to watch them both consistently just not kill each other. At least I think you can at least like think something. I like, we'll get to it with what happens in a minute, but like, this is definitely one of those ones where it's like in my shipping head canon, I'm like, they can't kill each other because they.
Love each other.
But also I'm like, but you're both dumb.
I Lease that works, You're right for Darth. That works for me, because what do we know about Darth right from the comics, from the movies, everything else. He's you know, he's when he meditates, He's in this world of of red syth, fire and pain, with those little blue force light butterflies flying around him. And I think that this is I buy this as a manifestation of that little pin prick prick of light inside.
Yeah, he can't.
He can't do it. He's done everything that should kill Obi Wan. But when it comes to like actually cutting off his fucking head with the light series, he just can't do it right now.
I think that's because like he can he can commit like faceless genocide, but when it actually comes to like standing down one person who has harmed him, he's terrible at that. He can't do it. Those personal emotional conflict is too real.
He can't do it right now. Back on tattooy and Reva knocks out Lars, knocks out Paru, and flushes Luke from his hiding place, and Skygui Junior goes off running into the night desert back on a battle planet, fragments of memories, snippets of conversations running through Ben's mind. He ultimately focuses on a picture of Leah and his responsibilities towards her and towards Luke, and he finds the strength to free himself. Boom, the fucking rocks go flying amazing.
He easily catches up to Darth Vader, who was not in any kind of rush to get back, just a casual walk back to the show. You think he'd be like, Okay, job done, let me high tail it back to the shuttle, so maybe we can catch Broken in the rest, like maybe there's a shot we get him. But he is just like like just casually walking back, like ah, that was let me take in the air. That was wonderful. But then he feels Ben behind him and he turns
and then the fight is back. The fight is on, and it is Ben now who is getting the best of Vader. He in an amazing display of strengths for strengths, he like force throws Darth back into a boulder and then raises his hands and throws every rock in the neighborhood at Darth Vader, so many huge like rocks the side eyes of like Honda accords off legit huge fucking rocks, and and Darth is taking many of these on his bionic arms, so he's able to kind of fight through
and the duel. He fights through the rocks, and then a duel continues. Boom. We go back to Tattooing, where Riva catches up with Luke and the ravine young Skywalker falls unconscious. This gives Reva a free shot at Luke, and here it is the moment she's been waiting, where this is it? She's been Yes, she wanted to get Lea as a way to get Obi Wan, as a way to get closer to Darth Vader, as a way to kill him. But this is good enough, This is pretty good, and here it is. But she can't. She
can't do it. Of course she can't do it. She images of Order sixty six and Anakin Skywalker on that night of fear and pain, and her own fear, seeing herself now as the image of murder, which has so impact in her mind, and she just can't do it. Back on the battle planet, Ben is now beating the fucking breaks off Darth Vader, who, it must be said, I love my guid. Listen, I don't love him, but I'm intimidated and respectfully appreciative of how bad ass Darvader is.
He kind of gets his ass kicked a lot, and here he is getting his absolute butt kicked. Obi Wan is smashing the fucking chest buttons on his armor now Almo as sudden, the ragged breathing is there, and then he boom slices down on the helmet. The helmet is cut open and you could see not a purple potato head in that horrific gaze through the helmet, and you can't help but think if you've seen it, of the moment and rebels. When Ahsoka does something very similar years later,
of course, and Ben is horrified. That's this vision of what his friend has become, his friend and brother Anakin's gone, Darth says, I am what remains now. Ben's eyes filled with tears. He is, of course, weighed down by guilt and shame and the ways that he has failed his friend and brother. Now look what stands before him, and he apologizes, but Darth is like, don't know, don't apologize because you didn't do this. I am the person who killed Anakin Skywalker me Darth Vader. I killed him off.
Now.
Of course, much later in a New Hope, this is exactly what Ben will say to Darth's son Luke. He will say, Darth Vader killed your father. And this is very smart and very powerful and a really great way to underline what is one of the early like hey, wait a minute moments in Star Wars where you know where you wait a minute, and where you find out that okay, Ben knew that Darth was Luke's father, but then said that so this is one of those this is a great way to kind of.
Get the context moments that building and really.
Nicely really hit for me. So Ben has beat a ship out of Darth Vader. His he's got like cuts on his back, His back is like smoking, His helmet is all smashed up. He's fucking got an asthma attack right now because his breathing apparatus is smashed. And Ben looks at this person, who is at this point easily a mass murderer, having done numerous horrible things at the head of the Intorious Cadre. He's done. He's done a lot, a lot, a lot of bad ship in service of
the Emperor. And Ben looks at him and is like, okay, I'll see I'm gonna leave by.
Man, my friend's gone. And I'm like, your friend's gone. That means you can kill him, you know.
Man, I gotta I gotta say I get it. I do get it. At the same time, man, Ben is lucky that nobody ever found out about this shit, you.
Know what I mean?
Like, and this is this brings me back to the thing we were talking about last week with forgiveness and how do you how do you talk about characters who are given or redemp who are redeemed in the story, but also kill millions, if not billions of people. Imagine yourself as a rank and file soldier in the Rebel Alliance, right you. Your family has been oppressed and perhaps murdered by the Imperials, by Darth Vader, by the Imperial forces, by Emperor Palpatine, and you want nothing more than to
avenge them and free the galaxy. And then you find out that the Jedi has been doing Jedi shit again like that, you find out that the Jedis, while a terrible war crime has been committed against them, they're leading figures. Ben Kenobi who survived Ard sixty six and Luke even let mass murdering Sith war criminals kind of walk away. They let it happen.
It's because it's family drama. Like that, This is the problem.
It is family drama.
They're bad at.
But if you're if you're a rank and file soldier, I would be pissed. You'd be like, hold on, we lost Aldurant so that you could let Darth Vader walk away. You let me start walk away.
Can you think about how disrespectful, that is to lay up like the person you're allegedly doing all of this for. Like I understand that in this moment right like the notion is still like that is their father, and we see him kind of bring up and I understand his quandary, but also he should have just chopped off his head off.
End it for the billions who will die on all. And I get it, you know, I'm off Tart can pull the trigger. I get it. Yeah, we know, But like Darth Vader was right there, he was standing next to it, you know, like.
They were trying to get information out of Lea, who's just the too much of a real g So that never happened, like it was there all to blame.
And then also I gotta say, Ben, you're lucky nobody knows about it.
You're lucky because also then think about this, then it's not just those people, it's like the five planets that Kylo remblows up because he's by old granddaddy. I have to say I did think about Kylo a lot of this episode. I was thinking about how happy he would be if he knew that Darth Vader's helmet got smashed. I was like, oh, he would have been so happy. He'll never know then though, Emo, but he would have been so happy.
Back on tattooing, uh Ben is en route, he gets a force a warning that Luke's life is in imminent danger. This is the moment when Reava is standing above him and he arrives back on tattooing, he finds Laras and Brew anxiously calling out into the into the desert sands, Luke, Luke, Luke, and downa is breaking. Ben is like, I'm going to go run into the dune sea and look for her.
But then Reva appears and she's carrying Luke, and she says, listen, I'm sorry for all the child torture, kidnapping, the off screen but probable murders, the kidnapping, the evil stuff, the recent home invasion cunning, which, by the way, could have easily resulted in Lars and Beru's death. I'm very sorry that I had faded her home just moments ago. Plus the concussion and lifelong trauma that I likely inflicted on Luke by chasing him into the dune sea, threatening his life.
My bad. It was all part of a plan to avenge my fellow younglings and I couldn't go through with it. And then it's a weird note here where she's actually devastated that she couldn't go through with it, Like she cried like I couldn't do it.
Also like I want to know. I want to know, liked, did she the connection together that they are Anakin's kids and that's why she wanted to do it, because otherwise I'm like, I don't know. I think she knows that there's a connection.
She knows that they're important somehow, but she doesn't know how. Yeah. Uh. Then then tells Reva, don't worry about it. Uh, this just kill some more people, ChIL, you actually honored the memory of your fellow young lings by not becoming like Darth. And she says what I think is is and what I think is a very a line that really carries a lot of weight. She says, have I become like him? Now? The answer is almost, because like, you did do a lot of bed you did do a lot of bad shiit.
But but Ben is like, no, you're you did not.
In that moment, he sees he knows the right thing to say to put her on the right, which is like you have a chance here because really she was hunting down Jedi. She was hunting down young wings as an inquisitor. Luckily they're bad at it, so she probably
didn't find too many. But I do like that in that moment, Ben finally makes the right choice and he's like, it's okay, like you from now on, you know, like I would like to know what's gonna happen next with Reva, you know, I would like to see see she gives up her she gives up her inquisitorious spin Tech three thousand lightsaber, and she knows. She's like, this is Jeffrey and now here.
Again is another Here again is another Jedi bullshit moment where I'll just say it's a good thing that the rest of the Rebel Alliance never finds out that fucking Ben Kenobi let a former inquisitorious walk, because that's.
The reason they were all running away with that children.
I gotta say, if it was me, I'd be like, listen, you did the right thing, kudos to you. Hey, what's that over there? And let's just put an end to this. Remember's wife was stolen.
By the Inquisitorious and potentially turned into one like.
Can see somebody face justice just once. That's the time asking one time, can someone pay the price for the many, many, many crimes that have occurred across the gallery. That's all I'm asking.
The sad thing I think is that you raised such a good point about last week. The sad thing is when we actually look at the history of Star Wars, the people who often end up paying the price are people who they r people who were bad, who actually decided to do the right thing, and then they end up the hying tall you know, the kind of tragic like people who turn their back on the Empire. And it's like, for once, I'd just like to see a space Nazi die.
I would love to see that. But like you know, it's always you know, Admiral Radus, the both and Spies, jin Urso, the heroes of Radus, all the rest. Those are the people that pay the ultimate price, that face down evil and put their lives up, lives up and say I will pay the price or justice in the galaxy. And unfortunately it's a lot of these the very powerful figures, the Jedi, et cetera, who just they let their fellow powerful people get away with it.
Isn't that real? Isn't that it's sadly real.
It's very sadly real. Back at Fortress, Vader Darth is back in some some fresh you got some fresh armor. At the closet, he's facetiming with Palpatine, and Darth is a little hot. He's coming a little hot. He's like, we got the probes out, I'm shirt scouring the fucking gollons. We're gonna find this guy. He's not gonna escape us. We're gonna get him. And then Palpatine's like, hey, can I just ask her you good? Like you're coming in a little hot and it's not feeling.
A bit distracted from the whole, like dark side mission.
Like Goda, wonder are you? Is your closeness to this weakening you a little bit? And then Darth is like, uh, let me just assure you, Palpi, Emperor Palpatine, I serve only you. And then with just the right drizzling of iron my master, the way he puts my master on it, it's delivery. You gotta be careful with Palpatine because one of these days he's gonna pick up on it, because that in and of itself is just that hint of rebellion against him.
I also think it's a really good moment where it's like Palpatine's probably like, oh shit, like can I be used to be his master? Look at how obsessed he is with getting him And now it's like now I'm his master, Like this is probably not gonna end well for me.
Yeah. On alder On, which is, by the way, a beautiful planet. All right. All of all, we get this wonderful moment of Leah getting dressed in the classic Princess Leah soldier gear but smaller sized, tiny baby's all white, all white gear with the white cloak and the white jacket and a little leather gun holster. And she's doing her hair in the iconic leya braid buns. And then Ben arrives much to lay is to light. She thinks it's she's like talking to uh to bail and she's like,
who's this Is this gonna be cousins. He's like, not yet. And Ben gets off the ship and he brought Lola. Now I have notes, Uh, Leyah, I get it because you're ten, but you gotta fucking come clean about exactly what Lola's roll Jabim got lied Like it's a little fucked up that you're not that, You're not like, she's fine.
The Red Eye.
She'd be like, I get it because she's a kid again, but it's just a she's not like. So, by the way, the way the Empire hacked into jabim securities and it was Lola, it was fucking Lola. That's also the way they tracked this. Just you should does not mention it, uh bail bags of money or Ghana is talking to Ben and he is he is fearful of the Empire. He's like, listen, the Empire is getting bolder. They are getting stronger. They they are reaching out into the galaxy
and fucking with the internal politics of various planets. I'm scared of them. Ben is like, I get it. It is a scary time. But if you need me, you know where to find me. Then Leah is like, Ben, I think you need to go take a nap, because she's like, you are. Let me tell you, if you don't get some sleep, you're gonna look like fucking stir a.
He did not take the advice reader spoiler, take the advice.
You're gonna look super old. Yeah. So then he he tells Leah and what is a really touching a bit of dialogue here. He's like, listen, you got these different traits from your mother and father. You know your mother is discerning and your father is courageous. I would have, by the way, said that her mother also fearless, also very courageous, but that's okay. Ben, of course, does not
tell Leah here who exactly her parents are. He's like, you got all these traits from them, and so you're this perfect combination of them, and I wish I could tell you more about who they are, but I can't. And then Leah says, it's okay, you don't have to, which I gotta say. If it was me, I'd be like, motherfucker, tell me.
Just tell me who they are.
Does tell me who they are?
Was one of them? That guy that was chasing us, dressed that light say about is he gonna destroy my planet in ten years? Please give me a head?
Did you? And by the way, did you not finish him off so he can con digitulately wreck my homeworld in ten years?
And I could have told mao. Lokane could have been like, you don't need to worry about the Empire killed.
Dolf Veda and yet ps my fault, your your entire planet got waxed in ten years. Anyway, they agree to keep their friendship top secret. Back on tattooing, Ben is back in his cave. He has packed it up. He is moving somewhere deeper into the dune sea we we presume, maybe someplace where he can more easily keep an eye on Luke from Afar. He puts on some normal clothes non finally, and then he goes to Kasa wet for Uh for a meeting with Lars. And by the way,
my guy Obi wan Kenobi. This guy loves nothing better than to ride a four legged alien. This, this is like his king. He always we had alien to ride on, loves to do this. Where was he during Order sixty six riding a fucking iguana.
When wesked him? I would have loved riding a giant. Where were you?
Why did you help us? I was riding iguana? Sorry, yeah, sorry, I know.
This is one of those questions that like people like us talk about all the time, and it's one of the funniest things. It's kind of like you can talk about it with Pokemon or Flintstones, Star Wars watching off Which aliens can you ride? Which aliens are sentient right, and would be like in the Galactic Senate, and which ones do you decide you're just gonna ride? It's like it's it's the ultimate logic question of Star Wars or any of these places.
So Ben has a conversation with his brother question mark Lars, and Ben admits, Lars, you're right, Luke needs a regular for Tattooine childhood. He just needs to grow up the regular kid. He doesn't need to be hanging around. I promise to steer clear, but of course he's gonna keep a watchful eye. He knows that Lars and Beru more brew than Lars, but he knows they can handle they
keeping him safe. Then Lars in a wonderful surprise, like truly a wonderful I don't know how this I haven't fully processed how this works canonically, but this is this was a wonderful moment. He says, hey, do you want to you want to talk to Luke and Ben says yes, So he goes over. He meets the young man and
then rides off into the Duneca. On the way to the ravine across the Dune sea, he runs into Master Qui Gon freaking Finally and he's like, hey, I've been trying to reach you all this time, what're the what's up? And Qui Gon's like, yeah, but you weren't ready for it. Sorry, I've been watching all this stuff happen and you just weren't ready to hear from me yet. That's the way I roll. I'm Qui gon Jin. I've always been a little bit of a maverick, a little bit of a rogue,
and that's how I do things. I'm showing up much later than you expect. Hey, and by the way, you have a lot of things to do so and and miles to go before you sleep, so let's get to it.
And they just go off like a funny off they walk.
Together, and that is That has been the end the event finale. Will we Want Canoe? And I quite enjoyed it. I quite enjoyed your thoughts.
I thought it's very fun. I think I enjoy it like I don't feel like it, you know what, I guess, especially as we were going through the recap. The thing that I really love about this that I think they did very smartly. And hey, maybe it's a bit cynical, right, but I think it works for the most part. I liked how much context they built into the original trilogy, Like when I was thinking about it, like, here's why
Obi Wan didn't really get involved with Luke. One of the big questions we've always had, you know, that moment where he says to Bail, like you know where I'll be if you need me, and then you know him and lea kind of keeping it a secret but still having that connection. Like that stuff worked really really well
for me. I don't necessarily think I think this show started off really really strong, and I don't necessarily think that this is in the best of the best episodes from the season, but I had a really fun time watching it. I think it fell into a lot of the the Star Wars tropes of like why didn't you just do this? But that's how it's always been. That's always been those kind of pulpy this is. You're not
watching this for like a puzzle box mystery. You're watching it because you want to see Brupule out like a blaster and you want to see someone have like a ten minute long light saber fight. And I didn't know this was something that I would ever get to experience, But you want to see baby Layer choosing her own clothes, you know, get throwing away the older on garms and just like putting on her own, her own little style.
So I I just thought I was really lovely. I think it's very fan service, but I am also a fan, so I'm always.
Like you, I always just like people are like it's fan service. I'm like, I'll tell you it nine times out of ten, I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah, cool, I want to see Opyone.
And Anakin have a fight.
That's last the entire third act. I here's what I really liked about this series, and it's I think I think there's a through line here about from my perspective, in my opinion, what I think is some of the strongest Star Wars material, and it is that pre Rebel alliance into a New Hope era that was so wonderfully explored in Rebels, which again is some of the best Star Wars out there, that is absolutely incredibly executed in Rogue One, which again is probably the best Star Wars
movie and only gets better and richer the more you watch it. With time, it gets better and better, and here again we're seeing the stirrings of this nascent Rebel alliance and there's no name for it yet. It's just people who have decided enough's enough. We're going to help people, no matter what that means. If that puts us on the other side of the law, then the law is unjust, and we're gonna fight, We're gonna protect people, We're gonna
do good. It's the same thing with what I thought were some of the most interesting moments in Solo, a Star Wars story with Anatas as you mentioned, just I love that stuff so much. I think this is such a rich period of time, and seeing how I loved focusing on Obi Wan, and I think Evan McGregor, as we've said many times, just like nails it so many fucking ways. The tears in his eyes, the way everything, all of his failures come crashing down you can read
it on him is great. But like meeting Broken, meeting Sully exactly the path, seeing how all of this stuff comes together feels so rich to me, and tier word like providing that context of a family drama, a friendship drama, all these like mini conflicts within the larger firmament of this galactic rebellion that is just beginning to stir. You know, I've always that's the stuff that I really like. This is yeah, Clone Wars. Why I like Rebels and why what I loved about Obi.
Wan I would love to see, Like I would love to see a show just called the Rebellion. Doesn't need to be called Rebels. We have Rebels. Rebels is brilliant, like you said, to some of the best style definitely has one of my favorite finales of all time, which I always say, but like, I would love to see that explode more. I would love to see a show about how rebellions really begin. I would love to know more about Broken and Sully. I would love to see
Empher's nest. I love that notion of it's the ultimate question, you know, what is a terrorist? What is a freedom fighter? Like those are the questions that are at the heart of Star Wars. And I think that that we are a lot of people what we've always said, right, and they do this in the books, but a lot of fans we've always said, like we want to see new characters. Now Taiker is talking about how his that's what he's going to do with his Star Wars movie and stuff.
I would love to see the shows commit to that. I would love and we you know, the man Glorian, we got it. We get new versions, but like I want to see the people. I want to see the soldiers who have to fight. I want to see I would watch a show about the you know, Stormtroopers or the First Order Troopers or the Clone Troopers, Like I want to know about the people who have to live this, who are not the big headline is so brilliant.
Yeah, I completely agree, and that is to your point. It's a big galaxy and there's just a lot of space.
That's how you know, we're way here to see it.
Like what is Sagarira up to in these years seating Rogue one when he is you know, one of the few people to really see what the empire is?
Yeah, him, you know, you know you could have him when he was still in cahoots with the rebellion, you know, when he thought that working alongside them was right before those before those arguments you know, changed. And I think that there is an exploration in you know, in the wider genre space, Like definitely obviously things like Umbrella Academy have been doing it for a long time. Who's a hero, Who's a villain, But that seems to be coming more
to the forefront. In Marvel, we talked about it with this idea of these morally gray heroes, and that is a big thing that they're teasing with Black Adam as well, which is this notion of like who gets to choose who's a hero, who's a vigilante, who's a murderer, What is collateral damage? And I think that is going to be Star Wars would be very smart to explore that
more because they've been doing it for decades already. But we've got the time and space and the platform with Disney plus yeah, and super producer Sauce Peacemaker too, yeah, you know, and Suicide Squad. I love that Suicide Squad movie. You know. I think those stories are really right for the telling, and I think people want to have these conversations now, so Star Wars is a great place to do that, and I hope we get more of that kind of story.
I'm really excited. This is This is why I'm really excited for the and Or series, because I feel like this is more of.
That more absolutely what it's going to be.
In that early rebellion space when people of unclear moral standing come to a crossroads and just have to decide am I going to keep doing this or have I had enough? And I think that's some of the richest like ground for Star Wars stories. And I'm absolutely really excited to see it. So this was fun. I really enjoyed Obi wan Kenobi. I am legitimately surprised at how many like twists and shocks they gave us, considering we absolutely knew like the top three characters in it could not die.
Yeah, literally truly could not die.
And legitimately that like most, like most, if not all minus Reva of the Inquisitors also could not die.
Like to be honest, like to build steaks in a space where everyone knows and what happens. That's pretty cool man, that that's an achievement. I I.
I really enjoyed it, and I love being able to talk to you about it. Yeah, me too, be able to talk to have all of you who are listening listeners talk about it. Big thank you to all of you for taking this journey with us. To a big thank you, of course Rosie Night hosting this episode. Rosie, shall we plug? What are we plug?
And plug?
Plugs?
Godzilla? I think you can actually still order you can still pre order it. Godzilla Versus Battra. You can pre order it. The information is on my Instagram, which is Rosie Marx m A r X. It's coming soon. I mean it's going to be out in the first week of August, and we're gonna have some cool like event type thingies like hyping up some of our favorite shops stuff like that, so it's gonna be really good. Rosie
Marks is also my letterbox. And the last thing I'll do is, let's a plug because this is for like a billion dollar movie or so well, a very high budget movie. But I will say I was very delightfully surprised to learn when I saw Vivian Lyra Blair as Lea, I was like, I love her, like what I feel like,
I innately love her? Right, Yeah, but I didn't realize there was a reason for that, which is if you haven't watched it, Robert Rodriguez made this unreal family superhero movie that they released on Christmas Day on Netflix in twenty twenty called We Can Be Heroes and it is like incredibly pure, kind of like a Disney Channel original movie vibe, but Vivian Lyra Blair is in it, and she's like five and She plays a superhero called Guppy, who is like the kid of This is a this
is for those out there who know the the Rodriguez Kids Cannon. This is a Shark Boy and Lava Girl kind of spin off and Guppy Guppy plays this kid. But she did a lot of the stunt, So they did all these practical stunts of her flipping all these adult men, and it's like, it's so good to watch and her character is so cute. So if after watching this, you love Leah, you love Vivia and Myra Blair, you think Robert Rodriguez's kids movies are cool, Saul like Sharkway
and love a Girl, Thank you? You know, I would I definitely Kids is SPI Kids Kids, I mean iconic, I could, I mean.
Truly I Spy Kids is legitimately great shit.
There cast, So yeah, I would just say that is really fun, especially if you've got little ones or you just like cute pure things. So yeah, And I was when I found out it was her. I was so happy. I was like, oh, this all makes sense
And PS will be having some giveaways and stuff once God's will and dry