Previewing The Brazilian Grand Prix

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Hello and welcome to the WTF one podcast. I'm your host, James Coker, along with Luke Francis of the racing pilot fame. How are you, Luke? I'm very well, James. Very well. Amazing. Today we are going to be talking about a few headlines in the world of Formula One that we will be giving you. our Brazilian race preview, formerly known as the Sao Paulo Grand Prix. But before we do that, let's talk some headlines, shall we? Yeah, there's a few bits of news that's happened since Mexico.

Nothing sort of groundbreaking, no sort of Formula One earthquake moments, but a few little headlines that I think should be mentioned. First off, I'm sure everyone has seen Charles Leclerc. And Alexandra are engaged. They posted a picture on their Instagram with Leo, the dog, basically being kissed by both of them in this almost Leclerc couple sandwich.

Yeah. In terms of, and it's always hard to put a number on these things. I've seen various numbers flying around. Apparently the ring, I mean, it's a beautiful ring, is worth over 500,000. So I guess that's what a race win bonus for Charles, maybe. Sure, yeah. Something like that. But the thing for me, I guess, interesting segue to that is it's only the second F1 driver.

on the mark on the calendar, I'm sorry, on the grid itself that is married or is engaged. Right. The only other one being Nico Hulkenberg. All the others are single Pringles. Yeah, what's up with that? Don't know. I don't know. Does this have to do with the lifestyle where they're traveling so much and it's hard to maintain long-term relationships because of their lifestyle? Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a big element, I think.

You look at the drivers that would logically have partners or married partners at this time. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, Carlos is getting to that point now as well. Obviously, he's got a... girlfriend but they're not quite married yet um so yeah not sure what it is but yeah it's probably the demands of being an f1 driver and what i will say though often like a moment like this starts pressuring all of the other relationships

to also be like, they got engaged. Are we getting engaged or what? It's like a big friendship group. Everyone's putting pressure on each other. The pressure is going to be on. It's going to be like... Essentially, all of the other relationships on the F1 grid right now now have DRS. As F1 is losing it, all the relationships are getting it. Who do you think is next, then, based on that?

Just judging by vibes, I'd say like Carlos and his girlfriend, I believe her name is Rebecca Donaldson. I would say they seem like they're probably primed.

to uh get engaged next but you never know yeah i guess based on that that friendship element obviously those guys are very very close so i'm sure oh also george and carmen pressuring of course true actually there were rumors about that wasn't there i think yeah there was there were i remember last year mark weber made some comment about like your your bride to be or your future bride or something like that

Like, and some people were speculating that they had secretly gotten engaged. I could definitely see George and Kerman getting married. Definitely. Definitely. As well as that,

A little bit of other news. Williams have had a rebranding. As we know, they've been Williams Racing officially for however long. I mean, I can't even think how many decades they've been named that. And with the W logo sort of type font that we've got used to with Williams, they've switched it up. So for next season, they will be Williams F1 team, which I think only makes sense.

And also they're bringing back the original Williams logo, or it's a sort of iteration of Frank Williams' Williams logo that had the sort of... are that was at an angle um yeah i think it's a brilliant rebrand i think it's much more modern i think it's much more eye-catching perfect for the modern era of f1 and yeah another

step for williams to get back to the top i know of rebranding is a classic sort of everything's different what look at us now but i think it's a good step forward i also if they really wanted to to honor the og aesthetic they should have changed their name to williams grand prix engineering that would be quite something but uh yeah i think it's i think it's interesting i like um you know so i know they'll formally now be known as atlassian williams

F1 team. I'm not. I do like the visual element of it. The name. I'm sort of indifferent to the name change, but. Fair enough. In relation to Williams as well, but he is his own man. Jenson Button is calling it on his racing career for good. Obviously, he retired. from Formula One sort of, well, officially at the end of 2016, but then stepped in in 2017 at the Monaco Grand Prix.

But he's calling it on his racing career in full. So all professional racing. He'll do his last race weekend this weekend at the 8 Hours of Bahrain as part of the World Endurance Championship. I'm sure quite a sad week for him, but I think we can all look back and be very thankful of what he's given us, not just on the track, but also in front of camera, obviously being part of the Sky Sports F1 team.

All of his, how would you call it? Cheeky looks to camera as Danica Patrick says various things. Do you have a favorite Jensen Button memory? I've got one which... Well, from an F1 point of view, it's definitely 2011 Canada, arguably one of the best races ever going from, I think he was last.

pretty much halfway through the race he did i think five pit stops in that race and one on the last lap with a move on sebastian vettel championship leader it was insane but i found um i was at the goodwood revival a couple years back and he was there driving for the first time in a two-seater car for the first time since before he was in the formula one so 20 plus years ago, maybe even pushing 25 years ago. He did half a day or a couple hours in a old kind of souped up mini.

mini cooper just to test the track out and then jumped into an old ac cobra for the actual race and he was racing against you know these gentlemen drivers that do these sort of heritage races time and time again, and he demolished them. all of them with only a couple hours experience behind this the wheel of this mini you could just see looking at the car like he was so clued up he

I think he started a bit down the grid and was leading almost within a few laps. It was quite something. And you could just see the difference between an F1 driver and the rest, even though he was retired for quite a while at that point. Yeah. Everyone's saying since they're getting rid of DRS and Jensen Button was the first person ever to use DRS.

that they should bring him back for the last race. So he's the last person to also use DRS. I'm a big fan of that. Definitely. What's your favorite Jensen memory if you've gone? I don't really have one. I mean, I got to say, as most people listening know that I'm like a new newer fan. I do think going back to the 2009 season. And that Cinderella story with him winning the driver's championship, along with Braun winning the constructors is such an incredible story in the world of motorsport.

Probably nothing like that will ever happen again. There's a great four-part docuseries that Keanu Reeves narrates and hosts that you can watch on Disney Plus in the U.S. which is really good. So like my favorite story probably has to be that 2009 season with Braun. Yeah, it was something else. And obviously, that turned into Mercedes, who delivered so much success for Lewis Hamilton. And we'll never know. From next year, maybe they'll be the dominant force again.

Yeah, it all comes back around. And then I guess the final bit of news, I know we spoke about it in the last episode, reviewing the Mexico race, but we've had a bit of a fallout.

from the Liam Lawson incident when essentially he was stuck a lap down after having pitted basically in the first few laps of the Mexican Grand Prix. And he came across... a couple marshals running across the track and was essentially a few meters away from hitting them basically of course rightly so the world of of motorsport and f1 was in

in uproar wanting to know what happened how did it come this close some of the the videos filmed from the stands is quite terrifying really of how close it came to an incident um And the Mexico Motorsport Federation, officially known as the OMDAI Sport Mexico, came out a few days after not... sort of explaining why this happened and maybe apologising here or there, they blamed Liam Lawson. They said he did not take enough, I guess, diverting action away from the Marshals.

He didn't slow down under waved yellows, etc., etc. Right. Of course, this is farcical and, well, essentially insane to say, you know, that... There was no reason why those marshals were there in the first place. Liam Lawson was fully in his right to be at that point in the track. He'd pitted. It was clearly trying to cover up their tracks. And so the FIA came out.

pretty much a day later in support of Lawson, confirming to all of us that they stand with Lawson in this incident and saying he acted fully legally, fully accordingly. with what was a very difficult situation so um yeah we've not necessarily had a resolution of what happened and why the marshals were there i think maybe it was just a miscommunication but

Yeah, a bit of an interesting fallout to continue that story. Yeah, I don't see how in any world that could have been Liam Lawson's fault. I think a lot of people don't realize just how... In the dark, those drivers are when they're on track, like they're relying heavily on radio communications from their teams, from their race engineers.

you know they really can only see what's directly ahead of them if you watch liam lawson's on board you know they cross so last minute i understand completely that he he like wasn't even able to register what had happened until he had already passed them so to say that that was liam lawson's fault in any sense of the word is absurd in my opinion yeah it was it was crazy and obviously we hope we never see

things like that happening ever again. And maybe it's a case for the FIA to try and step in more. It'd be interesting to see who actually is in control of those situations. You'd hope the race director is in some way.

It has control over stopping marshals from going onto the track. But yeah, hopefully we'll never see that again. Let's do our race preview, shall we? We have Brazil. This weekend, the also known as the Formula One MSC Cruises Grande Premio de Sao Paulo 2025. We have a sprint weekend again, which. you know, I famously used to not be a fan of, but now that Gatorade is sponsoring these sprint races, we're pro, we're pro sprint. I'm, I'm, I am pro sprint also because.

Also because, and I've vocally been very against sprints. I think they don't add anything and I essentially don't really look at them. But we've got a championship fight. We've got eight points up for grabs. It's another chance to close the gap. We could see the championship swing again on Saturday during the sprint race. It's also supposed to rain this weekend, so it's going to be insane.

it is it is so i think um yeah all round i'm i'm happy we've got a sprint race weekend i think whenever we're in a championship fight in those sort of dying races where anything can happen moments are so important i want to see as much racing as possible and as many points on offer as possible across the weekend so No, I'm very glad to see it this weekend for sure.

Yeah. Some quick facts. Even though the race is officially referred to as the Sao Paulo Grand Prix, many refer to it as the Brazilian Grand Prix. A little bit of history. The first Brazilian Grand Prix was in 1972, but the first time the Grand Prix was officially a Formula One race was. It was at Interter Lagos from 72 to 77, then was held in Rio de Janeiro at Jacarapagua from 78 to 89.

It was then moved back to a revamp Interlagos in 1990. It's been held there since at the Autodromo Jose Carlos Pache. It is referred to by many as a top five F1 circuit. It has given us some absolutely... banger races, especially when it's in the wet. Current drivers on the grade who have won here include Max Versteppen in 19, 2023, and 2024. Lewis Hamilton in 16, 18, and 21. And our boy, Fred Flintstone, George Russell in 2022.

Uh, the entire track at pit lane was resurfaced in 2024. There will be two DRF zones, one on the main straight and one, uh, the other between turns three and four, if I'm correct. Um, We have another sprint weekend, which we already mentioned. The track is prone to rain as we have seen in the last few years. Yeah. Interlagos translating to into lake.

or in a lake essentially so yeah um so yeah rain rain is common and unpredictable um i think that's the the main thing you know we could see the race apparently will be clear blue skies and then suddenly halfway through it'll all change um chaos ensues which yeah as you say we've seen at many races and it's why i have always put it top for me interlagros is is my favorite circuit

always delivers a race that is memorable, always at the end of the season, which helps. But yeah, it's always a classic. So I'm very excited. yeah track is prone to rain nine races here have been affected by rain often um you know as we all know racing the wet is an equalizer in formula one um especially at this circuit um

It's provided some incredibly exciting races. Safety car is very common at the circuit. 15 of the last 23 Brazilian Grands Prix or Sao Paulo Grands Prix have featured a safety car. This circuit in Lagos, the race will be 71 laps, 15 terms. According to Lights Out Blog, before 2024, three of the last six Grands Prix had been won by less than five seconds prior to 2024's wet race that gave us the Alpine.

double podium which was a surprise to everybody um from the last 10 races here predator 2024 the average win margin was around 6.2 seconds The driver who started from pole position had gone on to finish on the podium at Interlagos on 27 occasions, including all of the last 10 races on the track prior to 2024.

The furthest back grid slot to score a podium finishes 20th, which happened in the 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix when Carlos Sainz finished third, having started at the back of the grid. Of course, we all know. about Max Verstappen winning here last year in 2024. He qualified 12th, started 17th.

before going on and winning the race in wet conditions, which I think just reminded everybody what an incredible, incredible talent Max Verstappen is. Oh, for sure. And I think another Max moment, arguably from his career, was 27. 2016 in his debut year for Red Bull. Joined midway through the season, won his first race, and then in Interlagos later in the season, it was chucking it down very wet.

And he sort of saw him come alive and saw him as this amazing wet weather driver. I remember the move he made on Nico Rosberg around, what would it be, turn three? Yeah. Basically taking a different wet line and everyone was looking at him like, what is he doing? But he just hooks it up so well in the wet. And I think into Lagos when it's wet is when Max is at his absolute best. Yeah. and last year was just absolutely crazy we ended up due to doing due to weather we had to do same day qualifying

which was, which we rarely ever get to see Alex album crashing, qualifying. And I believe his car wasn't ready in time for the race. Lance troll beached it on the formation lap. Like, uh, uh, Lando Norris, like, um, preempted the restart before he was actually supposed to. It was just absolute chaos. It was almost that race signified that season.

in terms of the williams had quite a lot of damage costs throughout the year and that race was definitely top of the list in terms of costs i think both cars fully wiped out at least once each um You had Lando who had been struggling with starts all season and then it gets to this and he jumps the start. And then you get Stroll who, I mean, when you think...

Beaching a formation lap, the first name that comes to mind is Lance Stroll. And then you get Max coming from 17th to win it. It sort of encapsulated the whole season to me. And yeah, unforgettable.

Let's talk about the weather forecast. What's it looking like, Luke? So it's one of the, again, it's hard to really predict. I'll say what it is now, and this is for UK audiences, 7pm on Wednesday the 5th. We are seeing a bit of rain on Friday evening, heading through the night into Saturday morning.

and then according to this is apple weather i'm don't know where all of you get your weather apps i'm sure it's a hotly contested debate but on saturday it's sort of in and out rain possibly a little bit in the afternoon but morning there's a little bit And then Sunday, it looks like there's possibly some in the early hours, but then it's all clear. That's what it is now. But there is a very high chance it can all change incredibly quickly, as we know.

the weather can change by the minute, basically. So once we look at the weather forecast by tomorrow morning, it could be completely different. It could be completely dry. It could be completely wet. So that's... I'm not... not not the best audition for brick tamland in anchorman there but um that's what it is right now what we so you know the alpine double podium last year was a

was a result that I don't think anybody could have predicted in a million years. What would be the most surprising podium for you this year? Is this a one, two, three, or just a podium finisher? Just a podium finish. We don't have to say for it. Most unlikely. If it's raining... Oh, that's a tough one.

If it's raining, I would say, well, in either case, I would say the Alpines, to be honest. I'd say a Colopinto podium would be very unexpected. You know, we've seen Sauber, Steak get a podium already. Haas with Behrman last race came pretty close. I think Alpine are the only team that, I don't know, seem almost too far. So that's what I'd say for me, but Lance Stroll I'm sure is up there as well.

That's fair. Also, we have Gabriel Bortoleto, first Brazilian to be driving at the Brazilian Grand Prix since Felipe Massa, if I'm correct. Correct. Yeah. So it's been a minute since we've had a Brazilian driver on the Formula One grid get the opportunity to drive at the home race in Brazil. I'm sure that will be exciting.

atmosphere is always electric at interlagos but i think it'll be ramped up even more that they have a homegrown driver to cheer for at the circuit as well 100 i remember um it would have been First season I started watching, actually, 2017, when Felipe Massa had his last Brazilian Grand Prix. And yeah, the passion from those fans for him. Of course, Massa, multiple race winner, came... essentially two corners away from winning the 2008 world championship at the home race at interlagos so he is

Very loved by fans, but I'm sure Bortoleta will get a brilliant reception and it'll be a very, very special weekend for him, I'm sure. Can't wait. Let's talk about the championship.

right now let's uh where is everybody in the standings currently we technically still have uh george russell i don't think has been mathematically eliminated yet not yet

It really is a three-way battle for the World Drivers' Championship. Where are we right now, Luke? So we have, as you say, three drivers with a... genuine chance of winning the championship obviously the top two are the McLarens so you've got Lando Norris following his dominant win in Mexico is now leading the championship ahead of Oscar Piastri by just One point. Yes, one point. And then Max Verstappen brings up the championship top three on 321 points, which puts him 36 behind Lando Norris.

36 points, of course, is quite a lot. I think if, let's say, Piastri was trailing Norris by 36 points at this stage, we'd all be saying the championship is over. But we know what Max has been like.

in the past five six races he's been absolutely imperious apart from mexico um and what's interesting to me is we have a chance to have to come out of brazil with the top three in the championship spread by just two points so the maximum amount of points that you can get from this weekend talking if you win the sprint you win the grand prix and you get the fastest lap that's 34 points that you can win

essentially that's up for grabs so if max does that which we know what he's like at interlagos in slightly wet conditions he's done it before um if he does the full is that a grown I don't know what a sprint race equivalent would be, but that would put him two points behind Lando Norris. He was very close to getting that in...

At COTA, the United States Grand Prix, he just did not get the fastest lap. Right. Yeah, I guess we would call it a Grand Shalem. A sprinty Grand Shalem. A sprinty Grand Shalem, exactly, yeah. And so providing McLaren just crash out in every session and score no points, we will have Lando leading the championship, Oscar behind by one point, and then Max behind Oscar.

by one point which again this is quite hypothetical probably won't happen but it's interesting to think um and so yeah we we go into this race with with the championship fully open. And every session is going to be absolutely critical for all three of those drivers. Yeah, I cannot wait. I really think with just, correct me if I'm wrong, for Grands Prix left.

on the season, we are setting ourselves up for a showdown in the season finale in Abu Dhabi. And I cannot wait. Absolutely. All I hope is, I was just going to say, I just hope While, you know, while I don't want drivers to be hurt, of course, what we don't want to see is just a massive point swing because of a crash, I think.

We've now got that one-point gap that we've been wanting for so many races, almost yearning for DNFs to bring down the gap. Now we have the gap as nothing. I think we want some proper racing wheel-to-wheel and some proper...

Proper fights. I agree. But before we give our predictions, I want to revisit one of the famous Brazilian Grands Prix, and that is the... 2003 brazilian grand prix this race was one of the most insane grand spree in formula one history let's talk about it briefly exterior day interlagos lots of rain Only 54 out of 71 laps were completed. Five safety cars, 12 cars either crashed or suffered mechanical issues. There was a big drainage problem on the circuit.

After a 15-minute delay, the race finally started behind a safety car for the first eight laps. Over the course of the race, Turn 3, which is also known as the Curva do Sol, started to cause cars to aquaplane, spin out, and crash. Lap 70, 25 claimed Montoya and Pisonia. Lap 27 claimed Schumacher. 31 claimed Joss Verstappen.

Lap 33 claimed Jensen Button. And on this day, the curve of the soul was just taking out cars left and right. On lap 45, you had Ferrari's Rubens Barrichello briefly took the lead in his home race. And after a lap or so. As Burke Barrichello was pulling away, he ran out of fuel and had to retire from the race.

Mark Webber unlocked 54, then lost control and crashed. And like an explosion at a fromagerie, there was a lot of debris. This caused another yellow flag, and the safety car came out for the fifth time. Fernando Alonso then driving for Renault. Running and P3 did not notice the yellow flags, hit one of Mark Webber's loose wheels, causing him to have a huge crash into the barriers.

This crash caused a red flag to come out, and with 75% of the race completed, the race was called early. McLaren's Kimi Räikkönen thought he had P2, but then was informed that he had won the race. The podium itself only had two drivers on it because Alonzo, who had finished P3, even though he had crashed, had been immediately transported to the hospital. But it wasn't over. A few days later.

F1 lead official Charlie Whiting had informed the FIA about a timekeeping error. And after a hearing, Jordan's Giancarlo Fisichella. was declared the winner of the race, not Kimi Raikkonen. So they, I believe a week later, a month later, did like a swapping of the trophies at the next race, which I think was Bahrain or something like that. But also, also, also the winning car of the race of Fisichella's Jordan caught fire wall in Park Fermi. So this race truly was a barn burner.

And if you ever have the opportunity to go on F1 TV and rewatch it, I highly, highly recommend it. Yeah, it was a true classic. And I feel it was one of the perfect examples with Formula One where... literally but also figuratively when it rains it pours when something

you know small goes wrong or something small happens a car drifts off a little bit of rain intensifies a safety car comes out someone messes up a pit stop then there's jumbled up grid that's causing crashes all on and on throughout the race I mean, I guess the physicalist car catching fire is maybe just a weird bit of... I don't know what you'd call that. It's definitely not relevant, but...

But yeah, I think it's a great example of when Formula 1 can be absolutely mental. And definitely not the only one in Brazil with those credentials. I find this is why I love Interlagos. You look back at all the races. And 2003 isn't, while it was an absolute barnstormer and classic race, you think of 2008, you think of 2019, you think of 2024, you know, there's so many.

brilliant Brazilian Grand Prix that it's impossible to make a proper list, in my opinion. Yeah, for sure. Let's get into predictions for this weekend, shall we?

Yes, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. We're not going to do a sprint prediction because I feel like the sprints are always hard to gauge because... kind of a different scenario but i we are going to give our prediction for the grounds grand prix i switched up my predictions last minute because of the forecast for rain i originally I originally had Piastri finishing P1, Norris finishing P2, Max Verstappen finishing P3, but I actually think the rain...

and possibly to no fault of their own is going to take out the McLarens. Like I'm not saying that Piastri and Lando are going to crash due to driver error. but I could see them getting taken out and being collateral damage due to somebody else's mistake in the wet. So I'm going to say that Max Verstappen is going to win this race because he's proven that he can do this in the wet.

and is just an absolute master both at this track, but also a master at Interlagos in the wet. I'm going to say Lewis Hamilton, who famously does fairly well in the rain, is going to finish P2. I have Ollie Bearman finishing P3. I could be wrong, but I think he was the only. No, it was Kimmy. Kimmy was the only rookie to finish.

in australia it doesn't matter anyway i'm still putting ollie bearman p3 because he's got that momentum uh it's it's definitely recency bias but i'm putting ollie bearman p3 i have george russell p4 and i have pierre gasly P5. Damn. That's asking for another 2003, essentially. And I'm here for it. My predictions are very boring compared to yours. Yeah, I certainly was a bit more conservative here. I also put Max in P1, as you say, I think.

The combination of Reign and Interlagos and Max is one of the most formidable in F1 history. But then I've got a sort of more, yeah, normal... rest of the top five so I've got Norris in P2 I think he'll continue his form from from last week I don't think the one point is enough to make him feel too much pressure and feel like the championship is his to lose as such. I think it's still his to win. Russell won there in 22 in Interlagos, so I think he'll have a strong race.

Piastri P4 again not quite as confident as we've seen him throughout the season and then Leclerc I think he's a fairly solid finisher I think what could change things which may lend into your prediction a bit more is if we see another difficult Piastri qualifying that puts him lower down the field in the melee that will be the midfield that will possibly be a wet start.

Going through the centre-esses into turn one, the last place you want to be is in that midfield. So that's certainly where he could find himself in trouble and get taken out by someone. But I'm just hoping we get... a great weekend of racing um i hope my prediction is wrong put it that way yeah i mean i'm i would you know seeing a race in the wet is great but i

in a perfect world would love to see dry conditions and be able people to be able to sort of race to the best of their abilities and not have chaos. Like. a lot of a lot of motorsport fans are like oh i love when it's chaotic and a ton of people crash like i do not wish for any um drivers to crash in a race like that does not bring me any joy but Every once in a while, it is nice to see something a little different and also see how the teams are going to go about it strategy wise, especially.

when the race like starts wet and then the track starts to dry up and they have to guess the exact right time when to switch over to slicks from the enters. Like that's super interesting strategy to me. Yeah, I think one of my favourite, I guess, weekends of weather and strategy was 2019 at Hockenheim in Germany because it was dry the whole weekend.

until basically five minutes before the race where it started raining. So the teams were not prepared at all for rain. They had no idea what it would be like, what tire to start on, how to warm up the tires in these conditions. And so if we get something like that, it would be chaotic. But I do agree with you as well. I think there's a balance. Sometimes races can be so chaotic that it's impossible to follow.

And you're sort of left just not really understanding what's going on at all. We've definitely seen races like that in the past. And also often with races like that, so much of the result ends up being luck. not necessarily ability or strategy. For sure. And then post-race penalties, you know, stewards looking into incidents, it can sometimes be too much, especially for new fans that, you know, if it's their first time watching a Grand Prix.

and they're seeing all these cars fly off the track obviously it's exciting to watch um and there's that element of danger that you're experiencing but it's not a very sustainable um entertainment factor having people fly off and not knowing what's going on at all so yeah i hope for a balance as you say bring in some rain for strategy reasons possibly a spin here and there to cause maybe a safety car to throw in more strategy calls

But either way, I think because of the championship setting, no matter what happens this weekend, it will be entertaining. And so, yeah, can't wait. Awesome. Anything else you want to talk about before we go? I'm just excited. Very excited. And first time I've been excited for a sprint race, which is refreshing. Yeah. Lots of points on the board. Y'all thank you so much for listening to the WTF one podcast.

We will be back next week with our review of the Sao Paulo Grand Prix. But until then, we hope you have a wonderful weekend and a pleasurable race viewing experience. Until then, bye-bye. Goodbye.