E8 | Finally, let's talk about AuDHD

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Hello and welcome back to WTF is Audie HD with Ellie and Paige. We're two late diagnosed sisters with autism and ADHD. We were diagnosed late. And we're here to educate. Yeah. Hi there. Today's episode, we're going to be finally climbing into Audie HD and what Audie HD is and basically the whole entire point of this podcast and what the podcast is actually called.

The podcast. The point of this podcast is our personal experiences living with ADHD, which is the combination of autism and ADHD. We've met the criteria in the DSM-5 for both autism. And also ADHD. Well, me still pending the final, the finale diagnoses, but. Yeah, actually, have you heard anything about that? No, you follow that one up, hey? Yeah, that's a bit slower. It is a bit slower. I'm going to have to follow that one up, but.

That is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy. Yeah, so basically we were just chatting off mic before this, and this is quite – this is probably one of the first episodes where I'm actually a little bit like – struggling to put my thoughts into words because there's so many thoughts I have first of all that are hard to communicate but secondly this is our experience of life since we were younger and we've only obviously recently discovered

what these contradictions actually were yeah and so i feel almost paralyzed which is kind of just a metaphor for my whole life yeah yeah this is quite an interesting topic to broach because autism and adhd as i've previously mentioned They were not able to be diagnosed together up until 2013. They deemed them. That is crazy. That is crazy. They deemed them to be completely different, mutually exclusive.

conditions that you could not have both but then in 2013 they finally added it to the dcm5 as a joint diagnosis because they realized that there were so many people overlapping um and the fact that there are people that can have both yeah

So we're coming in with very limited research on this. This is like 12 years of actual research. And again, the point of our podcast, because we want to tell our story of growing up with it and living with it and hope that it just adds to the pool of research in the atmosphere.

I think like one reason why it's like kind of easier to talk about ADHD and autism separately.

is because obviously there's just been more research on both of them for one but two because there's more content online and you relate to things you know you watch a video oh my god i do that and so we it's more seeped into our brains kind of do you know what i mean yeah yeah because you find people that experience the same things and you relate to them whereas this hasn't been spoken about as much i don't think no not at all yeah um so we're trying to be some of the first or

There are many that have gone before us, but we're trying to add to the group of people who are talking about this condition. Because we need to, because it's actually quite, in our brains, quite torturous. It is. It is.

ADHD, the term is actually not officially a diagnosis in the DSM-5. It's just you've been diagnosed with autism and you've also been diagnosed with ADHD. ADHD is almost like a colloquial term. But in saying that... or dhd is its own experience it's its own neurotype it's not necessarily someone has adhd and someone has autism it's actually a third

style of brain. Yes and this is why as well because we are talking about ADHD from the lens of ADHD like our experience our experience is actually ADHD but we're talking to ADHD and we're talking to autism.

This is why some people might not relate to this in our experiences because... They're different conditions and when they interact with each other, they manifest in... further but different behaviors yeah that don't relate to just autism or just adhd yeah this is really basically put but like say like you know we talk about how we actually are quite um we do come across sometimes quite extroverted we're really not but

someone that's you know extremely autistic might struggle to relate to that because they're not like that at all yeah so i think yeah it's you don't know what i think Cheers. There you go. That's just an example of losing your train of thought. But yeah, so we're going to actually split this topic into two episodes to begin with. There will be more, as we always say, there's always going to be more later down the track where we dive into specific traits.

This will be split into two episodes and this episode here is basically going to be more about what it is, what ADHD, sorry, what ADHD is and why it's misunderstood and why it's been misdiagnosed. And why it can be so hard to pick up. Because we have no research. But like it is quite hard to see because the two conditions kind of mask each other out. Yes. And often ADHD people and autistic people who have both end up looking neurotypical.

Yeah, it's funny. It's really weird. But then it's just all in your mind that's going chaotic. Exactly. Exactly. That wants order but is chaotic. Yeah, exactly. So Audie HD. can be really hard to spot and diagnose. Hence why I think me and you were diagnosed so late. And even then we were quite early in comparison to the generations before us. Yeah. I think there's a lot of our parents and grandparents who would have been already HD.

And we didn't know that they were. However, they may have been diagnosed with other conditions. And that's something we'll get into in this episode as well. What conditions can often be misdiagnosed for. Or like appear to be, but is actually ADHD at the end of the day. Yeah.

I think one of the biggest things, first of all, is that both conditions can have executive function issues. And that's why they can get confused to each other. Both conditions can have sensory. issues and and stuff like that but often autism may be more sensory avoiding like i've said before and adhd can be more sensory um

Yeah, and I'm such an anomaly now. Is that the word? Yeah. Not anomaly. Yeah, I think that's the other word. Well, I guess this is a contradiction that I'm getting straight into, but I am a sensory seeker, but then I am a sensory avoider. Yeah.

And it's so confusing. So confusing. And it's confusing for others as well, I think, because we look like we're really hyperactive, but then what they don't see is that we go home and we're like shut in our room for like two hours afterwards because we've been so overstimulated.

because our ADHD went out there and went crazy. And then we get home and our autism is like, what just happened? Yeah, and I think I saw someone comment, and I've seen this already, that we could look introverted slash extroverted, which we are, and the term is ambiverted. Is that right? Yeah. Ambiverted. Ambivert. Yes. Which is us. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly right. And I've always. But really I'm. Sorry. I'm definitely probably more. What do you call it?

Introvert, yeah. One of the biggest things in my life has been a really awful state of paralysis constantly, all the time. And it's been something that Paige picked up on me years ago. And always found quite frustrating to watch, right? Yeah, and deal with. Before I knew, sorry. See, this is how it's crap, though. Yeah. It's like, it's frustrating for people who experience this. And it appears in certain ways and manifests in certain... Human behavior.

Do you know what I'm saying? And really it's not their fault. Now I know it's not your fault. And I'm like, oh, there was a reason for that. But it was frustrating because I didn't know. No, yeah, exactly. I've always had issues with.

I am seeking stimulation, excitement, and novelty, and I want to do something. I want to do it. But first of all, ADHD can sometimes stop the motivation. But really, I find what's really stopping me from doing things often is... autistic people or autism craves sameness and routine and knowing what to expect so I've always had a fear of the unknown and now I know that that's actually probably related predominantly to my autism

where I don't want to step into an area that I don't know or I can't predict. And so what happens is that my ADHD wants to go do that and sometimes it wins, but then I end up suffering later. I want to go and do that, but I can't because I'm just stuck in the middle going, no, but what if, what if, no, can't do that, overthink, overthink, unpredictable, unpredictable.

And it means I end up doing nothing at all. Yeah. So she's just constantly, Ellie is just constantly in a state of paralysis. I think you're better now that we know and now that you're, you know, medicated. Yeah.

But yeah, no, you're just in a constant state of paralysis and can't make decisions. Yeah. Oh, this indecisiveness, I think, is actually a huge part of Audie HD. I think that's something that... is very common because what's happening is you've essentially got two different brains in one and so you've got one side of your brain saying don't do that do this and then the other side's going nah don't do that do this

And then you just end up doing nothing because you become so overwhelmed, so overstimulated that it's easier to just go and have a nap. Yeah, it's literally two little things on your shoulders like in a movie. It's like the angel devil. Angel devil. It's like... it's like this fight in your brain and you can't control it and it's really frustrating and it causes a lot of anxiety and overwhelm and yeah and then people feel like well i felt like i wasn't ever achieving anything

in life because you know what i mean yeah yeah it's like hard to get ahead when you're like it's like like a yo-yo yeah i feel like i'm just never moving really i'm just sidestepping kind of yeah i want this no i don't wait

three weeks ago I felt like doing this and now now I don't want to do this at all and I want to do the complete opposite of what I said three weeks ago yeah I think that's probably also to do with my hormones interacting too that's a whole other this is another thing is like I mean I don't know the science but I know that

women obviously go through a lot of hormonal fluctuations throughout the month. Yeah. And so ADHD is really hard with the menstrual cycle, man. Yeah, it is. We've struggled a lot with that. And before knowing what it was. Like, man, it was really hard. Just, yeah, one thing I'll just add to that is the one thing that I really struggle with and gets really bad with my hormones is I seek.

I love routine. I want order. I want routine. I want everything clean. I thrive off that. And I'll manage to stick to a routine that I'll implement for like a week. And I'm like, oh my God, this is amazing. I can stick to this and I'm thriving. something happens and i now in hindsight i'm like maybe it was a big estrogen drop yeah you know like now that i know how that affects women with adhd and autism like pmdd which is the yeah talked about that in the last episode

oh whenever that was two episodes go um now i'm like looking back and going that must be when i had a huge estrogen drop and then i lose all routine all the orders gone and it's just chaos yeah and i beat myself up i'm like why can't you stick to a routine why can't you stick to anything like

And the cycle continues. The cycle continues. It's been my life. And the self-hate chat just keeps coming. Yeah, me too. I'm similar but almost the opposite where I actually struggle to set up the systems in the first place. So I'm craving. some order and routine and I just want everything to be predictable and I want to know what to do and how to do it and why but my ADHD messiness can't even put those structures into place so I constantly feel overwhelmed.

annoyed at myself and just frustrated that i can't get anything done because i can't make a routine and even if i did i can't stick to it yeah but i need it yeah so it's this horrible thing and that's why sometimes for me going into a full-time job and being forced into an office

is good for me because it provides structure and it makes me just do things. But on the other hand, I then get completely overwhelmed. I can't stick with it and my mental health suffers again. Yeah. And then if I'm working from home and I've got my own... flexibility to like have my own routine and structure I then struggle to keep motivated and so it's just this constant this constant yo-yo of torture

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to be honest. Yeah. I want to be working from home so I can predict my environment and feel safe and do what I want to do when I want to do it. But then my ADHD gets distracted and seeks novelty. And so then I go into an office and try and meet the external expectations. And then I get completely overwhelmed and end up having really poor mental health because my autism can't deal with it. Yeah.

So that's been like my whole life. I'm never happy. Like I'm, that sounds grim. Yeah. The grass is always greener, but yeah, the grass is always green. It always feels that way. It's like, no, right now, this is bad. I should be doing that over there. Then I'll change my, my. environment and i hate that because i've actually missed that element it's so confusing it's so confusing and torturous in your brain it really is

um and no one and someone that doesn't get it and will hear this just won't get it that's most frustrating as well talking about how it's like just invisible and if you haven't experienced it you don't understand and so like i just feel like when we talk about this out loud

The people that will get it will get it and resonate with us hard. But some people that see this will just be like, oh, you know, it just sounds like an excuse. And that's what's so frustrating. Yeah. Because we're not lazy. We're not all the labels that we're called. We have a literal physiological.

like battle going on in our brains that we're trying to keep under control and it's just really hard yeah like one of the two things one of the things that overlaps in both is executive function issues and that's like task management task initiation planning

short-term memory and all that kind of stuff. Both ADHD and autism have these things. ADHD is more about not being able to execute that, like execute the task and like... plan it together whereas autism is more about a complete overwhelm with too much coming at you at once so then we've got both happening so our executive function has like a double whammy of not being able to work properly and it's very confusing um

This is another reason why I think historically, because you couldn't diagnose ADHD, it was only ever autism or ADHD, you were first of all diagnosed with the one that you had the most symptoms of. So it was like predominantly you're autistic. And so you'd be autistic or ADHD. But I believe that a lot of, and some research backs this up, a lot of people in the past and still to this day are being misdiagnosed with stuff. So I, there are two.

conditions in particular that I believe often are misdiagnosed. The first one is bipolar disorder. It's still a legit, it's a legit diagnosis and it exists. However, this is how ADHD could look like bipolar disorder.

You've got... four weeks where you're just manic and you're driven by ADHD novelty you're hyper fixated on something you found something you're passionate about you're hyper fixated on it woohoo yeah yay let's go let's go so it can look like mania it can look like mania and just intense not sleeping I don't really like working on a project. So that's your ADHD. That's me. Yeah, totally. Chasing, chasing, chasing. After that.

x amount of time however it lasts however long it lasts because that's only sustainable for so long exactly because you don't eat properly you don't eat properly yeah none of your self-care is happening in those four weeks or three weeks whatever it is then

you end up in complete burnout straight afterwards and depression, which then looks like hiding in your room, not talking to anyone. That's often the autism as well being burnt out and your body just being exhausted and going, oh, I don't, I don't. want anything now I'm too overstimulated yeah and then you withdraw for four weeks yeah so that could look like bipolar yeah for sure they're not saying they're completely identical

but I think that they do get misdiagnosed. And so if you have been diagnosed with bipolar, it could be legit, you know, legit diagnosis. But also maybe it wasn't. And that's if, yeah, and that's if you're ADHD and autism. Autistic symptoms are really overt, whereas someone like you, Ellie, yours are very internal, and therefore I do think there's either like people, or actually people getting misdiagnosed with bipolar, as you say, or...

People who don't show it outwardly and are in the state of paralysis where they don't ever get picked up because it's not showing outwardly. No, you actually almost appear neurotypical because it's so internal. So I've always just got away with looking completely. normal yeah because i didn't really look autistic i didn't really look adhd because both were hiding each other look and quotation marks yeah yeah that was all in my brain so i was missed

So, for example, like my ADHD in a social situation novelty seeks and gets dopamine from like connecting with people or making people laugh. Or there's lots of different things I can do in social situations that's from my ADHD that makes me appear like an... extrovert but really that's just completely hiding my autism and therefore you get missed yeah that's very common i think people with adhd oh sorry or dhd um both conditions can mask each other

Also, there's certain things that look like they overlap. Like I was talking about the executive function before. They both, both ADHD and autism have that issue, but they are different causes and why? Another thing is like people can confuse stimming. with hyperactivity in physical behavior. So like I will always be, as I've spoken before, I like rub my forehead, sniff my fingers. That's stimming. That's a self-regulatory behavior where I'm trying to calm my nervous system down. But then also.

Playing with my hair, I'm also, the texture of my hair is soothing me. But on the other hand, this is also a hyperactive move I'm doing. So it's actually both, but they look the same. What other hand? What? No, you said on the other hand, I'm just making a really dry joke. Where's your other hand? Oh my God, let's cut that out. We're keeping it. But yeah, on the other side of it, this is actually a hyperactivity behavior that I would do in like class.

to keep my concentration on. So often people with ADHD concentrate better when their brain's being stimulated elsewhere. In some other way. E.g. listening to music or playing with a ball. They've actually done research on this.

Guy Williams, who's a comedian in New Zealand, him and his sister are both ADHD. They just did a doco about this. And as soon as they were playing with something, their brain function actually improved because they could listen more and take more info in because their brain was being... Yeah, distracted by something else. So for me, me playing with my hair is actually both a stimming behavior and also hyperactivity behavior. And that's why they can look the same. Yeah, mine's blasting music.

Yeah. That you really love. Yeah. And I grew up with that. It's very nice. Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. So yeah, the other thing that people often misdiagnose ADHD for is borderline personality disorder. And borderline personality disorder, I don't know a huge amount about it. I've not done a huge amount of research on it, but it's basically affiliated to extreme moods and a lack of emotional regulation. Those are two just small factors of it.

But they often then also get misdiagnosed with BPD when it may actually just be ADHD because both ADHD, ADHD and autism. Both have issues regulating emotions. And obviously not always the case, but definitely this is true. We've seen so many comments. Have you seen so many comments about people saying this? Like, yeah, it was diagnosed with BPD.

at 21 blah blah blah got to 40 years old and have now been diagnosed with ADHD yeah and it's just like ah yeah if you're listening and you've been diagnosed with bipolar or uh borderline personality disorder and you've had this gut feeling that it's actually not the right diagnosis, maybe consider looking into autism and ADHD or ADHD because it could be that. And because we didn't have this label up until 12 years ago.

it's hugely likely that so many people have been misdiagnosed with that because there was no other criteria fit, but it kind of went, oh yeah, that's kind of bipolar.

We'll just diagnose them with that. Again, we're not dismissing those diagnoses, though. They do exist. Wow. Stop it. Mental health is also a thing that really gets impacted, I believe, by the experience of ADHD. One, because it's a lonely experience. and like it's very young research once again but secondly because the two are so contradictory the two conditions they feel contradictory uh it can cause really poor mental health and in a turmoil and in a battling

In the next episode, we will talk about the contradictions of these two conditions, but we want to save that for its own episode because that's actually quite an interesting conversation on its own. But mental health issues, as we've spoken about before, can rise up. due to a simmering.

undiagnosed or dhd brain yeah the anxiety and depression like the burnout can look like depression and it feels like depression and the anxiety comes from not being able to initiate tasks and finish tasks when you need to and the procrastination and the stress that comes from that And feeling overwhelmed. And yeah, the depression I had in my 20s was definitely burnout. And I think it was my, I believe when I was younger, my ADHD.

was possibly more overt than my autism. When I say those two things, I mean the traits and my behaviors. I think I've appeared more ADHD, but even then compared to you, I didn't. But I think my ADHD... really overpowered me in my youth and so I was able to go out and drink alcohol and have fun and novelty seek and seek dopamine through relationships and people and blah blah blah as I'm getting older and also discovering what it is my autism is

so much more predominant now yes oh my god i feel that so hard yeah and i actually think maybe i am more autistic in general but societally to fit in i masked that so much through my adhd that now i'm really just my true self and i never felt like it could be this is the thing yeah you start to unmask because you realize what it is and then yeah yeah i think the lonely are you right yeah no i'm just i'm just thinking yeah

yeah um the loneliness for me i actually talked about this in the last year the loneliness side and the anxiety side for me around like friendships as i already mentioned it but my adhd wants to do lots of fun things with friends and go out for brunches and do this and go for hikes and woo like with people because I do yearn for that but the other obviously brain my autistic side or my introverted brain again finds it extremely overwhelming.

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So that's kind of that, I think, because when I say that I yearn for connection, but struggle in social situations, someone that's just. autistic and extremely introverted might not relate to that because they're like well what do you mean i love being on my own at all times and i would be fine if i was the last human on earth yeah but that's where mine comes in yeah it's like wanting that so much but they're not

Being able to do it. Being able to do it. Yeah. And just being in this really sad place. Yeah, totally. I was able to do it. This is kind of probably the difference between us. When I was younger, I was able to do that quite well and almost too well. Like I've perfected people and social skills to a scary degree. And the cost that that's now had for me is.

absolute burnout and not actually having the connections that i might have looked like i had yeah like it's actually been quite a lonely place for me too it just wasn't as obvious well yeah and also you the you it kind of appears to some people

that you're not a bad friend, but like you've fallen off the wagon and it's like, oh, she's clearly not my friend anymore. And it's like, that's actually not the case. No. I love friends who I can go five years without saying and know that they're still there and that I'm still there for them and I love them and vice versa.

But nothing changes. But I think some people, you know, have different standards of friendships and that's totally fair. So people sometimes just assume that, oh, we're not, we mustn't be, you know. And then you find out the hard way by saying that they're having their baby shower or something and not being invited. Yeah. And then you're like, oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. And that's a lonely place too. Exactly.

Because I always feel that all my friends are just as close to me as they always were. Yeah. No matter how much time went by. Yeah. But obviously other people don't feel that because it's time invested. And that's so fair. Like I actually am so patient with that. But there have been friends in the past where I would have thought that I might be invited to something.

Because I would have invited them to mine. Yeah. Whatever it might be. Like it might be a wedding or it might be a baby shower, like you say. But I then have this like really horrible like taste of reality where I'm like, well.

yeah i guess not i guess i haven't spoken to them for a while and yep fair enough like but it's still really lonely because i think we have a different menu i'll speak for our yeah we have a different language of friendship yeah um so that's a real tough place yeah and the anxieties around friendships yeah because also with adhd and autism i don't fully relate to this is a generalization but i don't fully relate to someone who's just autistic

And I don't relate to someone who is just ADHD because I actually find people who are just ADHD sometimes can be too much for me. This is in quotation marks. Like too overwhelming. Yeah, just full on and like. love them to it I love people who have ADHD and I just yeah I want to kiss and hug them however in terms of actually maintaining a friendship with them I struggle with that because there's actually half of me

that wants the opposite. But then in terms of someone who might only be autistic, again, I don't fully relate to them because I'm probably too full on for them. It's so confusing. So I need to find people who have both autism and ADHD, but we're yet to discover.

many of these people yeah we don't actually know who has it because it's not being diagnosed and it's not being talked about enough hence why we're doing this podcast i know i know there's been like a few people that me and you like we've met in the past and we're like oh my god I love that person oh my god they're just so cool like we just flick and then we've like later found out that they're also ADHD and we're like

oh my god like it's literally just like an understanding without saying anything you're like god i love this person yeah and then it comes up later and you're like yeah that really checks out for that one yeah that tracks yes so like we can kind of pick them Yeah, we can. A lot of my friends and even my partner, Sam, he was diagnosed with ADHD after I was because I looked at him and went, hold on a minute. What the bloody hell's going on here? And he's ADHD.

And so many of my closest friends have been like diagnosed with ADHD. Yeah. And I'm like, ah, that's right. They're my best friend. That's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, even just the friendships can be hard because again, I'm so, we can appear really hot and cold. Like one minute I'm like full on into this like friendship and I obsess over it. And then like three weeks later, I haven't talked to them.

And I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. I haven't talked to them for like three weeks. Object permanence, like you like out of sight, out of mind kind of, but like you love them. Exactly. But that's why it probably looks like I don't like them anymore. But then it's not true. I know. It's sad. It's really hard.

And often even in social situations, I'd go to a party and I'd meet someone and I'm very, I'm very personable and I'm good. And I like talking and I enjoy actually learning about people because I'm actually, my special interest is actually people. Human behavior. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And that's, I think why another reason I've.

worked out how to like fit in because i've studied people my whole life and also you went to uni and studied psychology which kind of just says that you just yeah yeah so when i'm talking to people and i'm asking lots of questions about them i'm genuinely interested

And I am kind of info-seeking and learning about them. But sometimes people take that as, oh, my gosh, this person really cares about me. Ellie really cares about me. We should catch up and hang out. And then I absolutely freak the F out. Oh, my God, yeah. Because I'm like, oh, my gosh. I really like them too. And I do, but I almost give off a false sense of like closeness to people initially because I'm genuinely just interested in them. And then.

i then later freak out because i don't actually want that close connection or it's too much for me and it's really scary no yes oh my god i relate why i'm not as like you know but yeah no i get that though yeah yeah it's a real contradiction because in the moment my my adhd and my

interest is really into that person and then later on I'm like oh my god and they might text me and say we should get coffee and I'm like that's really nice and like I really would love to but that sounds like a nightmare yeah not because of you as a person but because of the situation as a whole

And so again, it's so confusing for me internally and for us to then explain to people. Because people don't get it. If you don't get it and you don't experience it, it's so hard to explain. So hard to explain, yeah. So that's kind of like a...

basic episode on like what audhd is again and we did touch on a few contradictions but we did that'll be the next episode um but it's a new a unique experience it's a neurotype we've only really just discovered 12 years ago so keep listening and also share your experiences with us because we're trying to add to the pool of research here by just sharing our story uh because there's a lack of research out there yeah 12 years ago so in 2018 right what i'm trying to make the gag that like

Far out. I can't believe 2013 was 12 years ago. That's crazy. You know? I think about like, oh, yeah, a couple years ago it was 2020. Yeah, I know. Oh, my gosh. No. No. But, yeah, so if you just keep – Give us info. If you are ADHD or you suspect it, you know, comment on our videos on social or we've got our Google form you can fill out in our link tree to ask questions or even just tell us about yourself. Yeah. We're really kind of trying to gather info here to see like.

What is the ADHD experience? Like who relates to it and how does it really manifest differently from ADHD and just autism? A couple of creators that could be cool for you to follow. I've mentioned her before, but Ellie Middleton, she's an ADHD. creator she has a book called unmasked and then she's just released another book called how to be you i think it's what it's called um they're quite good resources there's also a couple of ted talks done by a doctor called

Karam Sadiq, I hope I'm saying his name correctly. He is an ADHD psychiatrist, psychologist, and he's got quite a few TED Talks online about ADHD and the experience. He calls it order versus anarchy. which is exactly what it is fantastic yeah it's all you want order but it's anarchy inside your brain that is such a good way to explain it so if you ever want to um get more info about that then

He is a great, he's got quite a few TED Talks online. I think he's got a book as well you could look into. And Sam D. Sam on YouTube, she is a creator who is late diagnosed or ADHD. She's got quite a few cool videos you can watch. A few of hers are what I kind of watched in my very early days of thinking I could be autistic. But yeah, thank you for listening to this air, but hopefully it's been.

interesting it's more just been about our experience and what audio hd kind of is but sometimes people you know because there hasn't been much research on this like the audio hd like our experiences kind of are how people got to learn these days but like to start with yeah well i to get the conversation going on to get more research because i feel like yeah yeah i only figured all this out from other creators talking about it um and also

sometimes people who have adhd and then get medicated for it it then shows your autism that's what happened to me oh my god it's like the video and it's got like um james franco and at the end and the main character he's like

It's like this guy walking across the street and it's like, get my ADHD diagnosis, but something doesn't quite add up. And then he turns around and James Franco's like smiling and then it's got like autism. And it's so true. It's like something doesn't quite fit in this puzzle and what is it? And then you figure out.

Oh, my God. Autism. It's the missing piece. Like, everything makes sense now. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it definitely happened to me. I definitely noticed that I could be autistic after being medicated and treated for ADHD. So keep listening. Thank you for being here.

Give us a rating on your podcast app if you're enjoying this. Let us know what you would like us to talk about. And next episode, we'll talk more about ADHD and the contradictions of the two conditions and why it can be so hard to deal with, live with, and explain to people. It's so hard. It's really hard. It's really hard. Yeah. But thank you once again. We'll see you next episode. Thank you, guys. Bye. Bye now. Bye now.

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