#217 Jason Flom with Kevin Dykes

turned to petty drug dealing in Compton, California. Fast forward to six After a terrible assault that led to a four month hospital stint, Kevin continued peddling drugs from his temporary wheelchair for two men named Slim and Hondo. Kevin rented a bed in a trailer home in his landlord's driveway, where Slim and Hondo occasionally hit weapons. That June, two incidents occurred just days apart, resulting in one murder and

two attempted murders. The first during a party when Kevin booted his friend from for being belligerently drunk, Slim and Hondo folowy from stabbing him several times. A neighborhood mother, Mrs Bradley, came to eat from the aid, only to gets dabbed as well. Kevin intervened jumping from his wheelchair to stop the assault before it turned fatal. A few days later, Slim and Hondo accused Kevin's friend Otis Perry of stealing their gun from Kevin's trailer home, stabbing him

eighty one times. Unable to stop the murderous frenzy and fearing for his own life, Kevin helped them clean up before going to the police a few hours later. A few days after that, Kevin was arrested for cocaine possession and put into a special holding tank for state's witnesses. Then three jailhouse snitches claimed that Kevin had confessed to all three attacks in exchange for leniency in their own cases. Kevin Dike's is serving life in prison on the word

of three notorious jailhouse snitches. This is wrongful conviction with Jason Flam This is Global till Link. You have a prepaid call from and inmate at the California State Prison, Los Angeles County, Lancaster, California. Let's call and to our telephone number will be monitored and recorded. To accept this call, stay or dial five now. Thank you for using Global till Link. Welcome back to run for conviction with Jason

Flam Today. We have an incredible story, so we're gonna get right into it, and I'm gonna introduce you first to Stephen kay Howser. He's a criminal defense attorney representing the star of this episode, Kevin Dyke. Stephen, Welcome to ronfle Conviction. Thank you glad to be here. And Kevin Dykes is on the phone with us from prison, and I hope we'll be able to do something about his situation because it is awful. Kevin. I'm sorry you're here um or where you are, but I'm happy you're here

with us today. So thank you for being here. Thank you for the avatory. This case goes back to Compton, and it's got It's got so much that you'll think I'm talking about a movie script that would be too much to be believed, except for it's real. It's got gangster's name Hondo and Slim. It's got drugs, it's got snitches that ended up on sixty minutes. It's got laws that changed, and and victims who testified that this was

not the guy who did it. It's got a guy who's in prison for three and a half decades with no evidence against him except the testimony of jail house snitches who have recanted their testimony. It is nuts, but it's true. So let's get right into it. And Kevin, let's start with you going back to your youth, because you grew up in Compton, right, Yes, I go up at home in the water sports. I actually had a real good of them until I, uh, I think you're actually say, I end up at my best friend work

for abolistine mand father and I will sit away. And for those of you who don't know why a or see why I used the California US Authority, as I understand it, your friend's death was entirely accidental, just two kids who made a big mistake playing with a gun. But they still sent you away to juvie for involuntary manslaughter. And I also understand that you harbor a lot of

guilt about this, even though the family forgave you. Yes, this family, they stayed directly across the street from my family, even to the day, still feeling the same three although the family has given me written me letters will come and see me. When I got out, I saw what I did to that family, and I didn't know how to process. Although my mother and my father and my grandmother and all kinds of people will finally help me.

I didn't know how to ask for their help that I actually need, so I got secrets as little digreen to the game. So so the guilt kind of derailed your potential, it seems. And after Juvie, you start dealing drugs and looking outside of what seemed like a supportive home for whatever it was that you felt you needed, acceptance, identity, whatever, out in the street. So fast forward to Janu some other really bad stuff happens. January. We try to chee them in the front of my house. I followed them.

They ran me through a brick wall, and they broke my ear to smash my films. So I wanted to hospital. January. When I got in the hospital, I was in a wheelch here and I had a walk and I was going to a therapy. Yes, someone tried to kidnap Kevin. So you fought them off, and they ended up hitting you with their car against a brick wall, broke your hips, snapped your pelvis, and put you in the hospital for four months. I mean, you're lucky to even be alive.

And we haven't even gotten to the part that has you locked up right now. Okay, so it's may. You're temporarily in this wheelchair doing physical therapy and dealing drugs for these two mid level management drug dealers named Slim and Hondo. Slim and Hondo decided that they were going to take over the local drug sales. I believe they helped Kevin and some of his friends with small amounts

of cocaine to sell in the neighborhood. And they would periodically show up and I guess resupply the local sellers, including Kevin and Kevin. You were renting a place to stay from a man named Mr. Bryce. You were renting a bed in this mobile home that sat in his driveway, right, Yes, I was. We had a mobile overhead like six days, you know, a shower and all that stuff inside. It was talking the driveway. Sometimes. My friends to stay had like six places fleeing in so all this come in

sleeping here. And Otis is Otis Perry who occasionally stayed at Mr Bryce's mobile home, and he's the one that was eventually stabbed like slimon Hondo for taking the gun that they had left in the trailer the night that these two attempted murders occurred outside a party at Mr Bryce's house. Yes, my cousin and famil was inside the mobile hole. I was inside the house where the party was, saying when the fighting? When the fight after? So I didn't know without doing at the time SI pulls up.

They knew with the price didn't allow goes in his house. What do you here to go on in the mobile hole with my cousin. But actually didn't know that about that at that time. Okay, so now the stage is finally set for these crimes to take place. This is we're talking June. There's a little party going on at Mr Bryce's. Your friend Otis and your cousin Pam are

in the mobile home in the driveway. Slim and Hondo, your bosses come to hang out, but out of respect for Mr Bryce, they leave their gun in the mobile home. Then your friend is at the party and he is drunk, to say the least. Well in my older homeboy, he

was being pliterate and uh messal with the females. I was up in their grabbing drinks that didn't belong to him, and I saw man go down to the pool man keep that I got and he kept on so I got piste off and I hate him Wance and when I hated him hand slim both of them attacks because of them my here's what they said. He said. I didn't understand why did they get involved in there? Here's what they said, because I should barely walk. They were

people were taking advantage of my disability. Okay, so your drug bosses are sticking up for you, but then they go way beyond what you would ever want them to do. Yes, So once I start from both of them attacking, I got them to stop. Told he fromly. He left and then they staying down the street. They called him at the end of the corner. Once I got down there, I saw that they was actually stabbing. When I Hanzo leaving alone, Hondo, he looked up and saw me. But

when he saw me, he saw him. This Bradley behind me was Bradley is my older homes mother. When she looked up and saw that it was her son, she tried to turn it around. He ran her down, grabbed her by her dressed and saw a stabbing. I hopped my way to him and grabbed him to seat him off of her. And once I was holding him, she got loose. This day from time to get up, and then I got to rist them to geeted to the car and drove him off. I drove off to a motive and then I came back to Czechos from him,

Miss Bradley. But the hammer has already when it was in the hospital. So you basically saved Mrs Bradley and I from from being murdered by Slim and Hondo by convincing them to stop stabbing them and drive away from the scene. But this incident on June nine is what becomes two charges of attempted murder that gets stuck on you. The guy confined to a wheelchair at the time. Um, yeah, okay, So Slim and Hondo stabbed both from and Mrs Bradley.

You drove them to a motel. At some point, your friend Otis back at the mobile home, takes the guns Slim and Hondo had left behind. Not too smart, by the way, because Slim and Hondo knew who was in the mobile home when they stashed it in the first place. So they come looking for Otis on June over looking for Otis like, well, something in the morning, they should come outside. I'm going to go to your OLiS. I

didn't know oasis out here in the motor hole. So when I went out to the front yard, Jordan the motor open, older step out Hanold's catched otis get me in with my guy. He said, we can go get it. He said too late, and then at catching they started fighting. As the fighting back. When they were fighting from the side of the mover hole, he went around the garage and that was the first time I saw him being

stand and I came back from around there. I wasn't nable the one or whatever from get to say nothing and the listening to everything that was going on, and I don't know how the must time pass, but James Hanold's care from around there and with no more noise, I was wondering, okay, now what you said? Uh wolls up?

You got so recue And I gave him my blanket so he must sit with behind the day and wrapped him up, drugg him out and put him in the car and instead of him a slim boys, he said, you said, you stay here and watch that all the bood that was coming from behind the move hole and show me to get in the car and ride with him. So I took knowing through my awways neighborhood by the canel, and that's where he jumped in, and I feel if

I'll be back, I left it the same day. And what would you tell anyone listening now who's wondering why you played any part in getting rid of the body with Slimming Hondo? I did with any reasonable person, not finding that I would have done hadn't seen what I saw. I knew I gotta do something that made myself a partner what's going on. And I wasn't asically be able

to do nothing to prevent myself from being killed. And I, like Spist said, that was the smartest thing that I toil done at the time for myself instead of doing nothing. If you had done nothing at all, what do you think Slimming Hondo would have done? I was a little bit too afraid to find out. I was in a position where something happened to my friend and Ros, and I need what I'm probable the best thing to do for myself now. This episode is underwritten by Paul Weiss Rifkin,

Wharton and Garrison, a leading international law firm. Paul Weiss has long had an unwavering commitment to providing impactful pro bono legal assistance to the most vulnerable members of our society and in support of the public interest, including extensive work in the criminal justice area. Otis is murder eventually gets pinned on you, the guy who was only able to watch or listen helplessly as your friend got stabbed at dead. And then, in order to save your own life,

you did would probably of us would have done. You played along with Slim and Hondo until you could get away. I would not want to have been in your shoes at that point. You just lost your brand odors. You had to contend with the question of to snitch or not to snitche on like a Sophie's choice on these

two murderous drug dealers. And that's when I was trying to process whatever it just happened to the show six study Semifock in the morning, That's when I saw the poet and I told that h think I know where that was what always says, come over here and look like blanking. I knew it was. I said, I know where it is attle mother's house. And then when we came back and see I asked my fail if I had any information two contract and he gave me his car.

I took the car road mouths two whiles and I went to the phone boof and then I called the post. You look, and I told everything the thing needs to know and told a while was that they came and kicked me up, took me out to the station, and I mean, maybe did let me go back home? So you made a statement to a sergeant, Sergeant Preston, and you're gonna be a witness. And Steve, maybe you can tell us about the next part of the story, which

is how Kevin was picked up for cocaine possession. Sometime later, and while in the state's witness holding area of l A County Jail, he eventually meets three guys who are

responsible for him being in this horrible predicament today. What happened was Kevin got arrested for a possession of cocaine charge, and because he was the main witness against Slim and Hondo on a murder case, they put him in with other prosecution witnesses and it's commonly called the snitch tank, which is a separate jail from the men's central jail. And while Kevin was in there, he told his cell mate Willie Battle and the guy that was and the

next cell over, Jesse Williams. He told them what actually happened, as they asked, and that's very common in jail. What are he in for? And they exchanged information, but this time it only came from Kevin. He told him what happened, and they twisted around and ran with it. And then they called the Compton Police Department and asked them if they had a murder case where the body was found by a canal they called it the canal is really

a drainage ditch. And they put him in contact with Detective Marvin Branscomb, who was not Sergeant Preston, who Kevin gave the statement to, and they convinced Branscomb that what they had to say was was true, which they said that Kevin confessed to these attempting murders and murder. They say, we got a guy on him bragging about chillings guy and sad with lady behind the ball. From being the

hatchel witnessed now being killer. So Kevin became the defendant instead of the prosecution witness, and they moved him out of the snitch tank to another part of the jail. So Kevin's transferred over to the Central Jail, and then he met a very notorious snitch named Leslie White. And I get a call from Leslie White. I've never heard of Leslie White. Leslie White says, I understand you're defending Kevin Dyke's and that he has been ratted out by

two snitches. And I said, that's exactly right. He says, well, I can help you. You come down here and I'm going to tell you all about the snitch system and how it works. Okay. So I go down to the jail. I talked to Leslie White. He tells me about how inmates get a hold of paperwork and change facts and get ahold of the detective or d A that's handling

a particular murder case. And the hows they know these unique facts, they can convince the detective or district attorney that's handling the case that this confession was a valid confession. So I said, well that sounds good. Okay, I'll put you on the witness list, Mr. White. So about a week or two later, I get the witness list from the district attorney and Leslie White is on there as a people's witness. And not only that, I get a report that says that Kevin Dike's confessed to Leslie White.

And I'm flabbergasted because I just talked to Leslie White and he was going to be a witness for Kevin. So I go down to the jail and I call out Leslie White and he's willing to come and talk to me. And I said, what do you are you a witness for the prosecution? Now he says yep. I said, well, you know that Kevin is innocent. Why are you doing what? How can you do that? And he says, well, man's got to do what he's got to do. That's what he said. I gotta be honest. My head is spinning.

And I didn't even live through this. I mean, this is Kevin. I mean, I'm so sorry that you're living this is like, this is your life we're talking about. I didn't actually believe that what they was going on was even possible. I didn't think that this stuf would hold. I'm like, what hold of? I'm an actual eye witness. These guys they don't know learning about rally or nothing about what actually happened. So I didn't really believe the people could do what they were what they were doing

to me. I had never even heard about that before. I mean, this is this is like nothing. I don't think we've ever heard a story like this before. So Steven, what happens next? When we got to court, all they had was his statement to Sergeant Preston and three snitches, and I couldn't believe that they would even want to proceed with this evidence. But they did. And just before the verdict was issued, I told Kevin and I said, now, Kevin, when you get out of here, you've got to change

your ways, be a law abiding citizen. And then used to society, and he said, yeah, okay, Mr Houser, I'm going to do that, came back guilty. We were both floored. You were since the twenty four years to life here it is now two thousand and twenty. You're still in Can you just take us back there, put us in that courtroom with you if you can. I actually could not believe the verdict. Yeah, actually the crime I don't

see I was possible. Yeah, I was after I would just I came for I gave everything they needed, all eviously car the weapons. The people from testified that I didn't attack him. People will say have like thirty three times, and he's testified I didn't attack him, and it test five that I need attack Ms Brandy. That was my

free of mother. There was nobody there, anybody. And this is something I really need to highlight here, which is that if you go in a jury box and you're presented with a case where someone's life is hanging in the balance, just like Kevin's was, and there's no evidence connected that persons at a crime except for the testimony of a snitch, you cannot vote to convict because it's crazy.

I mean, these are people who are clearly incentivized. They may not tell you that at the time, but you have to understand that the defense can never bribe a witness. That's a that's a crime punishable by long time in jail. But the government can make a deal with a snitch to reduce their charges or drop their charges in exchange for testimony, and that is the best bribe of all.

So it's the most unreliable testimony imaginable. And here you have a case where the direct evidence contradicts what the Niches were saying. The evidence showed that Kevin could not have committed this crime, and yet he ends up getting convicted under the testimony of people who were notoriously untrustworthy, and where it sent device to lie hound evidence. Where the apartments they say, oh, he's been in my family, So the government gives them money to relocate them movement apartments.

All of them end up getting reduced sings left. White end up getting out at six five me. I don't know if you remember this right back any threatened position attorney. If you don't let me back out, I'm gonna blow this whole case. You remember the other What happened was Leslie White then went on sixty minutes when he was back in again in the jail, and he showed on camera how he could work his magic and get favors from d A. And then when I saw that, I

went down and talked to Leslie White. I said, well, now I know for sure you lied in Kevin's case, and he said, yeah, I did, And I said, well, I want you to sign an affidavit that you lied in Kevin's case because Kevin deserves a new trial. And so sure enough he signed it. But instead of giving Kevin a new trial, the d A indicted him. Leslie White with a grand jury had me come in and testify and they gave Leslie White four years for perjury. They gave Kevin Dike's nothing and that's where it sat.

It's all so backwards, an upside down. And of course you know, we have two more characters that are coming up with Gesi Gordon, who's on the right side of this story, and Willie Battles. We can't leave him out. Yeah, when this uh snitch system came out thanks to Leslie White, believe it or not, g Gordon was a pointed she's a defense lawyer, she's to see now, but she was

a criminal defense lawyer front of mine. And Geesi Gordon was appointed by i think the Supreme Court to do an independent investigation on all of the snitch cases to see if justice was done. And she spent over a year on this project, being paid by the state of California. And as a result of Geese Gordon's research and investigation, a law was introduced in the legislature to require corroboration if snitch testimony is going to be used in a case.

And that happened, but they didn't do it retroactively. Am I getting that right? Because it's it always drives me nuts when we change a law of this country, and we don't do it retroactively. How could it be different now than it was before. It doesn't make sense. Didn't make any sense to me. That's why I appealed it. We went to the Apellate Court in California, then the Supreme Court, and actually when we went to the Supreme Court the first time, the law had not been changed yet.

But then we went back to the Supreme Court on another issue, and the law had been changed. And in federal court the judge actually said that Kevin might be innocent, but there's nothing I can do because this law is not retroactive or something to that effect. And I just thought that that was the most unjust result I've ever had in my whole career. Still is wow. And so if Kevin's case were tried now, uh, they wouldn't have any any evidence against him because the only incriminating evidence

was from the snitch testimony. If Kevin's case would to be tried now, they would have no evidence against him. And yet it's thirty four years later and he's I can't be this is nuts. Um. I went to the district journey with that very argument. With each new district attorney that came in, I would go talk to him, and they told me that because of his statement admitting what he did pretending to go along with what sliman Honda were doing, because of that statement, that made him guilty.

And they said, sorry, you have to present new evidence to us before we're going to recommend anything for Kevin. And I said, what's the matter with these confessions by these snitches, that's new evidence at least since the trial. Two out of three Leslie White signed an affidavit that sent him put himself in prison, and Jesse williams Uh signed a letter saying that he lied in Kevin's case. He said, no, we want some more than that. Plus, you've got one snitch that you don't have, you know,

a retraction from Willy Battle. We never had a retraction from him. And Willie Battle I tried to find, but he's probably dead. So that's where we sit. And what is the outlook now, I mean, is their hope? I think Kevin has two hopes for role and with a new d A. I thought Jackie Lacey was very progressive and I had high hopes for Kevin when she put together her Internal Innocent Project, and I met with what I thought was a very ethical, fine lawyer, and I

got a very unfavorable result. And I asked him during that hearing, I said, you know, as a human being, you know, do you really think that Kevin Dike was convicted properly fairly? He wouldn't answer. He wouldn't give me an answer. Nearly a year has gone by since we originally released this episode in September, and shortly thereafter in l A County, George Gascon was elected d A. And Steve, last time we spoke, you said that one of the only avenues left for a leaf for Kevin was that

very election victory. So you must have been really excited when it became clear that Jackie Lacy was on her way out and George Gascon was on his way in. I'm imagining you must have jumped right into action. On the first business day of that is correct, on January four, I sent a letter to George Gascon the new DA, alerting him to Kevin's situation, and I was contacted shortly

thereafter by a deputy in his conviction Integrity unit. She said that she had reviewed the case and she agreed with the former head of their Integrity Unit under Jackie Lacey that taking out all of the snitch testimony and just focusing in on Kevin's statement both to the police and what he testified to a trial, which were both consistent, that she felt that he was guilty because of what he said he shared in the criminal intent to kill

his friend Otis, which I think was not reasonable. I don't understand how a deputy district attorney can look at the facts in this case, focusing on Kevin's own testimony and come to the conclusion that he intended Otis's death, that he wanted Otis to die, or that he wanted his friend From to die or Mrs Bradley to die. Now, I From testified in court that Kevin was not a part of the assault on his person or Mrs Bradley.

For the district attorney to believe that Kevin convicted himself based on his testimony of both the murder and the attempted murders is beyond belief. For a second degree murder, there has to be criminal intent. You have to share in the intent of the stabbers in this case, Slim and Hondo to kill Otis, and there's no proof of that from Kevin's lips. The only evidence of that is from snitch testimony, which under today's law would be inadmissible. Yeah,

and with good reason. I mean, let's face it, snitch testimony for the state is almost always incentivized by leniency in the snitches charges, making that testimony as unreliable as it could be. So this deputy in gascon CiU wants to preserve this conviction, saying that Kevin's test the mon who reaches the burden of proof for criminal intent, when in reality, Kevin was essentially a hostage of Slim and

Hondo until he could finally get away. I mean, had he not gone along with everything that happened in the aftermath of Otis's death, Slim and Hondo would have been dumping both Kevin and Otis's bodies and we wouldn't even be having this conversation or know what Slim and Hondo did. So what was the end result of your discussion with Gascon's deputy. Were you able to work anything out After several back and forth conversations, she was going to bring

a motion for resentencing. This was apparently a new law where they could go back into the trial court and petitioned for a change of sentence. She said that if Kevin would agree to change his plea from murder to manslaughter, that they would go along with it, and that he could then be sentenced to whatever the maximum on manslaughter was, which is a lot less than thirty five years that

he's spent in. So we're still waiting for that. I don't know what's happened, but the district attorney that I was talking to called me and told me that there was some problem with them making this motion because some judge might deny it or she wasn't real clear on that, but that she invited me to think of a way to get around the judge having to make a decision

to get Kevin out. So I suggested, well, how about if I file another writ of habeas corpus, and if the district attorney doesn't oppose it, then the judge can grant him a new trial, and once he gets a new trial, then they can dismiss the case because they

don't have any evidence. They don't have any admissible evidence, right The only evidence they had back then was the snitch testimony, which was totally uncorroborated and therefore now inadmissible under the law that resulted from Leslie White sixty minutes and the step sequent investigation. Not to mention that Jesse Williams recanted. Leslie White took a perjury charge and four years to undo his damage to Kevin and Willie Battles is presumed dead or he might have done the same.

So are they gonna move forward with your habeous idea or are they looking for something better to hang their hat on, considering that your idea would prove that this conviction has absolutely no integrity. I'm not sure what's going to happen. It seems like that they're just waiting for the parole hearing. Right. Kevin is up for parole at the beginning of and if the d S Office does

not oppose parole, he will probably get released on parole. However, he will be on parole for the rest of his life for a crime that he did not commit, as well as having served thirty five years for a crime that he did not commit. I think that George Gascon himself has not heard the evidence in this case. Once he realizes exactly what went on in this case, I'm sure that he will see that justice is done and

Kevin will get released. That's our hope as well. And anyone in our audience who feels the same way, and I hope all of you do, can scroll down to the link in the bio. There's a petition to George Castcon to do just that. He's a good man and he's a very reasonable person. I mean, really, I honestly like to clone George. He's that kind of guy. We hope that he and others in his office can come

around to our view. Kevin would admit to anyone that he wasn't living a really honorable life at that point, but in fact, ironically it was at this moment in his life that he did something truly honorable. He went to Otis's mother and then to the police to do the right thing. Does that sound like the actions of someone possessing criminal intent? Wow? I know I needed the right teams when I went to the police and then I told the food Sin, I told the food for injury.

Even now, I don't regret during the right team because it was my friends of life and it was important for his mother to know the food would happened to a son. Maybe I wouldn't say that while I'm in jail. It cost me a lot. I've lost like seventeen family members. My mom's has spoke a few years ago and it tost me a lot, but I was still doing it even after all this time. I found ruined the last five years, so that peace to find it with God and myself. So now it's like, you know what, there's

nothing I can do about what they've done. I'm not gonna let them take what's left that I got my spirit and now my family is proud of me, even though I've never done nothing because I've shaved in my life. So I'm gonna keep pushing. I'm gonna keep you leaving. I got to That's all I got. And with that, we will now go to closing arguments as they still ring true today with justice delayed in this case, I first of all, thank you both. Turned my microphone off.

I'll leave my headphones on, close my eyes and let you both talk about whatever you want for the last few minutes of the show. Kevin, we're gonna save you for the last if that's okay. And Stephen, please just share whatever it is that's on your mind. Well, Kevin, let's hope this is another step to get you out of prison. It's been a long long road, but I won't give up ever, and Kevin over to you. I'm thankful, you know. And it's just taking me a long time.

But the last five years now and my life now still have purpose and meanings like what they've done. I oh, no deal feelings force nobody, he is what he is, the deals they need or off lost my life. I was twenty four years all I'm sitting down. I've been seen over five years. So it's like this is not for that that I can't do can I don't control it, but I won't let what they've done to me back then do something to me. Now I'm free, you know, ins I am. I'm at peace and and and even

if I die in here, I'll be at peace. Lord, I'm still for the shop and the worm. I need the right then as an adult, so my parents were proud of this's note I should do. But keep my mind focusing, Oh what's possible, what could be possible, and how to help Buzzing and for hearing opportunity, this guy family and my community where I heard them. You know,

I won't let nothing take that from me. That's all I have And I appreciate everything that you guys were doing, and I appreciate support for me, whether you're the government, whoever it can be done to help me. It is the affluence from in front of people, and they let them decided kids. So I need to replenished for what I needed if they say so, because I appreciate it.

But hey, I was worried from my life to see it from my life at the time, but I did what I believe he was the right thing, and I don't relate to Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flam. Please support your local innocence projects and go to the link in our bio to see how you can help. I'd like to thank our production team Connor Hall, Jeff Clyburne and Kevin Warns. The music on the show, as always, is by three time OSCAR nominated

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