Special Returning Guest: Erin Galloway
Matt: Welcome to Write Out Loud. We're back yet again with another episode. Another fun episode. As always, I'm joined by my The suave, sophisticated, special, stellar, and sensational Christina.
Christina: the, the alliteration. I love it.
Matt: I know you do. I know you do. And I have to play to that because I, I just love it too. But we're actually extremely excited because we are welcoming back one of our friends of the podcast, Erin Galloway, director of publicity at Berkeley Publishing. Welcome back, Erin.
Erin Galloway: Oh, thank you so much for having me again. It is a treat to be back.
Matt: Absolutely. Absolutely. So we thought that we would have you back to talk just a little bit around some of the upcoming things that you'd like to promote some of the works that are coming out and then also maybe talk just a smidge about some of the trends in publicity and like, get the word out about your, your novel.
So let's, uh, let's jump right in, shall we?
Erin Galloway: Absolutely. I mean, I think at the moment, is really working publicity wise is still some things that are going to be very familiar. Obviously, if you can get, your book out there to local newspapers, regional or national newspapers, that's always great. If you can work with your local TV or radio station. Amazing. These are sort of thought of as like your basics, the classics. What will hopefully always be there on the media landscape. Uh, and in terms of what is, currently popular, that is very much still in the book talk. Books to gram
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: which very much overlaps with my colleagues on in, the marketing team who do a lot of outreach there there's so much overlap because there's plenty of people that have a tick tock account and also have a blog or also write for a major publication or an online outlet. Even, the kind of major women's magazines their own, not only dot com side, like you're a good housekeeping. com cosmopolitan. com people. com, et cetera. Those all have their own social media avenues as well. So, for me as a publicist, it's figuring out what kind of combination of things could help my author for example, are we doing a cover reveal on people.com or today.comr are we working with those outlets to maybe do the reveal on their social media? Because, of course, the ability to share that reveal becomes exponential when you're talking about sharing it.
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: Instagram, particularly if we're talking about an author that already has a high, uh, follower count. But if you are someone who is just getting started, com probably is not going to be the place for your first cover reveal to happen, and that is okay. There are other options. Uh, and a lot of times the, the cover reveal that we all think of is very splashy. Isn't even the most important thing for a new author to do because until you've developed a following No one knows to look for your cover
Christina: Right.
Erin Galloway: it's a lot more Advantageous to work on building your audience and that can certainly be done on social media where you develop community with your readers or potential readers that you think might be interested in The books that you're writing. That can be done by contributing guest pieces to better known websites. Is that, a kind of bookish site like book riot, know, if you're writing thrillers or mysteries, maybe it's working with one of the popular, mystery blogs, like a crime reads or a criminal intent. There's so many. Avenues that you have to go down and if you have a publicist, they can help walk with you down all of those avenues or guide you,
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: know, because when we have an author who's newer and would love a cover reveal, we might not always be able to get a big outlet right away, but maybe we can work with an outlet that has a newsletter. And they really love the stunning cover image that our author has, like, is it a particularly, like, gorgeous image? Great. Maybe we can get, a newsletter that would like to include it. We've tried lots of different things, it's always a. an adventure trying to do something like that. And sometimes our point as publicists is the goal here? If the goal is to like build your pre orders, if the goal is to get recognition and attention, then we might want to try different things. For a really well established author, we're going to do a splashy cover reveal because that might be You know, net us a couple thousand pre orders immediately. I mean, I'm assuming that
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: The like get all those pre orders immediately.
I know that's true for like Nora Roberts as an example.
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: so when we're talking about an author of that, bestseller level, great. Almost anything that you do is going to be fantastic. But if you are talking about an author that's earlier in their career, Well, if they are established enough that they have a really solid audience, but they're trying to build their newsletter list, okay, we'll start really like gassing your audience
Christina: Yes.
Erin Galloway: social media.
Hey, if you subscribe to my newsletter, I'm going to do a special cover reveal. on Dex, date X, like subscribe now that can be really effective. Maybe the author, isn't as concerned about their newsletter, but really wants to do the reveal on their own social media as a way to continue building community with their own audience. Fabulous. Go for it. Maybe they're so new that they really need kind of community to pay attention to them. Okay. Well, do you have author friends that would like to help you do a reveal? Do you have a relationship with someone that runs a newsletter or you willing to trust, your publicist and have a good conversation with them about what your goals are and see if you can find a place that is reasonable for where you are in your career. Another opportunity is maybe we don't do the cover reveal. Maybe instead, what we do is an exclusive, like, first look or sneak peek, aka an exclusive excerpt,
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: we get that on a bigger site because we choose a really spicy excerpt that a larger website might like, or a particularly, like, emotional one. Does your book have to do with a mother daughter relationship? we run it around Mother's Day? Like, there's a lot of. Options if you willing to get creative and like have a discussion with your publicist.
Christina: I, I, I think something you said, I want to kind of circle back to you were talking community and especially if you're new to building that community, whether that is, reaching out to, a writer's group that you are a part of, or know, other authors that you may have interacted with exchanging some things, maybe there's somebody who is brand new to the scene at the same time, you are, exchange newsletters.
In other words, like, okay, I'll do a cover reveal in my newsletter for your book and vice versa. Let's, drum up some. But community also in the sense where, I was talking to Matt earlier about how an author today just kind of sat on threads. Hey, I'd like to go. What are the book podcasts?
I'd like to, make an appearance. And I, I was just like, Hey, I have a podcast, I'll, I'll do it. shamelessly promote ours. and she said yes right away. So it's kind of a matter of there, participating in the community,
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: your community and that. So I think you just even saying the word community sparked a ton of, things with me.
So I think that's. fantastic. The other thing I want to comment, and I wish I could remember which author it was, and it's a big name author too, and I just, it's, it's, it's completely gone at the moment, Berkeley Berkeley romance, both handles on, and I happened to be on threads at the time they may have done it on, other social media as well, but they were kind of going back and forth about this cover reveal and they weren't saying who it was. I had to go to that thread. And go through and like, what are they doing? I mean, you can really attract attention. I mean, that's something actually, know, other people can do like with a friend or something like that, or with another author, these are things that you're suggesting that any author at any level can take. And kind of look at it and go, okay, how can I do that? I'm not big. I'm not going to get the people people. com reveal, but what can I do in my community
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: will them to either my newsletter, like, I think what you said about. drawing attention to their newsletter and getting people to sign up for it with a special offering inside the newsletter.
Like you said, whether that's the cover reveal, a small excerpt. I actually had one of my authors do a an exclusive short story of a couple that like, started it all for her. And that was really huge too. So I think these are super great ideas for an, an author at any level.
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: Fantastic.
Erin Galloway: all scalable for
Christina: I think it is. And I think, that's why Matt and I love having you on is that. You have ideas that aren't just, Oh, this is the only way to do this. The things that you, you offer and let us know about what you're doing are things that, I think other authors can, can scale to as well. So yeah.
Matt: it's, it's also cool too, because we had an episode all about, uh, cooperating and not competing
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Matt: and you hit it on the head, right? If you have author friends, like lift each other up, if you, even if you don't know who this other author is, lift them up, right? If you appreciate their work or whatever, because there's enough to go around.
There's there's there's more than enough to go around.
Erin Galloway: Oh
Matt: don't ever look at other authors or other activities. They're doing is like. Competing in getting, taking away your readers. 'cause that's just not the case. So I love that. I love that advice.
Christina: I think staying on the same vein of trends, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing trends for specifically for fiction, the genre of fictions, because I know that's your area and I'm not necessarily saying, what are the editors looking for? That's not it at all. But just what are you seeing as a publicist kind of becoming the trends, being the trends?
Oh yes, we've got this here and that. Can you speak to any of that?
Erin Galloway: Yeah. It's funny because Trends like people ask all the time, like what's going to be the next thing? And I'm like, man, if I knew I would be charging so much money as a consultant, I would be richer than Midas right now. So I can never predict, but there are some. certain things that you start to pick up on, and it often starts with what comes in, like what
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: getting in on submission, because there's always something in the water.
Like, I don't know how it happens. I joke that like all the authors go and have a meeting. That's not really what's happening, but it's like there are these zeitgeisty moments where
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: things just start to bubble. And it's probably a combination of what's happening culturally, what's happening, politically what else is out there in pop culture.
And, uh, somehow all of that goes together in like this bubbling cauldron and outcome certain themes. Or subgenres or just ideas that have, know, kind of bubbled up and they've taken on a new life in one way or another rarely is something, brand new, never been seen before in fiction, like all stories have. Certain roots or tropes or conventions that we know and that's why we read them because we
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: and they are comforting, particularly in genre fiction. I'm so like, 1 easy example in recent history. This is still going on, but it really started to bubble a couple of years ago, is like female centric horror.
Christina: Oh
Erin Galloway: as a person who admittedly does not, like, pursue a lot of spooky reading, because I am, like, a wimp at heart, I remember thinking, like, what is this? What is it that has, like, female centric horror? Like, what is that really about? What's so interesting about it? And I was approaching it more from, I guess you could say, like, a sociological perspective.
Like, I was really genuinely curious, like, what speaks
Christina: yeah.
Erin Galloway: about horror? And so I started asking friends, because, I mean, in fact, most of the people in my department regularly read horror. so I started asking, like, what is it that attracts you? And I mean, a lot of people just like to be scared, fair enough. But I think once they started to say to me, Erin, it's a safe place to experience fear. I went, oh, got
Christina: Oh,
Erin Galloway: immediately I was like, yep, understood.
Christina: Oh yeah.
Erin Galloway: that I can watch, criminal minds.
Matt: Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: a safe place to watch, another person experiencing fear and perhaps the worst moments of their life. And unless you are someone that's been murdered coming out on the other side, but I don't have to experience that personally. And, being a female identifying human, like the, just the knowledge that sometimes walking outside of your own home.
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: a risk and then you think about, historically marginalized populations and the fear that they feel again just walking outside of their homes. I think there is something in horror that allows you to process that in a way that you can't in, other genres. it makes a lot of sense. And there is been more and more horror recently written, by. women about the experiences that we have. And I think those are incredible.
Some that have explored like, female friendships and the complicated nature of them. I'm thinking of authors like Rachel Harrison and Alexis Henderson, sometimes like Alexis has brought like witches in. There's all sorts of interesting ways that you can explore that. But that's like, in particular, a trend and kind of staying with the horror theme, another trend that we've experienced a lot of at Berkeley is, know, what someone recently said to me, like, cultural horror, and I thought that was a great way to put it, but really what, this Friend of mine was talking about is the idea of novelists finding ways to bring their own cultural histories into the novels that they are writing. for example, we have Nick Medina. Who writes books that are this wonderful blend of thriller and horror, like they have all that tension and that foreboding that comes with thriller and horror novels, and he also incorporates like myths and folklore from indigenous communities.
Christina: Oh wow.
Erin Galloway: Talks about the issues that are faced by Native communities today.
So, in particular, the epidemic of missing and murdered Indigenous women
Matt: Mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: of
Christina: yeah
Erin Galloway: go missing and are murdered in, like, disproportionately high, Um, numbers and whose tragedies are covered so little by the media in
Matt: Mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: to their white counterparts. So, Nick is able to explore, like, important current like this. Another author would be Amanda Jayatissa. So, Amanda's Island Witch, uh, really talks about, like, it is rooted in Sri Lankan folklore. And so that's kind of also a mix of like thriller and horror and historical. And it's really interesting because you get a whole new perspective. It's a genre you already love, if this is something you read within. But you're getting, a fresh perspective on the story and, and likely learning something that you didn't already know.
Christina: yeah.
Erin Galloway: Cáñez is another great example. Her novels The Hacienda and Vampires of El Norte, these are female centric horror, set in 19th century Mexico after the Mexican War for Independence.
And they've got like a gothic feel and, I mean, everything that she's doing, if you're reading and really getting what's happening, then you can kind of see, like, what she has set up is, like, what do the vampires represent? And I, I don't want to give too much away, can really understand, like, the incredible analogies that the author set up, and you can enjoy it just as a scary story, but you can
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: read, like, the deeper themes and context,
Christina: Yeah, and that's actually something that in previous episodes Matt and I have explored a little bit the idea that fiction, yes, can entertain and, and do what it is supposed to do,
Erin Galloway: Yes.
Christina: but it can also teach. is,
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: I have often called it the backdoor to learning and
Erin Galloway: hmm.
Christina: those books that you were just talking about, I'm like, tell me more
Matt: Mm-Hmm
Christina: I, I love the idea of being entertained at the same time as learning something that now, while I was aware of the missing and indigenous, indigenous women don't know much more than. know, this is a problem. And so to me, I'm like, that, that is a, quite a mind can take that fiction aspect.
Erin Galloway: Mm hmm.
Christina: And also teach at the same time, but it, it was actually a quote and I'm, I'm going to paraphrase because I can't remember the exact quote. But Shonda Rhimes said that if you can entertain,
Erin Galloway: Mm
Christina: you can teach
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: and I think that's, what you're speaking to with those. And I'm so happy to see that as a trend.
Erin Galloway: Mm
Christina: You know, and especially with the diversity,
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: just the, the authors that you were just talking about,
Erin Galloway: Mm
Christina: know, a, very diverse crowd.
Erin Galloway: There's such variety, not only in terms of, like, setting, but, author background. I mean, folklore, like, is so, such a rich place to
Christina: yes.
Erin Galloway: For stories.
Matt: mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: particularly because so many of these are oral tradition and if you are not part of the community that has been able to hear those stories passed down, you wouldn't be aware of them.
Christina: Right.
Erin Galloway: this is a way
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: to learn and appreciate and also honor. That particular culture's heritage. So it's very cool. And like I said, I am not the biggest scary reader because I am a wimp at heart. So now I feel the need to give you some warmer and fluffier trends.
Christina: Yes.
Matt: Sure.
Erin Galloway: one those is of course, The sports romance, because I don't think that ever goes out of
Christina: No. Nope.
Erin Galloway: it has experienced like a nice uptick particular year, which is amazing. And one thing that I think is, remains a fave is of course the hockey romance. I mean, we all love a hockey romance, which is a little bit of a joke, right? Because they're covered in padding. You don't even know what these men look like on the ice. But
Christina: true. Oh,
Erin Galloway: mean, it is a very physical sport.
It's highly competitive. I think that can be an attractive quality and a partner. so we have a really fun hockey series from Bal Cabra on that 1st book that released earlier this year is collide. And, I mean, this is like all the things you want in a book, right? It's spicy, it's a, it's got the angst, they're young and in college, they're, it's enemies to lovers. I mean, it's all the things that you want. And if you've already read that and you're like, okay, but I want more. Well, have no fear because the second book is out at the very end of January.
Matt: Nice.
Erin Galloway: also, so this is kind of an opposite subtract where it's called spiral and we have a ballerina. and a hockey player.
I mean,
Matt: Hmm.
Christina: wow.
Erin Galloway: get any better, right?
Christina: Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Erin Galloway: know, the whole fake dating starts to feel a bit more real than it should. I mean, it's what we love.
Matt: That's amazing.
Erin Galloway: like, so, so fun. And another really fun sports romance is what, well, at least I think, is our Formula 1 series by Simone Soltani. some people might be familiar with Formula 1, which is, of course, like, European, super fast, fancy race car driving. Because maybe you watch like Netflix's Drive to Survive, which has gotten quite popular. But Formula One Romance is pretty new. Like, I think we might be the first traditional publisher to have published an F1 romance.
We might, or at least close to it. So it's still quite new in terms of traditional publishing. And Simone's series is so much fun. So it, basically what I will say is, if you are a Lewis Hamilton fan, This series is for you.
Matt: Nice. Mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: I'm. And if we want to go, in, I still think, like, can be very fun and light, but, like, little bit darker, then, of course, we have monster romance.
I mean, come on. You already had Ruby
Matt: Mm-Hmm.
Erin Galloway: I, I realize that, like, Bull Moon Rising and the Ice Planet Barbarian books, like, need no introduction.
Christina: Yes.
Erin Galloway: absolutely delightful. And, I think, I think a monster romance at heart is just about the very simple story of being loved and accepted for who you are,
Christina: that is a wow.
Matt: old as time
Christina: Yeah, well that too. But yeah, no, I
Matt: Mm-Hmm?
Christina: unique perspective. I really didn't see monster romances in that way, but you're really right. After having read, Ruby's stuff, it really is just about acceptance. It's for the differences and everything.
Erin Galloway: And I
Christina: I love it.
Erin Galloway: whoever the quote unquote monster is in the story, whichever partner that may be that also helps their romantic counterpart some sort of freedom or acceptance in their own right, because they're mirrors, right, to
Christina: Right. Yeah.
Erin Galloway: I think that's just. really special which I absolutely love. And if you do like Monster Romance and you're looking for another, because I think what Ruby does beautifully is gives you like a little bit of a lighter version of that, like humor's involved, which is
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: But still plenty steamy. if you like steamy and a little lighter, then I would also recommend Lana Ferguson's Lock and Key, which is A shapeshifting Loch Ness monster falls in love with a Kelpie,
Christina: Oh, wow. Wow.
Erin Galloway: I mean,
Christina: yeah.
Erin Galloway: Good
Christina: Yes. Yes.
Erin Galloway: uh, and I just think that's what's so enjoyable about monster romance. Like, it is meant to be unapologetically, unabashedly, like, fun, sexy, entertaining. And also give you that sweet spot of feeling accepted for exactly who you are.
Christina: Yeah. And I, I also think the other thing. For me, I'm going to age myself here. I have been reading romance since I was 14. I mean, that's quite a long time.
Erin Galloway: Mm hmm.
Christina: Is actually something brand new. So to me, all these stories like you just saying, a Loch Ness monster and a Kelpie.
And I'm like, have I read a story like that before? I don't think so.
Matt: Nope.
Erin Galloway: that's what I love, we get
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: all the time with romance, and like I would be remiss if I did not talk about romantasy at least a little bit
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: so popular right now. And you know what's, kind of, I guess, funny to me as a longstanding romance reader is romantasy is not brand new.
Like, it didn't start last year.
Christina: Right.
Erin Galloway: Or the year before. romantasy has been around for a very long time, decades in fact, but we didn't use that term. I do love the term because I think it's, it is a great descriptor, uh, of what this genre is and people understand it now by using descriptor, which is fantastic.
And that is why we have descriptors like romantasy. But for, me, I'm really looking for ways to engage new readers that might not know they are romantasy readers.
Christina: Right.
Erin Galloway: And, look, if you read Sarah J. Maas, or you read Wing, and why am I blanking on the author's name?
Christina: Rebecca. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Erin Galloway: if you read those two authors, you are a romantasy reader. Now, maybe you haven't read other romantasy yet, but there's plenty of it out there for you to fall in love with. If you're a YA reader, you probably are quite familiar with romantasy because it has been popular in YA for some time. But in the adult space, if you're someone that already loves the world building of paranormal romance, Well, great.
You're probably already really well positioned to enjoy romantasy because romantasy has a lot of the tropes and the themes and the conventions that those of us who love romance and paranormal romance have. And likely fantasy,
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: all of the things that we love, like, simple examples like heroic quest,
Matt: Hmm.
Erin Galloway: attract faded mates, like all of
Christina: yeah.
Erin Galloway: lovers, all of those things are very much involved in the romantic sphere. And I think romance has that. That angst that comes with high stakes. And that's
Christina: Yes.
Erin Galloway: all love. Like, if you're a fantasy reader, you love high stakes. That's why you're reading these. And romantasy has that as well. I think something that, I love about Novels with an epic quest, a heroic journey, you get to spend a longer period of time with these characters.
You get to know them better. You feel what they are feeling. You are living this life with them That's exciting. And it's, you just want to go back over and over again, right? So we've got, some exciting romantices coming up. Just off the top of my head, we have one by Sarah Hawley called Servant of Earth.
And Sarah, folks may already know as a, fun like witchy rom com author. And this is a much, darker look at a fae kingdom. Where a human woman is not, not, uh, not planned, winds up as an indentured servant, really, in a fey kingdom. And she is put in a position where she must help a fey princess a series of trials. And That is not an easy task, and she finds herself in enormous danger, kind of caught up in an unlikely rebellion, and it is extraordinary to watch her come into her own power, and I, I think the reason that I felt so drawn to this book in particular there's a reason for her to be as strong as she is. There's a reason for her to have such incredible survival instincts because as a human, she had to scrape and scrimp just to have food. I mean, she's been half starving for years. So the idea that she's put in a place of extreme danger and literally willing to do anything to survive. Of course she is.
She's already been doing that her whole life. So her badassery feels entirely
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: And, if you want to look back, like this is the other thing that I keep telling people. has been around a long time. If
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: thinks, well, I do like a lot of what is out here, but I'm also like open to reading some other books.
And maybe you've read so much of what's currently out. You've run out of things to read. Then the books that I always tell people to go back to are Anne Bishop's Black Jewels Trilogy, which
Christina: Yeah.
Erin Galloway: Top of the heap in
Christina: Yep.
Erin Galloway: of romantasy,
Christina: Yeah. And I think,
Erin Galloway: incredible.
Christina: yeah, I think, know, something that you touched on earlier the idea that romantasy has been out there for a long time,
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: using that term romantasy actually allows. know, like you said, the crossover of fantasy readers of,
Erin Galloway: Yes.
Christina: all these different readers that didn't know that these books were out there,
Erin Galloway: Yeah.
Christina: They, it, they're, they're, they're the same. just have a new. of looking at them. And I think there's a lot of readers that, um, maybe might not have looked at these books prior because they think, Oh, this is in the romance category and it's not going to be appealing to someone that doesn't read that. But I think romantasy, it's kind of like the romantic thriller where, you know, suspense Thriller, those readers tend to have some crossover readers from suspense, thriller, mystery. And I think fantasy is one of those. You're not going to get a lot of crossover with like contemporary romance or, historical romance, some, but not the big
Erin Galloway: Yes,
Christina: that romantasy, can certainly, bring in. So, wow.
Matt: Yep.
Christina: that's quite. Quite a list, Erin. And I think Matt, I saw Matt taking notes.
Matt: Mm-Hmm. . I was jotting it all down.
Christina: those, links up there and stuff like that. Is there anything else that you're excited about that you didn't mention that, You want to get in there or?
Erin Galloway: Oh, I just have to share this tidbit. I don't know if
Christina: Okay,
Erin Galloway: kind or mean that I'm sharing it this far in advance. But I read it recently and I just have to share because it is so damn fun. We have a book coming out next summer by the wonderful Olivia Dade this book is called Zom Rom Com. Oh, one word. Zom Rom
Christina: some rough.
Erin Galloway: And it is exactly what you think it is. it is mag nificent. Like
Christina: Oh, wow.
Erin Galloway: how can you put zombies and a romance together and make it funny? Well, the answer is just have Olivia Day do it, but it is truly so special. Like I had the chance to ask her about writing it. This summer and when she said to me, like, I wanted to write something fun and
Christina: Yeah,
Erin Galloway: and funny, I was like, well, you achieved that.
Matt: Yeah.
Christina: great.
Matt: Nice
Erin Galloway: damn fun, so funny. A lot of people probably know Olivia already from writing wonderful contemporary romances and she's at the forefront of, fat positivity and romance. And, of course, we have a, full bodied heroine in this book. And I'm just so excited for people to see, like, this new paranormal series come out from her. because you can tell much fun she had writing it. And like I said, I don't know if it makes me kind or mean that I'm telling you this far in advance because it doesn't come out until August, but I can promise anybody listening that it is going to be worth the wait because I just cackled like throughout reading it.
And then when I met her in person, I wanted to tell her all the things that made me laugh. And it was just a delay. I'm really excited for readers to get their hands on that one.
Matt: That's so awesome.
Christina: good. That's, yeah, I was just gonna, Matt is gonna get them all down
Matt: Yep. We got 'em. We got 'em.
Christina: I'm sure it's probably already up for pre order, isn't it? Or is it
Erin Galloway: It should
Christina: usually?
Erin Galloway: by the time this
Christina: Yeah,
Matt: Yeah. Maybe, maybe
Christina: We'll get it up there. Whenever it comes up for pre order, we'll, we'll put the link in so people don't forget about it. cause I certainly want to read a zombie rom com.
Matt: Romcom.
Erin Galloway: Yes. So fun.
Matt: That's awesome. Well, Erin, thank you so much. I know we have, uh, we have a, a, a timeline here for you, so we wanna respect that as well. But, uh, it is a delight having you on because we learned so much and we are. Finding so many books that we get to look forward to. So thank you for sharing with us.
Uh, very, very much. We appreciate it. Absolutely.
Erin Galloway: having me. Always happy to talk books.
Matt: Well, again, thank you so much, Erin, for joining us and thanks for listening. Keep on writing. Keep on creating. Keep on sharing it with the world. We'll talk to you next time.