I’m Starting a Wrestling Company

believed in the idea. But we got so much feedback that we're gonna deep dive into the plan and the philosophy behind it, and I'm gonna share way more with you that I'm probably even comfortable sharing, minus the financials, and we're gonna get it started right now. Welcome to another episode of Wrestling with Freddie. Now stuffing up to the mic. The host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie Prince June. Yeah, all right, you guys. So a few months ago I was on the m M A Hour with Ariel Helwani,

who I like very much. I think he sells the sport of mixed martial arts very well and he's randomly a huge wrestling fan and if you go back a few episodes, he was a guest on here. He's a really good part of our family over here. And he talked about being at the actual Montreal screw Job with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Because he is a France Canadian. We were having a conversation and I had never really spoken publicly about it before, but it had been a

dream of mine for a long time. And and uh, I'll tell you kind of how that dream came to pass right now, because you can watch all the arial stuff on his channel. Nobody really knows this, but I almost became a showrunner for another wrestling federation whose name I will not say. A friend of mine who financed the company asked me to come help them try and get a TV deal. So I was happy to help. I love wrestling. I love the person who had this

promoters back and was financing the company. I have a lot of I have a lot of respect for this person, and so when they asked me for something, which is very rare, it's an easy yes for me. There's someone I liked doing favors for, and I don't feel they asked enough. So I came in, no contract, no money, no anything, and saw their product, saw the good stuff, saw what I thought I could improve, and had another conversation with the finance. Here I met the promoter. By

the way, it was an old school promoter. The promoter was very professional and polite to me, look me in the eye when we shook hands, that kind of stuff, and then started selling me on on their their brand. And it was an oversell too to my eyeball anyway, and there was no need to oversell it. I feel that people should always be very straightforward when dealing with with other professionals in this in the same industry, that

being show business. Not that I'm a wrestling expert, but I do you know what quality television and quality film is.

So I tried to relax him and put him in ease and and well now you know it's a guy, and and tell him that, uh that I was, you know, a fan of the product and all this stuff, and I mentioned where I thought I could help um who I knew that I thought would come in and be friendly to us and help improve you know, everything from our on camera stuff to putting some credibility on commentating

to training, to to all kinds of things. Not that I would train, but I knew, you know, some of the best wrestling trainers in the business, because I treated them with respect, the travels of the world that have trained a lot of people. So and I wanted the good people to work, So I didn't push on anything. I knew I was there just for story stuff, and and so I started breaking it down. And then I started being very honest about how Hollywood perceives the wrestling business.

And it's not favorable, and it hasn't been ripple in a very long time, or they would have pulled a ton more professional wrestlers and lured them with with money and Beverly Hills and and girls named Beverly and everything and guy's name. Whatever you desire is here in Hollywood. They can steal your way. They've done it countless times. John Cena used to talk smack about the Rock for being a part timer, and then Hollywood said, oh, I'm sorry, you talked crap about the biggest star in the world.

How would you like to be one as well? Yes, yes I would, And he pieced out. So it's it's a foul temptress. But it can be. It could be a beautiful temptress at the same time if you already

know who you are. So we talked about what I thought needed to be done for TV based on conversations that I've already had with executives, and I said, look, I don't have the connections that I had in the nineties when I was hot shit, but but the relationships that I that I had, I'm there's only one producer I've worked with that I really wouldn't work with again, I have solid relationships. I'm always pro alway is on time, always knew my ship, never was a drug addict, so

I didn't cause any problems. There was no reason for people not to dig me. So the people who had advanced up and we're in positions of authority now to say yes, some of them were my friends or at least acquaintances. So I said, here's the three places that I could take us to, and he said, I have a friend who maybe getting a promotion at this other place as well. I said, cool, if it happens, let's

let's go there too. So we set up the three meetings and all three and I want to write a pilot for them as I say, look, you have You're gonna have to have something. They're gonna want to see something because they don't know wrestling. Now, well we don't. We don't really write it like that. We don't. We don't write the w Wilay I said, I don't have to write at the w W E way. I just want to show them a format so they can understand how long the show is, how long the matches are,

what the back states. He goes, well, you can just pitch it. You're a great picture. And I think he did like me for that, but he really just wanted my name to help sell his show, which we found out down the room. So we go into the first meeting and it was I believe the first one was at the c W. And the gentleman that I knew

there was Mark Petowitz. See I'm comfortable saying. And Mark was one of the original execs on Buffy the Vampire Slayer like way back in the day, and he runs the CW and his business model is what keeps the CW afloat. It's how they can afford to make all their DC shows, whether you think they're good or not. They have a very He came from their business affairs department. So he was a lawyer negotiating contracts, which is not usually a guy that I like. But he knows that

I'm very straight up about it. And they have a crazy contract structure there as well. But those actors are still making way more than wrestlers, so as far as budget and what these these wrestlers would be paid, because it wouldn't have be a license deal like US, a licensed Monday Night Raw. They don't own Monday Night Raw, so this would still be on the cheap for them, an affordable show. They said, we don't want to script, so we go in, we pitch it, and the promoter

takes over the pitch. I'm about maybe four minutes in and he and he and he takes over the pitch, and so I stopped talking. It doesn't work if we're both talking at the same time. And he goes and he goes, and it's about fifteen minutes in and I see, I see Mark shaking. Is not shaking his head, but it's an internal head shake. I've normally had twenty plus years.

And I see the other exacts, and I know when they're tuning out on a pitch because I've had plenty of bad ones myself, and so he finally finishes up. And the last thing you wanna have happened at the end of the pitch is say well, thank you, we'll be in touch. That means that sucks and we don't want it. It doesn't mean your idea sucks. It just means they think it sucks. If they ask questions, there's obviously interest. So I already know where this is going.

And the meeting stops, and right away Mark and this other guy I don't remember his name in stereo, they say, well, thank you very much, we'll be in touch. And I shake my head and we're walking out and Mark puts a hand on my shoulder and he says, hey, come back in here after you say goodbye if you can. I say, yeah, okay, So I go and I talked to the sales group right and uh, I say, all right, you know the next time, and and he's even apologizing, sorry, I kind of I barreled on there and you were

doing great. He did not care if I was doing great. I think he just was looking for a door to get opened so he could try to sell a show. Right, they leave, I go back in and Mark goes, what the hell was that? He actually didn't cuss. He rarely cusses. He goes, what was that, Freddy? I say, I don't know, man, it wasn't the meeting that I thought it was gonna be. I said, I have a different pitch if you want to hear what I think wrestling could be. Although I

know you guys aren't in the market for this. He goes, well, listen, we don't want to buy a wrestling show, but let me let me see what you got. Say all right. So we go back and the financier, the one who called me, who me for help. I said, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. So and so is not going to do that again. Uh, please don't leave, Please come to the next pitch. I say, I'm not going anywhere. Don't worry.

I made a commitment work good. So I have a good conversation or what I think was a good conversation with the promoter and uh, I say, look, I'm not trying. I'm very directed him. I say, I'm not trying to steal your your show. I don't have a contract. I get no money if we sell this, none, not a

not a single dollar. I just want to put my friend in a position for this type of wrestling to succeed because the ku genera can be because I believe in this type of wrestling, so stupid and uh he says, yeah, okay, you know or all on the same. So the next place won't take a pitch without a script, which is what I thought. So I write one up and I try to give even the wrestlers that I can't fit into the show wrestling a moment backstage, a little time

to shine. Right without telling me before we go into the pitch, dude rewrites everything that I did to make it fit more what he wants. Now you can look at this two ways. This is his baby. It's his baby, and here comes this jerk with his ideas and what he feels are major changes. Even though I stayed true to every single character. I spoke with every wrestler before I wrote for them, and noticed I didn't say before

I made changes because I made zero. I worked with what I was given because I didn't know that I wasn't being paid. It was a favor. So you show me what you think your best self is, and that's what I'm gonna work with. I'm not going to change the thing and I didn't, so the whole script gets rewritten. We go and we have the pitch and he lets me pitch, which was really cool and it's a great pitch. We killed it. They seem actually into it, which I

was surprised by. And this woman says, you know, Freddie called me afterwards. So I call her and she says, Hey, we're actually excited about this. I'm excited to read your your pilot. I said, yeah, quit. I go. Look, it's just a temporary thing, just so you can kind of see what the flavors are and how the show goorks goes okay. So I get a call that night from her,

which is weird. It would always be an email, and it would never be that night unless it was like, oh my god, we love this and we have to buy it, in which case it would be a phone call because they don't want to avoid my lawyer cost the more money. So I say hello, and I know who it is, and she goes, Freddy, did you write this? I said yeah. She goes, and we have a good enough relationship. She goes, I really didn't respond to this at all, and I was like, really, what about this? This?

So and so monologue. I thought that was a promo we call it, but monologue they called. I go. I thought that would be right up your alley because there's no there's no monologue at all. I did say monologue. Be goes, there's no monologues at all, Like, what do you mean? Send send me the script because now I'm like, I already know what's happened, and everything has changed every single page. And I called my friend back. I got yed. This old man is trying to sabotage me. I don't

know why. I don't have a contract with him. You don't what I don't. I was doing a favor, but clearly he does not want my help. So I'm gonna step back. I go, if you want to read my pilot, I'll send it to you. She goes, don't even send it to me. I'm not buying this show, said, all right. So it's the third meeting that's coming up, and I text dude to UH to talk about the pitch, and I don't hear back. And then Uh. I texted him again, it's about a week out. I don't hear back. Third

fourth fit text nothing. I text the boss the finance here and I say, hey, what's going on. So I've texted homeboy a few times. I haven't heard anything back our meetings in like two days or this was a text that I wrote. And I get a phone call back and she says, uh, Freddy, I'm really sorry. I thought he told me he was gonna he was gonna talk to you, but he doesn't. He doesn't want to work with you, and he's really uncomfortable, and so we're just gonna walk away. And I said, let me ask

you something. Did his friend get the promotion that he was talking about? And it's dead client on her end of the phone, and I literally almost said the name. I literally go, this is insane. I said, I was doing this for free, and now that he doesn't need me to get a meeting at a TV network because his friends there, he's just kicking me out. And she goes, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Da da da dada. I go, it's all right. I go, I'm not mad at you. I go, you know, it wasn't It wasn't

a job anyway. Best of luck, good luck. And they actually got a TV deal without any of my assistants whatsoever. They didn't need it. I didn't have anger when it was over because it was just more weird and the kind of guy he was was so old school and and transparent that you know, I wasn't trying to smash on the guy before or after the fact, because it's just a different were from different generations, and neither one

of us is going to change. So instead of getting angry, all that energy started, Like I don't know, man, It's like, do you know when you're in a dream and you know you're about to wake up and reality starts to slip into the context of the dream, so all of a sudden, whatever you were dreaming feels much more attainable. Does that make sense to anyone out there at all?

It's happened to me a million times in my life, and I feel like it's one of the main reasons why I've never not accomplished a goal that I set my mind to. Every everything I wanted to do in Hollywood, I did everything I wanted to do. In wrestling, I did. I'm not even done with jiu jitsu, but every goal I said in jiu jitsu, I've accomplished so far and that journey will never in thank God. So I started

dreaming about wrestling. I started dreaming about men's wrestling, women's wrestling bodies smashing together, or as Biggie would say, medi men, media manly men slapping meet against one another. That's a Biggie would say. Shout out to Biggie, I'd love you. So I start having this dream, and I remember my godfather, Bob Wall Rest in peace. He said, dreams are what happens when other people are making plans, and that philosophy is one of the main reasons. Now it's one of

many reasons that I've been able to find success. I don't spend too much time dreaming. The moment I have the dream and I know it's something I want, I start planning. So the first thing I did was call my accountant and I said, Hey, I'm gonna try to figure out how much money I need to uh to start a wrestling promotion, and I'm gonna hit you back. And he said, you better go get a job because I'm not gonna let you spend any of the money that you saved up over the years for wrestling promotion.

And I respect my accountant. I called my manager, I called my agent. I said, yo, man, I want to go back to work, and they said, great, Why And I told my manager the reason why you started laughing at me. You said, you're absolutely insane. I said, I know, man as, but I'll have fun doing it. I only want to work with, you know, good people. We don't have to be, you know, desperate for stuff. But let people know that I'm that I'm hungry. And I had

never worked for Netflix before. I didn't really know anyone over there. So I had like a video general meeting with them and it went well, and they offered me this romantic comedy. Of course, it's it's always a romantic comedy if it's for me, if it's if I audition for your movie it's an action movie, or like I want to be a tough guy or something like that. If it's Sweetie sweet Cakes, then they're like, oh, man, give that crap to Freddie. So I read this script

and it's charming as all hell. It's a Latino family, and you gotta remember that's always been something I've been insecure about because my father was half so I'm only a quarter, right, So I was never really fully except did I felt by a lot of the Latino community. I think I've touched on this before. It used to be called the n c l A or the National Council for Larrassa, and now it's something different. But screw

those guys straight up. I told them I didn't speak Spanish on purpose, just to hear what they would say about me and my father, and they said it all baby. So anytime I get an opportunity like that, and it isn't often, at least a lot of times, I'll change the name after the fact, Like on his name was not Cole Ortiz. Coal is not a Latino name. His name was like Cole McGuire and they're like, oh, look, we hired Freddie and this will look like we're a

diverse show. Ha ha. It's Ortiz And that's what Hollywood does. That's diversity for them. Everyone's white until you hire someone that's not and then you change the name. So anyway, um, I take this this joy. I meet with the director, female director who I just Her name is Gabriella, and I just fell in love with her. Man. She gave me some of the Granted I hadn't worked in forever, so notes weren't fresh in my head, but some of the things she said to me just unlocked a ton

of ship. I got to work with this great actress, Amy Garcia. You guys know her from that show Lucifer. She plays the nerd. She basically plays Shakira in this movie, and it's like sexy and the opposite of her character on Lucifer. She's just a stone assassin and she's partners with a j who we've had on this show. They're too crazy Puerto Rican girls and their writing partners, and I swear in ten years they're going to be running the business. I'm doing this movie and it's making me

fall in love with acting again. And as hungry as I was getting to act again, it never outweighed the desire to start the promotion. So long winded story. Notice I didn't say long story short, because that was not short. Here's the plan. I was talking with Sam Roberts, who has a lovely podcast as well, the Sam Roberts Show last year Professional in the Damn Business, and he mentioned g c W. He goes, you have to watch it. They tell a story every single show and it's great.

He goes, they're gonna ask some stuff that that you don't vibe with, and they're gonna have some stuff that you love, I know it go okay. So I watch a g c W show and sure enough I see a death match, and I'm freaking like, it's just too much. It was too much blood for me, right, too much, and there's room for blood and wrestling. I believe that it's a it's a big, big part. And it wasn't every match in g c W, which was smart, but

I was not. I was not prepared. I watched the rest of the show and I thought they did a great job. And I started watching other shows, older shows, old Ring of Honor. A started listening to Jim Cornett and his philosophies on wrestling, started listening to other promoters and people in the business and their philosophies on wrestling. I started watching what other wrestlers were trying to do. I started asking everyone I knew in the business questions.

Then I started looking at arenas locally here and and what it would cost a rhom. And then as I saw what my opportunities would be in this business, as there would be more of them after I did the Netflix one, I started saying, well, I can accelerate the plan, or I could keep the plan as it is, do a couple more of these and own the space, which I believe right now is the plan that I'm going to execute. I've already have a commercial realtor that I

know and love. She's already looking at properties for me. I would love to have a all time home for this. The plan was originally a two year plan. Now I should have the money for a three year plan, meaning it doesn't have to make money for three years before I'm like, yo, man, i gotta go do another day movie. You have to be in Scooby, almost said Mother Treuk, and have to be in Scooby Part seven or some

crap like that to keep inflouid. So so I started looking for properties, and then social media did what social media does, which is like feeding frenzy. Right, It's like baiting the water. And there's a lot of of wrestling instagram pages and websites out there that do dirt sheets and wrestling news and things like that, and they need content, and so they picked up on this and put it out and then all of a sudden, all these like indie wrestlers and indie refs and indie musicians who have

done wrestling stuff all started reaching out. And before I get into this, let me say something. Whether you were being real with me or whether you were trying to troll and crap upon me, thank you. Some of you wrote some stuff that was like you took the time to not only say, hey, man, I would love to come and be a part, but here's some wrestlers that I respect and I think you would too. And for you to take the time to do that, and it's not just one cat that did that. That's the most

beautiful part of the wrestling community to me. I love that. That's what acting used to be. I think I may have told this story, but I did a movie with Peter side Quest. I did a movie with Peter Falk, who was amazing. People know him as Columbo, but this guy was doing Cassavetti's movies in the seventies. Man is just a gangster actor. And he was talking to me one time on on the ride to work. We would take the same van to work every day as in

New York City. We were both staying at the Essex House hotel, and he would make me buy him his true one hundred cigarettes at like two o'clock in the morning, and the guy would just light one off the other as it was going out, and he would run scenes with me over and over. I was a naive, inexperienced actor, and he was investing so much time in me, so I'd buy the this cat's cigarettes how a light in court for the guy. He was given me film school one oh one in three months, and I was getting

four years of an education, right. But he used to tell me about how it used to be. How freddy are He said, Uh, do you and your acting class, you know, you get together? You do this? Do you do that? It was always like a family for me and and Nick and John. He's talking about these legends and I had to look him in the face and just be like, nah, man, it's it's not like that. It's cutthroat and everybody's ready to kill each other for a job. And he looked so disappointed. I never saw

him long for the past. He was a life through the windshield guy, at least that's what he tried to impart on me. Always look forward, Freddie, always look forward. And so when I see that in the wrestling world, and I've met so many cool cats, man, so many of you are awesome. And for the ones that talk trash for real, thank you like that motivates me way more than people say. And you can do it like I would have much rather say some have someone say

you suck. That will never happen that way. When it does, you just have to sit in that like it's there every week on TV, and you have to know that everything you said was dead wrong. That to me has always been way more fun for both parties, I think, because then at least you're getting to watch more wrestling. So thank you that said, I'm not hiring anyone yet.

I'm not hiring anyone yet. So if your friends ask you if this story is true, you tell him yes, and then you send them the link to this episode so that you don't have to have the thirty minute thirty minute explanation as to win. So plan on having this thing up and running in eighteen months. That's my plan. There's a way for me to get it done sooner, but it requires me going to Australia for three months

and leaving my family. So I'm not a big fan of of of doing that, um, regardless of of how kind and respectful the studio is, unless I was in a position where I had to. I love being a dad it's the reason I walked away from the business in the first place. However, there are moments where I'm like, you know what they could come for the summer. You know, we could get it done and then I can get these cats in the ring. So my goal. I don't know how long I want the show to be yet.

I think I want a two hour show at least in the beginning. I doubt I'll have a TV contract right away. It's very difficult to maintain ownership and get a TV deal in the beginning like that, if you're established, they can come in and license you or by a portion of you, but you'll still be in control. So if I started off as live shows and I film it. By the way, if you want to know if I'm serious, I already purchased a used like kit that was an arena kit used even used these mugs is expensive, but

I want this to look legit. So it's literally sitting in my storage unit because my man was like, Yo, this dude selling it at a really good price if you want to get in on this. So I did. I think I want to start it as a two hour show. I wanted my storylines based in reality. I want to give the women and the men equal time on the roster, and then the goal is to bring the show to television. And I mentioned this on Arials podcast, but it's important to me, so I'm gonna say it again.

And I wanted to be a SAG show, And what that means is I wanted to be a union show, which would mean each and every single one of my wrestlers would be a member of the Screen Actors Guild and be entitled to all of UH insurance and medical benefits and retirement plans that that entails. Now, I will say this, the Screen Actors Guild is not the best union, all right. There's a reason every c b A they lose more and more. Actors should not be in charge

of their own union. Most actors are far too sensitive to be able to negotiate, or to even be able to hire an insensitive lawyer that's willing to be cut throat. Producers, on the other hand, don't seem to have that issue. So although I love my man do let Hill and his representation, I've been asked to run many a time, and I don't think that would go well. It would

turn into a TLC match very quickly. Um, but I'll always vote for Mr Hill, even though you talk trash on me about on Monday and I raw that was cold blooded. But anyway, so the goal is to get them all unionized, right, which is a big deal, which is something I I would support all wrestlers to go after.

It won't happen under Vince's rule, but I believe when the w w E cells, that should be very first thing that every single wrestler should have on the forefront of their of their goal list is unionized day one. That it should be a walkout the day, the day they sell the company, the day they sell it to whoever new ownership is. Every wrestler should be like, good luck.

We want unionization. And I'm telling you right now. And the only reason I'm saying this is because I had a conversation back in the day and I know it to be true. Now I don't know if it would still be in effect, but I'll tell you the conversation

I had, um rest in peace. Bernie Martin. He was a United States Marine and he was a local I don't remember which which part of the Teamsters union he uh he repped, but he was a Teamster and he was my driver, my wife's driver, a bunch brother actors that he was just the best, one of the best men I knew. And I was talking to him one night about professional wrestling, and uh, he asked if they were unionized. Then I said no. He said, I want

to introduce your buddy of my named John. I didn't know John was the head of the Teamsters union at the time. Um, he may still be. I don't know if he's alive. This is a very long time, over a decade ago. And uh, he said, you should talk to some of the wrestlers there and let them know that if they did have interest in unionizing, Teamsters would support that and absorb them bring them in, which would

be insane. Now that's good for the teamsters, right, because they get more union dudes, and it's a group of workers that would never compete for any job that a teamster has, so there's no risk for the teamsters. It's all reward. The wrestler's reward is the benefits of insurance, health, medical, that kind of stuff, so they don't have to be self insured anymore. Right, And then they also get power

in negotiation. A teamster lawyer does not have time, nor are they impressed by any executive anywhere, any suit on the planet, like they just not have name. So the wrestlers I talked to all told me the same thing. That's never gonna happen. I said, why, They said, because Triple hs wouldn't go for it, and uh and they're right.

And literally that's what every single wrestler said. So that's why I think when the sale comes and then it literally is someone else's property, that's when wrestlers need to be like, hey, let's start thinking about our future and union. So I hope you guys do, but if you don't, this could maybe be a model one day, you know, three, four or five years, six years from now where they go, holy crap, these efforts are actually pulled that off. Man,

that's crazy. So that's I mean, that's the big of it. I'm I'm legit. I got a I got an email on Monday, yesterday. This is a Tuesday, we're recording on Monday. I got an email with three listings that I was already one. Two of them were nonsense, but one of them actually looked pretty good. It was a no at the end of the day, but it actually looked pretty good. So I'm looking in different parts of town. I don't have a name yet. It's not gonna be the Federation's

I want it to be reality based. I'd call it West Coast Wrestling, but there's already a w c W, so I can't do that. But I'll figure something out. I'm down to hear your thoughts. If you guys can come up with a cool name, then uh then yeah, of course I say that, and then in the Instagram post that everybody like cool Scooby Scooby Dooby Wrestling. No, I want it based in reality. So while you may think that witty joke is a good joke, I would remind you that Ricky Gervais said wit is the lowest

form of human um. So bite your tongue or break your finger before you crack that joke. Now even more people do it. Um. But yeah, serious for real though, if you think you have a cool name for it, I'll give you credit. I might even give you a couple of bucks for it. You can what you claim the domain name and hold it hostage shroke from me. Um. But yeah, So that's that's the goal. I want women's and men's wrestling. I want the storyline is based in reality.

I want my wrestlers to be unionized performers, and yeah, man, I just want to make good wrestling. I don't. I don't. It's not a dream, it's a plan and it will be a reality. My only thing is how quickly can I pull it off and at what sacrifice. I've said this before. Wrestling requires a hundred percent of you to do it right, regardless of what side of the camera you're on. It's one of the reasons I wouldn't go back to w w WE. I couldn't give him a

hundred percent. Can't travel all over. But if I had a local show in Los Angeles in an office that I could go to every day, and I would have a booker because I cannot book to save my life. I can, but I can really write, and I can connect with people, and I can pull good performances out of people when their bosses didn't think that performance was within them before. I know I can do that because I've seen it happen. I know what my strengths are.

Damn well, know what I suck at. I was told that I suck at enough, So yeah, so that's that's the plan. I hope you guys support it. I hope you dig it. If you don't, you can be just as vocal because, like I said, that stuff motivates me too. I want to make you eat it, even if you don't want to admit it. Later on you can go silent. It's just as satisfying and seeing you go hey man, right on, I was wrong, you pulled that off. So so yeah. So that's that's the episode today. No past,

no no present, only the future. And I think the future for wrestling is bright. I think this is a about to be a huge rebirth for wrestling once this, especially once the sale goes through and they will find a buyer for it and they will sell the company, And once that happens, I think wrestling is really going to explode and just take on a whole new life.

And I hope it goes back more old school because art usually go moves in cycles, right in a circle, and it's constantly evolving, but eventually it has to get back to an idea that existed before that that inspires a new move. It happens with painting, with movies, with fashion, with sculpture, it happens with comedy. It happens with wrestling too. So that's today's episode. I appreciate you guys listening. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Until

then on behalf of myself my awesome producer Alexis. But thank you for listening. We'll see you next week. Right here, I'm wrestling with Fredday Peece. This has been a production of I Hearts Michael to podcast Network. For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H m hm